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6/3/2020

Mattis Rips Trump in Statement

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:35 pm



This speaks for itself:

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

. . . Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict— between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part.

. . . .

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

Wow.

82 Responses to “Mattis Rips Trump in Statement”

  1. We really need more of the mature leaders who would prosecute people for walking on dry sand in violation of restrictions and also kneel before a mob.

    frosty (f27e97)

  2. We really need more of the mature leaders who would prosecute people for walking on dry sand in violation of restrictions and also kneel before a mob.

    That has the benefit of being so vague that it’s impossible to determine how dumb it is.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  3. Must have been asleep for eight years during Obama.

    harkin (9c4571)

  4. White House tweets out a picture of a supposed Antics brick/rock cache.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1268268724693467136

    They were in reality bollards protecting a Chabad synagogue in California.

    The tweet was eventually deleted but not before the synagogue had the bollards removed.

    Kishnevi (eaa946)

  5. “That has the benefit of being so vague that it’s impossible to determine how dumb it is.”

    Here’s my attempt at translation:

    The “sand” thing is people arrested at the beach during the covid lockdown.

    The “kneel” thing is a number of national guard personnel kneeling in front of a protest (not a mob). It’s a bad take because it conflates the protesters with the vandals and looters.

    Davethulhu (93f68f)

  6. Must have been asleep for eight years during Obama.

    Eloquent rebuttal!

    Dave (1bb933)

  7. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.

    The Dems heard “mature”, and overshot it with “senile”.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b2a70c)

  8. Both with the coronavirus and with the riots, Trump has been worse than worthless, and it’s not funny. He has been an incompetent, ignorant hindrance in the first instance, and a provocateur fanning the flames in the second. WTF, he got honey or something on his wrinkled old orange ass that the likes of Cruz, Cornyn, and Cotton keep licking it, and it takes old generals and admirals, who’ve spent their whole lives avoiding civilian politics, to speak up?

    nk (1d9030)

  9. “Eloquent rebuttal”

    I’ll let the Great Unifier speak for me.

    https://twitter.com/_Miller__Lite_/status/1268025928447336449?s=20
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    harkin (9c4571)

  10. nk, they are trying to protect the institution, the US Armed Forces, in which they spent almost all their lives in.

    Kishnevi (eaa946)

  11. They’ve arrested three men in Nevada on charges of planning to use the protests as cover for violence.

    But they were definitely not Antifa
    https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/06/03/3-held-terror-charges-spark-violence-las-vegas-protests/3139032001/

    Kishnevi (eaa946)

  12. Vote Dem!

    Vote Biden!

    Bring the principals of unity that permeates every Dem owned-and-operated urban center to YOUR city!
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    Ian Miles Cheong
    @stillgray

    New York City. You won’t see any of this on CNN.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1268176768822685696?s=20
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    Remember when Escape From New York was only a movie?
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    harkin (9c4571)

  13. Eric Garcetti issued a number of orders, one of which triggered a debate over whether people should be penalized for congregating at the beach. He recently took a knee among chants of defund police as a show of solidarity with Mostly Peaceful Protestors who were probably getting worried that they weren’t close enough to any of the good stores to get the best loot. He’s not the only one hoping the kneeling will save them.

    The kneeling thing is the most recent demand by the mob. We’ll see how it plays out. It does have a really cool kneel before Zod vibe.

    frosty (f27e97)


  14. Christopher Ingraham
    @_cingraham
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    NYT reports that some sources will no longer be providing them with information as a result of the Cotton op-ed. https://nytimes.com/2020/06/03/business/tom-cotton-op-ed.html?smid=tw-share
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    Amy Qin
    @amyyqin
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    Surreal and horrifying to wake up on the morning of June 4 – the 31st anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown – to this headline.
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    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
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    Does every reporter pushing the Tiananmen Square narrative realize that today a former high level cabinet member formerly in charge of national defense came out against the nation’s President and the worst punishment he’ll face is a mean tweet?

    You absolute clowns.
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    harkin (9c4571)

  15. It would have been a big mistake not to massacre the students in Tienanmen.

    “The power of strength”. The Great Leader said so himself.

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. Hey, who said there was no good news today

    Reuters
    @Reuters

    WHO set to resume hydroxychloroquine trial in battle against COVID-19 https://reut.rs/3cv5Dzz
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    Wonder what changed?
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    harkin (9c4571)

  17. Does every reporter pushing the Tiananmen Square narrative realize that today a former high level cabinet member formerly in charge of national defense came out against the nation’s President and the worst punishment he’ll face is a mean tweet?

    You absolute clowns.

    What an idiot. In America we have a Constitution, with that one amendment in it, you know, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    A thing that the place with the square doesn’t have, because it’s feckin’ Jina.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  18. A former Obama administration intelligence official who worked in both the Departments of State and Defense has guaranteed bail for a human rights lawyer accused of firebombing a police vehicle in New York City.

    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/former-obama-intelligence-official-helps-secure-bail-for-molotov-cocktail-throwing-nyc-lawyer/
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    There’s still time to do more unifyin’!
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    harkin (9c4571)

  19. nk, they are trying to protect the institution, the US Armed Forces, in which they spent almost all their lives in.

    I understand, Kishnevi.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. It would have been a big mistake not to massacre the students in Tienanmen.

    “The power of strength”. The Great Leader said so himself.

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/3/2020 @ 9:17 pm

    We were told he was just joking around, and that it was hysterical Trump Derangement Syndrome to be worried that Trump could use the military against civilian protesters. Say what you will of the MAGA hats and the KKK and the BLM, but when Trump wanted to show strength he did exactly what he said he would do.

    2020 has a long way to go. I am very concerned about how Trump handles senior military leadership in coming months.

    I’ve said it so many times I know this is annoying: the GOP must kick him off the ticket. They will probably lose anyway but there are more important things. If possible, the 25th amendment could save lives. We do not need a lame duck Trump being vicious in his payback.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  21. Bexar County GOP chair suggests Floyd killing may have been staged to hurt Trump

    Poor Donald. Always the real victim of any tragedy or atrocity.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  22. Obama and boosh generals could not win a war against a bunch of sand dwellers. Pathetic.

    mg (8cbc69)

  23. Obama and boosh generals could not win a war against a bunch of sand dwellers. Pathetic.

    Neither could Alexander the Great, Mauryas, Muslim Arabs, Mongols, British, Soviets, and the United States.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  24. Great news – Miss Lindsey is losing ground in S. Carolina.

    mg (8cbc69)

  25. Obama and boosh generals could not win a war against a bunch of sand dwellers.

    Both wars were won by the time Dubya left office. Then they were un-won.

    Much easier to “dominate the battlespace” when it contains unarmed, mostly law-abiding American civilians, I guess.

    Dave (1bb933)

  26. Read it all here! Proof of Deep State Uncovered!

    Mattis too? There was Tillerson, McMaster, Kelly and Bolton. Throw in Manigault Newman and Scaramucci. We can now clearly see the divulgence of the Deep State that our President was warning us about.

    noel (4d3313)

  27. “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet” James Mattis.

    And even this guy thinks Trump is dangerous.

    noel (4d3313)

  28. Eric Garcetti issued a number of orders, one of which triggered a debate over whether people should be penalized for congregating at the beach. He recently took a knee among chants of defund police as a show of solidarity with Mostly Peaceful Protestors who were probably getting worried that they weren’t close enough to any of the good stores to get the best loot. He’s not the only one hoping the kneeling will save them.

    The kneeling thing is the most recent demand by the mob. We’ll see how it plays out. It does have a really cool kneel before Zod vibe.

    frosty (f27e97) — 6/3/2020 @ 9:00 pm

    Do you think taking a knee is a act of submission or an act of solidarity with policing reforms based on the Failed Collin K. protests during football games?

    Because if it’s meant as solidarity and derided as submission what would you have them to do to signal “We have a job to do in keeping order but we want to end/reduce the use of unnecessary violence by LEO.”?

    Rioters, looter, and agitators won’t care. But there are a lot of people who fall outside that group that will.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  29. Anybody watching emboldened criminals riot and loot nationwide with seemingly no fear should know City Journal saw this coming. Probably the only thing they missed is the Dems and media pouring gas on the idea that cops and white supremacy were the root cause of problems in the urban communities.

    “ Influential progressive groups have reinforced the anti-law-enforcement narrative, funding campaigns to soften criminal laws. In 2014, for instance, George Soros’s Open Society Policy Center and the American Civil Liberties Union, together with some technology millionaires, financed a successful California ballot initiative to reduce penalties for nonviolent property crimes, such as shoplifting, grand theft, fraud, and forgery, with the aim of ending “mass incarceration” in the state.

    If a theft amounted to less than $950 in value, Proposition 47 held, it would henceforth become a mere misdemeanor. Backers raised $10 million and outspent opponents, such as California police organizations, by 20 to one. Subsequent to Prop. 47’s passage, petty crime has predictably risen in California’s largest cities. Cops have seen a surge in organized “smash-and-grab” rings, which snatch purses and cameras from tourists and shatter car windows to steal any valuables inside—in San Francisco, car break-ins soared by 30 percent in 2015.

    Shoplifting gangs have made life hell for retailers in many California municipalities. “We’ve heard of cases where they’re going into stores with a calculator so they can make sure that what they steal is worth less than $950,” Robin Shakely, Sacramento County assistant chief deputy district attorney, told a local TV station. The lack of serious penalties for such “minor” offenses has reportedly made police less inclined to pursue the perpetrators.

    New York is unlearning the past, too. When New York police began prosecuting low-level crimes, such as subway fare-beating, in the late 1980s, they found that many of the perpetrators were wanted for more serious crimes as well.

    But in 2017, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. announced that his office would stop prosecuting fare-beating and similar low-level offenses, so that his office could focus on “serious crime.” An epidemic of turnstile-jumping has predictably resulted. Twice as many people in New York now commit the offense as five years ago. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is losing more than $200 million a year as a result of fare-beaters, intensifying the agency’s budget squeeze. And who knows how many hardened criminals have been among the cheaters?

    Soros funding is also helping to elect progressive prosecutors, whose chief intent seems not to punish crime but instead to reshape the criminal-justice system to make it less punitive. In Philadelphia, Soros backing boosted criminal-defense and civil rights attorney Larry Krasner in his winning campaign for city district attorney. Though Philadelphia’s crime rate is nearly 50 percent higher than the national average,

    Krasner’s attorneys have stopped seeking bail conditions for many of the accused; lowered charges against accused murderers, so that they can avoid mandatory-minimum sentencing under Pennsylvania law; and pledged never to use the death penalty. He’s promised not merely to seek the easing of laws against quality-of-life crimes but also to push for reduced sentences for violent criminals. In one controversial case, a Philadelphia man who shot a store owner during a robbery faced attempted murder, aggravated assault, and robbery charges, but Krasner struck a plea deal for a sentence of between three and a half and ten years. Six months later, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, William McSwain, leveled federal charges against the shooter, rebuking Krasner. “Potential criminals on the streets of our city are not stupid. They pay attention to what is happening at the District Attorney’s Office,” McSwain explained. “They’ve become emboldened. They think they can literally get away with murder.”

    https://www.city-journal.org/progressive-policies-urban-dysfunction
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    Vote Dem if you think these policies are a good idea nationwide.
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    harkin (9c4571)

  30. Both in one day. Current Defense Secretary Esper challenges the President by saying he does not believe that the use of the Insurrection Act is appropriate. And former Defense Secretary Mattis describes his old boss this way: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,”

    There was a time when this would have been big news. Really, really big.

    MAGA MAGA

    noel (4d3313)

  31. Time123 (69b2fc) — 6/4/2020 @ 4:44 am

    You, and you aren’t alone, are trying to make a clear distinction between the protesters and the mob. All of these protests have the implied threat of violence backing them up. Most of them devolve into violence. BLM and Antifa are marxist direct action groups so violence is baked in. These aren’t peaceful they’re just a different version of “you’ve got some nice stuff, let’s hope nothing else gets destroyed”.

    Have you seen the groups of people on their knees chanting contrition at the behest of a bullhorn? Do you think any of that is solidarity? It’s either agreement or begging.

    After several nights of violence the mob demands people take a knee. You think agreeing will end/reduce the violence? You will get more of what you reward and once you’re on your knees it’s going to be hard to stand up straight again, assuming the mob lets you.

    frosty (f27e97)

  32. “Militarizing our response….sets up a conflict—a false conflict— between the military and civilian society”

    This is adult-in-the-room stuff….thinking about institutions…..and the big picture. With Team Trump, it’s only about the brand….and all institutions…..are there to be leveraged or attacked to serve the brand. There is no vision separate of the brand. It’s just sad and chilling that so much of the GOP has fallen for this con. It’s going to be a long road to recovery….

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  33. I don’t like looting. I abhor the police executing people for petty crimes. I don’t care for a President who wants to inflame the situation either. It’s really not that hard to be consistent on all of these things. Is it?

    noel (4d3313)

  34. “we want to end/reduce the use of unnecessary violence by LEO”

    Few people disagree with this….as few people defend or excuse the actions of Chauvin….but the rubber hits the road as to what should be done and what obstacles must be overcome. Minneapolis is far from controlled by white nationalists or southern rednecks. The mayor is a Democrat. The city council is dominated by Democrats. The governor is a Democrat. The police chief is a man of color. If the problem is with police grievance boards…..what specifically is the fix? If the problem is with not hiring enough black officers, what is the fix? If the problem is better screening of anti-social applicants, what is the fix? What exactly is standing in the way of Democrats making substantive changes……what dark malevolent force is impeding progress….or is the reality that these are tough complex problems that are simply hard to solve….and no amount of marching, chanting, or looting changes that….

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  35. Frosty

    You, and you aren’t alone, are trying to make a clear distinction between the protesters and the mob.

    Yes. I think there is a distinction.

    All of these protests have the implied threat of violence backing them up.

    That’s true of any protest. The implied threat is lower here than it was when Anti-Social distancing protesters went in heavily armed.

    Most of them devolve into violence. BLM and Antifa are marxist direct action groups so violence is baked in. These aren’t peaceful they’re just a different version of “you’ve got some nice stuff, let’s hope nothing else gets destroyed”.

    We disagree here. I don’t that that represents the whole protest any more than Proud Boys represent all conservatives. I agree that political fringe groups that feel violence and chaos will help them are trying to make this worse. I think there’s evidence that these fringe groups are from both left and right.

    You think agreeing will end/reduce the violence?

    I think they protesters have a legitimate point, I think taking that seriously and committing to work to address it will. I also think there are plenty of examples of city leadership showing doing that which ended with peaceful protests.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  36. Oh, I can easily tell you what the problem is AJ_Liberty, and it should not be a surprise. For the past half century, the liberal ideal in hiring and recruitment has been the “lowest common denominator”. Just barely qualified. Why? Diversity! Equal opportunity! But along with achieving diversity and equality, they also achieve Chauvins, Thaos, Kuengs, and Lanes.

    nk (1d9030)

  37. A mob is not an implied threat. It’s an express threat. It’s a flexing of the “we’re strong because we’re many” muscle. And so what?

    nk (1d9030)

  38. @36,
    1. The caricature of democrats as wild eyed extremists that want to turn the US into a ultra-woke commune is just that, a caricature. Klobochar and Harris were legitimate presidential contenders and both worked as Prosecutors. They’re part of the system, they’re part of the LEO process. They did a good job / were competent persecutors.
    2. LEO and their unions are powerful constituencies for the both the left and the right.

    Much like education reform the people with different vested interests in the situation have a lot of influence in both parties. This isn’t a case where Dem’s want one thing and the GOP wants another and putting Dems in charge addresses the problem. I think it’s fairer to say that Dem’s agree there is a problem and the GOP doesn’t fully agree. That’s a difference but it’s a smaller one.

    Time123 (80b471)

  39. Time123 (69b2fc) — 6/4/2020 @ 5:56 am

    The implied threat is lower here than it was when Anti-Social distancing protesters went in heavily armed.

    This might be the most head in the sand statement I’ve seen from you. Are you that intimidated by 2a that the threat of violence there was greater than what we’re seeing after several days of actual violence? You have to be aware of the fact that people have been beaten and killed as part of these riots because we’ve discussed that here.

    fringe groups are from both left and right.

    These peaceful protestors can’t be held responsible for the violence, why it must be the right and whites who are responsible in some way (let me make sure I say left and right just to seem fair) and these poor unfortunate protestors really can’t be expected to do anything about that. Sorry, I don’t accept this lack of agency argument. I would have agreed with this if this was the first time this has happened or if this hasn’t been going on day after day. Whatever peaceful protestors exist are being used as cover by the violent agitators and we’re too far into this for willful blindness to explain it away.

    frosty (f27e97)

  40. Frosty writes, “All of these protests have the implied threat of violence backing them up”

    Aren’t there quite a few peaceful protests out there? Like the one near the White House that was attacked with pepper spray and the use of batons. Are you concerned about who would have done that to them? You know. Since you are concerned about violence and all.

    noel (4d3313)

  41. how many churches need to burn, general, or is that on the cohen group supplied cue card, grifting for qatar,

    narciso (7404b5)

  42. Time123, my point wasn’t to make this Republican vs. Democrat….just to point out that the black community has a very strong voice in the Democrat Party. If the black vote splits 70/30 for Democrats instead of the customary 90/10, the Democrats are eviscerated. So….what exactly are the Democrat solutions and who exactly is impeding those solutions that people need to protest? You can’t point to a block of intransigent Republicans on the Minneapolis city council…and say they are frustrating change….the block just doesn’t exist.

    Certainly some problem lies with the police union….so what is the solution? Is busting the union and hoping to retain a police force the solution? Maybe a month without any police would show the short-sightedness of that play. I get the frustration….Chauvin has to have the book thrown at him….and those that enabled him need some punishment too….but let’s not pretend that Republicans have some sort of secret power to change this Minneapolis dynamic…..no one publicly is defending or excusing Chauvin….everyone agrees it was wrong and should be punished. If what is needed is more training on community relations and de-escalation….then raise taxes and get it done. What exactly is stopping the action?

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  43. These peaceful protestors can’t be held responsible for the violence, why it must be the right and whites who are responsible in some way (let me make sure I say left and right just to seem fair) and these poor unfortunate protestors really can’t be expected to do anything about that.

    This badly miss-characterizes what I said. It’s documented that agitators from right and left wing extremists have tried to use the protests. I don’t know how big a % either is, my gut is that there will be more left wing extremists trying to make things worse, but I can’t prove that.

    Time123 (80b471)

  44. It brings up the question: Why did Mattis only discover this AFTER he was fired by Trump? Or was it he quit? I can’t remember. I do remember he was fired by Obama. Did the General Praise Obama after that?

    Probably like Trump, I’ve been shocked over the last 3 years to discover how many of our Top Military men are liberals in uniform or are primma donnas more interested I serving their own interest then the country. The old Generals saluted, said Yes, Mr. President, and did they damndest to carry out orders. Today, they run to Press to preen and make political points.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  45. What Mattis and Mullen and possibly even Esper know, and Trump does not know, is that Trump’s military is not Eisenhower’s military. Eisenhower’s military slogged through the battlespace in boots and engaged the enemy mano a mano. Only a very few of Trump’s military do that anymore. They browse through the battlespace sitting behind computer screens and engage the enemy with long-range missiles. Not what you want to do in American cities, I hope?

    nk (1d9030)

  46. Matthis doesn’t even get the facts right Without evidence, he says Tear gas was used. It wasn’t. See the statement by the DC Park Police. And no I don’t want to play “word games” over what is “tear Gas”. IT wasn’t CS gas.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  47. IT wasn’t CS gas.

    I’m sure that made a world of difference to the law-abiding people who were attacked with it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  48. Matthis doesn’t even get the facts right Without evidence, he says Tear gas was used. It wasn’t. See the statement by the DC Park Police. And no I don’t want to play “word games” over what is “tear Gas”. IT wasn’t CS gas.

    rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/4/2020 @ 6:54 am

    I think at this point everyone knows the claim that tear gas was wasn’t used is a lie. Repeating the lie won’t make it true. It just makes you a liar.

    Riot control agents (sometimes referred to as “tear gas”) are chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin.

    Several different compounds are considered to be riot control agents. The most common compounds are known as chloroacetophenone (CN) and chlorobenzylidenemalononitrile (CS). Other examples include chloropicrin (PS), which is also used as a fumigant (that is, a substance that uses fumes to disinfect an area); bromobenzylcyanide (CA); dibenzoxazepine (CR); and combinations of various agents.

    Time123 (80b471)

  49. #47 Agree. A lot of these generals, are really peacetime soldiers, desk-bound warriors. And then there are the Affirmative action babies, and those who knew that sending out the right political signals (mostly liberal) would get you promoted under Obama and Clinton. I’m wondering if Obama stacked the Generals and Admirals with the same type he put in at the FBI and CIA.

    But I’m still shocked at the selfish egotism, and concern for good press, shown by Kelly, Mattis and even Flynn. Some of the people in charge of the Army, Navy, Air Force Departments, haven’t been much better. I’m still trying to figure out what the beep the Navy Secretary was doing over that USS Roosevelt’s Captain.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  50. they tell you through their spokesmen, angela davis, they want the abolition of police and prisons, the stanford dean, quotes assata shakur, a revolutionary and bankrobber, who fled to cuba, what part of this do you miss,

    narciso (7404b5)

  51. @46, honest question for you RC, do you feel it’s possible from someone to disagree with President Trump or be critical of him in a significant way and still be worthy of respect? If so, can you name anyone fits that description? Not planning to argue with you on it, but would love to know what you think.

    Time123 (80b471)

  52. mattis was for the forever war in afghanistan, which he couldn’t reasonably explain how another 18 years would be any different than the last ones, meanwhile his qatari sponsors back the taliban, hamas, et al, the same one he ran interference for when he was at the pentagon, aljazeera, through the acquisition of current, pushed the urban unrest theme for years,

    narciso (7404b5)

  53. What Mattis and Mullen and possibly even Esper know, and Trump does not know, is that Trump’s military is not Eisenhower’s military. Eisenhower’s military slogged through the battlespace in boots and engaged the enemy mano a mano. Only a very few of Trump’s military do that anymore.

    But the Great Leader knows!

    “But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out – if we didn’t have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can’t just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn’t care. It was hand-to-hand combat.

    Dave (1bb933)

  54. LOL LOL LOL What kind of wartime soldier is Trump?

    The Fifth Avenue draft-dodger thinks landmines are vaginas. So bite me with your Cadet Bonespurs, Trumpkins!

    nk (1d9030)

  55. Finally, I was REALLY disappointed that General Mattis uses the hysterical language of the Liberal/left media. Judas Priest, he sounds like Anderson Cooper and not a 4 star General and former head of the DoD. Moving Rioters out of the way, to protest the POTUS is not “Violating their Constitutional rights!” Gee, and where was Gen. Mattis when those protesting the Lockdown were fined and arrested?

    Nor is there any evidence, these Riots, (oh, sorry “Protests”), are about “Racism” or some oppression of Black America. Large numbers of the rioters are white leftists, and domestic terrorists like Antifa who are USING The Floyd death to loot and destroy. Trump and EVERYONE has condemned the Police for the wrongful death of Floyd and the Policemen have been fired and charged with 2nd degree murder. So, what is all the rioting For? Trump doesn’t have to “Unify the country”, the rioters just need to stop rioting and go back to making their points by peaceful means.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  56. #57 And what kind of solider was Clinton, Obama, and BIden. CLinton was a draft dodger and proud of the way he lied his way out of serving. Obama hated the military and Biden dodged the draft with some phony exemption. So, of course, you will attack them – just like you attacked Trump. Right?

    Other than Gore (who spent 1 year as some phony military Journalist) the only boomer President or Presidential Candidate to serve in Combat was John F’n Kerry. And he called his fellow Vietnam Warriors “Worse then Genghis Kahn” and threw his medals away. Or maybe it was someone else’s medals. Or his ribbons, Or whatever.

    rcocean (2e1c02)

  57. i don’t know why those stupid rioters refuse to do mr. president donald trump’s job for him, either

    they’re like that stupid coronavirus in that respect

    nk (1d9030)

  58. the frameworks institute is building this brave new world, where ‘microagressions’ will not exist, nor any free thought, nor any carbon,

    narciso (7404b5)

  59. Clinton and Obama, they yesterday’s news. Biden, if he starts doing what Trump is doing then, yeah, I will treat him like Trump. I’m egalitarian that way.

    nk (1d9030)

  60. maybe you really admired the n 17, they were really brave attacking the democratic regime of karamalis, but the injustice in the system surely,

    narciso (7404b5)

  61. Instead he tries to divide us.

    During the Obama administration, half the country thought Zimmerman was a racist hunting Black kids, the other half of the country thought that was a lie.

    During the Obama administration, half the country thought “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” was real, the other half thought it was a lie.

    During the tRump administration even hannity and rush thought the George Floyd killing was wrong.

    Interesting the public reaction to racism under two different presidents.

    BillPasadena (e482e2)

  62. “I am…an ally of all peaceful protesters.” Donald Trump, 6/1/2020.
    Except when they get in the way of a craven photo op in front of St. John’s Episcopal.
    Except for the NFL players who take a knee during the national anthem.
    Except for the ones at his campaign rallies (“Maybe he should have been roughed up.”)

    Paul Montagu (05d753)

  63. Except the students at Tienanmen Square, whom not killing would have been “blowing it”.

    Dustin (d59cff)

  64. I don’t mind talking tough when it’s a tough guy doing it. When it’s a braying jackass in a lion’s skin ….

    nk (1d9030)

  65. Probably like Trump, I’ve been shocked over the last 3 years to discover how many of our Top Military men are liberals in uniform or are primma donnas more interested I serving their own interest then the country.

    I think they believe that by protecting the military from a civilian commander-in-chief who is using the military to further his political campaign, they are serving the country.

    DRJ (15874d)

  66. I’m still shocked at the selfish egotism, and concern for good press, shown by Kelly, Mattis and even Flynn.

    I’m still amazed that Trump-defenders can keep pretending to be deeply offended by the very sins that are most conspicuous in their hero but somehow not at all objectionable in him.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  67. its acceptible to burn down a church, by their own words, they want to burn this country down, are you fine with that, apparently,

    narciso (7404b5)

  68. ….Biden dodged the draft with some phony exemption…

    Student deferments and asthma. Sort of like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  69. @70-
    Agreed. The lack of self-awareness is amazing.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  70. Iran Frees Navy Veteran Held for Two Years
    Iran has freed Michael R. White, a Navy veteran held in that country for nearly two years, and he was on his way home, his mother announced on Thursday in the United States.
    ……
    The release of Mr. White, 48, a cancer patient who had been infected with the coronavirus while incarcerated in Iran, came a day after an Iranian scientist held in the United States was returned to Iran.

    American officials had insisted the two cases were not linked. But Iranian officials had suggested last month that once the scientist, Sirous Asgari, was back in Iran, they would look favorably at permitting Mr. White to go home.
    …..
    At least three other Americans, all with dual U.S. and Iranian citizenship, are known to be in custody in Iran. They are Siamak Namazi, a business executive, his father, Baquer Namazi, a former Unicef diplomat, and Morad Tahbaz, an environmental activist. All were accused of collaboration with the United States.
    ….
    In December, Iran freed Xiyue Wang, a Princeton graduate student charged with spying, in a swap for an Iranian scientist who had been convicted in the United States on charges of violating American trade sanctions.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  71. Mitt Romney:

    Romney praises Mattis: “he expresses his opinion in a very
    powerful and stunning letter”

    “I think he’s an American patriot of extraordinary service and sacrifice and great judgment”

    Dana (0feb77)

  72. @52 Have you considered that it isn’t everyone else having a “leftist agenda”, but that the problem is that Trump has been making some objectively terrible choices?

    Nic (896fdf)

  73. it isn’t everyone else having a “leftist agenda”

    Indeed. All the disagreements I have with leftist agendas and all the sins of leftist radicals do not cancel out the vile absurdity of Donald Trump.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  74. Kelly just did an interview backing Mattis.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  75. Again, all these generals and no stinking oup-cay.

    urbanleftbehind (734a61)

  76. The Marines don’t like Trump very much. This is a read.

    A Moment of National Shame and Peril—and Hope, John R Allen

    The slide of the United States into illiberalism may well have begun on June 1, 2020. Remember the date. It may well signal the beginning of the end of the American experiment.

    The president of the United States stood in the Rose Garden of the White House on Monday, railed against weak governors and mayors who were not doing enough, in his mind, to control the unrest and the rioters in their cities, and threatened to deploy the U.S. military against American citizens. It was a stunning moment. But, in particular, it was notable for three important reasons.

    First, Donald Trump expressed only the barest of condolences at the murder of George Floyd, but he also said nothing about the fundamental and underlying reasons for the unrest: systemic racism and inequality, a historic absence of respect, and a denial of justice. All of these factors are centuries old and deeply engrained in an American society that systematically delivers white privilege at the expense of people of color.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  77. Harkin, at 16: and yet the protestors who would be killed at the hands of the army, were the army to be used to “dominate” the situation as the President wants, would be just as dead as the protestor run over by the tank.

    The fact that the United States is not doing one of the evil things associated with the Tian An Men crackdown does not, per se, insulate us from the observation that we are talking about doing a different one. Nor does it make the people who denounce Tian An Men with one breath while praising using the army to kill protestors with the other any less hypocritical.

    aphrael (7962af)

  78. Criticism from former military leaders like Mattis (who are generally respected by everyday folks on the right) may hurt Trump, perhaps especially with evangelicals.

    DRJ (15874d)


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