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6/6/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:33 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items that caught my eye. Please feel free to post any other news items that you think might interest readers.

First news item

NYT opinion editor James Bennet says paper solicited op-ed from Tom Cotton because of his tweets:

When asked about the senator’s claim that the Times approached him to write the op-ed, Bennet admitted that the opinion page had seen Cotton’s tweets on the subject and “we did ask if he could stand up that argument. I’m not sure we suggested that topic to him but we did invite the piece.”

Bennet didn’t read the op-ed before publication:

When asked why he did not personally read Cotton’s column before publishing it, Bennet said it was “another part of the process that broke down.” He added, “I should have been involved in signing off on the piece… I should have read it and signed off.”

Second news item

Justifying one, not the other: George Floyd protests called for social distancing, protests to reopen economy did not:

…some commentators, inside and outside of public health, are questioning the wisdom of these anti-racist protests, concerned they will increase the spread of COVID-19 and worsen existing racial, ethnic and economic inequities in COVID-19 deaths. Some even compare these risks to those posed by the anti-lockdown protests against COVID-19 regulations.

As public health professionals with expertise in infectious disease epidemiology, social epidemiology and public health and clinical practice, we categorically reject these false equivalencies.

Protesters are in the streets demonstrating against police brutality and white supremacy not because they are indifferent to the risk of COVID-19. They are doing what they can to protect themselves and their communities precisely because the institutions that are supposed to protect and serve them have been killing black people in this country far longer than the coronavirus has.

Third news item

Reporting from protest in Utah:

Fourth news item

GOP convention woes:

…Now, after a high-stakes and public feud with Democratic officials in a state he won four years ago, Mr. Trump and the Republican National Committee are moving to largely shift convention proceedings, including the president’s acceptance speech on the final night, out of Charlotte. After a call with the R.N.C., state chairmen officially told delegates that they should hold off on purchasing airline tickets to Charlotte for the late-August event.

How the convention unraveled two years after Charlotte was selected is the story of an uneasy partnership between Republican officials and mostly Democratic leaders in North Carolina; a president who coveted a coronation and delivered an unyielding imperative to the state’s governor; and the extraordinary disruption from a global pandemic that transformed public life in the country. Once it became clear that health concerns over the coronavirus threatened the possibility of a full-throated celebration for the president, the fragile alliance buckled under the weight of partisan acrimony.

Fifth news item

Barr begs to differ, says he didn’t give order to clear protesters:

Attorney General William Barr says law enforcement officers were already moving to push back protesters from a park in front of the White House when he arrived there Monday evening, and he says he did not give a command to disperse the crowd, though he supported the decision.

Barr insisted there was no connection between the heavy-handed crackdown on the protesters and Trump’s walk soon after to St. John’s Church. The attorney general said he had learned in the afternoon that Trump wanted to go outside, and said that when he went to the White House in the evening, he learned of the president’s intended destination.

Sixth news item

Door closing on hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment?:

major clinical trial showed the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine had no benefit for patients hospitalized with Covid-19, likely closing the door to the use of the highly publicized medicine in the sickest patients — a use for which it was widely prescribed as the pandemic hit the U.S.

The results come from a study called RECOVERY, funded by the U.K. government, that sought to randomly assign large numbers of patients to multiple potential treatments in the country’s National Health Service. The goal was to rapidly get answers as to what worked and what didn’t.

“Today’s preliminary results from the RECOVERY trial are quite clear – hydroxychloroquine does not reduce the risk of death among hospitalized patients with this new disease,” University of Oxford epidemiologist Martin Landray, one of the study’s leaders, said in a statement. “This result should change medical practice worldwide and demonstrates the importance of large, randomized trials to inform decisions about both the efficacy and the safety of treatments.”

Seventh news item

Commander of the Pacific Air Forces tells us what he’s thinking about. Gen. CQ Brown, Jr. is expected to be confirmed as the next chief of staff of the Air Force. He will be the first black service chief in U.S. history:

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

222 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (0feb77)

  2. Fighting fascism on the anniversary of D-Day, the sixth of June:

    Now that most of NYC’s retailers have either already been looted, or have been preemptively boarded up and emptied of merchandise until to ride out the unrest, the same looters who relied on more strategic tactics like working in crews and using drivers and lookouts are reportedly targeting wealthy suburbs like Connecticut and New Jersey.

    On the advice of state police, retail outlets along I-95 (a critical vehicular artery connecting Westchester and southern Connecticut and the city) are closing and boarding up their stores on Saturday to try and discourage looters, and the potentially deadly confrontations with police that might ensue.

    Clinton Crossing Premium Outlets will be closed this weekend after police detected social media posts calling for looters to converge at the premium outlets in Clinton, Conn.“

    Here’s the money shot:

    “Meanwhile, a candidate for Baltimore City Council told looters and rioters to “take that mess to Towson” (a suburban area) urging them to light fires and loot stores in the suburbs because Baltimore is still “traumatized” from the Freddie Grey riots.“

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/retail-outlets-along-i-95-close-saturday-looters-target-suburbs

    Democratic city politicians causing and enabling riots all across the country while the media blames cops and systemic racism caused by…..being white and conservative I guess.

    You have to wonder how this will play in suburbs among people who have voted strictly blue down the line for years. Wil they open their eyes or not?
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    harkin (9c4571)

  3. Major props to that cat in Utah, a state I’ve spent the last 10 years in doing work.

    It only took three decades for ‘Do The Right Thing’ to go from starting a riot, to just think, chill and address the actual problem peacefully.

    Hopefully he’ll be supported and not vilified as a traitor.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  4. First item: Weak suck NYT.

    The sunlight is disinfecting…

    The FBI’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign has taken a beating in the last six months. Late last year, the Justice Department’s inspector general found the bureau’s application to eavesdrop on a former aide to then-candidate Donald Trump’s campaign was riddled with factual errors and omissions. The surveillance court that approved that warrant has barred the agents who submitted it from appearing before it. And last month the Justice Department dropped its case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

    On Wednesday, things got worse. In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said that all of the irregularities and short cuts exposed in recent Justice Department reviews were kept from him when he signed the warrant applications into that campaign aide, Carter Page. Had he known about them at the time, he said, he would have never signed them.

    Rosenstein even reluctantly acknowledged that his own August 2017 memo specifying the parameters of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation was deeply flawed.

    By August 2017, it was clear that there was no support for “the whole concept that the campaign was colluding with the Russians,” said Senator Lindsey Graham at the hearing. “There was no there there.”

    “I agree with that general statement,” Rosenstein responded.

    In normal times this would be a bombshell. Rosenstein’s memo listed the alleged crimes that Mueller’s team was investigating. Rosenstein said that Mueller’s office helped him draft it. This reflects poorly on Rosenstein. As the most senior Justice Department official overseeing the Mueller investigation, his job was to check its work. He didn’t.

    This also reflects poorly on the FBI. The bureau knew, for example, that the opposition research dossier on which it relied to seek the Page warrant was not reliable. By January 2017, the dossier’s primary source had told FBI agents that its most explosive claims were rumor. The former British spy who helped prepare it was fired as an FBI source after the bureau learned he had been speaking to reporters. The Justice Department’s inspector general concluded that none of the unique information in the dossier was corroborated.

    It doesn’t stop there. Rosenstein also acknowledged that the FBI never shared its draft memo from January 2017 to close the counter-intelligence investigation into Flynn. That investigation was kept open after former FBI Director James Comey discovered Flynn’s calls with Russia’s ambassador at the end of 2016. While such communications would be unusual for most private citizens, the calls were routine for an incoming national security adviser.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-03/why-did-fbi-keep-rod-rosenstein-in-dark-about-trump-and-russia

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  5. 3. Heading a little south of Salt Lake to bury my mother. I will be monitoring the situation.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  6. Haiku. Very sorry to hear that.

    Condolences to family and friends.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  7. My condolences, Haiku.

    nk (1d9030)

  8. R.I.P. to your mom Colonel. Much respect.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  9. thanks, gentlemen.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  10. “Meanwhile, a candidate for Baltimore City Council told looters and rioters to “take that mess to Towson” (a suburban area) urging them to light fires and loot stores in the suburbs because Baltimore is still “traumatized” from the Freddie Grey riots.“

    Just like Coleman Young telling his soon to be constituents in 1973 to take that mess north of 8 Mile Road.

    On the way back from getting gas last Tuesday, I spotted 2 carloads of “yoots” perched at a turnout to a forest preserve with an overlook of Gurnee Mills mall.

    urbanleftbehind (f9304e)

  11. RIP Haiku’s Mom.

    urbanleftbehind (f9304e)

  12. George Soros’ quiet overhaul of the U.S. justice system

    While America’s political kingmakers inject their millions into high-profile presidential and congressional contests, Democratic mega-donor George Soros has directed his wealth into an under-the-radar 2016 campaign to advance one of the progressive movement’s core goals — reshaping the American justice system.

    The billionaire financier has channeled more than $3 million into seven local district-attorney campaigns in six states over the past year — a sum that exceeds the total spent on the 2016 presidential campaign by all but a handful of rival super-donors.“

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519
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    Related – 2016:

    “ ST. LOUIS, Mo. – Mega-donor George Soros (right), who funded the ongoing Ferguson protests, has waded into the St. Louis City circuit attorney election, funding a television ad for state Rep. Kim Gardner (left). Gardner will compete with three others in the primary election Aug. 2.

    At least one ad funded by by Soros’ Safety and Justice committee has been created for Gardner. The ad focuses on Gardner’s plan to focus on mental health care for non-violent offenders, increase public accountability and to crack down on gang violence.

    “Together, we can make St. Louis safe by being smart and tough on crime by reforming a broken system,” she says in the video.”

    https://themissouritimes.com/soros-gets-involved-in-st-louis-circuit-attorney-race/
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    Also related:

    Eric Schmitt
    @Eric_Schmitt
    [state AG]
    ·
    In a stunning development, our office has learned that every single one of the St. Louis looters and rioters arrested were released back onto the streets by local prosecutor Kim Gardner.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  13. Off topic, but I see that Colonial Williamburg is finally going to reopen and it’s always been on my list of places to visit. I plan on going the first week of July for about 3 days. Any suggestions or recommendations and that includes Jamestown settlement and any other local suggestions?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  14. Rob – if you haven’t seen this, enjoy.

    https://youtu.be/qTy3uQFsirk

    We watched this film in 7th grade history and I’ve never forgotten it.

    I looked for a copy for years (before the Internet) and finally found a vhs copy.

    Narrated by David Brinkley with William Devane speaking for Wallace Gusler, who I think is still alive.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  15. “Stuff that won’t make the national newscast.”

    Guy was arrested right away, unlike the cops in Boston, which the police tried to lie about, and who were cheered by their co-workers.

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1269322620316442625

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  16. Haiku, I’m sorry about your mom.

    NJRob, it’s been a long time since I visited, but IIRC, the tour was good and had lots of little facts that you wouldn’t get just by wandering, and you should have a meal on site, it’s touristy and overpriced, but still interesting.

    Nic (896fdf)

  17. @4 That’s an opinion piece from a guy who writes an ongoing campaign of pro-Trump opinion pieces.

    Nic (896fdf)

  18. Haiku, my condolences.

    Kishnevi (e257c8)

  19. My sympathies to you and your family, Col. Haiku.

    Dana (0feb77)

  20. Rob, Jamestown is almost in walking distance of W-burg.

    Norfolk and Newport News are just down the road. Petersburg is about an hour west, and Pamplin Park is worth the visit
    https://pamplinpark.org/

    Kishnevi (e257c8)

  21. Colonel, I offer you my prayers for your family and for the repose of your Mother’s soul. May she rest in peace.

    felipe (023cc9)

  22. Colonel, we are here
    to offer our sympathies.
    God bless you and yours.

    Gryph (08c844)

  23. I’ve added another news item to the post: a powerful statement by Gen. CQ Brown, Jr., who is expected to be confirmed as the next chief of staff of the Air Force. He will be the first black service chief in U.S. history:

    Dana (0feb77)

  24. Re #15, they talk funny in Fa Rivuh. May that jerk Epsteinate himself.

    urbanleftbehind (f9304e)

  25. “I’ve added another news item to the post: a powerful statement by Gen. CQ Brown, Jr., who is expected to be confirmed as the next chief of staff of the Air Force. He will be the first black service chief in U.S. history:“

    Emotional stuff, if I was with him I would say as much as I agree with him he really missed a chance to condemn the violence destroying lives and property all over the country.
    _

    And since you’re adding videos, perhaps you’ll consider adding this from Candace Owens. She completely agrees that the death of George Floyd demands justice, but she’s also disgusted that Floyd is now being perceived as a hero:

    She’s being vilified as a co*n, Uncle Tom, self-hating Black merely for venturing to speak truth:

    Candace Owens
    @RealCandaceO

    Confession: #GeorgeFloyd is neither a martyr or a hero. But I hope his family gets justice.

    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1268280610818101248?s=20
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  26. Condolences, Haiku.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  27. Sorry for the loss of your mother, Colonel. My condolences.

    Leviticus (3508bf)

  28. Not everyone agrees with you on why she’s wrong
    https://mobile.twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1268957108139163651

    Kishnevi (e257c8)

  29. “ As the Times tells its reporters, a story needs at least two corroborations to make sure it ‘stands up’. Here’s the second: Tom Cotton’s staff have told Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, that this op-ed, like Cotton’s previous op-eds for the Times, received a ‘rigorous’ and ‘onerous’ fact-checking. Three drafts went back and forth.

    So who’s telling the truth? The management, for whom this is only the latest in a series of unprofessional foul-ups — or The Spectator’s source and Tom Cotton’s staff?

    The member of Cotton’s staff who worked with Rubenstein on the edits told The Spectator this morning that while he emailed only with Rubenstein, there were sticking points in the process when it was necessary for Rubenstein to consult with unnamed Times colleagues. These points were all resolved. The inference, Cotton’s staffer tells The Spectator, is that Rubenstein was not, as the Times now claims, working alone or unsupervised:

    ‘What they have attempted to do to a young editor who is doing his job, and also doing it well, is a disgrace.’”

    https://spectator.us/sources-new-york-times-truth-tom-cotton-op-ed/

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    The Times lying?

    Who’d a thunk it?
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  30. “Not everyone agrees with you on why she’s wrong“

    I post a video of her saying Floyd’s death is an outrage but nevertheless points out a that a career criminal who holds a pistol to the belly of a pregnant woman in a home invasion is not a hero.

    You counter with her being slammed by a kool-ade drinker for pointing out DeBlasio’s hypocrisy.

    Got it.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  31. https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1268280610818101248?s=20
    _
    harkin (9c4571) — 6/6/2020 @ 11:58 am

    Excellllent comment and link, harkin. You should place it on Patterico’s post Food for thought on a Friday.

    felipe (023cc9)

  32. I liked this reply:

    Patriot J Fire
    @sirhottest
    Jun 3
    Replying to
    @RealCandaceO
    Damn ni**a you don’t have to be the brutal all the time lmfao

    [asterisks mine]

    nk (1d9030)

  33. Candice’s video is a giant straw man argument.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  34. Kishnevi (e257c8) — 6/6/2020 @ 12:15 pm

    If I were a survivor of The Shoah, I slap the carp out of Hen Mazzig, for missing Owens point.

    felipe (023cc9)

  35. Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 12:40 pm

    You are mistaken. Watch it again. But until you do, please explain what you think her her argument is and how it is a strawman.

    felipe (023cc9)

  36. “please explain what you think her her argument is and how it is a strawman.”

    Most people are not saying Floyd was a hero or a martyr. They are saying that he was a victim.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  37. Most people are not saying Floyd was a hero or a martyr. They are saying that he was a victim.
    Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:00 pm

    You said that, Candace didn’t. Watch it again and pay attention, please.

    felipe (023cc9)

  38. “You said that, Candace didn’t. Watch it again and pay attention, please.”

    Why don’t you tell me what you think she’s saying, because that’s my take.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  39. You did not state what you think her argument is. Please do this first, then you can explain why that argument is a strawman.

    felipe (023cc9)

  40. “You did not state what you think her argument is. Please do this first, then you can explain why that argument is a strawman.”

    Yes I did.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  41. 37. You don’t have to explicitly say Floyd was a hero or martyr in order to make him out as one.

    Gryph (08c844)

  42. Thank you for asking for help, I will be happy to offer it.

    Candace’s argument is that the Black Community up the only community that uplifts its worst element – the criminal element, while simultaneously pulling down the highest elements in their community, thereby lowering the overall quality of the group. She contends that the Black Community is the only one who puts a criminal on a T-shirt to hold them up as a martyr.

    All are free to debate whether she is right or not, but her observations correspond to reality.

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:07 pm

    OK, I was expecting too much from you. Forgive me for not believing that:

    Most people are not saying Floyd was a hero or a martyr. They are saying that he was a victim.

    Was what you thought her argument to be. But listen to that. Does that really sounf like what Candace was saying?

    felipe (023cc9)

  44. “uplifts its worst element”

    makes him a hero

    “puts a criminal on a T-shirt to hold them up as a martyr.”

    makes him a martyr.

    I think these are strawman arguments because most people aren’t uplifiting him or putting him on tshirts. I think that most people are upset because a cop kneeled on his neck for 8 and a half minutes until he died.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  45. Let me fix a typo:

    Candace’s argument is that the Black Community up[is] the only community…

    felipe (023cc9)

  46. “OK, I was expecting too much from you. Forgive me for not believing that”

    Always with the personal attacks from you guys.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  47. I am disappointed in you. You are trolling in that, instead of providing your arguments in defense of your position, you have asked me to supply you with an argument at which you can lazily hammer away.

    You have not yet put forth what you think Candace’s argument is. Until you, do, I must look on your efforts as bad faith.

    felipe (023cc9)

  48. Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:23 pm

    I am surprised that you think an apology is an attack. Is day also night to you?

    felipe (023cc9)

  49. I think these are strawman arguments because most people aren’t uplifiting him or putting him on tshirts. I think that most people are upset because a cop kneeled on his neck for 8 and a half minutes until he died.

    Ditto. Candace Owens is talking out of her assarguing with herselftrying to squeeze out some publicity for herself out of this mess… nah, she’s talking out of her ass.

    nk (1d9030)

  50. “You have not yet put forth what you think Candace’s argument is. Until you, do, I must look on your efforts as bad faith.”

    I agree with you on her argument. You used more words but the gist was the same. I think it’s a strawman. I explained why.

    “I am surprised that you think an apology is an attack. ”

    You’re ridiculous.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  51. Always with the personal attacks from you guys.
    Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:23 pm

    Let us both set aside our differences for a moment. Let me ask you an honest question. Yuo say “you guys,” In whose company do you put me? By “company” I refer to all the other commenters on this site. I would be very interested in your “judgement of horseflesh.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  52. I like Coach Ahmad and General Brown, and I don’t believe Barr.
    I share Jonah’s irritation about politicized epidemiologists who give a thumbs up to attending protests but advise that church services stay closed.

    Now, I don’t begrudge anybody for believing that the fight against racism or police brutality is important. But this “argument” rests on some preposterous assumptions.
    Frieden, the former head of the CDC, is very concerned about public trust. Me too. But you know what erodes public trust in people like Frieden? When they say that you’re a fool or monster who will get people killed for wanting to go to church or keep your business open but you’re a hero when you join a protest they approve of.
    Second, the whole idea that these protests will solve “systemic racism” or police misconduct is a form of magical thinking. Let’s assume that there is legislation that can solve these problems that stem from human nature for all time. How many more days of protest are necessary to get them? If they go on for another week, will Trump be more likely to sign the legislation? How about another month? Will that do the trick? How long do they have to go on for, how much germ spreading for justice, has to occur before what the epidemiologists were saying becomes true again?
    Frieden and these other medical experts know a lot more than I do about diseases, but they know less than a taste tester at a lead paint factory about the nature of politics if they think this is a chance for a moonshot cure to the problems of race in America.

    Paul Montagu (190800)

  53. I think these are strawman arguments because most people aren’t uplifiting him or putting him on tshirts. I think that most people are upset because a cop kneeled on his neck for 8 and a half minutes until he died.

    nk (1d9030) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:32 pm

    I am surprised at you, nk, all of those things are true, but are not what Candace argues.

    felipe (023cc9)

  54. Chauvin probably thought that Floyd was some worthless throwaway that nobody should care about, too.

    nk (1d9030)

  55. You’re ridiculous.
    Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:35 pm

    Thank you for your honesty. There would, indeed, be something wrong at this site if everyone agreed on the same thing. Because of the two of us, at least, there will be no echo chamber here.

    felipe (023cc9)

  56. Barr insisted there was no connection between the heavy-handed crackdown on the protesters and Trump’s walk soon after to St. John’s Church. The attorney general said he had learned in the afternoon that Trump wanted to go outside, and said that when he went to the White House in the evening, he learned of the president’s intended destination.

    There is NO evidence supporting a “heavy handed Crackdown” of anyone. No one was injured. Tear gas wasn’t used. The rioters REFUSED to leave the area to make way for the President of the USA, and were pushed out. Again and again the Main Stream Media has lied and pushed a PROPAGANDA LINE to insinuate Trump did something wrong by walking across to the Church, when he did everything right.

    Again where are facts? Who were the protesters? Give us names, organizations. What were they protesting? Where were they? How MANY Were there? Why did they refuse to leave the area when asked? Why were they committing violence per the Park Police? And curfew was i 15 minutes, so why didn’t they leave anyway?

    No answers or reporters investigating, just insane rhetoric about how they were “Peace Protesters” who were “tear gassed” and “Forced to Leave” for a “Photo Op”. Just repeated anti-Trump rhetoric. Anyone wanting to know what really happened is still in the dark.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  57. nk (1d9030) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:42 pm

    I confess that I thought precisely that of one of my siblings at one time in my life, that is, until my Guardian Angel smacked me down Big Time, at The Lord’s command. I won’t be doing that again, to anyone. Ever!

    felipe (023cc9)

  58. “I am surprised that you think an apology is an attack. Is day also night to you?”

    This is not an apology, as I will show by example.

    “Yuo say “you guys,” In whose company do you put me? ”

    I apologize for lumping you together with other disingenuous posters. You are uniquely disingenuous.

    Davethulhu (bb0f4a)

  59. But then what are all protests about? Floyd George’s killers are in jail. Those who abetted him have been charged as accessories. There was no cover-up.

    The Media tells us “Black lives matter” Ok. So what? Why is that the occasion for riots? Again, what SPECIFIC action is being requested in this “Protests”? What is Trump supposed to do SPECIFICALLY?

    Again, all we get rhetoric. And vague complaints of “systematic racism”? Which is what, EXACTLY? And people just accept all this lunacy. As far as I can tell, the Left is just having a temper tantrum, and we’re all supposed to go “There, there, its OK. Here’s a lollipop aka more money

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  60. Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:53 pm

    Oh, brother. I was right: I expect too much from you.

    felipe (023cc9)

  61. My deepest sympathies, and prayers that your mother rests in peace. Col H.

    Matador (0284e8)

  62. US Park Police said using “tear gas” in a statement was a “mistake.” It just used the term again.
    A US Park Police spokesperson said Friday in an interview it was a “mistake” to insist in a statement on Tuesday that the agency didn’t use tear gas the day before in a Washington, DC, park to disperse a crowd ahead of President Donald Trump’s photo op, explicitly noting that pepper balls shot by officials irritate the eyes and cause tears.
    ……
    …… Delgado’s call to me Friday was an attempt to clear up the statement the Park Police released Tuesday, the day after reporters on the scene outside the White House said officers used tear gas on peaceful protesters. That statement, also from Monahan, said no tear gas was used by any federal force present, but that the Park Police itself “employed smoke canisters and pepper balls.”

    “I’m not going to say that pepper balls don’t irritate you,” Delgado said about the Tuesday statement, noting they contain capsicum, an irritant derived from pepper plants. “I’m not saying it’s not a tear gas, but I’m just saying we use a pepper ball that shoots a powder.”

    On Friday, Delgado maintained their original statement was accurate as it relates to the Park Police: “No tear gas was used by USPP officers.” US Park Police used only those nonlethal weapons as law enforcement forcibly pushed peaceful protesters away from the White House. In fact, he said — as he has before — that his agency doesn’t carry tear gases known as CN, even though canisters of all of them were found on the scene. As for CS, the agency doesn’t carry the specific type found on the Square, but it does carry CS in general.
    ……..
    A distinction without a difference.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  63. If I were a survivor of The Shoah, I slap the carp out of Hen Mazzig, for missing Owens point.

    You missed Mazzig’s point, I think.

    Owens was saying that Chauvin’s killing of Floyd was just as bad as…DiBlasio’s enforcement of lockdown orders on Jewish communities that willfully ignored those orders.

    At best, she was using Floyd’s death as an excuse to take a potshots at DiBlasio.

    Mazzig’s family BTW were survivors of the Farhud.

    Kishnevi (694a21)

  64. Barr insisted there was no connection between the heavy-handed crackdown on the protesters and Trump’s walk soon after to St. John’s Church.

    Barr isn’t believable, and neither is your comment that no one was injured and there was no tear gas.

    Paul Montagu (190800)

  65. I think you’re right. Thanks for the explanation, Kish. My Family survived the Spanish Inquisition by escaping to the area of Mexico.

    felipe (023cc9)

  66. NJ Rob,

    I took my kids yearly in the early 2000s, for about the same time as you are planning. I would suggest a full day for Duke of Gloucester Street and vicinity, which is the main avenue. If you imbibe, don’t miss Josiah Chownings Tavern. Get yourself a salt mug of Old Stitch, an authentic, colonial brown ale, made exclusively for CW. Even if no indoor available, they have a great patio with occasional Saturday evening period live music.

    Then one day each in Jamestown and Yorktown via the well signed Colonial Parkway. Jamestown has two attractions: The Settlement is a re-creation, a living history museum. If you have kids, there are sometimes activities like scraping deer hide, digging out canoe among others. The Fort is the actual site where settlers are buried and there is a ongoing archaelogical dig.

    https://historicjamestowne.org/visit/plan-your-visit/fort-site/

    In Yorktown, the Battlefield National Park is a must. There is also a cool little beach, shops and a historic area including the Carrot Tree restaurant, once the subject of a Patterico.com post back during the Obama government shutdown.

    There used to be an “Historic Triangle” Ticket that got you unlimited access to all attractions at all three sites, not sure if it still exists.

    And if that is not enough, Busch Gardens (awesome coasters!) and Water Country USA are a 5 minute drive from CW.

    Have fun!

    Matador (0284e8)

  67. Of course, by “family,” I mean my ancestors.

    felipe (023cc9)

  68. @57 rcocean -Here’s an eyewitness account, complete with pictures:
    No law enforcement agency admits to using tear gas Monday, but tear gas canisters were found at the scene
    …….
    As of Thursday evening, US Park Police, Arlington Police, DC Metro Police and the Secret Service have all denied using any kind of tear gas in Lafayette Square Monday evening.

    But federal law enforcement did launch tear gas Monday evening outside Lafayette Park, and WUSA9 crews witnessed it.

    Here’s a first-person perspective of what WUSA9 reporter Nathan Baca saw himself:
    …….
    We witnessed canisters venting out green-colored gas. After watching the line of US Park Police and Secret Service march south on 17th Street past us, we went back to the intersection of H and 17th where we found canisters scattered on the street.
    ……..
    I took one canister labeled as holding OC gas pellets. I handed WUSA9’s Darren Haynes a canister labeled as holding CS projectiles.

    Thursday morning, after denials from the White House and federal agencies that any tear gas was used, we discovered what that SPEDE-HEAT CS label meant: artificial tear gas was inside.

    We showed our canisters to military bomb disposal expert Brian Castner, who works with Amnesty International:

    “That Spede-Heat one, it’s a cartridge that has a little bit of propellant in the back,” Castner said. “It’s got a bunch of tear gas upfront and you fire it from a launcher so it goes a certain distance. I believe that one is rated to about 150 yards, so it goes fairly far and its job is to spread tear gas around a crowd.”
    ……
    So who fired these canisters?

    US Park Police says it was not them, issuing this statement: “USPP officers and other assisting law enforcement partners did not use tear gas or OC Skat Shells to close the area at Lafayette Park.”

    Neither protesters nor our crews witnessed DC National Guard leave Lafayette Park during the protest.
    Arlington Police who assisted them on 16th Street denies using canisters.

    DC Metro Police denies assisting Park Police Monday at Lafayette Park at all.

    And the US Secret Service denied using any gas or spray Monday in a statement to WUSA9 Thursday evening.

    But federal law enforcement did launch tear gas Monday evening outside Lafayette Park.

    We watched them do it, we suffered the effects, we picked up evidence and we are pressing for answers.
    ……
    It must have been the demonstrators-they gassed themselves!

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  69. A subject that I have not heard discussed anywhere to date…. the potential problem with late counting of ballots. I support absentee and mail voting. I have not seen any real evidence of fraud with it. What I do think could pose a tremendous worry is the counting of votes well past election day. I know California and other states do this but let’s consider what might happen when more states adopt this in the future. Swing states.

    The likelihood of fraud has got to be far greater in close swing-state elections where ballots are still circulating for a week or more after election night. It can mean hundreds of thousands of votes floating around the postal system. Perhaps millions in a large state.

    It is not that much of a burden to expect mail-in votes to arrive by election day. We need to really think about allowing ballots to be returned for so long a period. It increases suspicion and is asking for trouble.

    Besides…. it is damn irritating to wait a week or more for results when other states seem to finish it on election night just fine.

    noel (4d3313)

  70. “You missed Mazzig’s point, I think.

    Owens was saying that Chauvin’s killing of Floyd was just as bad as…DiBlasio’s enforcement of lockdown orders on Jewish communities that willfully ignored those orders.“
    _

    How can anyone come to this conclusion?

    Here is her exact tweet:

    Candace Owens
    @RealCandaceO
    ·
    I’m so old, I remember when Bill DeBlasio attacked the Jewish community for gathering at a funeral because it was “unsafe” and against social distancing.

    If only Jewish people could learn to scream racism, block traffic, and defy police while burying their loved ones…
    __

    She’s comparing allowing massive crowds to do civil disobedience to NOT allowing members of a religious congregation (in this case Jews) to simply attend a funeral with no marches, no blocking traffic, no civil disobedience.

    Are there really people here this weak at reading comprehension?
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  71. Btw – here’s a reply to Mazzig from a fellow Jew:

    EJE
    @sanfran_972
    ·
    Jews are attacked, harassed & recently murdered, but no one marched for us except other Jews. Only conservative black leaders condemned these antisemitic attacks btw, while both black & other DemocRATs actually implied we deserved it. #WalkAwayFromDemocrats #jexit #jexodus

    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  72. A ‘misclassification error’ made the May unemployment rate look better than it is. Here’s what happened.

    When the U.S. government’s official jobs report for May came out on Friday, it included a note at the bottom saying there had been a major “error” indicating that the unemployment rate likely should be higher than the widely reported 13.3 percent rate.
    The special note said that if this “misclassification error” had not occurred, the “overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported,” meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May. But that would still be an improvement from an unemployment rate of about 19.7 percent for April, applying the same standards.
    …….
    ……. The BLS admitted that some people who should have been classified as “temporarily unemployed” during the shutdown were instead misclassified as employed but “absent” from work for “other reasons.”

    The “other reason” category is normally used for people on vacation, serving jury duty or taking leave to care for a child or relative. These are typically situations where the worker decides to take leave. But in this unusual pandemic circumstance, the “other reason” category was applied to some people staying at home and waiting to be called back.

    This problem started in March when there was a big jump in people claiming they were temporarily “absent” from work for “other reasons”…….
    …..
    Right. A 3 month “miscalculation error.” Reminds me of Trump’s opinion of unemployment numbers he didn’t like:

    “Unemployment rate only dropped because more people are out of labor force & have stopped looking for work. Not a real recovery, phony numbers”…….“Unemployment is a totally phony number.”…..“ They show those phony statistics where we are 5.4 percent unemployment. The real number, I saw a number that could be 42 percent, believe it or not.”……“The number is not reflective. I have seen numbers of 24 percent. I saw a number of 42 percent unemployment. … That number is so false.”…. “Nobody has jobs. … It is not a real economy. It is a phony set of numbers. They cooked the books.”……. “Look again, you hear these phony jobs numbers? People that gave up looking for jobs? They are considered employed.”…… “The numbers are phony. These are all phony numbers. Numbers given to politicians to look good. These are phony numbers.”…… “You hear a 5 percent unemployment rate. It’s such a phony number. That number was put in for presidents and for politicians so that they look good to the people.”…… “The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.”

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  73. So, wait, the Charlotte city government states publicly that their decision to allow the RNC event narrowly overcame CONTENT-BASED objections? Is that a basic violation or at least 3 first amendment rights?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. She’s comparing allowing massive crowds to do civil disobedience to NOT allowing members of a religious congregation (in this case Jews) to simply attend a funeral with no marches, no blocking traffic, no civil disobedience.

    Are there really people here this weak at reading comprehension?
    _
    harkin (9c4571) — 6/6/2020 @ 3:25 pm

    Harkin, Candace was contrasting the two reactions. The Black community’s reaction vs the Jewish community’s reaction. I agree that with Kish that Candace’s comment was a pot-shot at DiBlasio, with which Nazzig took umbrage. But I disagree with Kish on what Candace was saying. I believe She was pointing out how intolerant the State could be towards a law-abiding group while being so tolerating of the violence from another. She could have made the point more effectively, perhaps, because it can be perceived as in just the way Kish perceived it.

    My objection to Mazzig’s comment was due to the fact that I felt he had missed her point and went with the no one hurt us that way schtick when actually, the Jews have been horrifically harmed far worse. His argument is strange in that I could see how a person would use it as justification for their indifference, not for their solidarity.

    If Mazzig thought what Kish expressed, then I, too, can see his point. But Mazzig’s choice of words, I thought could have been beter. He might have better said, “we know what it is to endure murder at the hands of the state!”

    That is why I would have slapped the carp out of him. He had a truly great rebuttal, but blew it.

    felipe (023cc9)

  75. Barr insisted there was no connection between the heavy-handed crackdown on the protesters and Trump’s walk soon after to St. John’s Church. The attorney general said he had learned in the afternoon that Trump wanted to go outside, and said that when he went to the White House in the evening, he learned of the president’s intended destination.

    Given the general lack of coordination in the WH, and the President’s demonstrated willfulness, it is not impossible that Trump said “I wanna walk to the church. Make it happen!” and the Secret Service made it happen. Or worse, Trump’s private security ordered it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  76. Of course, Colin Powell had the Chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs, but was never Army Chief.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. Jews are attacked, harassed & recently murdered, but no one marched for us except other Jews. Only conservative black leaders condemned these antisemitic attacks btw, while both black & other DemocRATs actually implied we deserved it. #WalkAwayFromDemocrats #jexit #jexodus
    __ _
    harkin (9c4571) — 6/6/2020 @ 3:33 pm

    That is a better response.

    felipe (023cc9)

  78. @70 Noel-
    Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks
    ……
    The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank, has been studying voter fraud for years in order to provide support for more restrictive voting laws such as voter ID. The most recent report has an attention-grabbing headline: “Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America.” They admit that the report isn’t comprehensive because it doesn’t capture cases that aren’t investigated or prosecuted. Yet, on the basis of that report they argue that there is serious voter fraud in America.

    Heritage makes their full database available, so we were able to look into the cases of voter fraud that they claim represent rampant illegal activity. ……. Most of their categories, such as false voter registration or ballot petition fraud, can occur regardless of whether a state has implemented vote-by-mail.
    ……..
    The following table lists the five states that have been using vote-by-mail prior to 2018. We looked at their fraud cases from the Heritage sample to see how many were of a type that vote-by-mail systems might be more vulnerable to and how many votes were affected. Our conclusion, from Heritage’s data: There is surprisingly little voter fraud and not nearly enough to justify blocking vote-by-mail systems in a pandemic.
    …….
    The above chart refutes the contention that mail-in ballot systems are rife with fraud in several ways. First, note the small number of voter fraud cases overall. Next, note that a subset of those cases involve types of fraud to which mail-in ballot systems would be especially susceptible. Next, look at the time periods covered by these data. In Oregon, the first state to adopt a universal vote-by-mail system, the Heritage researchers had to cover a period of 19 years in order to find 15 cases of voter fraud! Less than one case a year hardly qualifies as rampant voter fraud.

    But perhaps the most revealing column is the one listing the number of fraudulent votes attempted by mail. Republicans would have you believe that vote fraud is widespread enough to affect elections. But the fraud uncovered by the Heritage study is inconsequential. What has been uncovered in these five vote-by-mail states is on the individual level and not on an organized level. ……

    Of course, there are instances of large-scale vote fraud. The most famous one occurred in the 9th congressional district of North Carolina in the 2018 election cycle where political operatives for the Republican congressional candidate illegally collected absentee ballots. They were caught and convicted. The election was overturned and a new one held in which the Democratic candidate, Dan McCready, won.
    …….
    When there are large number of mail-in ballots, it does take a l g time to count-in California the registrar has up to a month to certify an election. And this study from Stanford shows neutral partisan benefit tas a result of voting by mail. In fact, the push for voting by mail was started by Republicans as part of their GOTV. Apparently they in favor of it before they were against it.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  79. That was a powerful statement by Gen. Brown. I was moved.

    felipe (023cc9)

  80. Candace Owens
    @RealCandaceO

    I think she’d have more support if she got to the fracking point in less than 30 minutes.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. Most people are not saying Floyd was a hero or a martyr. They are saying that he was a victim.
    Davethulhu (bb0f4a) — 6/6/2020 @ 1:00 pm

    He was a repeat assh0le. He didn’t deserve death, but he contributed to it several different ways. You could say he was a victim, but so was Lee Harvey Oswald.

    The officer was also a repeat assh0le, and allowing him to continue under color of authority was inexcusable. Not sure about the rookies he was supposedly training (and again, what’s up with that?).

    The riots and heated demonstrations are more than just this though. A lot of pent up rage about racist cops, and a lot of pent up rage about the last few months in general.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  82. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/6/2020 @ 4:10 pm

    When you’re right, Kevin M, you’re right. Can you imagine it if had been a comment on this site? So many would have bailed, on her first digression.

    felipe (023cc9)

  83. Barr should man up and admit he was responsible and say “Yes, we used tear gas, and the next time there are protests threatening the White House, it will be a lot worse.”

    But that will never happen. Both Trump and Barr are cowards, to afraid of the consequences of making any decision, let alone a tough one. That’s why Tom Cotton won’t get his wish. The buck only stops in this White House when the music stops.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  84. “ Harkin, Candace was contrasting the two reactions. The Black community’s reaction vs the Jewish community’s reaction.”

    Sigh. That was only to make her point that the blatant double standard was actually even more egregious.

    Once again, her words:

    I’m so old, I remember when Bill DeBlasio attacked the Jewish community for gathering at a funeral because it was “unsafe” and against social distancing…….

    She’s CORRECTLY pointing out DeBlasio sic’d cops on Jews for merely attending a funeral.

    She continues:

    If only Jewish people could learn to scream racism, block traffic, and defy police while burying their loved ones…

    She’s CORRECTLY pointing out that DeBlasio caved to a much larger group acting much more disobediently because politics.

    I’m still at a total loss how anyone could come to the conclusion that:

    Chauvin’s killing of Floyd was just as bad as…DiBlasio’s enforcement of lockdown orders on Jewish communities that willfully ignored those orders.”

    I’m pretty sure if Owens thought DeBlasio’s enforcement of the lockdown on Jews was as bad as Chauvin’s killing of Floyd, that she’d be recommending murder charges.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  85. Matador (0284e8) — 6/6/2020 @ 2:47 pm

    Thank you. Awesome recommendations.

    NJRob (553bc4)

  86. Sigh. That was only to make her point that the blatant double standard was actually even more egregious.

    harkin (9c4571) — 6/6/2020 @ 4:32 pm

    Harkin, I agree with you. I said she could have made her point more effectively. She should have strarted with “Double standard? I’m old enough to remember…” Od something like that.

    felipe (023cc9)

  87. Should be:

    “I’m still at a total loss how anyone could come to the conclusion that Owens was saying:”
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  88. Colonel Haiku,

    I extend my condolences to you regarding the passing of your mother. Will she be buried in Springville, as your other family member was?

    norcal (a5428a)

  89. “ Harkin, I agree with you. I said she could have made her point more effectively. She should have strarted with “Double standard? I’m old enough to remember…” Od something like that.”

    I guess.

    It doesn’t matter. She made a great point and someone inserted a completely unrelated post (the Mazzig idiocy) in an effort to marginalize her and muddy the issue. They then piled on with a ridiculous smear

    The only thing missing was “This is CNN”.

    The best one can ask for is to watch her original video about George Floyd and the black community.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  90. The buck only stops in this White House when the music stops.

    The buck only stops in this White House when it gets to Trump’s pocket.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  91. Kevin M, you are on fire tonight. Heh.

    felipe (023cc9)

  92. Chainsaw-wielding racist gets boosted by a top Trump aide as race protests sweep the nation
    President Donald Trump and his allies for years have amplified racist messages on Twitter while simultaneously reaching out to black and Hispanic voters, a dissonant balancing act that’s now rocking the GOP amid nationwide racial-justice protests.

    The two competing forces collided Saturday on the Twitter feed of Trump campaign senior adviser Mercedes Schlapp, when she boosted a tweet that lauded a man in Texas in a viral video as he yelled the n-word and wielded a chainsaw to chase away anti-racism demonstrators.

    After POLITICO reached out to her and the campaign Saturday morning, Schlapp then retweeted another account that posted a version of the video that muted the racist slur. After this story published, she removed both her retweets and issued a written apology Saturday evening.
    ……..
    ….. On one hand, Schlapp favorably promoted a man spewing anti-black racism and on the other she urged black people to vote for Trump just three days prior in an online campaign discussion on race. In that setting, she attacked Joe Biden’s tough-on-crime past while eliding Trump’s past record and rhetoric.
    ……..
    In Schlapp’s case, she retweeted a quoted tweet of the viral video that had been viewed about 7.5 million times on Twitter as of Saturday afternoon. The video originated in McAllen, Texas, where demonstrators had gathered downtown, only to be confronted by a man with a chainsaw that he revved at them as they fled.“Go home!” yells the man, who was arrested Friday. “Don’t let those f—— n—— out there fool you!”

    ………A pro-Trump account from Texas, though, lauded the assailant on Twitter and said he is “a Mexican business owner.” Another pro-Trump account, called Latino Townhall, approvingly quote-tweeted the post Friday night and exclaimed: “That’s how to do it.”

    Hours later, Schlapp retweeted that post. Schlapp, who is married to the prominent head of the American Conservative Union that hosts the popular CPAC conference, later retweeted it from another account that censored the racist comment but wrote the protesters had said “f— the police.” There is no evidence the demonstrators said that.

    The man in Texas, identified as Daniel Peña by local press, exposed a little-discussed issue among Latinos: anti-black racism. The McAllen police department on Saturday confirmed Pena’s ethnicity as “White/Hispanic.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  93. ‘thulu is on a fine troll today.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. A subject that I have not heard discussed anywhere to date…. the potential problem with late counting of ballots. I support absentee and mail voting. I have not seen any real evidence of fraud with it.

    The problem is not in the mail ballots, but in how they are distributed. In some states (like mine) the vote has to request a mail ballot, and this can be done on a web site or by mail. The chances for organized fraud are small (there is always the helping-the-aged thing and such). In other states (like Colorado) they mail ballots to the last-known address of each voter. While it depends on how old their data is, obviously a sizable percentage will have moved, and THOSE ballots might be fraudulently cast by an organization, especially in the age of “ballot harvesting.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. Marine Corps bars public display of Confederate flag on installations
    ……
    “The Confederate battle flag has all too often been co-opted by violent extremist and racist groups whose divisive beliefs have no place in our Corps,” the Marine Corps said in a social media post Friday.

    “This presents a threat to our core values, unit cohesion, security, and good order and discipline,” the post continued. “This must be addressed.”

    As a result, a new MARADMIN message instructs Marine Corps commanders across the entire service to “identify and remove” displays of the Confederate battle flag on Marine bases. This applies to bumper stickers, clothing, mugs, posters, flags and other items depicting the Confederate battle flag in public and work spaces on Marine Corps installations.

    Exceptions include works of art or historical displays where the flag is depicted but is not the “main focus of the work,” state flags and license plates that include images of the Confederate flag, and Confederate soldiers grave sites.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  96. Gonna rename Fort Hood?

    nk (1d9030)

  97. I wonder how this will sit with the Drumpfelschnitzel.

    nk (1d9030)

  98. Pittsburgh paper accused of barring black reporters from covering protests, censoring stories
    Photojournalist Michael Santiago was part of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette team that in 2019 won the paper a Pulitzer Prize, journalism’s highest accolade, for its breaking news coverage of the Tree of Life synagogue massacre. The Pulitzer judges praised the staff’s reporting as “immersive, compassionate coverage … that captured the anguish and resilience of a community thrust into grief.”

    Only now, Santiago says the paper has barred him and at least one other reporter from covering anti-racism protests in Pittsburgh because they are seen as biased for being black. Journalists are also accusing the newspaper of removing and censoring at least two articles published online Friday that reported on protests over George Floyd’s death and police abuses, as well as of penalizing reporters who supported their black colleagues.
    ………
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette editors did not respond to The Post’s request for comment.

    The controversy publicly kicked off Friday when Alexis Johnson, another black Pittsburgh Post-Gazette journalist, reported that the newspaper’s management had barred her from covering local protests Monday after a tweet from her went viral. Her May 31 tweet pointed out “horrifying scenes and aftermath from selfish LOOTERS … oh wait sorry. No, these are pictures from a Kenny Chesney concert tailgate,” referring to the American country singer.

    Michael A. Fuoco, another journalist at the Pittsburgh paper and president of the Newspaper Guild of Pittsburgh, told The Post that editors rejected several of Johnson’s pitches for protest-related coverage Monday. They then told her she could not cover them at all because her tweet showed bias, Johnson told The Post.
    …….

    “We feel taking a black woman off the most monumental national story about civil rights in the last 50 years is punishment,” Fuoco told the Associated Press. “We have very few black journalists. Someone who has the contacts and the insights for this story, that is what you want.”

    The city of Pittsburgh is 23 percent black, while the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s staff is roughly 10 percent black, Fuoco said…….
    …….
    Post-Gazette journalist Ashley Murray tweeted Friday night that the link to an article she had written earlier was not working, and she had informed the newspaper, according to the Pittsburgh City Paper, which first reported on the incident.

    “I filed a story today about Pittsburgh City Council members’ reaction to and discussion about police brutality and reforms,” she tweeted. “Some readers have brought it to my attention that the link is broken.

    Alyssa Brown, a content editor at the paper, told The Post she also was receiving comments from readers about links to Murray’s and another story not working. So she went into the system to investigate. She said she found the two stories in question deleted from the system. They also weren’t scheduled for the print newspaper, she said.

    “That’s very rare,” she said. “We rarely do that [delete stories].”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  99. @97-
    Fort Hood is Army. But they should name military installations for American heroes, not American traitors.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  100. In his own way, John Bell Hood made a significant contribution to the Union cause.
    Wikipedia’s summary of his time in charge of the Army of Tennessee

    Hood returned to field service during the Atlanta Campaign of 1864, and at the age of 33 was promoted to temporary full general and command of the Army of Tennessee at the outskirts of Atlanta, making him the youngest soldier on either side of the war to be given command of an army. There, he dissipated his army in a series of bold, calculated, but unfortunate assaults, and was forced to evacuate the besieged city. Leading his men through Alabama and into Tennessee, his army was severely damaged in a massive frontal assault at the Battle of Franklin and he was decisively defeated at the Battle of Nashville by his former West Point instructor, Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas, after which he was relieved of command.

    Kishnevi (c5cd7d)

  101. @101-
    He made the dishonorable, wrong, choice. A traitor is still a traitor.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  102. Two views of Hood in poetry:
    Stephen Vincent Benét

    Yellow-haired Hood with his wounds and his empty sleeve,
    Leading his Texans, a Viking shape of a man,
    With the thrust and lack of craft of a berserk sword,
    All lion, none of the fox.
    When he supersedes
    Joe Johnston, he is lost, and his army with him,
    But he could lead forlorn hopes with the ghost of Ney.
    His bigboned Texans follow him into the mist.
    Who follows them?

    Hood’s own troops

    My feet are torn and bloody,
    My heart is full of woe,
    I’m going back to Georgia
    To find my uncle Joe [Johnston].
    You may talk about your Beauregard,
    You may sing of Bobby Lee,
    But the gallant Hood of Texas
    He played hell in Tennessee.

    nk (1d9030)

  103. Contestant for ironic headline of the weekend from CBS Chicago:

    Chicago’s South Side Left With Few Food Options After Weekend Violence
    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  104. My daughter took part in a peaceful George Floyd protest today. I found out about it when she sent me a picture afterwards. I’m proud of her but at the same time I’m apprehensive to encourage her too much.

    nk (1d9030)

  105. I hope she practiced at least a modicum of social distancing.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  106. My daughter took part in a peaceful George Floyd protest today. I found out about it when she sent me a picture afterwards. I’m proud of her but at the same time I’m apprehensive to encourage her too much.

    Potato not fall far from tree!

    Is good for comrade daughter.

    Dave (1bb933)

  107. Yeah what a j-off in McAllen, last thing the GDs and Four Corners Hustlers need to see go viral after the black version of the Slumdog Millionaire inspired train-assisted riot in Cicero IL last Monday.

    urbanleftbehind (f9304e)

  108. It’s the Greek blood. Nadezhda Krupskaya had nothing on Laskarina Bouboulina.

    nk (1d9030)

  109. He made the dishonorable, wrong, choice. A traitor is still a traitor.

    Truth.

    Hood was one of Lee’s most capable division commanders. As an army leader, though, he was a complete disaster.

    Joe Johnston had fought a skillful delaying campaign in front of Atlanta against Sherman’s numerically superior and well-led army, trading space for time while keeping his irreplaceable army intact. But Johnston was unpopular with Jeff Davis, and criticized for not being more aggressive. So he was replaced by the hot-headed Hood, who immediately demonstrated why Johnston’s defense-oriented strategy had been the correct one…

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. How to bunker.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  111. I just gained a new appreciation for chimneys. I watched the full moon rise from behind one a full foot in the time it took me to smoke a cigarette.

    nk (1d9030)

  112. Hilarious, lurker.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. @73 About those job numbers, Rip Murdock, you’re right. They’re misleading.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/unemployment-jobs-report-congress-bls.html

    Some furloughed workers have returned to their old jobs, but many have not. It’s not a statistical anomaly but an error in counting. Furloughed workers are listed as “employed but absent,” because the relief package passed by Congress paid benefits to small businesses that closed but kept paying employees salaries. Those benefits expire at the end of July, and Republicans are reluctant to extend them. So there may very well be a huge spike in unemployment in August, as workers who have returned to their old jobs are furloughed again or might lose their jobs permanently, because small businesses won’t be able to pay salaries to “employed but absent” workers.

    It’s like at the beginning of the Great Depression, people are in denial that there is a crisis, exacerbated by the pandemic and the wanton destruction brought about by rioting, looting and arson. A lot of businesses have been completely ruined, and many will not be able to reopen for months, maybe years, if ever.

    There have been several disruptions to the economy, between businesses and suppliers, employers and employees, lenders and borrowers, that will have delayed effects which will materialize over the coming months and years. Tariffs (taxes on consumers) and trade wars (disruptions of supply chains) only make matters worse, compounded by trillion dollar/year deficits and mounting debt. Dark times are ahead, and as in the Great Depression, the federal government’s response is woefully inadequate.

    We did have a closing this week, first sale we’ve made since early February. That’s four months without a sale. My commission was a little over $600. Wow, that’ll help for a few weeks, but that’s been my income during these trying times, $600 over four months. And I paid $800 for continuing education, licensing fees, board membership and MLS dues in February.

    I keep saying the real estate market is in a downward spiral and home values are plummeting. Some commenters say, show me where home values are declining! I can’t. Realtors base home values by comparative market analyses–comparable sales with adjustments. But there haven’t been any sales for months, so there’s nothing to base a price opinion on. The first rule of real estate is a house is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Every seller thinks a property, residential or commercial, is worth more than it really is, and every buyer thinks their dream home or property can be bought cheap. It’s often difficult to negotiate a deal.

    I expect a large number of foreclosures and evictions, once the moratorium is lifted, and property values will crash. Banks do not make loans to unemployed or “employed but absent” borrowers. With very little or no potential buyers, sellers will necessarily have to lower price demands. I’ve seen it before. And in this current environment, with high unemployment, who is going to be able to have proof of financing or proof of cash required to make an offer? Real estate values will spiral downward, and do you know who that hurts the most? The middle class, because their equity is tied up in home values. What they thought was their nest egg has now been cracked.

    It’s not good, and any recovery or any sense of a return to normalcy is years away.

    As for this Floyd controversy, he wasn’t a saint. He had committed crimes before, including armed robbery, but he was arrested, convicted and served his sentence. He was trying to turn his life around. I don’t know if he willfully passed a counterfeit $20 bill at some store. I do know that he didn’t have the means or wherewithal to print one, so obviously someone passed it to him. Maybe he was unaware it was counterfeit, I don’t know. But nothing excuses the behavior of Chauvin and the other officers, which resulted in his horrific death.

    They should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But the police union has their backs. That’s the real problem.

    https://reason.com/2020/06/03/its-time-to-bust-police-unions/

    Did you know that the cowardly cop who hid while innocent students were shot at that school in Florida, and didn’t call in an emergency for over ten minutes, was reinstated? Yeah, the police union, four years later, got him reinstated with full back pay, $138,000.

    Police unions do not represent the people the police are sworn to serve and protect, they represent the police, no matter how egregious their behavior.

    That’s the real problem right there. Unions protecting bad behavior. Until that issue is addressed, nothing will change. Institutional discrimination, police brutality, unlawful arrests, none of it will change, unless we address the real issue.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  114. https://www.ktvu.com/news/santa-cruz-deputy-killed-in-ambush

    Another day, another cop murdered.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  115. The officer in NJ’s link had a child, and his wife is pregnant with their second child. Something like 70 cops have been seriously injured or killed in the last couple of weeks.

    There are a lot of ways to look at that. One is that Officer Chauvin did not care about the safety of his fellow officers when he murdered George Floyd. Another is that there must be a better way to hire the right cops and permanently remove the bad ones, in order to honor and better protect the good ones. I don’t know that this ambush had anything to do with Floyd but it does seem like a courageous time to be a cop, knowing how a lot of the people you’re working for feel.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  116. Another day, another peaceful protest in Portland.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/06/peaceful-protests-again-escalate-friday-as-police-say-some-demonstrators-violence-weaponry-increasing.html

    By 10 p.m., what police described as “agitators” were using slingshots to aim projectiles at officers, including bricks, glass bottles, fireworks and more, and lasers were being directed at officers’ eyes. Police said an improvised explosive landed near an officer’s feet but didn’t explode, as the fuse burned out.

    Democrat mayor. Democrat city council. Democrat police chief.

    beer ‘n pretzels (3d3894)

  117. Babylon Bee: Trump — I have done more for Christianity than Jesus

    Also: Celebrities Show Solidarity With Protesters By Burning Their Own Homes To The Ground

    The organizer of this movement released the following statement on Twitter: “Your homes, your riches, and your toys are built on a foundation of white supremacy. They are forever tainted by racism. Your walls and security systems have shut out the voices of the oppressed. Join us. Stand with us. #BurnYourHouseDown!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  118. There are a lot of ways to look at that. One is that Officer Chauvin did not care about the safety of his fellow officers when he murdered George Floyd. Another is that there must be a better way to hire the right cops and permanently remove the bad ones, in order to honor and better protect the good ones.

    I remember when Flight 007 was shot down by the Russians, and some said: “It must have been spying!” (as if that would justify it even if true). This sounds like that.

    If a bad cop (predictably) kills an arrestee, that terrible and heads should roll. That does NOT justify killing other people. One could just as easily justify Chauvin’s actions with: “So many white people are killed by black men, it not hard to understand how some cops treat all black men as they do.”

    I think that most would react to that statement much as I do to what Dustin posted.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  119. In short, one bad cop does not justify ANYONE killing other cops. EVER.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  120. Patrick Deneen
    @PatrickDeneen
    ·
    Remember when @CNN had a constant graphic of global and US infections and deaths, present no matter the topic being discussed? Funny how it disappeared once they started covering mass gatherings of protesters.
    __ _

    ian bremmer
    @ianbremmer

    Biggest of the #BlackLivesMatters protests to date looks to be in Philly.
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    Philip Klein
    @philipaklein
    ·
    How many times have we read in the past few months about Phildelphia War Bonds parade in 1918 that led to a massive re-explosion of flu? Example was repeteadly used to justify lockdowns.
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    harkin (9c4571)

  121. “If a bad cop (predictably) kills an arrestee, that terrible and heads should roll. That does NOT justify killing other people. One could just as easily justify Chauvin’s actions with: “So many white people are killed by black men, it not hard to understand how some cops treat all black men as they do.””

    There’s an unstated assumption here, that the people on the side of the protesters or antifa are the ones who killed the cop. There’s another group active, that’s largely absent from right-wing media coverage: the so-called “Boogaloo Boys” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement

    These guys stated objective is to start another civil war, and they have been arrested in the past with the intent to kill police.

    Davethulhu (d85c93)

  122. In short, one bad cop does not justify ANYONE killing other cops. EVER.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/6/2020 @ 11:11 pm

    That is obviously not what I said. I’ve been a police officer for the past five years. Your attempt to be self-righteous is exhausting and insane.

    Every bad cop out there makes life so much harder for the rest. Every chickens–t traffic stop, every white lie or exaggeration, every needless escalation by a power tripping little man, it makes it harder. Chauvin’s conduct had the predictable result of instigating a movement of hatred. You can blame both the idiots and monsters in the world, and the bad cops who are fueling them.

    They say that old man that got knocked over, the one with blood coming out of his ear, was the instigator. Nevertheless, the cop that pushed him didn’t need to. They say the APD cop that fired rubber bullets was instigated by water thrown on him. The rubber bullet caused brain damage to an uninvolved party. They say the pepper balls and force in DC before Trump’s photo op was instigated by non compliant protesters who were warned. It still escalated the hell out of the country’s frustration. Cops are supposed to be able to handle these problems.

    That does NOT justify killing other people.

    I see no virtue in this need many have to interpret other’s views as insane. Even though obviously I hope no one kills me or my friends, even though such an act would be unjust, when people say cops could be better quality, I know they are right.

    1) Police culture is set by leadership. Funding and other cultural phenomena has militarized policing.
    2) Police recruiting has become desperate. Lowered standards span from out of shape to drug use to psychiatric problems, when we need people who have higher IQs, are tested for emotional intelligence and empathy, have a four year degree.
    3) Quality control is a joke. In the military they have ‘up or out’. Promote or lose your job, eventually. Cops can resign before they are fired, or even get fired, and move on to be a cop in the next town. We need a national ‘do not hire’ list for cops. We need annual competency testing, including psych screening.

    I could go on all damn day. I usually do. I’ll just stop and say that your interpretation of my remarks as somehow justifying the many tragedies all around the country is not a reasonable interpretation of my comment. I have said this in person to bad cops. Cops whose conduct I documented, who resigned and are still cops elsewhere: if you really care about the profession, you are professional.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  123. The educational systems which embrace multiculturalism and diversity obviously have failed to instill civic morals or behavior. Violence is now justified against the greater good thanks to the woke Justice system. Gun & Ammo sales continue to go through the roof.
    For a damn good reason. The justice system is in complete meltdown.

    mg (8cbc69)

  124. 113

    Hilarious, lurker.
    nk (1d9030) — 6/6/2020 @ 8:50 pm

    She’s very talented. She’s done a bunch of those, all of which can be accessed on via her Twitter feed or her Youtube channel.

    Here’s another of my favorites.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  125. Dang. No excuse for typos when there’s a preview function.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  126. #117 I always love how the Liberal/left MSM always uses passive voice when there’s violence by the Left, especially Antifa. Violence is always “Breaking out” or “Escalating” or the peaceful protest is “Turning violent”.

    Never do they say WHO is doing WHAT to WHOM. But at least they’ve stopped claiming that the KKK in Hawaiian Shirts, sunglasses, with “High Powered” Rifles is “Infiltrating” the marches and causing trouble. LOL!

    Side not: Its hard to feel sorry for Portland. They’re obviously OK with all the Antifa violence, since they do nothing about it, and keep electing the same left-wing Politicians.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  127. 120

    In short, one bad cop does not justify ANYONE killing other cops. EVER.
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/6/2020 @ 11:11 pm

    Killer cops and cop killers are equally loathsome. But one kills in our name; the other doesn’t.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  128. @93 That’s the first I’ve heard of that incident, Rip Murdock. And McAllen is a fifteen minute drive from where I live. One would think something like that would be all over the local news, but I haven’t seen or heard anything about it.

    There really haven’t been any protests down here. I did see a lone National Guardsman patrolling an empty street, with an AR-15, last week though.

    Yesterday, I drove my mother to inspect a repossessed home west of Edinburg on Ware Road. It’s a condition of the listing, you have to inspect each property every week, take pictures, write a follow-up report. Standard operating procedure.

    Along the way, there were small groups of protesters along the highway. Maybe 20-30 college and high school students caught up in the zeitgeist. They weren’t flooding the streets, blocking traffic, or committing violence, looting and arson. They were just holding up makeshift, handmade cardboard signs. First time I’d seen anything like that down here, but they were peaceful protesters. They weren’t disrupting anything, just standing on the sidewalk holding up signs.

    However, the article is correct that the not-to-be-talked about topic is Latino anti-black discrimination. Few want to admit that the truth of the African slave trade was done by Europeans buying slaves from African slave owners. About 6% of those slaves were shipped to North America, 94% were shipped to Mexico, Central and South America. So there is a lot more discrimination outside of the US, south of the border.

    No other nation in the Americas has fought a Civil War to free the slaves. No other nation has passed Civil Rights legislation. No other nation has done as much to deal with rampant racism and discrimination.

    And we have a long way to go to reach true equality. And we’re supposed to lead the world, be the shining light on a hill. At that, this generation has completely failed.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  129. Dustin (d59cff) — 6/7/2020 @ 12:56 am

    Outstanding comment, Dustin. Fair, informed, and edifying. Crucial traits of leadership.

    felipe (023cc9)

  130. No other nation in the Americas has fought a Civil War to free the slaves

    It would be more accurate to say no other country needed to fight a civil war to free its slaves.

    Kishnevi (2054b9)

  131. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/3-protesters-track-officers-their-home-light-their-police-cars-fire-authorities-say/Y4BL2CZGHVCIZFP62CMDCVQJIU/

    These must be the bugaboo boyz that davethulu was trying to deflect and blame leftist violence on. It couldn’t possibly be anything else.

    NJRob (b723d2)

  132. It would be more accurate to say no other country needed to fight a civil war to free its slaves.

    Kishnevi (2054b9) — 6/7/2020 @ 6:27 am

    It would be more accurate to say other nations followed our lead and saw the sacrifice we made for freedom.

    NJRob (b723d2)

  133. Ms. Cooper has much humor.

    Below are the battleground poll results over the past week, mostly from RealClearPolitics. Some were taken during (but not after) Trump’s ridiculous photo-op last Monday and the related violence against peaceful protesters.
    In Wisconsin, Biden is either tied with Trump or up by nine. However, the sample size on the former is only 382, although it surveyed likely voters.
    In Florida, Biden by three.
    In Michigan, Biden by two and Biden by twelve.
    In PA, Trump by four, and it appears to be an outlier because none of the other eleven earlier polls show Trump leading. CNBC/Change Research has done most of the latest polling, and I’m wondering how accurate they really are.
    In NC, Biden by one and Biden by four.
    In AZ, Trump by one and Biden by four, the former of which is CNBC/Change Research in a sample of 329 likely voters. I do wonder about the accuracy of polls that don’t sample more than 800.
    In TX, Trump by only one, in Texas.
    The way it’s going, Trump could very well tweet himself out of a job.

    Paul Montagu (190800)

  134. Brazil which is the only comparable did it by edict.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  135. Weve seen this movie it doesnt end well.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  136. By all means do whatever it takes to train and build a more professional and kind police force. Step one might be doing the exact opposite of everything being done in these cities owned and operated by the Democratic Party.

    And then maybe address the pathologies in the community that are the main causes of the crime, drug use, illiteracy, kids without fathers and oh the murders by the bushel of young black men by other young black men.

    “ As a veteran of the civil rights movement, one of the great promises we gave to lower-income blacks is that if you were to elect blacks to public office through voting rights acts, and we were running those institutions, that all of black America would be better off.

    In the past 50 years $22 trillion has been spent on poverty programs; 70% goes not to the poor but those who serve poor people. So many of those people taking office used this money to create a class of people who are running these cities.

    And now, after 50 years of liberal Democrats running the inner cities where we have all of these inequities that we have, race is being used as a ruse, as a means of deflecting attention away from critical questions, such as: Why are poor blacks failing in systems run by their own people if race was an issue, even in the criminal justice system?” – Bob Woodson, former Head of the National Urban League Department of Criminal Justice

    __ _

    Larry Elder
    @larryelder
    ·
    Assume there’s a vaccine against white racism. Would 70% of black kids STILL be raised in fatherless homes? Would 50% of blacks STILL dropout of many urban high schools? Would 25% of young black urban men STILL have criminal records? Would blacks STILL kill 7K blacks every yr.?
    __ _

    Larry Elder
    @larryelder

    Not to change the subject, but blacks kill more blacks (7000) in a year than the KKK did and its entire history.
    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  137. It would be more accurate to say other nations followed our lead and saw the sacrifice we made for freedom

    We were in fact late to the dance. Outside of the USA, Brazil, the Netherlands Antilles, Puerto Rico, and Cuba, slavery had already been abolished in the Western Hemisphere by 1860. The Netherlands Antilles did it in 1861.

    So, no. We weren’t the shining example to the rest of the world.

    Kishnevi (2054b9)

  138. moldova’s nice this time of year i’m told,

    narciso (7404b5)

  139. Police Violence at Protests Is Undeniable. All the Videos Are Right Here

    Across social media, the clips spread and seem to multiply: Police officers ram their cars into protesters holding up a barricade. Police officers detain and cuff an on-duty deliveryman, in spite of the protection his “essential worker” status supposedly affords. Police officers tear gas a captive crowd in a park. Police officers push a 75-year-old long time peace activist to the ground, where they leave him bleeding from his ears.

    ……. Lawyer T. Greg Doucette and mathematician Jason Miller are working on compiling these clips and images of violence in a public Google Sheet, titled “GeorgeFloyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter”.

    Doucette told VICE he was originally compiling a Twitter thread of videos of police violence, and got to the point that he was receiving thousands of messages on Twitter. “[The videos] come in from a variety of spots, but the vast majority are sent via DM,” Doucette said. “I’ve got nearly 1,000 unopened DMs at this point plus ppl I’ve already talked with sending me more.”

    Miller took Doucette’s compilation a step further by actually creating the spreadsheet itself. “When I saw [Doucette] was creating a Twitter thread with examples of police brutality, I knew the thread was going to be LONG, I knew it was going to be good, and I knew it was going to reach a lot of people,” Miller told VICE. “I wanted to help, so I just started making a Google spreadsheet so that other people could see, sort, and spend time with the documentary evidence he shared.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  140. Not to change the subject, but blacks kill more blacks (7000) in a year than the KKK did and its entire history.
    Proof?

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  141. Kishnevi,

    there was no push for worldwide abolition, which is still in progress, without the American Civil War and our growth on the world stage. The modern fight against slavery doesn’t exist without the USA.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  142. Murdock,

    I know you love posting lots of anti-police posts, but why haven’t you posted anything about antifa behaving badly or their attacks and murders of police?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  143. Any fans of The Lord of the Rings movies should watch this.

    The first 2:15 is a pitch for a charity. What follows is pure awesome sauce.

    Dave (1bb933)

  144. Rip Murdock has an agenda, I believe. It is a free country thanks to the many sacrifices made by our forefathers.

    felipe (023cc9)

  145. h/t: Drudge

    As Trump blames antifa, protest records show scant evidence

    The Associated Press analyzed court records, employment histories, social media posts and other sources of information for 217 people arrested last weekend in Minneapolis and the District of Columbia, two cities at the epicenter of the protests across the United States.

    Rather than outside agitators, more than 85% of those arrested by police were local residents. Of those charged with such offenses as curfew violations, rioting and failure to obey law enforcement, only a handful appeared to have any affiliation with organized groups.

    Those charged with more serious offenses related to looting and property destruction – such as arson, burglary and theft – often had past criminal records. But they, too, were overwhelmingly local residents taking advantage of the chaos.

    Social media posts indicate only a few of those arrested are left-leaning activists, including a self-described anarchist. But others had indications of being on the political right, including some Trump supporters.

    Dave (1bb933)

  146. I’m old enough to remember what happens when supporters of anarchists hang around here, does our host?

    narciso (7404b5)

  147. I know you love posting lots of anti-police posts, but why haven’t you posted anything about antifa behaving badly or their attacks and murders of police?
    I don’t “love” posting “anti-police” posts; I haven’t posted any about specific incidents, except those related to the dissembling statements by law enforcement regarding the Lafayette Park protest.

    I thought the Vice article was an interesting use of technology to gather information on disparate incidents in one place. When someone publishes an article about databases tracking “antifa” incidents or police deaths, I’ll post that too.

    Until that happens, it’s your job.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  148. Rip Murdock has an agenda, I believe. It is a free country thanks to the many sacrifices made by our forefathers.
    My only agenda is posting stories and blog posts that I find interesting. I could care less about George Floyd or anything else people are protesting about.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  149. Texas county GOP chair-elect won’t assume office amid backlash for posting MLK quote with a banana
    …….
    Keith Nielsen, the GOP chairman-elect in Harris County, announced in a Facebook post that he would be stepping aside and would not be taking office in August. Harris County encompasses Houston and the surrounding area.
    ……..
    Earlier this week, Nielsen had posted to Facebook an image of a King quote — “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere” — featured with a banana, according to The Texas Tribune.

    The Tribune reported that Nielsen deleted the post and addressed it on his Facebook page Thursday, saying, “It is unfortunate that the sentiment of the quote and my admiration for Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. has been overshadowed by people’s misinterpretation of an image.”

    Nonetheless, the image shared by Nielsen was immediately denounced as racist and met with backlash by members of his own party, including Republican Sen. Ted Cruz and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. Both tweeted on Friday that Nielsen should step down and withdraw from consideration as county chair.

    “Dammit, stop it. Stop saying stupid, racist things. Our country is grieving,” Cruz wrote.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  150. Another day, another cop murdered.

    Shooter is allegedly active-duty US Air Force.

    He apparently made anti-white posts on Facebook recently.

    Note: wiki page was linked from freerepublic.com; I can’t vouch for its accuracy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  151. Fox News Apologizes For Graphic on Stock Market Gains After Killings and Civil Unrest
    Fox News Channel has apologized for displaying an on-screen graphic showing stock-market gains following assassinations and killings of black people.
    ……….
    The graphic displayed a bar graph to show the percentage of change in the S&P 500 one week after the following events: the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1968.; the acquittal of police officers who beat Rodney King in Los Angeles in 1991; the police shooting of teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014; and George Floyd killed on May 25 while in police custody in Minneapolis.

    “The infographic used on FOX News Channel’s Special Report to illustrate market reactions to historic periods of civil unrest should have never aired on television without full context.We apologize for the insensitivity of the image & take this issue seriously,” a statement from a FOX News spokesperson read.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  152. NJRob (4d595c) — 6/7/2020 @ 8:44 am

    Abolition happened because of the British Empire. Until about 1870 or 1880 the USA was relatively speaking a backwater of Europe.

    Don’t confuse what the USA became in the 20th century with what we were in the 19th century.

    Kishnevi (2054b9)

  153. “These must be the bugaboo boyz that davethulu was trying to deflect and blame leftist violence on. It couldn’t possibly be anything else.”

    You’re being dishonest.

    Davethulhu (d85c93)

  154. “Dammit, stop it. Stop saying stupid, racist things. Our country is grieving,” Cruz wrote.

    EmasculaTED is very brave when lecturing anonymous county apparatchiks.

    Why hasn’t he told Trump to shut up too?

    Dave (1bb933)

  155. Rip Murdock (f56c1e) — 6/7/2020 @ 9:02 am

    Fair enough, Rip, fair enough. My agenda, if it is still unclear to some, is to try to raise the level of discourse here, by example at some times, and by annoying “hall monitoring” at other times.

    felipe (023cc9)

  156. 145,

    ojala ese hombre es un narco tambien.

    (Forgive me but I still cant go Spanish mass to compare Patterico’s Sunday Gospels with the padres word for word.)

    urbanleftbehind (ffc44a)

  157. One, I categorically condemn protesters who engage in violence of any sort, not to mention those protesters who break the law such as blocking freeways, and I condemn those in law enforcement who use force excessively when carrying out their duties.
    Two, in my experience, the people who make stupid, infantile comments like “how come you didn’t write about THAT” are the hyperpartisans with an agenda, and it’s a crap character trait that crosses party lines.

    Paul Montagu (190800)

  158. “ Proof?”

    According to the Tuskegee Institute, 3,446 blacks were lynched in the US between 1882 (when reliable records started being kept) and 1968.

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html

    Not all of these lynchings can be attributed to the KKK but let’s do it anyways.

    During this time 1,297 whites were also lynched.

    For the sake of argument. let’s also use the 3,446 amount of those 86 years to represent the 17 years between the formation of the Klan (post Civil War) and 1882. Just to guarantee no low-balling.

    That makes about 7,000 murders of blacks, the approximate same amount of young black men who kill other black men every year.
    __

    harkin (d8e40a)

  159. 130. in the trump-to-law-enforcement-do-better-people thread.

    narciso (7404b5) — 6/5/2020 @ 7:32 am

    meanwhile that lancet study, collapsed like neil ferguson’s imperial college model, or one of the world war one era triplanes,

    No, it is worse, because this was probably a total fraud, like the IQ studies done by Cyril Burt. Or maybe you could compare it to the anti-MMR vaccine study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield published also in the Lancet.

    This anti-hydroxychloroquine study used unverifiable and sometimes palpably false information.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/authors-retract-study-that-found-risks-of-using-antimalaria-drug-against-covid-19-11591299329

    … Surgisphere had said it collected the de-identified patient information from hospitals that was used in the studies. The Wall Street Journal contacted more than a dozen large U.S. hospitals, including some that treated high numbers of Covid-19 patients. None said they had an arrangement to share patient data with Surgisphere, and several said they had never heard of it…

    ..Surgisphere said it has petabytes of data from more than 100 million patients, culled from some 1,200 hospitals and institutions on six continents.

    One issue raised by outside researchers was with the numbers of patients purported to be in the data set: In certain cases, they exceeded the total number of Covid-19 patients in certain countries and regions. [!!} They criticized the authors’ decision not to share information about which hospitals or countries provided the patient data. Researchers also wondered about Surgisphere’s claim to have built such a massive database and analyzed the data so quickly.

    “This is a bit weird to have a very large study with just four authors and no acknowledgments” thanking people involved with data processing and analysis, said James Watson, a senior scientist at the MORU Tropical Health Network, a research group, who had outlined criticisms of the study in an open letter to The Lancet that eventually drew more than 100 signatories. “That was one of the first things we thought was a bit odd.”

    As I said, there is a slander campaign being waged against hydroxychloroquine (but I don’t know who’s behind it. Almost any pharmaceutical company developing any kind of a treatment against SARS-Cov2 would have a motive, and possibly the People’s Republic of China, but I repeat myself maybe. I don;t have a good handle at this point on exactly who is behind it, but I am very interested.

    For Cyril Burt see https://www.intelltheory.com/burtaffair.shtml

    For false anti vaccine study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831678/

    Sammy Finkelman (00fff5)

  160. “ If you finish high school and keep a job without having children before marriage, you will almost certainly not be poor. Period.

    I have repeatedly felt the air go out of the room upon putting this to black audiences. No one of any political stripe can deny it. It is human truth on view. In 2004, the poverty rate among blacks who followed that formula was less than 6 percent, as opposed to the overall rate of 24.7 percent.

    Even after hearing the earnest musings about employers who are less interested in people with names like Tomika, no one can gainsay the simple truth of that advice. Crucially, neither bigotry nor even structural racism can explain why an individual does not live up to it.” – John McWhorter

    https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/08/-depressing-because-it-is-so-persuasive/183684/
    _

    If you don’t address the problem, you’re just kicking the van down the road.
    _

    harkin (d8e40a)

  161. Should be ‘can‘ not van.

    The van was stolen and backed into a Burlington Coat Factory for a big withdrawal.

    harkin (d8e40a)

  162. One, I categorically condemn protesters who engage in violence of any sort, not to mention those protesters who break the law such as blocking freeways, and I condemn those in law enforcement who use force excessively when carrying out their duties.

    This, because a person can hold two thoughts in their head at the same time. I’m sick and tired of people on both sides trying to force others to believe that this isn’t true.

    Dana (0feb77)

  163. Progressives steamrolled across the Senate map
    If Democrats win back the Senate this fall, don’t expect a rush to pass the Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

    The left wing has been wiped out in Senate primaries or failed to recruit at all in states across the map this year, leaving a slate of centrist candidates more in the ideological mold of Joe Biden than Bernie Sanders. Liberal insurgents on the ballot over the coming weeks in states like Kentucky and Colorado aren’t favored to fare any better, failing to gain significant traction thus far against more moderate favorites.
    ……..
    The failure of left-wing candidates in their primaries has prompted soul-searching among many progressive leaders who now believe that they neglected the task of organizing and building a downballot bench as they were caught up in the thrall of Sanders’ candidacy. ……
    …….

    Rip Murdock (c70392)

  164. As I said, there is a slander campaign being waged against hydroxychloroquine…..
    Facts?

    Rip Murdock (c70392)

  165. More about hydroxychlroquine:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/06/07/researchers-look-beyond-hydroxychloroquine-prevent-covid-19/3147715001

    It must be taken with zinc, by the way, because it works only if there is a certain level of zinc in the body. Someone who had a problem – didn’t go to the hospital, probably in March or early April, told me that had a hard time getting a prescription written. He didn;t want to take it second hand from other people told e the same thing that Dr Zelenko was quoted as saying – that after a certain point, it’s worthless. Once it gets into lungs. About the 8th day. He reasoned the reason for the opposition is that it is a treatment that doesn’t cost a lot of money.

    He also told me hat Dr Zelenko was pushed out by the Chassidim (he wasn’t working for himself but for a bigger medical practice) who didn’t want too much attention drawn to themselves.

    He told me there was a place on 48th St near 16th Avenue in Brooklyn where you could get an antibody test. I think they also do a virus test.

    See also:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hydroxychloroquine-not-dead-yet-n1224586

    There’s no question that there is a slander campaign against hydroxychlroquine, which includes misleading people as to when it is supposed to help, as well as that there are some 30 approved drugs that have some effect on the course of the disease, which apparently don’t get enough attention to have a slander campaign waged against them. Meanwhile the antibody cure is low key enough for no competitor to try to undermine it.

    By the way you have to use the tern anti-malarial to find that Wall Street Journal article I linked to in my previous comment. The word hydroxychlroquine does not appear once in that article.

    Sammy Finkelman (00fff5)

  166. During this time 1,297 whites were also lynched.

    This is true, but many of those whites were lynched because of alleged sympathies toward the plight of blacks, for fighting against racism. And let’s be clear about the purpose of the lynchings. It wasn’t to kill negroes, it was to terrorize them, to keep them down, to keep from bringing forth legitimate grievances, and to keep white people from joining them in their cause. Too many of the confederate statues erected in the early 20th century were put up with similar intent.

    Paul Montagu (190800)

  167. Senator Tom Cotton was chosen to write an Op Ed piece because of who he was, not because of what he had to say.

    Sammy Finkelman (00fff5)

  168. 170. Paul Montagu (190800) — 6/7/2020 @ 11:27 am

    This is true, but many of those whites were lynched because of alleged sympathies toward the plight of blacks, for fighting against racism. And let’s be clear about the purpose of the lynchings. It wasn’t to kill negroes, it was to terrorize them, to keep them down, to keep from bringing forth legitimate grievances, and to keep white people from joining them in their cause.

    It was because they threatened they threatened the political power of the powers that be.

    Rush Limbaugh, in a takeoff on things that people have said in connection with Sinn Fein or Hezbollah, has recently called the Ku Klux Klan “the military wing of the Democratic Party” and from 1867 to whenever, it might have been so.

    Sammy Finkelman (00fff5)

  169. Trump officials claim there is no systemic racism in policing as protests sweep US
    Several Trump administration officials on Sunday denied the existence of systemic racism in law enforcement, even as protests across the U.S. demand broad changes to policing and the rallying cry “defund the police” spreads.
    ……
    “I think there’s racism in the United States still but I don’t think that the law enforcement system is systemically racist,” Attorney General William Barr said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

    Barr acknowledged that “for most of our history, our institutions were explicitly racist” but argued that reforms undertaken since the 1960s have created change in most of those institutions, including law enforcement.

    Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson similarly said though he grew up in a time “when there was real systemic racism,” such problems are “very uncommon now.”

    And acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf claimed on ABC’s “This Week” there is no “systemic racism problem” in law enforcement, only individual police officers who “abuse their jobs.”
    …..
    [Rep. Val] Demings noted “extremely troubling” videos of police responses to the protests, including two Buffalo, N.Y., officers knocking a 75-year-old man to the ground and leaving him there, despite him visibly bleeding. After the two officers were suspended, more than 50 other members resigned from the unit to which the two belonged.

    Numerous studies have found black Americans to be the disproportionate targets of both arrests and use of force by police.

    …….[A]study by the group Mapping Police Violence, which tracks the deaths of unarmed people due to police harm, found people of color and black Americans in particular are disproportionately affected.

    About a third of the more than 1,000 unarmed people who died due to police harm between 2013 and 2019 were black, according to the data, and 17 percent of black people who died due to police harm were unarmed, outpacing the national average of 13 percent.
    ……
    The views expressed above are not necessarily those of the poster.

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  170. Would 70% of black kids STILL be raised in fatherless homes? Would 50% of blacks STILL dropout of many urban high schools? Would 25% of young black urban men STILL have criminal records? Would blacks STILL kill 7K blacks every yr.?

    Yes. but fatherlessness doesn’t have to cause crime.

    The rate of fatherlessness only went up from 1970 to 1995 but the percentage of blacks born in those respective ears who have criminal records went down. The white illegitimacy rate rate went up, but you didn’t get a jump in people with criminal records.

    Look at the chart here in this link by Patterico in @#3 in the Friday thread:

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

    Between 1993 and 2001 black victims of violent crime dropped in half. Ot dropped also for whites, ut ratio of victiminzation stayed the same. (It happened because of a virtuous cycle, as law enforcement caught up with crime, but there was no concerted effort to eliminate crime in black communities)

    The victimization rate is close to the perpetrator rate, and we all know that prison populations went down,

    All the while the illegitimacy rate only went further up.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states

    Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites. Every year about one million more children are born into fatherless families.

    Yet I believe that black males born in 1990 were less likely to have acriminal record than those born in 1965.

    This claim that illegitimacy causes crime is an old argument repeated regardless of the changing circumstances that totally invalidate it. It wasn’t accurate in the 1960s, either. Because if you go back to the beginning I think you will find that the rise in the crime rate rose first, starting in the 1930s and 1940s, and the illegitimacy rate followed. It did not precede it.

    They have things backwards. Criminal records and a life of crime cause illegitimacy, and not the other way around.

    And it is crime that causes poverty and surroundings of crime that causes poverty and not poverty that causes crime. Crime is a terrible tax and a terrible discouragement to establishing anything good. However, especially with the help of mandatory gerrymandering, crime does enhance the possibility of incumbents remaining in office.

    Sammy Finkelman (00fff5)

  171. narciso @159 RE: FWIW-
    Vote for Trump? These Republican Leaders Aren’t on the Bandwagon
    ……
    ……..[F]ar sooner than they expected, growing numbers of prominent Republicans are debating how far to go in revealing that they won’t back his re-election — or might even vote for Joseph R. Biden Jr., the presumptive Democratic nominee. They’re feeling a fresh urgency because of Mr. Trump’s incendiary response to the protests of police brutality, atop his mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic, according to people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose private discussions.

    Former President George W. Bush won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Mr. Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November. Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden………

    And former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced on Sunday that he will vote for Mr. Biden, telling CNN that Mr. Trump “lies about things” and Republicans in Congress won’t hold him accountable. ……
    …….
    None of these Republicans voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, but the reproach of big Republican names carries a different weight when an incumbent president and his shared agenda with Senate leaders are on the line.

    ……. Republicans who are already disinclined to support Mr. Trump are weighing whether to go beyond backing a third-party contender to openly endorse Mr. Biden. Retired military leaders, who have guarded their private political views, are increasingly voicing their unease about the president’s leadership but are unsure whether to embrace his opponent.
    ……..
    Representative Francis Rooney of Florida has donated millions of dollars to Republican candidates over the years, served as President Bush’s ambassador to the Vatican and hasn’t voted for a Democrat in decades.

    But Mr. Rooney said he is considering supporting Mr. Biden in part because Mr. Trump is “driving us all crazy” and his handling of the virus led to a death toll that “didn’t have to happen.”
    …….
    “ What he’s always been is not scary,” said Mr. Rooney. “A lot of people that voted for President Trump did so because they did not like Hillary Clinton. I don’t see that happening with Joe Biden — how can you not like Joe Biden?”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  172. Mike Huckabee ‘Livid’ at Republicans Who Won’t Bow Down to Trump
    Former Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR) expressed his shock and dismay Sunday morning that several prominent Republicans will reportedly not support President Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
    ….
    “But if that’s true and if you have people who were nominated, and in the case of President Bush actually elected to be president by Republicans, and they will no longer support the Republican nominee who went through the process and got elected,” Huckabee said, “then I’m going to be not just unhappy, I’m going to be livid.”
    …….
    This president is more pro-life than we’ve ever had, period,” he said. “He’s more pro-Israel. He has deregulated so much government so that the businesses of America can thrive and they have until this COVID stuff happened.” He notably neglected to mention that the president’s inaction on COVID-19 made that situation much worse.

    After baselessly claiming that Trump has “done more for minorities than any president in my lifetime in actually helping people to have good, decent jobs and a future,” Huckabee told Republicans who don’t like Trump’s “personality” to “get over it!”
    …….
    “……. Everything that we find disgusting he’s going to embrace it, including the socialists out here. That’s why we have to realize this is a simple choice and we better make the right move.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  173. There are other reasons for periodic declines in crime rates:

    With the advent of Broken Windows and other policing reforms in 1994, New York experienced the largest homicide declines in its history. The city transformed from an increasingly dystopian wasteland to America’s City.

    So why are so many criminologists declaring that Broken Windows doesn’t work, and why are advocates and the media trumpeting methodologically weak findings? The answer: they’re ideologically opposed to the proactive policing that Broken Windows fosters, because it draws sharp moral lines and is unafraid to make judgments about environments and behaviors.“

    https://www.city-journal.org/broken-windows-policing-works
    __ _

    According to critics, however, public order policing is a racist assault on poor minority neighborhoods that criminalizes innocuous behavior. But if the majority of arrests for public-order offenses occur in minority neighborhoods, that is because the majority of such offenses occur there as well.

    The solution to racial disparities in the criminal-justice system is not to target policing. It is to bring the black crime rate down, something that depends first and foremost on revalorizing the two-parent family. Until that happens, however, downgrading the police response to public disorder does a disservice to the residents who have to live with its consequences.”

    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/broken-windows-policing-key-urban-renewal-8672.html
    _

    harkin (d8e40a)

  174. Numerous studies have found black Americans to be the disproportionate targets of both arrests and use of force by police.

    That’s an example of ow to lie with statistics.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

    From this, we learn:

    In 2019, police fatally shot 1,004 people. (which should be most of those killed by police.)

    235 of them were black, or 23.4% The number of unarmed blacks shot by police was 9 and the number of unarmed whites was 19. Contrary to the claim that nobody is listening to anybody, this number was less than half of what it had been in 2015 when 38 unarmed blacks and 32 unarmed whites were killed.

    It dropped to 24% of the 2015 level for blacks and only 59% of the 2015 level for whites.

    In 2018, which should be somewhere in the neighborhood of the 2019 figure, there were 7.407 black homicide victims, so the 9 unarmed blacks killed by the police represent 12 basis points (about one tenth of 1%) and even the 235 shot to death by police for all sorts of reasons represent only about 3% – the other 97% of homicide victims being killed by people who are not the police. (a few more may be covered up by the police)

    And a police officer is 18 1/2 times more likely to be killed by black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a policeman.

    400 members of the public were killed by a police officer in the United States this year (2020)

    George Floyd was umber 401. (this statistic from an Op-ed article by Holman W.Jenkins Jr.)

    Four hundred cases could not become a cause celebre. They had to wait for the 401st. (The police officer in question had to also be of the right race, of course)

    It was an isolated incident.

    In 2018, police applied deadly force with firearms in just 0.003% of arrests. One third of a basis point. This would not include people shot to death, who escaped arrest by virtue of being killed. (Source: Rafael A. Mangual in City Journal as excerpted in the New York Post)

    (There area few other possible cases, but it was either not the police although the police covered it up; or involves somebody calling the police with a false report and nobody was hurt – that is, the Central Park birdwatcher versus female dog owner conflict; or the person shot to death was armed and had shot someone already, and the question is could it have been handled some other way. They did tell him to put down the gun and people n the crowd told him to do it.)

    During the Memorial Day weekend during which George Floyd was killed by Derek Chauvin, 10 African Americans were killed in drive by shootings in Chicago alone! Does anyone even acknowledge they even existed?

    The next weekend, maybe not including Monday, 21 Chicagoans, black, white, Hispanic and anything else, were killed this way, out of a total of 80 persons shot.

    Black and Hispanic officers were more to shoot unarmed black suspects than white policemen according to a 2015 DOJ study or analysis of the Philadelphia police department. Who’s racist? Now it is related to how often they encounter violent suspects from a given racial group.

    Sammy Finkelman (7b1b59)

  175. The solution to racial disparities in the criminal-justice system is not to target policing. It is to bring the black crime rate down, something that depends first and foremost on revalorizing the two-parent family.

    Not true. It depends, ultimately, on prosecution or other intervention.

    And what kind of woman should be encouraged to marry a criminal?

    Sammy Finkelman (7b1b59)

  176. “And what kind of woman should be encouraged to marry a criminal?”

    Yugoslavian models.

    Davethulhu (d85c93)

  177. James Bennet the NYT Opinion Editor is out.

    He admitted he didn’t read the Tom Cotton piece before it was published, you know, like an editor.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  178. The 2 minutes of hate continues its assault on non-leftist thought.

    NJRob (9bee56)

  179. Crystal Lady has emerged from her seance to bless us with her wisdom
    https://mobile.twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1269734521404043265

    I’m all for disbanding police departments as they now exist but we need to remember a piece of history. When the US invaded Iraq we disbanded their army, and those former army forces created ISIS. The last thing we need is thousands of angry excops forming a militia of their own.

    Kishnevi (666dd9)

  180. What a World Without Cops Would Look Like
    ……..
    With other campaigns to cut police budgets underway in cities like Los Angeles and New York and calls to defund the police gathering steam on social media, I spoke with Brooklyn College sociology professor Alex Vitale, the coordinator of the Policing & Social Justice Project and author of The End of Policing, to talk about the sweeping vision of police abolition and what it means in practice.
    …….
    Procedural justice folks, they want to restore the public’s trust in the police so that the police can go back to policing. But this ignores the question of what they are policing, and whether they should be policing it. …….
    ………
    It goes hand in hand with decriminalizing sex work, drugs, homelessness, mental illness. We don’t really need a vice unit, we need a system of legalized sex work that’s regulated just like any other business. [W]e need (school) counselors and restorative justice programs. …….[W]e need supportive housing, community based drop-in centers, social workers.
    …….
    …….. What abolitionists say is, Well, let’s figure out why they’re doing this and try to develop concrete prevention strategies. Not all homicides are the same. Is it a domestic violence case? Is it a school shooting? Is it a drug deal gone bad?……
    ……….
    …… A friend of ours, they had their car stolen. The police actually recovered it and arrested the driver. So they were like, “See? We need police.” And I said, “Well, let’s dig a little deeper here. What do we know about the person who got arrested that stole your car?” ………[T]he first time that we come in contact with this person, we’ve got to start trying to address what’s driving their problematic behavior.
    ……..
    ……. The reality is a lot of people just don’t call the police as it is because they feel like it’s just going to make their lives worse. That is a deep truth. And so what we want to do is not just to leave them on their own, we want to try and start fixing their problems………
    ……..
    I’d be in favor of defunding the police if California repealed its gun laws. I’d also like to see a social worker confront the North Hollywood bank robbers, who were armed with following:
    1 Semi-automatic HK-91
    2 full auto Norinco Type 56 S rifles,
    1 full auto Norinco Type 56 S-1, and
    1 full auto Bushmaster XM15 Dissipator
    As well as Molotov cocktails

    Yeah, right
    .

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  181. @173: Numerous studies have found black Americans to be the disproportionate targets of both arrests and use of force by police.

    So are males, but we went over this BS already.

    beer ‘n pretzels (77ed08)

  182. James Bennet the NYT Opinion Editor is out.

    So is the top editor at the Philadelphia Inquirer, after a “Buildings Matter, Too” headline appeared.

    https://pg-share.newsslide.com/4ad5ae97-954a-494d-822f-dc45396843c0/3ed08cca-a7b9-48e9-9bd4-bb0ab8cc74f0/

    It’s like Stalin’s Purge.

    beer ‘n pretzels (77ed08)

  183. 184 – that’s the reality…probably a consideration as to why we dont do a massive recession of our post World War 2 / Cold War placements even allowing for southern border fortification.

    urbanleftbehind (ffc44a)

  184. @182 Instead of pretending he hadn’t read it, he should’ve just gone with “hard nosed journalist” and told them that yeah, he’d read the article and the NYT was a newspaper not a nursery school and it’s part of their job to give people the news, not just the news they are comfortable with. He still might have been asked to resign, but at least that’s a resignation with honor.

    Nic (896fdf)

  185. 182. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/7/2020 @ 1:58 pm

    He admitted he didn’t read the Tom Cotton piece before it was published, you know, like an editor.

    And if he would have read it, would he have rejected it? Or asked for any modifications? It was a voice of opposition.

    They were going to publish anything he wrote because he was importat Senator. Well, anything he wrote that was in line with his tweets on this subject.

    Unless maybe he called for killing people. Then they wouldn’t publish it but put it in their news columns.

    Sammy Finkelman (7b1b59)

  186. From the NYT:

    James Bennet resigned on Sunday from his job as the editorial page editor of The New York Times, days after the newspaper’s opinion section, which he oversaw, published a much-criticized Op-Ed by a United States senator calling for a military response to civic unrest in American cities.

    “Last week we saw a significant breakdown in our editing processes, not the first we’ve experienced in recent years,” said A. G. Sulzberger, the publisher, in a note to the staff on Sunday announcing Mr. Bennet’s departure.

    In a brief interview, Mr. Sulzberger added: “Both of us concluded that James would not be able to lead the team through the next leg of change that is required.”

    At an all-staff virtual meeting on Friday, Mr. Bennet, 54, apologized for the Op-Ed, saying that it should not have been published and that it had not been edited carefully enough. An editors’ note posted late Friday noted factual inaccuracies and a “needlessly harsh” tone. “The essay fell short of our standards and should not have been published,” the note said.

    Dana (0feb77)

  187. “Last week we saw a significant breakdown in our editing processes, not the first we’ve experienced in recent years,” said A. G. Sulzberger

    I wonder if he included the Sarah Palin libel case in which Mr. Bennett was likewise too busy and harried to fact-check his own editorial with the NYT’s own archives. Or did he mean three-martini lunches? Inquiring minds want to know.

    nk (1d9030)

  188. nk,

    Mr. Bennet’s tenure as editorial page editor, which started in 2016, was marked by several missteps. Last spring, The Times apologized for an anti-Semitic cartoon that appeared in the Opinion pages of its international edition.

    Last August, a federal appellate court found that Sarah Palin, the former vice-presidential candidate, could proceed with a defamation lawsuit against The Times over an editorial edited by Mr. Bennet that inaccurately linked her statements to the 2011 shooting of a congresswoman.

    During Mr. Bennet’s first year on the job, two Times national security reporters publicly objected to an Op-Ed by the journalist Louise Mensch, who cited her own reporting on United States law enforcement’s purported monitoring of the Trump presidential campaign. Times reporters who had covered the same story, along with reporters at other outlets, were skeptical of her claim.

    Dana (0feb77)

  189. Don’t Lose the Thread. The Economy Is Experiencing an Epic Collapse of Demand
    ……..
    Consider those seemingly great new employment numbers. It is clear that many workers who were temporarily laid off in March and April returned to work in May, such as employees at once-closed restaurants that opened up, or construction workers who returned to job sites.

    But it still left the economy with 19.55 million fewer jobs than existed in February. ……
    ……..
    Other data points to a severe but slower-moving crisis of collapsing demand that will affect many more corners of the economy than those that were forced to close because of the pandemic.

    New orders for manufactured goods, for example, remained in starkly negative territory in May, according to the Institute for Supply Management; its index came in at 31.8, far below the level of 50 that is the line between expansion and contraction.
    ……
    And despite the net gain in employment in May, there have been many announced layoffs at companies outside sectors directly affected by the pandemic. …….
    ……..
    Last week, the Congressional Budget Office tried to put a number on the aggregate economic activity that will be lost over the next decade compared with what was projected at the start of the year. That number is $15.7 trillion, reflecting both less economic activity and deflationary forces that reduce prices.

    That is 5.3 percent less “nominal” output, meaning not adjusted for inflation, than had been forecast. For comparison, from 2008 to 2018, total nominal output came in 6 percent below the level the C.B.O. had forecast at the start of 2008.
    ……..
    The result is that what started as a disruption to the supply side of the economy has metastasized into a collapse of the demand side……..
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  190. Some have asked what “factual inaccuracies” the Op-Ed contained. Here’s what the NYT says:

    For example, the published piece presents as facts assertions about the role of “cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa”; in fact, those allegations have not been substantiated and have been widely questioned. Editors should have sought further corroboration of those assertions, or removed them from the piece. The assertion that police officers “bore the brunt” of the violence is an overstatement that should have been challenged. The essay also includes a reference to a “constitutional duty” that was intended as a paraphrase; it should not have been rendered as a quotation.

    Dave (1bb933)

  191. Thank you, Dana.

    nk (1d9030)

  192. For a very long time Fail Safe was my favorite movie ending, but for the last three years it’s been Death Race 2000 (the one with David Carradine).

    nk (1d9030)

  193. NYTimes Communications
    @NYTimesPR

    The @nytimes announced today that James Bennet, Editorial Page Editor since May 2016, is resigning effective immediately. Katie Kingsbury, who joined The Times in 2017, has been named as acting Editorial Page Editor through the November election.
    __ _

    GrilledTomatoes
    @TomatoesGrilled
    ·
    BREAKING NEWS: The @nytimes ministry of truth has purged an editor for failure to follow the appropriate narrative. The paper also announced they are promoting someone to the role saying, “…we trust our new choice will learn from this experience.”
    __ _

    JERRY DUNLEAVY
    @JerryDunleavy
    ·
    An op-ed from a U.S. senator did not meet the editorial standards of the @NYTimes, but op-eds by Vladimir Putin, Nicolas Maduro, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and the Taliban did.

    _

    harkin (d8e40a)

  194. I wholeheartedly approve the firing of James Bennett, and I have no clue what hay the cotton-pickers are trying to make out of it and that’s because they don’t have a clue either. They just want to b!tch about something.

    nk (1d9030)

  195. @199-
    Who’s Jerry Dunleavy?

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  196. An op-ed from a U.S. senator did not meet the editorial standards of the @NYTimes, but op-eds by Vladimir Putin, Nicolas Maduro, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and the Taliban did.

    And you know for sure that none of those editorials were edited and revised, how exactly?

    Dave (1bb933)

  197. John Bolton plans to publish a tell-all about his time in the White House in late June
    ……..
    The White House has not formally signed off on the tome, and officials in the Trump administration have delayed the book for months due to a classification review process led by the National Security Council.

    The president has said that Bolton should not publish the book until after the election and has called him a “traitor” in private for writing a negative tell-all book, The Washington Post has previously reported.
    ……..
    Bolton is planning to publish even if the White House does not give publication approval, people familiar with his thinking say, and believes he has removed all classified material.
    ……..
    The 592-page book is expected to provide an unvarnished and caustic account of life inside the White House from the national security adviser’s perspective. It is expected to describe the president’s decision-making process, his warring advisers and a number of foreign policy topics, from Ukraine and Venezuela to North Korea and Iran.
    ………
    People with knowledge of the book said it would be the most detailed criticism yet from a former administration official who served at a high level of government.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (f56c1e)

  198. ‘Bonfire of the liberals': New York Magazine faces backlash for ‘banning’ conservative columnist Andrew Sullivan from writing about anti-racism riots – or face the sack
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396935/New-York-magazine-faces-backlash-banning-conservative-columnist-writing-riots.html

    ‘Sullivan revealed on Twitter yesterday that his column wouldn’t be appearing. The reason? His editors are not allowing him to write about the riots,’ the post claims.

    The blog cited a source ‘close to New York Magazine’ who said Sullivan ‘has to have his work vetted by sensitive junior editors to make sure it doesn’t trigger them.

    ‘If it passes their sniff testing, it can be published.’

    beer ‘n pretzels (adb87e)

  199. “‘Sullivan revealed on Twitter yesterday that his column wouldn’t be appearing. The reason? His editors are not allowing him to write about the riots,’ the post claims.”
    __ _

    Diversification in everything but thought.

    The purge this year has been awe-inspiring, from Drudge to the Times and beyond.
    _

    harkin (d8e40a)

  200. And the brave Mr. Sullivan is allowing himself to be silenced to protect his paycheck?

    Dave (1bb933)

  201. https://thepostmillennial.com/new-york-professors-celebrate-the-destruction-of-their-city

    More indoctrination to create radicals and perpetual victims from those trying to burn society to the ground.

    NJRob (9bee56)

  202. And the brave Mr. Sullivan is allowing himself to be silenced to protect his paycheck?

    You read “craven New York Mag editors” and heard “brave Mr. Sullivan”.

    beer ‘n pretzels (adb87e)

  203. You read “craven New York Mag editors” and heard “brave Mr. Sullivan”.

    No, I heard Sullivan playing the victim card when he’s free to write and publish anything he wants.

    Sullivan is infamous for his flights of callow self-indulgence and overwrought emotionalism.

    Dave (1bb933)

  204. You read “craven New York Mag editors” and heard “brave Mr. Sullivan”.

    No, I heard Sullivan playing the victim card when he’s free to write and publish anything he wants.

    Sullivan is infamous for his flights of callow self-indulgence and overwrought emotionalism.

    Both of these things can be correct. NY Mag is deliberately censoring Sullivan and Sullivan is an overwrought emotional hysteric.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  205. If Mr. Andrew Sullivan, who will always hold the record for “Gay Man Most Obsessed With A Woman’s Uterus” (and if you don’t know what I’m talking about you don’t belong in this particular discussion), is being paid by NY Mag then he should write what NY Mag wants him to write for NY Mag’s demographic. It’s not censorship. It’s making the product to specifications.

    nk (1d9030)

  206. Even loony liberals realize – if you take away the cops, who is Karen going to call when she only gets nine nuggets in her 10-piece happy meal?

    mg (8cbc69)

  207. Outrage fatigue. It’s summer, WuFlu is done, people want to live a normal life again. Riots, looting and then defunding the police? I don’t think so. It’s a bridge too far for most. The enemy is getting sloppy. More than a week of 24 hour second amendment advertising really did them in. Huge miscalculation. As the latinos protect properties black looters want to destroy its another huge miscalculation by the democrat planned b.s.

    mg (8cbc69)

  208. @ 145 Rip Murdock

    I watched the video of the chainsaw-wielding man in McAllen, threatening protesters, cursing, using racial slurs. It was shocking. But that report was from a news channel in San Antonio, which is 300 miles north of McAllen.

    None of the local channels reported on the story, or if any of them did, I missed it. I asked my mother if she knew or heard anything about it, because she’s very up-to-date on local news. She didn’t and hadn’t, so I showed her the video. She laughed.

    That sort of thing just doesn’t happen down here. In fact, there weren’t any protesters until last week. And they were young people, high school and college students, bored, frustrated, because school is not in session and businesses are closed. They have little opportunity for summer employment, thus they’re acting out, caught up in the moment.

    These protesters didn’t march in the streets. There hasn’t been any vandalism, looting or arson. Mostly they just stood on the sidewalks in small groups, holding signs.

    Then this lunatic with a buzzing chainsaw comes up, frightening them, telling them to go home, cursing, using racial slurs, blaming Antifa–he was like some insane Trumpian. That’s more than a little odd, because the Rio Grande Valley is hardly Trump country.

    Anyway, I checked the Monitor’s website. It’s the McAllen newspaper. They reported on the story, but did not include the video link. Here’s the latest update.

    https://www.themonitor.com/2020/06/06/17000-bond-man-wielding-chainsaw-protesters-mcallen/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  209. mg, they don’t have anything better to do. 40 million without jobs, all college kids taking bozo online classes, and this undercurrent of pressure to post a selfie at a protest, it’s clever politics. It’s basically a new version of Trump’s rallies, in every downtown, where if things get out of hand, it actually is even better politics.

    We’ll see if the nuts scare the republicans into voting. I think there will be a lot of polarization from that, but not enough to save Trump. If Biden is smart, he picks a tough on crime VP. If Trump is smart, he runs with Condi (LOL like she would ever help Trump). If the GOP is smart, they invent a time machine and go back and unanimously impeach Trump.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  210. Some have asked what “factual inaccuracies” the Op-Ed contained. Here’s what the NYT says:

    And I read their bit of pre-dissing on their site. It’s a lot of after-the-fact hair-splitting. Cotton’s piece was almost entirely factual, and those things the Times complains about were either opinions about diversely-reported events (Antifa or not Antifa), or style issues. In any case the standard of their hindsight review is clearly more stringent than they impose on the Left.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  211. @216: Yes, this, pretty much. When mg is right, he is right. Be interesting to see who wins that Minneapolis council by-election in August.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  212. Poll of 511 epidemiologists (on what they do or will do personally)

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/08/upshot/when-epidemiologists-will-do-everyday-things-coronavirus.html

    Some of these minority choices look crazy. 3% will never take their own mail – unless they are not doing that anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  213. 70 coronavirus testing sites were destroyed in the rioting.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe9fb2)


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