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2/27/2020

Trump: Stock Market Down on Fears Democrats Might Win, Even Though I Will Win

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:47 am



Donald Trump says the stock market is going down because it’s possible the Democrats could win, although he thinks he will win, and also if you ask him specifically, it could have something to do with the coronavirus as well:

REPORTER: Thank you Mr. President. You mention the stock market earlier to go back to that to be clear the Dow Jones dropped more than 2000 points this week. Are you suggesting that was overblown? Our financial markets overreacting here?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think the financial markets are very upset when they look at the Democrat candidates standing on that stage making fools out of themselves and they say if we ever have a President like this and there’s always a possibility, it’s an election you know who knows what happens, right? I think we are going to win. I think we are going to win by a lot but when they look at the statements made by the people standing behind those podiums I think that has a huge effect, yeah.

REPORTER: Did it have to do with the coronavirus?

TRUMP: Know, I think it did. I think it did but I think you can add quite a bit of selloff to what they are seeing because they are seeing the potential you know again I think we are going to win. I feel very confident of it. We have done everything and much more than I said we were going to do. You look at what we have done. What we have done is incredible with the tax cuts and regulation cuts and rebuilding our military, taking care of our vets and getting them choice and accountability all of the things we have done protecting our Second Amendment I mean they view that, the Second Amendment they are going to destroy the Second Amendment. When people look at that they say this is not good. So you add that in, I really believe that is a factor but no, this is what we are talking about is the virus, that is what we are talking about. I do believe that–I do believe in terms of CNBC and in terms of FOXBusiness I do believe that that’s a factor, yeah, and I think after I win the election I think the stock market is going to boom like it has never been before just like it did by the way after I won the last election the stock market the day after went up like a rocket ship.

Those dang Democrats are continuing to hammer the stock market. As of this writing it’s down 836 points for the day. That’s more than 3000 points since last Friday. Ouch. I hope you folks are weathering it.

I sold some stocks at the beginning of the year. Not as much as I would have liked to because of concerns about taxes. But of course the lion’s share of our holdings, both in hand and retirement funds, are in stocks — and a tumble like this hurts everyone. Here’s hoping it stops.

In unrelated news, South Carolina might be the last chance to head off the coming Bernie storm. Nate Silver says:

As of early Wednesday afternoon, Biden is at 31.1 percent in our South Carolina polling average, giving him roughly a 10-point lead over Sanders, who is second with 21.4 percent. Tom Steyer is third at 14.6 percent, with everyone else in the single digits. If Sanders was hoping for a post-Nevada bounce, it doesn’t seem to be happening in the Palmetto State. The most recent polls for Biden, which conducted all or some of their interviews after Nevada, actually show him with a larger lead over Sanders than the ones before Nevada. And none of the polls yet account for House Majority Whip James Clyburn’s endorsement of Biden.

Still, 10-point polling leads in the primary are not entirely safe, especially with several days left to go until a state votes.

There are some Trump supporters, like the folks at the hybrid PAC Committee to Defend the President, who clearly consider Biden to be the worst threat to Trump, such that they produced this:

The quotes you hear are from Obama, reading from his book, and of course he is not talking about Biden, but the ad tries to make it seem like he is. Obama’s spokeswoman said: “this despicable ad is straight out of the Republican disinformation playbook, and it’s clearly designed to suppress turnout among minority voters in South Carolina by taking President Obama’s voice out of context and twisting his words to mislead viewers.” She says Obama has called on TV stations to pull the deceptive ad.

If Biden pulls off a win in South Carolina, the Democrats might actually have a real chance to win. Scary news for the Dow Jones!

131 Responses to “Trump: Stock Market Down on Fears Democrats Might Win, Even Though I Will Win”

  1. Yep.

    New Gingrich made this point the other day; he’s a smart cookie.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  2. What you can see above is a wonderful example of the T-rump word salad, with a special dressing of economic stupid and lies.

    Pretty wilted, too…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  3. Maybe coronavirus can save #NeverTrump.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  4. If the virus spread worse than what Trump has been saying, then it’s on Pence. And Democrats, of course.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  5. “ Maybe coronavirus can save #NeverTrump.”
    __ _

    I still feel like most people have no clue how much this virus is going to effect commerce and travel, which will effect most everything to do with everyone.
    __ _

    “I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point,” he said, talking about the booming economy. “And by the way, I’m hoping for it because one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy.”Bill Maher
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    Well, at least it’s for a good cause, right?
    _

    harkin (b64479)

  6. This is where a true leader is needed, not a wanna-be El Duce! Trump’s supposed to be (per his supporters) a take charge guy. In this case is he making sure the screening for health at the airports and borders is up to date, do hospitals have enough equipment for a large respiratory crisis, etc. But by Taking responsibility he becomes the one to take the blame as well as accolades. Not his style

    DirtyJobsGuy (4cfe9e)

  7. As a Libertarian i’m rooting for Biden. Even though he will oppose everything i supposedly stand for, I dislike Trump’s rude behavior and gauche supporters.

    /s/ Megan McArdle

    rcocean (1a839e)

  8. The current Trump attack meme of the week is on the virus. He’s not doing enough! And he cut the budget! And if anything goes wrong he’s to blame!

    That’s current party line being pushed by the DNC-media and Schumer/Pelosi.

    Also, travel bans due to the disease are UnAmerican. If they work, they’re still bad and make us feel icky.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  9. Off topic. One great thing about Trump is he’s ripped the mask off so many fake Libertarians like Megan McArdle. Their “libertarianism” in practice means nothing more than a pose. Bascially a marketing technique to distinguish themselves from the 90% of MSM journalists and pundits who are robot Liberals. They supposedly support less regulation and lower taxes but of course, when given a choice between Trump and someone who opposes that, well so much for their libertarian principles!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  10. In 2018, Trump fired Tom Bossert, whose job as homeland security adviser on the NSC included coordinating the response to global pandemics. Bossert was not replaced. Last year, Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the NSC’s senior director for global health security and biodefense, left the council and was not replaced. Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC’s director for medical and biodefense preparedness, left in May 2018 and was also not replaced.

    In an October op-ed in The Washington Post, national security adviser Robert O’Brien described the Obama National Security Council as having “ballooned to well over 200 staffers,” and he said he intended “to reduce the NSC staff.”

    Said a former senior U.S. official, “For the first time since 9/11, you don’t have someone directly and immediately reporting to the president responsible 24/7 for the major transnational threats we face — terror, cyber, pandemics.”
    ——————————————————————

    Super managing for Mssr. Arte d’Deal…

    That happens to be reality. Which we know bites.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  11. Data point 1
    As of Thursday morning in Shanghai, there were 82,183 cases reported globally and 2,800 deaths, putting the Covid-19 mortality rate of around 3.4%, based on data from Johns Hopkins University.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/02/27/top-10-coronavirus-infected-nations-and-their-mortality-rates/#6a2b25d472a3

    Kishnevi (80558c)

  12. Data point 2
    P&I Mortality

    The percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza is 6.8%, below the epidemic threshold of 7.3%.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

    Kishnevi (80558c)

  13. Trump:

    they [people in the financial markets] view that, the Second Amendment they [the Democrats] are going to destroy the Second Amendment. When people [in general?] look at that they [people who trade stocks??] say this is not good.

    Here Trump is mixing up different ideas.

    Reducing gun sales is not something that would damage the economy (it’s arguable even that it would help if it reduced crime or fear of crime)

    It could affect a few specific stocks (but every single government policy can adversely affect some company, and benefit others) but something like that doesn’t affect stock market averages.

    But this is a campaign issue, particularly for the states of west Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee, and not an economic issue.

    Trump threw in the Second Amendment (a big campaign issue with him) because he’s consciously lying and he’s not thinking fast enough to realize that’s an implausible argument for being a cause of a stock market drop..

    This riff about the Second Amendment and the stock market, is indeed word salad, as Ragspierre says @2, but a lot of this does make sense as an argument. I’m not talking about whether any of this is true, but whether Trump can plausibly argue it. A lot of the rest is semi-plausible at least.

    Trump is saying that, while the odds are heavy that he will win, stocks can still drop in anticipation of the possibility of the election of Bernie Sanders (which according to him I guess, suddenly rose after New Hampshire and the bad performance by Bloomberg last Wednesday so that now he’s the favorite for he Democratic nomination) because you never know what can happen in an election, and Bernie Sanders would be so bad for the economy that stock traders and mutual fund managers are pricing it in.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  14. Jim Roberts
    @nycjim
    ·
    World Health Organization official calls Trump’s comments on US #coronavirus response a “little incoherent.” https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/484895-who-official-calls-trump-comments-on-coronavirus-response-incoherent
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    Seth Mandel
    @SethAMandel
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    That would be the same WHO that let China dictate its initial response?

    _

    harkin (b64479)

  15. 11. China likes to say that now they are more new cases arising outside of China than inside China, and with enough censorship, and retaliation against being contradicted, maybe they can make that stick.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/business/coronavirus-china-pregnant.html

    As the authorities continue to try to contain the outbreak, details about the virus have become even more sparse. Citizen journalists have been silenced. Medical workers have been told not to talk to the media.

    And they expelled 3 Wall street Journal reporters (well, 2 of them; the third is stuck in Wuhan) because a headline appeared of an Op Ed piece saying China was the sick man of asia – and it did refer to coronavirus. Management apologized for the headline. So the government of China does have some hope they can make lies stick or just hide things.

    One thing this article brings out, and it’s been reported elsewhere before, is that any form of medical treatment, except for corona virus, is pretty much unavailable in China, even for pregnant women, unless you have a lot of money to spend. And they’ve stopped routine vaccinations.

    Anyway, the important point is that Chinese factories are probably about 65% to 80% shut down and whatever is still at the ports (some of it made before the Chinese New Year) can’t even be loaded owing to a shortage of workers and containers, and maybe ships too. Companies are afraid to hire people if they have the wrong identity documents – and they just don’t hire new people at all, and don’t have the required masks. (Apple’s contractor is making its own) A few big or important to the government companies get special attention from the government, and they sort of pretend to be at higher levels of production than they are by opening more locations and doing less in each..

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  16. Rush Limbaugh argued this week it was the possibility of Bernie Sanders being elected president (and taking in the Congress with him) that caused the stock market drop and not coronavirus, but I think it is coronovirus and not the virus itself but the measures taken to stop its spread.

    There are going to be virtually no imports coming in from China after the last old stock gets through the pipeline in March or early April. And it’s not going to be over soon, although the Chinese government wants us to think so, because they have a little hoe that at least they can get the doors open again by concealing all the cases in China by May or July and preventing any cases outside of China from being traced to China.

    They also genuinely are not thinking the quarantine could last beyond the fall, but they don’t want businesses to think it could last even that long, because if manufacturers and importers think this will last, till, say September, they’ll make other arrangements for manufacturing things and so even if they get the de facto embargo lifted and trade starts up again they won’t get all the advantage of that.

    They won’t export the same amount because now some of it will be manufactured in Malaysia, Bangladesh, Thailand, India, or Mexico, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic and that’s going to be a permanent loss of business. Of course, those countries might be targets of quarantine too, but I thik China because it is first, and becauee it is not honest, will be quarantined most strongly.

    This will also impact, of course, China;s mitary buildup.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  17. Poor Rush has become another cabana boi at Club T-rump. It’s a shame and embarrassment.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  18. 11. 9 mortality rate of around 3.4%

    The problem with the mortality rate is that you don’t know what the true denominator is. I don;t know if we know that about the flu either.

    Based on the Diamond Princess, where approximately 600 people (and counting) out o some 3,700 aboard came down with coronavirus, with two deaths reported at that point, it could be 1 in 300 or approximately 0.3%

    “Isolating” people together only ensures that a sixth to a third of unifected people will get infected

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  19. ‘In an October op-ed in The Washington Post, national security adviser Robert O’Brien described the Obama National Security Council as having “ballooned to well over 200 staffers,” and he said he intended “to reduce the NSC staff.”’
    Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 2/27/2020 @ 8:30 am

    Lt. Col. Vindman’s expertise in preventing pandemics will be surely missed.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  20. I often wonder if have anything intelligent to offer.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  21. Maybe coronavirus can save #NeverTrump.
    Munroe (dd6b64) — 2/27/2020 @ 8:07 am

    Projection. That’s the inverse of the Limbaugh-Trump complaint that a pandemic is being over-hyped just to hurt Trump — because how something effects Donald Trump is always the top concern in Trumpworld.

    Trumpists are loath to acknowledge such an obvious pathology in their hero, so they turn it around and project it onto anyone who does.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  22. Lt. Col. Vindman’s expertise in preventing pandemics will be surely missed.
    Munroe (dd6b64) — 2/27/2020 @ 9:14 am

    That’s an absurd deflection. The point of #10 is that very important positions, such as “the NSC’s director for medical and biodefense preparedness,” have been left empty.
    There is no basis for the slander that Vindman was claiming expertise in an area outside his competency.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  23. Radegunda (39c35f) — 2/27/2020 @ 9:31 am

    Fact: NSC staff did balloon under Obama.

    Pointing to attempts to reduce NSC bloat as deleterious to preventing the pandemic is ridiculous.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  24. Maybe coronavirus can save #NeverTrump.

    The Trumpist theory about Trump-critics is that they dislike him for no reason at all, and therefore are thrilled to have any pretext to justify their dislike.
    It doesn’t occur to them — or they don’t want to admit — that all those pretexts are actual reasons to dislike Trump.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  25. Projection. That’s the inverse of the Limbaugh-Trump complaint that a pandemic is being over-hyped just to hurt Trump — because how something effects Donald Trump is always the top concern in Trumpworld.

    Trumpists are loath to acknowledge such an obvious pathology in their hero, so they turn it around and project it onto anyone who does.

    Radegunda (39c35f) — 2/27/2020 @ 9:25 am

    Well said. It’s all twisted away from what matters.

    Ace is tongue in cheek encouraging his readers to vote for Bernie in the primary by freaking out about Allahpundit maybe voting for Bernie in the general. If it’s the only way to reelect Trump, it’s worth the risk, especially because it’s ‘hilarious’ to force nevertrumpers into an impossible choice.

    Just as this virus is framed either for or against Trump. Our country’s democratic processes are all a mess, every discussion focused on the dumbest and most extreme.

    Lt. Col. Vindman’s expertise in preventing pandemics will be surely missed.

    So weird how mad you guys are at him. He followed the law, speaking after subpeonaed. Big whoop. He probably would be pretty helpful in this coronavirus thing. We’ve gutted our military leadership and intel in favor of seeking a qualification of loyalty. How can the same guys who say affirmative action reduces quality then support purging anyone but Trump loyalists? Trump loyalty is strongly indicative of idiocy.

    Dustin (33f5ee)

  26. The Coronavirus pessimism from a CDC exec over last weekend had a lot to do with this, along with a worry that the administration might be lax in its response. Bernie’s jump in the betting odds after his Nevada blowout didn’t help any. It’s not so much a fear that Democrats might win, but that Bernie might. If I was one of them 8-figure guys, I’d be putting some money aside (and probably outside the US) just in case.

    But if you look at what is UP today, you’ll see they are pretty much Coronavirus plays. Zoom, for example. I wouldn’t want to be in airline or cruise ship stocks.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. “ Maybe coronavirus can save #NeverTrump.”

    No. You don’t understand #NeverTrump. What #NeverTrump wants is for Trump to (regrettably) drop dead, and soon, so that a reasonable Republican can take his place.

    “Some more fries with that burger, Mr President?”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  28. Fact: NSC staff did balloon under Obama.

    Pointing to attempts to reduce NSC bloat as deleterious to preventing the pandemic is ridiculous.
    Munroe (dd6b64) — 2/27/2020 @ 9:39 am

    There’s nothing ridiculous in suggesting that someone whose job is “coordinating the response to global pandemics,” and someone who is “senior director for global health security and biodefense,” and someone who is “director for medical and biodefense preparedness” would have some usefulness in preparing for a pandemic.

    What’s ridiculous is suggesting that those positions are irrelevant to a pandemic and were merely “bloat” that needed to be trimmed, and connecting it all with a Trump-centric animosity toward Vindman.

    It’s also absurd –and vile — to insinuate that Trump-critics are happy about a pandemic because it might hurt Trump.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  29. Lt. Col. Vindman’s expertise in preventing pandemics will be surely missed.

    President wanabee Vindman can still be reached for guidance. If necessary. The Republic is safe.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  30. The D’s see the Virus as the their big chance. A repeat of Bush’s Katrina disaster. The DNC-media lead by the Wapo and the NYT is pushing the same line.

    As for a Drop in China exports due to virus, any decrease will be small and temporary.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  31. Christina Ginn
    @NBChristinaGinn
    ·
    BREAKING NEWS:

    We are now in the worst stock market drop since financial crisis in 2008.
    _ _

    Holden
    @Holden114
    ·
    As you watch the press freakout remember that less than two months ago we went into WW3.

    _

    harkin (b64479)

  32. Come on, Trumpkin babies
    Whole lotta deflectin’ goin’ on
    Whoo-ooo
    Come on, Trumpkin babies
    Whole lotta deflectin’ goin’ on
    Ooh
    You can deflect one more time for me

    nk (1d9030)

  33. So, Trump holds major news conference on CV19. But all I can find in the Post and Times are people ragging on him and Pence for their lack of prescience or for failing to continue the alarmism.

    Some of that here, too. Who the F cares what Trump did in 2018? Or how much the CDC wasted that year on gun violence studies, for that matter. What matters is the degree to which the federal government is focused on the current problem, and how effective their preparations are.

    A party that spent the last 10 years letting every would-be immigrant into the country has a lot of gall talking about being lax regarding disease controls.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  34. In an October op-ed in The Washington Post, national security adviser Robert O’Brien described the Obama National Security Council as having “ballooned to well over 200 staffers,” and he said he intended “to reduce the NSC staff.”

    Please explain the error here, because a 200-member NSC seems a recipe for indecisiveness and confusion.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. “Please explain the error here, because a 200-member NSC seems a recipe for indecisiveness and confusion.”
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/27/2020 @ 10:04 am

    It’s a recipe for whistleblower parfait.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  36. 82,183 cases reported globally and 2,800 deaths,

    I read 3000 deaths as of this AM, which puts the ratio at at 3.6%. This ignores the delay between infection and death, of course. The number of cases 1-2 weeks ago is a better denominator.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  37. That’s very significant because 3.6% was also the drop in the stock market on the first day. Coincidence? No way! You don’t know how those people work. You just don’t.

    nk (1d9030)

  38. The numbers out of China are completely unreliable. Not only do they lie to us and each other, juking every stat possible (“call them the flu”), but nutrition, pollution, medical care standards and a number of other factors make China’s experience nearly useless.

    For example, many Chinese patients are treated with TCM instead of Western medicine. Now, maybe that’s OK since Western medicine has little to offer here, but TCM is not without effect and not all effects are good.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. Coincidence? No way! You don’t know how those people work. You just don’t.

    If Biden wins SC by 3.6%, we’ll know for sure!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  40. Please, the influence virus, or the flu, killed eight times as many people in the US alone last year, not to mention many thousands of others around the globe, than the corona virus has thus far. It is the fear of an imagined pandemic disease, not the recognition of an actual one, that fuels this crisis.

    But, hey, nothing like a little viral outbreak to explain away a stock market collapse. Blame it all on the “sick men of Asia”–reporters lost their jobs for using that phrase.

    This isn’t insanity, it’s mindlessness. The Chinese government, known at The People’s Republic of China, has not dealt with this mild outbreak very well. And that inability or malperformance has caused some stress or concern in the stock markets.

    Let’s get very real here. Is the corona virus really responsible for the collapse of the stock market? Or could it possibly be the tariffs and trade wars Trump has initiated?

    The stock market goes up, the stock market goes down. It’s known as the business cycle, and everyone understands it. There is no such thing as an ever-increasing stock market; there never has been and never will be. This whole coronavirus thing is a way to distract from failed policies., on both sides.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  41. #38

    For example, many Chinese patients are treated with TCM instead of Western medicine. Now, maybe that’s OK since Western medicine has little to offer here, but TCM is not without effect and not all effects are good.

    Yes, I mean I know old comedy movies can cure cancer, but TCM has been known to show Charlie Chan movies, and that is bound to upset people in China.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  42. I’m sure Pence, a man I doubt believes in the germ theory of disease, will be an excellent point man for dealing with this.

    Davethulhu (94520c)

  43. @42

    I’m sure Pence, a man I doubt believes in the germ theory of disease, will be an excellent point man for dealing with this.

    Davethulhu (94520c) — 2/27/2020 @ 10:43 am

    …and you base this on…what exactly?

    whembly (51f28e)

  44. What matters is the degree to which the federal government is focused on the current problem, and how effective their preparations are.

    It’s hardly reassuring when Trump makes clear that what matters to him is how his reelection chances might be affected, and when his acolytes are singing pretty much the same tune.

    It’s a recipe for whistleblower parfait.

    IOW, it doesn’t matter whether the NSC has anyone to coordinate a pandemic response. The most important thing is to purge anyone who might conceivably give testimony unflattering to Trump.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  45. Traditional Chinese Medicine. But you knew that. And I suspect that Mr Chan used it.

    (note aside: Charlie Chan movies tended to show Chan and Chinese in a good light and whites as racist fools, although Charlie Chan in Egypt was a big exception, co-starring the terribly stereotyped Stepin Fetchit.)

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. #44:

    Well, you do seem to be the flip side — all that matters to you is how it exposes Trump’s continued unfitness for office. The sun could go nova, and you’d say “SEE! I told you Trump was no good!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  47. Question for the Trump supporters: Do you trust the accuracy of his factual assertion as much as you did those of his predecessors? His Republican predecessors?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  48. (That should be assertions, plural and generally. Not just today’s topic.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  49. I see a LOT of T-rump sucking excuses for the gross mismanagement at the very top of what is supposed to be our government.

    “Only the best people” is a miserable dirty joke. And that boob-bait worked and is still being slobbered up.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  50. If Pence and Cuccinelli don’t reassure the markets, will he bring in Jared?

    John B Boddie (286277)

  51. The sun could go nova, and you’d say “SEE! I told you Trump was no good!”

    Silliness! We know that Duh Donald is no good regardless of the state of the orange ball in the sky that you believe he causes to rise every day. PBUH

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  52. New[t] Gingrich made this point the other day; he’s a smart cookie.

    Except he’s not. But you go on and keep believing him. It’s an endless source of entertainment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. I’m pretty sure that Trump does not make the Sun rise. Nor am I sure that he understands the mechanism of “sunrise.” He probably knows that it rises in the east and sets in the west, but he may not know where the moon sets.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. “Shots for the masses!”

    Make mine Jack Daniels.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. Except he’s not. But you go on and keep believing him. It’s an endless source of entertainment.

    Actually he’s quite smart. Brains and ethics are not always correlated though.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  56. “ …and you base this on…what exactly?”

    He’s a creationist.

    Davethulhu (94520c)

  57. Actually he’s quite smart. Brains and ethics are not always correlated though.

    This allows me to state Ragspierre’s theory of voluntary stupidity; even smart people can make themselves idiots by the choices they make.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  58. @55. Actually, no, he’s not. But his shtick is to sound authoritative and make the gullable believe he is. Just like a weatherman.

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sci-fi-cold-open/n13372

    ‘May divorce be with you.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. If Biden pulls off a win in South Carolina, the Democrats might actually have a real chance to win. Scary news for the Dow Jones!

    All plagiarist JoeyBee ever references in his prattle are the dead.

    Dead wife; dead kids; dead Ted Kennedy; dead John McCain; dead Fritz Hollings… ‘here’s the deal’- his vision for America’s future is dead and gone.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. A company assembles their product in the United States from over 3,500 parts. One piece of their product comes from China. It’s not a super complicated part, but it does serve an important role. It’s not too hard to move the tools that make it anywhere you want if you can get in and out of the region. It’s harder to make new tools. In either case you need to do validation testing on that part, and you need to do more testing on the assembly. You also need to determine if product level testing is required. You can’t build your product without this part. So you have to do this work quickly. That takes time and money and there’s a risk you might have to shut your plant down.

    Things like this across multiple industries are why the market is down.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  61. Gingrich Says NASA Should Have Folded – nytimes.com

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/05/us/gingrich-says-nasa-should-have-folded.html

    Speaker Newt Gingrich said today that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration should have been disbanded after the Apollo moon program ended in the 1970’s.

    He’s an opportunistic imbecile. ‘Nuff said.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. The sun could go nova, and you’d say “SEE! I told you Trump was no good!”

    That’s just another iteration of the bizarre notion that criticism of Trump has nothing to do with anything he says or does, or with qualities he routinely displays.

    Can you find one time I have criticized Trump for something he had no part in? Or anything comparable to the Limbaugh notion that expressing concern about a pandemic is a plot against Trump?

    It’s hardly necessary to “expose” Trump’s unfitness when he makes it so obvious. And I’m not here every day saying “Trump no good” — but I do see people who comment pretty much every day insisting that whatever Trump has said or done is perfectly justifiable and that those who criticize him are doing so with terrible motives. And meanwhile those reflexive Trump-apologist will criticize others for the sins that they demand we excuse in Trump.

    What bothers me is how so many people have taken the position that Trump must not be held to any standard external to himself — which is the point of “Let Trump be Trump!”

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  63. 26. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/27/2020 @ 9:49 am

    The Coronavirus pessimism from a CDC exec over last weekend had a lot to do with this,

    Rush Limbaugh said that when he heard what she said, he told his staff to research her political contributions – and they discovered (maybe no contributions, he didn’t have any to announce) but that she was Rod Rosenstein’s sister.

    And Rosenstein appointed Mueller, so she must hate Trump, was his comment.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  64. I know SDAs can be a handful, but did you think about the brakes this un-use of a good resource on the COV19 could put on Blexit?

    urbanleftbehind (7a51b5)

  65. Blowhard w/terminal lung cancer says this is just a cold.

    That’s a confidence builder. Watching free market capitalists irrationally panic is…

    glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. 38. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/27/2020 @ 10:19 am

    nutrition, pollution, medical care standards and a number of other factors make China’s experience nearly useless.

    Wuhan is one of China’s more polluted cities and that does have an effect on respiratory diseases. It has a high particulate matter level.

    Or did until they shut down all the factories.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  67. Trump administration says corona virus vaccine may not be affordable for many. This is a good way to stop democrats from voting.

    corona virus (9c7977)

  68. 65. Rush is being careful. He didn’t say that today. He said the deaths reported for are against cases but that for the flu is as a percentage of the population. So 30,000 to 60,000 deaths a year from flu in the United States is…

    It works out not to 0.1% but one basis point. So I don’t think he has things quite right yet, but these comparative casualty figures do need checking..

    He did say they never talk about every stupid thing Gayle King or Hoda something says. He also says he’s been accused of saying something he didn’t say something about coronavirus being a weapon of the deep state? In Buzzfeed and then the Washington Post ran something. One time referring to it as the Bezos Post. Said they said they wanted to do a sympathetic story about his cancer and were trying to contact people who knew him – said he told everyone not to talk to “these snakes”

    He doesn’t want to talk much about this cancer, but says the main effect (of his treatment?) is he feels tired. He sometimes pushes himself, not to show he is strong but because he likes doing this. I’m paraphrasing. He takes one injection at 1 pm (during a break) and one at 11 pm plus something else he doesn’t want to mention 4 times a week.

    He says if he talked more about it the whole show would be aboot that. But sometimes he fees he’s not up to it. (doing the show and the show prep before it)

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  69. The whole thing they do to create new medical treatments is crazy and driven by the patent system and regulation so it’s almost a mathematical law that new treatments are extremely expensive and are delayed for years. (and yet new medical treatments almost only come out of the United States, because all the other major countries have various forms of national health insurance budgets.

    The way they are researching anti corona virus treatments is crazy. They seem to be on;y cosidering and anti viral remdesivir, which is only given intravenously. Gilead Sciences owns the patent, and maybe it passed some safety tests, so they are proceeding with it. It was developed or tried with ebola in 2014 but was not too useful, probably because ebola multiplies in the body too fast.

    It shows every sign of working – and so would HIV drugs taken orally – but, no, they have to test it.

    Now there’s reasons to test it, to determine best dose or length of time to give it, and if it can help in serious cases or is more useful for prevention of transmission, but that’s no reason not to go ahead now and just get an idea of how useful it is.

    One thought: How much it helps might depend upon if someone was exposed to the virus once or is being repeatedly exposed to it. It won’t have he same answer in both cases.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  70. Chinese coal consumption for the week ending Tuesday, February 25 is down 40% from what it was a year earlier according to Goldman Sachs, as cited in a Wall Street Journal story. And something called Nomura estimates, using data from the map-and-search company Baidu, that only slightly more than a third of those people who left major cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen to go visit family members at their ancestral home, for the Chinese Lunar New Year (Jan 25 and the following week) have returned. It should be nearly all by now.

    Many of them are officially residents of their home provinces. Migrant labor makes up 40% of China’s work force. So maybe 25% of the workforce is out of place, plus hundreds of millions of people in various degrees of lockdown.

    And yet they’re still only estimating first quarter growth at maybe 0%. A decline of at least 30% is more like it. (no big effect for first month or even till Feb 3, and maybe some places unaffected)

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  71. It seems like, from details that I am reading, that in Mainland China, local powers that be, although they can be instantly removed, have a lot of delegated independent despotic power and are not too closely supervised.

    There is a secret police but it’s very tiny and the secrets tightly held so it is limited actually in what it does.

    The local despots do not get too much detailed supervision. The most supervision maybe comes through government campaigns to do something or other, and anytime the central government really wants to do anything, they have to launch a campaign. The local people in charge then become anxious to show they are fully participating in that.

    Their greatest fears of removal would seem to be:

    1) They let something happen the government doesn’t like. That could even failing to hit economic targets.

    2) They lied to the central government, or rather their superiors in the Communist party, but they are mostly the same people. They probably all do this, so it has to be egregious. Personal profiteering can be left alone for years but later turned into an example of lying.

    3) They gave the people too much freedom. (probably not a frequent occurrence)

    The central government seems to be constantly correcting some of the things the local despots do. Right now its mostly trying to cut back on roadblocks. On Tuesday, Xi Jinping very publicly called on authorities to help farmers cross road barriers so they can to their rice paddies.

    He had to use big language calling for “an all-out effort to secure a bumper summer grain harvest”

    So a lot of local authorities will try to show how they are doing that, while at the same time complying with all the other directives coming out of Beijing and preventing the spread of coronavirus, which they could be held responsible for failing to do even if they followed all of the directives.

    China has to worry even about having enough food by September and even importing of food, of course, could be half frozen.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  72. 64. I dolt follow this at all. What is an SDa and what is Blexit?

    Yes. Trump failed to re member Ben Carson.

    But then he’s a brain surgeon, not a clinical innovator (except in surgery, one place where innovation does not require FDA approval and devices didn’t uee to.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  73. We can’t have a loose cannon like Dr. Anthony Fauci going around talking about something so serious as a pandemic without first asking Dr. Donald what’s okay to say and what isn’t. We’re fortunate to have such a Very Stable Genius for a president who can tell us the real truth!

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  74. To Kevin M and others here, who are insisting on being rational in spite of all the evidence in their favor; and to those irrational ones demanding that the world come to an end because of this year’s strain of a bad flu, maybe I can offer a little bit of perspective.

    I live and work in South Korea, which has the second-highest number of infections so far — not surprisingly, given our proximity to China. The vast majority of the cases here are directly traceable to a large religious congregation in the central city of Daegu, many of whom recently traveled to Wuhan China on a religious mission. The huge new influx of confirmed cases over the past two days is a direct result of the authorities having identified all the members of that church and subjected them to mass testing. This sudden jump is entirely an effect of that practical circumstance, and was predicted.

    Those citing mortality rates like 3.6% are focusing on the Chinese numbers (by far the biggest known numbers), which are undoubtedly skewed by the government’s refusal to report the truth about anything. This does NOT indicate that the real mortality rate is higher than reported. On the contrary, it suggests that the real mortality rate will be MUCH lower than currently available, due to underreporting of confirmed infections. (It’s harder to avoid reporting death numbers, because families notice that their grandfathers are not home. Infections, on the other hand, are easy to underreport, because most of the infected will experience few if any symptoms.)

    Now to the point with which I am most familiar. Here in Korea, the current mortality rate from the known cases is 0.7%. Far less than one percent. In raw numbers, we have had thirteen deaths so far, the majority of them weak and uncared-for patients at a single horribly managed mental hospital. In other words, they were the most vulnerable, the kind of people who always get nailed in a flu epidemic.

    This is a flu epidemic. The word “epidemic” scares laymen, because most of us don’t live in a sphere in which such words are commonly used, outside of horror movies. In truth, there are multiple flu epidemics EVERY YEAR, in every advanced country. A “pandemic” (even scarier word, thanks to media hype) is just an epidemic that has spread wider around the globe. In this case, a flu bug that has spread around the world.

    Just a couple of days ago, I read and then wrote about a scientific study from 2015 which used a statistical model to calculate the number of flu-related deaths in Korea in an average year. The final result was 2,900. In an average year. So far, this coronavirus outbreak has killed 13.

    Keep your heads, friends.

    And by the way, do I believe the Democrats and their media allies would be willing (and happy) to instigate an economic collapse over this flu hype just to weaken Republicans going into the election? Are you kidding me? Isn’t that just the normal mechanics of modern party politics? Two days ago, for example, four hundred thousand Koreans signed a petition demanding that President Moon Jae-in be impeached — because some people have the flu.

    I strongly dislike Moon, just as I strongly dislike Trump. But so far, this “pandemic” panic is at least 90% media profiteering and political cynicism. Calm down and eat healthily. And if you think you have respiratory flu symptoms, stay indoors and don’t go infecting others — just like with any virus.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  75. This is a flu epidemic.

    Yellow Fever. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. Rush Limbaugh said that when he heard what she said, he told his staff to research her political contributions – and they discovered (maybe no contributions, he didn’t have any to announce) but that she was Rod Rosenstein’s sister.

    Yeah, her being Rosenstein’s sister was bizarre. It was definitely an attempt by her to damage trump in coordination with the Media. Gee, just like her Brother leaking to the media, right before he appointed Mueller.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  77. I’m still trying to figure out why Sessions appointed Rosenstein, and how Rod skated through everything without anyone saying Boo about him. Everyone else was attacked by Trump and the supporting Republicans in congress, but good ol’ Rod kept his skirts nice and clean.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  78. SDA = Seventh Day Adventists (Carson is a practicing member).

    Blexit = Black Exit (from the Democratic Party) aka Red Pill movement promoted by groups such as Turning Point USA.

    urbanleftbehind (7a51b5)

  79. @75: “Yellow Fever.”

    Cute. Politically incorrect (in Western terms). But cute. Over here, where politically correct language policing has not taken over society so completely, one often hears people referring to themselves as “yellow,” in contrast to “white people.” No big deal. I always have to remind myself when I visit North America that such words are considered evil now, for reasons that say more about the judges than about the language.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  80. It was definitely an attempt by her to damage trump in coordination with the Media.

    Why don’t you give us the chapter and verse for THAT lode of BS.

    I mean OTHER than your mean and crazy.

    I bet some of us have siblings that some boob could do the ol’ guilt by ASSociation crap on or vice versa without any validity.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  81. Sorry, Sammy…

    The researchers said they had found a coronavirus in smuggled pangolins that was a 99% genetic match to the virus circulating in people.

    But the result did not actually refer to the entire genome. In fact, it related to a specific site known as the receptor-binding domain (RBD), say the study’s authors, who posted their analysis1 on the biomedical preprint server bioRxiv on 20 February. The press-conference report was the result of an “embarrassing miscommunication between the bioinformatics group and the lab group of the study”, explains Xiao Lihua, a parasitologist at the South China Agricultural University and a co-author of the paper. A whole-genome comparison found that the pangolin and human viruses share 90.3% of their DNA.

    You have to take a LOT of stuff you read from the “scientific press” with a huge grain of salt (which, btw, is not really bad for most of us}.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  82. This is a flu epidemic. According to CBS News’ medical correspondent it is somewhat distinguishable from the flu, mostly in that it targets an area deep in the lungs. That is the reason many patients need breathing tubes. It is not exactly the flue and it is not exactly the cold, but there are four similar “corona” viruses circulating around the world, and altogether about 400 viruses that cause disease (some much more serious, like rabies)

    Thanks for giving us the background as how it got to Daegu, which was not in the newspapers I read. I only had that South Korea isn’t doing quite the same drastic things as China is.

    No word on ow it got to Lombardy, Italy, and nobody knows enough even to try to find out how it got to Iran.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  83. 81. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 2/27/2020 @ 3:46 pm

    Sorry, Sammy…

    The researchers said they had found a coronavirus in smuggled pangolins that was a 99% genetic match to the virus circulating in people.

    But the result did not actually refer to the entire genome….A whole-genome comparison found that the pangolin and human viruses share 90.3% of their DNA.

    So what does that mean?

    Is there a better match with the pangolin virus than some others?

    Does that mean it probably really did come from bats except the bats got it earlier from the pangolins? Or that a bat virus mutated separately to affect pangolins and people?

    This sounds like a plausible error.

    You have to take a LOT of stuff you read from the “scientific press” with a huge grain of salt (which, btw, is not really bad for most of us}.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  84. No word on ow it got to Lombardy, Italy, and nobody knows enough even to try to find out how it got to Iran.

    It was Rod Rosenstein and his sister, Natasha Badenov…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  85. You have to take a LOT of stuff you read from the “scientific press” with a huge grain of salt (which, btw, is not really bad for most of us}.

    Actually too little salt is worse than too much, and the amount that is being recommended by the US government is too low and not healthy. But I don’t know anybody who knows exactly how much salt they’re taking.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  86. 77. Rod Rosenstein convinced Trump (truthfully) that “the resistance” was lying about him.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  87. I’m still trying to figure out why Sessions appointed Rosenstein, and how Rod skated through everything without anyone saying Boo about him. Everyone else was attacked by Trump and the supporting Republicans in congress, but good ol’ Rod kept his skirts nice and clean.

    Sessions did not appoint Rosenstein. Trump appointed Rosenstein.

    President Trump nominated Rosenstein to serve as Deputy Attorney General for the United States Department of Justice on February 1, 2017. He was one of the 46 United States Attorneys ordered on March 10, 2017, to resign by Attorney General Jeff Sessions; Trump declined his resignation. Rosenstein was confirmed by the Senate on April 25, 2017, by a vote of 94–6.

    Maybe he reminded Trump of Roy Cohn?

    nk (1d9030)

  88. So what does that mean?

    Well, ONE thing it means is that what you posted is not good science.

    Another thing it means is the search needs to continue WITHOUT being impeded by a false conclusion.

    There really doesn’t have to have been an animal vector, you know.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  89. The Dow dropped 1190 points today, the largest 1-day drop in history, although this number is misleading. It has dropped 6 trading days in a row now, and is a record for a week. (does that mean since Monday?)

    I don’t think this is caused by anybody thinking about what the corona virus itself could do, but what could be the consequences of the quarantines (which are being ordered by people who think this will all be over soon, and it won’t.)

    Traders, who think five or six steps ahead, also think the Federal Reserve Board will cut interest rates to compensate, and yields on 10-year Treasuries notes have dropped a lot.

    Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb)

  90. I’m sure Pence, a man I doubt believes in the germ theory of disease, will be an excellent point man for dealing with this.

    Davethulhu (94520c) — 2/27/2020 @ 10:43 am

    So nice hearing from the “reasonable” left.

    NJRob (fc23d5)

  91. The Democrat glee is unholy. But part for the course: “Never let a crisis go to waste”. — Rahm “The Ghoul” Emmanuel (D)

    nk (1d9030)

  92. *par* (as in golf)

    nk (1d9030)

  93. @82:

    “I only had that South Korea isn’t doing quite the same drastic things as China is.”

    Well, of course, South Korea is still a representative republic of sorts. China is a totalitarian loony bin pretending to be a civilized state for global optics purposes.

    The biggest difference I have found in the literature between this virus and other flu viruses is that there is no vaccine for this one. Of course, even that is a bit exaggerated, since even people who get flu shots can still get the flu. Of course, there is no vaccine for this one, because it is new and hasn’t been figured out yet. Also, people have never had it before, so our bodies have had no previous experience with which to build up an immunity, i.e., a means of fighting it off naturally. So we’re more likely to get sick if we contract the virus.

    Further, this one is airborne, it seems, which many people are now casually citing as “proof” that this coronavirus is different from a flu. In fact, many other flu viruses are airborne viruses. In 2018, there was a new study, which I read about on NBC’s website, suggesting that most common flu viruses might in truth be airborne after all, contrary to standard medical “wisdom.”

    Frankly, the amount that medical experts know about any virus is dwarfed by the amount they don’t know, which is why they are continually correcting themselves and adjusting the textbooks.

    Is coronavirus technically a flu virus? At the moment, many sources say “there are differences,” but then they cite differences that have more to do with severity or intangible unknowns about this virus, rather than essentially non-influenza facts about it.

    It acts a lot like a flu, is spread like a flu, has symptoms like a flu, and it is being compared most closely to the SARS and MERS outbreaks, which are now categorized as influenza outbreaks, such as in a 2015 Korean medical study that I have read, and wrote about in an earlier comment here, which includes those two in its statistical analysis of flu-related mortality.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  94. Not that I don’t appreciate the irony that the Capital of Capitalism (that would be Wall Street) is being shaken, or at least vigorously stirred, by reduced productivity in the world’s largest Communist state.

    nk (1d9030)

  95. Maybe he reminded Trump of Roy Cohn?

    Thats so childish its bizarre. The AG picks the DAG, Trump didn’t know Rosenstein, anymore than Bush knew Comey in 2003 when he was appointed DAG. This of course, brings up the question, do you respond to people assuming they are in good faith, or just ignore them, knowing they are playing dumb or lying?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  96. The person actually in charge, under Pence, of coordinating a U.S. government response to Covid-19 is Deborah Birx. She has been given the title of White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, by Vice President Mike Pence. She will report to Pence and be a member of a task force headed by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar.

    She was appointed ambassador-at-large and coordinator of the US government activities to combat HIV/AIDS by President Obama, and sworn in on Friday, April 25, 2014. (the State Department’s top AIDS official.) and she’s is being moved (temporarily?) from that position.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  97. @91:

    “The Democrat glee is unholy. But part for the course: “Never let a crisis go to waste”. — Rahm “The Ghoul” Emmanuel (D)”

    It’s revolting, and obvious. You don’t have to like Trump (I don’t) to see the cynicism of the Left’s response to this stuff. They would not mind some deaths if this would make Trump look bad, and they are clearly willing a financial crisis as a pre-election boost to their attacks on Republicans. One would have to be willfully blind to deny this.

    Of course, one could fairly ask, “Wouldn’t Trump and the GOP do the same?” Probably, but most of them would likely feel less “glee” about their cynicism, or at least know enough to hide it. The difference, I suppose, is that Republicans will use lies, or other people’s pain, to advance their electoral cause, whereas Democrats are pleased to do so. The lies and pain (to others) are part of the fun of politics for them.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  98. Paging Jesse Livermore! Paging Jesse Livermore!

    The Crash of 1929 – American Experience

    https://www.pbs.org/video/american-experience-the-crash-of-1929

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. I guess some people will believe anything they see on the T&V…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  100. Daren Jonescu (2f5857) — 2/27/2020 @ 4:18 pm

    it is being compared most closely to the SARS and MERS outbreaks, which are now categorized as influenza outbreaks, such as in a 2015 Korean medical study that I have read, and wrote about in an earlier comment here, which includes those two in its statistical analysis of flu-related mortality.

    If Sars and MERS are labeled flu then this is flu. What is the definition of flu?

    Does it have anything to do with the virus itself, or does it have to do with its symptoms.

    One definition seems to go with symptoms Or maybe not:

    https://www.britannica.com/science/influenza

    Influenza, also called flu or grippe, an acute viral infection of the upper or lower respiratory tract that is marked by fever, chills, and a generalized feeling of weakness and pain in the muscles, together with varying degrees of soreness in the head and abdomen.

    Now, is this an infection, or any infection.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  101. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/08/26/129456941/annual-flu-death-average-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it

    For as long as I can remember now, we’ve been saying 36,000 people die each year from the flu. When we’ve asked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for updated figures, they told us 36K was the best they had.

    Didn’t seem quite right that it never changed year after year.

    Now it turns out the 36K was calculated way back in 1999, when flu deaths hit a peak.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  102. Maybe he reminded Trump of Roy Cohn?

    Thats so childish its bizarre. The AG picks the DAG, Trump didn’t know Rosenstein, anymore than Bush knew Comey in 2003 when he was appointed DAG. This of course, brings up the question, do you respond to people assuming they are in good faith, or just ignore them, knowing they are playing dumb or lying?

    The President appoints the DAG and the Senate confirms him. Trump appointed Rosenstein to replace Sally Yates before Sessions set foot in the DOJ. When Sessions asked for Rosenstein’s resignation, Trump overruled him.

    Do you have some bizarre form of aphasia when it comes to anything that does not reflect 100% positively on Trump? Is the whole world, except Trump, to blame for Trump’s moronic f***ups?

    nk (1d9030)

  103. “ So nice hearing from the “reasonable” left.”

    Pence is a creationist, whose response to an HIV outbreak while he was governor was to “go home and pray on it.”

    Davethulhu (94520c)

  104. 99.I guess some people will believe anything they see on the T&V…

    President Apprentice.

    ‘Nuff said.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  105. Pence was governor of Indiana from 2013 to 2017. The AIDS outbreak we all know about was in 1980. Any more details on that story?

    nk (1d9030)

  106. Thats so childish its bizarre. The AG picks the DAG, Trump didn’t know Rosenstein, anymore than Bush knew Comey in 2003 when he was appointed DAG. This of course, brings up the question, do you respond to people assuming they are in good faith, or just ignore them, knowing they are playing dumb or lying?

    Good lord, is it that difficult to just google something before you spew another falsehood. History exists, it’s not hard to find, this history is just a few years old for goodness sake.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump will nominate U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein to be deputy attorney general, the White House said on Tuesday, one day after Trump fired the acting attorney general for refusing to enforce an immigration order.

    The White House also said Trump will nominate Rachel Brand to be associate attorney general and Steven Engel to be an assistant attorney general, filling senior positions as the Justice Department awaits Senate confirmation of Jeff Sessions to be attorney general.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  107. Scott County HIV outbreak: What happened and how Pence responded to 2015 epidemic.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  108. “Any more details on that story?”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4890988002

    The biggest red flag for critics was Pence’s handling of the largest HIV outbreak in state history. Many feel Pence was slow to respond and ignored public health evidence and that his policies were too-little-too-late, all of which they believe, enabled the 2015 outbreak linked to the injection of oral painkillers to flourish in southern Indiana.

    Davethulhu (8138da)

  109. Thank you, gentlemen. I guess the Lord heard Pence’s prayer and showed him the way:

    Then in March 2015, Pence declared a public health emergency for Scott County that allowed for a temporary needle exchange. In May, he signed a bill making it easier for other counties to launch needle exchange program. Later that year Pence announced the formation of the Governor’s Task Force on Drug Enforcement, Treatment and Prevention to combat drug abuse across the state.

    According to the 2016 New England Journal of Medicine study, syringe exchange programs are associated with a 56 percent reduction in the risk of HIV infection. A chart shows HIV diagnoses in Scott County began tapering off within months of the emergency syringe program starting.

    In 2018, Scott County reported seven new cases of HIV, down from 157 reported in 2015.

    nk (1d9030)

  110. Yup, only the extra ~50 people who have now have HIV who wouldn’t if he’d not went and prayed on it, instead of doing the thing that literally everyone knew was the correct thing. That he finally did it after the delay, is nice, but the delay is the problem.

    Sure, these are IV drug users, but fewer people with HIV saves us all in risk and treatments costs.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  111. I hope, but think it’s unlikely, that he learned a lesson. Or that he realizes that Trump is setting him up as the fall guy in case things go badly.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  112. I was thinking the same thing, Davethulhu. Back then, Pence’s political climate was Indiana. Now his political climate is Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. @100: “Does it have anything to do with the virus itself, or does it have to do with its symptoms?”

    Sammy, yes, this is an awfully nebulous thing, as definitions of general conditions will tend to be. (For example, we casually use “depression” now as though it named a specific, physically-identifiable illness, although in fact it doesn’t.)

    I don’t pretend to be a medical expert, and I’m also healthily skeptical about declarations of certainty in such matters by actual medical experts, since these are almost epistemological or ontological matters, rather than medical ones. (“What exactly meets the definition of a flu?” “Well, that depends how we choose to define ‘flu.'”)

    This coronavirus 19 is a virus that causes symptoms explicitly comparable to flu symptoms, and requires treatment like a flu, and is susceptible to an eventual vaccine discovery, like flu viruses.

    As a practical matter, over here (Korea), the authorities have been telling everyone to watch out especially for fever, shortness of breath, and coughing, which are the most typical and “definitive” symptoms of a respiratory flu, as we have all experienced during our lives, no doubt. If you have these symptoms, the Korean authorities are saying you should self-quarantine (i.e., stay home) for a couple of days and monitor your progress. If the symptoms persist or worsen, contact the public disease control number we’ve got plastered all over the country these days. Of course, you should act more immediately if you have any plausible reason to think you may have had contact with a known case of the virus.

    It’s a bad flu (or something). You don’t want it, and you don’t want to spread it. But it’s not the plague.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  114. Yup, only the extra ~50 people who have now have HIV who wouldn’t if he’d not went and prayed on it, instead of doing the thing that literally everyone knew was the correct thing. That he finally did it after the delay, is nice, but the delay is the problem.

    Sure, these are IV drug users, but fewer people with HIV saves us all in risk and treatments costs.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 2/27/2020 @ 5:38 pm

    So you want to blame 50 drug addicts getting HIV on Pence instead of themselves and then blame God as well. Interesting. That’s a bold strategy Cotton.

    How about laying off the anti-Christian bigotry for a while instead.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  115. Washington Post:

    Coronavirus makes the case for Medicare-for-all
    _

    The Sun (UK):

    VIRUS FEARS Coronavirus pandemic could see elderly and weaker patients ‘sacrificed’ if NHS overwhelmed by virus
    _

    harkin (b64479)

  116. So you want to blame 50 drug addicts getting HIV on Pence instead of themselves and then blame God as well. Interesting. That’s a bold strategy Cotton.

    How about laying off the anti-Christian bigotry for a while instead

    Way to miss the point, but it’s weird that you aren’t defending the action, and claim some religious bias, or something.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  117. If Trump uses Covid-19 as an excuse to cancel the November election, will his senators and superfans dance for him like they always do?

    “Article II powers something something unitary executive something something not a crime something something executive privilege something something thirteen angry democrats”

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. The needle exchange was the sticking point. A lot of people see it as aiding and abetting hard-core addiction, or even assisting suicide.

    nk (1d9030)

  119. Amazing how people don’t even read things before responding. Puts Col Klink on the ignore list.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  120. The needle exchange was the sticking point. A lot of people see it as aiding and abetting hard-core addiction, or even assisting suicide.

    Mayor Pete wants to decriminalize Cocaine and Heroin and said so on the debate stage. no one disagreed with him. So, that appears to the be the D position along with giving Blacks/Hispanics business licences to sell legal MJ. Talk about helping “Hard Core addiction”.

    But I’ve noticed that the elites and middle class liberals have just decided to let the weakest among us, wallow in drug addiction or alcohol. They don’t want cigarettes advertised on TV – but hard liquor is OK! Cause nothing more healthy than a bottle of Vodka and drunk driving.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  121. Look at the homeless problem that exists in almost every “Deep Blue” cities. These “bleeding heart” liberals could solve the problem and help these people with tough love, but they prefer to let them live on the streets suffering from drug addiction and mental disease, all the while congratulating themselves on their “Big Hearts”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  122. They don’t want cigarettes advertised on TV – but hard liquor is OK! Cause nothing more healthy than a bottle of Vodka and drunk driving.

    Where are you seeing “hard liquor” advertised on TV?

    So, that appears to the be the D position along with giving Blacks/Hispanics business licences to sell legal MJ.

    Wow. Is is just “Blacks and Hispanics”? Any white people too? Is somebody selecting “Blacks and Hispanics” for special treatment?

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  123. Since you’re still talking to me, rcocean, here’s one link to the source of my Roy Cohn remark. When Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation, Trump was reported to have exclaimed: “Where’s my Roy Cohn?” https://www.npr.org/2018/01/07/576209428/president-trump-called-for-roy-cohn-but-roy-cohn-was-gone

    Since then, some enterprising filmmaker used the quote, Where’s My Roy Cohn?, as the title of a documentary/biopic. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7193362/

    Trump did appoint Rosenstein DAG before Sessions was confirmed as AG; Sessions did ask for Rosenstein’s resignation upon being confirmed; and Trump did overrule Sessions. Maybe he thought he had found his new Roy Cohn.

    nk (1d9030)

  124. Where are you seeing “hard liquor” advertised on TV?

    Last World Series, for me, but I hardly watch adult any commercial TV, so there could be others I haven’t seen.

    nk (1d9030)

  125. *any adult commercial TV*

    nk (1d9030)

  126. I have to disagree about the marijuana. The legal CBD stores I’m seeing are along the border of Chicago and its suburbs or otherwise near “nice” neighborhoods. They’re stealing the affluent white urban/suburban customers of inner city street dealers. (And at $400 plus for a lid, they need to be affluent.)

    nk (1d9030)

  127. Thanks, nk. It’s been years since I watched anything with a commercial in it. I seem to recall it was verboten, so maybe this is a new wrinkle.

    We live and learn…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  128. Sale of IV needles without a prescription was made illegal o 1978. By regulation I think. When AIDS came along this was not reversed, a perfect illustration of government’s inability to self correct.

    It took till about 1998 till they no longer caused heroin addicts to die because of this.

    It did result in the crime rate dropping everywhere in the 1990s but this was not intentional..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  129. 114. Daren Jonescu (2f5857) — 2/27/2020 @ 6:04 pm

    But it’s not the plague.

    Paul Krugman, NYT opinion columnist is still saying (today’s column) it could be like the Spanish influenza of 1918!

    If it were, we would know already.

    Who’s saying this or said it some time ago?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html

    The story changed once it became clear that the virus was spreading well beyond China. At that point it became a hoax perpetrated by the news media. Rush Limbaugh weighed in: “It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. … The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.”

    Limbaugh was, you may not be surprised to hear, projecting. Back in 2014 right-wing politicians and media did indeed try to politically weaponize a disease outbreak, the Ebola virus, with Trump himself responsible for more than 100 tweets denouncing the Obama administration’s response (which was actually competent and effective).

    And in case you’re wondering, no, the coronavirus isn’t like the common cold. In fact, early indications are that the virus may be as lethal as the 1918 Spanish Flu, which killed as many as 50 million people.

    He links to:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says

    Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and China’s response, said the specialists did not see evidence that a large number of mild cases of the novel disease called Covid-19 are evading detection.

    China doesn;t weant people to think so!

    So they lift the quarantine.

    I think they’ve gone back to underestimating cases.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  130. 88. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 2/27/2020 @ 4:04 pm

    There really doesn’t have to have been an animal vector, you know.

    Well, that is the answer to the question of how did it go undiscovered till now, and when did it have time to mutate?

    he question is how different is this from known human corona viruses. ‘

    But yes, a form of this could have been circulating in Wuhan or in China for some time, and then there was another mutation that made it more virulenr.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)


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