Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Feel free to talk about anything you think is newsworthy or might interest readers.
I’ll start.
First news item
Drive-through testing cancelled because of neighbor complaints:
Then:
In partnership with Murphy Medical Associates, the Town of Darien is pleased to announce the establishment of a drive-through COVID-19 test site in the lower parking lot at Darien Town Hall, located at 2 Renshaw Road…You do not have to be a Darien resident.
“We think it is a really important service to provide to our local community,” First Selectman Jayme Stevenson said.
Now:
Darien’s drive-through testing has been canceled, according to a tweet from First Selectman Jayme Stevenson. The testing was to start Thursday. Some neighbors expressed complaints with the location of testing so close to their home on social media.
Second news item
Self-proclaimed smart guy pushes back against learned Dr. Fauci:
After Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a Friday briefing that there’s no evidence a decades-old anti-malarial drug would be effective against the novel coronavirus, President Trump again insisted he has a good feeling about it. “I feel good about it. Just a feeling. I am a smart guy, we’ll see soon enough and we have certainly big samples of people,” he claimed. Moments earlier, Fauci was adamant that there’s no evidence chloroquine—which has yet to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration—will work against the deadly virus. “The evidence you are talking about is anecdotal evidence,” he told reporters. “The information you are referring to is anecdotal, so you can’t make a definitive statement about it.”
Third news item
Nation-wide two week quarantine ahead?:
President Trump, moving with haste to slow the spread of the coronavirus, is preparing a plan to mobilize the National Guard to help enforce a two-week quarantine of the public if his tough-love efforts so far fail.
The unprecedented action would require everyone to “stay at home,” according to a source knowledgeable of the evolving plan.
The effort, which is still being mulled and wouldn’t be announced until early next week if needed, would urge that all businesses, except grocery stores and pharmacies, be closed.
It comes on the heels of other insider reports that the president is considering grounding all U.S. passenger flights to force a halt in people interacting and moving around the country.
Fourth news item
Test shortage compels L.A. County to move away from containing coronavirus outbreak:
Los Angeles County health officials advised doctors to give up on testing patients in the hope of containing the coronavirus outbreak, instructing them to test patients only if a positive result could change how they would be treated.
The guidance, sent by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health to doctors on Thursday, was prompted by a crush of patients and shortage of tests, and could make it difficult to ever know precisely how many people in L.A. County contracted the virus.
The department “is shifting from a strategy of case containment to slowing disease transmission and averting excess morbidity and mortality,” according to the letter. Doctors should test symptomatic patients only when “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”
Fifth news item
Joe Biden says he is “desperately” looking to be in regular contact with the American public, perhaps with regular press conferences in Wilmington, Del., or using technology. "They tell me there’s ways we can do teleconferencing via us all being in different locations,” he says.
— Matt Viser (@mviser) March 20, 2020
NOTE: Here are various links that will give you leads on how help others who are hurting during the outbreak:
How you can help – Washington Post
Regional help ideas (but would translate to other regions)
Helping small, local businesses.
Help for food service workers.
Helping your local businesses – Market Watch
Don’t forget to check your local food banks, shelters, churches with outreaches, as well as your city/town’s websites for leads on how to help locally. My neighborhood has a lot of elderly residents, so we’ve made concerted efforts to check in daily to see if they need anything. It’s a small thing, but it’s another way to help.
Also, given that most of us are spending a lot of time at home, please tell us what you’ve been reading and how you have been occupying yourselves during this surreal time. (I’m almost done with “American Dirt,” which I picked up specifically because of the brouhaha surrounding it. It’s a beautifully told, wholly terrifying (fictional) story about a woman and her little son attempting to flee to el norte after her family has been murdered by a cartel.) I’ve also been walking/hiking every day. Thankfully I live a few houses away from a massive, wooded park, as well as being a stone’s throw away from miles of trails in a nearby canyon. Anything but staying indoors and eating. Tell us what you’re up to.
Also, has anyone been tested yet or shown any symptoms? If so, please let us know so we can say prayers for you. Also let us know how easy or difficult it was for you to get tested, what the procedure was like, and what you experienced. We all need to learn as much as we can.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 7:51 amI wonder how much superglu Fauci needs to keep his eyeballs from rolling at these press conferences with the Orange Raccoon? Must be a lot…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:02 amFauci is a moron an should be fired.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:15 amGiven the waiting times and long lines of cars at those testing sites, I would suggest going easy with those people in Darien.
A drive through site was opened at the big county park not far from me (about two miles). The local news said they tested 400 people in one day. My city has 170,000+ residents. At that rate we can all be tested by the end of May 2021.
Kishnevi (e2dc4e) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:17 amWhile I get your point, kishnevi, for those of us in communities with no drive-through testing sites, my thought is, something is better tha nothing. That’s 400 people/day that are being tested that wouldn’t have that kind of access to be tested in my area.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:18 amYou’re right, Dana.
Meanwhile, since I have no work to go to at the moment, I’ve been dipping into this
https://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Complete-Various/dp/B07XDDHHBG/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Naxos+Complete+Beethoven&qid=1584803907&sr=8-2
They do mean complete: all the bits and bobs of Ludwig you never ever heard of before.
Kishnevi (e2dc4e) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:21 amAre you being sarcastic?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:26 amI’ve been reading a new edition of a Biology textbook, and Book 2/7 of the Penguin History of Europe series, The Inheritance of Rome.
Also playing the occasional video game and procrastinating about getting my online course for next quarter ready (theoretically next week is “spring break”).
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:27 amkishnevi,
When you listen to classical music, are you fully concentrating on nothing but the music, or are you also doing/working on something else at the same time?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:27 amDana, sometimes one, sometimes the other. Depends on mood and whether I’ve heard it before.
Kishnevi (e2dc4e) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:30 amFauci won’t go along with Trump’s “Click your heels three times and we’ll have a vaccine” nonsense.
Obviously he should be fired.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:31 amI’ve been re-reading the Aubrey-Maturin series by Patrick O’Brien. Due to the elapsed time plus age, I’ve forgotten enough to make them almost as enjoyable as the first reading.
But I’m already halfway through so maybe Hornblower next.
I normally read 20 non-fiction for every fiction but I wanted diversion.
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:35 am_
H. C. Bailey’s “Mr. Fortune” short mystery stories. Project Gutenberg has two collections, Call Mr. Fortune and Mr. Fortune’s Practice, that you can stream on your browser or download to your Kindle or EPUB app. (My Kindle for PC on Windows 10 works fine for me.)
nk (1d9030) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:37 amDave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:31 am
Not to speak for MAOA (which sounds like a large flightless bird from New Zealand), but I think he’s mad at Fauci for throwing shade on his favorite quack remedy.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:38 amI’ve been reading Sir Roger Scrunton’s How To Be A Conservative, but I find it a hard task as Scrunton has such a lousy grasp of economics. Next up is a book on stoicism.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:43 amEssential liberty vs temporary safety.
Decisions decisions.
NJRob (4d595c) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:52 amI’ve read a few of the Aubrey/Maturin, but the characters don’t really click with me. I read Hornblower years ago. IIRC it’s more formulaic, less psychological than O’Brien’s novels.
I have several piles of nonnfiction around me. It’s just a matter of sticking my hand out at random….
Kishnevi (e2dc4e) — 3/21/2020 @ 8:53 amI normally read 20 non-fiction for every fiction but I wanted diversion.
About 10:1 here. My chosen diversion was motivated solely because of a concerted effort to cancel a white writer of FICTION who wrote a FICTIONAL piece about immigration into the U.S. at our southern border. Because even works of FICTION cannot be written by people who are not the right people….
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:00 amSo just as I thought, the large testing complexes may end up at the dead malls or as Chris Rock would say, the mall where the wypipo used to shop
urbanleftbehind (65a3e5) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:03 amA little torn on that myself, Dana but please provide a review or recommend/not for that book on the literary merits alone. I would give the author even more credit if the so-called immigrant experience was even farther from her own yet managed to weave a good story.
As a high school senior applying for a prominent hispanic scholarship award, I may have been “cancelled”(denied, but didnt need after all) because I listed a Joseph Wambaugh book, Lines and Shadows, as a favorite book.
urbanleftbehind (65a3e5) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:11 amAlso been watching films, I went on an early Alec Guinness spree:
Great Expectations – 1946
Oliver Twist – 1948
The Card – 1951
Last Holiday – 1950
The Mudlark – 1950
The Promoter – 1952
The Detective – 1954
The Prisoner – 1956
Working my way towards other underrated gems such Our Man In Havana, The Quiller Memorandum, The Comedians, Cromwell as well as classics like Lawrence Of Arabia and Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy etc.
All highly recommended – here’s a clip of AG as Disraeli in The Mudlark, a speech that was reportedly shot in one six-minute take, and which according to Guinness was praised by John Wayne when they first met in Beverly Hills in the 50s.
https://youtu.be/FtnHpMJS2PQ
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:22 am_
Reading Hornblower was the only thing that kept me sane (to the extent I am sane) in high school. I still marvel at Forester’s knowledge of ships, the men who sailed them, and minutia of history, etc.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:23 amUnbelievable:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:29 amUh oh. It’s a selling frenzy of Bolton shares on the #NeverTrump Stock Exchange.
John Bolton declares China ‘responsible’ for coronavirus outbreak, says world must hold them ‘accountable’
Munroe (dd6b64) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:31 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/world/john-bolton-declares-china-responsible-for-coronavirus-outbreak-the-world-must-act-to-hold-them-accountable
“ I may have been “cancelled”(denied, but didnt need after all) because I listed a Joseph Wambaugh book, Lines and Shadows, as a favorite book.”
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I remember being treated like I had the plague after pointing out the true history of the story behind Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here after a history prof. showed us the film and basically laid it out as an accurate re-telling. It didn’t fit the PC, anti-white narrative at all.
They were doubly pissed that I told them of source material in the library (this was way before the interwebs) where they could confirm it.
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:33 am_
I’m re-reading the entire Dune series by Frank Herbert, starting from the very beginning.
Gryph (08c844) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:37 am“ Reading Hornblower was the only thing that kept me sane (to the extent I am sane) in high school.”
It’s been even longer since I read the Hornblower series. I’m really looking forward to it but I don’t have them all and I want to read them in succession.
Three standalone books about the sea that you might like and I feel are must-reads:
Youth – Joseph Conrad
The Cruel Sea – Nicholas Montsarrat – Also a great film
The Captain – Jan de Hartog – I found this on a bookshelf in the common room of a Caribbean B&B. I could not put it down.
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:44 am_
Uh oh. It’s a selling frenzy of Bolton shares on the #NeverTrump Stock Exchange.
I catch myself wondering why you post such stupid crap.
Then I remember; your are a troll for the T-rump cult. It’s all a total waste.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:47 amThey just started testing in my area and I know people who had symptoms but tested negative. There are a handful, so far, who are hospitalized and expected to test positive. More who have it but testing was non-existent here until last week. Our local doctors have quit seeing all patients except by phone or video conference. Everyone expects problems soon, especially with ventilators.
Speaking of ventilators, did anyone read this?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:48 am29. Lovely. Sounds like they’ve figured out a way to cut a 5% survival rate in half. SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 3/21/2020 @ 9:53 amGryph:
No. You’re wrong, and you should stop using that incorrect figure:
I don’t know why you insist on being so pessimistic you’re essentially lying. This doctor found a way to increase, not decrease, the magnitude of patients’ survival if demand for respirators outstrips supply.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:03 am*demand for
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:04 amrespiratorsventilatorsThere are poor outcomes from mechanical ventilation but it isn’t 95%:
DRJ (15874d) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:04 am7. Likely not.
If you can stand back from this a bit, you can observe how our media is conducting a form of ‘tryouts’ of various spokespeople in search of a singular ‘leadership’ voice as the one ‘go to’ counterweight to the Trump briefings which spew misinformation or outright lies. Fauci is getting a lot of face time on camera– but he is a little star struck w/t attention– experienced media people can spot this; he ‘likea the Leicas’- and comes across as a bit of a “Dr. Leonard McCoy” on television.
In the past several days, the unblinking eye has begun to focus on NY’s Gov. Cuomo as the calming voice of authority to broadcast. When they [meaning television executives] do settle on one ‘voice’– as that’s not coming from the WH Briefing Room nor the President– you’ll know it. Trump is just a bystander in this and the brieing room people increasingly static and background noise.
Local leaders are more on top of this than they are.
Trump [like LBJ would have done] really should be working the phones w/Congress to negotiate to get the necessary legislation through ASAP. He can’t do it–so he goes on TV or Twitter, instead.
As these ‘tryouts’ continue, you’ll find more doctors on television than on the golf courses.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:36 amI want to say that’s good old American know-how, DRJ, but how can I when it’s a French-Canadian? Maybe we can induce him to come to America?
nk (1d9030) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:44 amFauci said
no evidence a decades-old anti-malarial drug would be effective against the novel coronavirus,
That’s not at what he said. At this time no large long term studies have been conducted. Although what we are seeing in the last couple of months seems to indicate there may be some efficacy. Understand this MAY not be the silver bullet some are hoping for.
Iowan2 (bbb95d) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:46 amYes, that’s a fair interpretation and was also mine. However, my point about Fauci being a moron is that he’s not pushing this promising therapy and is poo-pooing it; this isn’t the time for conservative approaches to a very promising therapy for a drug which has had millions of users worldwide, including many in the United States, for decades.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/21/2020 @ 10:48 amMy start page today told me that using more copper could prevent a lot of illness. Not that it’s a remedy right now, but some places have begun to use it more for commonly touched surfaces.
Radegunda (39c35f) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:00 am@38. A penny for your thoughts–
If your Lincoln Memorial penny has a date before 1982, it is made of 95% copper. If the date is 1983 or later, it is made of 97.5% zinc and plated with a thin copper coating.
Reaganomics.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:03 amIt was American know how, nk. The Canadian doctor is using a technique devised by a Las Vegas ER doc after the mass shooting there. He had been trained by other doctors who were studying it. YouTube video explains here.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:05 amHere is what Dr. Fauci said:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:08 amVideo of Dr. Fauci speaking can be found here.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:11 amTrump has been doing a WH Briefing Room presser now for nearly an hour. Fauci is with him. Pence, too.
On a Saturday.
Not the best use of time by top officials in a crisis. Listen to your local municipal, county and state officials.
They know better.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:15 amFor non-fiction, I’m helping my father with a family history project, so I’m reading a lot of scanned documentation in hand written 19th century French. It’s a bit slow-going.
For fiction I’m rereading my LE Modessit jr. Sci-fi collection.
Nic (896fdf) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:24 amThe poor New Jersey family that has been hit so hard by Coronavirus is Italian-American. Probably a wild coincidence but could there be a genetic issue peculiar to Italians that makes this worse?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:27 am45. Somehow I doubt it, though I can’t really say for sure. Every viral outbreak that I’m aware of has been rather starkly indiscriminate in its infection curve.
Gryph (08c844) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:31 amBeing male may be a risk factor, along with being older:
The report considers that men smoke more, women have stronger immune systems, but researchers think more attention should be paid to this.
The numbers:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:35 amNYC and the tristate are more Neopolitan Calabrian, and Sicilian in origin than central and northern Italian. And those southern parts of Italy haven’t been as hard it, but you may be correct; I thinks it just being an area heavily served by transit, tall dense living and an international hub. I dont know the degree to which there was direct exchange with Wuhan (e.g as in Milan), but also I found out 8.75 % of the NYPD is Chinese-American in the context of recent issues with schools and police incidents.
urbanleftbehind (65a3e5) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:43 amAs to the New Jersey family, I think everybody kissed grandma (and each other) too much. As to the Italian Italians, I’d like to know how many of the infected are Gypsies. Rome alone has a quarter million of them.
nk (1d9030) — 3/21/2020 @ 11:50 am41… here’s what Dr. Fauci said a few hours later…
“You know, I’m not dismissing it at all, and I hope that that interpretation wasn’t widespread. What I said is that we don’t have definitive proof that it works.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 12:00 pmFrom Star Trek: The Next Generation (“Rightful Heir”):
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 12:06 pmYou gotta love that people are actually arguing about whether Trump’s expertise on a medical research issue is superior to the medical researchers. Trump. Is. Dumb. You couldn’t trust him to accurately describe his own hotel. You couldn’t trust Trump to describe the size of his own hands.
Of course this wishful thinking that Trump cures the pandemic on his watch, cementing himself as the Dearest of Leaders sounds like North Koreans telling the fairy tale of Kim Il Sung stopping the US Army, armed only with a sword. It would be nice if we had leaders who deserved that kind of fanatical worship, I guess (I wouldn’t get into it), but Trump is actually one of the dumbest failures in the history of man. Electing him will result in the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Had Trump simply listened to the couple of remaining non-yes-men in his administration, and not purged the rest, we’d be two months ahead of where we are. We needed those months.
Hence the need for fanatical Trump followers to pray for a cure. Yeah, a cure would be awesome. National leaders facing armies single handedly would also be awesome.
Locusts, earthquakes, plagues, and our worshiped leader is throwing up huge golden Trump signs on his newest hotels with money leftover from his prostitutes and the influence gained from betrayed our allies in the middle east. If we weren’t a more secular time people would read a lot into that.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/21/2020 @ 12:22 pmHad Trump simply listened to the couple of remaining non-yes-men in his administration, and not purged the rest, we’d be two months ahead of where we are. We needed those months.
You all keep repeating the same thing, (it has to be a talking point) and I’ll keep asking for specifics.
With clarity of 20/20 hindsight, exactly what advice did President Trump ignore, and what specific actions did President Trump refuse to implement.
Iowan2 (bbb95d) — 3/21/2020 @ 12:42 pm50. You don’t need definitive proof that it works. There’s enough quinine in tonic water to give your gin an extra kick. If this thing is as serious as the bureaucrats are claiming it is, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to question chloroquine’s safety. None.
Gryph (08c844) — 3/21/2020 @ 12:44 pmDoctors: Stop Hyping Chloroquine When There Are Patients Who Need It For Other Illnesses
Also, it kills people:
People have started poisoning themselves with it in Nigeria by self-dosing after they heard Trump tout the drug.
But hey, what the hell do you have to lose by ignoring medical doctors and listening to an ignorant quack?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:22 pmTook a peek into twitter and then slowly backed out……
Matt Viser
@mviser
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Joe Biden says he is “desperately” looking to be in regular contact with the American public, perhaps with regular press conferences in Wilmington, Del., or using technology. “They tell me there’s ways we can do teleconferencing via us all being in different locations,” he says.
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Toronto Star
@TorontoStar
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COVID-19 deaths may increase day by day but that’s not where the terror lies. The true terror is mass death and that could become reality if we don’t tackle climate change, Heather Mallick writes. http://torstar.co/
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Rolling Stone
@RollingStone
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How Social Distancing Could Lead to a Spike In White Nationalism – rollingstone.com
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MSN
@MSN
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Drug touted by Trump to possibly treat virus can kill in just 2 grams http://msn.com/en-us/
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neontaster
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:24 pm@neontaster
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They come in 100mg pills. So yeah if you take 20 in a day it can kill you. Don’t take 20 anything in a day.
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To me it’s simple: who am I going to believe – Trump, who has no medical background or expertise or Dr. Fauci, who is a trained immunologist?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:24 pmFor the “chloroquine is a dangerous poison” crowd, the poison is in the dose. Water will kill you if you drink too much too fast. SMDH…
Gryph (2f01e5) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:36 pmIt would be hilarious (and wonderful) if Trump was right, but this hope is basically religious from his more outspoken fans in this thread. It’s like the left’s more nutty environmentalists. And I guess that makes sense. It’s scary to fend for yourself in the world. Better to imagine dear leader has everything under control. Same folks buy into conspiracy theories because it’s just scary to imagine so much is out of the hands of shadowy committees. And to these guys, pointing out the error of their thinking isn’t just discourse… it’s some kind of proof of blasphemous disloyalty.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:49 pmDid you even bother to read?
The “normal” dose for treatment is 1 gram per day.
The lethal dose, in some cases, is as little as 2 grams per day.
There is another case described in the linked article where a woman who thought she had CV, but didn’t, took 1.8 grams and developed severe health problems.
Another known side-effect is severe and permanent damage to eye-sight.
This is all based on a very small number of people taking the drug. The range of outcomes in a much larger sample will be correspondingly larger. This is why careful studies are necessary, to tell doctors what is safe and what isn’t, what other factors might affect the safe dose, or mean that there IS no safe dose for some people. This is process is the product of many decades of learning how to safely test a drug for human use.
Dude, this is just dumb.
If one glass of water a day might have certain benefits, but two glasses a day has a significant chance of killing you, wouldn’t it be wise to understand things a little better before giving it to millions of people?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:52 pmMark my words: Hospital beds necessary for coronavirus patients will soon be taken up by idiots taking big doses of chloroquine and God knows what else, thinking that it will keep them from getting the virus. And medical professionals will be pulled away from those needing treatment to take care of those needing treatment for being foolish.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:55 pmNew book, possibly of interest to the “Fauci is literally Hitler” crowd…
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:55 pmGryph, just to be clear, I wasn’t talking about you with the Trump worship obviously.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:56 pmYou gotta love that people are actually arguing about whether Trump’s expertise on a medical research issue is superior to the medical researchers.
Are commenters here trying to make that argument?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 1:57 pm51… there must be relevant wisdom to be found in Galaxy Quest as well. I’ll check with a 13 year old nephew, he’s usually up on these matters.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:01 pmPolitics infiltrates everything:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:05 pmThe Washington Post
@washingtonpost
Analysis: 1 in 8 Trump voters lives in a county with no ICU beds
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Noah Rothman
@NoahCRothman
The implication in premise of stories like these is positively ghoulish.
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Michael Brendan Dougherty
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I think you are misreading it, it’s for liberal readers and framed as revenge porn
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Bonny WrightHoneybee
@miamivandynyu
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They always find a way to be even more despicable today than yesterday. Their true talent.
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China did this
@jtLOL
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And Trump voters also tend not to live in tightly packed cities. I think they might make it out of this better than the people who hate them.
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Chris Clinkinbeard
@Clinkin53
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Conversely, 7 in 8 prospective Biden voters live in cities that allow people to sh*t in the street or allow people to shoplift up to an amount of $950 with only a misdemeanor charge.
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Carole Gilman
@CaroleGilman
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“Flyover” is being elite!
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David Rohm
harkin (b64479) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:25 pm@_DavidRohm_
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I guarantee that when the sh*t hits the fan, people out here in mainstream America who look out for each other will be the ones left standing. People like you, who likely can’t even change a tire, will be the first casualties.
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Figure the LA Times to spin this.. The WaPo at least has some remaining self-respect. There are enough test kits (the article said “plenty” this AM, but that’s gone now), they just aren’t using them. They can’t afford to. Each test uses up a gown and a mask, and they need those to treat actual patients.
We are now past the point where containment is possible, if it ever was. With the widespread behavior of younger adults, who are doing what they always did (party as much as possible), and the added free time the have to do it, containment was never more than a delusion.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:50 pmThen there’s these reports that are getting past the Great firewall:
https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html?ncid=facebook_yahoonewsf_akfmevaatca
More directly here: https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-04/lights-are-on-but-no-ones-working-how-local-governments-are-faking-coronavirus-recovery-101524058.html
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:53 pmSome in the media (and elsewhere) have been working to instill panic about the disease and now they’re trying to instill panic about possible cures (2 grams will KILL you).
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 2:57 pmJaysus, Col., this is common knowledge. People were given quinine as an antimalarial back in the day because the alternative was you would likely die. The dangers of the stuff are plastered all over the interweb.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 3:07 pm71… as has been pointed out, the dose (pills) are 100mg. Pretty far effing away from 2 grams.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:23 pmKudlow- $2 trillion bailout package and… counting.
Do another line, Supply-Side-Snowman.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:37 pmPretty far effing away from 2 grams.
Sure, and people DO self-medicate and WILL do themselves harm without information. The point being that the press was not “instilling panic about a possible cure”.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:40 pm74… Sure they are. When they’re not parroting ChiCom propaganda.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:45 pm73… you are a case study.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:47 pmThe size of the pill is irrelevant. What matters is the *prescribed* dose.
Also, if you look in the photo in the article I linked earlier, you will see one box of 500 mg pills, and another of 250 mg pills.
I would guess the people who take the drug daily for lupus or other ailments are prescribed a smaller dose, because the goal is to maintain a certain stable, and not necessarily high, level in the bloodstream.
If you are trying to treat someone with an acute viral condition, small doses might not be sufficient. The original Chinese studies that created optimism used a dose of 1 gram/day.
One of the points of controlled testing is to establish how much is enough, and how much is too much.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 4:47 pmHe said he’s committed to a woman for VEEP. And h boasts bout his skills at working across the aisle. Now that she’s hit the silk from troubled Boeing’s BoD, ponder this in difficult times as a ‘unity ticket’ –
Biden/Haley 2020
Betcha JoeyBee is.
Haley, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:29 pmSure they are. When they’re not parroting ChiCom propaganda.
So it’s your thesis that the press
1. parrots ChiCom propaganda, and
2. is trying to instill panic about possible cures.
Any idea how that makes you sound like a nutter…???
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:41 pmYou sure get away with a lot around here, pal.
From White House reporter Andrew Feinberg:
Verified account @AndrewFeinberg
“Holy shit, this is ignorant snake oil drivel spewing forth from the President.
Azithromycin is an ANTIBIOTIC.
Antibiotics are NOT effective against VIRUSES.
He might as well tweet about colloidal silver.”
Dumbass is not aware that the Azithromycin (effective against pneumonia) would be used in tandem with Hydroxychloroquine.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:47 pmRagspierre (d9bec9) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:41 pm
The press is parroting ChiCom propaganda. They aren’t the only ones. It’s getting pretty blatant. In some cases, it’s bootlicking to a degree Trump could only dream of.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:52 pmNorth Korea says it received a letter from Trump
Dave (1bb933) — 3/21/2020 @ 5:54 pmCompletely off subject, but Dolly Parton’s message on the passing of her friend, Kenny Rogers, is awfully sweet. She is a national treasure. Here.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/21/2020 @ 7:04 pmThat was sweet, Dana.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/21/2020 @ 7:07 pmHope all of you are healthy and stay that way. My granddaughter just got out of icu saturday, after the operation on Monday. The surgical team had nicknamed her “Pistol” for her strength. She had a close call on Wed. temp to 104 cause possibly meningitis. The culture study is being done. I just want to thank you all for your thoughts and prayers, they were all felt and cherished. My daughter is the most amazing person in the world. Having to do this under conditions of being quarantined without her mom and dad. Children Hospital of Boston and the people are truly a gift to Children and the parents.
mg (8cbc69) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:08 amAdvice for whats going on – get going on prepping your garden. cold weather crops can go in. lettuce, arugula, radishes, etc.
Be safe.
Thanks again for your prayers.
Glad to hear the good news, mg.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:11 amIf you’re going to quote Trump, give us the whole quote and not just a part of it – to deliberately make his comment look at bad as possible.
Here’s what he said just before “Smart guy”>
Such a lovely question. Look, it may work and it may not work. And I agree with the doctor, what he said: It may work, it may not work.
And here’s what he said after:
I have a feeling you may — and I’m not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean, there’s been some interesting things happened and some good — very good things. Let’s see what happens. We have nothing to lose. You know the expression: What the hell do you have to lose? Okay?
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:13 amThe malaria drug has killed the virus in the lab. But people are different. And side-effects are unknown. OTOH, as Trump says, the drug has been safely used for years. In correct doses. But then that’s true of everything. Even water will kill you, if you drink enough of it.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:18 am@86
Whoa, Dana quote mined the hell out of Trump. That’s not an honest way to go about it.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:36 am@87 Chloroquine has worked against SARS-CoV-2 (in at least one small study) in the human body too, not just in the lab.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:55 amKenny Rogers was a national treasure. When he was singing you didn’t want to take your eyes off him. He had a smooth voice that was greater than the sum of its parts. And he was humble and generous. Him and Dolly together were gold.
JRH (52aed3) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:41 am84 – best wishes for your granddaughter.
Lost in all this are the thousands of people who need critical care that have nothing to with the Wuhan virus and will suffer delays or outright loss of care due to the overload.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:47 am_
“ Italians were so preoccupied with perceptions of racism that the mayor of Florence even launched a “Hug a Chinese” Day initiative shortly after President Donald Trump and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced travel restrictions on China.”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/italy_political_correctness_china_coronavirus
_
Maybe don’t hug anybody for awhile.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:50 amBless you all, mg. This must be a nightmare for your family. Your daughter is strong for her baby. I’m sure she learned that from her parents.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 9:18 amNone, that I know of. Also, I am missing where trump recommended a specific dosage. It seems the argument isn’t really about the well-understood (by med experts) toxicity of hydroxychloroquine, but about Trump championing it. He committed the unpardonable sin of encroaching upon the “Holy territory of the medical priesthood.” [do I really need the sarc tag?]
Why don’t we sue Trump for practicing medicine without a license?
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 9:48 ammg,
Continued prayers for your little grandbaby. Prayerfully no meningitis. I can’t imagine how hard it is for all of you being apart from each other right now. God be with you all.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 9:58 amThank you Dana! That was wonderful. May we all be blessed by someone who loves us like Dolly.
“I loved Kenny with all my heart, and a big ol’ chunk of it has gone with him today…”
For you, dolly.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:00 amMore horrible news out of Italy:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:04 amI echo what DRJ said, mg.
My sister did just that recently as an act of hope.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:06 amYou gotta love that people are actually arguing about whether Trump’s expertise on a medical research issue is superior to the medical researchers.
Are commenters here trying to make that argument?
This exchange once again highlights the difference between expertise and political leadership.
Expertise can tell you what we know about the efficacy of this drug for this new disease. Which in this case is, very little. There are some very preliminary indications it might help. Or it might not.
The experts would like to take 18 months to study it and come to a conclusion.
Problem is, we don’t have 18 months. So we have to make a decision in real time about whether to try something, that might not work, and might also have harmful side effects. (Although in the case of this particular drug, it has been around for decades, so we know the side-effects and how to limit them.)
That’s the point everyone is missing. Dr. Faucci may be an expert, but he is operating within a limited knowledge and limited data. (The old lawyers’ say is that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less.) And the political decision of whether to at lest tentatively try to use this new drug with our limited knowledge, because we are in a crisis mode, is NOT something that he needs to be deferred to.
I read Trump’s comments, as fully quoted by # 86, in this vein, albeit with Trump’s usual clownish way of putting things.
This is what we have to be vigilant about — not letting experts make decisions and value judgments beyond their expertise. I respect Dr. Fauci for what he is, but we should have no illusions that he is all-knowing nor the one with the best judgment for what is good for the country.
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:09 amTrump to US governors: Fend for yourselves
Trump to North Korea: How can I help?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:09 amBored Lawyer,
I hope Trump’s comments are based on his political goals rather than based on purported medical expertise. I think he is making the right decision for the sickest people, and frankly I think doctors were going to use this drug off-label anyway. They are in the case of David Lat.
But the tone of Trump’s comments portray him as seeing reports that enable him to make medical calls — this drug works! — and it looks like Trump is the medical optimist vs Fauci the medical pessimist. What I see is Trump, once again, deciding he can ignore professional ethics to get what he wants or something that makes him look good. He does it with law all the time and now he is doing it with medicine.
Sick people always want hope. I get that. I’ve been there. But using a drug off-label has risks, and Trump’s words will encourage every patient to want this drug.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:26 amBored Lawyer (56c962) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:09 am
Good comment. Thank you.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:09 am
I appreciate the offer, but I have already washed my hog. [IYKWIMAITYD]
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:29 amI agree, DRJ. I would like for those people to let an M.D. make the prescription, rather than see them self-medicate.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:33 amBored Lawyer, I’m not even sure that Trump was making a ‘decision’ about this drug so much as he was telling us, yet again, to frankly our exhaustion, that this disease is no big deal. Now that he has to admit he’s been aware it’s a pandemic all along, it’s no big deal because there’s an easy way out.
But is there really an easy way out?
Similarly, I don’t think anyone was asking Dr. Fauci to run the executive branch or make decisions outside the scope of his pretty senior executive office. We were asking him for information about medical research. Why would Trump supersede that expert opinion? There’s only one reason: to minimize the problem.
Why would Trump want to minimize the problem? Because of short term gratification. It’s a character defect.
And we’ve seen the effect this has on many of Trump’s supporters, who are often paranoid and even take normal information about how this ‘cure’ works as ‘rooting for America to die so the election doesn’t go Trump’s way’. And DRJ’s explained the other problem more succinctly than I can.
There’s another cognitive bias at play: what about the other potential solutions? If Trump is going to mentally jump optimistically to this one, what about the ones his administration doesn’t find out for a couple of months?
I don’t think they do. I think they are happy to sidestep red tape to save millions of lives. They aren’t insane. The vaccine process will probably take that long at best (could take far longer) but it’s not because of what anyone would like. Treatments? They will take far less time to work out because if someone is about to die, there is really no reason not to think outside the box. We will have all the test cases we could ever need, sadly. This is how we know about this particular drug that Trump is mesmerized with.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:34 amGood. As the Japanese have shown with Avigan and also referred to other anti-virals being used to combat COVID-19, they work very well when applies early and do not work well when applied late. Therefore, here you miss the point entirely, no matter how well meaning you are:
Make America Ordered Again (864550) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:48 amRand Paul is the first Senator to test positive.
He says he has no symptoms.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:54 amI hope he is ok. He had broken ribs and a punctured lung a few years ago. He may be at risk still because of lung damage.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:12 amIf you watch the video of Dr. Fauci making his comments, Trump immediately steps in and contradicts what Fauci had just said. This is sending a mixed message at best, and the public is forced to make a decision on whom they believe most: the president of the trained immunologist.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:30 amBest wishes, mg and felipe!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:30 amTimes like these are when I especially like this blog. This is an event where knowledge matters. The people here read widely and share their information, usually in a helpful and respectful way. Everyone has an opinion but most of the time we are open to having our ideas challenged and then defending them with reason and links. That is the best way to educate ourselves.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:31 amAnd we’ve seen the effect this has on many of Trump’s supporters, who are often paranoid and even take normal information about how this ‘cure’ works as ‘rooting for America to die so the election doesn’t go Trump’s way’.
Is this helpful? Is it honest?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:32 amAccording to Rand Paul’s spokesperson, the senator did not knowingly come into contact with an infected person, but rather:
If they’re using that condition, it would seem that most people in Congress should be tested then, out of an abundance of caution.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:33 amHaiku, yes.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:34 amMAOA,
I think Trump is making the right decision by authorizing the medical community to try certain drugs. That is different than telling people he thinks they will work.
Speaking from that podium in this serious situation, doing that is tantamount to practicing medicine and he is not qualified.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:34 amGood point, Dustin. I hadn’t thought of that but it fits.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:36 amIf Rand Paul tested positive, how many other members of Congress has he been around in the past two weeks?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:37 amHm, the report says that he has been working remotely for 10 days and that he hasn’t been in contact with anyone from work in that time. I thought 14 days was the outside number for contagion.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:39 amTrump was elected because he wasn’t business as usual, but I think his supporters didn’t recognize his aggressive manners as thin skinned weakness. They saw it as contempt for the establishment.
I keep thinking about that reporter throwing Trump that softball ‘what would you say to frightened Americans’ and Trump’s angry ‘you’re a terrible reporter’ panicked reaction. This kind of knee jerk avoidance seemed like leadership when he directed it at Megyn Kelly and Hillary Clinton, but he’s not some outsider… he’s the most established establishment, having purged his own administration. The president for most of a term. Trump’s lack of self awareness that he’s the establishment now has promoted more panic.
Americans watching an actual expert’s point get kneecapped instantly by Trump’s ego doesn’t give us any information, except that behind closed doors the White House continues to be chaotic.
There’s a reason Dr. Messonnier, one of the first members of the administration to raise the alarm, was excluded from subsequent briefings. Just disagreeing with the president, even acknowledging that this is a big deal, is interpreted as ‘rooting against the team’.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:40 amShould we care any more about testing them than any other American who has symptoms or has traveled? I know they are important political leaders but we all matter, and plenty of people fit that model who can’t get tests.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:40 amColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:30 am
Same to you, Colonel! We old folks are at great risk, not just from diseases, but from a growing bias in hospitals about depleting resources on the like of us, especially during times of crises.
Take me out to the ball game, not to the hospital – felipe
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:41 amDustin,
Bottom line, I think, is that all of Trump’s response to Dr. Fauci and the mentioned drug is based upon how it impacts him and his image and the Trump Brand. Just like it always does. It has very little to do with the pandemic, patients, etc. It has everything to do with him not being able to admit he’s wrong, not being able to defer to experts, and not being able to step aside and let someone else assume a role official in a situation. Even when he does momentarily step aside, we just saw with his response to Fauci’s correction, that he will contradict because he has to be right. It is like having a stubborn child take charge during a pandemic.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:42 amDustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:40 am
Thank you for that insight, Dustin. I find your comment persuasive.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:44 amDrj is right about this little community of well-read commenters; the testing of ideas educates us all.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:46 amNo, of course not. My point was, if Rand Paul was tested because he “travels” and attends events, then the “out of an abundance of caution” reason should apply to anyone who has traveled, whether on business/pleasure and been around people, and for anyone who has attended events. Also, if he had been quarantined for 10 days already, why test him now, especially if he is asymptomatic? Why not wait 14 days and see if he comes symptomatic first and then make the decision?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:46 amFelipe, I hope you are doing well. I hope you have an HEB near you.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:50 amObama discussed this:
I don’t think he was bragging. I think he was trying to show a little self awareness. Because of how our egos work, senior leaders can misunderstand what got them their power. It may not be that they knew everything or have the best decision making skill. It may just be effective politics or connections or just circumstance.
And what comes next: the temptation to enforce that superiority. Promote “loyal” advisors, meaning yes-men who get “on board”. Make sure you get the last word on everything. Send out ‘guidance’ on your ‘direction’.
Obama certainly had more polish, but he went into Libya anyway, despite many Bush era holdovers recognizing how foolish the effort was (not a threat to us, a massive undertaking we weren’t going to be serious about).
All presidents have to deal with this problem. Bush had a very self-deprecating manner and his whole political strategery worked well with humility, which is why Trump can’t stand him. There’s nothing more threatening to big ego than a man who doesn’t feel a need to protect his ego.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:56 amBTW, I just ordered groceries using Instacart. Super easy to use, lots of stores to choose from, and delivery within 5 hours (although I think that the time depends on the volume of orders). It serves a large number of areas in the nation. It’s a good time to check it out.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:57 amIn the private sector, Trump’s brand was specifically built on him hiring and firing at will, so much so that he had a reality show built to showcase his power. He assumed the government would be the same sort of platform to display his power. Unfortunately, and in too many ways, he’s been right. Yes men surrounding him have made that possible. While I believe there are still many good and decent people working within his administration trying do their best for the country, those with any real power, loyalists aside, only survive by becoming yes men, compromising their once-valued principles, or eventually they leave because the price to stay is too high.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:05 pmThank You all for the kind words. Tears down my cheeks as I read them.
mg (8cbc69) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:09 pmmg
What the heck:
So why were the pool and gym open in the first place? Why was Rand Paul swimming in the pool?? Even if this was before his test results came back, obviously he had been in self-quarantine for 10 days because he was concerned about getting the virus, but decides that swimming in a pool used by others would be okay? How irresponsible is that behavior – especially from a doctor! And if he swam in the pool *after* receiving test results, then it’s egregiously irresponsible.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:10 pm#PresidentCuomo: Dems Now Demanding NY Governor Replace Sanders And Biden As Nominee
https://www.dailywire.com/news/presidentcuomo-dems-now-demanding-ny-governor-replace-sanders-and-biden-as-nominee
You heard it here first, folks.
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:10 pmIndeed. Some will become brown nosers to stay where they are, justifying this by holding their ‘no’; for the right moment. Some will become internally deeply pessimistic.
We should keep Trump’s staff in our prayers right now. They are under tremendous stress and will be blamed for the deaths of a lot of people soon enough. A thankless job.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:12 pmThank you, Dustin. Same to you and your loved ones.
I went to an HEB, and I liked the measures they put in place such as “stickers” on the ground as an aid to shoppers to maintain proper distancing. A well-ordered line refereed by an empathetic employee who regularly explained to those in the queue, what all the measures were about and hoe it is for everyone’s protection.
Also, Only a certain number of people were allowed inside at one time, to help maintain distancing and it also diffused much of the anxiety in those prone to the hoarding urge. The cashiers seemed very calm and showed no signs of the strain a disgruntled shopper could place upon them.
I went to pick up a prescription, and the entire experience was one of a rekindling of faith in my fellow Texans. In solidarity with you, DRJ, and any others who, like Patterico (who find themselves away from Texas)Can call themselves “Texan,” I pray for those who are hardest hit by the virus and for those in the medical profession as well as all LEOs out there who selflessly put themselves at risk.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:12 pmDana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:05 pm
I completely agree. This is unique to Trump, the business man. We might have seen the same mindset from, say, Ross Perot.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:18 pmOne of our DILs and our daughter are both nurses and they are in our thoughts and prayers even more than usual. Both began as LVNs working with hospice patients… I always told them they were doing the Lord’s work and now that work continues.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:21 pmMitt Romney here saying that a number Republicans were all at a lunch together Friday, including Rand Paul. They are meeting with doctors to find out what to do. (Um, should they be self-quaranting to start?)
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:21 pmBored Lawyer (56c962) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:10 pm
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:22 pmRoger that.
Dana 127, Thank you!
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:23 pmTo felipe, Dustin, and all my fellow Texans: Ya’ll take care.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:26 pmMaybe now it’s Biden-Cuomo 2020?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:28 pmI realize no one else might be bothered by Rand Paul’s irresponsibility, but at the least, I expect our elected officials to show some damn personal responsibility during a pandemic. This is right up there with the idiot governor of Oklahoma tweeting a pic of his family going out to dinner and encouraging fellow-Oklahomans to do likewise.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:30 pmWhere I risk rubbing lemon juice on an open wound: Dr. Fauci clarifies his position and refers to this study. T appears that Dr. Fauci did not know that the “report” was not just anecdotal.
Offered in the spirit of more information.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:39 pm@108. If you watch the video of Dr. Fauci making his comments, Trump immediately steps in and contradicts what Fauci had just said. This is sending a mixed message at best, and the public is forced to make a decision on whom they believe most: the president of the trained immunologist.
Yeah, remember all those times President Nixon stepped in and contradicted Kranz, Kraft and Lunney during the Apollo 13 crisis management pressers?
Not.
Trump can certainly entertain; but he cannot lead, will not follow- so he best get out of the way. The United States government knows how to manage this kind of crisis of scale- multiple problems at once; cascading system failures; limited resource management and a critical time constraint. It has successfully demonstrated this capacity to the world before.
Revisit Apollo 13.
‘[It required] the skill and dedication of hundreds of members of the often-celebrated “manned space flight team” [ to save Apollo 13], however… the accident served to remind NASA and the public that human flight in space, no matter how commonplace it seemed to the casual observer, was not a routine operation.’ – source, NASA
Pandemics aren’t routine, either. But smart people know how to manage one– if you let them. The nation needs to apply this kind of project management, one of the best ‘spinoffs’ from the Apollo Program, marshal the teamwork and the necessary resources for solutions.
Mike Pence, Jarred Kushner and Donald Trump do not project nor demonstrate they possess this sort of skill set. They need to get out of the way.
The U.S. needs a singular voice; an authoritative organization to focus on, develop and apply solutions; a ‘Mission Control’ so to speak. So far, it has it has failed in that venue with competing organizations vying for influence, control and presidential attention– and ‘failure is not an option.’
Gather the people, put them in charge, get out of their way, and let them do what they do best; ‘work the problem’ — and they will save lives; and perhaps an economy, too. I strongly believe in this proven project management process. They teach it at Sloan up at MIT. Have used elements of it in my business career myself. It works. IMO.
“I want you guys figuring our minimum power needed in the LEM to sustain life.” – Gene Kranz, Flight Director, Apollo 13, April 13, 1970
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:39 pmI care about the message political leaders send, too. I guess I don’t expect much of those particular politicians … or of Trump, for that matter. But he is the President and a President should be better.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:41 pmGood links, felipe.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:45 pmYes, and they are so busy doing PR and being specialized, they don’t know that.
If we added three freakin’ steps, we could nip this in the bud.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:50 pmAtlanta:
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:51 pmI’ve read that there are some who’ve found they can up the number of ventilators by using more tubing and increasing power/output… they effectively double the one ventilator.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 12:56 pmAs a fellow Kentuckian, who has met Rand a number of times, there’s a reason his neighbor got so mad and gave him the flying tackle. He’s mostly an A-hole interacting with him personally, I’d bet the rest of the Senate view him the same way. He has to get his daily word quota in daily, regardless of whether he has something to say.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:02 pmWhat Trump says v. reality:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:02 pmThere is, Haiku. It originated in a Las Vegas ER after the mass shooting.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:06 pmBe better, Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:07 pmBe better about what? Trump is hitting his stride and doing fine. It’s Fauci who should be fired.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:08 pmThanks, DRJ, you take care, too.
@colonel; Yep, that’s what we’ve heard, too. You know that certain hospitals were designed with oxygen connections in the rooms, as well as other connections designed to have commonly needed resources. New hospitals could be designed so that the capacity for ventilation could be in every room as well. With controls/connections on the wall, an entire ward could be made available when needed. The heavy machinery required to supply all the outlets might be more cost effective if economy of scale is proven and made reliable.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:13 pmPlease, specify what Fauci is doing that should get him fired. Use any of your aliases, but be specific.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:15 pmThat you don’t see the problem here, as well as believing that it is Fauci that should be fired is mind-bogglingly ridiculous.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:15 pmMake America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:08 pm
I do not agree that Dr. Fauci should be fired. He is doing exactly what a scientist should do to ensure that the big picture is kept in focus. You need team members on offense and on defense.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:15 pmmg, I’m glad to hear that your granddaughter, little Pistol, is out of the ICU. Here’s hoping that she’s back to full strength soon. The staff at Boston Children’s Hospital is indeed excellent. A friend of mine was fortunate enough to do her residency there, and she would have loved to have stayed had not her husband been transferred to another city for work. But she always said it was the finest medical staff with whom she ever worked.
JVW (54fd0b) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:18 pmTrump is hitting his stride and doing fine.
He has come up lame, MAOA.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:18 pmI agree, felipe. What Dr. Fauci brings to the table is vital information for Americans, and essential to help understand what we’re up against, as well as dispellng inaccuracies spread by the president. Can the same be said of Trump in his purview?
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:19 pmI’d say Trump should stop lying about treatments, stop lying about how many ventilators and PPEs the federal government has ordered, stop lying about what GM, Ford, Tesla, Google. Stop lying about when he learned about it, stop lying about not getting rid of the pandemic response team, stop lying about what he said last week, last month, the month before, video exists.
Then, he should just STFU during the briefings, there’s not a single person in the room that doesn’t know more than him about any subject, show some leadership and let the smarter people speak. He may learn something…well…theoretically, we’ve never seen evidence of learning, but maybe this is the one.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:20 pmAnd here’s sending out my best thoughts for everyone who has loved ones in health care, law enforcement, grocery retail, or any other position where they continue to have to interact with the public. They are all true patriots.
JVW (54fd0b) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:22 pmPresident Trump knew more about the efficacy of anti-viral treatments against COVID-19 than Dr. Fauci, and this is the main thing we can do to solve this outside of social distancing.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:22 pmWord.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:24 pmThen, he should just STFU during the briefings, there’s not a single person in the room that doesn’t know more than him about any subject, show some leadership and let the smarter people speak. He may learn something…well…theoretically, we’ve never seen evidence of learning, but maybe this is the one.
Indeed. This is now the perfect time to answer questions with, “My staff will be releasing the exact numbers to you later,” or “Let me direct that question to Dr. ______ who is being tasked with investigating that particular issue.” Did no one ever tell him that a huge part of leadership is letting the members of your team lead in their areas of expertise?
JVW (54fd0b) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:25 pmPresident Trump knew more about the efficacy of anti-viral treatments against COVID-19 than Dr. Fauci, and this is the main thing we can do to solve this outside of social distancing.
Well, sure. It’s alt.right horsesh!t and nobody knows alt.right horsesh!t better than Trump. Nobody. Believe you me. I guarantee it.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:28 pmJust because Trump says it, doesn’t make it so. Trump was wrong, is wrong. Fauci was 100% right.
The level of brainwashing it takes to make you say “President Trump knew more about the efficacy of anti-viral treatments against COVID-19 than Dr. Fauci” is mind boggling. You cannot possibly believe that.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:29 pmMAOA,
In the article I linked to and posted at 150, Trump very clearly misrepresented what is really happening. As far as I can see, the only reason why he would do this would be to make himself look good, more effective, in control, and proof that he is getting his presidential hustle on during a pandemic. But given that it’s so easily disproven, he only looks (yet again) to be a dishonest hack, or one who is not listening and paying attention to what is actually taking place. Neither are a good quality in a president. Especially during a pandemic.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:32 pmWhat Trump definitely knows better than Fauci is how to get morons to believe that a Fifth Avenue fancy boy who plays “Palomino” with Nancy Pelosi is a wartime President.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:33 pmIt isn’t just a question of whether the drug works but what are the risks:
Dr Fauci is talking about balancing need and risks, because doctors have to worry about harm, too.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:37 pmWhich just so happens to be the center of gravity (Schwerpunkt) of the whole thing.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:37 pmAgain, this guy is a troll. He said this to get a rise out of people. He doesn’t necessarily even believe a thing he or his other sockpuppets say. Obviously this argument is too stupid to take seriously and it’s a betrayal of all the Americans who are going to be dying, partly because of how long our government took to take this problem seriously, partly because of ignorance spread about how this virus is not a big deal, and partly because of factors outside our government’s control.
The need to defend Trump with these tactics says all anyone needs to know about Trump’s merits. A better leader would be proud to show off his team’s expertise and defer when appropriate.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:39 pmI see he has a new IP address today after incredible consistency for a month. New starbucks?
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:40 pmSo you quoted this without actually listening to it. Fauci said it was anecdotal, limited, and may be true or not true, so no, Trumps optimism doesn’t make it work. Actual testing, not haphazard anecdotes. Felipe posted the video, and the report, as Fauci said, interesting, but not proven, and definitely not something to be recommended.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:41 pmAnd if you look at the warnings, this class of drugs can also cause problems for patients with heart problems. This should be up to politicians to make the drug available to doctors. That’s it. Trump should not act like the drug’s marketing department.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:42 pmIt wasn’t anecdotal. He was wrong. You’re literally ignoring Felipe’s point, despite it being there in black and white.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:43 pmFor long-term use in people with arthritis. We’re talking about a 10-day, one-time use.
Even if that is so, we can not treat those people with it and treat everybody else. We can even tell people the risks and rewards, so far as we know, and let them decide.
Make America Ordered Again (adac13) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:45 pmAgain, READ THE REPORT, WATCH THE VIDEO.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 1:54 pmI know that you only lie, because it’s your job or hobby. But you should tell your boss that your misinformation may kill people. If you don’t care, I guess that’s fine, but you are actively spreading foreign disinformation to harm America. Your lies are dangerous.
I seem to recall being told, not much more than a week ago, that we were “Totally prepared”.
Now untold numbers of lives depend on plants being re-tooled to produce completely different products in the middle of a pandemic.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:09 pmNevertheless, it is impressive that Americans can do that. I would love to see 3D printers become a more common household item in our country, perhaps to reduce our reliance on foreign manufacturing. I know it’s not like the printer just spits out an iphone, but with some skills you can be pretty industrious. I’ve seen a lot of 3D printers used to make good masks, after your thoughts on that subject.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:35 pmThese guys should be setting the example by telecommuting and using video for meetings. Of course… they can’t be as honest if there’s a record. They will all get outstanding care, but it will make a material difference in the number of ventilators and resources remaining for the rest of us.
Anybody else hear that China hasn’t had a case of this virus for a couple of days? Is that BS? I assume it’s BS.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:45 pmNo televised fed gov briefings and if there is no change to current mobility restrictions, no more televised state/local briefings either. There should be a 72 hour inverse blackout for that.
urbanleftbehind (f608a4) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:45 pmRe China I thought that was a couple days ago, Dustin, but now Beijing and Shanghai are emerging clusters due to repatriatees returning with the virus from other locales, but that might be literally the party line pat answer.
urbanleftbehind (f608a4) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:47 pmAcute lead poisoning can be fatal…
ANN ARBOR, MI – A Thursday night argument between roommates over restrictions caused by coronavirus concerns escalated into fatal shooting, police said.
Officers responded to a shots fired call at 9:12 p.m., March 19 in the 1700 block of Weldon Boulevard in the Dicken neighborhood of Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor Police Chief Michael Cox said in an email.
The officers found two men, one of whom was unresponsive and had been shot multiple times, police said. Paramedics with Huron Valley Ambulance determined the man had died at the scene, police said.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:49 pmBS: I’ve read from several sources that they’ve stopped testing. Hence no new cases.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:51 pmFiled under “Sons of B*tches in the Media”… https://t.co/EpFH4WgZqZ
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:56 pmAsshattery from “the Region”, some crazy lady argued with a clerk, then lit a garbage can on the way out, according to my Facebookers,
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/fire-damages-hammond-cvs-eyewitnesses-say/article_0f4312d8-d4ab-505b-b4cc-f9f40cb7f8e4.html
urbanleftbehind (f608a4) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:57 pmULB, thanks. It is hopeful that this isn’t going to just build and build of course.
The main issue with our jails is the increase in domestic violence.
Then there’s the trespassing homeless at hospitals, knowing that there is a strong push to not arrest people for minor offenses. That will definitely get worse.
No one is seeing how kids are being treated, since they aren’t in schools, and folks are all cooped up. Not everyone understands that they should go for a walk before they raise their voice these days.
Many cops and CPS workers are having a hard time right now.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 2:57 pmInteresting analysis (using cellphone tracking data) of how the virus spread within China, and then outside.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:39 pm“Romney’s in self-isolation? Geeeee, that’s too bad.”- President Donald J. Trump, 3/22/20
“Let me; [va-voom] entertain you…” – Gypsy Rose Lee, stripper.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:44 pmMAOA, in response to my comment, you said (emphasis yours):
The positive results came from the use of Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. The CDC is not certain of their combined use in some patients:
Then you said:
Exactly. We do that by letting the doctor and patient decide on treatment, not the President or the internet.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:46 pmDid Trump really say that, DCSCA?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:47 pm@193. YES.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:48 pm@193.He’s doing another idiotic presser now.
My God, they’re all completely out of sync w/reality.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:50 pm“This quarantine is affecting everyone in the workforce, but it especially sucks for men.
We’re losing $1 for every $.79 women are losing.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:52 pmDRJ, here’s a link about Trump laughing about Romney being in isolation.
He really does act like Qaddafi or Hussein. It’s a good thing he would look absurd in a military uniform.
He doesn’t understand how to communicate with empathy or leadership. He doesn’t understand that he is Romney’s president, my president. He likes his supporters a lot, but not because he actually cares about them… but because he cares about himself.
Locusts and plagues and an evil king. Interesting times.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:55 pmMemo to Newsom; report from the front.
Lots of California seems to be prtty much ignoring you.
Had to do a quick CVS-store run this afternoon. Traffic moderate to heavy. Shelves restocked since Friday but clearly cleared out again o Saturday. Managed to find a second loaf of bread, though. Disturbing observation- anglos were wearing masks; non-anglos- a high number of immigrants [which for some reason were grocery shopping on a Sunday afternoon] were not practicing the distancing thing nor wearing masks or gloves ad seemed oblivious to the situation.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 3:57 pmHenry Rodgers
@henryrodgersdc
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she will halt negotiations with the Senate and move to pass her own coronavirus package in the House, which could drag things out longer than many expected. More here:
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Elizabeth Warren
@SenWarren
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I’m hearing that this so-called “deal” will include $450B for Trump to dole out to companies with:
-No meaningful requirement that companies maintain payroll or benefits
-No serious restrictions on stock buybacks
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Samuel Hammond Globe with meridians🏛
@hamandcheese
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This is false.
The $450b loan facility prohibits stock buybacks, requires employment levels to be maintained, and puts limits on executive compensation and severance pay.
[copy of bill attached]
https://twitter.com/hamandcheese/status/1241797874146521095?s=20
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Rachel Bovard
@rachelbovard
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Nancy Pelosi’s legacy is turning into one where she saw senators falling to quarantine, cases of #COVIDー19 in New York City soar over 10k, and decided to slow relief to working families who cannot work by….
demanding a “laundry list” of unrelated Dem policy priorities.
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Guy Benson
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:01 pm@guypbenson
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Talking to some Senate GOP sources. They seem stunned and angry. I’m told there was lots of bipartisan input into the legislative outline & emerging specifics — including an agreement in principle on broad strokes. Then Pelosi showed up and threw a partisan grenade.
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Anyone who voted to make such a mentally defective imbecile the Republican nominee in 2016 must be completely out of synch with reality too, wouldn’t you say?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:03 pmUnless, of course, they were trying to tear our country down.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:03 pmIt’s easy to say this in hindsight and for some of these guys I definitely agree, but Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate. I want to say her connection with the Clinton and Obama administrations would have made her administration better able to handle crisis, but her faction was the one that handled Libya so poorly. I imagine they would have handled this virus much better, but I don’t really blame others for not buying that.
I mean… Hillary Clinton. Sheesh can you believe a political party said that was the best they’ve got? Hillary Clinton. As bad as Hillary was my favorite way to criticize Trump.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:06 pm
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:06 pmI tried. I tried not to criticize other people. But you have to stand up for decency too. And sometimes that means criticizing people.
I want everyone who thinks that crack was funny off my blog. Identify yourselves so I can take care of it now.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:07 pmDCSCA voted for Trump in the primaries.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:08 pm“ which for some reason were grocery shopping on a Sunday afternoon”
Saturday is for chores, relaxing and feasting after a long week of work.
Sunday morning is for church. Sunday afternoon is shopping and/or taking the family to the park or family gathering.
That was the pattern of many immigrant Latino families in SoCal when I lived there.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:09 pm_
Why the #@$%@#$%!@#$%@#$%^@#$
I laugh now but damn
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:10 pm@200. No. Of course not.
That’s a harsh assessment of half your fellow citizens, too. And the other half who voted for HRC.
Vanquishing the modern ideological conservative movement is worth it. No pain, no gain. The policies they advocated fueled the response from the structure you’re witnessing.
Deregulate then; bailout now: Reaganomics.
Temporary inconvenience; permanent improvement.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:11 pm“ I want to say her connection with the Clinton and Obama administrations would have made her administration better able to capitalize politically (even financially) off a crisis”
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Adjusted your quote to reflect my opinion.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:12 pm_
@208. To effectively neuter the modern ideological conservative movement.
And it has worked faster and quicker than dreamed.
Simply glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:13 pmI don’t think the crack was funny at all.
But what will be funny is the gas-lighting to come, namely:
1) Trump was being sincere in expressing his concern
2) It’s the reporter’s fault for asking the question
3) It’s Romney’s fault, somehow
4) So?
5) ????
What will almost certainly not happen, of course, is a sincere apology and admission of error by Trump.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:18 pm“People are dying to go to restaurants.” – President Donald J. Trump, 3/22/2020
Does he listen to what comes out of his mouth?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:21 pmAlready happening on Twitter, with people citing his claim that he wasn’t being sarcastic.
I am blocking each and every such person I can find.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:21 pmSo in other words, out-of-synch with reality? Hell yeah!
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:22 pmPatterico 204, are you talking about what Trump said about Romney? My answer is: It is not funny.
I truly hope Trump was not being sarcastic, and that he sincerely hopes Romney is fine (if only because he wants his vote on the coronavirus bill). To enjoy the thought that someone he views as a personal enemy might get sick is petty, shallow, self-centered, and evil. But Trump is capable of that, has delighted in the past in his GOP “enemies’ misfortune, and is often sarcastic or deceptive. For those reasons, I believe he was not being sincere.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:25 pm@200. Don’t excel at short-term thinking; look to the bigger picture:
‘Ronald Reagan rarely catches any blame these days for the present economic mess that is destabilizing markets in the United States and around the world. In fact, Americans often praise the former president for taking the country in bold new directions during his years in the White House. Politicians contribute to this love-fest by naming schools and roads after the iconic president. These admirers rarely acknowledge how central Reagan’s ideas are to the market difficulties troubling us today. As the country’s greatest modern champion of deregulation, perhaps Ronald Reagan contributed more to today’s unstable business climate than any other American. His long-standing campaign against the role of government in American life, a crusade he often stretched to extremes, produced conditions that ultimately proved bad for business… Economist Milton Friedman served as [Reaganomics] principal philosopher and Newt Gingrich was a leading advocate in Congress.’
-source, https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/53527
Deregulate then; bailouts now: Reaganomics. Wht’s thi since the S&L collape nd the ’87 crash– the third time?
Boxing this up and stuffing back in Goldwater’s attic is what it’s all about.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:27 pmWow. you’re good at that!
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:27 pm@216. Trump was tying to be ‘sarcastic’ in tone with his quip but it was a clear stick-it-to-him-jab and really wasn’t funny. You’ll see the clip replayed for sure.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:29 pmThey must have inside polls w/t core supporters showing he’s losing ground on how he’s handling this so he’s ‘going with his gut’ and trying to distract from poor job performance w/what he says as Congress ‘gaslights’ American taxpayer w/another sloppy slush fund corporate bailout bill. 40 years of this crap is enough.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:40 pmSo Rand Paul was just recently swimming in the congressional pool and now he’s tested positive?
Smdh
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:40 pm_
I recall Trump joking that Mccain had gone off to ‘far less green pastures’ when he died.
He’s the bad guy. I don’t know what else to say here. Don’t root for the bad guy. Life is rarely so uncomplicated.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:44 pmHere’s an up-to-date graph comparing daily rates of new cases.
You can edit the graph to add or remove countries, change the time interval on the horizontal scale, or change the vertical scale between linear and logarithmic.
In the past 24 hours, the US passed Italy to take the global lead in new cases.
Other countries who instituted counter-measures before us are showing some signs of flattening, which is encouraging. The usual caveat that the count of new cases depends on the number of tests administered applies, of course.
In other news, yesterday I got a mail saying that a UCI graduate student who lived in graduate student housing tested positive. I think this is the first confirmed case involving a UCI affiliate.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:45 pm@222. Stalin bad; let Hitler win, eh?!?!
‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend is an ancient proverb which suggests that two opposing parties can or should work together against a common enemy.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:49 pmSure, a lot of supposed conservatives obviously weren’t so conservative. A socialist just came closer to the presidency than ever before. The depression we’ll probably face could push us all the way to socialism. These were not unpredictable outcomes of Trump and why I wouldn’t support him, so in a way we had the same view of the situation and opposite reactions.
The cost is going to turn out to be very high. Having a president who can’t function properly in this kind of crisis will hurt a lot of people who would have otherwise made it. The USA is hard to predict long term, but generally the veneer of ‘we sure wanted to be conservative… maybe next year’ wearing off the GOP is probably healthy.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:50 pmI would enthusiastically support Trump over Stalin or Hitler. Hillary is associated with many amusing fantasies and is clearly not a great leader or someone I admire, but she isn’t either. And neither is Biden. Biden’s basically the Team D version of Trump.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:51 pmThe choice in the primaries wasn’t between Stalin and Hitler.
It was between Mussolini and a dozen other competent, more or less intelligent and decent people.
And you chose Mussolini.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:55 pm@227. You keep getting things wrong, Dave;
Trump is a Presbyterian of German descent; Benito wazza Italiano and a devout Catholic.
I chose the Presbyterian who neutered the modern ideological conservative movement.
Glorious.
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Snapping Turtle: Senate procedural vote on coronavirus aid package fails.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:05 pmI too describe Trump first and foremost by his deeply held religious devotion. You can’t really capture who he is without referencing his grace, kindness, spirituality. Truly a beautiful man.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:08 pmDustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 4:50 pm
The more likely outcome is fascism. It will probably be called socialism by a lot of people who get these things mixed up.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:13 pmFascism and nazism were both forms of socialism.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:15 pmIndeed. In a country like ours. But the more I think about it the more I think we’re better than that. Sanders lost, after all, and it’s because he’s a socialist that he lost.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:16 pm@225. A socialist just came closer to the presidency than ever before…
Some diehard righties will insist one was elected– four times. Even Reagan voted for him every time. 😉 The media echo chamber, particularly on radio and later w/Fox, conservativism constructed made them believe there were more of them than there truly was. A car audio systems call it a ‘bucket brigade.’ 😉
“In a transcript dated February 24 2020, radio personality Rush Limbaugh claimed that novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is no more dangerous than “the common cold,” adding that he believed that concern over the new strain of disease was simply part of an effort to make United States President Donald Trump look bad.” – source, truthorfiction.com
“Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.” -Rush Limbaugh, 2/24/20
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:19 pmIt is crystal clear he was not being sincere in the way he said it.
I’m glad to see nobody popping in to say they thought it was funny. I’ll ban anyone who does.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:20 pmI for one am tired of all the winning
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:22 pmMark D Levine – Chair Of NYC City Council Health Committee – today:
Mark D. Levine
@MarkLevineNYC
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If you only believe public health experts when they tell you what you want to hear then you don’t get to say you believe public health experts.
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Same guy six weeks ago:
Mark D. Levine
@MarkLevineNYC
In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #LunarNewYear parade. Chants of “be strong Wuhan!”
If you are staying away, you are missing out!
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:37 pm_
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:16 pm
I couldn’t have said it better, but it ain’t over till it’s over.
felipe (023cc9) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:55 pmMaggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
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Some Dems are betting that Trump will be received as Bush post-Katrina as opposed to Bush post-9/11. And there’s a split among Dems about how they ought to be handling Trump in this moment, which so far has ended up benefiting the president. https://nytimes.com/2020/03/22/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-wartime-president.html
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Dems tired of the winning too.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 5:56 pm_
Obviously it’s the population difference, but “number of cases” is soon going to correlate not trivially with “number of tests.” I imagine the U.S.’s production there will be significant.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:00 pm“ Obviously it’s the population difference, but “number of cases” is soon going to correlate not trivially with “number of tests.”
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Just in the past couple days I’ve read that the Italians are over counting and the Chinese are undercounting.
“A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in Italy have been in patients over 70 years old.
And according to modelling the majority of this age group are likely to need critical hospital care – including 80 per cent of 80-somethings – putting immense pressure on the health system.
But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“ On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
I fear the world is still a long way from accurate and consistent counting regarding the virus.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:31 pm_
I’m not so sure the number of tests will, or even can, grow much faster than the (exponential) rate of the disease for any length of time. On the contrary – it may have trouble keeping up.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:34 pmWe were just talking about this the other day……..
NY Times Opinion
Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html#click=https://t.co/F1swTQpPTe
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:40 pm_
That may well be so, but my point is just that, having made the decision to pull out all the stops, the U.S. will make a lot of tests quickly, likely surpassing many other countries in testing.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:47 pmReminds me of something I said earlier today:
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:53 pmI ordered a box of surgical masks via Walmart yesterday.
Delivery promised on April 2.
I figure if I can order them from Walmart, so can any medical facility that needs them.
A significant fraction of my students were wearing masks since January.
It seems foolish to forego additional protection if it’s available.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:56 pmI take it you have a lot of Asian students.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 6:57 pmJust watched Dr. Fauci on Mark Levin’s show… a very interesting interview. Among the things he said was that he couldn’t imagine any entity making a more concerted effort in response to this unprecedented threat. Everybody involved is working hard and with total focus on the job at hand.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:01 pmThe UC system has tens of thousands of Chinese students.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:03 pmWhether you’ve had a test or not doesn’t mean you are not sick. Massive testing, a la South Korea, will define the boundaries of the hot zones. South Korea is testing 20k people a day, and have been for a month, as of today the US has done 191,541 total tests, South Korea will run out of people before we catch up. It’s a disgrace.
This isn’t drive through testing, they’ve been doing that 6 weeks, these booths are being used…today.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:04 pmAgain, he doesn’t have to imagine, he can look at what a proper response looks like, and then Italy for a terrible example, where much closer to Italy than SK.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:05 pm@240 I’ve read that this is why Germany’s numbers are low, i.e. if the person got covid and then pneumonia they count it as dying of pneumonia and it doesn’t go into the covid count. I think the unofficial name is the don’t panic policy codenamed ostrich.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:07 pmYou should write Fauci and tell him he’s full of schiff, klink.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:12 pmTaiwan did a great and early job too.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:12 pmUC Irvine is somewhere around 50% Asian-American or Asian (international).
It may be even higher in the sciences.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:14 pmThey do have certain stereotypical behavioral tendencies, at least in aggregate, which is probably one of the reasons right there that their countries were able to mitigate this pandemic better.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:15 pmWhen I worked in Japan, it was common for people who thought *they* might be ill to wear a mask to work.
Haneda Airport in Tokyo is cleaner than most hospitals I’ve been in…
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:17 pm“ I think the unofficial name is the don’t panic policy codenamed ostrich.”
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It sounds like there’s middle ground here where a more accurate number actually lies.
Counting everyone who’s infected who dies even if they (previous to infection) were dying or in serious condition from an unrelated malady doesn’t seem right either.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:19 pmTrump was asked if he was being sarcastic. And he said, he was not.
So you don’t believe him?
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:20 pmIs this a trick question?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:21 pmBTW, Gov. Cuomo has echoed Trump and stated we should hope the malaria drug will be effective in battling the virus. I’m looking for blow-back against Cuomo, and not finding much.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:21 pmIs that a trick response?
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:22 pmIf his mouth was making noise, it was a lie.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:24 pmI’ll have to watch that. And his Face the Nation interview. There’s a “Science Magazine” interview online which is the biggest hack job I’ve seen. Its “Edited for brevity and clarity”. So its not even clear how much the words are Dr. Fuuci’s. There’s also very little science in it. Whoppi Goldberg could’ve done a more “scientific” interview.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:25 pmWearing a mask in Asia, when you think you are sick is good manners. The mask doesn’t help you, it prevents you from infecting others.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:27 pmThat’s not “echoing Trump”.
Of course we should hope the malaria drug will be effective.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:29 pmExcept for the Chicoms, who can’t be trusted to report accurately, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and even Hong Kong have done a good job of containing the virus. And without crashing their economies. You have to wonder what’s wrong with the US Government/Societ. And i don’t mean Trump.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:29 pmIn Japan culture there is much more sense of being part of the collective national and ethnic group. The ratio of Japanese to non-Japanese surely is part of the nature of this bond.
In the USA not only is there much more consideration of the individual, but boundaries of standards and norms have been pushed relentlessly compared to most countries. Think fighting to keep bath houses open during the AIDS epidemic.
This difference worked out very well for Japan so far in the case of the virus, in WW2 it was another story.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:30 pm_
Trump is a snide orange b!tch.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:30 pmActually it is. But you’re not going to praise Trump or give him credit no matter what. That’s why nothing you write is taken seriously when it involves Trump.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:31 pmGiven that WW 2 was 75 years ago, I think its Advantage Japan.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:33 pmJust to be clear, Romney is NOT sick. He’s in isolation because he’s been in contact with someone who has tested positive. He MAY test positive. Or he may test NEGATIVE. And even if he’s positive, it doesn’t mean he will get sick. There’s no evidence Ron Paul is seriously ill.
rcocean (1a839e) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:37 pmThis isn’t Schrodinger’s virus, you either have it or you don’t have it. Testing can confirm it, but if you’ve been around the confirmed infected, it’s vastly safer to society that you go watch Netflix and chill for a couple of weeks, regardless of whether you ever get tested or feel sick.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:40 pmThree different headlines in one evening for the same article in the NYTimes…….
Democrats Block Action On $1.8 Trillion Stimulus
Democrats Block Action On Stimulus Plan, Seeking Worker Protections
Partisan Divide Threatens Deal On Rescue Bill
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1241900585634299904?s=20
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They should just run it by the DNC beforehand and ask if it contains to much winning.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:41 pm__
“ Just to be clear, Romney is NOT sick. He’s in isolation ”
Trump’s comment was crass and childish but if he meant that Romney being isolated would impede his ability to cause trouble as he did during impeachment it’s at least is not as bad as implying he’s glad he might get sick.
Just thinking out loud, not looking to get banned. I promise I didn’t find it funny.
harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:47 pmActually it isn’t.
That’s not true. If he ever resigns or takes his own life, I will praise him effusively. If he ever acknowledges his errors and transgressions, and makes a sincere attempt to do better, I will not only praise him, I’ll contribute the legal maximum to his re-election campaign and wear a KAG hat for the rest of my life.
But anyway you think he deserves credit for (according to you) saying we should hope an untested drug will prove effective?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:53 pm“By race/ethnicity, 5,916 White, 771 Black and 11,735 Asian students out of total 36,032 are attending at University of California-Irvine.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:53 pmI wish Trump would self-isolate for a couple of weeks. I hear the Thule Air Base is beautiful this time of year.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 7:54 pmI do not believe Trump was sincere for the reasons I gave in comment 216. I know you read it because you reprinted part of it in comment 271, although I am not sure you understood it because you said “Just to be clear, Romney is NOT sick.” I know that, which is why I said he “might get sick.”
DRJ (15874d) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:00 pmI honestly do believe that Trump is a “Palomino” person. That’s how he gets his jollies. He mouths off to get a spanking and gets off on the spanking.
Case in point, he goes on Twitter and calls Pelosi “Nasty Nancy” and “Crazy Nancy”. Pelosi puts on the six-inch stiletto lace-ups and takes up the whip. Afterwards, they lie back in post-orgasmic lassitude and spend another two or three trillion dollars of our children’s money.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:08 pmStudents from outside the US aren’t counted as part of a race or ethnicity, though – they are counted as “International”.
There are about 7000 International students, and most of them are from Asia, bringing the total Asian-American + Asian (international) up to around 50%, as I said.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:09 pmReasons why Biden has disappeared…
https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-22-at-19.56.25.png
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:13 pmNow I have to go find my travel Ambien and take 23 to erase that from ever seeding as a memory. My brain is officially broken over the visual.
Thanks…
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:13 pm280… you can get the breakdown online. IIRC, there are close to 5,000 students from China attending UCI. The numbers are high throughout the UC system.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:15 pmHas Illinois legalized recreational use of cannabis?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:17 pmThere are about 7000 International students,
at a California-taxpayer built and maintained public university. We have something like that U of I, too.
The academic racket really has gone off the rails.
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:18 pmAs of Jan. 1.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:19 pm*at* U of I
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:19 pmyou should show a little more respect for the lifestyle choices of our president who learned the art of the deal the hard way on fifth avenue
hes under a lot of stress and didnt even get to go golfing this weekend
under those circumstances a man does what he has to do
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:24 pmThat’s what I quoted.
They pay three times the tuition and fees that California residents do.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:33 pmMine was found online and quoted.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:35 pmThat’s not true. If he ever resigns or takes his own life I will praise him effusively.
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harkin (b64479) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:36 pmBut incomplete.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:40 pmAll … about … the … Benjamins. The U of I President gets a base! annual salary of $835,000. How much is yours slopping up?
nk (1d9030) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:40 pmThe President of UC, Janet Napolitano, receives a gross salary of $578K/yr. That number is from 2017, at which time she was the 379th highest paid employee in the system (I imagine there are a lot of M.D.’s at the top). The highest paid of all are the football and basketball coaches at UCLA and Berkeley.
Napolitano is stepping down this year, and they are (or were…) conducting a search for her replacement.
UC Irvine’s Chancellor (the head of the campus) Howard Gillman was hired in 2014 at $485K/yr.
The out-going dean of our Law School, Erwin Chemerinsky, was making about $420K/yr. He’s getting about 3% at Berkeley, his next stop.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 8:58 pm3% *more*
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 9:00 pmNo, there’s plenty of complete info out there…
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-california-irvine/student-life/international/#modalCN
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-california-irvine/student-life/international/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/22/2020 @ 9:54 pmOf course there is.
But what you originally posted (suggesting that UCI has ~1/3 Asian students instead of ~1/2) was incomplete and therefore inaccurate, because you left out the international students from Asia.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 10:04 pmFrom the South China Morning Post (Hong Kong):
Coronavirus: fireworks in Wuhan as checkpoints are taken down, other cities in China ease controls
Another interesting article from the same source:
A third of coronavirus cases may be ‘silent carriers’, classified Chinese data suggests
This article contains the information, which I had not seen previously, that in China they do not count someone who tests positive as a confirmed case unless they also have symptoms. Such asymptomatic positives are/were quarantined, however.
In the US, you do not even get tested unless you have symptoms (or are a celebrity/professional athlete…)
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:18 pmUh-oh…
Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’
Here’s the whole interview.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/22/2020 @ 11:32 pmScience comes through for us again. Bigly.
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/
Dave (1bb933) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:08 amA good summary of this was made by some business reporter on CNN; global markets perceive the government as chasing this problem and not getting out in front of it. And as long as they do and keep attempting to neuralize it by throwing outdated solutions on the table [hello, Mitch] derived from previous economic meltdowns, the numbers will keep tanking.
The Trump Administration ‘task force’ needs to revisit Apollo 13.
Get President TV a DVD PDQ. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:27 amNigeria records chloroquine poisoning after Trump endorses it for coronavirus treatment
You have to feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to give credence to Donald Trump’s words, much less stake their life on them.
Dave (1bb933) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:03 amYou have to feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to give credence to Donald Trump’s words, much less stake their life on them.
A Trumpkin said to the universe: “Sir, I am an idiot!” “However,” replied the universe, “the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation.”
nk (1d9030) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:02 amIt looks like “Shoot on sight” orders may be necessary:
Crowds packed California beaches despite shelter in place order
Dave (1bb933) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:19 amI am worried about Sammy. He commented yesterday morning. I hope he stays safe.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:57 amIn 2018, approximately 4616 Chinese students attended UCI.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:09 amASIANS 58% OF UC IRVINE
rawing primarily from nearby Asian population centers in affluent Orange and L.A. counties, UC Irvine’s student body boasts over twice as many Asian as white students. A combined graduate and undergraduate student population of 17,165 makes UC Irvine the fourth largest of the 9-campus UC system after UCLA, UC Berkeley and UCSD, but its Asian population of about 9,600 (factoring in 1,999 racially undeclared students) puts it a close third to UCLA and UC Berkeley as a contender for Top Asian American University.
The undergraduate portion of UCI’s student population totals 14,197, of which 8,079 are declared Asians and 3,060 are declared Whites. 1,143 are undeclared. Allocating the undeclared proportionately among the declared groups adds 670 to the Asian population and 280 to the white population. That makes 61% of the undergraduate student body Asians, with Whites only 23% — easily the smallest white percentage among the nation’s top 25 universities . The Asian population divides among Chinese 32%, Coreans 18%, Filipino, 16%, Vietnamese 13%, Japanese 6%, with 15% comprising Indian, Pakistani and other Asian categories.
UC Irvine is the only UC campus where Asians outnumber Whites even in the graduate division. The combined student population of 17,165 is 58% Asian and 28% White. Current admissions trends suggest the Asian percentage will continue rising to about 61% for the combined population before leveling off. Given the rate at which UC Irvine has been growing in the heart of Orange County’s most affluent section, UCI may end up with the Top Asian American University title in 3-5 years.
https://goldsea.com/AAU/irvine.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:23 amAfter concerns raised by U.S. senators and others about allegations of censorship by TikTok on behalf of the Chinese government, the company has formed a team to address community concerns.
The team is made almost completely of American university employees and professors.
https://campusreform.org/?ID=14575
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:31 amSo indispensable, very needed, much beneficial. And our government is wasting precious resources researching antivirals.
nk (1d9030) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:49 amYou see Jonathan Chait quoted/linked here every so often. This is an example of what a douchebag he is:
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has an advantage McConnell lacks. She can pass a bill through her chamber
without any votes from the opposing party. McConnell cannot — his Senate bills need 60 votes. McConnell is trying to depict his bill as the only alternative, pressuring Democrats to support it. But Pelosi can turn this trick back on McConnell easily by passing a Democratic bill and demanding he do the same. It is odd she has yet to exert this source of leverage, instead waiting for McConnell’s Senate to take the lead.
It is imperative that [Democrats] offer good-faith proposals to alleviate the economic emergency, rather than hoping to tank the economy and profit from the ruin.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-stimulus-slush-fund-trump-bailout-corporations-senate.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:52 amSo a Chinese company is hiring Americans.
And the problem is …?
Dave (1bb933) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:54 amThey are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
Of course, CNN (like the currently moderated Munroe) is portraying mere presence at the beach as a defiance of the order, which it isn’t. What is in defiance of the order is people congregating the way that you see in the photos at the link. There is nothing wrong with going to the beach and staying 10 feet plus away from everyone else — and indeed many of the people in the photo are doing just that. But plenty clearly are not. Perhaps the congregating people are from the same families and are already living in the same household, but probably not all of them.
I just know this is going to cost me my ability to go to the beach.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/23/2020 @ 8:05 amIt could just be because our parks aren’t quite as compelling as your California parks, but, from what I’ve seen, NY city parks have been responsibly used so far. It will be annoying to say the least if reckless yahoos keep the rest of us fr being able to enjoy the outdoors, and get the health benefits of vitamin D along with its natural co-factors, during this hard time.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/23/2020 @ 8:12 amTo be fair, this argues for a good faith and reasonable basis for his offending comment, even if he was wrong and you, much more sophisticated in interpreting laws, are correct.
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/23/2020 @ 8:14 amI mean, where do most people get their information about what they are supposed to do and what they are to expect others to do during this crisis but the media?
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/23/2020 @ 8:16 am