669 Crew Members Test Positive on Aircraft Carrier Formerly Commanded by Captain Crozier
Looks like there was a problem on Captain Crozier’s U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt after all:
UPDATE: The Navy says 669 USS Theodore Roosevelt crew members have now tested positive for Covid-19
— Dave Brown (@dave_brown24) April 18, 2020
Eight sailors are in the hospital. One is in the ICU "for increased observation due to shortness of breath"
— Dave Brown (@dave_brown24) April 18, 2020
That’s in addition to the sailor who has already died: Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker Jr.
Meanwhile, it turns out that the claim made by the now-resigned Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly, that Crozier had copied 20 to 30 people on his email, was (surprise!) complete bullshit. He did not send the email in the usual manner, for sure — but he sent it only to Navy personnel, ten all told, including most of his chain of command:
While the attachment circulated widely, Crozier’s email did not. The email shows that Modly mischaracterized the message, accusing Crozier of sending it to 20 or 30 people, as he cited it as justification for removing him from command.
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Crozier transmitted his email in a manner that some Navy officials found inappropriate, and nearly all considered unconventional.
He addressed it to Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, his immediate commanding officer; Adm. John Aquilino, the top commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet; and Vice Adm. DeWolfe Miller, the officer overseeing all naval air forces in the Pacific.
Crozier copied the message to seven Navy captains but left off Vice Adm. William Merz, who oversaw the Roosevelt as commander of the Navy’s 7th Fleet.
Here is a screenshot from the Washington Post‘s image of the address list:
Also, to those who say Capt. Crozier was sending a message to the enemy that the ship could not be used for battle, I would like to highlight this part of the email:
Oh, and remember how Trump blamed Captain Crozier for stopping in Vietnam?
I guess the captain stopped in Vietnam and people got off in Vietnam. Perhaps you don’t do that in the middle of a pandemic or – or something that looked like it was going to be – you know, history would say you don’t necessarily stop and let your sailors get off, number one.
You’ll be shocked to learn that a Navy captain doesn’t just visit a foreign country on a whim, but does so on orders. From the WaPo article:
The Roosevelt’s stop in Vietnam in early March marked the 25th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the country and the United States. It was also meant to serve as a symbolic show of U.S. strength and influence in the region, in the face of a rising China. Planning had been in the works for months.
But senior military officials had not anticipated that a virus would be spreading around the world. They monitored the threat but concluded that it was minimal. Vietnam had fewer than two dozen confirmed cases of the virus by the time the ship was approaching the waters outside Danang.
Adm. Philip S. Davidson, the U.S. military’s top officer in the Pacific, ordered the ship to continue as planned. [Adm. Michael] Gilday [chief of naval operations] described it as a “risk-informed decision.”
Captain Crozier was the target of a smear campaign. Trump lied about the Vietnam stop being his decision, and falsely suggested that Capt. Crozier had communicated that the ship was out of commission. Modly lied about how many people he had copied on the email. Now a man has died and nearly 700 more are at risk — and thousands more could have been at risk, too, but for Captain Crozier’s courageous actions.
This morning the chatter chatter people on TV were saying the Navy is still not sure if the infection actually came from the port call. They also mentioned that the initial cluster of shipboard cases appeared among the flight crews. Possibly one or more of the latter was infected elsewhere and became the vector of infection.
Kishnevi (083e7a) — 4/18/2020 @ 11:53 amDisgusting.
Leviticus (1efbc5) — 4/18/2020 @ 11:59 amIt is infuriating that the Secretary of the Navy lied about a Carrier Captain. Even these days, where everybody lies about everything, I really thought this Captain must have emailed outside his chain of command, hoping this email would leak, and found that very unprofessional.
I am tired of being let down. There’s nothing wrong with including your whole chain of command to resolve a dispute, and this was someone with significant responsibility.
The Captain should just run for office.
Trump has filled so much of our government, infested it, with people who just don’t get it. Whatever the purpose of their role it, they don’t value it, they haven’t done it, they don’t care about it.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:00 pmThis administration embodies the absolute worst aspects of the American psyche.
Leviticus (1efbc5) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:00 pmnever trumpers embody the absolute worst aspects of the American psyche.
mg (8cbc69) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:28 pmIt boggles me to think of the degree to which one’s affinity (or revulsion) for Trump determines one’s response to this pandemic.
Gryph (08c844) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:45 pmTen people, maybe 12 people (COMNAVAIRPAC and one possible other), is not 20 alright. But it is a lot, and someone did leak it to the media. In my mind, it’s the leak that is the problem, not the message or the captain’s clear frustration, possibly with the 7th Fleet commander and the need to stem a serious contagion on board.
Nor do I lament SECNAV’s resignation. I wish his ultimate boss had joined him. Daily.
The question is: who leaked this to the press, and did the captain intend, by his distribution list FOR it to be leaked, or to cover his own leak? Having people in a chain of command getting the press to influence decisions is not good for any military.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:57 pmnever trumpers embody the absolute worst aspects of the American psyche.
Accept the possibility that people who accepted his election have now found him wanting.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 12:58 pmIf he just sent it to Captains and Admirals and very senior Navy leadership, he may have not intended the leak. Sending it to 30 people would be ridiculous and basically leaking it to the world.
For all we know, a civilian in the SecNav’s office leaked it to expose how Crozier isn’t a team player, and the SecNav’s bizarre overreaction was some kind of dumb damage control effort.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:00 pmI also wonder what is under those redactions. Unlike the unredacted lines, these have semicolons after them, which is odd. Are these email addresses? Then why does Aquillino’s line have no email address? Are these additional recipients? That would add up to “20 to 30.”
And not all of these recipients would seem to be in his chain of command (e.g. other boat’s captains, and Mr Westendorf)
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:04 pmIt takes tremendous talent and hard work to be allowed to captain an aircraft carrier. To become president simply requires lying convincingly to 46% of the U.S. voting population. I’d trust Crozier over any actual member of the president’s staff and so so much more than the president himself.
Victor (4355e3) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:04 pmThat’s totally the message to take from this post. Well done.
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:06 pmFor all we know, a civilian in the SecNav’s office leaked it to expose how Crozier isn’t a team player, and the SecNav’s bizarre overreaction was some kind of dumb damage control effort.
Or a civilian or rating on one of those officer’s staff. But I’m not convinced of the count of “ten.” Redactions sometimes cause more questions than the release answers.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:06 pmIt takes tremendous talent and hard work to be allowed to captain an aircraft carrier.
Indeed. And lying doesn’t get you there. At all. The Navy has harsh standards for it’s command officers.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:08 pmIf this was indeed the only email/message sent. Somehow it made it to the press. Or, did it? I don’t know. To me the whole thing stinks.
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:10 pmTen people, period. COMNAVAIRPAC is Commander Naval Air Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet. That is Robert D. Westendorff. Each entry has the name (last, first) followed by the title followed by the redacted email address.
I would bet $10,000 that the redacted material is the actual email addresses themselves.
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:10 pmWe also don’t know if one of those officers forwarded it to another officer, such as the 7th Fleet commander, who may have taken umbrage at being worked around.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:11 pmPatterico: OK, I’ll accept it just weird line wrap on 1984-era teletype. Yet another reason why redactions don’t help.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:13 pmYou would prefer that they publish the email addresses of all of these naval officers?
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:16 pmKevin, the redactions are almost certainly the actual email addresses. The pattern is “name” “position” “redacted”; “name” “position” “redacted:
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:20 pmName and position are public information. Actual email addresses are not, and would be redacted as personal information.
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:22 pmBlind copies would not show on the printed email.
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:23 pmHere’s my comment from the thread Patterico posted after Capt. Crozier’s command was terminated:
“ If all of the people that Crozier cc’ed on his memo are within the military/national security structure and the cultural expectation (evidenced here) is that members of the military/national security structure ought to keep such discussions to themselves, then how can it be that Crozier should have anticipated that someone would leak the memo?
If “military/national security people don’t go the press” is a load-bearing premise of anyone’s argument here, why should it not be Crozier’s own expectation in sending the memo to military/national security people?
Hard argument to have without knowing who was on the list of recipients. But if someone else leaked this to the press, and not Crozier, then that’s the person that should draw ire.”
Leviticus (cdf0fe) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:24 pmThis is horrible news.
This is horrible too, in its own way:
Almost 700 crew members are infected, 8 sailors are in the hospital, and one crewmember has died, and that’s all you’ve got?
Dana (0feb77) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:25 pmSo, it looks like everyone cc’ed on his email was within the military structure. So what did Crozier do that was unreasonable, again? He clearly expected, like so many others here, that recipients of intra-military correspondence would keep the contents to themselves.
Leviticus (cdf0fe) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:26 pmLeviticus @25, that’s the $10,000 question. What did Crozier do that was serious enough to get relieved of command? That is a step that is not undertaken lightly.
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:32 pmLeviticus is right. These are people who have security clearances and are privy to all kinds of status information about that carrier. Perhaps the Captain even felt they are entitled to this information, but it’s obviously appropriate that they would know about the problem. Peer captains may face the same problem so letting them know actually could be life-saving.
From the initial account I thought the Captain was out of line, sharing this with 30 folks would be totally unnecessary. I hope something comes of this revelation.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:32 pmDana @24, When I was a Naval officer one of my sailors died. He got drunk and passed out on the beach, tide came in and he drowned. It was very tragic.
Colliente (05736f) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:36 pm“ Leviticus @25, that’s the $10,000 question. What did Crozier do that was serious enough to get relieved of command? That is a step that is not undertaken lightly.”
– Colliente
Oooooor you are completely begging the question and engaging in rank, gaslighting speculation for purposes of holding a tiny fig leaf over Donald Trump’s sensitive bits.
Leviticus (cdf0fe) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:37 pmSorry. That was uncalled for. I’m just frustrated with all of this.
Leviticus (cdf0fe) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:38 pmRemember the light at the end of the tunnel in vietnam war was an oncoming train from north vietnam. Have we won the war in afganistan yet?
asset (6a1d85) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:43 pmHe was accused of leaking (perhaps indirectly) operationally sensitive information about the status of his carrier by emailing 20-30 people, some outside his chain and with no need for the info. This seems to have been a lie, but that was IMO a serious enough issue to get him relieved.
We’ve seen the Chinese used this for propaganda purposes. No doubt now is the worst time to actually challenge our navy, but they are getting some mileage out of it. At this point, even that’s more the former SecNav’s fault for how much more fuel he kept pouring onto this controversy.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:48 pmHave we won the war in afganistan yet?
If you have to ask, you’re too short for this ride…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:53 pmThe Roosevelt’s stop in Vietnam in early March marked the 25th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the country and the United States.
So, ‘port-‘o’-call, Vietnam,’ was a PR stop.
Projecting power has limits; in this case, it resulted in revealing weakness.
Considering the cost per day to operate these multi-billion-dollar-dinosaurs, sending a nice note and a fruit basket would have been better– and cheaper.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:56 pmProjecting power has limits; in this case, it resulted in revealing weakness.
You know as much about the military as you do about economics. Nothing.
Now, WRT to revealing weakness you ARE an expert.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 1:59 pmI’d bet dollars to donuts that this got escalated to Modly and he was either personally responsible for the leak, or someone from his office.
He’s a Trump appointee, if there’s anything we know about Trumpster’s is they cannot possibly shut their mouths, just like daddy.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:01 pm@24. Well heck-they’re aboard a floating bug factory; bunked in tight, share everything from messes to laundry to heads; any bug will travel fast through that target rich environment.
Would be revealing to know how the subs are doing managing this in a sealed cylinder under the sea; but there’s little word about that– likely for security.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:03 pmI like how the Captain didn’t even choose to stop at Vietnam. Not that I was imagining he just sailed wherever he wanted. Trump looks bad if he gets his command back, so I doubt that happens. I’m usually wrong so hopefully I am good luck for him.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:04 pm@35. =yawn= Ignorance is bliss; stay happy– and watch out for blankets peppered w/smallpox tossed your way.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:06 pmNorth Korea’s military doesn’t have a single case. China’s navy is doing a fine job.
Reportedly.
That’s the thing about the US military… they pretend too, but they don’t really have to, and the whole world knows it.
It is amazing how an illness has taken one down. If China was researching bugs for mal intent, they definitely got something out of it.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:07 pm…watch out for blankets peppered w/smallpox tossed your way.
Adding yet another subject about which you know nothing. Do you understand anything?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:10 pmHe’d have a job today if he didn’t violate protocol. Not that difficult to understand. Instead, Patterico wants to put him on a pedestal with other “patriots” like Vindman and Romney. Of course, that would mean redefining the word.
Brendan (782967) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:13 pmHe’d have a job today if he didn’t violate protocol.
Put up a link citing to “protocol” EACH of the three you just defamed violated.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:15 pmI just can’t believe President Trump or one of his fine appointees would do such a thing!
This was all ginned up by
Dave (1bb933) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:18 pmthe mediathe Democratsthe Deep StateNevertrumperssomebody to smear President Trump!Patterico, thank you for following up. Trump and those that work for him really can’t ever be counted on to present accurate information to the public.
Time123 (d1bf33) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:30 pmDon’t lash out just because your cultural mascot is a garbage person that lied to you about this. It’s no ones fault but your own that you put faith in him.
Time123 (457a1d) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:31 pm@41. Clearly you don’t: ignorance is bliss; stay happy and wear your mask, Raggy.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:39 pm46… Don’t lash out just because your cultural mascot is a garbage person that lied to you about this. It’s no ones fault but your own that you put faith in him.
here’s an example of the animus that drives their thought process… the good news is that hitting the sack is usually cathartic and helps them cope: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-18-at-2.50.38-PM.png
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:44 pmDana is correct—the redactions are the emails. Here’s a cleaner version of the 10 addressees:
To:
Aquilino, John C ADM USN COMPACFLT PEARL HI (USA) [redacted];
Miller, DeWolfe H VADM COMNAVAIRPAC SAN CA (USA) [redacted];
Baker, Stewart P RDML USN, CCSG-9 [redacted]; [NOTE: Crozier’s direct boss]
cc:
Jaureguizar, Steven CAPT USN, CVW-11 CAG [redacted];
Keeler, Daniel Jacob (Dan) CAPT USN CVN 71 (USA) [redacted];
Langbehn, Michael CAPT USN CVN -11 DCAG [redacted];
Hearnes, Jeffery L CAPT USN COMDESRON 23 (USA) [redacted];
York, John D CAPT USN, USS Theodore Roosevelt [redacted];
Miguez, Marc Jeffrey CAPT USN COMPACFLT PEARL HI (USA) [redacted];
Westendorff, Robert D CAPT USN COMNAVAIRPAC (USA) [redacted]
Everyone on that list were appropriate addressees for the message. The only obvious omission might be the Seventh Fleet Commander VADM Merz (in the chain of command between RDML Baker and ADM Aquilino). VADM Miller, the other Admiral to whom the email was addressed, is the Commander of Naval Air Forces Pacific, i.e. in the administrative chain-of-command for all U.S. naval air assets in the Pacific theater. I believe COMNAVAIRPAC is also in the administrative chain-of-command for the USS Theodore Roosevelt, as it is based at NAS North Island, not at Naval Station San Diego (with the escort ships, which are in the administrative chain-of-command of Cruiser Destroyer Groups).
Another fact—almost half of the personnel aboard the TR are not actually members of the ship’s crew, but of the Air Wing embarked on the ship (CVW-11). CAPT Jaureguizar is Commander of CVW-11 (CAG) and thus commander of the Air Wing personnel. CAPT Langbehn is his Deputy (DCAG). As such, it was appropriate for CAPT Crozier them on the cc list.
The other Captains who were cc’ed on the message were the CAPT Crozier’s XO (CAPT Keeler); the TR’s senior medical officer (CAPT York); the lead of the escort ships in the Roosevelt’s Battle Group (CAPT Hearnes); a senior staff officer for ADM Aquilino (CAPT Miguez); and the Chief of Staff for COMNAVAIRPAC (CAPT Westendorf). All of these Captains had a need to know on this issue.
That’s a long way from the ’email blast to the world’ people here were accusing Crozier of.
In the original article breaking the story, the San Francisco Chronicle stated they received the letter from “a senior Navy officer on the Theodore Roosevelt” whose identity they had confirmed but were not releasing. So for what it’s worth that’s CAPT Crozier, Adm Baker (Crozier’s direct boss), CAPT Keeler, CAPT Jaureguizar, CAPT Langbehn, CAPT Hearnes, and CAPT York.
Purple Martin (34703c) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:47 pmTime123,
Just FYI you can expect him to passive aggressively insert himself into your debates with others for years and years. Licking wounds is apparently very very important to some.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:57 pm@50, from what he wrote I assumed he was comparing MG to the guy in the tweet.
Time123 (d54166) — 4/18/2020 @ 2:59 pmhahaha
I like mg and I don’t interpret him too literally. He’s more joking around.
Nevertrumpers appear to have been right all along. This Navy has had one horrible decision after another, its honor and respect not what they were 3 years ago. It will recover just like the Army did in the 1980s.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/18/2020 @ 3:04 pmIt will take years for all the US institutions that Duh Donald has gutted to recover. I hope that we have the time.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:04 pmYou would prefer that they publish the email addresses of all of these naval officers?
That’s what you got from me accepting your argument?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:30 pmTrump lied about the Vietnam stop being his decision
You are missing the word “stupidly” in this. I’m glad that I don’t listen to him much.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:32 pmIt will take years for all the US institutions that Duh Donald has gutted to recover. I hope that we have the time.
Some of them were pre-gutted by Obama and Trump was just the coup de grace. It will be interesting to see which way the military votes in November; it was Trump’s vote to lose.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:33 pmAnd as predictable as the sun rising Pattericco pops out to latch on to an anti Trump news story. He could pontificate on China lying to everyone, certain Democrat politicians using this to override the Bill of Rights, people being arrested for going to church, but no.
Pat, do you even know what a USR is? Unit Status Report? Disclosing your unit readiness outside of SIPR net and a SCIF is a no no. That is classified information he emailed on an unclass system to several people in his CoC. Do you have any idea of the inappropriateness of this? He might as well of wrote “relieve me of command”. You want to call this man courageous tho. He had a choice to fulfill his duty and suck it up, he sent that email to CYA himself. It is not like another commander didn’t step up and take on his duties, he basically got himself fired so he couldn’t be blamed for deaths under his command. So what the new commander comes in…..do people stop dying or getting sick of this flu? No they do not, now his chief of staff is responsible until a new commander is assigned. So the result of his actions is that someone with less rank and experience is now in charge and this commander gets to leave the sick ship and go home to full retirement.
meanwhile all the enlisted and lower ranking soldiers still have the same lot in life stuck on the boat. Yeah what a hero Pat, what a hero
Mike T (d52c7a) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:42 pmTrump lies about Drudge, Drudge smacks him down
Dave (1bb933) — 4/18/2020 @ 4:50 pmYou know the message was sent on an unclassified network … how, exactly?
Nobody who knows what they’re talking about accused Crozier of violating security procedures in the way you suggest. If he had, it would have figured prominently in the rationale offered for relieving him.
In fact, the article notes that once the outbreak was detected, Crozier proactively took steps to prevent breaches of operational security by shutting off crew access to cellphones and the internet.
tldr; Bullsh*t
Dave (1bb933) — 4/18/2020 @ 5:04 pmSo what the new commander comes in…..do people stop dying or getting sick of this flu? No they do not, now his chief of staff is responsible until a new commander is assigned.
Are you actually PRETENDING to know some damn thing about the military? Really?
The captain of a ship does NOT have a “chief of staff”. The second in command is the XO (executive officer) and is SELECTED for their ability to assume command in all respects should the need arise.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 5:17 pmNo. If you re-read my comment, you can see I was responding directly to this statement you made:
Recharacterizing my statement as a reply to the portion of your comment where you agreed with me, when my comment was very clearly a reaction to the quoted statement in which you complain about the redactions (which I have already explained are redactions of email addresses), is annoying and wastes my time. I would like to know just exactly what you meant by complaining that “redactions don’t help” if you weren’t making an argument against the redactions. Was your intent to convey the thought “I totally see the need for the redactions but they don’t help”? What would such a statement even mean?
Patterico (115b1f) — 4/18/2020 @ 5:26 pmSo the result of his actions is that someone with less rank and experience is now in charge and this commander gets to leave the sick ship and go home to full retirement.
meanwhile all the enlisted and lower ranking soldiers still have the same lot in life stuck on the boat. Yeah what a hero Pat, what a hero
More on your gobsmacking ignorance…
They are not “soldiers”. They are called “sailors”. They serve on a “ship”, not a “boat” (unless it’s a submarine).
And you can’t even flucking read…!!!
“94 percent of the crew has been tested. The Navy says 3,913 received negative results and 4,065 have moved ashore”. (That means “land”.)
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/18/2020 @ 5:29 pmMike T has not gotten the memo yet. It’s Modly who is the nun pro tunc sonavub!tch, the jury is still out on Crozier until Trump takes the pulse of the rank and file. It might be different if the Secretary of the Navy wore dress whites and looked better in them than Crozier, but Modly lost out on both counts in that regard.
nk (1d9030) — 4/18/2020 @ 7:06 pmThat is the opposite of reality, Mike. You don’t seem to care too much though.
Dustin (c56600) — 4/19/2020 @ 3:24 am“Trump lied about it” – I sincerely doubt that. Why would Trump lie about it, given he was not the one going after Crozier but instead said he would look into the matter, saying he’d only discussed it with the DoD Chief. IRC, Trump wondered if the punishment fit the crime, and said he would be looking at the situation, and before long the Navy Secretary resigned.
Personally, I’m willing to wait for ALL the facts to come out, before I start painting people as “liars” or as heroes or villains. Finally, we had 1,000 Sailors with the virus, yet how many were hospitalize? Very few, and only 1 or 2 died. That says something about the dangerousness of the virus to young people. It makes me think, we could have gone another way with the lockdown, and maybe locked down the old people, and let the Young continue to work.
rcocean (1a839e) — 4/19/2020 @ 5:10 pmAnd for the 4th, I’ll say its extremely odd that the Chief of Naval Operations, wasn’t the one taking the point on this one. Why he was by-passed by the Sec. Of Navy is very odd.
rcocean (1a839e) — 4/19/2020 @ 5:12 pm