Trump Threatens To Pull Convention Out Of NC Over State Limits On Gatherings
[guest post by Dana]
President Trump has threatened to pull the Republican Convention out of North Carolina if Gov. Roy Cooper doesn’t allow the event at the venue site:
President Donald Trump on Monday threatened to pull the Republican National Convention out of North Carolina in August unless Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper can guarantee “full attendance” at the event, which typically draws tens of thousands of people. Republicans, Trump tweeted, “must be immediately given an answer by the Governor as to whether or not the space will be allowed to be fully occupied. If not, we will be reluctantly forced… to find, with all of the jobs and economic development it brings, another Republican National Convention site.”
“In other words, we would be spending millions of dollars building the Arena to a very high standard without even knowing if the Democrat Governor would allow the Republican Party to fully occupy the space,” Trump added in another tweet.
North Carolina has begun a phased reopening of the state, but large gatherings are still banned. The governor has thus far refused to deviate from the plan. In an interview with CNN, Cooper said of his decision:
“This is not political. This is not emotional. This is based on health experts, data and science and that’s it for everybody to see. No one is being favored or disfavored over the other.”
The Republican convention is scheduled for Aug. 24 – 27. As a reminder, North Carolina has 15 electoral votes which are critical to Trump’s re-election. GOP officials say that they expect 50,000 attendees in Charlotte for the convention.
At least 24,056 people in North Carolina have tested positive for the coronavirus, and 790 have died as of Monday morning, according to state and county health departments.
The N.C. Department of Health and Human Services on Sunday reported 497 new cases of the virus, a drop from the 1,107 reported Saturday — the largest single-day increase since the start of the pandemic and the first time the state topped 1,000 new cases in a day.
Officials attribute Saturday’s spike to an increase in testing, with an all-time high of 26,378 daily tests completed.
The state has been averaging 673 daily cases over the last seven days as of Sunday.
It’s absurd for Trump to demand that he be given a guarantee by the governor, at this point in time. Neither the governor, nor Trump have any idea what level of outbreak North Carolina will be experiencing come August. It would be irresponsible for the governor to give his guarantee to Trump. I find it even more irresponsible, and unconscionable, for the President of the United States to leverage the economy and livelihood of North Carolinians in this way.
–Dana
Meanwhile, the DNC weighs out their options, with nothing set in stone. The convention is tentatively set for the week of Aug. 17 (moved from July), and slated to be held in Milwaukee.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 9:24 am1. I’m all for anything that reduces the amount of post-convention campaigning these weasels do.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 9:34 amI also would like to see full attendance at both conventions with no coronavirus restrictions. The top 100,000 (say 50,000 each) Republican and Democrat movers-and shakers going back to their organizations and congregations, their businesses and their bundle-contributing business associates, their families and friends, may very well turn the coronavirus from a curse to a blessing for America.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 9:50 am3. The problem with doing that would be that it could expose the social distancing recommendations as needless.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 9:52 amAnd that would be a bad thing? I would love to see the social distancing recommendations exposed as needless. Wouldn’t you?
Gryph, the difference between religion is science, is that science is just as happy to have a belief disproved as it is to have it proved. Either way, “Now we know!” Do you know what I mean?
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:08 amHow could we possibly go forward with an election that doesn’t have conventions first? How else will the public find out who the vice-presidential nominees are? How else will the parties provide opportunities for minor dignataries to present immediately forgettable speeches? How else will our citizens get the chance to see radio, television and internet experts try to avoid hernias caused by attempts to gin up drama at events otherwise devoid of same?
John B Boddie (f44786) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:09 am5. I think you and I are in lockstep agreement on that, nk. 🙂
6. Wow. I was going to engage in some repartee about how conventions are a fairly recent innovation in American politics, and then I realized you were being sarcastic.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:12 amOf course, I would prefer that only the Trumpablicans were the canaries in the coal mine, but it’s not up to me.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:13 am8. Any politicians ceding that the utility of social distancing is uncertain is welcome as far as I’m concerned. Weasels gonna weasel.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:23 amHold it in Florida. R’s had the convention in ’68 in Miami beach. Other good choices:
Ohio
rcocean (846d30) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:40 amGA
Texas.
D’s don’t need a convention. Heck, they don’t even need primaries. How many got cancelled anyway? Did any D protest? Of course not. D’s should just stop pretending they care, just allow the DNC to run everything. D Senators and D Congressman are robots that fall in line and do ANYTHING Schumer and Pelosi say. Only time they are centrist or moderate is on the campaign trail.
rcocean (846d30) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:42 amTrump should just move the whole shebang to Florida, and screw the masks and social distancing. Put his money where his mouth is.
Paul Montagu (f7a161) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:42 amRe #10, Cincy and have a lot of river parties to tweak another “Jr.”‘s nose.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:53 amWWND. What Would a Narcissist Do?
50,000 people packed into a stadium during a pandemic? Makes sense.
noel (4d3313) — 5/25/2020 @ 11:10 amAnd all of the Republicans said Amen.
noel (4d3313) — 5/25/2020 @ 11:15 amI have to ask myself basic, logical questions in times like these. What would have happened to New York City had they not stayed home, engaged in social distancing, washed hands frequently and wore masks? What would their fatalities have been? And then, what would have happened to the rest of us? If enough folks listen to Trump, we may find out.
Oh…. maybe the Summer heat or a vaccine will save us. But I wouldn’t wait on the President to do it.
noel (4d3313) — 5/25/2020 @ 11:37 am@11-
Rip Murdock (32617c) — 5/25/2020 @ 11:53 amRepublicans canceled caucuses or primaries in New York, Hawaii, Nevada, Kansas, South Carolina, Arizona, and Alaska. What’s your point?
7/31/2019-
Charlotte has always had buyer’s remorse, so Trump would be doing them a favor.
Rip Murdock (32617c) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:06 pm7.
Kishnevi (a1aef7) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:07 pmConventions have been around for almost 200 years, since the election of 1832.
Wikipedia
Mar-a-Lago should be available.
Rip Murdock (32617c) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:07 pmIf I were the governor, I would be telling the GOP it was their job to organize all the necessary precautions and contingency plans if there was spike of Covid19 in August, not his.
Kishnevi (a1aef7) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:12 pmChecking the list of NFL stadiums with domes/retractable roofs, the obvious candidate is the one where the Cowboys play, with seating capacity of 80,000-100,000+. Add in the fiels itself, and that’s enough space to allow 50,000 people some room to spread out.
Kishnevi (a1aef7) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:24 pmIs that the one in Arlington, TX?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:42 pmThose 2 big screens above the playing field should be re-tightened beforehand.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:42 pmIt’s a tricky balancing act Gov. Cooper needs to maintain: he can’t afford to alienate Trump’s base by refusing to accommodate the RNC convention, but he also needs to maintain public health as the state reopens.
Also, I read that Charlotte’s city council already voted to accept a $50 million grant from the feds to cover insurance/ security costs for the convention.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:50 pmDana, that’s the one.
Kishnevi (a1aef7) — 5/25/2020 @ 12:54 pm25. That’s a false choice. Hosting the convention is not a trade-off between political expediency or public health. That $50 million grant is as good as a commitment, as far as I’m concerned.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:06 pmOfficials attribute Saturday’s spike to an increase in testing, with an all-time high of 26,378 daily tests completed.
And Sunday’s testing set a further record! And then Monday! Who wrote this!?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:35 pmI will note that GOP Conventions have been snake-bit lately. Either they are shortened by a fully-predictable hurricane, or they are upstaged by one. Or they nominate a buffoon.
Sometimes it seems that the networks find more reporters wanting to cover the Democrat one.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:38 pmDana, I was about to be flip and echo nk’s assertion re blacks and Biden-Trump that very few voters are deciding between Cooper and his presumably pro-Trump GOP opposition this fall (NC Gov is on the presidential cycle)…but I had to reminded their was a smidge enough of Trump-Cooper voters in 2016 to get him here in the first place over Pat McCrory.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:40 pm29, they’re all trying for that Rob Lowe cosplay moment.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:42 pmSo, someone is trying to prevent Trump from packing a room during a pandemic with his 50,000 most die-hard supporters? There are parts of the old GOP that support his cause here. I wonder if the hookers will carry those forehead thermometer things.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:42 pm29, they’re all trying for that Rob Lowe cosplay moment.
I’ll allow that the scandalmongers are more interested in the GOP though.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/25/2020 @ 1:44 pmSo, someone is trying to prevent Trump from packing a room during a pandemic with his 50,000 most die-hard supporters?
Rip Murdock (32617c) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:07 pmI don’t understand what problem is. If any one tests positive for COVID-19, the convention center can act as an isolation center for all of them the next 14 days.
whatever happened to the fellow who tested positive at cpac, it’s striking how some stories are left incomplete,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:10 pmBut what if the concession stands run out of HCQ and bleach?
Dave (1bb933) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:13 pmD’you think that Cooper just wants to pick up the phone and shout at them, “WE’RE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR LIVES YOU GAWDDAMM IDIOTS!!”
Nic (896fdf) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:36 pmLOL, 36.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:38 pm37, uh, yes.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 2:39 pmand half of the casualties in living facilities is proof of that,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:03 pmFront page headline at the NYT right now:
U.S. Deaths Near 100,000, an Incalculable Loss
Did the oxymoron just escape the editors?
norcal (a5428a) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:09 pmmuch like their veterans defamation, probably, of course they didn’t bother to disaggregate comorbities, and other factors, that’s what they used to call science,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:15 pmwhat kind of twisted science experiment are they running,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/19/relapses-are-through-the-roof-overdoses-are-through-the-roof-how-the-pandemic-is-upping-substance-abuse/
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:24 pmI think it’s intentional – i.e. the number does not convey the cost in human suffering and grief.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:41 pmThat still means the rest are not in an assisted living facility.
Yes, up 1.2%. Covid is an additional 100k people, up infinity. Also, I feel less bad for the overdose deaths than Bob down the street that was coughed on by some rando.
Were you trying to make some kind of point, about something? Look who I’m asking, of course not.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:43 pmThat’s nothing to mess with – last weekend of April, I had dry heaves the morning after a vicious virtual 3-Man game on GoToMeeting. I dumped out my Evan William’s and haven’t had liquor since.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:44 pmI have seen people say that we can’t make policy because old folks and the medically compromised are fragile, narciso 43. If you are one of those people then you know the answer. We can’t make policy because substance abusers are fragile.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:44 pmBack in the day, a poster who may or may not still be posting here said that his answer to anyone asking about solving the opioid crisis was “Pull the Needle…Out of Your Arm”.
I thought that was cool as hell, but then I’m jaded due to being far more adjacent to both the “supplier chain” and the “where was the concern with Crack?” crowds.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:49 pm@ nk, #3:
I am pretty sure that you just wished harm, and possible death, on a few people I know.
The comment I want to make to you would no doubt be blocked by this site’s profanity filter. But be assured that I mean every word of what I can’t say.
Demosthenes (7fae81) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:49 pmI can relate. Within the past eight days, including today, there have been three occasions when I’ve had two Hershey bars for desert at lunch instead of my usual one.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:51 pmwe’re talking about persons, who were deliberately exposed to flu victims, and then locked inside, in detroit to fatal nonflu consequences, while this witch whitmer thinks banning the sales of seeds and baby strollers means something, so who are we protecting in this exercises, that is driving businesses including medical facilities to other bankruptcy,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 3:57 pmhe’s just recommending the practice popular around 400 ad, in the city state of athens, since that worked out well,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:01 pmspeaking of other helpful practices, the corpus christi shooter, was beneficiary of chain migration, he applied for citizenship in syria in 2014
narciso (7404b5) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:04 pmI am pretty sure that you just wished harm, and possible death, on a few people I know.
The comment I want to make to you would no doubt be blocked by this site’s profanity filter. But be assured that I mean every word of what I can’t say.
The real Demosthenes (no, not the Orson Scott Card one, the other one) would have easily found a way to do it without profanity. But he also would have been perceptive enough to realize that that is exactly what Trump is trying to do, not merely “wishing on” but actually trying to accomplish with his threats and bluster, just so he can have a big crowd cheering him and applauding him.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:10 pmThat may be so. Guess I’m not him.
As for Trump, you should know by now that I’m not a fan. And his bad behavior doesn’t excuse yours.
Demosthenes (7fae81) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:15 pmhe’s just recommending the practice popular around 400 ad, in the city state of athens, since that worked out well,
Who? Trump? He wants a Goth army to sack Charlotte?
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:18 pmSpeech is not behavior.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:19 pmIts days like these that I wish the Bay if Pigs had been a rousing success.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:19 pmTrump’s poor handling of the crisis may lose him the GOP’s most reliable voters
Florida isn’t called “God’s waiting room” for nothing.
Rip Murdock (32617c) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:22 pmVery well, pedant.
Demosthenes (7fae81) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:23 pm@56 All those black clothes in the heat of summer time in NC? *shudder*
Nic (896fdf) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:24 pmGryph, NJRob, Dana in Kentucky, you’re on my side on this, aren’t you? Let’s put two groups of 50,000 people each in enclosed arenas for a week and settle the social distancing debate once and for all?
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:24 pmTrump s eithrr going to make it look like the Governor of North Carolina caved in, (even if the RNC has to reduce its foorprint) or he is going to look like he carried out his threat.
There is a possibility he won’t find anywhere else that will let the Republican Party hold a bigger convention than they can in North Carolina.
Sammy Finkelman (45c255) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:25 pmThey can (and do) say all they want about Trump, but some people have done readers of this blog a valuable service: they’ve dropped the pretense, shown what makes them tick and what they are all about.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:28 pmTrump is just doing his spit-bubble du jour, and if the North Carolina governor tells him to stick it, he and his Trumpkins will simply deny that the whole conversation ever happened.
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:31 pm10. rcocean (846d30) — 5/25/2020 @ 10:40 am
Also in 1972, where it was moved to after San Diego was
cancelled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Republican_National_Convention
Sammy Finkelman (45c255) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:31 pmI propose a trade: Freedom loving Hong Kongers for N.E. liberals.
mg (8cbc69) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:43 pmFlorida and to a lesser extent AZ have a more self-selected group of older residents as in those successful enough to have planned for and earned enough over their working life to have made the move, granted housing runs the gamut from 55+ manufactured home communities to waterfront (FL) enclaves. Thus those states blocs are not as influenced by the scare tactics of the past or the present.
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 4:43 pm62. Yeah, but I don’t think it’s really a threat to anyone’s health, to begin with. That’s where you and I might differ.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/25/2020 @ 5:12 pmGiven that the GOP platform could be reduced from a 58-page booklet to a one-page summary with ten bullet points, perhaps they could shorten the convention as there would be a lot less policy to talk about.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/25/2020 @ 5:18 pmThe new “platform” would be a good thing as it appropriately matches Trump’s kiddie-pool-depth intellect.
I thought Paul was joking.
Silly me thinking there’s anything too loopy for this White House to suggest.
From his link:
Dave (1bb933) — 5/25/2020 @ 5:48 pmActually, Kushner’s main point is very on target
Kishnevi (54fe57) — 5/25/2020 @ 5:53 pmso they ought to eliminate alienating language.
Such as “President Trump”? 😉
nk (1d9030) — 5/25/2020 @ 6:06 pmI think this is good, and I don’t care who suggested it. The GOP has boxed themselves in with an almost-antiquated messaging on a number of issues.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/25/2020 @ 6:23 pmWhatever is decided, attendees might want to take a pass on the beer:
http://www.yahoo.com/news/anheuser-busch-plan-beer-expired-214631683.html
urbanleftbehind (9b6dcd) — 5/25/2020 @ 7:33 pmNk,
I’m beginning to think you’re broken.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/05/25/washington-state-counting-gun-shot-victims-among-its-coronavirus-deaths-n426781
More inflation.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/26/2020 @ 5:52 amNk,
I’m beginning to think you’re broken.
I’m worried about it, too, NJRob. I guess I’m not as tough as I hoped I was. 100,000 dead Americans in less than three months, and 1,000 more guaranteed every day for the foreseeable future, is turning out to be more than I can shrug off.
nk (1d9030) — 5/26/2020 @ 6:06 amyes when you have a mayor and governor who are killing people as policy, yes I wouldn’t be sanguine either, and that applies across five states.
narciso (7404b5) — 5/26/2020 @ 6:13 amamerican greatness has its price mr nk
Dave (1bb933) — 5/26/2020 @ 6:14 amI’m sorry to read that nk. Outside of the NYC extended area, we’ve done as well as any nation in responding to the Wuhan Flu. What do you expect?
NJRob (857135) — 5/26/2020 @ 6:41 amNonsense, Rob. We are not even close to several other nations.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/26/2020 @ 6:51 amExcept for Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans etc. Basically we did well mostly in areas where there weren’t people.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 7:00 amNJRob, If you look at total weekly deaths from all causes in 2020 vs the last 5 years it’s pretty clear that something started killing a LOT of people in calendar week 12. No worry about categorization errors since it’s all in.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 7:02 amAdditional thought, if you assume that medical professionals are getting it wrong 1 our of 5 times it’s still 80K dead.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 7:07 amAnd that ASSumes that all the errors are in one direction. They are not, and the under-count may be very significant, and way more than the over-count.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/26/2020 @ 7:20 am#70 Montagu:
Personally, I like the shrinking of the platform. The platforms are a dead letter from the moment they are introduced. A short one may be a more honest document, and an easier document to hold people to.
Kushner, by law of averages, is going to get it right occasionally.
Appalled (1a17de) — 5/26/2020 @ 7:28 amTime123,
I’m not denying there’s a bug going around that’s very harmful to a limited number of people. It was made worse by poor leadership locking infected people in with high risk people. I continue to state that the so called cure, which hasn’t cured anything, is way worse than the disease and that there is a financial and political incentive to continue the lockdowns and expand people’s dependency on government.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/26/2020 @ 8:22 am@87, it will be hard to see the effects of social distancing for a while yet. The claim that people are continuing the lockdown for political reasons doesn’t seem to match the actual behaviors in the states. For instance, Michigan is still on lockdown until June 12, but retail shops are open, small gatherings are allowed, and in the rural parts of the state bars and restaurants are open at 50% capacity.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 8:56 amNJRob (4d595c) — 5/26/2020 @ 8:22 am
Rob, you’re missing one important fact: the economic impact of the virus would be fairly severe whether or not we were under government ordered lockdowns. We’d be in a massive slump no matter what.
Kishnevi (7c118c) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:08 amhttps://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/24/whitmer-censors-self-trump-federal-aid/5254420002/
Not political Time123?
I’ll tell you why some politicians are gradually backing down. It’s because the people are ignoring the politican’s demands and they want to pretend their orders have power. Just like my idiot governor did by “granting” us the right to have more people over for a BBQ Memorial Day weekend. People were doing it anyway. The roads are back to heavy traffic. People have decided they’ve had enough.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:10 amHere’s a link to some mortality data from the UK. It shows a similar pattern as the US. Picked the UK because it takes American politics out of the explanation.
https://twitter.com/COVID19actuary/status/1265301261068484613
Time123 (ae9d89) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:11 amActually, they’re having very similar political spats over there.
Do you know who Dominic Cummings is?
Kishnevi (7c118c) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:17 amNJRob,
That doesn’t remotely refute the point that I made. It does show that she was listening when Trump told the press that he’d instructed VP Pence not to return calls to governors that aren’t ‘nice’ to him.
Your other point matches Mobility data that shows people started distancing before the orders and stopped before the orders were lifted. Of course, it also directly refutes your previous claim ppl were keeping the the lock down in place to hurt Trump.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:18 am@92, I’m sure they are. But it’s not about Trump.
Time123 (daab2f) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:18 amhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/26/dominic-cummings-uk-faces-political-crisis-as-scotland-minister-quits.html
Kishnevi (7c118c) — 5/26/2020 @ 9:24 amDr Daniel Griffin, the NY doctor in the Virology podcast that Simon Jester told us about, said it was the hospitals and doctors that insisted the State send patients back to nursing homes. They felt they would need the hospital beds and they thought it was the safest thing to do. In his most recent podcast (TWIV 617 @ 27 min) Dr Griffin said they are changing that recommendation now and for the future if Covid resurfaces this Fall. He seemed to feel it was medicine, not politicians, who are responsible for that decision — or, as he called it, that “mistake” in sending patients back to those facilities.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/26/2020 @ 10:11 amAnother example of how medicine is statistics-based (e.g., clinical trials) not based on gut feelings or individual experience. Doctors are not comfortable with going with the flow, primarily because humans are so different. But the statistics can lead us to macro trends that work on most patients.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/26/2020 @ 10:18 amWhen I had my stroke, I had Cadillac private insurance and I was sent to the hospital’s rehab unit to convalesce. When my father had his hip replacement, Medicare would pay only so much for hospital rehab and he had to convalesce at a nursing home or come home. So, I’m not saying that was necessarily the case in New York, but I have a strong suspicion that the bean counters were involved along with the doctors.
nk (1d9030) — 5/26/2020 @ 10:22 amhttps://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1265249196829028358
Here’s an article from lefty outlet politico expressing political fear of reopening because it might help the economy and therefore Trump.
NJRob (22b4c9) — 5/26/2020 @ 1:27 pm@74
…that’s pretty damn smart to be honest. Its surprising that it took this long…
Not sure how Trump could be that ‘all encompassing BIG TENT’ candidate though. But, it may be effective for those downticket GOP’ers.
whembly (c30c83) — 5/26/2020 @ 1:34 pm96. If it’s doctors recommending sending CoViD-positive patients to nursing homes, that strikes me as
Gryph (08c844) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:17 pmbordering onmedical malpractice. How could licensed medical professionals screw that up so badly, particularly in light of the fact that no hospital I am aware of ended up in danger of being overloaded at all?Dr. Griffin, I don’t know where your politics are, but I’m pretty sure you have blood on your hands along with a good chunk of New York State’s medical association.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:18 pmAlso, for the “zOMG! 100,000 people dead!” crowd, roughly 8000 people die daily of all non-CoViD-19 causes combined in the USA alone. 100,000 people dead of any cause (and who knows where those numbers really are with all the numbers inflation and testing screw-ups) represents approximately 12-and-a-half days worth of deaths from any other causes besides CoViD-19. And here we are.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:22 pmTrump is correct to pull out of NC. We don’t need a convention of 10 people, all wearing masks. Move it to Texas, GA or Florida.
rcocean (846d30) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:29 pmAs for Trump, you should know by now that I’m not a fan.
Who would go to the GOP Convention, to vote to nominate Trump and cheer him, who was not a fan? Many Republicans (and most real Republicans who’ve voted in every primary they could) are simply accepting the ascendance of the Yahoo wing for the moment, knowing the coming disaster will at least spell the end of Trump.
Of course someone in 2023 will be going on about how we never had REAL Trumpism and testing every candidate’s past fealty. There are still Peronistas.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:38 pmFalse equivalence much?
Leviticus (b3a900) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:40 pmMy prior comment was directed at Gryph. By such standards, the Vietnam War was just another week.
Leviticus (b3a900) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:42 pm@103: Those numbers doesn’t really say what you think they do. Since many types of deaths are down (particularly accidental deaths like traffic accidents and drownings), COVID-10 deaths are a larger proportion of deaths than first glance. Car crash deaths are down by 2/3rds, for example. So the normal 480K deaths that might be expected over the last 60 days is reduced somewhat and the 100,000 Covid-19 deaths are even a bigger portion of them than at first glance.
And yes, there are testing screw-ups but it is nearly impossible that they result in an OVER-count. There are many reasons, from political coverups to not testing people who die at home alone, that suggest that there is an UNDER count.
Trump’s opinions on this are irrelevant as the man is innumerate.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:52 pm40,000 people die each year in traffic accidents. I have never known someone who died that way in over 60 years of knowing people. In the last frucking MONTH, I’ve known 2 people who died of Covid-19 (known them well enough to talk to them the day before they went into hospital).
Any equivalence to “normal” is entirely lost on me.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:55 pm“And here we are.”
It’s not over my dude.
Davethulhu (0ed007) — 5/26/2020 @ 2:59 pmCracking UpKAREN’s UpKAREN’s up, she’s getting ready to go
Had enough, she can’t take any more
No masks, that she won’t take
This is too real and there ain’t no escape
It scares the daylights
It makes a nightmare
She’s tense and she’s nervous
Everybody all around be
Shakin’ hands and sayin’ howdie
She don’t think it’s funny no more
KAREN’s up, like a worn out shoe
Ain’t sick, but the ill’s leakin’ through
She’d run, but there ain’t no place
That’s safe, and it’s wrecking her
Wrecking her
It make her shiver, it make her shake
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/26/2020 @ 3:05 pmMake her a Nazi, or maybe Stasi
Everybody havin’ fun
She don’t know how they can carry on
‘Cause she don’t think it’s funny no more
KAREN’s up