Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Feel free to post any news items that you think might be of interest to readers.
First news item
The White House has blocked Dr. Anthony Fauci, the public face of the country’s coronavirus response, from testifying before a Congressional committee, according to a Democratic aide who spoke with The Daily Beast. As reported in the Washington Post, the House Appropriations Committee requested the doctor’s testimony at a hearing next week related to its investigation of the federal government’s coronavirus response. The White House denied approval and claimed that Fauci’s appearance during a pandemic would be “counterproductive.” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has attracted attention for his addresses to the public as the lead scientist on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, which sometimes has put him at odds with President Trump’s pseudoscientific ramblings.
Second news item
Member of CA city planning commission removed from office for ‘culling the herd’ post:
Ken Turnage’s Facebook post, now removed, said that “the World has been introduced to a new phrase Herd Immunity which is a good one. In my opinion we need to adapt a Herd Mentality. A herd gathers it ranks, it allows the sick, the old, the injured to meet its natural course in nature.”
He added, “then we have our other sectors such as our homeless and other people who just defile themselves by either choice or mental issues. This would run rampant through them and yes i am sorry but this would fix what is a significant burden on our Society and resources that can be used.”
Third news item
It’s been outrageous to see Stacy Abrams allowed to justify her support of Joe Biden by inaccurately claiming that the NYT “did a deep investigation and they found that the accusation was not credible” without any media pushback (including from the NYT!). Now, better late than never, the NYT Editorial Board is calling for an investigation into Tara Reade’s allegations against Joe Biden:
Is is so often the case in such situations, it is all but impossible to be certain of the truth. But the stakes are too high to let the matter fester — or leave it to be investigated by and adjudicated in the media. Mr. Biden is seeking the nation’s highest office.
…Any serious inquiry must include the trove of records from Mr. Biden’s Senate career that he donated to the University of Delaware in 2012. Currently, those files are set to remain sealed until after Mr. Biden retires from public life… There are growing calls for Mr. Biden to make those records available to see if they contain any mention of Ms. Reade or perhaps others who raised similar complaints about his behavior.
…Mr. Biden resisted these calls, insisting that his Senate papers do not contain any personnel files and so could not possibly shed light on Ms. Reade’s allegations. He added that they do, however, contain sensitive information about his past work that could be unfairly exploited in a presidential campaign.
While understandable, this concern is not prohibitive — and Mr. Biden’s word is insufficient to dispel the cloud. Any inventory should be strictly limited to information about Ms. Reade and conducted by an unbiased, *apolitical panel, put together by the D.N.C. and chosen to foster as much trust in its findings as possible. Admittedly, this would be a major undertaking. Mr. Biden served 36 years in the Senate. He turned over nearly 2,000 boxes and more than 400 gigabytes of data to the University of Delaware; most of it has not been cataloged. But the question at hand is no less than Mr. Biden’s fitness for the presidency. No relevant memo should be left unexamined.
Fourth news item
Desperate times do indeed call for desperate measures. For the Democrats, a truly desperate time could come if Joe Biden is forced to withdraw from the presidential race. While the former vice president is the presumptive Democratic nominee to face off against President Trump in November, his nomination is still far from official…
If Biden quits the race right before the convention, delegates would select a new nominee. If he drops out right after the convention, members of the Democratic National Committee would pick their replacement candidate.
Who might be in consideration to become the new nominee — and who would be selected as the vice presidential running mate? Several likely combinations come to mind, starting in many minds with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, but one particular, truly out-of-the-box combination stops the discussion in its tracks: Hillary Clinton as the nominee and Barack Obama as her running mate.
Fifth news item
This week, President Donald Trump’s attorney Charles Harder sent a letter to Michael Cohen, the president’s imprisoned former lawyer and fixer, demanding that Cohen stop writing a “tell-all” anti-Trump book, two sources familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast on Friday. The sources noted that the letter, sent on behalf of the Trump Organization, cited Cohen’s non-disclosure agreement that he signed while working for the Trump family’s business empire.
The news of the Trump Org’s legal threat against Cohen came the same day that the prisoner, who was due to be released from federal prison to house arrest on Friday, found that he will in fact remain behind bars, two people familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast…It was unclear what prompted the last-minute decision to not release Cohen after he—along with other prisoners—had spent 14-days in quarantine at the minimum security facility in Otisville, New York, which had become overrun with COVID-19.
Let us know if you are still currently under stay-at-home orders, and when your state/county/city are planning to lift the orders.
Have a safe weekend.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:18 am. . . one particular, truly out-of-the-box combination stops the discussion in its tracks: Hillary Clinton as the nominee and Barack Obama as her running mate.
It would be a pleasant day in hell before Barack Obama would ever be the vassal to anyone, let alone Hillary. You think he would give up his $100 million Netflix deal and paid speeches for that?
JVW (54fd0b) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:21 amYou’re right, JVW, maybe if they came up with some sort of arrangement where he only had to be present a few days amonth, on video while ensconced in his Martha’s Vineyard homes…
But seriously, it does pose the question of who would take Biden’s spot, should he be compelled to step down?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:37 amObama can’t be vice president, even if he wanted it. The VP has the same eligibility requirements as the President, and Obama is termed out.
Davethulhu (744195) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:43 amI greatly fear that Moochelle Obama would be a very strong POTUS contender. Several VP candidates suggest themselves.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:49 amNope, he could absolutely run, and hold office, as Veep.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:51 amHow about a good feeling on a Saturday morning?
https://youtu.be/etviGf1uWlg
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:51 amMichelle Obama could take the presidency in a heartbeat, I think. But from everything I’ve read and heard her say, she has zero interest in politics.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:52 amhttp://ace.mu.nu/archives/Resized_IMG_17681.jpg
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:54 am‘Thulhu is right, of course.
It is interesting that no speculation about replacements for Biden mention the guy with 38% of delegates so far, and who is still not mathematically eliminated. Bernie has 974 delegates (to Biden’s 1406), with 1991 needed to win and 1429 still in play.
This is part of the reason that Bernie is upset at the cancellation of the Democrat primary in NY. It would not surprise me if he withdraws his endorsement of Biden and restarts his campaign, claiming that Biden represents the old bait & switch.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:55 amMichelle Obama could take the presidency in a heartbeat, I think. But from everything I’ve read and heard her say, she has zero interest in politics.
Well, Barack could “advise” her. But the speeches, summits and appearances would be brutal. Pretty sure it won’t happen.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 9:56 amneither the Constitution’s eligibility provisions nor the Twenty-second Amendment’s presidential term limit explicitly disqualify a twice-elected president from serving as vice president.
No, but together they implicitly do, and nearly everyone would find the legal slight-of-hand offensive. In any event a Vice-President who had served two terms as President could succeed to the top office only after a SERIOUS constitutional crisis (keying on the word “elected”).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:01 amThe Amash fallout continues.
Inslee is slowly reopening businesses but he’s nevertheless extending his “stay home, stay healthy” order through the end of May. He has a 4-phase reopening plan, which sounds reasonable, subject to how well we’re doing. Sigh.
Paul Montagu (e5604a) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:01 amTrends are still favorable in Snohomish County. No one has died since Monday. It would be nice to open county-by-county, but this line did catch me:
But from everything I’ve read and heard her say, she has zero interest in politics.
Yah, no. I’ve never believed her for a second. I’m afraid as POTUS she’d prove very effective. I think she’s mean as a snake and more cunning than Barackula.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:02 amIf they get rid of Biden, and do not even consider Bernie, they can kiss off the election in much the same way that the GOP feared would happen if they dumped Trump in 2016.
Of course, Elizabeth Warren might be the solution to that problem for them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:04 amWe need a pundit who can count past two. Bennett isn’t equipped with the wattage.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:05 amMichelle could have been elected a Senator already, if she sought power. I think she enjoys her current role and popularity too much to head back into the sewer.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:06 amMoochelle could quell the Bernie Boi rebellion. She walk over T-rump, too.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:07 amLove that link, Haiku, the video a little more than the bearded Michelle.
Paul Montagu (e5604a) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:07 amOf course, an Obama/Obama ticket would be the biggest landislide in the history of politics.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:09 amI’m confused by the rationale being used by the Orange Raccoon to stink-eye the congressional committee vis Fauci. Besides, “I dun wanna”, what’s T-rump got?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:10 am19… that is a feelgood piece of entertainment!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:11 amMoochelle would be the first female POTUS and the second AA. That’s WAY more magnetic than being a mere senator.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:12 amNM is locked-down until May 15th, at which point retail will reopen slightly (curbside delivery only). Walmart still open for those who want to go inside and buy, well, anything. Gun stores only open by appointment after running background checks.
The case and death rates in NM are still climbing, mainly due to the Navajo Nation ignoring the White
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:13 amMan’sWoman’s original order and experiencing epidemic sickness. The state will maintain the lock-down longer near the reservations. Deaths/100K on the reservations are MUCH higher than in the USA parts of the state.Could Barack run since he could not serve?
DRJ (15874d) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:13 amI’m confused by the rationale being used by the Orange Raccoon to stink-eye the congressional committee vis Fauci
I think it’s because he doesn’t trust Fauci not to answer questions like “Name Trumps 10 worst pandemic decisions.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:15 amThis:
Also, the actual complaint could have…disappeared.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:16 amOh, I totally know the catalog of reasons T-rump would not want Fauci testifying before Congress.
I don’t get what he’s using as an excuse.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:19 amCould Barack run since he could not serve?
Note the terms “elected” and “office of the President.” I think it is possible to argue that not only could he serve as VP (a different office), but he could succeed to the top job because that would not be an elected term. In theory he could even be appointed VP under the 25th, then succeed.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:19 amI also think it would raise a holy stink and end up in the Supreme Court.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:20 amI don’t get what he’s using as an excuse.
“Executive privilege” — less of a thing that the lawyer-client privilege, but still real and for much the same reason.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:21 amAlso, the actual complaint could have…disappeared.
The backup tape was corrupted due to an accidental degaussing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:24 amWell, executive privilege is transparently bogus in this application. T-rump can always chant it, but it would never stand a court challenge, IMNHO.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:31 amhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-all-absolutely-did-this-rutgers-professor-blames-trump-supporters-for-coronavirus-deaths
How quickly would this professor be fired if the roles were reversed?
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:33 amHow quickly would this professor be fired if the roles were reversed?
“T-rump supporters blame Rutgers prof. for CV19 deaths.”
Gorsh. Seems like the professor’s job would be OK.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:36 amTrolling is all you got Raggy.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:37 amOh, Rob! Get a freaking LIFE. And stop lying.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:38 amOf course Biden will have to withdraw. After all, it may be that he’s the same as Trump.
What have y’all been smoking?
If Ms. Reade filed a complaint, it would be part of the official records collected by the National Archives. If it’s not there, considerable doubt attaches to Ms. Reade’s accusations. If no report is found, it’s probably reasonable to believe that Mr. Biden behaved in a way that made Ms. Reade uncomfortable, but the explicit sexual aggression claimed by Ms. Reade is (as far as we know at the moment) unique among complaints about Mr. Biden’s behavior.
It would, however, be interesting to see how Mr. Trump would handle this on the debate stage.
John B Boddie (f7954e) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:46 am@6-Col. Klink-
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:01 amIn your post was that a quote someone, or did you make it up? Please post a link, it sounds like interesting reading.
Michelle Obama could take the presidency in a heartbeat, I think. But from everything I’ve read and heard her say, she has zero interest in politics.
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:03 amThe thought of four more years of Trump could be very convincing.
https://twitter.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1256384892730048515
And imagine how big a news story it would be if a local Republican official said this about Trump’s accusers.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:07 amWe had the whole “could a former two-term President serve as VP” argument before a couple of years back. We know that according to the Constitution, no one who is ineligible for the office of President can be elected Vice-President, but there was an interesting question — from aphrael if my memory serves me — as to whether a Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, or Barack Obama could be appointed as VP under the 25th Amendment and confirmed by both houses of Congress, then move into the Oval Office should the President die, resign, or be removed. I don’t think we came to consensus on that item.
JVW (54fd0b) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:16 amAdmit It: You Are Willing to Let People Die to End the Shutdown
CNN’s Jake Tapper was brutally direct in his question to Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, who recently lifted his state’s stay-at-home order, in favor of a gradual reopening of business. Are you worried, Tapper asked, that a premature move could “cost your constituents their lives?”
Polis was blandly indirect in his answer. While he might wish to have “next week’s information and next month’s information available to me today,” the Democratic governor said, “that’s not the world we live in.” During a pandemic that likely will continue for months, he’s looking for a path forward in “an ongoing sustainable way,” one that takes into account citizens’ interests “psychologically, economically, and from a health perspective.”
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The real question is less philosophical (Are you willing to “cost your constituents their lives”?) than practical (What is your tolerance for some uncertain number of additional deaths against some certain benefits of resuming regular life?).
Like Polis, I am willing to accept that some people must die in order to accommodate the return to whatever the post-pandemic version of normal is. Perhaps unlike Polis, I have a strong preference that “some people” doesn’t end up including me. …….
For most of the past several decades, denunciation of “moral relativism” was a mainstay of conservative attacks on liberalism. A moral relativist, by these lights, is someone who thinks that if it feels good, do it; who believes that values are no more than personal preference; who does not believe in fixed notions of right and wrong. Moral relativism, to conservatives, was an engine of American decline, and attacks on this flawed way of living were an engine of Republican electoral success.
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:23 am……..
It’s worth noting the shift in worldviews. During the pandemic, conservatives are much more likely to be relativists—everyone dies of something eventually so let’s keep this disease in perspective—while liberals generally are quicker to assume the absolutist stance—let’s stay shut down for as long as health experts tell us we need to save lives.
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RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:31 amHe is too busy bending over his test tubes to find a cure.
Trump’s gun-toting supporters are firing blanks
…….At the American Patriot Rally at the state Capitol in Lansing, Mich., on Thursday, many of the hundreds of protesters wore red “Make America Great Again” caps or flew “Trump 2020” banners and “Build the Wall” or “Drain the Swamp” signs. Others waved the yellow “Don’t Tread on Me” flags of the tea party. Demonstrators, several armed with military-style guns, then marched into the statehouse and stared down the police.
They didn’t seem to have a plan. They were there to rail against Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s pandemic restrictions, though hers are not so different from those in other states, even those run by Republican governors. They howled about “tyranny” even though the country is now run by the man they helped elect. They fretted about losing their Second Amendment rights even as they carried guns, legally under Michigan law, into the Capitol. They complained about runaway government spending and money-printing even though Trump and the GOP have championed it.
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The president is reportedly angry, too. Not long ago, the plan was clear. Trump would run on a booming economy and against the “socialists.” On March 2, at what would turn out to be his last rally, he boasted that “we just had the largest one-day increase in the stock market in history” and “jobs are booming in our country, incomes are soaring, poverty has plummeted, confidence is surging.” Said he: “Promises made, promises kept.”
No longer. The economy collapsed. “Crazy Bernie” Sanders, the socialist, lost the Democratic presidential nomination. Obamacare is increasingly popular. The trillions of dollars of stimulus Trump signed into law dwarf President Barack Obama’s spending.
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:40 am……..
It would, however, be interesting to see how Mr. Trump would handle this on the debate stage.
Trump: “I said BY the pussy, not .. well you know …”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:47 amAP Exclusive: Harassment, assault absent in Biden complaint
Tara Reade, the former Senate staffer who alleges Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, says she filed a limited report with a congressional personnel office that did not explicitly accuse him of sexual assault or harassment.
“I remember talking about him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable,” Reade said in an interview Friday with The Associated Press. “I know that I was too scared to write about the sexual assault.”
Reade said she described her issues with Biden but “the main word I used — and I know I didn’t use sexual harassment — I used ‘uncomfortable.’ And I remember ‘retaliation.’”
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:51 am…….
“Crazy Bernie” Sanders, the socialist, lost the Democratic presidential nomination.
It seems like that contest may re-open. Bernie still might not get it, but he can derail the nominee if he wants. They cheated him in 2012. They ganged up on him this time, in favor of Biden. If they pull a bait & switch at the Conventions AFTER CANCELLING PRIMARIES, they will have cheated him again, and worse. I bet the Greens would be happy to run him.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 11:52 amYep, imagine, but that’s all you can do, Rob. The idiot had to resign.
Paul Montagu (e5604a) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:14 pmOT- JVW, Dana, DRJ- and FYI to most regulars, my Mom died peacefully today at home. Great timing amidst a global pandemic, eh? I “don’t do death well” [who does?!] so my humor, such as it is, has been my outlet. All of you who’ve bantered back and forth w/me and knew some of the situation and offered help were great– and being the primary ‘caregiver’ and all, you have tolerated me through this long process. ALZ/dementia is a wretched, horrid disease.
But to any of you younger readers, keep this in mind; 40 years ago I’d go sailing w/my Dad and after he’d crack a few beers he’d always say to me, ‘If anything ever happens to me, you take care of your mother!” If I had a dollar for every time he said that, there would be no national debt. And at 25, you’d think that time is a million years off–well, a million years goes by fast and the time arrives. As our family clocks go, I’m next on the runway… but I kept my promise to my father, who passed long ago– and believe I’ve earned my angel wings.
All of you take care and make a special effort to enjoy whatever part of life you’re doing these days– and wear your masks!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:23 pmAs far as lock-downs are concerned, NM has ordered the city and environs of Gallup, NM to be cordoned off by the national guard. Additionally, all residents are to stay indoors. This has to do with the Covid-19 outbreak in the Navajo Nation, where the state lock-down orders were not observed up until recently, resulting in massive numbers of cases in the area.
https://www.abqjournal.com/1450030/gov-lujan-grisham-issues-lockdown-order-for-gallup.html
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:28 pmSo sorry to hear.
RipMurdock (c27351) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:29 pmCondolences on your loss.
I went through the same thing 6 years ago w Mom and last year w Pop. It’s not easy but no matter what you do it’s just a small deposit on the repayment for what they gave you.
You did the right thing and that’s all that matters.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:30 pm_
Oh, my heartfelt condolences to you, DCSCA. What a generous and kind son you were to take care of her through such a wretched season in her life. She could not have asked for a better son, and your dad would no doubt be extremely proud to see how thoughtfully you filled his request. May you find comfort and relief in knowing she is now resting in peace, and that you will begin a new chapter in your life after your season of mourning has passed.
Best to you.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:33 pmTake comfort in the fact you were an exemplary son to your mother. Condolences and best wishes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:33 pmPrediction: When this is over, everyone will assert that THEIR plan would have worked better that”Trump’s.” Including Fauci.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:35 pmStephanie Cutter
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Want to say something here: what is happening to Biden re: Del. records is same that happened to Hillary re: emails. Why are we doing this again? Biden WAS investigated in 2008 — lawyers found nothing. Obama would not have put up with any HINT of any like this. 1/ https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1256378636095160321
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Guy Benson
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Hillary compromised top secret material on a bootleg server, in flagrant violation of the rules, permanently destroyed work-related emails after getting caught, and lied about it endlessly. Biden is accused of sexual assault by a woman with at least some contemporaneous evidence.
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(((AG)))
@AGHamilton29
I’m sure Stephanie would have found “Kavanaugh was investigated when he was nominated for earlier judicial positions — lawyers found nothing” to be a sufficient response when the Ford allegations came out.
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harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:35 pm@johnny2678
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Exactly, who knew that all Kav had to do was go on morning joe and tell Mika, “I didn’t do it”
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Very sorry for your loss, DCSCA. And I’m very sorry that you had to lose her incrementally, to ALZ/dementia.
Leviticus (6159e1) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:37 pmAs our family clocks go, I’m next on the runway… but I kept my promise to my father, who passed long ago– and believe I’ve earned my angel wings.
Good for you. We all have obligations to our parents, to ensure they are safe after they’re unable to take care of themselves, as they did for us when we were young. While I regret what time did to my Mom the last couple of years, and though of maybe easing her passing, she was never for want of care.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:38 pmThe problem in New Mexico:
http://nmindepth.com/2020/04/30/northwest-new-mexico-to-see-tightened-covid-19-restrictions-while-rest-of-state-eases-up/
The statistics chart is clear. Navajo Nation fouled up.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:43 pmThe Navajo have not been so thoroughly capitalized as to reject the company of friends and family as blithely as the rest of us.
Leviticus (6159e1) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:53 pmSorry to hear about your mom, DCSCA. I have a friend who is in a similar situation as you, and I’m guessing that it brings a great deal of sorrow, but also some solace that she is no longer suffering. I hope your memories of her, after your grief subsides, are of her in happier days. I’m sorry too that this has happened during all of this pandemic stuff; my friend’s father who recently died was an absolute titan in my hometown community and under other circumstances he would have had a funeral with the church packed with all those who admired him. I hope you can find an appropriate way to memorialize your mom, and I know that Mother’s Day will likely be a tough day for you.
JVW (54fd0b) — 5/2/2020 @ 12:56 pmCondolences to you and yours, DCSCA.
Paul Montagu (e5604a) — 5/2/2020 @ 1:15 pm“ The Navajo have not been so thoroughly capitalized as to reject the company of friends and family as blithely as the rest of us.”
My sis is an ICU RN in AZ. She deals w NA patients all the time.
Co-morbidities, smoking, alcohol, poor diet, sedentary lifestyle, disinclination to seek treatment until health problems very serious are very real reasons for lower life expectancy in the community.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/2/2020 @ 1:17 pm_
I keep having this Robert Reich tweet sent to me by angry Dems and I’ve exhausted my litany of responses. Ideas?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 1:30 pmAmerica’s billionaires grew their wealth by $282,000,000,000 in just 23 days during the lockdown.
And just how much wealth had America’s billionaires lost in between the point when the market peaked on February 12 and then bottomed out on March 23, Professor Reich?
JVW (54fd0b) — 5/2/2020 @ 1:37 pmMy sincerest condolences, DCSCA.
urbanleftbehind (fdae66) — 5/2/2020 @ 1:52 pmMy sincere thanks to all of you for your comments; you’re good eggs. She’d just turned 89 on 3/22. Helluva good run through a grand era of the American Century. Awfully quiet w/o her around already.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:06 pm“ Co-morbidities, smoking, alcohol, poor diet, sedentary lifestyle, disinclination to seek treatment until health problems very serious are very real reasons for lower life expectancy in the community.”
– harkin
This could describe the entire United States. And the “disinclination” is structural.
Leviticus (6159e1) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:12 pmWhat we already know is that Trump always says he would do better at anything than anyone else. So should we be outraged if someone claims to have had a better plan than Trump? Who actually never had a plan. He reacts to the situation at the moment.
He also attacks or pushes aside people whose honesty makes him “look bad” — such as the HHS watchdog who reported on shortages of supplies and testing delays at hospitals. Trump always puts his own ego first, which is hardly the best way to approach a challenge where other people’s well-being is at stake.
A lot of people are now saying “Don’t listen to the experts. Their predictions were wrong!” Never mind that the predictions of the anti-experts have tended to be more spectacularly wrong. They give themselves the satisfaction of thinking they’re smarter than the experts, but bear no accountability for being spectacularly wrong, because after all they’re not experts!
And they never tell us who should be considered more credible than experts on a given topic.
Radegunda (539c00) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:12 pmIs joe biden a pedophile? Eva murray says when she was 14 groper joe sexually harassed her commenting on her breasts and leering at them at first state gridiron dinner. source law and crime. (and now many other sources on the internet) They also have video of him sexuall harassing young girls on nov. 11 2017.
asset (7f49ea) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:12 pmCondolences, DCSCA. Knowing you never let her down is surely some kind of comfort.
Radegunda (539c00) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:13 pmI want to throw in my 2 cents about the Navajo Nation being decimated by coronavirus. It’s just not as simple as casting blame by saying that “the case and death rates in NM are still climbing, mainly due to the Navajo Nation ignoring the White Man’s Woman’s original order…”
First, it is not unusual for two and three generations of families to share a single home without indoor plumbing and electricity on many reservations. A lack of available housing, poverty, unemployment and are frequently associated with living like this. Another problem is that there is more often than not, long waiting lists for tribal housing on reservations. I know that the tribe that I am registered with has an increasingly long wait list, thus making it necessary for families to double up. Remote locations also factor into the tribal housing shortage. Further, in Navajo Nation, it is estimated that one-third of the people do not have running water in their homes, which makes the necessary hand-washing and sanitation standards of the pandemic very difficult to meet. With regard to medical treatment, there is still an incredible lack of accessibility, as well as limits on what reservation clinics are able to handle (due to their own lack of available medical supplies, technology, personnel, etc). A cousin of mine has Congestive Heart Failure and 20% lung function, as well as diabetes. He has to travel several hours to the nearest reservation clinic that can provide him with the weekly treatments he requires. And we are talking about a far more populated area than Navajo Nation. And yes, there is definitely high percentage of health problems common among Natives, including alcoholism, diabetes, obesity, and smoking. Natives must work harder at changing these practices, and obstacles to that change must be – somehow – overcome, if not removed altogether. Where I live, the Indian Health Clinics have extensive campaigns for Native Americans to work on good health and change their dietary behaviors. They are making great strides in providing tribal members with the keys to changing their health and lifestyles, while still retaining cultural heritage and roots. Of course, again, this is a much more populated region, with great accessibility to grocery stores, medical care, and housing. There are just a lot of obstacles int he path of the more remote tribes, and not every obstacle can, or should be blamed on the Natives themselves.
It’s a unique balance to strike: changing behaviors and rituals while maintaining identity. The pandemic has presented its own horrible and unique set of circumstances that magnify the issues facing the tribes. There is a distrust of outside government, there can be an internal friction between tribal leaders who are pushing for quarantines and social distancing and tribal members who might see this as something to be suspicious of. On top of all of this, we all know that, historically speaking, there hasn’t been a whole lot of reason to trust the federal government. My point is, there are any number of factors that make this more complicated than a sound bite.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:33 pm73. That mistrust of outside government is coupled with demands for that same government to step in when things go wrong. What happens on Native American reservations is a macrocosm of the welfare state.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:54 pmDCSA
mg (8cbc69) — 5/2/2020 @ 2:58 pmMy sincere condolences. I have always greatly respected your care for your mom.
Be safe.
I’m so sorry, DCSCA.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/2/2020 @ 3:24 pmFirst, it is not unusual for two and three generations of families to share a single home without indoor plumbing and electricity on many reservations.
I think this also exacerbated the infection rates in Northern Italy, where multiple generations of a family often continue to live together under one roof. And of course it was that oldest generation that bore the brunt of it, which I imagine is the same in the Navajo communities.
JVW (54fd0b) — 5/2/2020 @ 3:57 pm@50 I’m so sorry for your loss.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/2/2020 @ 4:00 pmI extend my condolences, DCSCA. By the way, my mother was also born in 1931.
norcal (a5428a) — 5/2/2020 @ 4:17 pm“ That mistrust of outside government is coupled with demands for that same government to step in when things go wrong. What happens on Native American reservations is a macrocosm of the welfare state.”
– Gryph
Greedy-a** Injuns, expecting their treaty obligations to be honored. Why don’t they just shuddup and enjoy their designated wasteland?
Leviticus (06f2e0) — 5/2/2020 @ 4:54 pmI think the issue of Barack Obama being eligible to run for VP might be mooted by the Constitution itself.
Article II, Section 1 – No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
As I understand the rules of grammar regarding commas and dependent clauses, the only people eligible to hold the Office of President are those who were citizens in 1789 and we haven’t had a Constitutionally-elected President since William Henry Harrison.
Hey, I’m not a lawyer, but I can nitpick like one and the Founding Father’s casual approach, to Grammatical Construction, including random Capitalization, the tendency to sprinkle about Rhetorical Flourishes, random, and, indeed, at times, Veritably Bounteous, colons, semi-colons, commas, semi-commas and, even, the lesserly cromulentatious comma-colon, as well as the Run-On Sentence, the Run-On Paragraph, Archaick Wording, and the Like makes this Document particularly vexatious and, therefore, hence, consequently, and forsooth, a Lawyer’s Jackpot.
You now owe me a $350 consultancy fee.
Jerryskids (702a61) — 5/2/2020 @ 5:14 pmI typically avoid discussing this issue here because of this sort of blanket response. I should have known better, and should have heeded my own advice.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/2/2020 @ 6:22 pmDCSCA, my condolences to you and the rest of your family. I was in about the same place 8 years ago. It’s far too common.
Kishnevi (ecadcd) — 5/2/2020 @ 7:07 pm1) Fauci will not testify before the House committee but will testify before a Senate committee. I have not heard any explanation of why one but not the other.
2) Back when Hillary was running, Billy Jeff was on TV at one point explaining that they had actually considered the idea of him running as her VP, but decided the 22nd Amendment barred him from serving as VP.
Kishnevi (ecadcd) — 5/2/2020 @ 7:13 pm80. In no place and at no time have I ever called “Indians” “greedy.” I think it’s perfectly reasonable for any voting bloc to expect politicians to adhere to the promises they make, even if those promises do end up at destructive ends.
That said, I live in South Dakota. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Native American in my home town say, “Gee. I’d really love to go back to the reservation.” Many of them work awfully hard to get out of there, somewhat akin to the way someone “from the projects” often wants to “get off the street.” Welfare is a destructive force to any culture, no matter who takes it and no matter what form it takes.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/2/2020 @ 7:52 pm82. Blanket response? You’d have no shame and absolutely no second thoughts about talking about “welfare queens” from the projects. But when it comes to the destructive relationship between the federal government and Native Americans? SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 5/2/2020 @ 7:54 pmDCSCA,
I have been thinking about your loss all afternoon. I am very sorry, especially when a full life ends like this. Thank you for your devotion these past years and hopefully you can focus on joyful times before that. I have a feeling there were many special memories for your Goldwater Girl.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/2/2020 @ 8:10 pmMy condolences, DCSCA. It was 10 years on April 21 since my mother passed away, after suffering from that same condition as your mother for more than 10 years before that.
nk (1d9030) — 5/2/2020 @ 8:15 pmYour mother and your family are in my prayers, DCSCA. You are a good son. May the Lord wipe away every tear and grant you the Peace that only He can give.
felipe (023cc9) — 5/2/2020 @ 8:23 pmThank you, thank you, thank you, all for your comforting comments. They truly help beyond the capacity of this gadget to express.
It is amazing how ‘big’ a ‘small’ home can seem when you’re ‘home alone’ and it is so quiet in the room where the person you grew to routinely look to watch over is suddenly no longer there. Then you wonder why the heck she kept so much junk mail- from 2001 no less- tucked in so many drawers. LOL
And yes, DRJ, only good memories.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/2/2020 @ 8:54 pmThe china flu political mission is being changed from responding to serious crime to apprehending citizens who go out in public. The last person to call now is a cop. They will lock you up and let the robber go. What we have here is top down anarchy. It’s climate change with jack boots and poisoned authority. It’s a symptom of pent up corrupt authority just waiting for the opportunity to fluck with your existence. When taxes are not paid because of this nonsensical shutdown, how will pelosi and mcconnell be paid? Time to rearrange the tree of liberty.
mg (8cbc69) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:39 amDCSCA,
My heartfelt condolences. I’m dealing with a similar situation with my own mother and hope she makes it another year or two. Poor health is a harsh mistress.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/3/2020 @ 7:57 am84. Kishnevi (ecadcd) — 5/2/2020 @ 7:13 pm
Well, there are two possible reasons:
A) The Senate Committee is chaired by a Republican while the House Committee is chaired by a Democrat. That might possibly result is rulings against Fauci decliing to answer some questions.
B) The Senate asked first, and Senators are more important.
That would be a half legitimate reason. Sometimes witnesses agree to appear before on;y one committee.
THe 22nd amendment, combined with the last sentence of the 12th amendment. Did he really need time to figure that out? I say that Bill Clinton floated that idea, if he did, (and saying that they considered it means they floated it) to give some people, not as familiar with the U.S. constitution as Bill Clinton undoubtedly is, the idea he might become president again.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 8:02 amGaslight much? This is plain nonsense.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/3/2020 @ 8:10 amWeird Sh*t Going On In Venezuela Update:
First, there’s the story of an ex-Green Beret and sketchy Venezuela ex-military guy trying and failing to mount an armed coup. It was FUBAR from the get-go.
Second, the Maduro regime is so broke that they’re sending gold to Iran in exchange for “supplies”. The US has a lever to stymie those flights.
Third, Venezuelan prisoners are being starved so badly that they started a riot that killed over two score.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:21 amFourth, like with Trump and tariffs, Maduro can’t think of a better way out of his mess than to use more price controls.
Kirsten Powers
@KirstenPowers
MINI THREAD
I’ve considered responding to the complaints that I have a different standard for Kavanaugh than Biden (I don’t). But I know that nobody complaining here actually is interested in understanding my view. So it’s a waste of time.
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Katie O’Connor
@koconnor34
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But you deleted all of your Kavanaugh tweets?
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HillJack
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:22 am@Hilljack
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*As I grow in my life journey, I reserve the right to ignore sh*t I said just a few months ago.
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I waited a few days after I saw this to post because I couldn’t believe even liberal judges could be this stupid:
Angelo John Gage
@AngeloJohnGage
These 4 judges voted to release the Green River Killer (killed 49 women) because of the #CoronavirusOutbreak. Luckily, 5 other sane judges opposed them and this monster wasn’t let out of jail. All killers should be executed, period.
https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage/status/1254513874298195968?s=20
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:27 am_
Any thoughts on Trump’s well-known habit of contradicting or flat-out denying what he said a few hours (or minutes) ago? Is that — like so much else — a right reserved only to Donald Trump?
Radegunda (354236) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:33 amPlease stay retired.
mg (8cbc69) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:53 amMahalo
I plan to. Please continue to…squirrel!!!
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:56 am94. Nonsense = things Klink disagrees with. Your ad hominem attacks are noted, but that doesn’t change the underlying truth of MG’s assertion.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:05 am“Any thoughts on Trump’s well-known habit of contradicting or flat-out denying what he said a few hours (or minutes) ago? Is that — like so much else — a right reserved only to Donald Trump?”
I’ve already said I did not vote for Trump, that I will not vote for Trump, and that he’s unfit for office.
I’ve also said that removing him from office by any means other than an election would be a very bad idea, especially if it’s based on application of law and govt. elite intent to the double standard we’ve seen most recently in Biden/Kavanaugh and Hillary/Flynn.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:10 am_
Has anyone made the oatmeal according to the recipe I posted?
The last time I did it, I was not as satisfied with the vanilla/almond taste.
This time I am enriching the broth. Instead of three cups of vanilla almond milk (unsweetened) and three cups of water, I am trying 4.5 cups of almond milk, .5 cup of half and half, and 1 cup of water. I also put in one more small pinch of kosher salt. I’ll let you know.
Usually makes about eight servings of 4.75 oz each. I am considering dividing it into 6 or 7 servings only, to beef up the caloric content of the daily serving a tad.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:52 amOh, just read the thread. I am very sorry for your loss, DCSCA.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:00 amNow it’s been proven he wasn’t even there, not that you looked into this carefully before spreading this fake news. But I bet you’re super upset at the media on a regular basis for spreading falsehoods, aren’t you? [chin scratching emoji]
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:10 amI’m starting to get the impression that people who complain about the media aren’t actually interested in truth after all, given how often they peddle poorly researched garbage and fail to openly acknowledge their error once shown wrong.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:12 amWelp.
Dinner organizer says Biden was not at 2008 event where he was accused of sexual harassment
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:30 am102– If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.
I’ve just seen way too many complaints about double standards lodged by people who have carved out a blanket exemption for Trump and are sorely offended by any attempt to hold him to the standards they apply to all others. By and large, Trump defenders have sacrificed any moral ground to complain about double standards.
Also: impeachment of a president is not made illegitimate by the fact that other presidents have gotten away with similar things. Impeachment is not a legal trial. And besides questions of law, there’s the reality that Trump is a sociopath with a disordered mind. He treated acquittal by partisans in the Senate as permission to do whatever he wants (see “Ukraine”), and as reason to be even more vindictive toward anyone who wounds his ego.
His mental pathology makes him poorly fit to handle a crisis with any kind of plan or any real concern for anyone but himself. For all of Pence’s faults — such his abject posture of reverence for Trump (which of course Trump demands of all around him) — I think there’s little doubt that he would have been a steadier hand in the present situation. And fewer Republicans would be headed into November inclined to vote Dem just to get the sociopath out of the Oval Office.
Radegunda (354236) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:39 amWell, now I’m really gonna try it.
Radegunda (354236) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:44 am“ I’m starting to get the impression that people who complain about the media aren’t actually interested in truth after all…..”
Sadly, neither are many people who work for the media, which is why (along with obvious double standards) so many people complain about the media, and which btw helped put Trump in the White House.
harkin (e7e3ee) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:45 amLove almond cookies, almond milk not at all.
harkin (e7e3ee) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:46 amInteresting. With the changes in the recipe, I made about 42 ounces of oatmeal as opposed to the usual 38. Dividing into six portions rather than the usual eight, I get about 7 ounces a serving rather than 4.75.
The usual caloric content (for 4.75 ounces) is 150 calories, with 2.5 grams of fat and 5 grams of protein. The new, larger version, heavier on almond “beverage” and including some half and half, is (for 7 ounces) 263 calories, with 8.5 grams of fat, and 8.2 grams of protein. That will be a far more filling meal.
I think I prefer the richness of this recipe and portion size. We’ll see how well it reheats through the week.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:48 amI ate a standard instant bowl of oatmeal early in the morning because I had run out of the leftovers of the steel cut version from my last cook. In late morning I could not resist downing one of the new portions, leaving me just five portions to go. Between the two, I am now very, very pleasantly full. It feels like it will last the next few hours.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/3/2020 @ 11:50 amAs a humanitarian gesture during these difficult times, I think you should accept web orders for your oatmeal.
🙂
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 12:12 pmFor many years I’ve stewed over media bias — what’s covered vs. what isn’t, or the tone and prejudicial labeling, e.g. the spectrum going from “far right” on one end to “liberal” on the other — no far leftists anywhere!
But promoting Donald Trump as some kind of antidote to dishonesty is bizarre in the extreme.
While “the media” might mislead by omission, or otherwise skew sympathies in one direction, or get some things wrong, Trump flat-out lies with great regularity and appears to have no understanding of true vs. false apart from what serves his ego and interests. He clearly believes that “fairness” in reporting boils down to what makes him look good.
It’s been eye-opening to see a large proportion of self-described conservatives basically adopt the Trumpian standard of media fairness, while giving Trump a total pass for his congenital dishonesty (and countless other faults). It isn’t that I’ve stopped regarding much of “the media” as ideologically skewed to the left, but I’ve become more doubtful that the complaints about “media bias” are all motivated by a pure devotion to truthfulness.
Radegunda (354236) — 5/3/2020 @ 12:21 pmThe only thing surprising is that he was stupid enough to post it in public.
Heck, even that isn’t surprising: there have been plenty of other people who’ve said equally bad stuff and gotten burned for it.
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 5/3/2020 @ 12:38 pmasset wrote:
As it happens, Eva Murray is the niece of Christine O’Donnell, who ran against Joe Biden for the Senate in 2008, and who was the TEA Party candidate who upset Representative Mike Castle (D-DE) for the GOP Senate nomination in 2010. Yes, her story could be true, but given her family connection, and that she has a political reason to slam Mr Biden, I don’t think it can be taken as a serious claim. Too much reason to make it up.
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 5/3/2020 @ 12:47 pmEva Murray gave an exact time and place. A whole lot of friends said that they knew about the accusation for ten years. A lot of Trump supporters have presented this as proof Biden’s a pedophile.
Biden’s folks are documenting that he wasn’t at that place at that time. Fox News helpfully provides a defense ‘well maybe it happened in a different year.’ That doesn’t make sense given how much emphasis was placed on Eva’s age.
We see now that there’s probably a drip drip drip of accusations planned against Biden leading up to nastier ones in October, hoping to suppress turnout on election day.
What’s unfortunate is how politicizing sexual assault affects actual victims, who are less likely to be supported or believed.
And say what you will about Biden and his many awkward shoulder rubs (that we’ve all seen on camera). Trump’s bragged about actual awful sexual conduct. Peeping at pageants. Gropping women. Kissing married women without any indication they want it. Paying off that prostitute with campaign funds. All these problems were eye-rolled as naive problems we shouldn’t care about, while Biden’s obviously less offensive, rather less verified problems are proof.
It doesn’t prove much about Biden, but it really proves something about the GOP.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 1:17 pmChina’s Xinhua News Agency responds to Trump
Hmmm.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 1:31 pmHeckle & Jeckle…
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/larry_elder_sharpton_biden_05-03-2020.jpg
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2020 @ 1:37 pmDave, I was listening to the Chinese Ambassador to the UK yesterday on the BBC, and the guy was spinning like a top. Obviously, Xi decided on a propaganda/disinformation campaign. The guy wouldn’t even acknowledge that the RNA originated from Chinese bats.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/3/2020 @ 1:56 pmAnd much of Trumpworld says that people who disapprove of Trump are actually opposed to “masculinity.” So the behavior that Trump has boasted of must be how they think a real man should behave.
Radegunda (354236) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:05 pmDustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 1:17 pm
If there are people that say she told them within a few years, that matches every kind of “proof” that Tara Reade has, and proves that, not only can women lie, but people saying that they were told something like this by the accuser, can also lie.
Just like there was with Brett Kavanaugh with accusers Deborah Ramirez and Julie Swetnick. We’ve seen this plot before. More than once.
The ones that come later are nastier, but they are also less credible.
(Probably inherently)
I don’t know whether you can say they are reserved for later because they are nastier or because they are less credible because the two things tend to go together. I need to think about that.
Don’t forget the earlier charges against Joe Biden from late last year, which were also probably false, even if they on;y accused him of doing a little bit more than what he did on camera.
Usually they build on something real. In the case of Brett Kavanaugh they built on a yearboook entry.
Of course this is a conspiracy theory. They are counting on people being afraid to allege a conspiracy theory. We mustn’t be afraid of conspiracy theory. Besides, an accusation that Joe Biden covered it up, and gt people who worked for him to lie, is <i< also a conspiracy theory.
The question is, not whether or not you believe in a conspiracy theory with regard to Tara Reade, but which conspiracy theory.
Right now I would say it’s Vladimir Putin, in alliance with people on the fringes of American politics, who are interested in framing Joe Biden. But this might be independent. It looks a little cookie cutter.
This will go on until the whole conspiracy to make up things is exposed – and it will be. They can on;y do this ting a limited umber of times before some secret is revealed. I think they threw Michael Avenatti under the bus.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:11 pmDustin:
It wasn’t campaign funds.
The argument is that, by its very nature, it was an unrecorded (and illegal for a corporation or for an individual if over $2,800) campaign contribution.
Now I would say that if anybody else besides Donald Trump paid off someone it was a campaign contribution, but for Donald Trump himself it wasn’t because he had other than campaign reasons to purchase their silence.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:11 pmMy understanding was that it was not with campaign funds, but in violation of campaign finance laws since it was an unreported expenditure intended to influence the election.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:18 pmOh, say it isn’t so! They hooked dem ‘horns!
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14813
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:31 pmThe White House has been using a rapid coronovirus test made by Abbott Laboratories to screen anyone who goes in to see the president or vice president. They can;’t do that many, they are still rationing/
Congrss uses the older test that takes two days or more to get an answer.
So some members of Congress didn’t want to assemble. The House cancelled; Mitch MCConell insisted that the Senate meet.
There was a Politico and later a New York Times story about this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/us/politics/coronavirus-testing-senate-white-house.html
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, in ajoint statement, tured it down
They said they waned these test kits to be by front line workers.
They would not be taking them away from anybody else.
Most of these test kits were not being used three or four weeks ago:
https://www.medtechdive.com/news/over-90-of-1m-abbott-coronavirus-tests-sitting-idle-white-house-official/575794
Refusing to use these tests does not automatically make them available to anyone else – and in fact it maybe advertises them.
This is just posturing.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:33 pmPushing back against the CCP and their paid shills…
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/world/europe/backlash-china-coronavirus.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:34 pmhttps://twitter.com/wretchardthecat/status/1255975490856398849
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:34 pm* Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, in ajoint statement, turned it down
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/02/849638799/pelosi-and-mcconnell-decline-white-house-offer-of-coronavirus-tests-for-capitol-
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:37 pmhttps://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256721351722876933
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:41 pm125. Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:18 pm
That;s the claim, but if Donald Trump had run the expenditure trough his campaign, he could have been accused of using campaign funds for persoal expenses.
What I say is that for Michael Cohen it was a campaign contribution, or a loan to the campaign without collateral, and it was an illegal corporate campaign contribution for the National Equirer to buy the rights to the story (catch and kill) of former Playboy Playmate of the Year Karen McDougal’s, who had an affair with Donald Trump in 206-7 that lasted ten months, but for Donald Trump himself it was not a campaign contribution. That’s the way to analyze it. The National Enquirer didn’t have a business reason for doing that (although they pretended they did) and Michael Cohen didn’t have a personal motive for spending so much money as a gift or an unsecured loan to Donald Trump.
Michael Cohen is not getting out of jail because of coronavirus after all.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 2:52 pmI am not under any orders, but I haven;t been outdoors since March 25 and before that March 22 and otherwise March 21 when I went to someoe nd he d thermometer and that measured my temperature as 101 degrees. The synagogue I go to and the library also closed so I didn’t have much of a reason to go anywhere. I am not buying anything except a tiny bit online.
I probably got infected on March 6 or so, with something that stayed in the back of my throat. I was really not feeling well (didn’t eat much) from about March 20 to March 30. Not that bad either.
Never was there shortness of breath.
I don’t think it’s completely gone yet, so I don’t want to go outside. If I did I probaly would, at worst, give someone a mild infection, even an immunization. 21% of people shopping at New York City suermarkets had anti-coronavirus antibodies the week of April 20-24. It was up to about 25% last
The city opened more parks, but they are enforcing the usual rules, even though they don’t really make sense. There’s nothing special about six feet. Outdoor in daylight is far less of a risk than indoors. A virus droplet can even float 100 feet. We actually have no idea how people get infected, but it is probably not usually from somebody coughing nearby, although that will do it sometimes.
Note:
One cough = 5 minutes speaking.
A lot of people – the same people? – day after day in a confined space indoors with poor circulation = a Petri dish for Covid-19. One person can slowly infect dozens.
The dose matters. Extra exposures matter.
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Anyway, my brother ordered an ear thermometer for me and it took about six weeks to arrive, (he told me it would take that long; I told him to order it anyway) It came last Wednesday and I got it last Thursday. My temperature was 99.2 at 5:15 om Thursday.
That was still elevated and I think means something.
It hasn’t been that high since (even dropping to maybe 98.5 on Friday morning, – and even earlier I got a reading of 97.5 but I had just drunk cold water) but was measured at 98.8 or 98.8 (alternate ears)
It is now at 98.8. I don’t discount that, although I’d like to find out if anyone knows more.
I think that is still a little high and indicates there is still an infection – besides I can feel something. Mild tiredness. I can tell the difference between feeling a little “under the weather” and feeling completely fine. It sometimes can get to that level but doesn’t remain there overnight.
and figured it out on Friday.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 3:29 pmOutside the context of the election Trump is proud of his Epstein side, so I disagree. Campaign contribution, funds, expense.
And this discussion is always fascinating. But Obama wore a tan suit that time!
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 3:41 pmbut for Donald Trump himself it wasn’t because he had other than campaign reasons to purchase their silence.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 3:41 pm
Ina recorded conversation, Michael Cohen says he should reimburse the Natioal ENquirer because the National Enquirer might publish it (and other stores) later and you don’t know if David Pecker might get hit by a truck, and the policy of the National Enquirer change.
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/25/17610856/trump-cohen-tape-karen-mcdougal-explained
Now when is David Pecker going to get hit by a truck? Before the election, or after the election? It’s only a matter of days till the 2016 election.
Shall we say that Donald Trump was thinking of his re-election campaign in 2020?
Yes, at an earlier time in his life, Donald Trump talked about these kinds of things but he wasn’t cultivating that kind of a reputation then, or with most people.
at the minimum, Trump had mixed morives.
Bit what motive would Michael Cohen and AMI have? This is too much to ascribe to friendship.
That’s why I say, whether or not it is a campaign cotribution depends on who is putting up the moey.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 4:02 pmhttps://nypost.com/2020/05/03/fda-approves-coronavirus-antibody-test-that-boasts-near-perfect-accuracy/
Next steps
NJRob (7a872e) — 5/3/2020 @ 4:42 pm* otherwise Friday March 20 when I went to someone and he had a thermometer and that measured my temperature as 101 degrees Fahrenheit.
(Not March 21)
I went out on March 22 and again on March 25. With a flimsy mask that was attached to the ears I’d been given on March 20.
I felt worst the week of about March 23 through Monday March 30. I had no visitors (just telephone calls)
I didn’t take my temperature again until Thursday, April 23. The highest it was since was 99.2. It was last at 98.8.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 4:47 pmThe New York Post also has an article that tries to knock down the idea of antibody tests.
They’re good, but people have different levels of antibodies.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 4:48 pm@NJRob
That story will be in tomorrow’s newspaper.
This is a full fledged blood test. It requires drawing blood. Most likely in a doctor’s office or in a hospital..
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 4:54 pmE-mail from maling list of New York Governor Cuomo:
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:02 pmIndeed, sounds promising, although I’d like to understand how well they have measured the 99.8% specificity.
To measure it within 0.05% (which would mean there is a 25% uncertainty in the number of false positives) would require 8000 trials.
Not impossible, but much larger than the number I’ve typically seen reported.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:06 pmGodwin’s Law:
Santa Barbara News-Press owner compares COVID restrictions to Nazi Germany; editor exits
The Santa Barbara News-Press lost its editor in chief this weekend after the newspaper published an editorial by owner and co-publisher Wendy McCaw that accused Democratic lawmakers of using the coronavirus for their own political agenda and compared stay-at-home orders to Nazi Germany.
“Our liberties are being stripped for what, a virus?? Think about this,” McCaw wrote in the editorial, published Friday and titled “We are living in tyranny.”
She continued: “If this country can be put into this situation by a virus, what would it take to completely turn us into the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany? We are not that far away now, having to stand in line to get into supermarkets….”
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:13 pm…… I
Are you feeling better Sammy?
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:13 pmThat’s conjecture. Speculation. Cohen already pled guilty to that campaign finance felony as part of his plea deal.
Paul Montagu (8c4e7b) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:18 pmThe only good day is yesterday. That’s the motto of the Navy SEALS, by the way. And it’s a good motto to live by.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:29 pmAt least Gov. Cuomo didnt appropriate Stan Lee… or is Latin the whitest of the white man’s languages now. (Re: S. Finkelman post #140).
urbanleftbehind (c7ce9d) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:32 pmCity’s proclamation requiring face masks in stores and restaurants is amended after threats of violence
An emergency proclamation issued Thursday in Stillwater, Oklahoma, requiring the use of face masks in stores and restaurants was amended Friday after threats of violence.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” Stillwater City Manager Norman McNickle said in a statement.
“In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of Covid-19.”
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:36 pm……
J. Crew Likely to File for Bankruptcy in Virus’s First Big Retail Casualty
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:43 pmJ. Crew, the mass-market clothing company whose preppy-with-a-twist products were worn by Michelle Obama and appeared at New York Fashion Week, is expected to file for bankruptcy protection as soon as Monday. It would be the first major retailer to fall during the coronavirus pandemic, though other big industry names including Neiman Marcus and J.C. Penney are likewise struggling with the devastating toll of mass shutdowns.
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The pandemic has been disastrous for the already weakened retail industry. In March, sales of clothing and accessories fell by more than half. The numbers for April are expected to only be worse, because many stores were open for at least some of March (e-commerce, a relatively small contributor to total sales for most store chains, is not enough to make up for the closures).
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The Coronavirus Becomes a Battle Cry for U.S. Extremists
America’s extremists are attempting to turn the coronavirus pandemic into a potent recruiting tool both in the deep corners of the internet and on the streets of state capitals by twisting the public health crisis to bolster their white supremacist, anti-government agenda.
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April is typically a busy month for white supremacists. There is Hitler’s birthday, which they contort into a celebration. There is the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, the domestic attack 25 years ago that killed 168 people and still serves as a rallying call for new extremist recruits.
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Embellishing Covid-19 developments to fit their usual agenda, extremists spread disinformation on the transmission of the virus and disparage stay-at-home orders as “medical martial law” — the long-anticipated advent of a totalitarian state.
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One subculture known as “accelerationists” lives in constant expectation of a race war that will topple the federal government. The pandemic became the latest in a long line of possible igniters.
Some label their expected second civil war “the boogaloo,” and experts have tracked a spike in interest in the term on social media, plus a proliferation of advice on how to prepare.
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 5:53 pm……..
Several recent plots have been linked to people who frequented such discussions.
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Bush Calls for Unity. Trump Attacks Bush. And Then a Host of Others
President Trump had a quick reaction on Sunday after former President George W. Bush called for national unity. He attacked Mr. Bush.
National unity, Mr. Trump made clear, was not on his agenda for the day, even as the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic that has ravaged the country passed 67,000 and tens of millions of out-of-work Americans struggled to get by.
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Mr. Trump, who spent the weekend at Camp David in his first getaway since most of the nation began locking down in mid-March, seemed peeved at a three-minute video message posted by Mr. Bush that made no mention of the current president but warned against partisanship in a time of peril.
……. [T]he sitting president clearly took the message as an implicit rebuke. In a Twitter message, Mr. Trump paraphrased a Fox News personality saying, “Oh bye the way, I appreciate the message from former President Bush, but where was he during Impeachment calling for putting partisanship aside.”
Mr. Trump then added in his own voice: “He was nowhere to be found in speaking up against the greatest Hoax in American history!”
Hours later, Mr. Trump went after another predecessor, reposting a tweet from a pro-Trump website accusing Mr. Obama of plotting against him. “Evidence has surfaced that indicates Barack Obama was the one running the Russian hoax,” said the original message retweeted by the president.
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In a less feisty moment, the president did take time out to post a message praising his golf course in Scotland.
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 6:06 pm……..
Trump acknowledged that the virus has proved more lethal than he had expected
President Trump predicted on Sunday night that the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic ravaging the country may reach as high as 100,000 in the United States, far higher than he had forecast just weeks ago, even as he pressed states to begin reopening the shuttered economy.
Mr. Trump, who last month forecast that 60,000 lives would be lost, acknowledged that the virus has proved more devastating than he had expected but said he believe parks and beaches should begin reopening and schools should resume classes in person by this fall.
“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual “town hall” meeting on Fox News. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”
But he credited himself with preventing the toll from being worse. ……
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[H]e he also acknowledged he was warned about the coronavirus in his regular intelligence briefing on Jan. 23 but asserted that the information was characterized as if “it was not a big deal.”
Mr. Trump confirmed reports that his intelligence briefings cited the virus even as he argued that it had not been presented in an alarming way that demanded immediate action.
“On Jan. 23 I was told that there could be a virus coming in but it was of no real import,” Mr. Trump said. “In other words, it wasn’t, ‘Oh, we’ve got to do something, we’ve got to do something.’ …….
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/3/2020 @ 6:16 pm…….
Trump’s Daily Routine
Dave (1bb933) — 5/3/2020 @ 6:19 pmWeird how Trump specifically said today on Fox that he was first briefed on January 23rd about Coronavirus. Weird, because the day before he said…
So was he lying then or lying now? My belief? He was lying then, lying now, and lying in all the time in between.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/3/2020 @ 6:30 pm38. John B Boddie (f7954e) — 5/2/2020 @ 10:46 am
The ational archives said it would still be in the Senate, so they’re searching i the Senate (or maybe both places)
Meanwhile, Tara Reade gave an interview to the Associated Press on Friday in which she said that her current allegation is not in he complaint, and it doesn’t mention the words “sexual harassment” just “unccmfortable” and “retaliation”
She hints it might have been about being asked to serve drinks “because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty” She doesn’t actually say that that was in the complaint, but that she “remembers talking” about it. She says she knows she was too scared to write about sexual assault. The retaliation would be what she now claims – removal from job assignments.
And then she later tweeted that the AP story was “false” without saying what was false about it.
Possibly this means what the AP said about their interview with her last year.
The New York Daily News says she “initially spoke about the Biden allegations and the report” last year but the AP (said it?) declined to publish the story “because reporters were unable to corroborate her allegations, and aspects of her story contradicted other reporting.”
At that time she said “They have this counseling office or something. I think I walked in there once, but then I chickened out.”
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 8:00 pm153. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/3/2020 @ 6:30 pm
But in different ways.
Now he wasn’t lying so much about it being control, except the overstated his confdence that that was true. He was being told they could contain it, like SARS and MERS.
And he was lying about having a great relationship with President Xi.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 8:09 pmHe might have been lying then about being briefed by the CDC or just ignored that qualification “CDC”
The Secretary of HHS talked to him.
He clearly had heard somwthing.
Trump would not like to sdmt to anything but the best source.
The date of Jan 23 he gives now for the CDC is correct because they would have looked that up
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 8:14 pmhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/03/04/cleaning-your-house-may-be-as-bad-as-smoking-20-cigarettes-a-day/#74d4b8f730c0
I knew it was poison to breathe it in.
And conversely, cigarette smoke may be a good disinfectant.
Lancet article from 10 years ago:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(01)19838-7/fulltext
This could explain wy fewer than expected smokers were being admitted to the hospital with Covid-19.
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/smokers-seem-less-likely-than-non-smokers-to-fall-ill-with-covid-19
The explanation is simple:
Trump was maybe not so wrong about disinfecting someone’s lungs. Although I am sure ethyl alcohol is better.(and it’s also probably true that exhaled cigarette smoke contains virus particles.)
Vodka in a Juul, maybe?.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/3/2020 @ 9:37 pmSome days you gotta drink the kool-aid, other days, you gotta drink the bleach.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:20 pmSammy, you don’t need to inhale ethyl alcohol to get it into your lungs. All you need to do is drink it. Alcohol is eliminated by the lungs. Your blood carries it there, and you breathe it out. That’s why the police use breathalyzers to test drunk drivers.
As for smoking:
The biggest problem with voodoo medicine is that it does not understand cause and effect. I have heard two rational explanations from doctors about smokers and coronavirus:
1. The epithelium of smokers’ lungs is too damaged to provide a good host for the virus; and
2. The immune systems of smokers are too weakened to react with cytokine storms (which is what kills people on ventilators and not respiratory failure).
If you want an analogy, think why amputees don’t need to worry about ingrown toenails.
Don’t start inhaling things you already don’t without a doctor’s prescription, Sammy. A real, 21st century Western medicine doctor, not a mystic.
nk (1d9030) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:29 pmGiven the geography, I hope this not a certain someone abusing their mourning period: http://www.huffpost.com/entry/santee-san-diego-kkk-grocery-shopper_n_5eaf9fb6c5b639d6e578a543
May the 4th be with all…and no, it’s based on resistance to Nazi German expansionism, not the on the Viet Cong.
urbanleftbehind (0b87f2) — 5/4/2020 @ 6:23 amNope, Trump was, is, and will be, a moron. Who is clueless when it comes to any topic, especially topics that require common sense.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/4/2020 @ 7:07 amTrump invokes Lincoln to explain his bullying, bragging and rambling at coronavirus briefings
Sitting inside the cavernous Lincoln Memorial on Sunday for Fox News’s virtual town hall, President Trump appeared to draw inspiration from his surroundings when asked about why he uses divisive language and dodges questions during White House coronavirus briefings.
“I am greeted with a hostile press, the likes of which no president has ever seen. The closest would be that gentleman right up there,” Trump said from his perch on a high-backed stool, pointing at the imposing marble statue of martyred president Abraham Lincoln in the background. Lincoln was assassinated in April, 1865.
“They always said, ‘Lincoln, nobody got treated worse than Lincoln,’” Trump continued. “I believe I am treated worse.”
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Though the town hall lasted for more than an hour, with Trump fielding a wide range of questions about his administration’s coronavirus response, his comment about Lincoln emerged as one of the most talked about moments of the night. By early Monday, “Lincoln” and “Lincoln Memorial” were still trending on Twitter. Some critics of Trump interpreted him to be likening his situation to the martyrdom of one of the nation’s most revered leaders and rushed to ridicule him.
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Sunday also wasn’t the first time Trump has compared himself to Lincoln and specifically to the treatment of Lincoln by the media of the era.
Since the beginning of his presidency, Trump and his base have turned to Lincoln for superlatives about the Trump presidency, ranging from general likability to the support of African Americans. The comparison, as The Washington Post’s Gene Weingarten wrote, is largely expected given that Trump once said, “Nobody’s ever done a better job than I’m doing as president.”
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/4/2020 @ 8:02 am……
On the subject of Lincoln, Trump appears to have been influenced by, among others, Newt Gingrich.
In one tweet from January 2019, Trump quoted Gingrich, noting that the former Republican House speaker “just stated that there has been no president since Abraham Lincoln who has been treated worse or more unfairly by the media than your favorite President, me!”
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150. nk (1d9030) — 5/3/2020 @ 10:29 pm
I am not about to try anything, in large part because I don’t need it. I even stopped taking Vitamin C pills several weeks ago.
I think it is eliminated by the liver. It escapes from the lungs, like carbon dioxide.
It can cause liver damage, or dysfunction, because it uses up enzymes, and that can cause a shortage of Vitamin B1. And some people don’t break it down the same as others
rs.
Or are you saying that the lungs more important than the liver?
The question is, of course, the concentration of alcohol.
Okay so what;s going on with smokers?
Maybe, but other things would be true if that was true. Maybe the virus needs something that is not always the case to infect a cell.
If that was the case, elderly people would be less vulnerable.
Both of these theories would apply also to ex-smokers. If it’s the cigarette smoke itself, it would only apply to current smokers.
It is probably not true that cytokine storms are what usually kills. This was one of the theories as to why Hydroxychloroquine. The other two had it preventing cells from getting infected.
There have been a number of medications that seem to correlate with less infection and with more.
Hydroxochloroquine was one. Pepcid was another, and was being used and tested (quietly). And Thorozine is a third. (I don’t know how much it, or perhaps something else that might have the same effect, is administered now, but someone might check whether mental institutions are having the same death rate as nursing homes.)
Probably also the anti-HIV antiviral protease inhibitors, but they allowed one or two foreign studies to stop investigation of that.
One thing that makes it worse, that Dr. Anthony Fauci is willing to talk about (he’s all for not doing things) is a blood pressure medication which the newspapers won’t name. They won;t even say the type.
All of these things are important, not just for themselves, but for clues as to how the virus works. In the end, it has to make sense.
And then there are genetic differences between individuals, always important for diseases.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/4/2020 @ 8:25 am161. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/4/2020 @ 7:07 am
e actually was clueless here. He didn;t realize that things like bleach are not specific to “germs”
But i n brainstorming sometimes crazy and wrong ideas can be modified.
The UV light idea, which the indicated was something he discussed earlier wth one of the persons there, actually was something. It was investigated for tuberculosis in the 1940s, but was stopped because antibiotics are much better. As is convalescent plasma and artificial antibodies for coronavirus.
The artificial antibodies could not be taken orally, but there’s the delivery system invented for use with a vaccine at the University of Pittsburgh.
Some things which are not better, have a push owing to the head start that have sometimes in getting approval and the public relations campaign behind it, while others seem to fall by the wyside.
Anyway, Trump was handicapped by his ignorance.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/4/2020 @ 8:34 amAnother thing that helps is the BCG vaccine. It is not actually a very good vaccine against tuberculosis.
But it kick starts the immune system into more activity for a few day after it is administered.
You might think that makes it harder to fight off a different infection. Maybe that depends on nutrition.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/4/2020 @ 8:37 amThe Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.
The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.
RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/4/2020 @ 9:30 am……….
Th one thin that Fauci hasn’t denigrated is ventilators. That’s because it is long established. But doctors were saying and writing to each other that it was doing harm, with this disease at least.
The CDC (he’s not the CDC) was not even telling doctors to place people on ventilatrs on their their stomachs.
There seem to be more people admitted to hospitls with Covid-19 but fewer deaths proportionately.
They’re getting better at treating most people and geared up for it too. And maybe admitting more people.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/4/2020 @ 12:42 pm100. RipMurdock (bdc76b) — 5/4/2020 @ 9:30 am
They don;t realizee, even now </b. THAT THEIR MODELING IS WRONG?
(Too high. At the beginning they were too low, and assumed it could be contained by tracing. Now maybe 6 out 7 imported cases were contained, bu not every one. The first cases in New York were from China, but the big epidemic was from Italy.
By the way, there seems to be a big connection with skiing. What, at a ski resort, was so conducive to spreading the virus?
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Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 5/4/2020 @ 12:47 pmThe bar, the ski lift, the bus, the airplane, hot tub, the elevator…
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/4/2020 @ 1:31 pm