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6/4/2020

Trump To Law Enforcement: Do Better, People!

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:51 pm



[guest post by Dana]

President Trump was interviewed yesterday by Fox News personality Brian Kilmeade. When asked about how the President would change things, with regard to law enforcement and the killing of George Lloyd, Trump said…well…you can read below what he said:

KILMEADE: So you have a pandemic and a national unrest. Two unprecedented things that I would argue in my lifetime and probably yours. But the big picture I thought we would be talking about the day after George Floyd’s tragic death, which I think you agree it seems that law enforcement — you don’t want to convict someone before they have trial. But 96 percent of the country thinks that was out of bounds — the knee on the neck killed him.

I’m one of them. Again wait (ph) to see where the trial comes out. But this is the one stat I’m going to bring you to, and I’m going to ask you if could attack this.

According to a Axios-Ipsos poll, 70 percent of white Americans say they trust the local police. Only 36 percent of African-Americans do. How do you attack that problem? How do you change things?

TRUMP: Well I think it’s a very sad problem. As you know as a Republican I’m doing very well with African-Americans and with the vote with the — in polls and everything — especially I mean I haven’t seen one very recently because you had the plague come in from China.

So that changed things up, but we had the best economy ever. We had the best numbers for African-American on employment and unemployment in history. Best homeownership — best everything. We had the best numbers in everything — not only African-American, but the African-American numbers were great.

KILMEADE: How do you handle the law enforcement part?

TRUMP: Well I think you have to get better.

KILMEADE: How do you handle the law enforcement part of this?

TRUMP: They have to get better than what they’ve been doing. I mean obviously that was a terrible thing. And I’ve spoken about it numerous times in various speeches.

And what’s interesting is I spoke about it when we launched a very successful rocket — a tremendous program that culminated on that day and obviously it goes on from there.

But I then made a speech and it was a speech about the rocket, and I devoted 25 percent of the speech probably to what happened — or more — to what happened with respect to George — George Floyd, and it was — and then you listen to this, he doesn’t talk about George Floyd. The rocket went off, I then I made a speech, and I talked about George Floyd, but they said he didn’t talk about George Floyd.

Half — maybe even almost half of the speech, but a large portion of the speech was devoted exactly to that. And so, you know, with — with the media you basically — and basically no matter what you do, it’s never going to be good enough. But the people understand it.

KILMEADE: Right.

TRUMP: And that’s one of the beauties of social media. I mean, I would love not to even bother with social media, but I’m able to get my word out beautifully by social media fortunately. You use social media too.

KILMEADE: Right, also —

TRUMP: But we have to get the word out. Look, we have to — Brian, we have to get the police departments, everybody has to do better, has to do better. This is a long-term problem. This didn’t happen today.

This happened — I mean, a guy like Sleepy Joe Biden was in there for 43 years, and he says, I think we should do this, I saw today, he took his mask off for the first time in a while, I haven’t seen his face for a long time. And he said, I think we should do this, or I think we should do that.

And actually then he started speaking through the mask again. He feels comfortable with the mask on I think, and — even though there was nobody anywhere near him, which is interesting, but he made a statement about what he should do. I said, he’s been there for 43 years, he was vice president for 8 years, he didn’t do a thing. His crime bill was a disaster.

–Dana

174 Responses to “Trump To Law Enforcement: Do Better, People!”

  1. Okay then.

    Dana (0feb77)

  2. Uhh, rocket rocket rocket, very successful, greatest economy, sleepy joe, George Floyd (see I remembered his name, let me repeat it a couple of times, social media, wearing masks looks uncool, what was the question again?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  3. Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  4. If Biden was anywhere near this incoherent the bots, Ace, gateway, a couple of commenters here, would point to it as proof of brain damage.

    Is Trump showing brain damage? Was nk right about the chloroquine’s real purpose?

    Also, I’m guessing Trump’s prep amounted to a staffer ensuring he hadn’t forgotten George Floyd’s name.

    Trump’s stress of all these crises has to be compounded with the real consequences when the DOJ can actually pursue Trump next year, if Trump loses. Failure is not an option. It’s also inevitable.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  5. Vote Hillary guys.

    No, you should vote this guy.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  6. Masses to Trump: “Do less worse!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  7. Jeremy Faust MD MS
    @jeremyfaust
    In an important moment for science and data transparency, @thelancet announces that its 96,000 observational study on hydroxychloroquine has been RETRACTED.

    A sad story but an important one.
    https://hubs.ly/H0r7gh50

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremyfaust/status/1268615125323272192

    BuDuh (ef90b5)

  8. Vote Hillary guys.

    Right now, I’m considering writing in “Dead Richard Nixon.” Face it, this isn’t Jack Ryan vs Jed Bartlet.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  9. As far as brain damage is concerned, I have repeatedly said that Trump shows every sign of advancing Alzheimer’s, including short-term memory issues, mood swings and poor judgement.

    My problem with Biden is only that his platform is anathema.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. It makes so much sense. Trump’s cognitive decline under the pressure of constant failure and getting caught by the Mueller probe has been obvious. By having this sleepy joe campaign, at worst it’s a level playing field. Smart move, Trump, if nothing happens that requires you to perform well in your job.

    While I don’t plan to vote for Hillary in 2020, I would happily vote for Romney, Mcraven, Condi, a ham sandwich, Elmo

    Dustin (d59cff)

  11. I’ll give President Trump this much: He’s so crude and inarticulate that when asked a question about, for example, race relations he just immediately goes into talking points about black employment, black homeownership, etc. His predecessors, and here I am thinking especially of media darlings like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, would have also used the question to recite their talking points about why such-and-such group should be voting for them, though of course they wouldn’t have been so blatant about it. In that regard we can at least say that Donald Trump can’t be bothered with the banal niceties when demanding that we vote for him.

    JVW (30a532)

  12. Right now, I’m considering writing in “Dead Richard Nixon.”

    This reminded me of a Bloom County strip from waaaay back in the 80’s.

    I figured there was no way I’d ever find it, but I went looking anyway.

    Turns out it (re-)ran two days ago!

    Too funny!

    Dave (1bb933)

  13. My problem with Biden is only that his platform is anathema.

    My problem with Biden isn’t just his platform, it’s also the idea that electing him would be ensuring that the same crop of hangers-on and lifetime political operatives will once again be handed the levers of power. And if they’re not, it means that some angry young radicals will be. Trump’s best people are those like Betsy DeVos and Nikki Haley, who haven’t ever toiled in the swap of Washington. Biden would be bringing back into power every has-been hack from the Obama Administration and the Clinton Administration (both the real one and the one that never was), or the assorted attention-seekers from various DNC subcommittees and Ivy League humanities and social sciences departments. It would be a huge step backward having those guys back in the saddle.

    JVW (30a532)

  14. This was a good reason not to vote for Jeb Bush in 2016, by the way.

    JVW (30a532)

  15. If you ever want a Republican/conservative party you can support with pride and a clear conscience, Trump and his crew need to be run out of town on a rail. Extirpated. Crushed. Repudiated.

    The choice in 2016 was pay now, or pay a lot more later. Republicans decided not to pay now.

    Four years later, after horrific damage to both the country and the party, it’s the same choice.

    A one-term Biden is far preferable to a lame-duck (and completely unaccountable) Trump.

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. The damage to the GOP will not end if Trump loses. Trump will spend the next 4 years on TrumpTV running to be nominated again.

    DRJ (15874d)

  17. While they may be true, I believe four more years of Trump in office will do far more damage. And lasting damage, at that.

    Dana (0feb77)

  18. If you ever want a Republican/conservative party you can support with pride and a clear conscience, Trump and his crew need to be run out of town on a rail. Extirpated. Crushed. Repudiated.

    DRJ is right. The poisoning of the GOP won’t end with a Trump loss to Biden. At this point I’m willing to roll the dice and hope for the best with four more years of Trump. The saving factor about the mess that is the GOP is that the Democrats are also a mess, with an ugly split between the crony capitalists and the socialists. I don’t think Biden has anywhere near the ability to stitch together that mess, any more than Trump does to stitch together the GOP.

    Live for today; tomorrow will come soon enough.

    JVW (30a532)

  19. At this point I’m willing to roll the dice and hope for the best with four more years of Trump

    No

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  20. The president, (current or future) should embrace at least one BLM suggestion and mandate law enforcement officers video record themselves on the job. Suppose we had video of the Flynn interview, eh?

    Both public safety and public education employees are overly protected by labor unions, and “pass the trash” is a big problem. A federal/national “permanent record” of complaints (complete with video records documenting the actual events being complained of) should be available to those hiring new public employees, at least. (Arguably the records should be available to the public as well, but at least the people paying for the employee should know what they’re buying.)

    We have sufficient communication power that no agency or local government need investigate itself. Fort Worth can investigate complaints about officers in Dallas. The DEA can investigate the FBI. California prosecutor can review accused evil-doings in Oregon… The president can use executive orders to implement the DEA/FBI things, and encourage Congress to allow inter-state cooperation as legislation may be needed.

    pouncer (b0e023)

  21. The poisoning of the GOP won’t end with a Trump loss to Biden. At this point I’m willing to roll the dice and hope for the best with four more years of Trump. The saving factor about the mess that is the GOP is that the Democrats are also a mess, with an ugly split between the crony capitalists and the socialists. I don’t think Biden has anywhere near the ability to stitch together that mess, any more than Trump does to stitch together the GOP.

    I don’t agree. If Trump is on TV campaigning to run again, so what? It will have to be on his own cable network. Pretty sure no one else will be willing to air him, not even Fox. Also, if he runs again, I think it will be different because he is now a known quantity. During the campaign, he talked a good game, and sold a bill of goods, including a promise to drain the swamp. After 3+ years, the swamp is worse than ever, and he is fully immersed in it. Further, consider that if he’s yammering on TV and not in office, he will not have his hands on any levers of real power. To me, that alone makes it necessary to get him out of office. Let Biden have his four years, and then see if the GOP can run a solid candidate. I’m more willing to roll the dice on that than 4 more years of Trump.

    Dana (0feb77)

  22. @16 This.

    Nic (896fdf)

  23. 21. pouncer (b0e023) — 6/4/2020 @ 4:23 pm

    We have sufficient communication power that no agency or local government need investigate itself. Fort Worth can investigate complaints about officers in Dallas. The DEA can investigate the FBI.

    It shouldn’t be fixed. It shouldn’t be possible to tell in advance who’s going to investigate what. That leaves tthe possibility of a known bad agency investigating, but with it not fixed it wouldn’t be possible to set someone up. Also a person under investigation can ask for second or third opinion.

    Sammy Finkelman (981277)

  24. If Trump loses, there will be a significantly large membership in the Order of the Perpetually Aggrieved who will blame everybody except Trump and his two sons for the loss. OANN will be their versio of TBN. If Twitter finally shuts him down, he go on Gab. He’ll do whatever he can to be the center of attention and claim the mantle of abandoned hero and persecuted saint. And they will love it.

    The GOP will find they are Sinbad to his Old Man of the Sea.

    Kishnevi (fb892f)

  25. Pretty sure no one else will be willing to air him, not even Fox.

    That may be true, but Trump would still tweet, and the liberal media would still point out his crazy tweets, because it would make the Republicans look bad. Sure, some Republicans would denounce Trump, but his base would bridle at the denunciations, and it would be acrimony galore in the Republican camp come 2024, ensuring another Democratic win.

    I’m with JVW. Roll the dice and give Trump another four years. Then he will be termed out or perhaps dead, and the Republicans can hit the reset button.

    norcal (a5428a)

  26. Come September, comrades, Trump will not remember what office he’s running for.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. @ norcal,

    Sure, some Republicans would denounce Trump, but his base would bridle at the denunciations, and it would be acrimony galore in the Republican camp come 2024, ensuring another Democratic win.

    Here’s a question: after Trump is out of office, do you think Republican members of Congress will start distancing themselves, and even denouncing him? Especially those that are up for re-election? I do. And by the time the election rolls around, just how big will his base be? Especially if he isn’t given the opportunity, via Covid-19, to hold in-person rallies throughout the summer? One more thing, I can see, with the removal of Trump, the GOP will have time to fight it out on sidelines, and possibly come to a more unifying message, rather than the erratic and confusing one they now have. Also, if they can coalesce behind a candidate with half a brain, I think Trump followers will shift their support. I just don’t see the same kind of momentum building for him as last time. We’re already in June, and he hasn’t been holding rallies. The convention has been pulled from NC, and now the GOP is struggling to find a place that will allow it. I would even go so far to suggest that the GOP needs something or someone to collectively rally against, and pull the Republicans back together. Biden just might be the person to do that. Trump has successfully torn the party apart. Let Joe Biden put it back together again!

    Dana (0feb77)

  28. Not holding my breath waiting for the Anti-Trumpanzees to weigh in….

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/04/lancet-formally-retracts-fake-hydroxychloroquine-study-used-by-media-to-attack-trump-inbox/

    In use for over 60 years and deemed safe by the FDA for treating rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, as a prophylaxis for malaria, and off-label use cases, HCQ is being used by a plurality of health care professionals (including my son) to treat their patients as well as themselves.

    The “adult content model” and sci-fi writer – two of the six employees at Surgisphere, the provider of the data used by researchers of the now retracted studies – were not available for comment.

    Read The Guardian’s background on Surgisphere, which came out of nowhere with a trove of data that normally takes decades to accumulate.

    Egg, meet face.

    Mo Hawk (34efe6)

  29. Egg, meet face.

    And here I thought you were going to point us to a summary of the peer-reviewed literature and double-blind tests backing up the claim that HCQ is safe and effective for treatment of CV-19.

    Oh, that’s right, there still aren’t any.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. if mr. president donald trump’s supporters really loved him and had faith in him, they would all be on hydroxychloroquine

    with zinc

    and azithromycin

    with amoxicillin

    but they are not

    nk (1d9030)

  31. I find it hilarious that people think Trump should be giving Mayors and Governors advice on how to deal with police brutality or the petty details of how to prevent Cop X from sitting on someone’s neck for 8 minutes. The rules and laws are on the books, they just need to be enforced. And as Trump points out, Biden was “Co-President” for 8 years, and in the Senate for 35 years. During a lot of that time he was on the Judiciary Committee.

    So, what did Biden do to solve this problem? He has lots of plans NOW, but why didn’t he do anything with Obama. He was in power as late as 2016. What did slow Joe say about Ferguson? what did he and Obama do about it?

    But yeah, Trump sure was TERRIBLE. The Walls are closing in! We got him this time.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  32. So far we have MIttens, Mattis, and Sasse attacking TRump for walking across the street to visit a Church that was desecrated during the riots. We got David French and Jonah Goldberg defending the rioters and Antifa. Oops sorry, I mean “Peaceful Protestors” and what did Romney call them in 2017? – oh yes, “Antifa – fighters against racism and bigotry”. And a lie that Trump wanted people to insert cleaning fluid in their lungs and take HCQ without a doctors prescription.

    Every day brings endless lies about Trump from the FAKE conservatives who want 4 years of socialism and Biden and the Democrats who pose as the MSM. If Trump wins in November it will be a miracle, but the average American may not be a total idiot and save us.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  33. Does this mean you now think there’s a problem?

    Time123 (862e02)

  34. The LA Mayor wants to defund the police, so where are the Bulwark Boys and the Dispatch Gang? Are they going to make the “Conservative Case for getting rid of the Police”?

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  35. #34 Problem with what? Or this just more lame pushback?

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  36. and what did Romney call them in 2017? – oh yes, “Antifa – fighters against racism and bigotry”

    This is another bogus, made-up fake quote. Romney never said that.

    Dave (1bb933)

  37. So far we have MIttens, Mattis, and Sasse attacking TRump for walking across the street to visit a Church that was desecrated during the riots.

    “for walking across the street” Yeah, that’s all that happened in that 1 minute and 53 seconds. Nope, nothing else.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  38. @36, before you said there wasn’t any problem with police use of force. Trump made some comments that there was. I wondered if this made you change your mind.

    Time123 (862e02)

  39. “The Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.”

    Today is the anniversary of the “June Fourth Incident” when the Chinese government strongly and forcefully cleared Tiananmen Square in a manner that so inspired our President. A man of will such as he must have no qualms about what must be done, and therefore lawfulness, morality, principles, decency, humanity and any other such foolish weaknesses must be put aside. I’m sure this is all he meant by “do better”.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  40. You know when “the Dems” talk about how “republicans are or say” (this terrible thing) and most people look at that and go, “not really, not the ones I know.” rcocean is that guy the Dems are talking about. The one saying unbelievable, extremist, non-reality based things whose opinions are formed solely by the whim of whoever the most high profile far right person is. He is the poster child of conservativism that the far left can point to and go “Look, this person is extremely unreasonable and he says he’s a conservative. Don’t you think all conservatives are like that?” rcocean is a perfect example of 25% of the cause of the most divisive division of this country.

    Nic (896fdf)

  41. @40 – when did I say I there was NEVER a problem with the use of police force, in any situation?
    Never. But as usual this is just another trip down the Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole with you. It has nothing to do with what I wrote, and nothing to do with the topic. As usual.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  42. So far we have MIttens, Mattis, and Sasse attacking TRump for walking across the street to visit a Church that was desecrated during the riots.

    This is intentionally misleading, and you know that it is.

    Dana (0feb77)

  43. the only problem is people saying mean things about mr president donald trump

    lets hope we dont run out of vicious dogs and ominous weapons before theyre all lying in the street bruised and choking

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. So we went from taking down robert e lee, to letting the oldest church in the capital burn the atty general of massachussetts wants the whole country to burn we know well enough about ellisons bonafides.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  45. Minnesota council will dissolve the city council i think the new outfit will be called the cheka or the dergue

    Narciso (7404b5)

  46. Trump has now posted a letter calling the peaceful Lafayette Square protesters he had gassed, beaten, trampled and grenaded “terrorists”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. @43 thank you for answering. That’s pretty clear.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  48. This is another bogus, made-up fake quote. Romney never said that.

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/4/2020 @ 5:56 pm

    I see a lot of this kind of lie on facebook. I’m not a big facebook guy but I do have an account and I see a lot of goofy lie memes and quotes. I also see a lot of babylon bee articles presented with just the headline, no hint it’s satire unless you click through, and if you do click through, the satire is so light you may not realize the quote was a lie. That kind of propaganda coverage can really polarize low infos.

    I’m sure there is a version of this on the left.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  49. So we went from taking down robert e lee, to

    Narciso (7404b5) — 6/4/2020 @ 6:24 pm

    So a few years ago I worked overtime when they ripped out a bunch of those statues in the dead of the night. I was amazed at the tactical overpreparation, the swiftness of the action. They zealously guarded the secret location of the removed statues like it was some kind of biological weapon.

    At the time I was very sarcastic about the wisdom of all that. Now I’m not. It is damn convenient those statues aren’t sitting around in the middle of the night waiting for some fire.

    Trump represents the turning of a page in our lives. We’re all going to define our lives as before and after. Trump is basically another 9/11, an attack on the USA from our mortal enemies in Russia this time. I hope we make them pay.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  50. The oldest church in the capital burned because Mr. President Donald “The John” Trump, of whom it is written that he is a wife to women and a husband to men, was as competent in protecting it as he was in protecting the country from the coronavirus.

    Personally, I’d be too ashamed to use my failures as grievances, but then I have never filed for bankruptcy either.

    nk (1d9030)

  51. to letting the oldest church in the capital burn

    I know that in the basement in Moscow you don’t know much about US history or current events, but…

    A) No church burned, there was a fire in the basement of St. John’s Episcopal Church. Notice that Trump was standing in front a boarded up church, not a burnt up one. You can see the pastor of the church talk about how she was forced out by…not by the protesters.

    B) The oldest church in Washington DC is St. Paul’s Episcopal Church.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  52. I know that in the basement in Moscow you don’t know much about US history or current events, but…

    Is very unfair. Basement in Moscow strictly nekulturny!

    Like all nomenklatura, Comrade nk enjoy stylish party apartment in St. Petersburg with dacha on Black Sea for summer.

    Someday maybe even as big as mine.

    Dave (1bb933)

  53. I was responding to narc’s sarc.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  54. Add to the that the desecration of dozens of monuments included robert gould shaws in boston, the world war 2 monument in madison, their intentions are clear.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  55. Police shove an old man, who falls and cracks his head, then leave him bleeding on the sidewalk. Bufalo PD claims he “tripped”.

    https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1268723863531241474

    (the guy is visibly bleeding from his head, warning if you’re sensitive to that sort of thing)

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  56. then leave him bleeding on the sidewalk.

    “EMT on scene”
    It’s the reciprocal of your guy with the sword. What did he think he was doing? And the cops did not riffle his pockets.

    nk (1d9030)

  57. “And the cops did not riffle his pockets.”

    Ah, well, ok then.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  58. War Zone

    Another Lincoln Project truth bomb.

    “This is a time for choosing: America, or Trump.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  59. The Buffalo PD have suspended two officers because of that incident.

    Kishnevi (fdade6)

  60. Washington Post pushing the lunacy envelope:

    Shut Down All Police Movies And TV Shows. Now.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/shut-down-all-police-movies-tv-shows-now/?arc404=true
    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  61. Book burnings to follow…….

    harkin (9c4571)

  62. At this point I’m willing to roll the dice and hope for the best with four more years of Trump.

    I’m genuinely curious what (more…) Trump would have to do to change your mind.

    Assuming anything could.

    Dave (1bb933)

  63. So that opinion piece is less dumb than Cotton’s dumb one. It’s not like you were making some sort of free speech argument for Cotton, against the speech rights of protesters, literally in the same your. Do you ever get dizzy?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  64. Hour

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  65. Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    It’s not that Democrats have controlled Minneapolis police and police unions since 1975 that resulted in multiple cover ups of abuse, including the officers who murdered George Floyd. It’s definitely the Police Academy Movies.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    We’re at ban tv shows and ban OpEds but not one of these journalists has thought of voting out Democrat politicians who have run these cities for decades and allowed this brutality. Weird.
    __ _

    deepereyes
    @deepereyes
    ·
    Ban music by the Police

    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  66. Shut Down All Police Movies And TV Shows. Now.

    Let’s start with Training Day and Boyz in the Hood, which portrayed black cops negatively.

    Encouraging more young African Americans to become cops should be part of any reform, but that’s not what this WaPo knucklehead wants.

    beer ‘n pretzels (6bee5a)

  67. @62 Which shallow opinion pieces are we for or against news papers publishing, again? I’m confused.

    Nic (896fdf)

  68. C’mon Klink.

    Trying to draw a comparison between sending soldiers with automatic weapons, taking orders from a depraved sociopath, into our streets to brutalize protestors terrorists, on the one hand, and cancelling a few TV shows on the other, is really an insult to the sacred place cop shows occupy in our national culture.

    You should be ashamed.

    Dave (1bb933)

  69. “ Which shallow opinion pieces are we for or against news papers publishing, again? I’m confused.”

    You are completely confused if you think I’m against the Washington Post promoting an infantile tantrum for the world to see.
    _

    That’s the difference, freedom of speech.

    America, learn the rules.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  70. “infantile tantrum”

    Now that’s some irony.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  71. Btw – if you promote banning cop TV shows and movies, please acknowledge below.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  72. “How many police need to be murdered to satisfy the left?”

    Did you read the article?

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  73. @71 So is the NYT pushing conservative lunacy for publishing Cotton’s piece?

    Nic (896fdf)

  74. I say give it a day or so and then compare the percentages of Americans who agree with Cotton with those who think the afternoon showing of Hawaii Five-0 must not stand.

    It might give you a hint on the meaning of ‘shallow’.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  75. 1. Lost control of car during a high speed pursuit
    2. Brain cancer
    3. Traffic stop went bad
    4. Heart attack
    5. Covid
    6. “Died unexpectedly”

    Great article NJRob, keep ’em coming.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  76. Davethulu,

    glad you finally read an article. So what’s the answer, how many cops need to be murdered to satisfy the left?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  77. I’ve been posting links for days of cops murdered in cold blood, cops shot, cops run over, cops stabbed and you haven’t said a word. What suddenly made you respond?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  78. @77 It would have been possible for a person to write a serious editorial taking on the various pros and cons for putting the army in the streets, but Cotton didn’t write it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  79. “glad you finally read an article. So what’s the answer, how many cops need to be murdered to satisfy the left?”

    What does your question have to do with the article? There is one murder on that list (maybe, it’s probably felony homicide), which would probably not be reported widely even in less interesting times.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  80. Why would Rob read it, the truth is unimportant to him, by the headline there was a possibility he would be right, like Schrödinger’s article, but you looked and that collapsed the superposition function to a single outcome, Rob is wrong, he has a knack for crapping out.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  81. Klink,

    why are you suddenly responding when you haven’t remarked upon cops being murdered, being shot, being stabbed, being run over for days.

    Why is that?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  82. “I’ve been posting links for days of cops murdered in cold blood, cops shot, cops run over, cops stabbed and you haven’t said a word.”

    I’m not obligated to respond to all your posts.

    “What suddenly made you respond?”

    Because that post made you look like a buffoon.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  83. Davethulu,

    to prove a point. You’ve read every article I’ve posted and just don’t care. But when you think you can disprove something, there you go. So how many cops need to be murdered to satisfy the bloodlust of the left? What is the number? Come on. Share it.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  84. Cops lives don’t matter to you one bit, do they?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  85. I’m genuinely curious what (more…) Trump would have to do to change your mind.

    It has nothing to do with Trump. What you ought to be asking me is what Biden can do to win over my vote, and just saying “I’m not Donald Trump” isn’t good enough. Here’s a partial list that I would present to Biden:

    * stop with this nonsense of picking his VP based upon sex and race; he should find some silly boring centrist and be content with him or her, or he should do something super crazy like pick a moderate Republican and run on a unity ticket.

    * he needs a Sista Souljah moment with the woke McCarthyite left; at some point he has to tell them that their act is wearing thin, the nation does not revolve around their notions of historic grievances, and they do not get to unilaterally determine the standards by which the rest of us live.

    * he should demand that the University of Delaware open up his Senate papers, rather than using the ugly nexus of academia, journalism, and government bureaucracy to hide four decades worth of actions he has undertaken in an official capacity. He would also agree to come clean about the ways in which his family has benefitted from his government positions.

    What if Biden did this: How about he announces that he will be a one-term caretaker President, focused exclusively upon healing the divisions and trying to dig us out of the COVID-19 hole that we’re in. He promises there will be no major divisive issues sprung upon the country such as single-payer health care or the Green New Deal. Instead he encourages all parties to start focusing on the 2022 and 2024 elections, with the promise that the 2024 election will be a showdown between whatever remains of the Trumpist right, the non-Trumpist right, the traditional Democrats, and the young socialists. Then perhaps I would vote for him. But as it stands right now, I will just find some obscure fifth-party candidate to vote for or I will leave that section of my ballot blank.

    JVW (30a532)

  86. But monsters throwing rocks and curb stomping a guy within an inch of his life and then robbing him, that’s different.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  87. I swear to God, never before have we so needed another Calvin Coolidge in office, but it’s almost as if our modern system is designed specifically so that we never again get one of his caliber.

    JVW (30a532)

  88. “Cops lives don’t matter to you one bit, do they?”

    I’m also not going to respond to personal attacks.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  89. I’ll take that the same way in that you refused to admit the monsters that nearly killed a man for defending a bar were bad people. Good to know.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  90. It has nothing to do with Trump. What you ought to be asking me is what Biden can do to win over my vote, and just saying “I’m not Donald Trump” isn’t good enough.

    Thanks, but obviously that’s not what I asked.

    Assume Biden doesn’t deviate from whatever you think his positions are. What would Trump have to do for you to decide “taking a chance and hoping for the best” with him is probably more dangerous/harmful than doing same with Sleepy Joe?

    Dave (1bb933)

  91. JVW (30a532) — 6/4/2020 @ 9:51 pm

    It was a tough choice between which of these last two comments to reference.

    I’m glad you post. Thank you.

    frosty (f27e97)

  92. “I’m also not going to respond to personal attacks.”

    Looks like you much prefer to dish them.

    You didn’t care about him 3 days ago.
    Davethulhu (55869f) — 5/30/2020 @ 9:10 pm

    You also didn’t care 3 days ago
    Davethulhu (55869f) — 5/31/2020 @ 9:30 am

    beer ‘n pretzels (023920)

  93. “Looks like you much prefer to dish them.”

    Patterico called me (and you) out in that thread, so I’m trying to improve.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  94. JVW @ 88,

    How do you square this with your comment at 19?

    Dana (0feb77)

  95. Rob, are you actually interested in why we might think this isn’t as big a thing in the news and/or general conversation as you think it should be, or are you just interested in using as a baseball bat?

    Nic (896fdf)

  96. Speaking of doing better. Not the education system, I look for these ingrates at second tier schools to go bankrupt. Parents being able to view what goes on in a $75,000.00 a year zoom classroom will be canceling the overpriced b.s. spewed by idiot educators.

    mg (8cbc69)

  97. Dana @28, you said:

    Here’s a question: after Trump is out of office, do you think Republican members of Congress will start distancing themselves, and even denouncing him? Especially those that are up for re-election? I do. And by the time the election rolls around, just how big will his base be?

    I anticipate that some Republicans member of Congress will distance themselves from Trump. I predict that some of those who distance themselves will face primary challenges from pro-Trump candidates, and that some of the distancers will lose. I think the Republican Party will be split between those who criticize Trump and those who think that Trump was undone partially by Republicans who criticize Trump.

    I think these things because I have never seen a President with such a rabid base of support. Remember that guy in Indiana that got in Cruz’s face and spouted Trumpisms as if he were Trump himself? My neighbor has a big Trump flag on a wall inside his house. My nephew in Utah has a Trump sticker on the back of his i-Phone. Anecdotal, to be sure, but I see it elsewhere as well. The true Trump believers, which constitute a substantial bloc, are not just going to dissolve if Trump loses.

    Moreover, I highly doubt that Trump is simply going to retire to a life of quiet reflection if he loses. The smart money says he continues to throw rhetorical bombs and fire up his base. He might even run for President in 2024.

    No, I think the Republicans would be very divided if Trump were to lose, and the division would cost them the 2024 election, whether Trump runs again or not. Giving him another four years might be the most effective way of finally putting Trump out to pasture. Plus, it comes with the fringe benefit of better overall policy than would be had under Biden.

    norcal (a5428a)

  98. @99 From the viewpoint of the secondary level rather than university.

    I’m in public education, so it’s possible I might have a bias, but in all fairness, what is going on in distance learning is not nearly as much as happens in a regular classroom, so I assume that the indepentent/private school parents also probably aren’t getting an accurate viewpoint of what usually gets taught in class.

    Looking back on the difference between my brother’s public HS education (in a good school district) and my Catholic HS education (both of them longish ago), the only significant educational difference was if you want your kid to get the heavy religious indoctrination (no, I did not enjoy most of my religion classes, why do you ask). Probably if you have a targeted program in your not-a-public school there are other differences.

    I do have a fair number of contacts with others in professional education and the independent and private religious schools are doing somewhat more direct zoom lessons and personal tutoring, but their students also have more access to technology for zoom that a lot of public school students don’t (even my direct co-worker had to take her work computer home because they didn’t have the tech for her 2 kids AND her to work). They have less tangible work going home on the assumption that their students can access things like google-classroom, IXL (math) and other online programs.

    If you assume that most of the classes will be on zoom next year, I don’t think there’s a lot of motivation to pay that much money, but people also might want to hold the spot for their kid, or are more interested in the cache than anything else. However, even my best educated guess on what will happen isn’t a good predictor of the future at this point.

    Nic (896fdf)

  99. Giving him another four years might be the most effective way of finally putting Trump out to pasture.

    I heard this in Clayton Williams’s voice.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  100. JVW, could Trump indeed shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without losing your vote?

    How about a few hundred people on K Street NW??

    Dave (1bb933)

  101. Let’s hope this passes with enough bipartisan support to override a veto:

    Bill Would Prevent the President from Nuking Hurricanes

    Dave (1bb933)

  102. Cops lives don’t matter to you one bit, do they?

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/4/2020 @ 9:49 pm

    NJRob,
    I know this wasn’t addressed at me but I’ve been thinking about some points you made so I want to respond. I still don’t think I have it figured out so bear with me. It’s tragic when anyone is harmed, it’s worse when it’s someone that accepts a job that comes with the risks that being an officer does. Policing is a tough job and people that do it even moderately well deserve our respect. There are legitimate protesters, and people with them who are criminals that should be caught, prosecuted and held accountable for their actions. There are officers doing a good job trying to keep the peace while people exercise their legitimate right to protest and officers using excessive force in ways that look to me like they should be caught, prosecuted and held accountable for their actions.

    The existence of bad officers doesn’t negate the existence of good officers any more than a violent member of a protest negates the existence of all the rest. There’s plenty of examples of both. A normal person can go from good to bad in a blink. It’s a tense situation, people are yelling and excited. I can understand how someone with every intention of behaving properly can slip and start shoving/throwing things/beating people with batons. Doesn’t mean I excuse it but I can see how it would happen.

    While it’s easy and emotionally satisfying to make this about people we disagree with justifying extremes I don’t think that fixes the problem.

    The officer that Killed George Floyd had 17 accusations of excessive force. Maybe they were all bogus but in 2017 the city paid $25,000 because the officer that kept bystanders from interfering beat an innocent man for no reason. I don’t think the solution is NO POLICE. I don’t think the solution is SHUT UP AND SALUTE THE COP. I think the solution is good, effective policing.

    Sorry about the book length comment.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  103. 105. Peelian principles of community policing:

    1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.

    2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.

    3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.

    4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.

    5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.

    6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.

    7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

    8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary, of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.

    9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

    So if you were to ask me, “How can the cops do better, Gryph? What would your solution be?” It would be to engage in Peelian training in every last police department in the United States, no matter how large or small. This is what good policing looks like.

    Gryph (08c844)

  104. Rob, are you actually interested in why we might think this isn’t as big a thing in the news and/or general conversation as you think it should be, or are you just interested in using as a baseball bat?

    Nic (896fdf) — 6/4/2020 @ 11:13 pm

    I’d be very interested. I admit my marks are colored by his adamant defense of the monsters that brutally beat the guy in Texas that was defending his favorite business with a sword.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  105. Your comment wasn’t remotely too long Time123. It was timely.. Thank you for it.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  106. @108 it sucks that everything about this sucks.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  107. I feel like [political discourse has absolutely cratered and we are stuck in the following loop:

    If you don’t like what is being said, call it Fake News
    If you don’t like an individual or his/her policies, they’re part of the swamp
    If someone criticizes the President, call them Never-Trump
    If they continue to criticize the President, just mutter “Orange-Man bad”
    If the facts are damning, say Obama did worse
    If the Obama comparison is inapt, move on to Hillary
    If Hillary doesn’t work (!!!!), roll your eyes about the phony Russian Investigation
    If Ukraine comes up, Biden is corrupt as hell and this or that about the Deep State
    (It never hurts to bring up Comey and Peter Strzok and more eye rolling)
    If someone is not voting for Trump, claim that they will allow socialism to take over
    (Feel free to insinuate that they voted for Nancy Pelosi or call them a Bernie Bro)
    All else fails, blame the unfair Lame Stream Media
    (remember Fox News and Talk Radio gives Real News)
    Rinse and repeat….and mix and match as appropriate

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  108. and mayor bowser, is kicking the guard out of new york, the mobs ‘space to destroy’ having been limited by the same militia,

    narciso (7404b5)

  109. We’ve not gotten to the point where if a bunch of thugs set fire to A CHURCH – that is a historical treasure, that’s no big whoop! Maybe if it’d be a mosque or synagugoue people would care. And park service has issued a statement showing “the Protestors” were NOT a bunch of peaceful lambs, which is why they had to use pepper spray to clear them.

    So, we now have “center-right” types and libertarians standing with the Thugs and rioters against the President of the USA when he tries to visit a Church – accross from the White House. What is the use of these so-called Conservatives, when they are indistinguishable in their utterances and actions from the Left? I”m looking forward to David French’s “The Conservative case for Socialism”.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  110. #110 (remember Fox News and Talk Radio gives Real News)

    – Fox news is fake news. I mean, take a look at those polls and Chris Wallace. Nothing but deep state disinfo. I realize it’s hard to keep up. Even fearless leader Trump has difficulties remembering what he just said.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  111. Here’s a question: after Trump is out of office, do you think Republican members of Congress will start distancing themselves, and even denouncing him?

    Denouncing Trump for what? Trying to pass the Republican agenda? Refusing to resign over the Fake Russia-Collusion hoax? Giving the USA the best ecomony in 50 years (before the virus)? LIsting to all the medico experts and locking the country down? Trying to fufill the R prommise to build a border wall? Or maybe they can dencounce all the R judges Trump has appointed and the tax cuts.

    Here’s the thing. People like MIttens and Susan Collins hate Trump because he either stands for what the R’s CLAIM to stand for, or he stands for the American worker and middle class. Meanwhile, MIttens is a total fraud, and is disapponted Trump isn’t working with Pelosi to pass open borders, amnesty, and appeasing the Chicoms with more one-sided trade deals.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  112. the times has been wrong in sanford, ferguson baltimore, they carried water for the murder of ambassador stevens, the defamation in nevada and oregon, the cartel quartermastering in fast and furious, the ransom to the sepah, the terrorist attack in orlando, those are just a few real media malpractice moments,

    narciso (7404b5)

  113. Time123 (af99e9) — 6/5/2020 @ 5:32 am

    I know this wasn’t addressed at me but … I want to respond

    This

    The existence of bad officers doesn’t negate the existence of good officers any more than a violent member of a protest negates the existence of all the rest.

    , aka existence isn’t really the issue. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid reason to protest or that good protesters don’t exist and I don’t see that as a common position.

    Bad cops delegitimize the organization. Rioting and looting delegitimize valid protests. This isn’t a claim I’m making in a vacuum.

    We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence.
    In spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.

    verses

    Please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful.

    Sharpton started well:

    “You don’t do it by appearing criminal yourself,” Sharpton said. “We are not the ones that inflict the pain. We are the ones that have been pained, and our reaction must show that and highlight that. Otherwise, people will exploit that and change the focus into demonizing those that conduct themselves in a violent way rather than those saying, as the Floyd family is saying, we want justice.”

    I think he’s trying to deflect here with his framing. It isn’t demonizing or exploitation to see rioting and looting as a problem. But he ran off the rails a little

    “Some of the stores that are being damaged are black-owned stores!” Sharpton exclaimed. “So we cannot become so reckless that we are destroying each other in our rage.”

    frosty (f27e97)

  114. This is intentionally misleading, and you know that it is.
    Dana (0feb77) — 6/4/2020 @ 6:20 pm

    Isn’t burning a church “desecrating it”? If not, what is it? Imagine if a bunch of conservatives – peaceful protesters – had vandalized that Church during Obama’s presidency. I doubt everyone would be so cool with it and be angry with the park service protecting Obmama when he paid a visit.

    As Rush stated, the D’s, the Media, and the so-called never-trumpers (Most of whom are just D’s at this point) must destroy the image of Trump striding out of the white house with a bible to visit a church that’s been vandalized. SO, they’ve latched on to the fiction that some “peaceful protestors” were “Tear gassed” for NO REASON other than Trump wanted a PHOTO OP.

    I must say, while completely false, this is excellent PROPAGANDA. Pravada would be proud.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  115. The level of hatred and virtriol displayed on this blog is a clear example of why this country will never come together. We are in a cold civil war that is going to get hot and this country will reap the whirlwind. No one is really interested in solving problems. We are content to sit back and point fingers and demonstrate moral superiority over the enemy.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  116. Notice we’re never given any DETAILS about these “peaceful protestors”. Who were they, exactly? Why is the park police wrong in saying they were violent and refused to clear the area, 15 minutes prior to curfew? How and when was the Church vandalized? Whe did the press say “Tear gas” was used when it was pepper pellets? Why did the protestors refuse to leave the area when asked, so the President could SAFELY walk to the Church?

    Nope, all we get is the propaganda line, over and over. And Romney and Sasse piling on, to show how much they hate Trump and stand with the Democrats.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  117. Well, from a literary criticism perspective, the proper way to interpret The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is through knowledge of geography and meteorology. Coleridge certainly had that.

    https://poets.org/poem/rime-ancient-mariner

    Wind currents follow ocean currents. In the northern hemisphere the currents run clockwise. In the southern hemisphere they run counter-clockwise. However, along the equator in between, there are no ocean or wind currents. These are the doldrums, the last place a sailing ship wants to be. The only way out is to row.

    The albatross is a soaring bird. It doesn’t flap its wing except to takeoff and landing. It simply catches the trade winds and soars from one continent to another. Birds use their abdominal brains to track electro-magnetic fields.

    So, there’s this ship, stuck in the doldrums, and there’s this albatross, a little bit lost. All the mariner had to do was follow the albatross back to the trade winds and safety. Instead, he shot the albatross, and it doomed the ship and crew.

    That’s exactly where the GOP is now, in the doldrums. The RNC shot the albatross, and it doomed the ship and crew. Now there is no way out, no way to clear sailing.

    Donald J Trump, who thinks his middle initial stands for Jesus, is a total fraud and a complete failure.

    Joe Biden is the architect of everything that is wrong with this country right now. So he’s not the solution to the problem.

    Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian candidate, has no experience in office and offers little.

    I have no one to vote for. So I’m going to ask for a write-in ballot, and write in the candidate of my choice. That would be Justin Amash.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  118. 118.The level of hatred and virtriol displayed on this blog is a clear example of why this country will never come together

    I see no hate, except hate for Trump. Which is off the charts. Why should the country “Come together”? When has it ever “Come together”, except during WW II and 1950s? You want a divided country, go back to the 1960s. We had riots back then, that make the current ones look like Child’s play. We had leftists, like Bill Ayers, planting bombs and killing people for fun. We had Black Panthers (supported by Hollyweirdos like Marlon Brando) assasinating policemen.

    Now, that was a divided country.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  119. Time123 (af99e9) — 6/5/2020 @ 5:32 am

    Well said!

    Dave (1bb933)

  120. I have no one to vote for. So I’m going to ask for a write-in ballot, and write in the candidate of my choice. That would be Justin Amash.

    You have no one to vote for. That’s interesting. You got a choice Biden or Trump. You want Pelosi and Schumer runnnig the country? Well fine. Don’t complain to me, about high taxes and socialism in 2021.

    You remind me of all the Dumbos I knew in California. They wouldn’t vote for those “damn Religious right Republicans” and now they’re crying tears about rent control, taxes, and high regulations. Well, you wanted it – you got it.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  121. Anyone rcocean would vote for, I would not vote for.

    Leviticus (3eb64b)

  122. well experience in office, is overrated, what do they believe,

    narciso (7404b5)

  123. rcocean (119):

    You ask who these protesters are. See pages 18-22 of the document at this link for some idea. Note that protesters claim there was no request to disperse. The cops just came at them.

    https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/black-lives-matter-dc-v-trump

    Also, in all seriousness, do you think the Secret Service and Barr would allow Trump to wade into a place where, moments before, there was active rioting going on?

    Appalled (1a17de)

  124. Went to bed last night wondering what the crowd who required coloring books and play-doh to deal with an election result would come up with next…….

    They did not disappoint:

    MADDIE ❀
    @PromNig74191126

    Today I showed my solidarity for #blacklivesmatter by shaving my head in protest. #gobaldforblm i feel amazing
    __

    Showing solidarity by shaming themselves and mimicking nazi collaborators and the Manson Family.

    I know people in the past have expressed support for cancer patients by shaving their heads, are they also implying…. nah never mind.
    __ _

    Attack Yuuki
    @yuuki_attack
    ·
    In honor of essential employees everywhere, I did my hair and went to work yesterday.
    __ _

    Sparkling Jules
    @Coolish_Breeze
    ·
    I’m curling my hair because poodles matter
    __

    Waltarchist
    @OnstadWalter
    ·
    Meanwhile the International Space Station said they are picking up virtue signals from around the globe.

    __

    harkin (9c4571)

  125. mr. president donald trump, whose tragedy is to always get caught in his zipper and never learn how to line up a button fly, has served his karmic purpose in this life

    to teach america that democracy is for the greeks and the swiss

    not for wretched refuse from teeming shores

    it is time for him to move on

    nk (1d9030)

  126. meanwhile that lancet study, collapsed like neil ferguson’s imperial college model, or one of the world war one era triplanes,

    narciso (7404b5)

  127. “ If you don’t like what is being said, call it Fake News
    If you don’t like an individual or his/her policies, they’re part of the swamp
    If someone criticizes the President, ”

    __ _

    If the target shopping center or business (or church, or defenseless person you wish to clobber) is protected by cops or the National Guard, move on to the NEXT target shopping center, or business….
    _ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  128. narciso (7404b5) — 6/5/2020 @ 7:32 am

    That might be a ray of sunshine. Hopefullly all of those protestors aren’t needing medical care in two weeks.

    frosty (f27e97)

  129. frosty (f27e97) — 6/5/2020 @ 7:42 am

    I commented before getting into my daily news. I’ve seen some articles that make me think I misunderstood narciso’s comment.

    I didn’t have a sarc tag on. I do hope protestors don’t get or spread COVID.

    frosty (f27e97)

  130. this skinner box, has been hard on many, it kills the most vulnerable, has laid waste to countless businesses, led indirectly to this fracas,

    narciso (7404b5)

  131. “ Anyone rcocean would vote for, I would not vote for.”
    _

    I would guess that RC (if old enough) voted for Reagan, who was the last Republican I voted for in a Presidential election.

    I also will not be voting for one of the two major party candidates in the Nov. election but I never base it on who someone else supports.

    The really amazing thing about the Dems and the Never-Trumpers is how far they go out of their way to convince Americans that a vote for Trump might not be the craziest option.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  132. Frosty, This is a great comment:

    Bad cops delegitimize the organization. Rioting and looting delegitimize valid protests. This isn’t a claim I’m making in a vacuum.

    Bad cops don’t deligitimaze the need for police. They are examples of either a staffing problem, or a systemic problem that needs to be addressed.

    Time123 (797615)

  133. “ Bad cops don’t deligitimaze the need for police.“
    __ _

    I agree but there are a lot of people who feel otherwise. Look at Baltimore after they declared cops, and not criminals, the problem.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/will-baltimore-die-15171.html
    __ _

    “They are examples of either a staffing problem, or a systemic problem that needs to be addressed.”
    __ _

    Your first hint is to investigate which political party and public unions controls these cities completely and refuses to hold bad cops accountable.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  134. Lots of city councils and mayors virtue signalling that they are going to defund the police.

    Escape from New York* (choose your own leftist city) here we come.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  135. Obviously, with “do better”, Trump was channeling Melania.
    The Atlantic has some good prescriptions that Trump won’t read.

    Paul Montagu (211372)

  136. 137. Time123 (797615) — 6/5/2020 @ 8:02 am

    Bad cops don’t deligitimaze the need for police.

    They do to “Black Lives Matter”

    https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/03/black-lives-matter-co-founder

    While she understands the desire to hold individual officers accountable for their actions, Cullors says the demand to defund law enforcement and reinvest the money in black communities is what can achieve justice for black Americans.

    “The demand of defunding law enforcement becomes a central demand in how we actually get real accountability and justice,” she says, “because it means we are reducing the ability of law enforcement to have resources that harm our communities.”

    Which I think goes a long way to prove that “Black Lives Matter” is a pro-crime organization.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce04e1)

  137. The last line is mine, of course.

    It is a pro-crime organization and needs to lie.

    Make no mistake about it, there is a pro crime lobby, which is having some success. It is not accidentally pro crime, it is intentionally pro crime.

    There are people who profit from criminal activity, like drug dealers, so I don;t find this at all impossible..

    Sammy Finkelman (ce04e1)

  138. https://twitter.com/lisabendermpls/status/1268644819628224513

    Go ahead. Dismantle the police department. See what happens.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  139. the atlantic with amanda ‘human sacrifice’ mull, re the georgia reopenings, lol, the ones that let coates slanders stick, that publication,

    https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/06/food-for-thought-excited-delerium.html

    narciso (7404b5)

  140. SO, they’ve latched on to the fiction that some “peaceful protestors” were “Tear gassed” for NO REASON other than Trump wanted a PHOTO OP.

    Except it’s not a fiction. The fiction is the one you’re peddling.

    Paul Montagu (211372)

  141. they pushed the bogus social distancing, that even sky marshal ferguson insists now, wasn’t effective, but sweden was,

    narciso (7404b5)

  142. I think it is a loosely organized organization but it is probably a domestic organization. If so, the tools/laws to deal with it may be different than dealing with international organizations.

    DRJ (15874d)

  143. narciso, it’s probably wise to question the guy who can’t spell delirium.

    Paul Montagu (211372)

  144. for NO REASON other than Trump wanted a PHOTO OP.

    When Trump went to St. John’s (with cameras rolling), had a priest forced off the grounds, posed in front of the church holding up a Bible and with a transparently feigned look of deep seriousness, then left without going inside or speaking with anyone representing the church, was it for SOME REASON other than a PHOTO OP?

    Radegunda (89f220)

  145. The really amazing thing about the Dems and the Never-Trumpers is how far they go out of their way to convince Americans that a vote for Trump might not be the craziest option.

    Actually, it’s Always Trumpers who go out of their way to convince Americans (or themselves) that Trump might not be crazy.
    Anyway, that sentence doesn’t say what you probably intended to say.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  146. mr. president donald trump, whose religious credentials are unquestionable because he has a cousin who knows all the words to the Hallelujah Chorus, just wanted to show people what a Bible looks like

    and what better place for that than in front of a church?

    nk (1d9030)

  147. “ Actually, it’s Always Trumpers who go out of their way to convince Americans (or themselves) that Trump might not be crazy.”

    Not realizing that both could be true is a huge tell.

    “Anyway, that sentence doesn’t say what you probably intended to say.”

    Incorrect. It says exactly what I meant to say. I always love the mind-reading on these boards.

    Reading is fundamental.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  148. “The really amazing thing about the Dems and the Never-Trumpers is how far they go out of their way to convince Americans that a vote for Trump might not be the craziest option.”

    So, who are DEMs and Never-Trumpers saying are even crazier choices?

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  149. #153: Show some examples Dems and Never-Trumpers “go[ing] out of their way to convince Americans that a vote for Trump might not be the craziest option.”

    Radegunda (89f220)

  150. IOW, show some examples of Dems and Never-Trumpers trying very hard to make the case that a vote for Trump is more rational than a vote for someone else.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  151. Sorry say what?

    I was distracted by riots, looting, arson and other destruction by people saying defund the police and it’s all due to racism while ignoring the horrible pathologies in the community.

    And oh yeah both the police actions and the destruction in response is happening in cities owned and operated by the DemocraticParty.

    Now tell me I must vote to put this same party in charge of the Executive Branch.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  152. @107 This is obv. just my opinion, then, but I don’t think it gets talked about much hear because I think we pretty much agree that killing police officers is bad and obviously people tend more to discuss points of contention rather than points of agreement. I also think most of us know that there is a difference between the regular protestors, the more violent ones, and looters and that looters and violence are bad.

    In the greater community, I think it’s several things. I think part of it is that it’s a more dangerous career field and so some aspect of danger isn’t surprising. Part of it is that some people feel this is the chickens coming home to roost. Part of it is that some of the police are participating in violence against protestors and so violence met with violence isn’t surprising. Part is that most people also are delineating between the looters and the regular protestors and the more violent ones and, while some people think the violence is justified, most also are in agreement that violence is bad, so there isn’t much need to discuss it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  153. Your first hint is to investigate which political party and public unions controls these cities completely and refuses to hold bad cops accountable.

    That’s the last thing that would ever occur to many of these folks.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  154. Is the food for thought for a friday post resizing/blinking like crazy for any one else?
    I am on an Ipad and it does it regardless of browser: Safari, Firefox, or Brave..
    the other posts (such as this one) are fine.

    kaf (bd613c)

  155. I’m not having issues with it, but sometimes twitter embeds can cause problems for some people, so maybe that’s the issue?

    Nic (896fdf)

  156. harkin (9c4571) — 6/5/2020 @ 10:05 am

    It took me a couple of re-reads to get it but I had your meaning before the hint. Nicely done.

    frosty (f27e97)

  157. maybe, but i was able to view it earlier, when it had maybe 20 comments. i’ll try again later.

    kaf (0ff60d)

  158. Kaf – no issues on iPhone.

    harkin (9c4571)

  159. ‘Trump To Law Enforcement: Do Better, People!’

    Trump to mirror: Do better people! Ivanna to Marla to Melania– and eh, Captain, sir?!

    “O’Brien to Ryan to Goldberg…” [Gene Kelly, Frank Sinatra & Jules Munshin] ‘Take Me Out To The Ball Game’ 1949

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. @107 This is obv. just my opinion, then, but I don’t think it gets talked about much hear because I think we pretty much agree that killing police officers is bad and obviously people tend more to discuss points of contention rather than points of agreement. I also think most of us know that there is a difference between the regular protestors, the more violent ones, and looters and that looters and violence are bad.

    In the greater community, I think it’s several things. I think part of it is that it’s a more dangerous career field and so some aspect of danger isn’t surprising. Part of it is that some people feel this is the chickens coming home to roost. Part of it is that some of the police are participating in violence against protestors and so violence met with violence isn’t surprising. Part is that most people also are delineating between the looters and the regular protestors and the more violent ones and, while some people think the violence is justified, most also are in agreement that violence is bad, so there isn’t much need to discuss it.

    Nic (896fdf) — 6/5/2020 @ 10:08 am

    I don’t think there is universal agreement that killing cops is wrong. Plenty on the left feel that killing cops is a good thing just like they said the only good solider is one that frags their officers. Lots of sick people out there and plenty more that sympathize with those sick people even if they “wouldn’t do it themselves.”

    NJRob (4d595c)

  161. I doubt there is universal agreement that killing looters is wrong. And if NJRob is correct, then I also doubt there is universal agreement that killing protesters is wrong, especially those on the right who view protests as anti-American or treason.

    DRJ (15874d)

  162. There is near universal agreement that killing anyone is wrong except in self-defense or the defense of others or to prevent a serious crime, and that it includes both cops and looters. Personally, I have no interest in the opinions of people who disagree, except maybe as a warning to keep away from them.

    nk (1d9030)

  163. Before 2015, I would have said there is near universal agreement that Donald Trump is not fit to be President. I don’t think there is near universal agreement on anything now.

    DRJ (15874d)

  164. Trump thinks his supporters would give him a pass on shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and he may be right. If so, can we really say there is “near universal agreement that killing anyone is wrong except in self-defense or the defense of others or to prevent a serious crime.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  165. DRJ,

    the left is reliving their glory days and replacing Vietnam Vets with Cops in calling them murderers and treating them accordingly.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  166. Ok, DRJ. I’ll amend it to “There is near universal agreement among people of worth ….

    nk (1d9030)

  167. And the thought that Trump would actually have the nerve to draw a bead on somebody, or that his stubby little hands could hold a gun steady or squeeze off a shot, just made me smile. Like most everything else about Trump, his fantasy is a parody of a manhood he never had.

    nk (1d9030)

  168. the left is reliving their glory days and replacing Vietnam Vets with Cops in calling them murderers and treating them accordingly.

    Ok. What is the right’s excuse?

    DRJ (15874d)


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