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3/2/2020

And Then There Were — uh — However Many Are Still Left

Filed under: General — JVW @ 12:07 pm



[guest post by JVW]

Senator Amy Klobuchar has joined former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg in ending her candidacy for the Democrat nomination as President. According to Fox News, she plans to endorse Joe Biden in what is now shaping up to be a Stop Bernie movement among the non-socialist elements of the party. Alexandria Descanctis at National Review Online writes that the Boy Mayor also considered immediately endorsing the former Vice President, but instead issued a typically-weaselly call for party unity, probably because he still has dreams of a cabinet position in a possible Sanders Administration.

Among Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Tom Steyer supporters there are likely millions of Super Tuesday votes that are now wasted by people who voted early. These days more and more states go to early voting arrangements; some precincts in Los Angeles have been collecting votes for tomorrow’s primary election for the past week. But just as you should never place a bet on a sporting event until the starting lineups have been announced, so too should you consider holding off on voting until you know which candidates are still in it to win it.

Everything is being set up quite nicely for My Little Aloha Sweetie to emerge as the compromise candidate among the deeply divided Dems.

– JVW

129 Responses to “And Then There Were — uh — However Many Are Still Left”

  1. Still hoping to be able to write the political obituary of Lieawatha on Wednesday.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. I actually heard a Tom STeyer radio commercial this AM.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  3. Both Amy & Mayor Pete to endorse Plagiarist JoeyBee at rally tonight.

    A more hobbled, crippled candidate you will not find in decades: could not win his only ever presidential primary victory after three runs over nearly 40 years w/o the Clyburn endorsement; desperate for cash; relentlessly gaff prone and wholly dishonest spinner of tales.

    Biden is the very kind of old school politician that gave rise to Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. DCSCA

    I am just curious.

    Did Biden
    1) cuckold you
    2) steal your life savings
    3) call you nasty names at recess back in third grade
    ?

    Because the venomous bitterness you aim at him seems a couple of orders of magnitude beyond what you aim at anyone else.

    Kishnevi (c338bc)

  5. #3

    In 2016, there was no credible anybody but Trump candidate who was more credible than anyone else. That’s much of the reason all the candidates stayed in, and how you got to mainline Schadenfreude. In 2020, Biden has enough of a name and a presence to be the plausible anybody but Bernie candidate. Bloomberg is the only other one with the money and the name recognition to be that guy. And whatever Biden’s failings (and feelings), he seems better at the retail end of things than Mini Mike.

    Y’know, you should worry that you want the election to be between the Left Socialist and the Almost Fascist. I mean, doesn’t that seem awfully Weimar Republic to you?

    Appalled (1a17de)

  6. @4. The truth hurts.

    Plagiarism reveals:

    1. an unprincipled lack of character.
    2. thievery.
    3. laziness.
    4. 1,2,& 3 again, times 10 to the 23rd power.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. @5. I mean, doesn’t that seem awfully Weimar Republic to you?

    No; more like 1932 USA.

    And Ronald Reagan voted for FDR—- four times.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. It’s so Weimar.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  9. 3 stooges gone warren told to stay in to stop bernie by corporate establishment. Evedently they prefer 2016 to bernie. Someone should tell them what a phyrric victory is.

    corona virus (78ea99)

  10. DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/2/2020 @ 12:36 pm

    Lack of character, thievery, laziness apply to just about all of them.

    Kishnevi (c338bc)

  11. Kids, if things hold steady– for the rest of the week, anyway– the youngest candidate in the 2020 presidential race is…

    Donald Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. @10. But not plagiarism.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. “Still hoping to be able to write the political obituary of Lieawatha on Wednesday.”
    JVW (54fd0b) — 3/2/2020 @ 12:07 pm

    Liz dropping out might actually help Bernie.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  14. FDR was no left socialist. And Trump is no Herbert Hoover. (Hoover, actually, was more an Eisenhower type with a reputation earned overseas, stuck in an impossible situation)

    Appalled (1a17de)

  15. We have the situation where there is nobody running for president who under the age of 70. What did they say in the 1960s? “Don’t trust anybody under 70” Maybe not, but here we are. This is like Japan maybe. Maybe not so bad.

    Maybe this is in the best place to post this: The next Democratic presidential debate is scheduled for Sunday March 15, but if there are only two candidates left then, it might not take place because then it would be easy for one of the candidates to beg off.

    The DNC didn’t plan past March 15.

    Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b)

  16. Liz dropping out might [would] actually help Bernie.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  17. Elizabeth Warren was telling her people on Sunday that the only way for her to get the nomination was a brokered convention.

    (Actually more likely is a brokered pre-convention period)

    Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b)

  18. Bernie Sanders Raised $46 Million in February, a Record – NYT.com

    The $46.5 million haul is by far the largest of any 2020 candidate in any single month but not far from what Mr. Sanders raised four years ago in February in his campaign against Hillary Clinton.

    And remember, these are small dollar contributors, not the deep-pockets crowd. This should tell you something about the state of mind of the young– and what’s left of the screwed and shrinking middle class electorate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. @14.FDR was no left socialist.

    ROFLMAOPIP. You’d do well to revisit the press and his critics of the era– and never, ever rant against Social Security again. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. FDR was no left socialist.

    He was a communist and supporter thereof.

    Why do you think the United States allied with communists against dedicated anti-communists?

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  21. Among Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Tom Steyer supporters there are likely millions of Super Tuesday votes that are now wasted by people who voted early.

    I appreciate the sentiment, but really, Klobuchar and Steyer always had an infinitesimal chance, so any vote for them was a protest vote, or at least the voter should have realized that. Same goes, to a lesser extent, for, Buttigieg, who was always a long shot, albeit slightly less so than the other two.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  22. #19.

    The only thing truly socialist out of FDR was TVA.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  23. He was a communist and supporter thereof.

    I love when you publish silly, easily refuted nonsense.

    FDR was certainly a Collectivist, but he was not given to any ideology. He was less ideological than TR or Wilson, but he did flirt with fascist economics until the war (Churchill briefly did, too).

    He was for BIG GOVERNMENT central planning like your man-crush. But he was not a Communist.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  24. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/2/2020 @ 1:25 pm

    It mattered less what FDR was and more who he surrounded himself with, such as people like Harry Hopkins and Alger Hiss,— and the leftist judges he appointed, deciding case law we’re still saddled with. We’ll get much the same when your man crush Biden gets in.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  25. And this is breaking:

    Federal Judge Orders Clinton to Sit for Deposition on Use of Private Email Account

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/federal-judge-orders-clinton-to-sit-for-deposition-on-use-of-private-email-account/

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  26. I won’t vote for any Deemocrat for any state or national office. I am certainly no admirer of Biden.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  27. Nice (re: last two comments).

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  28. I appreciate the sentiment, but really, Klobuchar and Steyer always had an infinitesimal chance, so any vote for them was a protest vote, or at least the voter should have realized that.

    In most years, sure. But think of the extraordinary circumstances this election:
    * Sanders had a heart attack a mere five months ago, and one more of those could be the end of his campaign
    * Biden keeps demonstrating that his mind is slipping at an alarming rate
    * Bloomberg is absolutely hated by a huge segment of the party base
    * Warren turns out to be highly distrusted by everyone outside of the faculty lounge, press room, or nonprofit foundation office

    This, as much as any year in my lifetime, is when you want to stay in and try to peak when your opponents fall.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  29. R.I.P. James Lipton

    Curtain down; fade to black.

    _____

    R.I.P. Jack Welch

    Disputing global warming doesn’t mean much when you assume room temperature.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. I put up a few pictures in the past but I think they are no longer available.

    http://www.tinypic.com

    TinyPic Has Ceased Operations

    Due to an inability to support a high-quality free digital service that derives 100% of its revenue from ever declining on-site revenues, TinyPic has shut down its operations. As previously announced on this website, September 16, 2019 was the last day for our users to access their accounts to download their images.

    It is related to Photobucket but Photobucket charges a fee.

    Anyway the old links will no longer work. The pictures were screenshots of documents, some Benghazi emails.

    If you rely on the cloud for anything, it can disappear. They launched launched back in April 2004 but I only used it (occasionally. for posting) much later..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  31. If the no-hope 2016 GOP candidates had shown as much wisdom and statesmanship as the Dem also-rans have just done, they would have flushed Trump back down the sewer where he belongs.

    Dave (b1bec7)

  32. Buttigieg is a plagiarist, too– so why not endorse one as well, eh, Plagiarist Pete:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5THvznJNS8

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. @32

    Buttigieg is a plagiarist, too– so why not endorse one as well, eh, Plagiarist Pete:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5THvznJNS8

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/2/2020 @ 2:23 pm

    Gotta have something in common… 😉

    whembly (51f28e)

  34. Sexually assaulting women and then bragging about it to strangers is apparently a minor indiscretion to DCSCA, compared to the unforgivable sin of repeating another politician’s anecdote without proper attribution…

    Dave (b1bec7)

  35. If the no-hope 2016 GOP candidates had shown as much wisdom and statesmanship as the Dem also-rans have just done, they would have flushed Trump back down the sewer where he belongs.

    These Democrat jamokes didn’t effectively drop out of the race before Super Tuesday, as their names still appear on the ballots and their advertisements still flood the airwaves and mailboxes. Super Tuesday four years ago was the point where it was pretty well established that Trump was for real and had the inside track on the nomination, so today’s Dem situation isn’t that much different than what the GOP faced last time around. And just like Cruz and Kasich soldiered on through the spring in the hopes that Trump would eff it all up somewhere along the way, so too does it appear that Biden, Bloomberg, and perhaps even Warren will do the same in case Sanders appears at a rally in military fatigues and smoking a cigar.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  36. Rubio quit in 2016 just because he lost Florida, and shouldn’t have: Kasich stayed in because he won Ohio but that had no effect on other states.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  37. R.I.P. James Lipton

    Icy (6abb50)

  38. All I want is a nice no rules no holds barred cage match at the DNC primary to break the DNC into pieces with some snacks, soda and pop corn followed by a Trump win in November 2020.

    Let them fight – Dr Ishiro Serizawa

    Orders -> Small pop corn extra butter, Sno Caps Candy, Mexican Soda, and Comfy chair please – Me

    Sandra (308808)

  39. Everything is being set up quite nicely for My Little Aloha Sweetie to emerge as the compromise candidate among the deeply divided Dems.

    Yup. Totally.

    nk (1d9030)

  40. DCSCA will appreciate this: The Spectator version for U.S. audiences has an article about Dinosaur Joe, which is pretty funny. The writer asks some important questions:

    Would you ask Joe Biden to reverse-park a minivan in a crowded schoolyard?

    If Joe Biden was a guest in your kitchen, would you feel it advisable to ask him to climb up a stepladder and remove a tin of baked beans from a high cupboard?

    There are endless possibilities to expanding this fun game. Would you trust Joe to pick up fifteen-year-old Noah at Hill High School at 2:25 and then deliver him to his violin lesson three miles away by 2:45, then get thirteen-year-old Emma from Mulberry Middle School at 2:50, swing over to Elmgrove Elementary to pick up ten-year old Skylar at 3:05, then drop Emma off at gymnastics practice by 3:15 and have Skylar at her dental appointment by 3:30, being on time to pick up Noah from violin at 3:55, getting Skylar from the dentist at 4:05, fetching Emma from Gymnastics at 4:45 and delivering them all home safely by the time you get home from work? Yeah, me neither. But this guy thinks he has what it takes to be President.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  41. AND THEN THERE WERE

    Six little Indians playing with a hive;
    A bumblebee stung one and then there were Five.

    nk (1d9030)

  42. Dow Jones up by 900 points, today. Thank you, South Carolina! You too, Pete and Amy.

    nk (1d9030)

  43. BREAKING NEWS— Chris Matthews abruptly retires on air from ‘Hardball’ after ‘talks’ with MSNBC.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Biden could have been President had he run four years ago. His mental faculties were on a higher level then, and he was more likable than Hillary, whom Trump barely beat.

    Timing is everything.

    norcal (a5428a)

  45. The guy signs on, says goodbye– and quit.

    5 minutes.

    Wholly unprofessional azzhole.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. Chris Matthews Out at MSNBC

    Mr. Matthews’s show, “Hardball,” has been on the air since 1997.

    Chris Matthews, the veteran political anchor and voluble host of the long-running MSNBC talk show “Hardball,” resigned his position at the network on Monday night, an abrupt departure from a television perch that made him a fixture of politics and media over the past quarter century.

    Mr. Matthews, 74, has faced mounting criticism in recent days over a spate of embarrassing on-air moments, including a comparison of Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign to the Nazi invasion of France and an interview with Senator Elizabeth Warren in which the anchor was criticized for a condescending and disbelieving tone.

    On Saturday, the journalist Laura Bassett published an article on the website of GQ magazine describing a series of episodes where, she wrote, Mr. Matthews made inappropriate comments about her appearance in the makeup room of his studio before she was a guest on his program. – source, NY Times

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. I could not be more devastated if I had heard that Dahlonega, Georgia will no longer allow opposite side of the street parking between 2:00 am and 6:00 am, DCSCA.

    nk (1d9030)

  48. My condolences, nk. That does sound seriously life-impacting.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  49. Now this is almost as interesting. Trump finally got his daughter’s endorsement: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/us/politics/ivanka-trump-republican.html

    nk (1d9030)

  50. @40. Bless you, JVW.

    The old fart has won just one presidential primary -ONE- and that only with the help of Clyburn’s endorsment-in three separate presidential runs over nearly 40 years.

    So, kids, what were you doing in 1972?

    Never forget:

    Plagiarist JoeyBee was elected to the U.S. Senate a month before the last Apollo moon shot was launched in December, 1972 with three, healthy young astronauts aboard. Two are now dead.

    Plagiarist JoeyBee was elected to the U.S. Senate a year before the Polaroid SX-70, now a museum piece, was first sold nationally in 1973 and three years before the Sony Betamax home video recorder, now a highly collectable antique, was first sold nationally in 1975– as well as the Pet Rock, a popular gift for the holidays, was in the stores for 1975.

    Some other ancient tidbits from the ‘Esoteric Era’ where ‘Dinosaur Joe’ bones can be dug up:

    Cost of Living 1972:

    Yearly Inflation Rate USA 3.27%
    Yearly Inflation Rate UK 6.4%
    Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 1020
    Average Cost of new house $27,550.00
    Average Income per year $11,800.00
    Average Monthly Rent $165.00
    Cost of a gallon of Gas 55 cents
    Roxanne Ladies Swimsuit $30.00
    Kodak Pocket Camera $28.00
    Wrangler Jeans $12.00
    Ladies Timex Watch From $30.00

    Average House Price 7,374
    Gallon of gasoline 0.35
    Ford Pinto $2,078
    Barbie Doll Designer Collection From $2.85
    Frisbee 94 cents
    Ladies Stylish Over the Knee Boot $22.97
    Ladies Deirdra Wig $20.00
    Ladies Front Slit Dress $18.00
    Classic Cook Center $474.95
    White Contemporary Dinette Set $282.95
    Hellmanns Mayonnaise $1.39
    Fresh Strawberries Lb 31 cents
    Ground Beef Lb 98 cents
    Fruit Cocktail Can 20 cents

    He has had brain surgery; he has had hair transplants; at times displays emotionally instability and his relentlessly failing memory warps his political stories into endless streams of near incomprehensible gaffs. And nearly all the colleagues he boasts he ‘cut deals’ with– John McCain, Ted Kennedy… Fritz Hollings, etc…. are dead.

    He missed his chance at the brass ring as a sitting VP by not challenging HRC in 2016.

    Now, he is too damned old to lead the United States into the second quarter of the 21st century.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. @47. Not even a tingle up your leg??? 😉

    You don’t walk off your show abruptly on air, live, like that.

    He ain’t no Jack Parr.

    He left them to fill air for 55 minutes.

    Incredibly vindictive and wholly unprofessional– and unforgivable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. BREAKING: Plagiarist Pete endorsing Plagiarist Joe at Texas rally; Fire-plug Amy to follow.

    And what’s Joe’s first two ‘Butt’-kissing words— “Folks… folks…’

    ‘He reminds me of my son Beau…”

    Dead. And gay, JoeyBee????????

    Here’s the deal:

    You’re an idiot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Biden could have been President had he run four years ago. His mental faculties were on a higher level then, and he was more likable than Hillary, whom Trump barely beat.

    It would have been very interesting. I think that there was a great deal of Obama fatigue that year, including among progressives, and even though Obama himself was pretty popular among Democrats and personally popular overall, I think Biden would have had a hard time carving out his own identity. And what really doomed him, I believe, is that the Democrats were bound and determined to follow-up on the First Halfrican-American President (TM) with the First Female President (TM) and no past-his-prime white dude was going to be allowed to get in the way.

    But what really would have been interesting to see is if in a three-way race among Clinton, Biden, and Sanders if the campaign of the angry old Marxist wouldn’t have been pretty much exactly where it is today, only four years earlier. Again, gender politics would have dictated that Biden step aside to let Hillary run in the establishment lane.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  54. I’m sick and tired of Joe Biden poor mouthing Americans on how little he was worth and paid in 1972, too.

    A senator’s salary was $42,000 in 1972. That is equivalent in purchasing power to about $259,205.31 in 2020.

    He was not poor.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. O.M.G.

    Beto O’Rourke endorses Biden,too?!

    Remember him?

    Not much.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. @53. He didn’t have the guts– or the balls, to challenge Clinton.

    She had ’em.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. I hope that rational-thinking conservatives don’t suddenly start to stan* Chris Matthews just because his little hissy-fit might have slightly inconvenienced MSNBC. Matthews has always, always been a Grade-A horse’s ass and this classless move is the fitting capstone to his embarrassingly wretched media career. He came up through the sleazy Democrat urban machine ranks under the tutelage of a grossly overrated politician who was nothing more than a drunken ward-heeler who oozed his way to the leadership of the party, and Matthews himself spent the end of his career shilling for a political party that had come to hate half of what he once stood for and to have nothing but contempt for people in his demographics. Good riddance to him.

    (* that’s a word the kids taught me)

    JVW (54fd0b)

  58. Biden could have been President had he run four years ago. His mental faculties were on a higher level then, and he was more likable than Hillary, whom Trump barely beat.

    I predicted Trump would win early in the primaries once I saw him debate. I also said Joe Biden would have beat him in the general, because both appealed to blue collar rustbelt workers (that Trump edged Hillary out on to win it).

    Now? Nah. Put a fork in him. Trump would cream him.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  59. O.M.G.

    Beto O’Rourke endorses Biden,too?!

    Interesting. So clearly Robbie O’R has determined that there is no future trying to be a super-wokedy-woke progressive in Texas, so he’s back to trying to be a moderate Democrat again. I really would have bet that he would endorse Comrade Sanders.

    It’s too late for him to enter the Senate race against John Cronyn, isn’t it? This move just strikes me as curious.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  60. @59. It’s ‘bandwagoning’– he needs a gig and if Biden lives, gets the nom and wins [DHYB] he’ll be America’s new secretary of Mexican Jumping Beans- pending Senate approval, of course. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. @57. I will never forget the night he was doing election coverage w/Olberman and proudly boasted he and Keith were the next new “Huntley and Brinkley.”

    I nearly choked on my pizza.

    My meals always digest better when he is not on my TV screen.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. This isn’t so much a pro-Biden push as a stop-Bernie effort.

    ‘Here’s the deal’: Young Trump [and he is the youngest of the candidates in the mix as of today] will wipe the floor easily w/Biden– w/Bernie, he’d just have to shout louder– but then, it’ll be Brooklyn-born vs., Queens-born.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. @60 secretary of Mexican Jumping Beans

    LOL!

    norcal (a5428a)

  64. He has had brain surgery; he has had hair transplants

    Good odds one of those things causes the other: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/02/20/founder-hair-club-men-dies-78/4824915002/

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  65. mr. president trump, who does not worry about the corona virus because he drinks tecate, does not wipe floors

    he has janitors for that

    from slovenia

    nk (1d9030)

  66. @53 And what really doomed him, I believe, is that the Democrats were bound and determined to follow-up on the First Halfrican-American President (TM) with the First Female President (TM) and no past-his-prime white dude was going to be allowed to get in the way.

    Good point, JVW. Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

    I forgot that in 2016 it was Hillary’s “turn”.

    norcal (a5428a)

  67. Norcal, you get the Ed McMahon “You are correct, sir” trophy.

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  68. @ 67 Does that mean I’ll have a better shot at some of the Publishers Clearing House money?

    norcal (a5428a)

  69. I did hope Robert Francis would have at least made it to Illinois’ primary 2 weeks from now…if only so I could repurpose the lawn signs from this local crusade

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  70. @57. My guess is once the non-compete elements of any contracts are cleared, MSNBC will hire Shep Smith for a Matthews-styled gig.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. I was going to vote burnee tomorrow, because lieawatha.
    But, yesterday I met a conservative running for state committeeman that is worth my vote. So once again I will ask for a rino ballot. One has to understand rino govna charlie “brown” wants to double our gas tax. Crickets from the ma. republican party, its laughable. They won’t even question how his groper son is getting a way with a crime that would jail us proud deplorables.

    mg (8cbc69)

  72. @46 Good. He’s impossible to watch and all he does is yell at his guests. Now all the guys from that era have moved on except Hannity (who should also feel free to get off of our TVs and live his life as a private person.)

    @66 Also, Biden’s son had just died. That’ll take a lot out of a person.

    Nic (896fdf)

  73. old people should be in florida, not on television

    except walter brennan

    he’s timeless

    nk (1d9030)

  74. @72. Then he’s not tough enough to be president.

    The gig requires him to possibly send other ‘folks’ kids off to die.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. @73. Buddy Ebsen and Andy Griffith, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. The number of worms crawling out of the woodwork, propping up Biden with just one primary win, is simply unreal. Can’t remember a more hobbled, crippled presidential candidate in the modern times limping into Super Tuesday.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. End early voting.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  78. limping into Super Tuesday.

    He won’t be limping out. Then in July, Bernie has a heart attack and Biden and Trump have strokes.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  79. Can’t remember a more hobbled, crippled presidential candidate in the modern times limping into Super Tuesday.
    DCSCA (797bc0) —3/2/2020 @ 6:33 pm

    — In 1992, Bill Clinton won 3 of 15 contests prior to Super Tuesday.

    Icy (6abb50)

  80. @79. On his first president run— which is two more than Biden has ever won in three runs over nearly 40 years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Can’t remember a more hobbled, crippled presidential candidate in the modern times limping into Super Tuesday.
    DCSCA (797bc0) —3/2/2020 @ 6:33 pm

    Listen, I don’t speak in judgment… I’m very biased myself, but you are extremely biased, practically to the point of absurdity. Biden has more actual votes right now than any other candidate. He’s the front runner, pretty clearly. He was the VP for a popular president. He is old and weird. But he’s running against Trump and Sanders, who are supremely weird and have internet mobs that annoy everybody.

    No doubt, this is a poor slate. We will once again have a crappy choice. Out of hundreds of millions, with many great leaders, this nation’s political process is absolutely screwed up to give us these options. These aren’t worthy choices and we should be calling for massive sweeping changes. As if Hillary v Trump wasn’t proof already.

    But Biden’s a better option than Sanders. You have your favorite and can’t see this, but Biden’s also probably more popular than Sanders. You’re going to have to make another choice, and I imagine your choice will be to laugh as Trump wins again. I can’t blame you. The democratic party isn’t all that useful to the left, if you really think about it. But it’s your choice and I am curious what you would do in a Biden v Trump scenario.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  82. End early voting.

    Is personal choice, comrade. Too many citizens already not vote at all. Is how we get barmaids in Congress.

    nk (1d9030)

  83. amy getting beat in her own loon star state
    lieawatha losing in her territory
    field of dreams

    mg (8cbc69)

  84. No matter what point of the compass you come from, Joe Biden is a very,very bad man from a very, very small state:

    Joe Biden: 20 Things You Probably Didn’t Know

    http://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/joe-biden-twenty-things-you-probably-didnt-know

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. @78 Warren and Pence fight it out? An actual Democrat and an actual Republican? Fair.

    Nic (896fdf)

  86. Besides, the presidential candidates are not the only ones running. The votes for the down ticket are not “wasted”.

    nk (1d9030)

  87. Amen to that, Nic!

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  88. @81. Wrong. Sanders is the front runner. For God’s sake, Biden has won just one primary in three runs over nearly 40 years– and only w/Clyburn’s help.

    See #84.

    From my POV,I have no ‘favorites’– I can’t lose-as long as the modern ideological conservative movement keeps getting neutered. But Biden is very bad. He’s exactly the kind of old school politician who created the climate for Trump to begin with. I see Trump as a mere transient. I know Biden as just plain bad. His record says it all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. mg, your like the “mush” of the states you set foot in… please do an RV tour of Big Ten country in the fall

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  90. My hope is to keep the counter-culture marginalized and the Matriarchy behind the throne.

    nk (1d9030)

  91. DCSCA’s point that Biden’s not doing well is somewhat undercut by the fact that Biden is the popular vote leader in his party. We know you like Sanders… and he is doing pretty well (though he seems to be a fading star in an aging and somewhat lost political movement).

    Remember, those early weirdo primaries like Iowa don’t mean anything. They are a manipulative strategy to help those little states. Texas and California and New York should just go ahead and have their primaries on the same day as Iowa to have a laugh. More ideally, the parties should just do regional primaries that rotate four or five regions systematically.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  92. @82. Yeah but all these twits dropping out literally hours before the polls open on primary day is a total shaft job to voters– and not just to the ones who voted early and hve sent $ in support. It’s these kind of party games that piss off voters, drive people out of the parties and create the climate for renegades like Trump– or Sanders– to take root and rise.

    Remember the Nixon adage; if you see an organized effort to stop X — bet on X.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. @91.It’s meaningless: only the delegate count matters. See what the numbers are after tomorrow night. Today, Bidenwas endorsed by a bunch of quitters and losers who simple don’t matter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. Dustin, remember that DCSCA wants Trump to win. So naturally he wants the candidate most likely to lose in November and hates the candidate who might beat Trump.

    Or else Biden really did call him nasty names during recess back in grade school.

    Kishnevi (c338bc)

  95. @91. We know you like Sanders… and he is doing pretty well (though he seems to be a fading star in an aging and somewhat lost political movement).

    No, you don’t know that at all.

    You do know I voted for Trump in the California primary and every Dem down ballot as it was posted on an earlier thread. As long as that ideological conservative movement keeps getting boxed up and shoved back in Goldwater’s attic, I can’t lose. Judges are a cheap price to pay-as the ones appointed for life, for the mot part, owe nothing to the ideologues who get them into the gig and tend to be loyal to the law they trained for. There are easier ways to spin policy. They’re safe in a secure job until they retire– or die.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Dustin, remember that DCSCA wants Trump to win. So naturally he wants the candidate most likely to lose in November and hates the candidate who might beat Trump.

    Or else Biden really did call him nasty names during recess back in grade school.

    Kishnevi (c338bc) — 3/2/2020 @ 8:30 pm

    I can see it that way. Certainly a lot of Trump fans are actually voting for Sanders. DCSCA, care to discuss?

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  97. There are several good things about this:

    1. It will annoy Bernie Bros. Berie Babes, and Liz Bruenig.
    2. It reduces the likelihood that the president in 2021 will be completely inconsistent with our way of life.

    Time123 (b53270)

  98. DCSCA, the sole thing Sanders has going for him is that he would disrupt and damage the democrats in the ways Trump has harmed his party. Sanders is consistently and totally ineffective at… everything. He’s an ideal politician then. A lifetime of telling us what we’re doing wrong, but not ever managing to do anything that helps.

    Sanders is objectively a fading star. He’s doing more poorly than he did in his failed 2016 campaign (for all your talk of Biden losing… you do know Sanders lost too right?). Sanders is doing more poorly than Biden, the front runner. The guy the opponents are dropping out to endorse. It’s not a good thing. I’m not glad. Biden is a joke and an indictment on our process, just as Trump and Sanders are. But the moment is Bidens and it’s a matter of whether he can keep it. Sanders, like Trump, is the candidate that’s interesting to cover. But he’s not going to be the actual candidate.

    You’re probably right about the conservative movement. Sanders is promising socialism and free stuff we can’t afford. No one wants to balance any budgets. People will tell you it’s a bad idea, lol. Limitations on power? All branches fight for more. But pendulums swing. It’s going to be interesting seeing if the old men of today really do know it all about the future. The old men of yesterday rarely did.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  99. I think JVW is right that Biden is mentally unfit for the office. However, speaking ability on camera isn’t much of a metric for decision making in private. I imagine Biden would adopt a mix of advisors from previous administrations, like Obama did. Bob Gates, etc. It would actually be an improvement.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  100. @94. None of these weenies are going to beat Trump– who is literally the youngest candidate running as of today. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is DNC 101. For goodness sake, he beat impeachment just a month ago.

    This show ends when Melania finds him face down between two melting scoops of Dolly Madison vanilla on a slice of wedge of warm cherry pie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. …Trump has harmed his party

    Who says he has harmed his party?

    Welcome to 1964.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. @98.It doesn’t matter if Sanders is a fading star or goes supernova– all that matters is the delegate count.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. There are several good things about this:

    1. It will annoy Bernie Bros. Berie Babes, and Liz Bruenig.
    2. It reduces the likelihood that the president in 2021 will be completely inconsistent with our way of life.

    Time123 (b53270) — 3/2/2020 @ 8:40 pm

    I agree. Resistance is victory.

    nk (1d9030)

  104. I imagine Biden would adopt a mix of advisors from previous administrations, like Obama did. Bob Gates, etc. It would actually be an improvement.

    The best case scenario is that Biden would attract some honest stand-up people who want to serve their country and try to help even out a lot of the division that has emerged in the past few generations.

    The worst case scenario is that Biden would attract a bunch of washed-up time-servers with nothing to offer but the desire to feather their own nests by scratching each other’s backs and doing things the same way they have been done since Kennedy was assassinated.

    I think the latter scenario is unfortunately slightly more likely than the former.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  105. 100, I dont think those are literal food terms, amirite? I can only imagine the glass shattering scream, especially if Melania didnt “serve dessert” herself.

    urbanleftbehind (b12931)

  106. 99.I think JVW is right that Biden is mentally unfit for the office. However, speaking ability on camera isn’t much of a metric for decision making in private.

    If you can’t form a sentence you can’t convey a thought. Even Stephen Hawking managed a way to do that. His reaction to his son’s death alone, albeit understandable for a reasonable period, is a massive tell.

    He’s emotionally unstable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. . . . Trump– who is literally the youngest candidate running as of today.

    Uh, Lieawatha and My Little Aloha Sweetie would beg to differ.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  108. A progressive think tank worked out that Sanders has proposed $53 trillion in new spending over the next ten years, roughly doubling current government outlays as a fraction of GDP. And that is conservative, in that they adopt Sanders’ estimates for how much things will cost in many cases (Medicare for All, where there are semi-serious independent estimates, being an exception). He has proposed new taxes to pay for about half of that.

    I think we have to give him credit for trying to outdo Trump’s “I’ll eliminate the $20T national debt in eight years without cutting the military, entitlements or raising taxes” on the crazy-meter, but let’s face it – it’s a lot easier to spend money than to save it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  109. The best case scenario is that Biden would attract some honest stand-up people who want to serve their country and try to help even out a lot of the division that has emerged in the past few generations.

    Like bankers? LOL See #84.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. @108.It doesn’t matter what a goofy, corporate and special interests funded think tank extrapolates what Bernie or Biden or Putin proposes as long as the House remains w/t Dems an the GOP holds the Senat

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. @107. Oops. Well, call me sexist and take away my MSNBC cable show. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. . . . but let’s face it – it’s a lot easier to spend money than to save it.

    Yeah. I remember hearing a Clinton Democrat Congressman or Senator (can’t remember which one) years ago on one of those interview shows rather fatuously insisting that “raising taxes is the hardest vote that you can ask a member of Congress to make.” Even in my callow 20s I remember thinking to myself that it was a whole hell of a lot easier than asking a Congressman to vote to cut spending.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  113. I can see it that way. Certainly a lot of Trump fans are actually voting for Sanders. DCSCA, care to discuss?

    Well, it’s really only a matter of who you believe he’ll have an easier time beating. Seems to me they’re equally easy targets; he’ll will wipe the floor w/Grandpa Simpson– but w/Bernie, he’d just have to shout louder– but then, it’ll be an entertaining Brooklyn-born vs., Queens-born brawl. Bernie is better at staying on hard messaging– the debates reinforced that. Biden wanders w/platitudes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. @113 Can I be honest here? I know you hate Biden, but I think, at this point, there are a lot of Americans who are willing to vote “Less yelling and drama”. The amount of crazy in the last 3 years has been exhausting and I don’t think most people really want another 4 years of it, whether the source is left or right.

    Nic (896fdf)

  115. @114. Well, Dallas got old after three episodes, too. JR Ewing, the man every one loved or loved to hate, kept it going for 12 seasons–but he didn’t get impeached– just shot, and survived.

    Never forget that in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed- they wish to be entertained.

    And Trump knows it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. Ukraine Joe appears to be unstable.

    mg (8cbc69)

  117. Joe seems like a man who should be walking a mall somewhere. Not the guy to take on Trump. When he says “beat him like a drum” I cringe, cause you know even he doesn’t believe it.

    JRH (52aed3)

  118. @104. He’s a bought and paid for, four decade old swamp creature who is comfortable with other swamp creatures and precisely the kind of political monster that spawned the rise of Trump and Trumpism.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. @78. He might sleep in– he’s waiting for Super Thursday.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. I saw Bloomberg on the FNC town hall. He certainly seems sharper and more thoughtful than Uncle Joe.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  121. So, I overestimated Buttigieg’s chances (and probably Bloomberg’s as well) and underestimated Joe’s chances, it looks like.

    If Joe beats Bernie, I wonder what the swing voters will think about the Democrat candidate for President being insane.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  122. 112. JVW (54fd0b) — 3/2/2020 @ 9:08 pm

    Even in my callow 20s I remember thinking to myself that it was a whole hell of a lot easier than asking a Congressman to vote to cut spending.

    Oh, they never do that. So it’s not in the universe of votes.

    Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b)

  123. Is pipe dream, comrades. Is like put hog in potato cellar and say “Go on diet, now.”

    nk (1d9030)

  124. 84.

    1. Draft deferments: Typical for educated people of his generation – and probably motivated the acceptance of North Vietnamese propaganda that they were in the right because not to do so got the rejoinder that they should go and volunteer to fight. Ending the draft permitted more support for national defense, although a lot has lingered.

    2. Busing: Reversal of position in direction of common sense is a point in his favor. That he supported “forced busing” in the first place may be a function of what political organizations he belonged to. Biden did not revive his arguments against it this year.

    3. Abortion: Typical for Democrats. Even though they would apply that kind of thinking to few if any other moral issues.

    4. Supreme Court: He was committed to vote against Bork, but tried to make opposition to him more rational and more honest, at least so long as it didn’t get him into trouble. He deserves credit for the effort. It is appoint in his favor that maybe he didn’t believe some of the things he was saying. He also made some effort to protect Clarence Thomas.

    5 & 6. Crime: Sort of a good point, but it also shows he was not thinking. And it also shows some phoniness.

    7. Gulf War I: His pacifism was caused by the Vietnam War. The argument quoted at least does not argue that Saddam Hussein was not evil. Bill Clinton;s success on getting the nomination in 1992 based in part on the (false) claim that he had supported the Gulf War, motivated his reversal in 2002.

    8. Iran after 9/11: Biden believes that aggressors can be bought off, apparently.

    9. Patriot Act: Claiming he supported it in 1994 (which might even be close to the truth) is both is an indication it was a lot of off-the=shelf proposals and that sometimes he likes to appear tough, if it can be defended.

    10. Opposition to bombing al-Qaeda and the Taliban after 9.11: An echo of anti-Vietnam War propaganda, which he had accepted years before. Bombing was supposed to be counterproductive. All bombing.

    11. Support for overthrowing Saddam Hussein y a military attack, starting in 1988: The question is why did he then oppose Gulf War I? Politics? Or that too many of the troops were American? Or that he had no confidence n the war fighting ability of the United States (based on Vietnam ad possibly the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988 and thought it would be a stalemate and that tens of thousands of troops would be killed? Maybe in 1988 he wanted Iran to defeat Iraq?

    12. Raid on Osama bin Laden: Biden opposed it, based on fears either that it would start a wider war or that it wouldn’t work and would just get U.S. soldiers killed. Source is not clear. Also told a ridiculous lie about his reason (that it would make Obama look better if he opposed it)

    13. Strom Thurmond: It’s known that Joe Biden liked him, because of his longevity, which he hoped to emulate. Gave an eulogy that said that Strom Thurmond was better than other segregationists because he didn’t fight to the bitter end and probably secretly welcomed the civil rights revolution (Strom Thurmond did have a secret black illegitimate daughter whom he was at least a little fond of so that’s probably true, although that doesn’t say much for Strom Thurmond’s political honesty. But then, that’s never mattered extremely much to Joe Biden.)

    14. Strom Thurmond 2: At the funeral in 2003, Joe Biden tells a story of half being the hero in around 1989 or 1990, by being present when Strom was accosted by someone who had some kind of a personal argument with him. It wasn’t necessary for anyone to fight because Strom Thurmond scared off the person who hated him by immediately doing 25 pushups (at the age of 89 or so) while Joe Biden was holding his coat.

    15. 2005 Bankruptcy bill: Pro credit card company bankruptcy bill possibly influenced by ties with MBNA.

    16. Biden on differences between students: Nothing wrong with that, except it assumes that schools in DC are doing the best they could be expected to do. Differences between student populations matter most when the teachers are not a factor. They used to be able to educate children of uneducated parents. And his explanation of what is going on is wrong.

    17. The vice presidency: It probably was true in 2007 that Joe Biden ruled it out. And in fact h initially turned away the offer.

    18. Shylock: Used the word. Maybe he heard it growing up and it was his way of trying to sound “authentic.” In the 1920s (it would be) the United States was called “Uncle Shylock” for wanting to collect World War I debts. Use of the word Orient and wise in connection with the long time ruler of Singapore is also Joe Biden buying into stereotypes or pretending to.

    19. Ron Klain: This shows bad judgement in hiring someone. Hs first chief of staff as vice president, Ron Klain, apparently played an almost undercover role in getting Joe Biden not to run in 2015. Did he first argue that Biden had more time to decide, and then that it was too late?

    20. Critical of Hillary’s 2016 campaign. The only problem with this is that this does not put his finger on what was wrong with Hillary: Honesty and ethics. Maybe Joe Biden knew better?

    19.

    11.

    Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b)

  125. In what way do the policies of Biden and Sanders actually differ? Or is it only the rate of the decline?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  126. Can I be honest here? I know you hate Biden, but I think, at this point, there are a lot of Americans who are willing to vote “Less yelling and drama”. The amount of crazy in the last 3 years has been exhausting and I don’t think most people really want another 4 years of it, whether the source is left or right.

    Nic (896fdf) — 3/2/2020 @ 10:08 pm

    Then you should have supported Ted Cruz.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  127. . . . Trump– who is literally the youngest candidate running as of today

    That’s supposed to go “youngest male candidate running for a major party nomination for president.”

    But this could be correct as of Thursday, except that Tulsi Gabbard might continue. and the same thing goes for Bill Weld. Neither is serious, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  128. The latest polls post-South Carolina show a substantial shift in favor of Biden. That’s more an indication of an anti-Sanders shift in the Democratic party. The major donors, power brokers and super-delegates do not want to nominate Sanders. They didn’t in 2016, and they won’t in 2020.

    That’s why Buttigieg and Klobuchar ended their campaigns over the weekend, and both endorsed Biden. Word got ought through back channels that he would be the inevitable nominee at the convention. Steyer ended his campaign as well, because he came to the realization that he didn’t have any support and was just wasting his money, but he hasn’t endorsed anyone yet (not that it would matter if he did). Bloomberg hasn’t come to the same realization and obviously doesn’t mind wasting his money. Warren is wasting her time and money, in the desperate hope that she can make it to a contested convention and pull a Hillary, which is not going to happen. She will out by the end of the week, as will Gabbard.

    So, really it’s a two-man race between Sanders and Biden. I don’t see how Sanders can win in Florida–the Cuban Americans will turn out in droves to vote against him, because of his previous praise for Castro. Texas and the other states are in play as well. Biden will take a substantial delegate count away from Sanders, and that’s all he needs to do. Enter into a contested convention, and the nomination is his.

    The reason why you’re seeing these television ads and hearing these radio ads from candidates who are no longer in the race is because that advertising space and those ads were bought and paid for months ago. They can’t be cancelled at the last minute, just because the candidate drops out. Networks and channels have no way of filling ad space or commercial time in such short notice. So the ads will run, because they were already paid for. Don’t blame the networks and channels for that. Blame the campaigns, for entering into contracts they couldn’t fulfill. The ads were bought and paid for, and will be aired, even though the candidate now is no longer in the race. Hey, he or she entered into a contract months ago, and so the ads will be aired. That is the cost of commercial and air time to a campaign.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  129. it’ll be an entertaining Brooklyn-born vs., Queens-born brawl. Bernie is better at staying on hard messaging– the debates reinforced that. Biden wanders w/platitudes.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/2/2020 @ 9:50 pm

    I actually agree. Sanders v Trump would be incredibly entertaining. Biden debating is just an exercise in patience. I don’t think I’d even watch.

    But then we have to pay for everyone’s student loans.

    he’ll will wipe the floor w/Grandpa Simpson

    I don’t even know who you mean. Trump is old and at least a little mentally unwell and rambling. biden is also, for sure. Sanders… he’s old and silly, but maybe a little sharper. Bloomberg licks his fingers before getting seconds so eff him. Really they are all quite aged if we’re really going for the young virile leader. Makes Obama look great!

    Dustin (33f5ee)


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