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2/29/2020

Biden Destroys Sanders in South Carolina Primary

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:04 pm



Relative sanity has a chance tonight:

Former Vice President Joe Biden decisively won the South Carolina Democratic primary on Saturday, claiming his first victory of the 2020 race and giving a crucial boost to his struggling campaign ahead of Super Tuesday.

The victory tracked with polls indicating that Biden, buoyed by support among black voters, had a significant lead in the state for months over Sen. Bernie Sanders and others, despite the surging Vermont senator beginning to close the gap after early primary wins that rocketed him to front-runner status. Fox News projects Sanders will finish second, followed by wealthy progressive activist Tom Steyer — who ended his campaign within hours of polls closing.

Tonight’s delegate count:

The Bernie juggernaut still looks to be scary on Super Tuesday, especially in my home state of Leftistfornia. I’ll be voting in the Democrat primary for Joe Biden.

And I don’t really like Joe Biden.

UPDATE: New York Times:

Mr. Biden, the former vice president, captured just under 50 percent of the vote, well ahead of Mr. Sanders, who had 20 percent. Tom Steyer, the California billionaire, was a distant third, followed by Pete Buttigieg and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. The victory enabled Mr. Biden to significantly narrow Mr. Sanders’s pledged delegate lead, but he did not appear poised to overtake him.

Biden is not to be discounted.

71 Responses to “Biden Destroys Sanders in South Carolina Primary”


  1. JJames604
    @joseph604
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    All of those Bernie bros was saying nothing when Bernie won those low populated all white states and when the media was writing Biden off before the race had even started. They were happy. Now they are eating sour grapes because Bernie lost and lost big. The losing will continue.
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    WMJ
    @wmj1019
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    You sound like you believe what the media is spoon-feeding you. The old vote and old black vote is why Joe did so well in South Carolina. If the black vote in SC is so strong then how come Obama lost there twice in the general election? There’s no answer. SC is a red state.

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    harkin (b64479)

  2. UPDATE: New York Times:

    Mr. Biden, the former vice president, captured just under 50 percent of the vote, well ahead of Mr. Sanders, who had 20 percent. Tom Steyer, the California billionaire, was a distant third, followed by Pete Buttigieg and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. The victory enabled Mr. Biden to significantly narrow Mr. Sanders’s pledged delegate lead, but he did not appear poised to overtake him.

    Biden is not to be discounted.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. Here’s what Real Clear Politics has for poll averages for Super Tuesday:

    CALIFORNIA
    Sanders – 35.3
    Warren – 17.0
    Biden – 11.0
    Bloomberg – 10.0
    Buttigieg – 9.7
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 1.5

    TEXAS
    Sanders – 28.3
    Biden – 20.3
    Bloomberg – 19.7
    Warren – 13.0
    Buttigieg – 7.7
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 0.7

    NORTH CAROLINA
    Biden – 25.0
    Sanders – 22.0
    Bloomberg – 17.0
    Warren – 11.0
    Buttigieg – 7.7
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 1.0

    VIRGINIA
    Sanders – 25.0
    Bloomberg – 19.5
    Biden – 18.5
    Buttigieg – 11.5
    Warren – 11.0
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 1.0

    MINNESOTA
    Klobuchar – 28
    Sanders – 22
    Warren – 13.5
    Biden – 8.5
    Buttigieg – 6.5
    Bloomberg – 6.0
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 2.5

    It seems to me that Slow Joe absolutely needs Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg to drop out of the race immediately after Super Tuesday if he has any chance. But as thing stand now, Granite State Gramsci is going to do extremely well on Tuesday, especially if he beats Biden in North Carolina and Klobuchar in Minnesota.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  4. Former Vice President Joe Biden decisively won the South Carolina Democratic primary on Saturday, claiming his first victory of the 2020 race and giving a crucial boost to his struggling campaign ahead of Super Tuesday.

    This is the first presidential primary, Plagiarist JoeyBee has ever won. And he has run for president three times since the mid-1980’s [though much earlier in the 1970s, standing before mirrors in his home.] He was expected to win it; a self-proclaimed ‘firewall’w/60% of the black vote. Whiter Iowa, NH and Nevada voters clearly rejected him. Unfortunately for Plagiarist Joe, the majority of the American electorate is white.

    Biden is not to be discounted.

    Yes, he is; already bayonetted by his own key endorser: Clyburn says the Biden campaign needs ‘retooling.’ : nytimes. This, just 72 hours before Super Tuesday.

    “That’s quite a stab, from old flab.” – Chester Babcock [Bob Hope] ‘The Road To Hong Kong’ 1962

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. It seems to me that Slow Joe absolutely needs Buttigieg.

    Two plagiarists on one ticket? Not likely. The delegate count will tell the tale after Super Tuesday. Poll projections in California have Bernie taking them all– and lots of people have voted leady. Texas looks ripe for picking, too.

    In my case, following my strategy of neutering the modern conservative movement, my ballot was cast for Trump –and every Democrat down ballot.

    Glorious times!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. Here’s a couple more:

    COLORADO
    Sanders – 30.5
    Warren – 17.5
    Buttigieg – 13.0
    Bloomberg – 12.5
    Biden – 10.5
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 1.0

    MASSACHUSETTS
    Sanders – 24.7
    Warren – 20.7
    Buttigieg – 13.3
    Bloomberg – 11.7
    Biden – 10.7
    Little Aloha Sweetie – 2.0

    Maybe it’s Biden who needs to make way for a better “moderate” candidate.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  7. Maybe it’s Biden who needs to make way for a better “moderate” candidate.

    Every one he mentions he has worked with in his speeches– is dead. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Amy’s toast; Pete and Liz are in it ’til the $ runs out- the scent of delegate counts for a VP spot makes for a good incentive. Capitalist Bloomberg is going to run interference against Socialist Sanders no matter what. Any delegates he can buy along the way help. In for a penny, in for half-a-billion. Likely w/Steyer will help along the way.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330)
    @JoeBiden
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    The press counted us out.

    The pundits declared our campaign dead.

    But we proved them wrong.
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    Bill Russo
    @BillR

    Never, ever count @JoeBiden out.
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    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze

    This is his first primary win in 35 years and 3 campaigns for President.
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    Punk Rock Paul Harvey
    @EdPetyak
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    He’s 77 and has been running for President for 45 years. This is his first victory, all while he’s so old he thinks he’s running for Congress.

    I think it’s safe to count Dementia Joe out and let him retire.
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    b Burke
    @ekrub2211
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    I’ll only add that he’s running against a 78 year old communist who had a heart attack 2 months ago, a mayor who is like 12 yrs old, and a screaming banshee who just figured out she isn’t Native American Jeez I would hope he could win at least one primary.
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    Freddy_Mittens
    @FMittes
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    With the entire DNC and MSM In his back it is really impressive he was able to win a race. Tuesday will be fun and we get to see who has a real grassroots movement.
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    harkin (b64479)

  10. I’ll be voting in the Democrat primary for Joe Biden.

    You could always write in “Donald Trump.”

    (runs and hides)

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  11. It seems to me that Slow Joe absolutely needs Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg to drop out of the race immediately after Super Tuesday if he has any chance

    Klobuchar will, Bloomberg probably not. I wonder what Buttigieg’s long-term plans are. He *might* decided it’s time to get out and wait for 2024 or 2028, having made his mark. He’s missed the cutoff for the governor’s race, but there are Senate races in 2022 and 2024.

    Of course, Cruz and Kasich split the opposition to Trump until it was all over in 2016. It was quite some time before Trump was winning majorities (and he did not get a majority of votes until he was unopposed). Bernie may get the same break.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. When Klobuchar drops out, having come in 6th most places, she probably endorses Biden.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  13. Birnie leading in california, texas, massachuetts, oklahoma, vermont, maine colorado, minnesota and utah. others tossups. Media will hype biden as they hyped hellbot.

    corona virus (1ee31f)

  14. I have always liked Biden personally but he, like Trump, often fails to finish a sentence. A President should be able to do that. My high standards.

    noel (4d3313)

  15. I acknowledge that we all cut sentences short in texts and conversations today but these guys seem to lose their thoughts halfway through their statements.

    noel (4d3313)

  16. Mr. Biden, the former vice president, captured just under 50 percent of the vote, well ahead of Mr. Sanders, who had 20 percent

    This is a greater lead than anyone had expected. The strongest poll was showing Biden at 36% and Bernie Sanders at 16%.

    Steyer had no campaign outside of South Carolina.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  17. Biden is proposing tax increases double those Clinton proposed in 2016, which is why I doubt he’ll do as well in the upcoming primaries. Plus, Obama has yet to endorse him, and one has to wonder why.

    Still, this was an impressive victory, his first ever. That should attract a lot of big money donors to his campaign, because most Democrats don’t want Sanders to win, as evidenced at the last convention.

    I really don’t understand the appeal of Sanders, or Warren for that matter. Buttigieg doesn’t have a chance, any more than Klobuchar, even though she seems the most sensible of the lot. Steyer is out. Bloomberg is dead in the water–hundreds of millions on television ads, and not one delegate to show for it–but hey if he wants to keep wasting his money . . .

    I suspect most of the latter will exit stage left in the next few weeks, because they’ll run out of funds and won’t have enough delegates to making the convention with any chance of winning the nomination.

    So, most likely it will come down to a two-man race between Sanders and Biden, with neither having the sufficient majority to secure the nomination at a brokered convention. At that point, the super-delegates will step in and vote against Sanders, just like they did the last time around. They may elevate Biden, or they may choose to elect someone else, a moderate Democratic governor for example, who didn’t even run in the primaries. They can do that, you know.

    Yeah, the Democratic convention is often plagued with in-fighting and sometimes riots, as we has seen time after time over the decades. 1968, anyone?

    Trump is running unopposed in the Republican primaries, except for one or two no-name candidates who don’t have a chance. So there’s no point in participating in them, since several states won’t bother to hold one. The Republican convention will be nothing more than a Trump rally.

    Then there’s the Libertarians, the only third party with ballots in all fifty states. Theirs is a strange convention. Anyone can announce their candidacy three weeks prior to the convention–it’s a free-for-all. Currently, there are four candidates in the running, and all of them oppose Amash’s entrance into the race. They don’t want to support another Republican-lite candidate, they say, which is sad. If Amash declared as a Libertarian and entered the race, he’d probably get more votes than any Libertarian in history.

    Not that he would win the general election or the electoral college, but that he’d put a severe cramp in the race. However, at this time, that does not appear to be his intention. He seems determined to win his congressional district as an Independent, with an eye toward declaring as an Independent or a Libertarian in 2024.

    Either way, unlike Patterico, I will not be voting for any Democrat at the state or federal level. I also will not be voting for any Trumpublican at the state or federal level. That leaves me with the Libertarian, whoever it is.

    I suppose I could ask for a paper ballot and write in the candidate of my choice, but that’s too much of a hassle.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  18. Tom Elliott
    @tomselliott
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    At the end of his interview w/ Chris Wallace, Joe Biden boasts that he’s not “sleepy,” then thanks “Chuck” for the questions

    “It’s Chris, but anyway.”

    “No, I just did Chuck. I tell you what, man, these are back-to-back, anyway, I don’t know how you do it early in the AM”
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    Tim Alberta
    @TimAlberta
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    I would say Elizabeth Warren is the Marco Rubio of this cycle in terms of media hype not translating into votes

    Except Rubio topped 20% in 3 of the first 4 states while barraged with attacks/ads by opponents … and Warren can’t even hit double digits while untouched by rivals
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    Josh Kraushaar
    @HotlineJosh

    CNN’s @jeffzeleny reports that Bidenworld WANTS Warren and Klobuchar to stay in the race so they can deny Bernie a haul of delegates in MN/MA.

    Delegate math, boys and girls.
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    Bernie Sanders
    @BernieSanders

    Billionaires should not exist.
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    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29
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    Funny thing about this is Sanders used to regularly attack millionaires in his tweets. In 1974, he told a local newspaper that “nobody should earn more than $1 million”

    Then he became a millionaire and his attacks suddenly started to only focus on “billionaires”.
    __ _

    PJ Media
    @PJMedia_com
    ·
    Facebook Fact-Checkers Admit Trump Never Said Coronavirus Was ‘a Hoax’

    _

    harkin (b64479)

  19. I acknowledge that we all cut sentences short in texts and conversations today but these guys seem to lose their thoughts halfway through their statements.

    In fairness, it’s pretty easy to lose that which is so tiny and inconsequential.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  20. Well. Congratulations are in order for Joe Biden on successfully running for the Senate seat in South Carolina.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/joe-biden-says-hes-a-candidate-for-us-senate-in-latest-gaffe/

    Bored Lawyer (56c962)

  21. Bernie is the opposite of me in every respect. Even if I were a lefty I’d probably despise him. He wouldn’t insist on regulating public universities to lower costs… he would instead promise to forgive every student loan (money used for lifestyle more than education in many cases). He’s a crook on a scale the other candidates aren’t.

    Bloomberg … meh.

    Biden irritates me on a visceral level. Just such a fake.

    But hey, I dislike basically all politicians. I’m glad Biden has a little new life breathed into him. I think after super tuesday we’ll see just how far Bloomberg’s money has gone. Hopefully either Biden or Bloomberg drops and endorses the other soon. It’s the most likely way to shut Trump down, which is so important in this atmosphere of propaganda and Russian influence on our democracy.

    We will see so much energy directed towards proping Sanders up, from the same guys screeching their ‘chaos’ support means nevertrumpers would rather vote Sanders than Trump. Honestly, if they do it, nevertrumpers will really be tempted to go ahead and live down to that.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  22. but these guys seem to lose their thoughts halfway through their statements.

    That’s a generous way to look at it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  23. money used for lifestyle more than education in many cases

    Well, it certainly would be, if it was going to be forgiven. I still feel guilty about the way I used Dad’s credit card at college.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. If Amash declared as a Libertarian and entered the race, he’d probably get more votes than any Libertarian in history.

    The LP motto should be: “Electing Democrats since 1971″

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. NBC states Biden got 61% of the black vote in Sc. He’ll get the same percentages in the rest of the country so it looks like he’s going to capture a huge amount of delegates in the South on Super Tuesday. Bernie isn’t anymore popular with black voters than he was in 2016, when Hillary cleaned his clock.

    The question then becomes, what happens if Biden takes the lead in delegates after the March Primaries? The obvious path is that the other candidates – except Bernie – drop out and endorse slow Joe, and the Establishment figures also start endorsing Biden and putting pressure on Bernie to concede. Maybe the Big Guy, Obama, will put the nail in Bernie’s coffin.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  26. Libertarians are irrelevant. Notice they are almost always well-to-do white people, who feel nothing much is at stake. So, they go off an play their game and vote “Libertarian”. What’s even more absurd is they’ll vote for people who aren’t even Libertarian. How were Johnson and Weld libertarian?

    Its impossible to take them seriously. And without the LIberal MSM constantly talking them up, they’d be forgotten.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  27. They should also call this years version of Super Tuesday the I-40 primary. A spry candidate in a pre-early voting era would be tempted to barnstorm the length of this road from Saturday night in the Carolinas to California on Tuesday morning.

    urbanleftbehind (043a09)

  28. Libertarians could carry a Renaissance Faire, and that’s about it.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  29. Too him 32 years, but he finally won a primary.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  30. Took*

    NJRob (4d595c)

  31. Bernie isn’t anymore popular with black voters than he was in 2016, when Hillary cleaned his clock.

    I think that’s generally right, though there are indications that black voters under age 35 are far more open to Comrade Candidate’s nonsense than their elders are.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  32. 12 hours after his win, speaking w/Chris Wallace:

    “… thanks a lot, Chuck.”

    Idiot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Black History Month is over; a two-term black president is in the books; Harris and Booker quit, being rejected in the primaries already.

    Enough already: ‘As of July 2016, White Americans are the racial majority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, comprising an estimated 12.7% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans are the largest ethnic minority, comprising an estimated 17.8% of the population. The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation’s total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%.’ – source, wikiracebait

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Bloomie has bought three minutes of network air time tonight;

    “Hello, I’m not a president but I play one on TeeVee…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Princess Running Bare has gone full nasty, vowing a convention fight.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  36. Bernie isn’t anymore popular with black voters than he was in 2016, when Hillary cleaned his clock.

    But he’s popular, or well organized, with Hispanics.

    There is a large black, not so urban population in North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama and Virginia. California and Texas (and also maybe Virginia) have large Hispanic populations

    Nate Silver projects Bernie to get 43% of the delegates at stake on Tuesday, but actually nobody can tell.

    In a CNN poll, Bernie Sanders is at 35% in California, with Elizabeth Warren a distant second at 14%, and at 29% in Texas, with Joe Biden at 20% and Bloomberg at 18%. The only state a poll has shown Bloomberg on top is Arkansas. (Maybe Oklahoma, too? In 2016 Sanders won it as conservatives tried to stop Hillary) He is at 12% in California.

    Sanders uis also favored in Vermont (of course) Colorado and Utah. And the odds are better than 505-0 he will get more votes than Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts. That leaves Maine and probably as New Hampshire goes, so goes Maine.

    Amy Klobuchar is hoping to get a win in Minnesota. Otherwise it will be Bernie Sanders.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  37. How were Johnson and Weld libertarian?

    The idea was to make the LP relevant rather than just a fringe party. Didn’t work. While there is probably a need for a Tea Party-like center-lib party, there is no open niche in the two-party system (and no, Trump is not center-lib).

    On the other hand, Trump’s election ended the “Sixth Party System” which started with Reagan and featured bipartisan agreement on trade, foreign policy and deregulation, mild disagreements on fiscal policies and large differences on social and cultural issues.

    What will replace it will have to wait until Trump’s perturbation shakes out.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. “Hello, I’m not a president but I play one on TeeVee…”

    So, kind of like your guy Trump?

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. Biden will do better in CA than polls say. Warren was seen as the not-Bernie candidate and now that’s Biden after SC. Californians are, if anything, easily swayed by the newest new thing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. @38. Check your score card, Dave:- he is the president.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. #36: Nate Silver has Biden second in CA at 21% with a 1 in 12 chance of beating Bernie. Warren is third and sinking.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  42. I’d really like to think Biden might have a chance against Trump in the general, but he has lost his fastball and lost a step. Trump by comparison will be firing on all cylinders. I think Trump is going to eat him alive, and it’s not going to be pretty.

    JRH (52aed3)

  43. Nate shows Biden with a good chance to pick up[ a lot of wins on Tuesday. Except for Minnesota, only Biden and Bernie have a chance to win anything.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  44. 39.Biden will do better in CA than polls say.

    Doubt it. He has just one office in CA. And hasn’t been to the state in ages. And a helluva lot of people in CA have voted already making firewall-mut-win-SC irrelevant. There are 14 states holding primaries in 48 hours. Plagiarist JoeyBee is gonna feel the Bern of the hard truth PDQ. The pumps on the Titanic had more going for them. He’ll be out by Easter and try to play kingmaker w/any delegate leverage.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. “Hello, I’m not a president but I play one on TeeVee…”

    So, kind of like your guy Trump?

    So petty. It’s not even a good insult.

    Make America Ordered Again (0eda74)

  46. The clock is ticking to Super Tuesday.

    So where is Plagiarist JoeyBee today??? Not California; he’s in Selma, Alabama.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. So, I took the Post’s new improved Democrat candidate agreement test. Since it is hard to always give good anwwers (hint: Democrats), I chose the most whack-a-doodle answers in each case.

    Out of 20 questions, the Bozo index for each:

    Warren 16
    Bernie 15
    Buttigieg 7
    Klobuchar 6
    Aloha Sweetie 5
    Bloomberg 4
    Biden 3

    Not terribly surprising. He agrees with a carbon tax, the Trans-Pacific trade deal and federally-paid abortions, and punts on nuclear power and immigration.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. Plagiarist JoeyBee will be off to Virginia, too. Again, courting the black vote nd getting Terry’s kiss-of-death endorsement.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. He = Biden

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. Biden will win NC, VA, TN, AL, AR, OK and may win TX (neck and neck with Sanders).

    Sanders will win CA, MS, CO, UT, ME and VT.

    Klobuchar will win her home state of MN.

    Bllomberg has a chance in OK and AK.

    It’s a tight race of American Samoa’s 3 delegates.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. * Bloomberg has a chance in OK and AR.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  52. How is that medicare for looking now! The last time we had a major pandemic that was treated by free market capitalism in 1917 was influenza. 30,000,000 million died. Sick poor and illegals will infect their kids because they can’t afford medical treatment. Their kids will infect your kids in school who will infect you. Free market capitalism in action. How many more outbreaks reported by media since I started typing this?

    corona virus (4cb064)

  53. Having “free” healthcare provided by the state sure has helped China conquer the virus, hasn’t it perry?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  54. What explains MS being for Sanders as opposed to being a Biden briar patch? I mean their D primary is like the cheap seats at an Atlanta Hawks game, moreso than South Carolina.

    urbanleftbehind (043a09)

  55. If the virus, as mg intonated, was self-stricture aimed at disabling dissent in a restive territory, might a vaccine/antidote already be in possession of the the PLA (in case you still had to get up in the soup and crack skulls)?

    urbanleftbehind (043a09)

  56. Biden will win NC, VA, TN, AL, AR, OK and may win TX (neck and neck with Sanders).

    That seems overly optimistic. If I had to place bets, I would have Sanders winning NC, VA, and TX. I think the real interesting question is whether Sanders takes more than half of the delegates at stake on Tuesday. If he does, that momentum may be unstoppable.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  57. What explains MS being for Sanders as opposed to being a Biden briar patch?

    The polls probably over-sampled Democrats in Oxford and Starkville.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  58. @55 People reported being re-infected with virus. Experts worry about a weaponized virus doing this. Looks like someone for got to wash his hands at the wuhan weapons laboratory and then when to the bat food market.

    corona virus (4cb064)

  59. “I’d really like to think Biden might have a chance against Trump in the general, but he has lost his fastball and lost a step.”
    JRH (52aed3) — 3/1/2020 @ 12:14 pm

    How do you lose a fastball you didn’t have even in ‘88?

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  60. How do you lose a fastball you didn’t have even in ‘88?

    Biden’s a junkball pitcher who had a half-knuckler, half-slider that was sometimes adequate to get certain batters out in certain situations, but was hammered around the ballpark by anyone who could put the ball in play in at least two-thirds of his at-bats. But now his knuckle/slider doesn’t knuckle or slide, and the only way he can get outs is if the batter lines out straight to an infielder or hits a warning-track fly ball.

    My God, I am so ready for baseball season to begin.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  61. 53. JVW (54fd0b) — 3/1/2020 @ 1:07 pm

    Having “free” healthcare provided by the state sure has helped China conquer the virus, hasn’t it?

    In China all healthcare except for coronovirus has disappeared, even for pregnant women, except that paid for privately.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/business/coronavirus-china-pregnant.html

    There is no functioning primary care system in China, where coverage can be limited and there is already a shortage of doctors. Pregnant women must find a hospital that offers maternity services and register to give birth there. Some pregnant women have registered at hospitals that have since been turned into virus centers. Those who can afford it consider shelling out thousands of dollars to give birth in a private hospital instead.

    Those who cannot afford it are at the mercy of public hospitals, most of which are severely understaffed.

    Of course China isn’t really socialist. It’s ruled by a giant tong (criminal gang) called the Communist Party. Deng Xiaoping once said as much. (in some interview I remember reading. Maybe this is a slight misquote)

    As for Cuba’s free health care (and we’ll leave out improving infant mortality statistics by romoting abortion and not recording some births )

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-cuba-is-a-land-of-extreme-deprivation-11582910965

    I’ve been to Cuba twice with my church, which has been organizing trips for almost 20 years. It’s astonishing some people still cling to a romanticized version of Cuban life under communism. It bears no resemblance to reality.

    On these visits, in 2006 and 2007, my fellow travelers and I brought two suitcases, one for our clothes and another for the things we gave away to Cuban churches and our translators. We loaded up on basic medications, especially prenatal vitamins and children’s Tylenol, which Cuban children would otherwise go without.

    We bought dozens of pairs of inexpensive reading glasses—the kind Americans can find at the pharmacy for a couple of dollars. Older Cubans sometimes cried when I gave them these glasses, which restored their ability to read.

    I can’t say I conducted a study of the Cuban health-care system, but I’ll go out on limb and suggest that people who don’t have children’s Tylenol and cheap reading glasses probably aren’t getting world-class medical care.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  62. Of course China isn’t really socialist. It’s ruled by a giant tong (criminal gang) called the Communist Party.

    Socialist/communist states are always ruled by large criminal gangs, Sammy. You didn’t think the Bolsheviks or the United Socialist Party of Venezuela were debating societies, did you?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  63. Right.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  64. They’re not honest and kill to stay in power and maintain their secrets.

    Lenin needed a few genuine supporters and that’s why there was a little ideology. Stalin screened them out(anybody who actually believed in what they were doing) by switching policies.

    The one thing Communist governments used to adhere to was persecution of religions.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  65. Biden might pick up some votes among people looking for the most formidable challenger to Bernie Sanders.

    Multi-candidate races are greatly affected by polls.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  66. corona virus (4cb064)

    Beware the stupid virus. Or getting reinfected in your case.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  67. I don’t think we have any idea of how Sanders or anyone else will perform on Super Tuesday. Bernie may poll well, but his voters skew very young and they tend to vote less, so it may depend on how the polling was done, but even then it wouldn’t necessarily be reliable.

    Nic (896fdf)

  68. Carla Marinucci
    @cmarinucci
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    New! BREAKING
    @PeteButtigieg to announce he is out of the presidential race, his staff now hearing the news in campaign call, sources tell us.

    harkin (b64479)

  69. After Super Tuesday, it could whittle down to Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg. The Buttigieg news is a little surprising.

    Paul Montagu (ae8832)

  70. I was surprised about Pete leaving so abruptly too. That leaves Bernie, Biden and Bloomberg, essentially. And I doubt Bloomberg has a real shot. Sure hope it’s not Bernie.

    noel (4d3313)


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