The Protest/Riots Summed Up in One Video
[guest post by JVW]
I have found the recent news highly depressing to say the least, so I’ve purposefully avoided making much comment on it because there is so much to say yet none of us seem to be all that willing to hear out all sides. But I think the video embedded in the tweet below perfectly encapsulates what we have seen since the end of last week. [Warning: coarse language alert, and it looks like this might be one of those videos that won’t play in the tweet embed, so just click through to the actual tweet. Thanks Colonel Haiku for the heads-up.]
This is so nuts. Sad, but kind of hilarious pic.twitter.com/9fHBDX8FP9
— Ami Horowitz (@AmiHorowitz) June 2, 2020
I’ll leave it at that.
– JVW
As Mr. Horowitz writes, sad but kind of hilarious.
JVW (54fd0b) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:06 pmI get a “media cannot be played” message
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:15 pmI don’t think the crocodile will eat those two last.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:16 pmColonel, click through to the actual tweet. It plays there.
Kishnevi (1d03eb) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:24 pmThey are just not that into you.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:27 pmIt looks like this might be one of those videos that won’t play in the tweet embed, so just click through to the actual tweet. Thanks Colonel Haiku for the heads-up.
JVW (54fd0b) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:41 pmI wouldn’t say this “sums up” anything.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:42 pmI wouldn’t say this “sums up” anything.
Duly noted.
JVW (54fd0b) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:43 pmThanks, kishnevi, my iPad is not performing well… I’ll give it a shot.
A list (sans links) of “peaceful protest” videos:
Man stomped and stoned for trying to defend a bar from being looted
Destroying store and beating unarmed woman and her husband
Beating and stomping guy on the ground Santa Monica
Restaurant manager beaten and stomped for trying to defend his workplace
Stopping, beating and stomping a truck driver while protesters yell to kill him
Protesters attack a media member and then pummel him
Chasing guy and kicking him in the face for defending flag in Portland
Police officer beaten on the streets
Car runs over a cop
Protesters set homeless man’s belongings on fire
Throwing fireworks at the cops
Looting a FedEx truck then looter gets dragged when truck tries to escape
Chasing and beating guy with red had
Rioter sets himself on fire while trying to set a building on fire
Fireworks thrown into CNN hq / Police officers
Protester runs over the cops with an SUV
Destroying/looting/setting on fire Old Navy
Guardhouse in front of WH set on fire
Dozens of cars destroyed/torched near CNN hq – Atlanta
St Louis neighborhood on fire
Building on fire while self-proclaimed Mexicans say f*ck white people
Destroying police SUV
Near a torched car audio speakers propaganda that all crime is legal
Destroying/looting bank in Montreal
Pharmacy destroyed/looted in Dallas
The remains of whole neighborhood destroyed
Destroying stores – Dallas
Destroying police SUV – Austin
Police SUV torched LA
Looting target/beating disabled person in Minneapolis
Future apartment building destroyed with fire in Minneapolis
Looting pharmacy – Minneapolis
Destroying business in Minneapolis
More businesses on fire in Minneapolis
Ransacked Target Minneapolis
Building burning in neighborhood Minneapolis
Boy drove car into a store
Post office looted/destroyed
Minneapolis third police precinct set on fire
More buildings on fire Minneapolis
Autoparts Store getting destroyed/looted
Autozone on fire
Looting in Minneapolis
Adults loot with their children
Cars torched – Minneapolis
Looting an ATM in Minneapolis
Remains of destroyed/looted Cub Foods
Business and stores on fire in Minneapolis
Brenda Lenton’s home and belongings destroyed by a fire – Minneapolis
Aftermath of whole neighborhood being set on fire in Minneapolis
Nashville city hall set on fire while rioters cheer
Fox reporters chased out with projectiles thrown at them near White House
Attacking drivers Tulsa, Okla
Setting St. John’s Church on fire
Destroying/looting stores Montreal
Destroying/looting store in Downtown Oakland
Bar destroyed/Trying to loot a safe
Stolen Bulldozer in Oakland
Two police SUVs torched in Seattle
Multiple cars torched in Philadelphia
Ohio Statehouse being destroyed
Trying to breach Justice Center/central police precinct Portland
Destroying/Looting Justice Center Portland
Looting small business in Portland
Destroying/looting small business Portland
Looting Louis Vuitton store
Driving stolen cars into stores – Portland
Destroying Chase Bank – Portland
Setting Chase Bank on fire – Portland
Destroying/Looting Apple Store – Portland
Looting in St. Paul
Looting Shoe Store
Looting Apple Store
Looting North Face store – NYC
Nike Store being looted – NYC
Looting in Union Square – NYC
Looting T-mobile store
Shop owner saves store from looters with a firearm
Business owner defends his store from looters with a firearm
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:48 pmIn accordance with the fairness doctrine, here’s a link to (currently) around 163 instances of police violence: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267984839254454278
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:50 pm^^Link to all^^. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/377481/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:50 pmAre Biden staffers still sending money to bail out rioters?
frosty (f27e97) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:52 pmThe mongering of the grievances.
nk (1d9030) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:57 pmPer FBI stats, last year there were…
Approximately 10,000,000 arrests nationwide
officer-involved fatal shootings in 1004 incidents
fatal shooting of 41 unarmed people, including 19 whites and 9 blacks
89 cops killed in the line of duty
Mieanwhile, 82 shot – 19 of them shot dead – over a 48 hour period in Chicago last weekend. Seemingly little notice taken.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:12 pmMongo’s hometown…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:13 pm“We’re on your side, brah” but we don’t want to turn down the jams or quit playing beer pong though, or you know, be bothered to do something.
I think I may have thrown a rock through their window just on general principle.
So yes, it says a lot about a lot. Not much of it good though.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:18 pmOne of the two main messages ( the other being orange man bad) of the Democrats and media summed up in one tweet:
NPR
@NPR
Dozens of public health and disease experts have signed an open letter in support of the nationwide anti-racism protests.
“White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19,” they wrote.
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1267709439467020288?s=20
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Both racism and abandonment of everything they said for the past three months about the virus being bigger than politics and anyone not isolating/social distancing being a potential killer and oh yeah maybe by the end of summer we’ll be able to meet in groups but don’t push it….
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:45 pm_
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:45 pm
It’s going to be tough getting that genie back in the bottle. I think future 2a discussions will be a little different too.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:49 pmYou can’t gaslight a virus. What will happen, will happen.
nk (1d9030) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:55 pm“ It’s going to be tough getting that genie back in the bottle. I think future 2a discussions will be a little different too.”
They’ve certainly destroyed the meme that no private citizen needs an AR-15 with a 20-round magazine.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:56 pmThey’ve certainly destroyed the meme that no private citizen needs an AR-15 with a 20-round magazine.
That’s the spirit! Always look on the bright side! Behind every cloud, there’s a silver lining.
nk (1d9030) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:11 pmI, for one, am proud to live in a Great America where private citizens need AR-15s with 20-round magazines, and that’s how I want to keep it.
nk (1d9030) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:16 pm“ That’s the spirit! Always look on the bright side! Behind every cloud, there’s a silver lining.”
Watching scenes like a looter taking a 2×4 to an old lady who was trying to protect her property or NPR implying white skin is worse than COVID will wise up most people.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:19 pm_
Speaking of racists, it appears that Steve King (the Iowa congressman) has lost his primary election.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:20 pm“NPR implying white skin is worse than COVID will wise up most people.’
Gonna shoot up NPR.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:21 pmWhy would you want a reduced capacity may? A standard capacity mag holds 30 rounds, never run it with more than 28 unless it’s a Lancer L5.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:21 pmJust remember, the media will give an objective viewpoint so people don’t make the wrong decisions……..
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American Journalists Publish Chinese Propaganda
@JohnEkdahl
The Tea Party got exponentially worse media coverage that Antifa, who are trying to burn American cities to the ground, and the Tea Party picked up their own trash.
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harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:24 pmAnd Valerie Plame is losing her primary in New Mexico.
Kishnevi (1d03eb) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:27 pm“Gonna shoot up NPR.“
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Always with the hilarious projection.
I salute your consistency.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:27 pm_
And Valerie Plame is losing her primary in New Mexico.
Makes sense, she’s a Grade A loser.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:33 pmGiven the current zeitgeist, I wonder how many people, in this moment, look back on their past ideas of watering the tree of liberty and realize that they were idiots vs how many don’t understand that this situation, that they hate, is a mild parallel to what they were advocating.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:47 pmAmi and friends need a tutorial from my fellow b—–s in the SW Side of Chicago and Cicero.
urbanleftbehind (1d1900) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:53 pmThat video is both poignant and amusing. A good combination.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:01 pmThey don’t think that way, Mr. Nic. As far as they’re as concerned, their Denny’s and IHOPs were still closed, and how could things get worse than that?
nk (1d9030) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:06 pm@34 Yeah, I have to think that the “don’t understand” quotient might be high.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:10 pmDo you really not remember that most of the states experiencing violence have leftist governors that unconstitutionally restricted mag capacity.
NJRob (6c2121) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:12 pmBreaking-
Steve King, House Republican With a History of Racist Remarks, Loses Primary
Representative Steve King of Iowa, the nine-term Republican with a history of racist comments who only recently became a party pariah, lost his bid for renomination early Wednesday, one of the biggest defeats of the 2020 primary season in any state.
In a five-way primary, Mr. King was defeated by Randy Feenstra, a state senator, who had the backing of mainstream state and national Republicans who found Mr. King an embarrassment and, crucially, a threat to a safe Republican seat if he were on the ballot in November.
The defeat was most likely the final political blow to one of the nation’s most divisive elected officials, whose insults of undocumented immigrants foretold the messaging of President Trump, and whose flirtations with extremism led him far from rural Iowa, to meetings with anti-Muslim crusaders in Europe and an endorsement of a Toronto mayoral candidate with neo-Nazi ties.
Rip Murdock (d64fac) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:15 pm…….
Did everyone see video of the post-curfew parties going on in Central Park? I wonder if the New York Times is going to pretend to be surprised when there is a surge of COVID-19 cases in a few weeks, and what steps they will take to blame it all on Florida.
JVW (ee64e4) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:24 pmHow many states are there? How many have hard capacity limits. I’ll answer for you because you obviously don’t know. 50 and 6, one where possession of a high capacity mag is legal, but local sales are banned. Also, the ban is a 10 round limit, except for one, where it’s 16.
Minnesota has no such ban, not California, nor Hawaii, nor Texas, nor Michigan… Your excuse for 20 rounds makes little sense, since no place has a limit of 20 rounds, it’s 10 or infinity, plus 16 for Colorado, which is why Magpul moved.
I expect you’ll now admit you were barking out the side of your neck.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:39 pmKlink,
you obviously didn’t remember. I live in one of those states. The remark harkin made was clearly tongue in cheek mocking the left constantly trying to restrict a constitutional right, but you seem to love attacking Republican opinions for anything lately.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:54 pmthat’s nice, now why did you not know your capacity limit was 10, and standard capacity is 30? Could it be that as a proud member of the Know Nothing party, you know nothing, including the law in your state.
Just admit it, you had no idea what you were talking about, but you said any old thing to make you FEELZ better, regardless of the actual facts. When corrected your default response is to deflect and try to move the goalposts… in billiards.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:11 pmKlink,
you realize harkin made the joke, you didn’t get it, and I told you the reason for the remark.
Are you really still trying to play dumb or are you back to gaslighting?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:22 pmhttps://nypost.com/2020/06/02/looters-kill-retired-st-louis-police-capt-on-facebook-live/
Chalk up another murder for the looters.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:32 pmDo you even know what gaslighting is? What types of ammo are illegal in Jersey? Seriously, do you know?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 11:05 pmWhich can last longer the protests or the curfews? Walmarts in my state closing at 5pm from state wide curfew. Business community will have governor’s scalp if it last past sunday when it is supposed to end.
asset (103636) — 6/3/2020 @ 12:15 amhttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/antifa-terrorists-mess-wrong-california-town-get-ever-loving-snot-beat-video/
mg (8cbc69) — 6/3/2020 @ 2:07 amhoo rah
NYC’s response to the riots summed up in one tweet:
Reagan Battalion
@ReaganBattalion
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NYC is burning and guess where @BilldeBlasio has his cops tonight!
In Williamsburg Brooklyn warning Orthodox Hasidic Jews that they will be arrested for attending evening prayers.
Not rioting, not looting, not beating, not killing, just praying.
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1268023824588640258?s=20
harkin (9c4571) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:32 am_
JVW (ee64e4) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:24 pm
harkin (9c4571) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:32 am
I’ve been told that pointing this stuff out is disingenuous. And racists. Stoping being disingenuous racists mkay.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:43 amYou should not believe everything you hear, Mr. frosty. It is not disingenuous or racist. It is a disability called Hyper Deflection Attention Deficit Disorder.
nk (1d9030) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:50 amA/k/a “Look, squirrel!”
nk (1d9030) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:51 amMore summing up here.
It took a white lady to straighten the cops out.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/3/2020 @ 5:53 amColonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:11 pm
Here’s what Biden feelz:
Also,
Biden staffers, supporters, and celebrities also feelz that rioters should be bailed out. These are mostly peaceful riots after all and they really want to get back to explaining why we shouldn’t have any guns and should stay on lockdown.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/3/2020 @ 6:06 amBS, frosty. A lot of Biden supporters actually don’t like Biden very much, don’t like democrats very much, don’t like fringe positions on criminal justice.
Meanwhile Trump actually supported that red flag concept too
many Trump supporters (even those who insist they aren’tTrump supporters) like to tell us this the issue right now is secretly the second amendment. But aside from the fact that folks will be thankful for what they have to keep their families and businesses safe right now, it is simply not on the menu. Law enforcement’s range of brilliant to extremely incompetent handling of all sorts of matters, and how much harder it is to build trust than break it, seems to be the real issue.
Dustin (d59cff) — 6/3/2020 @ 6:22 amPaul, were they arrested or detained? I watched the video you posted and am not really sure what I was supposed to learn. The reporter was stuttering out a confusing statement where she ultimately said the looters were “African Americans.”
I assume that was a description that matched whatever the dispatcher relayed to the officers as they approached the scene. If the clubs and pepper balls came out and the people were beaten to the ground, I would understand the point I think you are trying to make, but a heat of the moment decision when the witness is waving her finger in all directions while stammering “looters?”
FWIW, anyone who hasn’t done a ride along with a cop during a normal crazy shift may consider doing one when they get a chance.
BuDuh (36e881) — 6/3/2020 @ 6:38 amBuDuh, I almost feel sorry for the cops because it was a tense situation and they were probably already having a long day, but they ran past the white lady, handcuffed black people and asked questions later.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:12 amI actually think the state police seargent is being fairly reasonable: https://mobile.twitter.com/bishop_krystal/status/1268009974170451968?fbclid=iwar0rklfmpivqj2gwxilgrykirobgpvsxwidttkgp3u7kwr_whhxau84eil4
urbanleftbehind (1d1900) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:14 amCan’t we all just get along, and go back to talking about the important stuff, like cutting the capital gains Tax? Or Rent control? OR maybe we can talk about Syrian, and our noble allies the Kurds, who everyone has forgotten about.
rcocean (846d30) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:15 am38, I thought trap music was a noxious byproduct of Atlanta and Chicago hip hop. Oh well, not everyone has a Hamilton tour to try out for.
urbanleftbehind (1d1900) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:19 amThe whole point of the narrative pushed by the liberal media, and of course swallowed whole by the Stupid RINO’s and “moderates”, is that the riots are all about black folks being upset at RACISM. In fact, its not even clear how many of the rioters are even Black. But that’s how the MSM want it portrayed. So, if you want Law and Order and NO RIOTING – why you hate black folks.
That’s why George Bushes statement was so clueless and stupid, because he bought into the liberal/left narrative and propagated it. I’m waiting for Mittens to say something similar, and to viciously attack Trump as a Racist for stopping the looting and destruction. Stay tuned.
rcocean (846d30) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:19 am@60 what do you think the protests are about?
Time123 (b0628d) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:27 amTrump has not done a single thing to stop the looting and destruction. He has fanned the flames and amplified the looting and destruction. Because he’s all nasty talk and nothing more. But he parrots the same things that his mouth-breathers say and that’s why they love him so much.
nk (1d9030) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:32 amNever gets old…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:38 amI am still ticked off that Trump betrayed our no-longer allies, the Kurds, rcocean. That was a profound decision that will come back around to hurt Americans down the road. President Biden will have a much harder time getting help because you never know what promises the Americans will break when the KKK types win another national election. To some extent, I had the same complaint about Obama with Iraqi democracy. This ultra ultra partisanship, where each party’s purpose is to win elections, has gotten us to an idiotic place.
rcocean, you typically ignore me and that’s fine, but what if it’s not entirely a narrative? What if the fear blacks have is genuine? Doesn’t mean the riots are OK. I don’t think they are. But if you really want to resolve the riots, is Trump’s approach going to work? Is pointing to black unemployment in 2019 and saying ‘George Floyd should be thanking me’ any different from amping someone up by shouting ‘Calm Down!’ at them?
Monkeys have stolen COVID-19 samples.
This is not relevant but I thought it was funny.
Dustin (d59cff) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:40 amEsper breaks with Trump to oppose using active duty troops to quell protests
Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said Wednesday that he does not support using active duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd and those forces should only be used in a law enforcement role as a last resort after President Donald Trump recently threatened to deploy the military to enforce order.
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Rip Murdock (540255) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:11 amthats how planet of the apes started, murder hornets come next week,
so the floyd family atty is none other than ben crump, who foisted the sanford fraud, on us, eight years ago,
narciso (7404b5) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:15 amSo you decided to go with gaslighting.
Good to know what you are.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:19 amTime123 (b0628d) — 6/3/2020 @ 7:27 am
You keep saying protests but these protests keep turning into riots and looting.
They aren’t about Floyd anymore. If they are still about Floyd or racism why the looting and riots? Everyone thought what happened to Floyd was terrible. The number of people who don’t could fit into an Uber. If it was about racism why didn’t BLM capitalize on that agreement and try to advocate for change? Have you heard anyone put forward anything other than platitudes? It’s hard to imagine a better strategy to make things worse than these riots and the various excuses for them, aka, yes, please come to my neighborhood and burn it down to get rid of structural racism.
BLM describes themselves as a marxist direct action organization. Antifa is an unclear mix but it’s certainly direct action and has a substantial number of either anarchists or marxists. Both of these are class warfare organizations. Both of those groups are using the legitimate anger over Floyd to “[disrupt] the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure” or destroy the white power structure.
For D’s the riots are primarily about power. They want more of it, they aren’t confident they’re going to get it out of the next election, and this playing to racial division has been a game-winner for them historically. It’s why they don’t have any plans to get rid of it.
For the rioters and looters, they explain themselves. It’s not that hard to find videos of people walking out of stores saying they’ve got their stuff or people clearly enjoying putting a beatdown on someone they think deserves it.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:20 am#55 – the people standing in front of the store weren’t behaving the way I would expect looters to behave when the cops show up.
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:26 amFrosty, I think the looters and rioters should be arrested. I think people peacefully protesting should be allowed to do so. I think both groups are present, and I think LEO isn’t doing a very good job differentiating between the 2. I’ve seen enough to conclude LEO is in some instances using excessive force in situations where it’s not warranted. That is also happening and doesn’t help reduce the riots. It’s frustrating not to be able to draw clean lines but it’s messy.
You had a lot of points but I want to focus on this one.
There are 2 things, what people believe, and how strongly they feel about it. I agree that there was near universal agreement about Floyd’s death. But I don’t think every felt equally strong about it. I also think there was a lot of disagreement on if there’s a systemic problem, or if this was just a mistake made by an individual.
Now remember the timeline, Floyd was killed. The officers were fired. No charges were filed and city leadership said “wait for the process”. Large scale protests broke out. The officer that killed Floyd was arrested. One of the complaints is that when the police use violence against black people the process is very slow and doesn’t result in justice. A quick search for news items on NAACP Police Reform shows a list of what they’re asking for.
I wish the protests were better led and I agree with that this attention is being wasted. But I don’t think that means people peacefully protesting don’t believe they have a legitimate point. Justin Amash has also put forward a tangible next step.
If your point is that this movement needs better leadership to turn their complaint into policy I completely agree with you.
If your point is that the lack of that leadership means the people making the complaint (i.e. the protesters) don’t feel they have point I disagree with you.
I’m trying to work this to be agnostic about whether that point is valid
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:46 amIt’s obvious that this President doesn’t know the law and nothing about him spells order.
noel (4d3313) — 6/3/2020 @ 9:24 amTrump demands journalists correct stories on the use of tear gas. According to the CDC, it was tear gas.
President Trump’s reelection campaign sent a message out to news organizations Tuesday night, demanding a correction to articles that described security forces’ use of tear gas to disperse demonstrators outside the White House on Monday, to allow Trump to cross the street to pose for photos at a church.
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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: “Riot control agents (sometimes referred to as “tear gas”) are chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin.”
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Among others, they include chloroacetophenone (CN), more commonly referred to as “mace,” or pepper sprays — in other words, the compound that was deployed in Lafayette Square — and chlorobenzylidenemalononitrile (CS), “one of the most commonly used tear gases in the world,” according to an article in the British Medical Journal.
These compounds are all typically referred to as “tear gas” because their most prominent effect is to bring on tears.
Rip Murdock (540255) — 6/3/2020 @ 9:26 am……
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/3/2020 @ 8:46 am
This comment is hard to parse. I’m sure everyone protesting, complaining, rioting or looting feel like they have a point.
My point is that the people who have a valid complaint are no longer the point. The violence, and the excuses for it, have hijacked and eclipsed that issue. If you care about the original complaint you’d be against the violence, which I do and am. You don’t address domestic violence by burning down the house and killing the kids and pets.
Whether I feel it strongly enough or felt it quickly enough is virtue signaling nonsense.
Yes, the process is slow. It’s called due process not swift justice. What are the alternatives? Should there be some fast track justice system for police violence against black people? None of the items in that link will speed up the process. I agree that chokeholds and other dangerous restraint techniques should be stopped. De-escalation training sounds like a really good idea. The background and re-certification issues are also good ideas. None of those get to your point and I don’t need a riot to agree with them. I’d be willing to discuss more things than are on the NAACP’s list. I’m willing to do a lot less though while we’re in the middle of widespread riots and violence.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/3/2020 @ 9:45 amFrosty,
I think a lot of the looters just want free stuff. I think many of the rioters have no points. I think some of the rioters had a point, and reacted violently to the police trying to prevent their right to protest. But I think once you cross that line you’ve committed a crime and should be prosecuted.
I strongly disagree with this. There’s a meaningful difference between
“That was bad and I want to the city to promptly work on why it happened and how to keep it from happening again by making it a top priority.”
and
“That was bad and so is how long it takes to get potholes filled.”
Part of the complaint is that the process delays Justice for victims of police abuses until the issue has faded from public awareness and quietly results in offending officers being able to go back to work. Open records, citizen review boards, and changes to police certification are intended to address this. The point is not swift and unjust retribution, it’s a system that consistently produces justice.
I agree with you that no-one needs riots.
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/3/2020 @ 10:00 amSo black folk don’t have any grievances for how they’re treated by law enforcement? My guess is that you don’t have any close black friends and haven’t read stuff like the Civil Rights Division report on Ferguson, MO.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/3/2020 @ 10:01 ammr. president donald trump, who is the 44.5th president with vladimir putin being the other 0.5th, has made america great and i don’t even know what all those malcontents, rinos, and outside agitators are even complaining about
they’re very unpatriotic, that’s what they are
seditious even
nk (1d9030) — 6/3/2020 @ 10:07 amFrosty, you might find this interesting.
Time123 (b0628d) — 6/3/2020 @ 10:57 amTime123,
now break down the percentage of crime, especially violent crime, in Minneapolis committed by race. Let’s see if there’s a parallel or divergence.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/3/2020 @ 11:11 amNJRob, The city dashboard isn’t working at the moment, other sources might be up. You’re free to look that up if you want, just keep in mind it’s tricky to test for a the hypothesis that the police target black people and / or are more likely to let white suspects off with a warning.
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/3/2020 @ 11:20 amImagine that the police in the video Paul linked to had found a group of white people standing in front of the store, with exactly the same demeanor. What are the chances they would have been handcuffed in the same way?
I’ve sometimes been skeptical of the black-victim narrative in some of its particulars. And just as white people don’t know what it’s like to be black, the reverse is also true: I’ve heard black people express a fanciful belief that white people all have a “free ride” through life; they can easily get any job they want; they never face any real injustice, etc.
I also think some black people are inclined to see racism in actions that have a perfectly innocuous explanation. I once hesitated a moment in shaking hands with a black woman because I was embarrassed about my hand being cold. Then I spent the next hour worrying that she thought it was a racist response — though in truth I felt inferior to her in that moment (plus she was better-looking), and I have hesitated in exactly the same way when the other person was white.
But sometimes I see incidents that make me wonder: would it really have been the same if it involved white people?
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/3/2020 @ 1:38 pmTime123,
That’s a meme, but inaccurate based on FBI statistics. Unless the allegation is everywhere is racist.
NJRob (d29ba6) — 6/3/2020 @ 2:04 pm