California: No More Protests on State Property
[guest post by Dana]
After California protests last weekend, where residents rallied to have the state’s ongong stay-at-home restrictions lifted so that people could return to work, Gov. Newsom cautioned future protesters that, when exercising their right to speech, make sure to adhere to social distancing measures:
I just want to encourage people that when you practice your free speech — which I don’t [just] embrace, I celebrate — just do so safely. This virus knows no political ideology. It doesn’t know if you are Republican or Democrat, supporting the president, opposing the president, so practice physical distancing. Make sure that you are not infecting others. Even if you feel healthy and have no symptoms, you can spread this.
The worst mistake we can make is making a precipitous decision based on politics and frustration that puts peoples’ lives at risk and ultimately sets back the cause of economic growth and economic recovery.
On Monday, protesters at the state Capitol, ignored his directive:
Just walked out of the CA Capitol to this.
The west lawn completely disregarding state and county physical distancing orders pic.twitter.com/QMaMUCesap
— Ashley Zavala (@ZavalaA) April 20, 2020
The massive crowd outside of the California state Capitol is now parading through the area. No one I’ve seen participating is wearing masks.
“There’s a revolution coming” blasting through speaker. pic.twitter.com/ExcmXs0rpN
— Ashley Zavala (@ZavalaA) April 20, 2020
As a result of the flagrant disregard of social distancing measures, permits will no longer be issued for events on state properties:
Following Monday’s protest at the state Capitol where demonstrators defied Gov. Gavin Newsom’s orders banning large gatherings, the California Highway Patrol says it will no longer issue permits for events at any state properties, including the Capitol.
“Permits are issued to provide safe environments for demonstrators to express their views,” the CHP said in a statement. “In this case, the permit for the convoy was issued with the understanding that the protest would be conducted in a manner consistent with the state’s public health guidance.
“That is not what occurred, and CHP will take this experience into account when considering permits for this or any other group.”
The ban on large public events in California “will remain in place until health officials decide it’s safe for people to gather in large groups given measures to slow the spread of the coronavirus”.
Protesters are now protesting the ban:
Stefanie Duncan Fetzer, an Orange County activist who helped plan the rally, said protesters are considering whether to file a lawsuit against the state, arguing the policy violates their right to freedom of speech.
“It’s unfortunate that the CHP has opted to violate their oath of office by violating the Constitution,” she said.
Duncan Fetzer said the group has an application “pending” for a May 1 protest at the Capitol. She added, “We’re not going to change our plans.”
While some groups organizing protests in California are urging protesters to remain in their vehicles during protests, and to follow recommended safety guildelines for wearing masks in public, too many are ignoring the directives.
There is no doubt that protesting Californians are truly frightened about what the future holds for them if they cannot return to work, hold onto their house or put food on the table. This is a horrible situation Americans at large find themselves in, through no fault of their own. But it’s unfortunate that, in their anger at the state and federal government, taking safety measures that help limit the rate of infection have been dismissed as an unwelcome intrusion, and nothing more than government overreach. Reasonable precautions that might benefit everyone have simply become too much of an ask. It’s as if there is a complete disconnect from the logical outcome of ignoring social distancing measures when in public: The rate of infection will increase, more people getting sick means less people working, and all of this will result in a necessary extension of the stay-at-home restrictions (until the infection rates slow). And unfortunately, for every reasonable concern, these protests are a magnet for conspiracy nuts : A protester on a mega phone is proposing to gather 10,000 people here at the Capitol for a month. “And if nobody gets sick we prove the coronavirus is a lie.”
P.S. From a CBS poll of 2,112 residents this week:
A CBS News poll published Thursday reports that 70 percent of respondents believe the country’s top priority should be to “try to slow the spread of coronavirus by keeping people home and social distancing, even if the economy is hurt in the short term.”
Only 30 percent think the top national priority should instead be to “try to get the economy going by sending people back to work, even if it means more people might be exposed to coronavirus.”
–Dana
How hard it is to wear a damn mask and keep a healthy distance from your neighbor! These protesters are not doing themselves any favors, and are weakening their message by doing stupid stuff.
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 11:55 amThey can’t all be as smart as members of The Congress….
Expand the tweet thread and enjoy:
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1253364169635762176?s=20
harkin (8f4a6f) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:04 pmAnd oh yeah……
Jason Howerton
@jason_howerton
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Nancy Pelosi WIPES HER NOSE with her finger and then touches the podium that all lawmakers are sharing today.
No mask over her face.
These are the people who spend trillions of our dollars.
Think about that.
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1253381201701875713?s=20
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Can’t wait for new rule: NO MORE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON FEDERAL PROPERTY
harkin (8f4a6f) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:10 pmAll you cowards out there trying to push your “social distancing” agenda, this is the fruit of what you have sown. And the longer this goes on, the more pushback there will be.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:38 pmThese death cult sociopaths may need to be rounded up and placed in protective custody.
(Our protection, not theirs.)
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:40 pmCalifornia: No More Protests on State Property
Can they really do that– or is I just posturing? What about county or city venues??
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:50 pmLet no crisis go to waste… https://knowledgeworks.org/resources/state-guidance-resilient-equitable-education-systems/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:52 pmOn the other hand, what a glorious time to be free…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:54 pmModeration??? Why? Which term is causing this?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 12:54 pmAnd that applies to states, too. A prohibition against petitioning the state on state property is merely petty, and cannot stand. Utterly no interest that concerns the state is affected by the difference between being on or off state property.
And there is also the consideration that the People own that “state property.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:02 pmIt is rather disingenuous of the state to complain that those protesting the state’s demands are not following them nonetheless. If they DID show up in masks and distanced themselves, the same state officials would be accusing them (correctly) of clear hypocrisy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:04 pmHow hard it is to wear a damn mask and keep a healthy distance from your neighbor!
Because they don’t accept your premise? And that’s WHY there are there?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:06 pmNonsense.
Preventing a lawless mob from recklessly endangering the health of everyone who works in or needs to transact business (e.g. applying for unemployment benefits) with state officials is not a legitimate interest of the state?
If they brought radioactive or toxic waste and dumped it outside state offices, it would be the same principle.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:09 pmAre they crowding building entrances? Or are they just on open parkland. The order makes no such claim, and has little to do with the order.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:11 pmIf they brought radioactive or toxic waste and dumped it outside state offices, it would be the same principle.
And would be if it wasn’t public property. If the state actually wants to go here, it has to ban such assemblies ANYWHERE. Limiting to public property (which is somehow closed to the public) is simply petty.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:12 pmCalifornia: No More Protests on State Property
Can they really do that– or is it just ‘posturing?’ What about county or city venues??
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:12 pmPreventing a lawless mob from recklessly endangering the health of everyone
They think that is just fear talking. Why do they have to accept your theories? They are PROTESTING them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:14 pm>How hard it is to wear a damn mask and keep a healthy distance from your neighbor!
Why should you do that when it’s the liberals and the government telling you you should and everyone knows they’re liars?
I mean, that’s the mindset here. We all *know* that’s the mindset. So why are we surprised when we see things like this?
aphrael (7962af) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:18 pm> A prohibition against petitioning the state on state property is merely petty, and cannot stand.
Agreed. They should be graned the permit and then everyone who shows up not wearing a mask and not maintaining social distancing should be fined. Repeat offenders should be arrested.
*Not* for protesting. For violating the social distancing rules.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:19 pmThe state could, for example, bar access to any state facility without an approved mask, require persons without such to remain 20 feet from any doorway or walkway, and require social distancing rules therein.
Instead, the chose to limit their order to protestors, and to make no distinction about where those protesters were located with respect to other persons. Both those things weaken their position and targets the order at curtailing a first amendment right.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:19 pm>How hard it is to wear a damn mask and keep a healthy distance from your neighbor!
Why can’t those hippy protesters get a haircut and bathe!? Don’t they know their lack of hygiene threatens to spread disease!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:21 pmAnd stay off our lawn!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:22 pmI remember back in 1968 or so, when the Black Panthers protested at the state Capitol openly carrying shotguns, which was entirely legal (until it wasn’t a few days later). How far we have come.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:25 pmBecause it’s the law. If they insist on putting others in danger by violating it, throw the book at them.
WTF Kevin, is it only a “theory” that this disease is highly contagious and has killed almost 50,000 Americans?
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:26 pmNot that different from what China is doing in Hong Kong. How easily we give up our rights.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:28 pmDoes the state government issue permits for every protest in the state? I don’t think so. It’s local government who do that.
I strongly suspect that the state government only issues permits for state property.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:30 pmKind of like protesting without social distancing and masks was legal, until it wasn’t.
Or protesting a president in front of the president was legal, until you needed “free speech zones”.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:32 pmThe death cultists are basically making the same immoral argument as pro-choicers do about abortion: “my life is the only one that matters, so I demand freedom do whatever I want even if it causes the death of innocents.”
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:39 pm> Kind of like protesting without social distancing and masks was legal, until it wasn’t.
In California, right now, doing *anything* without social distancing and masks is illegal.
In the bay area, this is a rule imposed by the county health departments under a legal authorization which has been present in the state code since statehood, and which has been used dozens of times over the years for various different public health crises.
The protestors aren’t being singled out.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:45 pmI know here in Damnearalabama, Georgia, we shut down all of our subway trains, sports stadiums, opera houses, zoos, museums, symphony orchestras, the ballet and the casinos and the International Raw Bat Eating Festival on Day One and so far nobody’s even noticed a thing. Not the first protest.
There is the problem of my niece who works as a nurse at the hospital and is scrambling for hours because the hospital’s operating at about 20% capacity and there’s not enough work to go around, though. If the rate of the spread of coronavirus slows any further, she’ll be slowed right out of a job. But even though we’re just simple country folk, our governor has come up with this idea he calls “flattening the curve” whereby he’s going to start re-opening the economy bit-by-bit while regulating the speed of the opening based on what the hospitals can handle in increased coronavirus cases. It’s this idea that there’s some base load of infections we can handle as a society and that simply huddling in our closets until a cure for coronavirus is invented or the heat death of the Universe, whichever comes first, is maybe not the best response to this pandemic. At least not for us, who knows how they handle things in New York City or California?
Jerryskids (702a61) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:47 pm26… same situation for nursing in Sacramento… DIL is scrambling for hours. The no elective surgery policy is going to put some doctors and hospitals right out of business.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:51 pmI’m fond of counseling people to watch and see.
I think all the hair-on-fire BS here will see the states vindicated. Not in all particulars, but in the overarching authority to safeguard the health and safety of the public.
I’m surprised and disgusted we have to plow over this same ground every few days.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:53 pmJerryskids, it’s OK to get out of your closet.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:57 pmBecause it can’t happen there, like in Sioux Falls South Dakota, or Damneargeorgia in Chambers county Alabama, or Upson County Georgia, or the vacinity of Albany Georgia. Just because it’s not impacted your tiny area doesn’t mean it won’t, and doesn’t mean it can’t, and probably hasn’t happened because of the the stay at home order.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 1:59 pm26… the International Raw Bat Eating Festival
F^%# them damn bats!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:05 pm1.How hard it is to wear a damn mask and keep a healthy distance from your neighbor!
Make every day legally Halloween and the dummies will wear masks.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:05 pmNow why didn’t anybody think of this before (looking at you Deezy Eska)?
Trump adviser suggests reopening economy by putting ‘everybody in a space outfit’
(emphasis added)
Leave it the #FakeNews media to poo-poo another sure-fire solution this crisis.
All. The. Best. People.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:09 pmHow did you feel about Occupy protesters at the state buildings anyway?
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:16 pmI wonder when we’ll begin talking/reading about the inevitable bankruptcies of city, county and state governments?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:20 pmCol. Haiku,
These are not mutually exclusive concerns. Minimizing health risks increases the likelihood that people will be able to safely return – and remain at work, thus restarting the economy. Not working to minimize the health risk, will keep people at home and for a longer period of time, thus resulting in a slowed economy.
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:25 pmDave, you can pick up a NASA Z-2 suit for a mere $4.4M. I’d say he’d be satisfied with the Orion Crew Survival System, which has a unit cost of only about $250k, after the $12M development budget.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:28 pmThis is what the constitution and supreme court are for. They have done a lot worse to anti-war and civil rights protestors. The 50th anniversary of kent state shootings is may 4. You got a long way to go yet. Maybe you can be the new fred hampton or mark clark.
asset (5ccfe1) — 4/23/2020 @ 2:40 pmhttps://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/government-goes-too-far/
Exceeding their mandate. Keep it up and see how long the consent of the governed exists.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:03 pm36… I do not contend they are mutually exclusive, Dana, nor was the comment directed at you or your post.
The potential damage from actions taken are monumental and I wonder when this impact will be discussed ANYWHERE.
It’s like a never ending sucker punch…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:10 pm…and I wonder when this impact will be discussed ANYWHERE.
I wonder what-the-fluck you think all the threads discussing this were about?
It isn’t like this has never been addressed ad nauseam.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:18 pmThe constant claim from the Trump talking points blogs is that all economic damage is some kind of crazy deliberate conspiracy to get Trump.
Just like all those crimes relating to collusion.
It’s probably important to many of these guys that the economic damage be limited. After all we all need to eat. But it’s even more important that Trump be protected from the consequences of his awful leadership.
Of course the economy can’t be fixed until the pandemic is somehow fixed. Every Republican could beg us to go lick toilet seats but we won’t. Other than the Trump fans screaming at nurses at their dumb protests, I guess.
Trump needs to stop picking fights to manage the daily press. He and his fans promoting that malaria drug are a disgrace. The fights with ventilator manufacturers were a disgrace. The fights with governors are a disgrace. Knock it off and focus on the real task of fixing the pandemic. Then the economy.
It is easier for Trump to just pretend this is an overreaction and it’s him versus the real problem, democrats who want the economy ruined to hurt his re-election. And we can see who really cares and who really doesn’t care by how they frame this.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:25 pmLinks to news/opinion coverage, please…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:25 pmHe thought they were passive aggressive attacks on Trump.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:27 pmJust shows that people are afraid for their own, paid to stay at home, life that Constitution doesn’t matter anymore. Welcome, Communism. The government will decide for what to eat, how to exercise and what to do. So sad to see this site to go in such support of full government control.
Very Surprised (3f66e0) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:33 pmSo you don’t see any corresponding relationship between a safe re-entry that minimizes health risks and a chugging economy? Please explain how one does not impact the other
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:37 pmA scientist was explaining the UV radiation, bleach, and isopropyl alcohol to sanitize surfaces.
TRUMP THEN ASKS WHETHER PUTTING THE VERY POWERFUL UV LIGHT IN THE SKIN, OR INJECTING BLEACH OR ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL INTO THE BODY WOULD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This moron is going to get more people killed. Do not listen to Donald Trump for any factual information or facts to treat this disease.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:38 pm44… there’s no reason to presume the most uncharitable reading possible of someone having a different opinion than you, but you do you.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:48 pmYou’re kidding, right?
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:48 pmNope, about 6:20ish according to my TIVO, it’s outside my 30 minute pause. But I rewound about 15 times.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:53 pmYou have explained your views clearly.
Dana, he’s 2 comments off and was responding to me, not you.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:53 pmIf Obama said that it would have led to instant shouts from instapundit, hannity, most GOP politicians, for immediately 25th amendment action. If Biden recommended injecting bleach it would proof he is senile. With Trump the bar is much lower.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 3:55 pmTo be fair, he didn’t say you should do it. He just asked if it would work, and it could be very powerful. He didn’t specifically say do it, what do you have to lose. He just went 80% there.
He’s a very stable genius. Really, who knows about injecting bleach, alcohol, or blasting your body “through your skin” with UV radiation would be bad for you. It was a powerful question, a terrific question.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:01 pmIf it is legal to require a permit to assemble, then it is legal to refuse a permit to assemble. IDK if there’s been a supreme court case to decide the constitutionality of permits to assemble or not.
@43 I think you mean “totalitarian dictatorship”. Not every political system we dislike is Communism.
Nic (896fdf) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:05 pmHe wants the researchers to talk to the Medical Doctors to see if you can apply heat and light to curing the virus…“maybe you can maybe you can’t, I’m not a doctor, but I’m a person who has a good you know what.”
26 Minutes ago if TIVO
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:09 pmI’m the president and you’re fake news…the so called lamestream fake news media.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:11 pm53,
OMFG.
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:11 pmI wonder when we’ll begin talking/reading about the inevitable bankruptcies of city, county and state governments?
I’m guessing you don’t watch CNN or the others, because the answer is, they already are.
Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:15 pmFor some reason Akismet did not like me this afternoon and put three of my comments in moderation for no reason I could see. It seems to like me now. Could someone fish them out? Thanks.
Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:18 pmHe just said that he’s not happy with Brian Kemp, he doesn’t agree with him, but it’s up to governors. He could have stopped him, but he’s not happy with “Brian Kemp”.
So if he thinks it’s a bad idea, and it will kill people, and he has the power to stop it, and chooses not to.
That’s not a comment on whether he has the power, that’s his own words on what he thinks his powers are and what he chooses to do with what he believes his power is.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:21 pmStill…to reiterate
Injecting disinfectant is not going to cure you, it’s not a treatment, it doesn’t need research, IT WILL KILL YOU.
Sticking a UV light up your bum will not treat Covid
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:25 pmI’ll check, kishnevi.
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:29 pm53. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:09 pm
Well, fever does something about it, that’s heat; and ultraviolet light destroys bacteria and viruses, that’s light.
https://www.amazon.com/slp/uv-disinfection/4dreooumx5vd5f9
Now of course Trump would not have gotten this idea himself.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51914722
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:41 pmRemember “nuke the hurricane”?
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:42 pmI just released comments by Gryph, Dave, kishnevi, Col. Haiku and DCSCA. I’m not sure why they got filtered. I didn’t see anything in them that would have triggered moderation.
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:43 pmThere was a period of about an hour or so today (from around noon to 1:00 pacific time) when all my comments went into moderation and there were none appearing from anybody else.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:44 pmI’m sorry, the networks can not broadcast his press conferences any more. It’s dangerous.
Do not let your kids watch him speak, he is a menace.
Heck, actually following his advice is more likely to kill you than licking a needle you just found in a dark alley, much less the Coronavirus.
Where is Mike Pence and the 25th amendment, there is no doubt that he is incapable of carrying out the duties of the office of president. Today, it should never come down to the choice between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. President Biden in his basement, sure, why not. Pence vs Biden at a bare minimum.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:44 pmhttp://www.politicsusa.com:
Thu, Apr 23rd, 2020 by Jason Easley: Trump Wants To Inject People With Bleach To Kill Coronavirus
After a presentation on the effectiveness of bleach and rubbing alcohol on killing coronavirus, Trump asked if people could be injected with disinfectant. Trump said at the coronavirus briefing:
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going test it. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.
And I think you said you’re going test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs. It would be interesting to check you’re going have to use medical doctors with that, but it sounds interesting to me. And so we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s pretty powerful.”
OMG. OMG. OMG. OMG times 10 to the 23rd power.
DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:47 pmColonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:21 pm
That;s not he belives. He’s lying. He knows he doesn’t have the absolute power to stop Brian Kemp (although he could put pressure on him.)
He knows he doesn’t have the absolute power to stop Brian Kemp, but he wants his supporters to think that he does, except that in his wisdom, he decided not to, (because he respects the rights of governors to experiment maybe) so they will regard the presidency as an all important office, and make sure to vote and get others to vote for him in the general election in the fall.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:49 pmHis words do not reflect that.
If you need a super secret decoder ring to take the words he said, and claim that they mean the opposite, then that is something that you should never listen to. Words have meaning, Donald Trump’s words too.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:53 pmThis order is like Trump’s ban on travel from [some] Muslim countries. Because of the way it is done, it is targeted at protesters in particular, which the government almost ALWAYS hates.
To suggest they have to wear a mask and keep their distance, wehn they are protesting wearing masks and keeping their distance, is absurd. It’s like saying that the Selma Freedom marchers could take a bus to the the Edmund Pettus Bridge, but they had to sit in the back of the bus if they did. Because also was the law.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:00 pm@65. Might want to email Fox about that; let’s see what Prime Time Foxies says; Ingraham may be courting Proctor & Gamble’s Clorox as a sponsor; Tucka may want those Duracell flashlight battery ads… but Hannity will never see the light.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:05 pm70. He said you’re going have to use medical doctors with that, but it sounds interesting to
I don’t think any doctors will go along with that suggestion.
Now what maybe would work is a special form of dialysis, like it worked with ebola, except that the virus doesn’t really circulate through the bloodstream:
https://www.mdedge.com/chestphysician/article/88806/critical-care/dialysis-device-removed-ebola-patients-blood
You just have to set the dialysis machine to remove the virus.
They’ve probably forgotten that. Nobody oushed it through the medical devices regulatory system.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:06 pmI’m all in favor of states like Georgia opening up. I mean, states have frequently been called laboratories, it’s about time we started experimenting. Can’t wait for the results.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:07 pmTrump’s been under the sunlamp too long:
Dana, you’ve got to do a post about NOT INJECTING OR INGESTING BLEACH, DISINFECTANTS and NOT EXPOSING YOURSELF TO ULTRA-HIGHPOWERED UV LIGHT SOURCES.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:10 pm74. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 4:53 pm
What other meaning could use attach to them?
He said he had the power but wasn’t exercising it. Now he wouldn’t want people to think he was wrong to do that. And if you give me the full context, I can show you how he gave reasons.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:11 pmThe protesters need to start wearing masks and calling themselves Antifa. Then the D’s will let them protest, and even hit people with bike locks.
rcocean (1a839e) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:12 pmSo the government can’t stop someone from smoking crack while they protest that smoking crack is illegal?
It can’t arrest and deport illegal immigrants at an open borders rally?
What you’re suggesting (that laws don’t apply to people protesting them) is unhinged.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:13 pmhttps://news.yahoo.com/brit-hume-time-consider-possibility-033656171.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:14 pmThat was in response to Kevin, who I forgot to quote…
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:14 pmHis words have meaning, they are plain, you can watch the video.
Your patently ridiculous attempt to “tune” the meaning of any moronic thing he says to something other than their meaning, is just idiotic. He said the words, you know what they mean.
He’s a moron, he knows nothing, about anything, his brain does not work.
Any defense of it is pathetic and nearly as dangerous as him.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:16 pmThe whole point of the protests is that they are against social distancing, mask wearing, and being prevented from doing anything they please. However, they should sign a waiver stating they will forgo treatment at public expense if they should happen to become ill with COVID-19.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:17 pm81… LOL… it would serve them right!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:19 pm86… they should tell whoever was silly enough to ask for a signed waiver to stick that pen right up their bottom.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:20 pm70. I’m pretty sure it was something I said on a different thread that got me in trouble.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:21 pmAnti-lockdown protester wields vile ‘sacrifice the weak’ poster at ReOpen Tennessee rally
The article thinks the sign is legit, but it looks like a ProtestWarrior-style operation to me. If so, I heartily approve.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:22 pmI seem to recall some antivaxx folks using bleach as medicine. Maybe Trump has been doing some research. He does have a very big you know what.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:24 pmI think the sign is not legit. The woman holding it is wearing a scarf over her face, but all the other protesters seem to have no face coverings.
Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:27 pmTrump administration health spokesman tweets about Soros and Rothschild family ‘control’
This, along with the CNN story, would be laughable if Caputo wasn’t made the public face of the Department trying to respond to the pandemic (which Caputo clearly doesn’t believe in) but he fits right in the Trump Administration.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:28 pm@91. Fox News will tell you it brightens the mind while brain washing. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:29 pmI still have fond memories of crashing a protest in Laguna Beach with a homemade version of this.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:33 pmStudy: Elderly Trump voters dying of coronavirus could cost him in November
Mass casualties from the coronavirus could upend the political landscape in battleground states and shift contests away from President Donald Trump, according to a new analysis.
They don’t call Florida ‘God’s Waiting Room” for nothing.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:34 pmThere was a group of “churches” in Florida, IIRC, were busted by the FDA for this exact quackery last week, banned because they were claiming that their “drink the bleach cure” was dangerous idiocy.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:35 pmNew data on Gilead’s remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients. Company still sees reason for hope
The antiviral medicine remdesivir from Gilead Sciences failed to speed the improvement of patients with Covid-19 or prevent them from dying, according to results from a long-awaited clinical trial conducted in China. Gilead, however, said the data suggest a “potential benefit.”
A summary of the study results was inadvertently posted to the website of the World Health Organization and seen by STAT on Thursday, but then removed.
“A draft manuscript was provided by the authors to WHO and inadvertently posted on the website and taken down as soon as the mistake was noticed. The manuscript is now undergoing peer review and we are waiting for a final version before WHO comments on it,” said WHO spokesperson Daniela Bagozzi.
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Gilead spokesperson Amy Flood said the company believes “the post included inappropriate characterization of the study.” Because the study was stopped early because it had too few patients, she said, it cannot “enable statistically meaningful conclusions.” However, she said, “trends in the data suggest a potential benefit for remdesivir, particularly among patients treated early in disease.”
The data (for details, see screenshot below) will be closely scrutinized but are also likely imperfect. The study was terminated prematurely, which could have affected the results. The context that would be provided by a full manuscript is missing, and the data have not been reviewed as normally occurs before publication.
Many studies are being run to test remdesivir, and this one will not be the final word. Results are expected soon from a Gilead-run study in severe Covid-19 patients, although that study may be difficult to interpret because the drug is not compared to patients receiving only standard treatment. Encouraging data from patients in that study at the University of Chicago were described by researchers at a virtual town hall and obtained by STAT last week. However, unlike those data, these new results are from a randomized controlled trial, the medical gold standard.
Gilead is also running a study with a control group in more moderate Covid-19 patients, and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is running a study that compares remdesivir to placebo. There are even more studies of the drug ongoing.
According to the summary of the China study, remdesivir was “not associated with a difference in time to clinical improvement” compared to a standard of care control. After one month, it appeared 13.9% of the remdesivir patients had died compared to 12.8% of patients in the control arm. The difference was not statistically significant.
“In this study of hospitalized adult patients with severe COVID-19 that was terminated prematurely, remdesivir was not associated with clinical or virological benefits,” the summary states. The study was terminated prematurely because it was difficult to enroll patients in China, where the number of Covid-19 cases was decreasing.
An outside researcher said that the results mean that any benefit from remdesivir is likely to be small.
“If there is no benefit to remdesivir in a study this size, this suggests that the overall benefit of remdesivir in this population with advanced infection is likely to be small in the larger Gilead trial,” said Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:39 pm>>>>>>>>
To suggest they have to wear a mask and keep their distance, wehn (sic) they are protesting wearing masks and keeping their distance, is absurd.
No. What you said is inane. IF you want to be a civil disobedient, you INSIST on being exposed to the FULL brunt of the law.
And, in this case, you don’t expose others to disease.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:40 pmIf you love Trump, take two cups of bleach a day to keep the Covid away.
Trump 2020, let the morons lead the way.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:41 pmYou also have to wear pants, and underpants, both, neither is not an option.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:43 pmI guess commando is an option, but don’t do that.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:44 pmLayoffs wreck the states that lifted Trump to the White House
Battleground states that handed Donald Trump the presidency four years ago are seeing higher-than-average layoffs amid an economic downturn wreaking havoc across the country — a dynamic that could hold major implications for November’s election.
Job losses are piling up in places like Michigan, where more than one in four workers applied for unemployment benefits in the past five weeks, according to a POLITICO analysis of Labor Department data. In Pennsylvania, another key Rust Belt state that voted for Trump in 2016, nearly one-fourth of the workforce has filed an unemployment claim since mid-March. Ohio is seeing more than 17 percent of workers filing jobless claims, outpacing the national average of 16.1 percent, as is Minnesota, a state Trump narrowly lost.
One of the only major battlegrounds seeing a lower claims rate than the national average is Wisconsin, according to the analysis, which compared claims filed to the number of employees on states’ non-farm payrolls in February. But with more than one in eight workers filing for benefits there, it’s still a dramatic rise for a state that for years boasted an unemployment rate of 3.5 percent or lower, trending below the national average.
The numbers are likely to continue rising for weeks, as states work through a backlog of applications and race to dole out benefits to gig workers and others who are newly eligible for aid. They’ll remain elevated as long as restaurants, retail stores and other non-essential businesses remain shuttered. And even once some areas of the country begin to reopen, it could be months or years before Americans are back to work at the same levels as before — undercutting Trump’s plans to hang his re-election bid on leading the economy to a robust recovery.
Instead, Democrats across the country are already working to make the remainder of the 2020 campaign a referendum in part on the economic fallout from the coronavirus, and whether more could have been done to avoid shutdowns that threw more than 26 million Americans out of work in just over a month.
“The economy is in a freefall now. And I don’t think it had to be this bad,” said Lavora Barnes, chair of the Michigan Democratic Party.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:45 pm…….
In Florida, the country’s largest battleground state, laid-off workers have consistently encountered issues over the past few weeks trying to file applications for unemployment, struggling to access aid in a state where it was already difficult to do so. A POLITICO analysis shows about 13 percent of workers there have filed for unemployment benefits in the past five weeks, less than the national average. But as of last week, only about 6 percent of applicants had received benefits payments through the broken system, ranking it among the worst in the country for fulfilling claims.
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Florida is handling this rather well. NY and NJ not so much. I wonder what that says.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:45 pmSlacks are good, too… But not too slack.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:46 pmProtect those who need it, open up for biz and let those who want to hide at home do so…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:48 pmDrudge headline right now:
TRUMP: INJECT DISINFECTANTS INTO BODY
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:48 pm104… the beauty of mass transit. I’d believe NY was serious about dealing with this if they’d closed the subway.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:50 pmSo, because one group of protesters did not comply with the Governor’s orders, the police now assume that all other protest groups will do the same, and are therefore refusing permits. I guess that’s to be expected in the Pyrite State; after all, that’s the same logic behind gun control.
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:50 pmI double dare you, dave!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:51 pmChloroquine? Chlorox?
They’re basically the same, right?
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:53 pmCalifornia has become second rate
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:55 pmThe lib’ruls have sealed its fate
The Guv had gone mad
Lady Lib is so sad
That it’s turned into a police state.
Florida coronavirus deaths surpass 1,000 as cases reach 29,648.
Less bad is still bad, also, almost all places are lucky for not have the population density of NYC Metro.
Also, 87.5% of the people filing for unemployment in the last month in Florida, have not yet been issued a payment.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:55 pmHow is it different from any other government control? Are we finding exceptions to when government can have full control? How is it different from any other regulations? Is “live free or die” just a saying for a meme? If you believe in a free economy, should not it be people not patronizing the business and speaking with their wallets do the reopening talk? Stay at home, don’t spend your money, don’t open your business, don’t go anywhere. If you choose so.
Very Surprised (3f66e0) — 4/23/2020 @ 5:56 pmOMG, Kamala Harris uses Dijon mustard in her tuna-melts.
ELITIST!
Trump campaign ad incoming!
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:01 pmAgain. Never listen to Donald Trump’s advice, ever.
Do NOT inject disinfectant, do NOT stick a light bulb up your bum. Unless, well, it’s your thing, but no, don’t do it.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:04 pmIt’s not hiding in cowardice to protect your country at personal expense. The same ignorance that led some to promote that malaria drug is at play here. It is basically religious worship of Trump to think there’s not much risk anymore, that this virus is even well understood yet.
Trump had three years to prepare for this crisis. He has said Obama failed to prepare but that was over three years ago. Instead he used ‘inject bleach into your spirit crystals hurr durr’ level presidential leadership and filled the ranks with idiots or empty chairs. That nutcase running the Navy was just an example.
Sacrificing the lives of our countrymen will probably not make the economy better because (some) fear is organic.
Fanatical partisans have not made America great again. What a damn surprise.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:08 pm118. Fear is always a bad basis for policy, organic, or no. What I’m hearing many people say is that cowardice should be celebrated as a virtue. I disagree, but here we are.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:09 pmAlso, 87.5% of the people filing for unemployment in the last month in Florida, have not yet been issued a payment.
Me being one of them. DeSantis signed an EO that lifts the requirement you contact five potential employers every week, but the system still flags the claim if you don’t list those five contacts every week. Meaning someone has to override the system every week for every individual claim.
Thing is, while DeSantis didn’t issue a lockdown order until Trump told him it was okay, the job loss started to build up starting in February because of the loss of tourism, cruises, and airlines. So this mass of claims was foreseeable, in part, and the system was already being overwhelmed by the end of March. But DeSantis did nothing until the problem was inescapable. He obviously is re-active, not pro-active.
Case count and fatality levels serm to have hit the plateau. My county may be on the downside of the peak now.
Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:11 pmFlorida is handling this rather well.
Uhh, no. Did you see this part?
In Florida, the country’s largest battleground state, laid-off workers have consistently encountered issues over the past few weeks trying to file applications for unemployment, struggling to access aid in a state where it was already difficult to do so. A POLITICO analysis shows about 13 percent of workers there have filed for unemployment benefits in the past five weeks, less than the national average. But as of last week, only about 6 percent of applicants had received benefits payments through the broken system, ranking it among the worst in the country for fulfilling claims.
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That payout level now sits at less than 16 percent, according to statewide data. Political ramifications have been swift: Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican and close Trump ally, is one of the few big-state governors who has seen his approval ratings drop over his handling of the pandemic.
“It’s the most consistently negative aspect of this whole situation in Florida, the unemployment benefits system not working,” said Susan MacManus, a political analyst in the state and former chair of the Florida Elections Commission. “If you’re a single parent, if you’re a head of a household, you’re not going to forget this.”
DeSantis has said he was “disappointed” in his state’s initial response and sidelined the official in charge of overseeing the unemployment assistance program.
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Earlier articles have been posted about how Florida’s unemployment system was designed to fail by Rick Scott to be deliberately difficult so that unemployment taxes would remain low for businesses.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:11 pmFear is always a bad basis for policy, organic, or no.
Yes, which is why you should be skeptical of people yelling about economic suicide.
Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:14 pm98. I could have told you so a month ago.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:21 pmRight.
Protecting the health and safety of yourself and others is not cowardice.
Putting others’ lives at risk for the sake of your own convenience is.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:29 pm116.
You’d get more Vitamin D (helps fight infections through its effect on absorption of calcium( and less folic acid. (resultng in fewer antibodies)
But there’s the Hemopurifier, which sounds like something out of Star Trek. Can be set to almost eliminate any virus circulating in the blood, and if an immune system ca handle what’s left, will cure. Maybe 3 days to adjust it to deal with a previously unknown virus. Caveat: This is for when there are only a few people infected.
and I think you said you were going to test that, too, sounds interesting.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:32 pmStupidity as bravery. Prudence as cowardice.
It’s good to know where people stand, then it can inform your opinion of other things they say.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:37 pmGiving any of this idiocy any validity is just stupid.
I shall reiterate.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:40 pm119. Kishnevi (1bb3ae) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:11 pm
Would this work?
Probably it needs to be something longer, with several fields, but you could put something in there that clearly wasn’t any false statement.
Thing is, while DeSantis didn’t issue a lockdown order until Trump told him it was okay, the job loss started to build up starting in February because of the loss of tourism, cruises, and airlines. So this mass of claims was foreseeable, in part, and the system was already being overwhelmed by the end of March. But DeSantis did nothing until the problem was inescapable. He obviously is re-active, not pro-active.
Case count and fatality levels serm to have hit the plateau. My county may be on the downside of the peak now.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:40 pmSorry for overquoting.
I saw an article in the Atlantic today where it said that a drug dealer recommended taking Clorox to rid the system of Oxycontin. The drug addict died.
But I think a drug addict is more likely to listen to a drug dealer than a person in a hospital or otherwise diagnosed, who hears President Trump saying, likw in the television commercials, something like: Ask your doctor about prescribing Clorox for the coronavirus.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:48 pmSo after watching the clip with Dr. Trump blowing people’s minds with his ideas about injecting disinefectant to kill coronavirus, I have to ask what does it say when the head of Department of Homeland Security’s science and technology division, Dr. Birx and any other medical professionals at the didn’t immediately get up and lay Trump’s ideas to waste?
Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:50 pmTime for the Nervous Nellies out there to put their BIG BOY pants on…
There’s a high probability that what we are currently living through may result in something much worse than an economic depression.
In America, the state-sponsored businesses will survive. Small biz and entrepreneurial biz will be destroyed. The government workforce will not shrink (yeah, hold your breath) but the private sector will contract bigly.
Oil/energy biz will undergo a severe contraction.
The global food supply will have been severely depleted, at a minimum.
This will lead to a massive reduction in living standards. Millions around the globe will starve.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:52 pmKeep NY and NJ under lockdown for as long as they want to be locked up.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:54 pmYeah, and every reporter in the room, but one, just glossed over it to their prepared questions.
I’d have thrown that out, and been screaming at the top of my lungs “NO, IT’S CALLED POISON, YOU’LL DIE”. But I’ve been doing that at the TeeVee since it happened, and now, this very second.
I can’t believe it, I still can’t believe it happened, I rewound, rewatched, made my wife watch it, can’t believe it.
I’m saying this is a bad thing. It’s the most frightening day of the Trump presidency so far…and it’s not actually the virus, Trump may kill us all to “win” the battle against the “Invincible Enemy”.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:55 pmIt’s a bad time to be unemployed.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:57 pmSherman, set the Wayback Machine to March 16, 2020!
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:04 pmI read this today:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/05/nikki-king-opioid-treatment-program/609085
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:05 pmSo Trump is as smart as a drug addict that’s so dumb they think Clorox drinks may treat something.
That’s a nice and confidence inspiring thought.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:11 pm134… I suspect no one – outside of academia, Bernie Bros, the RCP – ever
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:15 pmhopeder, thought it possible that a shutdown would go beyond 15 to 30 days, let alone be open-ended.129. Dana (0feb77) — 4/23/2020 @ 6:50 pm
Maybe something they said (which he misunderstood) gave him the idea.
But anyway why use Clorox as a disinfectant when you can use water and electricity?
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/bar-ilan-develops-tech-to-turn-tap-water-into-coronavirus-disinfectant-625675
But still they’re only proposing topical use.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:17 pmDrudge has now helpfully included a photo of a jug of Chlorox with his headline…
Exit question: Who will be the first FoxNews on-air personality to suggest Trump’s idea should be taken seriously?
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:17 pmUh yes. I’m talking about managing a viral outbreak, not supporting socialism. Thanks for playing.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:25 pmIt’s called hydrogen peroxide, Sammy, and their electrode method is a middle school science fair project. The current industrial process is much more efficient and produces a much more concentrated solution which can be diluted down for safe use. These people!
nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:27 pm136. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:11 pm
No, he;s smarter than a drug addict, because he said:
He asked a question.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:33 pmTrump is a complete and utter moron, Sammy.
nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:37 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_such_thing_as_a_stupid_question
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:37 pmIf his grandfather had not dodged the WWI draft, he might have told him what number chlorine does on the lungs.
nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:39 pm@140-
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:39 pmThanks for reposting!
141. I see. This is something simple, all dressed up.
But then why do people use Clorox rather than hydrogen peroxide or what you coulld get fro hydrogen peroxide? (it’s not stable?)
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:42 pmThat was a stupid question, there are stupid questions, some questions are idiotic, asked by morons. This is one of those. That phrase is for children.
Also, you can watch Dr. Birx reaction in real-time…because it was a moronic, stupid, idiotic, dumb, ridiculous, dangerous, question.
Also, you left out this part.
There are stupid questions
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:43 pmHis grandfather also died of the Spanish Flu outbreak of…1917 according to Trump, but 1918-1929 to everyone else.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:47 pmOK I’ll grant this is progress. I mean he used to just stick his hands in lady’s pants without asking and now he’s up to asking people if they want to mainline bleach.
But this isn’t a joke. There are some idiots who already give their kids bleach to cleanse them of viruses. These folks will ask themselves why the deep state is so sensitive that Trump just asked a question. The bully pulpit is powerful especially in stupid hands.
The fanatics are already amped up about this revolution to liberate Virginia to prevent millions from starvation. They are afraid and they don’t understand the world on a good day. We’ll hear of someone using bleach on their kids because of this (and probably hear a theory it was just another deep state conspiracy).
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:50 pmClorox is bleach, Sodium Hypochlorite. Hydrogen Peroxide is…Hydrogen Peroxide. They are unrelated things.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:53 pm1918-20 not 29, the key next to that key.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:55 pmnk (1d9030) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:39 pm
Frederick Trump (born Friedrich Trump) was 48 years old in 1917 (born March 14, 1869) and not subject to the World War I draft in the United States.
He died in the “Spanish flu” epidemic on May 30, 1918, aged 49. He was one of the first cases in the United States/
He was banished from Germany in 1905, where he wanted to re-settle, on the grounds that he had evaded the draft by emigrating to the United States at the age of 16.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 7:57 pmhttps://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-unemployment-benefits-in-ny-is-still-a-kafkaesque-mess
Here you go Rip. So much for your hero Andrew Cuomo.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:09 pmhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/is-the-coronavirus-saving-lives.php
Food for thought if you’re being honest.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:19 pmThe fanatics are already amped up about this revolution to liberate Virginia to prevent millions from starvation. They are afraid and they don’t understand the world on a good day. We’ll hear of someone using bleach on their kids because of this (and probably hear a theory it was just another deep state conspiracy).
Shorter Dustin: Damned Deplorables!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:26 pmYeah, absolutely. Especially 3 years in.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:30 pmThat must be how you win friends and are such an influencer, klink. That and the screaming at the top of your lungs episodes you described earlier.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:37 pmYeah, sometimes being outraged about the outraging is appropriate. Donald Trump is a moron, if you cannot recognize that, well willful ignorance is still ignorance.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:42 pmoutrageous
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:42 pmBless your wife’s heart… I mean it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2020 @ 8:44 pm🥱
Look what they did to our great country! Do you not see how much of this could have been mitigated by leadership? Preparation, decision making, not stacking the admin with yes-men and idiots, accepting bad news earlier instead of making all decisions about the next day’s DOW.
Trump’s performance in crisis has been tested a few times. In each, absolute disaster. This just happens to be a greater crisis. Around the world, some leaders will be remembered for compassion, leadership, and patience. Not here. Instead, every day there’s another crazy fight to send the fanatics after.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/23/2020 @ 9:07 pmBut there are a lot of inquisitive idiots…
Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2020 @ 10:32 pm156. https://www.wsj.com/articles/mortality-rates-tell-true-tale-of-coronaviruss-effect-11587558540
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/23/2020 @ 11:21 pmThere’s a high probability that what we are currently living through may result in something much worse than an economic depression.
Explain, since we have always had depressions, some bad…others not at all terrible.
In America, the state-sponsored businesses will survive. Small biz and entrepreneurial biz will be destroyed. The government workforce will not shrink (yeah, hold your breath) but the private sector will contract bigly.
Why would that be true? Explain why.
Oil/energy biz will undergo a severe contraction.
Been there; done that.
The global food supply will have been severely depleted, at a minimum.
Again, explain the mechanism for that. At a minimum.
This will lead to a massive reduction in living standards. Millions around the globe will starve.
OK, Mr. Malthus, what’s your confidence in your predictions?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/24/2020 @ 5:51 amGreetings from Atlanta Georgia, current home of Governor Brian Kemp, the latest Trump toady to get the boot in the face from the ungrateful leader. You may think that Kemp got it for being an idiot risking the lives of his electorate, but I doubt that. Trump values his useful idiots bleating the slogans of liberty and, anyway, Trump and Pence backed the move in private. This public humiliation is because Kemp would not back Trump’s favored toady for Georgia Senator a few months ago.
That doesn’t makes Kemp’s action at all defensible. I am going to excerpt from a friend’s Facebook page, whose wife owns a hair salon, to explain the situation we have here:
Georgia is in the bottom tenth of states in the number of people tested. Kemp is forcing his state to take a flying leap into the unknown. Oddly enough, it may be the marketplace that saves him, by people refusing to rush right out there.
Appalled (1a17de) — 4/24/2020 @ 7:01 amTo All: if you’re going to
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2020 @ 8:05 amwastespend most of your day commenting, do it outside in the sunshine. It’s good for your health and kills the virus.It is a freaking gorgeous day. Alpine blue sky here in central Texas.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 8:15 amBreaking-
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems
[4-24-2020] FDA Drug Safety Communication
What safety concern is FDA announcing?
The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with azithromycin and other QT prolonging medicines. We are also aware of increased use of these medicines through outpatient prescriptions. Therefore, we would like to remind health care professionals and patients of the known risks associated with both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. We will continue to investigate risks associated with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for COVID-19 and communicate publicly when we have more information.
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19. They are being studied in clinical trials for COVID-19, and we authorized their temporary use during the COVID-19 pandemic for treatment of the virus in hospitalized patients when clinical trials are not available, or participation is not feasible,through an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). The medicines being used under the hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine EUA are supplied from the Strategic National Stockpile, the national repository of critical medical supplies to be used during public health emergencies. This safety communication reminds physicians and the public of risk information set out in the hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine healthcare provider fact sheets that were required by the EUA.
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine can cause abnormal heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation and a dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia. These risks may increase when these medicines are combined with other medicines known to prolong the QT interval, including the antibiotic azithromycin, which is also being used in some COVID-19 patients without FDA approval for this condition. Patients who also have other health issues such as heart and kidney disease are likely to be at increased risk of these heart problems when receiving these medicines. ……
What should health care professionals do?
We recommend initial evaluation and monitoring when using hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine under the EUA or in clinical trials that investigate these medicines for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19. Monitoring may include baseline ECG, electrolytes, renal function and hepatic tests. Be aware that hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine can:
cause QT prolongation
increase the risk of QT prolongation in patients with renal insufficiency or failure
increase insulin levels and insulin action causing increased risk of severe hypoglycemia
cause hemolysis in patients with Glucose-6-Phosphate Dehydrogenase (G6PD) deficiency
interact with other medicines that cause QT prolongation even after discontinuing the medicines due to their long half-lives of approximately 30-60 days
If a healthcare professional is considering use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to treat or prevent COVID-19, FDA recommends checking http://www.clinicaltrials.gov for a suitable clinical trial and consider enrolling the patient. Consider using resourcesExternal Link Disclaimer available to assess a patient’s risk of QT prolongation and mortality.
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What did FDA find?
We have reviewed case reports in the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System database, the published medical literature, and the American Association of Poison Control Centers National Poison Data System concerning serious heart-related adverse events and death in patients with COVID-19 receiving hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, either alone or combined with azithromycin or other QT prolonging medicines. These adverse events were reported from the hospital and outpatient settings for treating or preventing COVID-19, and included QT interval prolongation, ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation, and in some cases death. We are continuing to investigate these safety risks in patients with COVID-19 and will communicate publicly when more information is available.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 8:25 am>>>>>>>
I applaud Gov. Kemp. The individual states are the laboratories for the country, and I look forward to the results of his experiment. Too bad his citizens are the lab rats.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 8:30 amColonel Haiku wrote:
Here in Kentucky
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:00 amit’s cool and has been raining
so I’m stuck inside.
> to prevent millions from starvation.
next thing we know they’ll be objecting to closing plants to sanitize them after workers test positive.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:06 amForecast today is 90+ in sunny SoCal. Already 88 in Palm Springs.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:06 amDo what Trump says or everyone will starve!
It’s a clever way to deflect blame from Trump for the economy, which after three years of insisting every black man with a job owes something to Trump, is … amusing. There’s no way for Trump to lose with that kind of fanatical argument. If only thousands starve, Trump saved us. If the economy turns into a Thunderdome economy, well that’s Governor Cuomo’s fault. Be wary of analysis that makes it so the man in charge is always the victim of bad luck.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:15 amIt is unusually perfect weather in central Texas. Light breeze, nice temperature, blue skies, a few ducks at the lake for my daughter to laugh at. And with all the rain we had last week, flowers are in bloom and the grass is green. I’m not sure if the economic decline has also cleaned the air, but it feels like it.
Some of the energy industry probably shouldn’t come back. Telecommuting is to cars what cars were to horses. If Trump were a visionary leader he would probably invest in better internet infrastructure. Three trillion bucks would have gone a long way towards that end, added millions of jobs, and had profound economic benefits for generations.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:19 amHey, if you think that sunshine is the cure for COVID-19, here’s a way to do it. 🙂
The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:25 am‘taint natural, Prunetuckian…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:28 amNo thanks. I’m old fashioned and will get my vitamin D the natural way.
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:29 amIt is a freaking gorgeous day. Alpine blue sky here in central Texas
A word I’ve never associated with Texas: mountains
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:33 amTemperatures predicted into the 90’s here, so it’s looking like a perfect day to knock back a couple frosty mugs of bleach.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:42 amTexas has the Davis Mountains.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:44 amLysol maker warns against internal use of disinfectants after Trump comments
But it says right there on the label that it kills 99.9% of germs on contact!
Dave (1bb933) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:48 amHe can’t kill you one way, he’ll find another:
FDA warns about hydroxychloroquine dangers, cites serious effects, including death
Dave (1bb933) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:57 amI’ve spent many a night out there.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:01 amRipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 9:06 am
It;s been colder than usual the whole time in New York.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:01 amImagine the Lysol intern furiously fitting a new warning label on there. For generations people will ask why it warns you not to eat your lysol wipes or inject bleach into your blood.
And they made fun of Dan Quayle over a spelling error, made fun of Obama for a tan suit, made fun of Pelosi for chocolate ice cream.
25th amendment is the GOP’s only path to salvaging anything in November.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:05 amGonna kill lotsa people
Riding on MTA
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-new-york-city-subways-conductors/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:08 amThe Lysol or Chloroquine really is a more important issue. Trump is so used to simple solutions. If his casino needs a parking lot, just grab it. If he has a sexual impulse, just grab it. If he makes a complex deal that doesn’t work smoothly, just break the deal. Reporter asks him to talk to the American people who are scared? Freak out at him. It is no surprise that Trump’s ex wives describe brutal physical abuse. This is an impatient man who rushes to the easy way out of any conflict.
So instead of leading people and making hard decisions, Trump is googling miracle cures, hoping for an easy way out. This is why his reasoning on the economic problems is suspect. It’s hard to make a decision to lock things down, so he would just rather sacrifice some American life if he doesn’t have to take responsibility for the stock market.
The 25th amendment was put in place because the presidency is a tough job, and we need a way to shut down a president who cannot make rational decisions.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:13 amTexas has the Davis Mountains
Yeah, and Texas has London, Liverpool, Italy, Paris, Egypt, Dublin, Athens, and Edinburgh.
Close but no cigar…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:17 amI’m talking about managing a viral outbreak, not supporting socialism.
DeSantis has done as little as possible, usually only when forced to, in trying to deal with the virus. Often meaningless gestures like closing only beaches that were already closed by local officials. He seems to have issued the statewide lockdown order only after he got Trump’s permission (when he announced it, he made a point of saying that he had spoken to Trump about it first).
To the extent Florida is doing good, it’s because of local government action.
Kishnevi (8b0353) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:22 amClose but no cigar…
Texas has a LOT more, besides.
I’m STILL waiting for your explainer on your loopy predictions above.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:31 amHah, Trump just claimed he was being sarcastic to the press with his moronic injection of disinfectant.
It’s a shock, but there’s video, Donald Trump is lying about his moronic statements yesterday.
He thinks we’re as dumb and gullible as him. What an idiot.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:55 amCiting a ‘primary outcome’ of death, researchers cut chloroquine coronavirus study short over safety concerns
Citing a “primary outcome” of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart beats and nearly two dozen died after taking doses daily.
Scientists say the findings, published Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association, should prompt some degree of skepticism from the public toward enthusiastic claims and perhaps “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump as a potential “game changer” in the fight against the coronavirus.
Chloroquine gained widespread international attention following two small studies, including one with 36 Covid-19 patients published March 17 in France, found that most patients taking the drug cleared the coronavirus from their system a lot faster than the control group. The JAMA report said those trials didn’t meet the publishing society’s standards.
“These weak findings, bolstered by anecdotal reports and media attention, have fostered widespread belief in the efficacy of these agents,” according to a separate warning about prescribing the drugs issued Friday alongside the JAMA study.
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I guess a “primary outcome” of death would hamper full recovery.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 10:55 amSorta puts the kibosh on the whole “research” thrust thingy…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/24/2020 @ 11:07 amTerrible.
Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/24/2020 @ 11:15 amBut what do you have to lose?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/24/2020 @ 11:21 amState governments that are opening should not give them the option to remain closed.
Now thati is sarcasm.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 11:54 amBreaking-
Navy leaders recommend reinstating the Roosevelt captain fired over a virus warning
Capt. Brett E. Crozier should be restored to command of the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, the Navy’s top officials recommended on Friday.
But Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper, who was briefed on the recommendations, has asked for more time to consider whether he will sign off on the reinstatement of the captain of the nuclear-powered carrier.
Mr. Esper received the recommendation that Captain Crozier be reinstated from the chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Michael M. Gilday, and the acting Navy Secretary, James McPherson on Friday. Defense Department officials said earlier that they expected to announce the results of the Navy’s investigation into the matter on Friday afternoon.
Mr. Esper’s decision to hold up the investigation has surprised Navy officials, who believed that the defense secretary would leave the process in the hands of the military chain of command.
RipMurdock (e81e20) — 4/24/2020 @ 11:58 am