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12/21/2019

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:22 am



[guest post by Dana]

Feel free to talk about anything you think is newsworthy or might interest readers.

I’ll start.

First news item: Voters expect elected officials to enact viable solutions. Unfortunately, more often than not, government can only demonstrate its inability to fix anything:

Homelessness in Seattle has reached a crisis point. Despite some $1 billion in public and private spending, more people live on the streets than ever before. But rather than focus on the causes — addiction, mental illness and social breakdown — progressives in local government have waged war against abstract forces of oppression.

Last week, Seattle homeless ­advocates hosted their annual conference under the theme of “Decolonizing Our Collective Work.” ­According to the organizers, to reduce homelessness, government should prioritize “unpacking the current structures of power” and “examine the legacies of structural racism in our systems” to “co-design a path towards liberation with black, ­indigenous, brown and other marginalized communities.”

What does all that mean?

The director of King County’s homelessness program, Kira Zylstra, used taxpayer funds to hire a transgender stripper to perform during the conference. According to The Seattle Times, the stripper, Beyoncé Black St. James, “danced topless in a sheer bodysuit, gave lap dances and kissed attendees.” The audience — representatives from the region’s taxpayer-funded nonprofits and government agencies — clapped, cheered and handed St. James dollar bills.

Second news item: Elizabeth Warren’s purity test backfires, revealing her own stunning hypocrisy:

On a Saturday evening in June 2018, with temperatures in the 70s and the Red Sox playing at Fenway Park, supporters of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren gathered at the City Winery Boston for a fundraiser.

They were treated to songs by the Grammy-winning artist Melissa Etheridge and heard remarks from Warren, who was months away from announcing her campaign for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. For the top donors, those who could contribute or raise $5,400 per couple or $2,700 a person, there was a VIP photo reception and premium seating.

For them and others who gave at least $1,000, there was also a gift: a souvenir wine bottle…

In Thursday night’s Democratic presidential debate in Los Angeles, Warren lit into rival Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, for attending a fundraiser at a “wine cave” in California’s Napa Valley where he dined and sipped under a chandelier with Swarovski crystals and where a novelty large bottle of wine can cost $900.

Billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the United States,” Warren said. Later, she added, “I do not sell access to my time.”

…Even after her pledge not to hold private fundraisers, Warren has continued to attend the very kind of events for which she has criticized others. She has headlined fundraisers for the Democratic National Committee in settings that raise handsome sums, and she said she would continue to do that if she were the nominee, so that Democrats would not be at a financial disadvantage against President Donald Trump.

Third news item: Franklin Graham spills the beans about his father, and glosses over Trump’s behavior because the end justifies the means:

… Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed. I have not previously shared who my father voted for in the past election, but because of this article, I feel it is necessary to share it now. My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation.

Look at all the President has accomplished in a very short time. The economy of our nation is the strongest it has been in 50 years, ISIS & the caliphate have been defeated, and the President has renegotiated trade deals to benefit all Americans. The list of accomplishments is long, but for me as a Christian, the fact that he is the most pro-life president in modern history is extremely important—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that, to say it doesn’t count? The President has been a staunch defender of religious freedom at home and around the world—and Christianity Today wants us to ignore that? Also the President has appointed conservative judges in record number—and Christianity today wants us to ignore that? Christianity Today feels he should be removed from office because of false accusations that the President emphatically denies.

Is President Trump guilty of sin? Of course he is, as were all past presidents and as each one of us are, including myself.

Fourth news item: President Trump responds to Christianity Today’s editorial calling for his removal from office:

Fifth news item: Evangelicals to continue looking the other way with regard to Trump’s “moral deficiencies”:

President Trump’s re-election campaign announced the creation of an ‘Evangelicals for Trump’ coalition hours after the president feuded publicly with a Christian publisher Friday.

Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign said in an email Friday evening that the president will launch the “Evangelicals for Trump” group at an event in Miami on January 3, 2020.

“The event will bring together Evangelicals from across the nation who support President Trump’s re-election,” said the announcement.

Sixth news item: Making bank off the impeachment:

An official for President Trump’s 2020 campaign said Friday that it has raised $10 million over the course of two days following the historic impeachment vote in the House this week.

“That’s just in 48 hours, so two days, $5 million dollars a day,” Tim Murtaugh, the communications director of Trump’s reelection team, told Hill.TV. “The president’s reelection campaign gets bigger and stronger.”

“Every time the Democrats in the media into a frenzy like they did on Wednesday with the vote, we collect more data — we have greater interaction with the voters and we raise more money,” he added.

Have a great weekend.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

264 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (643cd6)

  2. The thing about Seattle, Dana, is that the voters picked “stay the course” last November. Expect more idiocy to come, such as their continuing to not enforce the law on homeless lawbreakers.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  3. Always trust DPRK News:

    Noted biblical scholar Donald Trump cancels subscription to Christianity Today.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  4. What’s so funny is, some people actually believe that Trump reads CT.

    Dana (643cd6)

  5. CT! I wondered what he meant by ET, but was overwhelmed by the claim that he reads at all.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/12/20/former-nsa-director-cooperating-durham-investigation/

    Former NSA director continues to help with the investigation.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  7. KOMO did a pretty good documentary on the homeless issue. Seattle is Dying

    Nic (896fdf)

  8. Always trust DPRK News:
    Noted biblical scholar Donald Trump cancels subscription to Christianity Today.
    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7) — 12/21/2019 @ 10:05 am

    bwahahahahaha

    That is hilarious.

    Problem is Trump is so vulnerable. Once you decide to look at him honestly, skeptically, from a moral standpoint, he’s a horrible person that no good person would every support. It’s one thing to say he’s the lesser of two evils (though a very stretched argument at this point, knowing just how corrupt he is, and how terribly helpful he is to the most evil people on the planet). It’s impossible for a good person to actually praise him.

    And so it’s easier for people to ‘redeem’ themselves. Could 20-30 GOP Senators have this brave moment where they say they can go no further with this charade? If they did, with the evil in DC today, they would only let us know at the very last moment.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  9. From what I understand, the Christianity Today editor resigned in October, and is leaving at the first part of January, so this is more a spiteful shot across the shoulder while running out the door than any kind of moral stance on his behalf.

    Georg Felis (0fff9e)

  10. YANG: It’s clear why Americans can’t agree on impeachment, we’re getting news from different sources, and it’s making it hard for us even to agree on basic facts. Congressional approval rating, last I checked, was something like 17 percent, and Americans don’t trust the media networks to tell them the truth.

    The media networks didn’t do us any favors by missing a reason why Donald Trump became our president in the first place. If your turn on cable network news today, you would think he’s our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton, and emails all mixed together.

    But Americans around the country know different.

    We blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri. I just left Iowa — we blasted 40,000 manufacturing jobs there.

    The more we act like Donald Trump is the cause of all our problems, the more Americans lose trust that we can actually see what’s going on in our communities and solve those problems.

    What we have to do is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment, which, unfortunately, strikes many Americans like a ball game where you know what the score is going to be, and actually start digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place. We have to take every opportunity to present a new positive vision for the country, a new way forward to help beat him in 2020 because, make no mistake, he’ll be there at the ballot box for us to defeat.

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Mr. Yang.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/20/transcript-december-democratic-debate/

    BuDuh (313be0)

  11. “Despite some $1 billion in public and private spending, more people live on the streets than ever before.“

    What is this word “despite”?

    Bob Smith (1446ac)

  12. Seattle is Dying.

    I was born in West Seattle and, as of right now, am a 39-minute drive from downtown. I worked on a major downtown real estate project for the last 21 months, so I’ve seen quite a bit of late. The documentary is excellent, especially the last 15 minutes where they show how Providence RI is solving the problem. Despite these viable prescriptions, the mayor and city council have barely done a thing and probably won’t because liberals and socialists are still running the show.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  13. From what I understand, the Christianity Today editor resigned in October, and is leaving at the first part of January, so this is more a spiteful shot across the shoulder while running out the door than any kind of moral stance on his behalf.

    Georg Felis (0fff9e) — 12/21/2019 @ 11:50 am

    LOL. Any time someone criticizes Trump, even for objectively true reasons, this is what they say. I wonder what blog twisted reality to make this brave editor into someone who isn’t speaking from his heart. I wonder how much cash is involved.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  14. more a spiteful shot across the shoulder while running out the door than any kind of moral stance on his behalf

    Explain the reason for the editor’s “spite.” If he’s trying to get back at someone, who is it, and for what?
    It’s amusing to see Trump defenders seeing spitefulness in other people, but never in Trump. I suspect that some apologists, somewhere in their soul, realize that they can’t refute the criticisms of Trump’s horrible character, so instead they accuse the critics of having evil motives for pointing out the obvious.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  15. From what I understand, the Christianity Today editor resigned in October, and is leaving at the first part of January, so this is more a spiteful shot across the shoulder while running out the door than any kind of moral stance on his behalf.

    That the editor is leaving in January does not mean that his beliefs about Trump and his moral deficiencies are nothing more than a shot across his bow. Rather his observations can be just as significant and spot-on as if he weren’t leaving the publication.

    Dana (643cd6)

  16. I wish someone in the media, somewhere, would have the bravery to speak out against Trump. Just once.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  17. From what I understand, the Christianity Today editor resigned in October, and is leaving at the first part of January, so this is more a spiteful shot across the shoulder while running out the door than any kind of moral stance on his behalf.

    Further, this reaction is yet another example of refusing to consider, and weigh out the claims about Trump and instead shoot the messenger. All further validating that no criticism of Trump is permitted.

    Dana (643cd6)

  18. @13 I was living in Seattle 20 years ago and, at the time, there was a pretty big gay and trans kids homeless problem, but that doesn’t seem to be the current issue and you don’t solve today’s problem with 20 years ago’s solution.

    Nic (896fdf)

  19. RIP – Junior Johnson

    harkin (15bd84)

  20. I wish someone in the media, somewhere, would have the bravery to speak out against Trump. Just once.

    That bravery doesn’t extend to Republicans in the House or Senate. Those who don’t bend the knee to Trump pay the price.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  21. “That bravery doesn’t extend to Republicans in the House or Senate. Those who don’t bend the knee to Trump pay the price.”
    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7) — 12/21/2019 @ 12:42 pm

    Bravery would be so much easier if they didn’t have to answer to the electorate. What a shame. Can’t we do something about this?

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  22. I wish someone in the media, somewhere, would have the bravery to speak out against Trump. Just once.

    I wish someone among the Trump apologists, just once, would acknowledge that when “the media” report things that don’t make Trump look good, it isn’t all just a bad-faith war against him for no reason at all.

    And I wish the Trump apologists, just once, would acknowledge that many of the worst indictments of Trump are the words from his own mouth. Critics aren’t just swallowing a “media narrative” pre-engineered against Trump. They are watching and listening to Trump.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  23. “Man is the most vicious of all animals and life is a series of battles ending in victory or defeat.”
    That’s Trump’s philosophy of life as he told it to People magazine. He has always lived on an “I win / you lose” principle, and he doesn’t exactly hide it as president, but tricks it out with patriotism and piety.
    Weirdly, his apologists think that the people who don’t think well of such a person are the ones with evil in their hearts.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  24. This little item in the NYTimes about a week ago is still making me chuckle.

    Along w Impeachment and racism hoaxes to soften up the fertile ground of the potential 2020 voter bloc, the msm is still also planting seeds of class and income jealousy rage. You never know what will secure votes:

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    The distribution of shells in one hermit crab population was surprisingly similar to the distribution of wealth in human societies.

    That may make hermit crabs one of the first animals known to experience wealth inequality.
    __ _

    Ian Miles Cheong
    @stillgray
    ·
    I hate to break it to you but every lifeform competes for resources and territory. Inequality ain’t just for humans and hermit crabs.
    __ _

    Jean Paul Zodeaux
    @JeanPaulZodeaux
    ·
    This is because crabs have never tried *real* socialism. I think they tried crab communism years and years and years ago, but even that wasn’t real communism.
    __ _

    Sandra
    @SandraShreve6
    ·
    The NYT denies that the fetus experiences pain but asserts that a hermit crab experiences wealth inequality.
    OK, then.

    _

    harkin (15bd84)

  25. In a new study for f.d.a doctors who take money from drug companies proscribe different drugs and more of them then doctors who don’t take drug company money. coincidence or free market capitalism in action!

    asset (402241)

  26. Bravery would be so much easier if they didn’t have to answer to the electorate.

    How is it “brave” abandon your principles and cave to the electorate? You’re basically admitting that an elected representative should just accede to whatever he thinks will get him elected and abandon any principle that would threaten his incumbency. This is the TrumpWorld we’re in.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  27. ithis reaction is yet another example of refusing to consider, and weigh out the claims about Trump

    Yang didn’t refuse to consider and he delivered a very reasoned assessment.

    BuDuh (313be0)

  28. You’re basically admitting that an elected representative should just accede to whatever he thinks will get him elected and abandon any principle that would threaten his incumbency.

    This isn’t very different from saying that an elected representative should basically take a poll of his constituency on every issue and just vote with the plurality. I don’t think that’s the right thing to do, but there are plenty of people — people whose opinions I tend to respect — who do.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  29. 29. The electorate likes to flatter itself. Voters think that they are much more important to the process and that voting is much more important to the process than our founding fathers intended it to be. To wit: the popular election of senators, enabled by the 17th amendment, was an important step towards the massive vote-buying scheme that our modern elections tend to amount to.

    Gryph (08c844)

  30. It’s also been termed the delegate versus trustee argument.

    urbanleftbehind (e5684c)

  31. When America truly was great: fifty-plus one years ago– Apollo 8 lifts off taking Man to the Moon for the first time, December 21, 1968.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEH12INI2Wk

    “One of the joys about the space program; everybody felt they had a piece of it. And they did.” – Poppy Northcutt, Apollo 8 NASA/TRW trajectory engineer

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Chuck,

    I see that point of view where a constituency’s opinions on high-profile issues are well known, but how many issues are like that? Often only a vocal minority, maybe even just a few people, are speaking out. And when it comes to Congressional elections, do we know what the voters are voting for when it comes to issues? Can we even identify what the plurality wants and does it stay consistent for the duration of the Congressional term in turbulent times like this?

    I live in a long-term decidedly red area where voters have overwhelmingly voted Republican, but I don’t think that translates into widespread agreement on high-profile issues. Some people are pro-choice and some pro-life, some are very engaged about the Second Amendment and some aren’t, some like DACA and others don’t, and some want trade protectionism or a Wall/deport illegals and some are very opposed to those things. Some want government to be involved and some want government to get out of their lives. Frankly, with Trump in office, I am not even sure my area is safe Republican in 2020.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. The New York Times
    @nytimes
    The distribution of shells in one hermit crab population was surprisingly similar to the distribution of wealth in human societies.

    Which trillion dollar plus Omnibus Spending Bill signed by Trump funded that study?

    nk (dbc370)

  34. There is an argument that economic disruption (like what happened in the war periods and even 2008) disrupts communities and causes migration, which results in changes to and a less homogenous local electorate.

    I don’t think economic migration/change is bad. In fact, I think societies have to change as technology changes (such as what happened after DCSCA’s beloved space program). But I also think disruptions like we experienced and are experiencing post-2008 are not conducive to cohesive politics.

    DRJ (15874d)

  35. 91 minutes after the “perfect” phone call, OMB directed the Pentagon to put a hold on military aid to Ukraine (link). Maybe Mulvaney could explain that under oath in the Senate trial.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  36. Not Seattle specifically, but Washington state

    Six-term Washington state Rep. Matt Shea is accused of participating “in an act of domestic terrorism against the United States,” according to a report released Thursday.

    Independent investigators commissioned by the Washington State House of Representatives found that Shea, as a leader of the Patriot Movement, “planned, engaged in, and promoted a total of three armed conflicts of political violence against the United States government” between 2014 and 2016.

    The report also concluded that Shea was involved in training young people to fight a “holy war.” He created a pamphlet called Biblical Basis for War and advocated replacing the government with a theocracy and “the killing of all males who do not agree.”

    https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/790192972/washington-legislator-matt-shear-accused-of-domestic-terrorism-report-finds

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  37. Shroom-head stoners, Davethulhu. You never know where they’ll “trip” to, and neither do they. In other parts of the country, it’s meth and moonshine and sweet, sweet Trump-love.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Matt Shea’s district is along the eastern border of the state, east of Spokane. It’s a deep red area and not too far from the white nationalists at Hayden Lake on the other side of the border.
    WA State is left-of-center in the counties fronting on Puget Sound and right-of-center everywhere else. There really should be two states, separated by the Pacific Crest Trail.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  39. https://www.foxnews.com/media/ralph-reed-evangelical-magazine-that-slammed-trump-should-change-name-to-christianity-yesterday

    Heh! The jackleg is right, at least as far as his cult is concerned, but he’ll probably get mad if you tell him why.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. 1. Failure is its own reward. Imagine how much better Seattle government would be if Donald Trump was mayor.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  41. 2. Warren is as much a liar as Trump — she’s just backed by all the right people. As a follower of neo-Marxist Thomas Piketty even her truthful utterances are based on lies.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  42. 3. When has this blog otherwise cared about what Franklin Graham thinks? How far from “logic” can one get?

    Kevin M (19357e)

  43. 4. Fight illogic with illogic. They deserve each other

    Kevin M (19357e)

  44. 5. Evangelicals supported Bill Clinton, too.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  45. 6. “If it bleeds, it leads” is as true for political fund-raising as it is for newspapers.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  46. Six-term Washington state Rep. Matt Shea

    First reaction: what report, by whom? (A: Rampart Group, LLC) Not mentioned in the story.

    Second reaction: Are you now, or have you ever been involved in a militia movement?

    We have an avowed Communist and a closeted Communist running for the Democrat nomination. THAT seems to be OK, but this is not. (And I thinks this shouldn’t be, but people’s tolerance for those who have no regard for people, property or the Constitution seems to be more active for those on the Left.)

    Kevin M (19357e)

  47. @35.Take note of Poppy: it’s not “my” ‘beloved space program.’

    It’s ours.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. @48 IMO Part of the reason that Bernie is able to run is because the terms Communist and Socialist have been so overused in improper circumstances that are are diluted to almost nothing and now have no meaning. Fascist has almost the same problem.

    Nic (896fdf)

  49. Not only did Trump withhold military aid because “Putin told me” that Ukraine was corrupt, Trump refused to provide military aid to Ukraine in the latest $1.4 trillion appropriation, because he’s f*cking idiot who is still chumped by the dictator of a hostile foreign power.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  50. “First reaction: what report, by whom? (A: Rampart Group, LLC) Not mentioned in the story.”

    I’m not sure what your point is. The remainder of the state Republicans seem to find it persuasive enough that they removed him from all committees and are urging him to resign.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  51. Yes, they did, but the reporter did not inform his readers. For all I knew it came from Tass until I drilled down and discovered the group’s name, AND (further digging) that it was not a partisan front.

    It is the reporter’s job to inform, and they blew it.

    That the state GOP ran and hid doesn’t mean anything — I expect they are as feckless as those in CA.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  52. Billy Graham did get too involved in politics, and expressed regret about it. He said:

    “Evangelists can’t be closely identified with any particular party or person. We have to stand in the middle to preach to all people, right and left. I haven’t been faithful to my own advice in the past. I will be in the future.”

    And

    “It it would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it.”

    Both quotes from Parade Magazine 1981.

    Whether or not he voted for Trump, the quotes speak for themselves. His son is a different type of person.

    JRH (52aed3)

  53. Noooooo!!!

    CAROL STREAM, IL—In a scathing opinion piece published Thursday by Christianity Today, the evangelical magazine’s editor-in-chief Mark Galli made the case for President Trump’s removal from the Holy Trinity. “The president has demonstrated repeatedly that he lacks the ethical convictions necessary for us to continue worshipping him as a part of the triune God,” said Galli, explaining that when Trump was seated at the right hand of the Father, many Christians assumed his behavior would by extension be righteous and godly, but this has not been the case. “While it is not a decision we undertake lightly, our position is firm: If we do not reverse course now—if we continue to accept Mr. Trump as our Lord and Savior in spite of his blackened moral record—who will take the evangelical community seriously in the years to come?” Galli’s editorial goes on to reassure readers the magazine supports the deification of Vice President Pence, who in the event of Trump’s removal would ascend to a place alongside the Father and the Holy Spirit.

    The left-leaning folks at The Onion are trying, but The Bee is still funnier.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  54. https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/20/the-deep-state-resistance-terrorized-innocent-americans-including-me/

    JD Gordon responds to the terror he’s experienced thanks to NeverTrump and the Resistance’s lies and smears about him and those who worked with him.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  55. @56 Trump supporters, who appear to heavily dislike anyone not exactly like them, somehow have not persuaded people not like them to vote for their candidates.

    Shocking.

    Also your article included legal immigrants and US citizens.

    Also Also, get better arguments and people might support them. Keep telling them they are unpeople and likely they won’t.

    Also Also Also, the sky is not falling.

    Nic (896fdf)

  56. httpf://www.gerbilnewsnetwork.moc/post/trump-putin-erdogan-kim-are-tied-to-bedposts-when-spanked-with-magazines

    nk (dbc370)

  57. If your boss is calling you in the middle of the night and berating you over a typo, get a new boss. And please, please, don’t elect her President of the United States. But that name…. Amy…. sounds so sweet doesn’t it?

    Her debate skills are pretty good but she is not debating me in the middle of the night.

    noel (f22371)

  58. David Corn spanking with his Mother Jones, nk?

    mg (8cbc69)

  59. Dana: “What’s so funny is, some people actually believe that Trump reads CT.”

    Trump Claims He is Reading Again.

    noel (f22371)

  60. JD Gordon responds to the terror he’s experienced…

    He lost me in first paragraph, saying Trump was “terrorized” and an “innocent American”. Trump is more a terrorizer than terrorized, and he’s guilty as sin.
    Though Gordon complained about smears, he said not word about who smeared him and what the smears were. The facts are that he had a conversation with Kislyak, he had influence over changing the GOP platform and he put forward a change that softened our support of Ukraine, and it was the only change to the platform that the Trump campaign sought. Gordon’s contacts with Kislyak was appropriately investigated by the Special Counsel.
    He partly brought this on himself because he changed his story.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  61. Oh, and Mr. Gordon must have nice noises with Kislyak in that three-to-five-minute face-to-face conversation because, not two weeks later, Kislyak invited Gordon to his ambassadorial residence to recruit him as a Russian asset for a cozy breakfast meeting. Not being politically tone-deaf, Gordon declined the invite.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  62. BBC News (World)
    @BBCWorld
    Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline
    __ _

    David Harsanyi
    @davidharsanyi

    Worst asset ever
    __ _

    harkin (15bd84)

  63. Good morning, Dana. And now for something completely apolitical.

    I completely agree with Corbin Smith in his review of Cats.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-taylor-swifts-cats-is-the-death-knell-of-the-hollywood-musical?ref=scroll

    I haven’t seen the movie or the play, heard the soundtrack, and after reading this review, I never will. Smith’s argument that Hollywood simply cannot make musicals anymore. Directors have forgotten or moved away from the whole purpose of a musical, which is to focus on human performance. He’s right that most musicals are kind of stupid thematically, but audiences love seeing truly talented actors sing and dance. To illustrate his point he imbeds a scene from the 1950 film Summer Stock, where Gene Kelly is alone in a barn that has a creaky floorboard and a newspaper on the floor, and begins an improvisational dance. The floorboard makes one sound, the newspaper another, and Kelly’s tap shoes provide rhythm. It’s really quite brilliant. Smith observes that the director knew the proper use of a camera is to capture the dance and just let Kelly perform.

    Not so with Cats, which Smith describes as a horror show. Instead of using talented actors in costumes and letting them perform, the director employs computer generated imaging and close-ups to transmogrify them into hideous cat people, thereby losing the human element.

    It’s the reason why the original Planet of the Apes was so much better than the computer generated remake. Actors in costumes are far superior to computer images with voice overs. They connect more to an audience.

    Corbin Smith didn’t like Cats much to begin with (he had sing songs from it in his high school choir), but it did have one of the more successful runs on Broadway. However, he finds the movie sadly horrifying.

    That’s too bad, because Andrew Lloyd Webber was once a very good songwriter. When he teamed up with lyricist Tim Rice to compose Jesus Christ Superstar, they produced possibly the greatest rock opera of all time. What an album that was. Then it was made into a play and later a movie. Of course, the Evangelicals went berserk, calling it blasphemy, even though Rice’s lyrics follow scripture closely, just set in terms of modern vernacular and with a humanist twist. (Which is something writers have been doing for centuries.) I never saw the play, but I did watch the movie, and it was disappointing. The director had to include images of tanks and what not to make it into an anti-Viet Nam war film. But that was never the theme of the album, and it was not what Webber and Rice intended.

    Movie directors taking artist’s work and deforming it. That’s Hollywood today. Over reliance on technology and special effects, at the expense of character and plot, drama and human performance.

    And it’s not just Hollywood. Look at Boeing. Business Insider reported last week that they were postponing production of the 737 Max, and will most likely cancel the entire fleet, to the loss of billions. Why? Because the plane has a structural design flaw that cannot be fixed by a software program. Several pilots complained about the plane, but were ignored by management, before the two crashes that killed hundreds.

    Over reliance on technology is a terrible thing. Computers remove the human element. Whether it’s in film or on planes, it often ends in disaster.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  64. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/12/we-now-know-perps-chumps-of-the-msm-pulitzer-prize-edition.php

    Every time the Times or WaPost is quoted as an authoritative cite for why Trump is wrong and deserves to be removed just remember they lied to the public and played a big part in this scam.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  65. From that review:

    Now, look: Cats is a bad musical in and of itself, the product of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s diseased mind, the nadir of musical theater as an art form.

    A review of an ALW musical by someone who admits to hating ALW musicals would only be surprising if they liked the production.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  66. As for musicals being doomed, let me know when Wicked! closes.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  67. “The left-leaning folks at The Onion are trying, but The Bee is still funnier.”

    So is Titania McGrath:

    Titania McGrath
    @TitaniaMcGrath
    I’m going to organise a protest against that hideous nazi terf JK Rowling.

    In order to oppose her obvious fascism, I suggest we meet at midnight and burn as many copies of her books as possible.

    If you don’t own any, they’re all available on Amazon.
    _

    harkin (15bd84)

  68. Hamilton is a musical. =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. 11. I am almost surprised that Yang missed the spread of opioid addiction, and the deaths that resulted from crackdown on the sale of legal prescription opioids. People who were addicted didn’t magically become unaddicted. There couldn’t have been anything more stupid and doctrinaire to do – assuming you weren’t interested in increasing mortality.

    I think the decline of manufacturing played a minor role. But that’s his shtick. Not only manufacturing but all unskilled jobs are going away so everybody needs to get $1,000 a month, which they can use for political contributions.

    Sammy Finkelman (9966eb)

  70. Smith observes that the director knew the proper use of a camera is to capture the dance and just let Kelly perform.

    Some videographers apparently think their job is to create an original work of art rather than show us what was already created by the performers & choreographers et al. I’ve seen wonderful dances chopped into incoherent bits by self-indulgent videographers, and it’s maddening.

    Over reliance on technology and special effects, at the expense of character and plot, drama and human performance.

    Here’s a low-budget, low-tech music video that runs mostly on imagination and personality. The performer is clearly not trying to dance like Gene Kelly, but the uninhibited dance is a little bit of genius. Mark has been part of some quite extravagant shows too, but the personalities of the star performers in the moment are always a crucial element.

    Radegunda (0e8745)

  71. @67 “Cats” is a unique enough conceptual musical that I don’t think we can use it to represent the genre as a whole. It’s pretty much made for weird, experimental techniques and it’s only very loosely hung together with a very thin thread of a story line anyway. And I say that as a person who likes “Cats” and has seen it as a stage production.

    Nic (896fdf)

  72. A friend of mine caught The Producers when it was the hot ticket in NY. His brief verbal review was interesting:

    “It’s really quite horrible and an insult to the film. The audience seemed to be there more for the event than the performance. It’s remarkably awful”

    This was confirmed by the film of the musical
    _

    harkin (15bd84)

  73. Just eat your bread and be grateful you have so much entertainment you can afford to like it or dislike it, proles!

    nk (dbc370)

  74. BTW, Gawains’ Ghost, I downloaded Raymond Smullyan’s What Is The Name Of This Book: …., and skimmed ahead to the Dracula exercise. It 1) gave me a headache 2) and reaffirmation of my decision to drop Philosophy 101 in the first week and never take another Philosophy course again.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. Yeah, well, nk, What is the Name of This Book? will really make you think. It makes you wonder what all these philosophers, beginning with Plato (who banned poets from his Republic), are really talking about. It’s certainly not about logic, no matter how much they pretend it’s about reason.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  76. David French, his final paragraph on the Christianity Today op-ed:

    As I read the Christianity Today essay, I was reminded once again of the words of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: “You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.” Donald Trump is bringing an avalanche of lies into this world. It’s time for Christians once again to consider whether they want those lies to come through them—through their votes and their voices.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  77. LA to Seattle:
    “Hold my beer!”

    steveg (354706)

  78. Item #2
    There are still people out there who are surprised by Warren’s hypocrisy?

    steveg (354706)

  79. Item #3
    Trump has supported Christian religious liberty even if he has no idea what that means
    Plus Franklin had his own checkered past before inheriting Dad’s franchise (my father worked for Billy Graham at Northwestern Bible College after WWII)
    Maybe Franklin believes in grace or something equally as nebulous

    steveg (354706)

  80. Item #4
    At least Trump is consistent. You poke at him, he punches back… oh… and a majority of people love that about him.

    steveg (354706)

  81. Should have said a majority of Republican voters love that about him and project that defensive into their own space

    steveg (354706)

  82. #5
    See #3 and #4

    steveg (354706)

  83. #6

    See #85

    steveg (354706)

  84. Lets talk about investment opportunities in the field of teledildonics

    steveg (354706)

  85. @75. Saw Cats on Broadway in 1987. Worth it- stays w/you even 34 years later. Caught Ginger Rogers in London in Mame, in ’71 or ’70– memorable as well. But the most memorable and enjoyable was an off-Broadway show in ’67 – ‘You’re A Good Man Charlie Brown’ – w/a young Gary Burghoff, pre-MASH fame, as Charlie Brown, if memory serves. What made such a lasting impression for 50-plus years was the set– it was just a few geometric shapes on a stage; the actors brought Schulz’s characters to life around just those shapes. Was at the height of the Snoopy/Red Baron craze an a lot of fun for the family.

    Musicals all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. @76. A bit harsh- Mel was in charge. The film and/of the show added the more risque type of material he likely couldn’t get into the ‘original ’67 film, although the original remains by far the better treatment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. Boris Johnson Wishes Jews A Happy Chanukah

    https://youtu.be/tx2t2qz0RhI

    harkin (15bd84)

  88. A Prime Minister named Boris…

    And Putin smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. @87. Oops – 32 years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. @67. Best rock operas: Tommy & Quadrophenia

    JCSS: a bore.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. Oh, please. A Night at the Opera is better than either one of those two. And Jesus Christ Superstar exceeds all three.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  92. you can build a functional, profitable nation out of a bucket of only Trump supporters.

    I suppose, if you’re content with 19th century technological competence.

    Or maybe you can hire Russians for anything that high school math and science can’t handle.

    Dave (1bca22)

  93. So I asked a logician if his new baby was a boy or a girl and he said “Yes”.

    Then we were both banned from the Seattle University of Science for binarism.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. So the Pentagon buys a super-computer to run its war games. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Jack D. Ripper, asks it: “Should the Blue Army advance to the left or right flank of the Red Army?” The computer answers “Yes”. General Ripper asks “Yes what?” The computer snaps back “Yes, sir!”

    nk (dbc370)

  95. @96. Shorter: it’s a musical.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. So in Episode 7 of The Mandalorian, Werner Herzog’s character says a few words about how things were better during the Empire.

    I had to laugh out loud. It’s certainly true about the Star Wars franchise.

    Not that the original three were anything to risk getting chewing gum on the bottom of your shoes from a theater floor for, but they were better than the prequels, the sequels, and all the spinoffs (with the possible exception of the Phineas and Ferb episode).

    Extra bonus clip.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/22/2019 @ 4:20 pm
    I remember You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown…I must have seen it the same year you did. This was in Boston; my mother took me as a special treat. It was probably the second the ater piece I had ever seen (a regional production of Camelot lives dimly in my memory). Yourdescription of the scenery matches my memory exactly. The cast list of course made no i oression on me (I was 8 years old).

    Greatest piece of live theater I have ever seen came about nine years later, watching Jack Klugman in All My Sons. I have never seen a better piece of acting in my life than what Klugman achieved. And it was actually just a dress rehearsal before the touring production opened in Fort Lauderdale.

    Kishnevi (3734a9)

  98. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/12/help-im-being-held-prisoner.php

    Does this qualify as free trade or should sanctions/negotiations apply?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  99. I think it qualifies as a hoax. And it’s not even April 1.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. This was confirmed by the film of the musical

    Indeed.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  101. Here we are in day 4 of Wily E. Pelosi’s crafty scheme to have an impeachment in the Senate conducted under rules not concocted by the Senate majority. What’s the news?

    Well, there were some new Trump/Ukraine documents released by Court order showing that military aid to Ukraine was suspended shortly after the infamous call. On the Trump nefarious scale, not too huge an item, but maybe worth a day or two of coverage.

    But what’s out there instead? Articles suggesting that (i) Trump isn’t truly impeached or (ii) McConnell has every right to start the impeachment trial now. Instead of stories about Trump’s ongoing criminality, we have the media, yet again, focused on process. If you doubt me, take a look at memeorandum. (Item 5 on process, nothing on actual Ukraine matters, as of 9:20 AM)

    When the history of the 2019-2020 impeachment is written, the GOP will be the villain. But Pelosi isn’t going to win any plaudits for the way she has payed this.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  102. The media wants NEWS! F*** them! Pay somebody to f*** them.

    If the House had sent the impeachment to the Senate last week, the hue and cry from the TrumpKlan would have been “Rushed through!” “Railroaded!” Where’s the Dude’s (sic) Process?” Even if she had said she would send the impeachment when Congress reconvenes after the Christmas break, the hue and cry from the TrumpKlan would have been “Rushed through!” “Railroaded!” “Where’s the Dude’s (sic) Process?”

    As long as it’s sent when Congress reconvenes after the Christmas break. I don’t want the orange to be too old and frail to stand up before the firing squad when he’s removed and afterwards tried for treason.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. removed and afterwards tried for treason.

    Yes. Then convicted and executed. You could drop him off Kishnevi’s 26,000 foot tall lighthouse in the Bahamas. That would be, like, soooo cool.

    PTw (894877)

  104. I followed NJRob’s Powerline link @103 and perusing a little saw that they also believe, correctly, that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered. But they don’t discuss the fact that the only ones with means and opportunity were Bill Barr’s Bureau of Prisons, and Bill Barr doesn’t fart unless it relieves Trump’s tummy-ache.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. #107

    There’s nothing wrong with ministerial delay. If Nancy P. had kept quiet and sent the impeachment up upon return from Christmas holidays, nobody would have noticed or cared. Instead, she chose to make an issue of it.

    In the great scheme of things, it’s all probably nothing. But somebody felt that Nancy had to look like she’s being clever, and advised this step. And, as they wisely observe in This Is Spinal Tap, “There is a fine line between clever and stupid”.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  106. Don’t believe it when they tell you that Biden is the one to beat. The debate showed who they rest are aiming at and Bernie just went after the “wine caves” too. I seriously doubt that wine is going to move voters for more than a couple of hours.

    noel (f22371)

  107. It also calls to mind if the white half of the Biden coalition is a stock reply to pollsters for “Trump, but I’m not going to tell you

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  108. Pete is certainly a hit with women. What’s up with that? Does he bring out their maternal instinct?

    But what’s up with him being seriously considered for the Presidency by anyone? He’s barely 38-years old, he held down one real-world job for less than three years, his military service was in the Naval Reserve with an alleged seven-month deployment to Afghanistan (a desk-job in a double-landlocked place), he’s been the mayor of 100,000 population town for eight years, and now he thinks he can be the ruler of the world? That’s scary, from a lot of perspectives. From his ambitions, not to say grandiose delusions, to the absolute sh!ttiness of the other contenders.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. One of my summer interns from several years ago was Naval Reserve out of a Detroit-based supply depot, but at least that town touches international waterways and had a shipbuilding legacy (that gave it an edge to build from for the automobile age).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  110. 103.

    There’s secret message written in English in ROMAN capital letters (probably more than one attempt was made) smuggled out in a Christmas card:

    “We are foreign prisoners in Shanghai Qingpu prison China Forced to work against our will. Please help us and notify human rights organisation. Use the link to contact Mr. Peter Humphrey.”

    (He had held in the same prison, and the link was to some article he had written.)

    So what does the card manufacturing company do? Does it try to help them? No, just the opposite.

    They cut off their link to a friendly source in the outside world.

    Powerline:

    Today, Tesco said: “We abhor the use of prison labour and would never allow it in our supply chain. We were shocked by these allegations and immediately suspended the factory where these cards are produced and launched an investigation. We have also withdrawn these cards from sale whilst we investigate.”

    The prisoners would have been in trouble anyway, or procedures would have been changed. Peter Humphrey, or the greeting cad company, should not have said a word about how the message was smuggled out. And the company should have made it easier to smuggle out messages. But all they did is they took it a possible criticism of the company.

    “They use prison labour.”

    They only cared about their purity. They didn’t do a thing to help the prisoners.

    They could have maybe forced China to upgrade the conditions there. Scheduled an inspection. Treied to establish a more regular form of communication. Maybe gotten a few out, by pretending they found out some other way. Just making inquiries about some of the people there, by name. Sent parcels.

    Although they wold have to be careful what they tried.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  111. the spelling of “organisation” with an -s instead of -z and “labour” with a -ou is an important clue and raises several questions:

    1. In English instruction in China, are the American English or British Commonwealth spellings usually taught..can that vary widely between schools/instructors?

    2. If the workers were not formally educated in English but learned the words phonetically they could have seen Tesco/subcontractor materials and then pieced together their message using spellings that were ready available from observations in the factory.

    3. Perhaps this is also a hoax in the form of practical joke, or a scam to obtain funds from sympathetic but unsuspecting consumers.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  112. Crash and burn: Boeing fires CEO Dennis Muilenburg. 737 Max… Starliner clock snfu… ’bout time.

    Hit the silk, Nikki!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. 113. nk (dbc370) — 12/23/2019 @ 8:45 am

    he’s been the mayor of 100,000 population town for eight years,

    And he’s incompetent too, or just doesn’t understand social dynamics, but doesn’t, or didn’t, realize it.

    He;s been criticized both by “progressives” and by conservatives:

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:C8goYOWuB9wJ:https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/mayor-petes-war-on-the-homeless+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/22/pete-buttigieg-progressive-saint

    [When he praised himself in the Democratic debate on November 20] was he talking about his genius plan to set up modular homes for the homeless, in this case donated by a local university? Mayor Pete put the homes up in a vacant lot across from the fire station and thought: Here I am, solving problems! The units became such hives of criminal activity that neighbors complained and Buttigieg was left to spend $41,000 to clean up the mess by removing the units. It turns out — who knew that McKinsey doesn’t teach this? — that “solving homelessness” requires a lot more thought than “creating homes and inviting drug addicts to move in.” McKinsey works on the principle that everyone wants his business to operate better. Out there in the cold of a depressed city, not everyone is so nice. The Board of Public Works passed a resolution declaring the buildings have zero value.

    Summing up the disastrous experiment, an observer from the community college said, “They went into this with the best intentions.” Is there a better eight-word summary of liberalism? …

    A lot of the homeless were probably homeless because they were drug addicts who paid for their drugs with unreported income derived through crime, or maybe had been evicted for, in essence, not getting along with people. And Mayor Pete just caved in instead of trying again to do thinngs in in a different way..

    He was criticized for having made a statement eight years ago that black Americans often lack positive role models by someone who said that’s not true, and indeed it is not quite true; the problem is not the <i< absence of positive role modes; the problem is the presence of negative role models, and mentors. We need more students suspended from schools.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  114. I think that it’s a scam by the Widddicombe family to showcase their totally adorbs six-year old with a card they block-printed printed themselves, and with the before, during and after the fact connivance of the journalist. That is my opinion and I am allowed to express it in America. Were anyone to express it where Great Britain used to be, I could be sued for libel and slander and the truth would not necessarily be a defense. That’s why the innocuous non-statement statement by the card company.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. @113. He’s not a known plagiarist.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. That progressive link is no good.

    They had actually selected for drug addicts forgetting, or neglecting to realize, that drug addicts needed to steal to pay for their drugs, or even alcohol. Apparently they were never used – they were supposed to be shelters for the night but some people knew about them and broke in to steal building parts.

    https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/south-bend-paying-to-throw-out-portable-buildings-donated-for/article_324adf76-868a-5c3e-af3e-4128d9e6f0b5.html?mod=article_inline

    “The city is removing the units because they have become a safety hazard to the surrounding neighborhood,” said city spokeswoman Cara Grabowski. “The units have been broken into multiple times and have become deteriorated beyond repair.”

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  117. BTW, foreign and domestic prisoners in United States prisons can be, and are, forced to work against their will. It is the one exception to the Thirteenth Amendment.

    Also, the well-known author Donald E. Westlake wrote a novel Help, I’m Being Held Prisoner in 1974, about a prisoner in a U.S. state prison who included the message with the license plates he was making.

    Pass the salt-shaker, please.

    nk (dbc370)

  118. I they could be sued for libel and slander

    nk (dbc370)

  119. “I’m never afraid and I’m rarely surprised.” – Nancy Pelosi

    Trump won.

    Now why do you make America some coffee and clean House, dear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. But what’s up with him being seriously considered for the Presidency by anyone? He’s barely 38-years old, he held down one real-world job for less than three years, his military service was in the Naval Reserve with an alleged seven-month deployment to Afghanistan (a desk-job in a double-landlocked place), he’s been the mayor of 100,000 population town for eight years, and now he thinks he can be the ruler of the world?

    Well said, nk.

    At a minimum, he should have a few seasons hosting a reality TV game-show under his belt before aspiring to the throne.

    Dave (1bb933)

  121. I’d say he should host an NYE overnight show, but that lane is already taken by Cohen/Cooper on the mandatory Airport/Gym network.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  122. Seen on the interwebs:

    Salman Rushdie to JK Rowling:

    “Welcome to the party pal!”
    _

    harkin (d6cfee)

  123. Thank you for the segue to America’s possibly 3rd favorite Christmas movie.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  124. DCSCA @120. In 1987, Joe Biden was not so much a plagiarist, as a liar about his own biography.

    Calling his lifting of some words or ideas from Neil Kinnock’s plagiarism is being kind. He lifted bits of Neil Kinnock’s life history. (he had mentioned Neil Kinnock for awhile but later apparently stopped mentioning him.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html

    In addition, Mr. Biden said that in his talks invoking that speech, by Neil Kinnock, the Labor Party leader, he had miscast some of his own forebears, painting them as having rather more humble origins than they in fact did. For example, borrowing Mr. Kinnock’s sentiments, Mr. Biden had said he was ”the first in his family ever to go to university.” In fact, Mr. Biden said today, ”there are Finnegans, my mother’s family, that went to college.”

    He also, separately, lied about his rank in law school. (he claimed he was in the upper half – he was 76th in a class of 85.)

    There were other things that were maybe just plagiarism.

    A Wikepedia article:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_1988_presidential_campaign

    …tells you that in a February 3, 1987, speech to the California Democratic Party he reused passages from a 1967 speech by Robert F. Kennedy, and in 1985 and 1986 he reused a passage from a 1976 speech by Hubert H. Humphrey. (without saying it was a quote) and in the California case he’d also used a short phrase from the 1961 inaugural address of John F. Kennedy. But maybe that was short, and also familiar to people and shouldn’t count.

    We still don’t know who it was that publicized all this – aides to Dukakis played some part and Dukakis fired his campaign manager John Sasso.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/441028-schneider-how-i-inadvertently-helped-joe-biden-ruin-his-first-white-house-run

    I had just covered the 1987 British general election. Kinnock, the Labour Party leader, was a brilliant orator. Academy award-winning filmmaker Hugh Hudson (“Chariots of Fire”) had produced a party political broadcast about Kinnock’s life that created a sensation in the U.K. During a British political campaign, the major political parties are given free television time. Each party has to make ten-minute videos to fill the time every evening. Kinnock’s video remains the most powerful political broadcast I have ever seen. I witnessed that broadcast move Conservative Party audiences to tears. (In the video, Kinnock’s parents are shown wearing standard issue National Health Service eyeglasses. It was an image that connected with British audiences immediately.) I asked a British television producer to make me a copy of the ad so I could share it with friends in the United States.

    When I returned to the U.S., I discovered that the British tape was incompatible with U.S. videotape specifications and had to be transferred to a different format. I took it to a political consultant who happened to be working for another 1988 Democratic presidential candidate, Richard Gephardt. The consultant transferred the tape and kept a copy. Why not? It was a public document. But one that few Americans had seen… For the record, I also showed the ad to Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, who did not run for president in 1988.

    A few months later, I was attending an academic conference at an inn deep in the French countryside. The innkeeper knocked on my door late one night and told me I had a telephone call from The New York Times. It was political writer Maureen Dowd, who had tracked me down on an Alp. She asked me if I knew how Biden might have obtained a copy of the Kinnock videotape. “Yes,” I replied. “I showed it to the senator, and he asked me if he could make a copy of it.”

    Biden had lifted passages from Kinnock’s dramatic story of his own life and that of his family. Sometimes Biden used Kinnock’s words with attribution, sometimes not. Dowd had received an anonymous tape that showed Kinnock’s speech and Biden’s speech (without attribution to Kinnock) side by side. The result was a feeding frenzy in the press — Gary Hart had been driven out of the race just a few months earlier for sexual improprieties. It was a foolish thing for Biden to do, and he was forced to leave the 1988 race…

    ….I explained that Sen. Biden had actually appropriated someone else’s life, depicting the struggles of Kinnock’s family as those of his own.

    ….The one loose end in the story was the identity of the person who sent Maureen Dowd the anonymous “attack video” showing the Kinnock and Biden speeches side by side. Some pointed fingers at Gephardt, who had access to the tape. The truth came out at the end of 1987, when candidate Michael Dukakis discovered that his campaign manager, John Sasso, had sent out blind copies of the attack tape. Dukakis fired Sasso to show his disapproval of “dirty tricks.” But how did Sasso get the Kinnock tape? He got it from my editor at The Atlantic, a mutual friend of both myself and Sasso who had asked me for a copy.

    I auapect the hand of Bill Clinton was responsible for getting this out.

    Once he decided not to run for president in July 1987, he got behind Dukakis – probably so that he might get another chance in 1992 if the Democratic nominee lost and what was a better formula for losing than to nominate a Massachusetts liberal?

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  125. About the evangelicals embracing Trump (CT editor in chief notwithstanding). Its kinda like evangelicals felt threatened and unable to defend themselves so they hired some muscle — a mercenary — to do their fighting for them. The muscle of course is Trump. He doesn’t share their values but he is an effective battler in the culture war arena. The question I’d have is — is that what Christianity is about? Winning the culture war? And, is this winning?

    JRH (52aed3)

  126. @130, How many years have been an Evangelical Christian?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  127. @131. Way longer than you’ve been a trump defender.

    JRH (52aed3)

  128. “Congress can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time!” – Sen. Bernie Sanders

    As can most children, Bernard.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. #130

    The question I’d have is — is that what Christianity is about? Winning the culture war? And, is this winning?

    JRH (52aed3) — 12/23/2019 @ 11:44 am

    In some ways… yes.

    Things like the War on Christmas wasn’t a figment of one’s imagination.

    Politics *is* downstream from culture.

    The other thing I would point out is that endorsing Trump to be your President is NOT the same thing as endorsing Trump’s character flaws.

    whembly (c30c83)

  130. The other thing I would point out is that endorsing Trump to be your President is NOT the same thing as endorsing Trump’s character flaws.

    That is a convenient rationalization.

    It’s also untrue.

    Dave (1bb933)

  131. 134. I bet that Bill Clinton’s fans said the same thing about him back in the 1990s. It’s no truer today than it was 25 years ago.

    Gryph (08c844)

  132. 2020 SR 1:

    “Any Articles of Impeachment must be presented to the Senate for trial within 30 days of passage, or the charges are dismissed with prejudice.”

    Kevin M (19357e)

  133. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

    http://www.barnonegroup.com/2017/12/merry-christmas-from-mason-williams.html

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  134. #137: I made that up, just in case you’re looking for it. But they oughtta

    Kevin M (19357e)

  135. #137: I made that up, just in case you’re looking for it.

    Be careful. Adam Schiff was received a presidential deathmark for doing something similar.

    Dave (1bb933)

  136. 116. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 12/23/2019 @ 9:19 am

    the spelling of “organisation” with an -s instead of -z and “labour” with a -ou is an important clue and raises several questions:

    The word “labour” there is written by Tesco, in England. Organisation was in the message, assuming that the spelling was “corrected.”.

    The message in the gift card was probably written by just one person, who was held in the same prison as Peter Humphrey had been held in. In fact, Peter Humphrey thinks he has a good idea of who that person was!

    It is interesting that the writer of the message in the gift card knows of URLs but not of the ability, outside of China, to search and find out things – he expects Peter Humphrey to be contacted through his old newspaper, which is what would have happened before the world wide web. He might be showing his age, too.

    There is probably a simple explanation for the unusual (for China) British English that we would know if we knew more about China or its prisoners.

    Peter Humphrey described his imprisonment himself in 2018 and one of the (minor) things he mentioned was that there is prison labor there.

    https://www.ft.com/content/db8b9e36-1119-11e8-940e-08320fc2a277

    Excerpt:

    ….The prison was a business, doing manufacturing jobs for companies. Mornings, afternoons and often during the after-lunch nap, prisoners “laboured” in the common room. Our men made packaging parts. I recognised well-known brands — 3M, C&A, H&M…

    In that prison they still had a little bit of that business of obtaining confessions, and promising (not necessarily giving too much) better treatment familiar from the time of Mao. Obtaining confessions goes back to 1949 and before and includes of course prisoners held during the Korean War.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  137. Boeing fires CEO Dennis Muilenburg

    Boeing CEOs used to be engineers, the thinking being that the engineers in them would refuse to let a software program cover for an un-airworthy plane.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  138. The software program was supposed to cover for unskilled pilots. Of course, pilots needed to be more skilled than they needed to be on previous Boeing aircraft. The second plane crashed because the frustrated pilots out back on the autopilot. But that doomed them.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  139. “ Thank you for the segue to America’s possibly 3rd favorite Christmas movie.”

    https://twitter.com/johnnysmooth/status/1208578311988879360?s=20

    After A Christmas Story and Psycho, right?

    harkin (c0ad39)


  140. Brian Stelter
    @brianstelter
    ·
    Spot-on, @Sulliview: “In an unceasing effort to be seen as neutral, journalists time after time fell into the trap of presenting facts and lies as roughly equivalent and then blaming political tribalism for not seeming to know the difference.” https://washingtonpost.com
    __ _

    Charlie Kirk
    @charliekirk11
    ·
    Media hoaxes in 2019:

    Covington Catholic

    Jussie Smollett

    Russian Collusion

    Ukraine Quid Pro Quo

    Army/Navy “White Supremacy”

    What do they all have in common?

    Every one was intended to take down Trump

    And every single one was fake news
    __ _

    harkin (c0ad39)

  141. I would have thought It’s a Wonderful Life is #2… or have too much of the Boomer and pre Boomer cohorts left the coil?

    urbanleftbehind (a009ac)

  142. https://therightscoop.com/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tells-crowd-at-bernie-rally-america-is-not-an-advanced-society-but-fascism/

    JVW’s clueless niece calling America fascist while trying to push fascism. I’d call it sad if it wasn’t so dangerous.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  143. It was a design flaw, Sammy. I know at least a couple guys who worked at the Renton plant, and they were just shaking their heads. Management tried to cut corners by stuffing a new engine design onto an existing airframe, and then tried to cover the flaw with software.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  144. Media hoaxes in 2019:
    Covington Catholic
    Jussie Smollett
    Russian Collusion
    Ukraine Quid Pro Quo
    Army/Navy “White Supremacy”

    None of those was a “media hoax”. Charlie Kirk is lying.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. @153

    Interesting. American Thinker pushes the TWA 800 hoax to strengthen the claim that Russian collusion is a hoax.
    Whereas in fact the idea that the collusion and quid pro quo are hoaxes is itself a hoax that shows the level of mendacity to which the American Right has descended.

    Merry Christmas, y’all.

    Kishnevi (a321ca)

  146. FISA Judge Orders FBI To Identify All Cases Involving Lawyer Who Allegedly Altered Carter Page Email

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/21/fisa-carter-page-fbi-review/

    An Apology To Carter Page

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/474570-an-apology-to-carter-page

    harkin (c0ad39)

  147. Kishnevi (a321ca) — 12/24/2019 @ 6:26 am

    American Thinker pushes the TWA 800 hoax to strengthen the claim that Russian collusion is a hoax.

    No, it’s absolutely correct that that video, which showed TWA Flight 800 acting in contravention of the laws of gravity, was preposterous.

    The FBI commissioned that video to justify is pushing of the missile theory. This happens to be the most glaring thing tha indicates that the investigation was rigged, that’s why that American Thinker article mentiooed it..

    The missile theory was part of the cover up and was invented in the White House. See July 29, 1996 issue of Newsweek. They pretended to see a blip on the radar. I’ll find the exact quote if you want.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  148. For Gawain’s Ghost, a little clarinet and such.

    Androutsos’s mother rejoices
    Diakos’s boasts
    For they have sons who are Men-at-arms
    Sons who are Captains
    Androutsos guards Gravia
    Diakos Alamana

    nk (dbc370)

  149. Here’s one place I found it – extracted from something written July 14, 1998:

    At the dawn SVTS conference on Thursday, an FAA official reported that a strange radar blip had crossed the TWA craft as it vanished from the screen. . . .The Stinger theory resonated with the FBI, which had picked up intelligence that some terrorists had been shopping for lethal weapons. As the 6 a.m. meeting got underway in the SVTS room, there was a “lot of breathless talk” about attacks by missles, or MANPADS, the acronym for Man Portable Air Defense Systems. (“A what?” demanded a White House aide unfamiliar with military jargon.) Still, some experts were dubious.The Stingers handed out to the muj [my typo?] are at least a decade old, and probably junk by now. The Pentagon cast further doubt on the Stinger theory by some simple math. The effective range of a Stinger is just over two miles, and its sensor can’t lock on aircraft much above 11,000 feet. Flight 800 blew up 10 miles offshore at 13,700 feet. By the end of the meeting, some officials were wondering whether the radar blip was a model rocket. And at air-traffic control on Long Island, FAA officials reviewing radar tapes were unable to find even the mysterious blip.

    – July 29, 1996 Newsweek, page 32 (printed, probably Saturday night, July 20, 1996.

    Later, in the NTSB Chairman’s Briefing/Status Report for November 15th, 1996 it is claimed that a letter will be written in which the person who supposedly made the original observation would be named (but this seems not to have happened at least in anything that became public):

    **Ron Schleede will write a letter for Bernie Loeb’s signature to Ron Morgan for a full explanation of the FAA handling of ATC and radar tapes concerning TWA flight 800.

    **The letter will reference the technician who did the analysis resulting in conflicting radar tracks that indicated a missile.

    **It will also inquire why that information was reported to the White House and sent to the FAA Technical Center before the Safety Board was given access to the data.

    I guess they had to drop that idea. Maybe they never found anyone who was willing to pretend to be that person.

    In reality, I think, nobody informed any White House official of anything. No observation or thought. It was invented out of whole cloth by somebody close to Bill Clinton. The call to the NTSB by the FAA was either never placed or placed to cover someone’s back. It came too late already, for this had already been stated in the White House around 6 A.M as is sated in the Newsweek article:

    As the 6 a.m. meeting got underway in the SVTS room, there was a “lot of breathless talk” about attacks by missiles, or MANPADS, the acronym for Man Portable Air Defense Systems.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  150. I also wrote:

    TWA Flight 800 was NOT shot down by a missile, and the missile theory is part of the coverup, as I have been saying since Day 1.

    We have heard it so much that we may not realize how oddball an explanation a missile is. It doesn’t work for terrorists and it doesn’t work well for the U.S. military and it works even less well as an accident than it would for a deliberate shooting (you can *plan* the coverup of a deliberate
    shooting) but the accident sounds like the “sting operation” explanation for the Oklahoma bombing or the Rabin assassination or the accidental fire at Waco – in other words it is exactly the sort of thing you might say if you wanted to take some of the sting off the accusation.

    President Bill Clinton rigged the whole investigation. The FBI was charged with finding out if it was a crime. The NTSB was only allowed to find causes that were not crimes. Not even unintentional things because any departure from regulations would be a crime.

    It was like as if a medical examiner was only able to declare a death a homicide if the police told them it was.

    I wrote a lot about this.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  151. The CIA video (CLinton involved the CIA in order to involve more investigators so that it would be harder to argue there was a conspiracy to lie) ..was commissioned in order for the FBI to give an explanation for the missile witnesses that did not involve them either lying or seeing something else other than TWA Flight 800 (like flares shot up later in the night)

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  152. I think it was a psycho, likely a mechanic, at JFK. Same for the Swissair and American flights.

    nk (dbc370)

  153. Bill Clinton controlled the FBI (at least for very important matters) after he replaced FBI Director William Sessions with Louis Freeh. I believe all the disputes between them were staged or allowed.

    The FBI, at the top levels, has not been very honest since, or at least through James Comey.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  154. Media hoaxes in 2019:
    Covington Catholic
    Jussie Smollett
    Russian Collusion
    Ukraine Quid Pro Quo
    Army/Navy “White Supremacy”

    None of those was a “media hoax”. Charlie Kirk is lying.

    If “media hoax” means a pre-planned conspiracy to defame someone, then these were not media hoaxes.
    If “media hoax” means the mass media glomming onto an event in real time to affirm a biased narrative, acting in reckless disregard of the truth (not to mention complete abandonment of basic principles of journalism), and in the process disseminating false and defamatory content that smears good people, then these were media hoaxes.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  155. 162. nk (dbc370) — 12/24/2019 @ 7:48 am

    I think it was a psycho, likely a mechanic, at JFK. Same for the Swissair and American flights.

    Most likely somebody like that. Somebody who had access to the plane but did not board the plane.

    But there’s got to be something a little more to it for Bill Clinton to prefer any explanation other than that. It may have something to do with Gregory Scarpa’s people at JFK Airport. It could also be an attempt to smuggling something gone wrong.

    (A competent terrorist would not have wanted the plane to explode so close to land, and they were getting at this, so this wasn’t an terrorist attack.)

    The best theory I have is that a small explosion in the cargo compartment (from something that was not supposed to be on the plane) burst a tiny hole through the fuselage of the plane, and a fire started, burning on the outside of the plane, till the hole got bigger and the plane was torn apart by the super hurricane force winds it was generating. (and which every commercial jetliner generates to keep it aloft.)

    I think Bill Clinton knew almost immediately what had gone wrong, or at least who had done it or what union he belonged to, and didn’t want the truth uncovered. Because it would open up a whole can of worms.

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  156. Sharyl Attkisson, n her book The Smear (HarperCollins 2017) talks about a smear machine, or machines, that use reporters.

    (In other words, the media doesn’t originate them, even if, as she says, some of them have become “little more tan thinly beiled political operations.”)

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  157. @165

    That seems to be a recurring theme. The fact that you have reason to look into something does not absolve you of making efforts along the way to see that you are accurately stating the truth.

    The IG report is a perfect example. Having reason to start an investigation is one thing — the bar for that is, appropriately, low. But that does not absolve you from honest investigation along the way. The notion that the whole process was legitimate because Step 1 in a 20-step process was done correctly is classic misdirection.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  158. Happy Holidays, Sammy.

    mg (8cbc69)

  159. nk: I think it was a psycho, likely a mechanic, at JFK.

    This theory was known as the “Kevorkian mechanic” on the LSoft TWA 800 discussion board.

    That was Kevorkian as in Dr. Jack Kevorkian. not the pilot on the plane, Captain Ralph G. Kevorkian. He’d be 80 years old now.

    LSoft used to keep discussion archives in the correct (forward) chronological order. But then they changed. They also closed the TWA Flight 800 discussion list eventually,

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  160. Put down that Big Gulp:

    Bloomberg campaign vendor hired prisoner labor to make campaign calls.

    Hitler’s Nazis employed slave labor, too.

    Dictators: birds of a feather.

    Bloomberg…

    Watch him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  161. Drudgereport is my go to for UFO stories, this used to be the go to site for all things butt gerbil.

    Mark Steyn opined today that Ann Coulter is mad at Trump because he is not as Trumpian as promised. I don’t follow her, but that is what I thought Drudge was upset about… not that Drudge is a NeverTrumper… but he wants more Trump, not this squishy middle of the road blowhard but the down the carpool lane blowhard, one person driving 755 HP Shelby Ford 150 tossing piss bombs out the window at the westside weenies in their Prius’

    steveg (354706)

  162. Any puns on 20-20?

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  163. The Christian Post answer to Christianity Today was lame and amateurish, resorting to ad hominem instead of addressing what CT actually said about this president’s conduct, and their answer that Trump was legitimately elected is a deflection. Also disappointing is this “elite” business that they were trying to push on Galli. Trump is the top 1% of the top 1%, which puts him in the elite by default.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  164. Here’s a link re DCSCA’s comment at 169. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/24/politics/bloomberg-prison-labor/index.html Bloomberg hired a call center that gives your name and number and who knows what other information to people being held for crimes.

    Now, that is one kind of spam calling we can do something about. That the FTC can enforce. No spam calls by prisoners. Very simple. But the FTC won’t do it until they get the order from Putin. Anybody know his number?

    nk (dbc370)

  165. If “media hoax” means the mass media glomming onto an event in real time to affirm a biased narrative, acting in reckless disregard of the truth (not to mention complete abandonment of basic principles of journalism), and in the process disseminating false and defamatory content that smears good people, then these were media hoaxes.

    Covington Catholic – I didn’t follow it, but let’s say you’re right here and we’re talking about inaccurate/incomplete reports from a news organization rather than somebody speculating on their personal Twitter feed. As I recall, the media reported a more complete and substantially accurate account within a day or less. It was half a day’s news cycle, if that – a total irrelevancy that is being kept alive by grievance mongers determined to feel persecuted.

    Jussie Smollett – The guy (a well-known celebrity) filed a report and the police opened a case. The media reported that the guy filed a report and the police opened a case. The odd/suspicious elements of the story were reported from the beginning. The collapse of the false narrative was also reported speedily and extensively. Not clear if you think each media organization should have duplicated the Chicago Police’s investigation before reporting anything.

    Russian Collusion – Russia’s intervention in the election on Trump’s behalf, the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian government officials and intelligence operatives (and their false statements to the voters about them) and Trump’s attempts to cover-up that intervention and thwart the government’s response after the fact, are all established beyond any doubt. “The media” had nothing to do with the origin of this – law-enforcement was investigating it about six months before it surfaced in the press.

    Ukraine Quid Pro Quo – Ditto; c.f. readout of call released by White House and multiple sworn statements to Congress. “The media” likewise had nothing to do with the origin of this story, which originated with an ethics complaint filed within the executive branch, which the official responsible for handling such complaints found worthy of follow-up.

    Army/Navy “White Supremacy” – The service academies opened an investigation; that in itself makes it a legitimate story. The media reported that they opened an investigation. The media noted that there were possible innocent explanations. The media reported a couple days later when the investigation cleared those involved.

    So of the cases mentioned, there is one instance where the media may have acted irresponsibly, and it took 24 hours or less to for the mistake to be corrected.

    When will the White House start issuing corrections for their repeated factual errors and misrepresentations? There’s a bit of a backlog.

    Dave (1bb933)

  166. These are some of the things that Trump has never said or tweeted:
    (1) “Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior”
    (2) Anything specifically critical of Vladimir Putin
    (3) “I apologize”
    (4) “I made a mistake”
    (5) The complete unvarnished truth for longer than 12 hours.
    On #2, now would be a good time for Trump to stand up and criticize Putin for starving 4 million Syrians by his cutting off food and humanitarian aid (link).

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  167. (5) The complete unvarnished truth for longer than 12 minutes

    FTFY

    Kishnevi (cd9bd1)

  168. loomberg hired a call center that gives your name and number and who knows what other information to people being held for crimes.

    Bloomberg actually hired a company that subcontracted the calls, in part, to a minimum security womens’ prison in Oklahoma.

    The company has call centers in at least two prisons in Oklahoma. They say they got paid $7.25 an hour – the minimum wage in Oklahoma. But prisoners are limited in the amount of money they can earn. That may indicate somebody violated some policy. The State of Oklahoma Department of Corrections says they get only $1.45 an hour.

    Toward the end of the call, the women told the people in California that they called that they were calling on behalf of the Bloomberg campaign, but they didn’t say they were in a prison.

    In any case, the Blooberg campaign terminiated its relationship with the vendor.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  169. 176.

    these are some of the things that Trump has never said or tweeted:

    (4) “I made a mistake”

    I wouldn’t want to bet on that. Never?

    Trump, as a matter of fact, has said on occasion he made a mistake:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPnAP6_3ZNM

    He said he made a mistake…

    …hiring Michael Cohen.

    On the other hand, he tweeted that he didn’t make a mistake, “at the beginnings of Hurricane Dorisn” – it wasn’t so early – in saying that Alabama may also be grazed or hit.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1169981017794535432?lang=en

    And in 2015, when he’d just announced two months before for president he said:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-donald-trump/story?id=33086722

    … I don’t think I’ve made mistakes. I mean, every time somebody says I made a mistake, they do the polls and my numbers go up.

    So I guess I haven’t made any mistakes.

    In that same interview he said he wasn’t willing to call Secretary Clinton a liar about her emails. Maybe she was just terribly mistaken.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  170. * “Hurricane Dorisn” is my typo. It should be Hurricane Dorian. I put it in quotes because Trump tweeted this was at the beginning. It was before it hit any part of the United States, but it was not near the beginning of coverage about it.

    I think it never actually hit any part of the United States.

    But it did cause Trump to cancel his trip to Warsaw (or his wanting to visit any state he carried in 2016 if a hurricane hit it) and so he did not meet Ukrainian president Zelensky there.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  171. (5) The complete unvarnished truth for longer than 12 seconds

    FTFY

    Dave (1bb933)

  172. “So of the cases mentioned, there is one instance where the media may have acted irresponsibly, and it took 24 hours or less to for the mistake to be corrected.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/24/2019 @ 5:06 pm

    Oddly enough (as James Taranto would say), a media acting responsibly errs on the side #NeverTrump each and every time.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  173. Re; Covington MAGA hat mockers

    “So of the cases mentioned, there is one instance where the media may have acted irresponsibly, and it took 24 hours or less to for the mistake to be corrected.”

    Dave (1bb933) — 12/24/2019 @ 5:06 pm

    Maybe for the first partial correction to be made, I don’t know, but it actually took a few days for this to go away, and not before there were calls in Kentucky to boycott the school and apologies issued by organizations etc.

    And the only reason any correction was made (at least soon) was that video of the encounter was posted online by a group of Black Hebrew Israelites, who were in the habit of videotaping and posting on YouTube all their encounters with the public, where they got into people’s faces, as the expression goes, and argued and shouted at them and told people the “truth.”

    The reason the Washington Post ran with the story in the first place was that they chose to believe Native American “activist” Nathan Phillips, a known liar (if you were not afraid to let people know) but a well connected one. He didn’t even tell the same story throughout. He kept modifying his story as more became known.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  174. 176. 177. 181.

    (5) The complete unvarnished truth for longer than 12 seconds

    FTFY
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/25/2019 @ 4:25 pm

    That would mean Donald Trump cannot go more than a sentence or two without telling some sort of a lie.

    Maybe so.

    Do you believe that you could go through a speech, or an interview, with or by Donald Trump, and find something you can label false in virtually every sentence? That would be an interesting exercise.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  175. Alive, alive, oh!
    Alive, alive, oh!
    Keep that Trump grievance-mongering
    Alive, alive, oh!

    nk (dbc370)

  176. Why, they even cut him out of Home Alone 2!

    Orange is the new race-hustle.

    nk (dbc370)

  177. Do you believe that you could go through a speech, or an interview, with or by Donald Trump, and find something you can label false in virtually every sentence? That would be an interesting exercise.

    If he’s reading a speech written by someone who is less dishonest than he is (which is to say: anyone else), he could certainly avoid lying for some longer period of time. OTOH, his prepared speeches tend to include ideas and sentiments that are obviously alien to him, and which he would never utter on his own, so they are in some sense one big, long lie.

    But when he’s unleashed at one of his cult rallies, surrounded by adoring gerbils on Fox & Friends, or being confronted with questions he can’t control at one of his impromptu press availabilities, the MTBF (mean time between falsehoods) is measured in seconds, not minutes. Remember that he often manages to cram several lies into a single rambling, run-on sentence.

    Dave (1bb933)

  178. If he’s reading a speech written by someone who is less dishonest than he is (which is to say: anyone else), he could certainly avoid lying for some longer period of time.

    You have to consider, though, he ad libs, so that could reduce the MTBF.

    Here;s his most recent rally – try going through this one:

    https://www.rev.com/blog/donald-trump-michigan-rally-transcript-trump-holds-a-rally-in-battle-creek-during-impeachment

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  179. So these really countries that come in, prime ministers, presidents, sometimes dictators, those we can’t deal with too much. “Sir, we’d like to buy a nuclear submarine.” I say, “No thanks.” I turn them all down. You have no idea how many people…

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  180. “I never understood wind. I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous — if you are into this — tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?”

    “So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint, fumes are spewing into the air, right spewing, whether it is China or Germany, is going into the air.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  181. That’s not from that speech (the Dec 19 Michigan one)

    That’s from the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in West Palm Beach, Florida on Saturday night December 21.

    This is the official Whiite House trancript

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-usa-student-action-summit-west-palm-beach-fl

    (whitehouse.gov link will be broken and change after Trump’s term, as has happened with every president since Bill Clinton started this in 1993.

    …They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe….

    Trump is trying to say, and garbling, the fact that if you calculate carbon emisisons you have to calculate also the emisisons caused by the manufacturing process. And by saying “world is tiny compared to the universe” he must be garbling the idea that the effect of having a windmill instead of burning natural gas is tiny compared to the entire amount of carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere every year. You just have to think it through.

    I think he’s right about the bald eagles. Although the proper terminology is wind turbine not windmill. And they’re probably not killing enough to “destroy the bird population?”

    https://windmillskill.com/blog/california-leads-nation-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths

    But apparently wrong about the maxiumum sentence for deliberately kilingg one. It’s 2 years not ten years says Vox. They try to make eveyrthing worng and try to say tall buildings kill more birds. (But maybe not bald eagles.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  182. So these really countries that come in, prime ministers, presidents, sometimes dictators, those we can’t deal with too much. “Sir, we’d like to buy a nuclear submarine.” I say, “No thanks.” I turn them all down. You have no idea how many people…

    It was pointed out, and it seems to be very accurate, that whenever he relates some story that involves someone calling him “sir”, it’s a lie.

    For example, many of the dozens of times he’s repeated the lie about making “eight or nine strong tough guys” cry (somehow, just before every rally!) when they meet him, one of the guys usually says something like “Sir, thank you for saving our country”.

    Bingo!

    Dave (1bb933)

  183. 192. Dave (1bb933) — 12/26/2019 @ 1:36 pm

    I quoted from here:

    https://www.rev.com/blog/donald-trump-michigan-rally-transcript-trump-holds-a-rally-in-battle-creek-during-impeachment

    So these really countries that come in, prime ministers, presidents, sometimes dictators, those we can’t deal with too much. “Sir, we’d like to buy a nuclear submarine.” I say, “No thanks.” I turn them all down. You have no idea how many people…

    It was pointed out, and it seems to be very accurate, that whenever he relates some story that involves someone calling him “sir”, it’s a lie.

    That sounds like a good catch,or a tell. Some American military might do that in the right circumstances – but they don’t really.

    But to imagine “prime ministers, presidents, sometimes dictators” saying “Sir, we’d like to buy a nuclear submarine.” Not even Genersal Martis saying to him: “Sir, Recep Tayyip says Turkey would like to buy a nuclear submarine.” I can’t even imagine Emmanuel Macron asking for that on pbehald of France. Former British Prime Minister Angela May. Or perhaps it was Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Or maybe China wanted to buy a U.S. manufactured nuclear submarine as part of the trade deal. (In addition to buying pigs because they killed so many pigs in China.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  184. making “eight or nine strong tough guys” cry (somehow, just before every rally!) when they meet him, one of the guys usually says something like “Sir, thank you for saving our country”.

    Let’s see in what context what we have people saying “Sir” to Trummp, as cited as saying so by Donald Trump in his last two rallies.

    1. Union reps:

    And by the way, I spoke to the unions the day before I say, “Fellows, you got to get it done.” And union labor loves me and I love you too sir. I love you too sir.

    I don’t know who is supposed to ahve said “sir” here.

    2. Several people in a delegation of farmers:

    Donald Trump: (13:12)

    And you know, the incredible thing, and I was with a lot of farmers. I was with a group of 36 farmers at the White House. You know what they said to me? I said, “Don’t worry about it. We’re going to take care of you guys.” And I used a bad word. You know what word I used? We’re going to get you a subsidy. And they said this two years ago, I said, “How much were you targeted for?” This was the first year. “12 billion, sir.” The second year was 16. They were target. That’s what they didn’t get from China. So I said, “It’s all right, we’re going to give you a subsidy of the same and we’re going to take it out of the tariffs and we’re going to have billions and billions of dollars left over.” And they said, “Sir, we don’t want money. We just want a level playing field.” I’ve never seen that before. I’ve never seen that before.

    Donald Trump said he’s never seen anyybody not wanting money from the federal government, bt preferring opportunity.

    3. The next one is prime ministers, presidents, sometimes dictators who tell him they’d like to buy a nuclear submarine from the United Sattes. And he turns them all down. Jow Biden couldn’t have told it better himself.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  185. 4. After that: A U.S. military fighter pilot:

    We have the F-35. It’s stealth. And I was at one of the areas where they’re displaying it and I went up to the pilots and honestly, they’re better looking than Tom Cruise. Okay? Good movie. Good guy too, by the way. The face is equal, maybe slightly better. The body’s bigger and stronger. They can definitely… Because like [inaudible 00:17:23]. They can definitely fight. They’re the real deal. These guys, so good looking. I said, “You could be a movie star. Go to Hollywood.” “No sir. I like doing what I’m doing.”

    A fighter pilot tells the commander in chief he doesn’t want to be a movie star.

    5. More U.S. military rank and file soldiers:

    Donald Trump: (17:33)
    So I said to these guys, you going to see, just like central casting, I said, I said, “Fellas, how good is this plane?” They said, “Sir, it’s great.”

    Donald Trump: (17:41)
    “Why?”

    Donald Trump: (17:42)
    “Because the enemy can’t see it.” That helps. Stealth. It’s actually called super stealth. So I said, “You mean they can’t see, so you shoot at them but they can’t…” He said, “They have no idea where we are, sir.” I said, “That sounds good to me.” Nobody does it. Nobody can do it. We have the whole thing and we bought in a lot of those planes, we bought in a lot of great stuff.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  186. 6,. Ad now a high ranking general.

    Donald Truymp says he won’t tell you the story (the full story?)

    And I won’t tell you the story, but very early on I thought we were going to have a problem someplace, and one of the generals came up to me and said, “Sir, don’t go. Don’t do it.”

    Donald Trump: (18:14)
    “Why?”

    Donald Trump: (18:15)
    “We don’t have the ammunition.” And I said two things. I never want to hear a President. Right? We never want to have a President hear that again, nor do we want a President to have to go through the crap that we were going through back then.

    More:

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  187. 7. A policeman at a rally one year ago when the value of 401ks wasn’t as high as they’ve gotten now:

    I tell you the story all the time. I mean, I have people coming up to me, and a man came up, a policeman. I’ve told this story, but I’ve had many, so many times, but this guy in particular, because it was early and that was a year ago. That was a long time ago. Right now it’s much higher than that. But he said, “Sir, I want to thank you. My wife thinks I’m a loser. All my life, we never did well with the 401ks, with stocks. Everything I invested, I’m up 72%, sir. She thinks I’m a financial genius. She’s so in love with me. She so in love.”

    Donald Trump: (23:11)
    He said, “She said, ‘Darling, I think you’re one of the greatest investors. Why don’t you do this professionally?’ And I don’t even know what I’m doing, sir. I just have all these stocks.”

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think Madison Avenue ever made a commercial quite like that. Including for any form of fianancial servides. Maybe for a toothpaste or a car

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  188. Donald Trump make your wife love you long time.

    Dave (1bb933)

  189. And we’re not done:

    8. A campaign worker on Election Day, 2016: (before he is president – maybe he throws in “sir” without even realizing it)

    Remember when they all said, remember when they all said, “No, no. You can’t win Michigan. You can’t.”

    Donald Trump: (30:39)
    Then I went, I did one in Grand Rapids, right? Grand Rapids. We had 32,000 people that night. It was one o’clock in the morning. That means it was Election Day when I started speaking. Hillary, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, and Bill Clinton, they did an emergency trip. They did an emergency trip to Michigan at six o’clock. They got here at prime time. They started to speak. She had 500 people. I got here at one o’clock in the morning the next day, which is now Election Day. How many people were there? 32,000 people outside, inside. It was the last speech of Michigan. And they say, “Well, sir, it’s very hard to win Michigan.” I said, “Why would it be hard?” Here’s the beautiful thing. Everything I told you I’ve done, but much more so. I said I was going to bring car companies back. I said I was going to bring in… I just hope you people know that. I just hope you know it.

    Donald Trump: (31:46)
    But I’ll never forget that night. And in all fairness to Bill Clinton, he used to be a friend of mine until I ran for office. I like him, I like him. But he told, you know the way they tried to shut him out, right? Because he’s a pro. He’s an instinct guy, right? He’s instinct. He doesn’t need…

    Donald Trump: (32:03)

    Right? Because he’s a pro. He’s an instinct guy, right? He’s instinct. He doesn’t need polling companies. Who the hell wants him? You know, if you want a polling company, pick up the newspaper. The problem is the newspaper polls are more fake than the news they write. They write fake polls. It’s true, they write fake polls. You call them suppression polls. You read them and you get depressed, because it looks like you’re doing badly. They do that. I think it’s almost worse than what they write, and you can’t get much worse than what they write. So what happens is Bill Clinton said to Crooked Hillary, his very dishonest wife, Crooked Hillary. Do you think he calls her Crooked Hillary? He might. Maybe he just calls her crooked?

    He tells us how Bill Clinton addresses his wife: (of course by thsui piont, he’s just being a stand up comedian)

    Donald Trump: (32:48)

    He said, “Crooked, I’m telling you. Crooked, I don’t like what I’m seeing in Michigan. I don’t like what I’m seeing in Wisconsin.” He said, “I took the trip to Wisconsin and I’ll tell you what, they had those Trump/Pence signs all the way to the convention area, every lawn, every loan. I don’t like Wisconsin.” And then he said, “Oh, don’t worry about it.” What the hell does he know? They told him, “What do you know?” Remember, they shut him out at the …

    Wait a second. Who’s Bill Clinton speaking to here? You can’t switch things around like this. What is this, a dream? Donald Trump is not saying he’s narrating a dream.

    Continuing:

    They didn’t want him talking. He was right. I mean, I don’t want to cause any problems in the family, but he was right. But he talked about Wisconsin. Then he talked about Michigan. He said, “Crooked, I’m telling you, Crooked, I don’t like what I’m seeing in Michigan. I was in Michigan and I’m telling you, they had those damn signs. I saw some houses where they had four of them on one lawn, and two of them on the car.”

    Donald Trump: (33:51)
    And he said, “You horrible human being. You’d better start listening to me, because you’re going to get your ass whooped? And you know what happened? You know what happened? She didn’t listen, fortunately. And she didn’t come to Michigan enough. And she didn’t come to Wisconsin, I think at all, right? Because her polling data looked good. It looked good to me, too. Every time I went there with these crowds. So we won Wisconsin.

    Hillary sent people to Iowa instead.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  190. Now Donald Trump seems to name the person who addressed him as sir in 2016: Ronna McDaniel, granddaughter of George W. Romney and then Chair of the Michigan Republican Party and now then Chair of the Republican National Committee.

    9.

    We won Michigan and the great Ronna McDaniel … where is Ronna? Where is Ronna? Ronna, she was so horrible. I didn’t know her, Ronna McDaniel, and she was so aggressive. She kept calling and said, “Could you please come out to Michigan?” I said, “Who the hell are you?” And I said, “What do you mean, another trip?” So anyway, I made, we had these big crowds. I made it again. Then finally I said, two weeks out, I said, “Ronna, no more. We’re going to win it or we’re not.”

    Donald Trump: (34:55)
    “Okay.”

    Donald Trump: (34:55)
    “Okay. I promise.” Two days later I get a call, “Sir, could you please come out to Michigan one more time?” It’s true. So, I said, “Ah.” She was the campaign chairman in Michigan. So I said, “Okay.” And then I got the ultimate call, 6:00 in the evening for this final deal in Grand Rapids. “Sir, could you come to Michigan tonight?” And I thought, I was just about finished. I went to a last great state, and I said, “It’s over.” Now I sit back and I watch, and let’s see what happens, right? But she said, “Could you come to Michigan?” I said, that is the most aggressive human being I’ve ever met. And we did it. And we won Michigan.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  191. 10. (Diplomats?) from other countriesin general:

    There’s never been a time like this. Think of it, you have the greatest economy in the history of the world. Other countries come to see me, all of their leaders, and they say, “Sir, ” first thing, “Sir, congratulations on your economy. We’re trying to do the same thing. Congratulations, sir.” And these guys [Washington swamp residents] don’t like talking about it. And if they do, they say, “Obama did it. Oh, Obama, Obama

    11. Secret Service agents:

    Donald Trump: (42:57)
    Remember Obama said, “You will never be president. He will never be president?” Then remember he said, “I will consider it a personal front if you allow him to be president?” And then I became president. He wasn’t so happy. And in all fairness, he campaigned harder than Crooked Hillary, because he had more strength. I mean, I go to these places, Secret Service, they take me. I haven’t seen a lobby in three years. It’s true. I go through basements. I pass compactor plants. I know more about compactors from this job. I don’t see lobbies.

    I say “Fellows, you think you could ever maybe take me through a lobby?”

    Donald Trump: (43:35)
    “No, sir.”

    Donald Trump: (43:37)
    But I’ll tell you what. I go upstairs, downstairs, all around. They’re taking me up three flights, go down one. I said, “Are we almost there?”

    Donald Trump: (43:44)
    “Yes, sir, another four flights.” And I say, “You think Hillary could do this? I don’t think so.” They’d bring her back home. She wants to go to sleep. And now I hear she wants to run again. Wouldn’t that be great? Oh. Thank you. Thank you. Oh would we love that? You think the Democrats are screwed up? Wait until that happens. Wouldn’t that be … Oh, there’s my guy.[His cue?]

    Donald Trump: (44:14)
    Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  192. 12. Congresswoman Debbie Dingell:

    Donald Trump: (59:59)
    Then you have this Dingell. Dingell, you know Dingell, from Michigan. You know Dingell? You ever hear of her, Michigan? Debbie Dingell, that’s a real beauty. So she calls me up like eight months ago. Her husband was here a long time, but I didn’t give him the B treatment. I didn’t give him the C or the D. I could’ve. Nobody what is, you know? I gave the A+ treatment. “Take down the flags.”

    Donald Trump: (01:00:27)
    “While you’re taking them down for ex-Congressman Dingell …”

    Donald Trump: (01:00:31)
    “Oh, okay?”

    Donald Trump: (01:00:32)
    ” … do this, do that, do that, rotunda everything.” I gave him everything. That’s okay. I don’t want anything for it. I don’t need anything for anything. She calls me up. “It’s the nicest thing that’s ever happened. Thank you so much. John would be so thrilled. He’s looking down. He’d be so thrilled. Thank you so much, sir.” I said, “That’s okay, don’t worry about it.” Maybe he’s looking up? I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe, maybe. But let’s assume he’s looking down. But I gave him A+, not A, not B+, not B. I gave him the A+, and she called me. She said, “Oh, no.” I won’t go into the conversation, because it’s not fair do that. But all I want to say is, let’s put it this way, it was the most profuse thank you that you could ever get on a scale of zero to 10, it was a 10. Okay, so that was what? February or something. Now they talk about this phony impeachment, and she’s out there, “Well, we have to look seriously at our president, because he may have violated the Constitution of the United States.”

    Donald Trump: (01:01:44)
    Boo!

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  193. I’m not done

    13. Somebody, about hjis prospects for 2020:

    Somebody said, “Congratulations sir, you’re going to win.” I said, “Don’t say that. Just don’t talk about it. Let’s always pretend you’re one point down.” Like last time. Going to be close. Nope, it’s going to be close.

    14. some Repulicans members of Congress?

    Donald Trump: (01:21:11)
    Hate to tell you, but all your congressmen, you know where they are right now. Your congressmen, all of your Congresspeople, men, wonderful people, they’re at a place called Congress right now. They’re doing an unbelievable job of supporting your President and supporting you. They had a choice, “Sir, should we leave and be there?” I said, “Don’t leave. Stay right where you are.” That’s why we got that vote. That’s some vote, right Lee? The Chairman of the Woman’s Workers and Workers for Trump, and a proud union autoworker, Terry Bowman, who’s been so terrific. Thank you, Terry. Come on up. And while Democrats are obsessed with impeachment, we’re focused on jobs, jobs, jobs.

    15. Foreign trade negotiators:

    But we have to go through a little pain, because we have to do it, and then they all say, “We’re going to withdraw,” and then I say, “You can withdraw, I don’t care. We’re putting tariffs on your country.” Then they say, “We’d love to make a deal, sir.”

    That’s it for the Michigan rally.

    Donald Trump also defebnded himself against the impeachment charges in that speech but he didn’t use the word “sir” anywhere in his monologue about that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  194. I read Bloomberg is using women in prison to make rob calls.
    Trump should have Russians from the Gulags disperse Make America Great Again calls.

    mg (8cbc69)

  195. robo

    mg (8cbc69)

  196. In the Florida speech:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-usa-student-action-summit-west-palm-beach-fl/

    1. A gentleman who tells him how manyu federal judges Obama left over for him to appoint:

    . I said to a gentleman — I came in, I said — by the way, first day — “How many judges do I have to appoint?” “Sir, you have 142.” I said, “You have to be kidding.” (Laughter.) Right? You understand that, Dan. Can you believe he gave us 142? And I think now — I thought it was going to be — we’d be up to 182 by the end of the year. I was expecting to be at 182. Yesterday, we hit 187. Can you believe that? (Applause.) Pretty amazing.

    2. A moderator at the Democratic debate Thursday,, Decedmber 19, 2109 – in a twist, in this case addressing Joe Biden as “sir”

    You see the debate where they practically apologized? “I’m sorry, sir, for having to ask you, because while it’s totally unsubstantiated…” — and then they talk about his son. Here’s a guy who made no money, had no energy experience, no nothing, and he’s making millions.

    Now how did that actually go?

    Yes, Donald Trump is lying! They didn’t ask Joe Biden a question about it. Joe Biden had to insert a defense in the middle of answer to another question:

    The question was:

    https://www.rev.com/blog/december-democratic-debate-transcript-sixth-debate-from-los-angeles

    Amna: (40:11)
    You’ve been reassuring voters that things will return to normal. Once president Trump leaves office, that Republicans will have what you call an epiphany and come to the table to work with the Biden administration. But given everything that you have seen from current Republicans, what evidence is there that things will change

    Down in the middle of his answer, Joe Biden says:

    …. And if anyone has reason to be angry with the Republicans and not want to cooperate, it’s me the way they’ve attacked me and my son and my family. I have no love. But the fact is, we have to be able to get things done. And when we can’t convince them, we go out and beat them like we did in the 2018 election in red states and in purple states.`

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  197. By definition, people don’t make robocalls.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  198. That would be step backwards, it’s like tying a hand behind your back and using a five chamber wheel gun revolver instead of the semiautomatic pistol you used in the previous duel. (free Russians making mischief on the internet with algorithms and half-truths).

    urbanleftbehind (56aaf2)

  199. Bloomberg was using women in a prison in Oklahoma – but not because he picked them, but because the contractor he hired operates call centers in Oklahoma prisons.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  200. Here is more of Donald Trump’s attack against Joe orm maybe Hunter Biden in his Florida speech. he says he hopes Joe Biden wins (the Democratic nomination I presume- I don;tthink he waiting for his impeachment.)

    But, you know, forget about Ukraine; how about when he went to China? Okay. And he walks away with $1.5 billion to manage.

    And I went to the biggest guys on Wall Street — the smartest, the biggest — guys you all know of. I said, “Let me ask you a question: Is that possible?” “No, we can’t do it.” And these are the smartest guys — most respected. They have, you know, many trillions — billions of dollars of funds that they manage. “No, it’s not possible. Not with China. They don’t do that.” He gets $1.5 billion.

    And then if you say — oh, by the way, that’s not all. Other countries are now coming out. And it only took place when this guy became the Vice President. Oh, I hope he wins [the Democratic nominationI think he means] because he will never ever be able to answer these questions. Okay? Ever.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  201. Donald trump addresses someone else as “sir”

    So let’s have a quick poll. You ready? But I see a lot of these “Keep America Great” hats. Stand up, sir. Look at that beautiful hat. (Applause.) Got the higher front. Gives you an extra couple of inches. That’s not too bad, right? (Laughter.) Got that high front. Got big letters.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  202. “Trump is trying to say, and garbling, the fact that if you calculate carbon emisisons you have to calculate also the emisisons caused by the manufacturing process. And by saying “world is tiny compared to the universe” he must be garbling the idea that the effect of having a windmill instead of burning natural gas is tiny compared to the entire amount of carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere every year. You just have to think it through.”

    It should be immediately obvious to anyone speaking honestly (ie not Trump) that the carbon footprint of a wind turbine, while not zero, is much less than the equivalent power from a coal plant. I’ve seen studies that claim that it takes about 6 months for a wind turbine to become energy and carbon neutral.

    I think he’s right about the bald eagles. Although the proper terminology is wind turbine not windmill. And they’re probably not killing enough to “destroy the bird population?”

    The leading manmade cause of bird deaths cats, ranging from 1-3 billion. While cats are probably rarely killing eagles, the second leading cause is structures like buildings and power lines, around 400 million.

    Wind turbines kill around 300k birds. It’s not great, but Trump (and other people who claim it’s a problem) don’t really care about birds.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  203. https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/26/if-the-fbis-contempt-for-the-law-is-not-reined-in-its-abuses-will-get-worse/
    I could deal with them all dying before prosecution, like mccain, but would rather see them hang.

    mg (8cbc69)

  204. I wish john was alive to do time.

    Any citizen in possession of information about a foreign attack on our country should turn that evidence over to law enforcement, as McCain did. It is not the citizen’s job to conduct their own investigation or withhold information based on their own guess about what is or isn’t relevant.

    The most important element of Steele’s reports (that Russia was actively engaged in trying to swing the election to Trump) has been verified beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Dave (1bb933)

  205. He’s impeached!
    Impeached!
    Twenty votes, just twenty itsy-bitsy, teensy-weensie little votes from Removed!

    But let’s keep grievance alive, and do the hustle. The orange hustle.

    nk (dbc370)

  206. You wanna grievance? Grievance this, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/476017-navy-seals-who-turned-in-gallagher-he-is-freaking-evil, and tell me whom the Navy should have hanged.

    nk (dbc370)

  207. ”The most important element of Steele’s reports (that Russia was actively engaged in trying to swing the election to Trump) has been verified beyond any reasonable doubt.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/27/2019 @ 5:04 am

    Viva le Deflection

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  208. 218. Dave (1bb933) — 12/27/2019 @ 5:04 am

    The most important element of Steele’s reports (that Russia was actively engaged in trying to swing the election to Trump) has been verified beyond any reasonable doubt.

    That wasn’t the result of Steele’s work; that Putin was supporting Trump was the premise that he started from, and he uncovered nothing about what Putin was doing.

    The basis for the premise that Putin was supporting rump was either

    A) their public statements, in which case they didn’t know that Putin and Trump were doing anything beyond trading complimentary or semi-complimentary statements, with Trump seeming to endorse some ideas that Russia would want the U.S. to adopt, like weakening NATO and opposition to American intervention in Syria and maybe working together with Russia on terrorism issues

    Or

    B) it may have been the DNC discovery of the hacking. But Fusion GPS was already hired by the Democrats in March. Steele may have started a=later.

    What Steele set out to find out was why Putin was supporting Trump. Not if .

    He got told nothing but lies, and they were basically of two types:

    1) The Russian government held “compromat” on Trump.

    2) Trump was a long term Russian asset, and the Russian government had been secretly subsidizing him for at least five years.

    The real reasons probably were:

    1) That Putin believed that Hillary Clinton was against him, either for reasons of principle, or because she saw an independent Ukraine as in the U..S. (and her) interest. He believed that because Victoria Nuland and been instrumental in overthrowing the Yanukovych government and Euromaidan Revolution in February, 2014. (Putin knew that because he had bugged her when she was in Kiev)

    He also knew that Hillary Clinton still was, on occasion, still giving advice and communicating with people in the State Department and he mistakenly believed that Victoria Nuland was one of Hillary’s women. (she was not – all aides close to Hillary, like Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, had left almost simultaneously with her)

    2) That he had a good chance of penetrating the campaign, and a future Trump administration.

    Tat did not happen because of efforts by various people to get rid of Mike Flynn (Paul Manafort had no intention of becoming a Russian spy or an agent of influence – he was just stringing them along in the hopes of getting some money or debt forgiveness and he needed much more money than a government salary would give him, so the efforts to get rid of him weren’t needed but some people in Ukraine tried and got him mostly out of the picture early.)

    Now these efforts to penetrate a Trmp Administration were not totally unsuccessful: In the third year of the Trump Administration, lies sponsored by Putin resulted in a 55-day total freeze on U.S. economic aid to Ukraine.

    The reasons the Russians did not totally ignore Christopher Steele was that they wanted him (and the British government) to still have confidence in the information he had been given during the 00s.

    They also didn’t have any idea that he was working for the Democrats, and not somebody British, and so thought all the false derogatory information they gave to Steele would stay in the United Kingdom – and, as a bonus, might possibly create distrust and non-co-operation between the UK and USA if Trump was elected.

    To what Steele reported was added some old public information, and the whole thing was turned over t the FBI.

    The premise of the FBI investigation was NOT that Putin was supporting Trump, but that they possibly conspiring together </B/ which was not true.

    No way would Putin take any Americans into his confidence.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  209. Has a incoming President ever rescinded a pardon and issued letter of marque for said subject?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  210. putins plan was for the middle class to get a pay raise and record stock market and record unemployment for minorities and more conservative judges etc. etc.
    Fricking putin is a genius.

    mg (8cbc69)

  211. I don’t think pardons can be rescinded.

    Letters of marque must be authorized by Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  212. ”The most important element of Steele’s reports (that Russia was actively engaged in trying to swing the election to Trump) has been verified beyond any reasonable doubt.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/27/2019 @ 5:04 am

    Very true. If you love the USA you consider this to be by far the most important aspect of the Trump presidency. If you don’t… then you don’t.

    Viva le Deflection

    Munroe (dd6b64) — 12/27/2019 @ 9:10 am

    Nothing matters to you other than deflection so it must bother you that Trump’s critics can just point out the USA has any kind of values. That’s at the heart of what you and Putin are against. Trump support = nihilism.

    Not to get religious, but hopefully whatever you trolls get out of this is worth the cost.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  213. ”If you love the USA you consider this to be by far the most important aspect of the Trump presidency. If you don’t… then you don’t.“
    Dustin (cafb36) — 12/27/2019 @ 10:07 am

    Nothing says Love For ‘Merica like a doctored surveillance application to spy on an American citizen CIA asset you so desperately need to cast as a Putin asset.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  214. “The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.”
    Donald Trump – December 8, 2016

    Dave (1bb933)

  215. Nothing says Love For ‘Merica like a doctored surveillance application to spy on an American citizen CIA asset you so desperately need to cast already have recordings of Russian agents discussing recruitment of as a Putin asset.

    FTFY

    Dave (1bb933)

  216. ”FTFY”
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/27/2019 @ 11:02 am

    I guess you’re a fan of the “doctored” part. LOL

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  217. So let’s see.

    Under Obama, the unemployment rate fell from 10.0% in October 2009 to 4.7% in January 2017. A drop of 5.3% in 87 months (7.25 years), or 0.73% per year.

    Under Trump, the unemployment rate fell from 4.7% in January 2017 to 3.5% this month. A drop of 1.2% in 35 months (2.92 years), or 0.41% per year.

    Sorry to whip out the advanced math and all, but does that make Obama almost twice the economic genius that Trump is?

    Or is 0.41 greater than 0.73 in TrumpWorld?

    Dave (1bb933)

  218. “Sorry to whip out the advanced math and all, but does that make Obama almost twice the economic genius that Trump is?”
    Dave (1bb933) — 12/27/2019 @ 11:17 am

    No, it makes Bush Jr the moron some us knew he was.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  219. a lot of other people had to be “morons” for the housing inflation and crash to occur, Mainly Alan Greenspan. He raised interest rates after lowering them. We had adjustable rate mortgages.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)

  220. In the construction world I’m in – minorities have never seen an economic boost like this. Ever. They are happy happy and are all in for orange man bad.
    Perhaps you people in academia need to get out from your mahogany paneled walled sanatariums and experience working with craftsmen who make the world function.

    mg (8cbc69)

  221. Johnny “The Mule” McCain and his hooker dossier is a sign rino love for Americans is a hoax.

    mg (8cbc69)

  222. Finally caught Richard Jewell. Fantastic film. Emotional experience and doesn’t hold back. Really makes you realize how easy it is to destroy someone even if they do the right thing, but end up being a convenient scapegoat.

    NJRob (2203b5)

  223. rip -Don Imus

    mg (8cbc69)

  224. In the construction world I’m in – minorities have never seen an economic boost like this. Ever. They are happy happy and are all in for orange man bad.

    Real disposable income per capita is the best measure of whether people are able to buy more, and live better, since it takes both taxation (lower taxes mean more disposable income) and price levels (inflation can absorb any apparent wage increases), and it has gone up by 7.7% since January 2017, or 2.7% per annum.

    That’s certainly good, but hardly life-altering.

    For comparison, between the bottom of the recession in October 2009 and January 2017, it rose by 13.8% in 7.25 years, or 1.9% per annum.

    The difference is understandable, since wages rise more when the unemployment level is low and there is more competition for available labor, so the 6.5% drop in unemployment over the last decade has steadily tightened the labor market.

    The difference between 1.9% per annum and 2.7% per annum amounts to a whopping $28/month in real disposable income. Nobody will turn down more income, but representing it as some kind of unprecedented miracle is dishonest. During the Bush economic expansion, real disposable income rose at a nearly identical rate of 2.5% per annum.

    Perhaps you people in academia need to get out from your mahogany paneled walled sanatariums and experience working with craftsmen who make the world function.

    Thank you for the personal attack.

    Dave (1bb933)

  225. The Democrats push $15HR as the minimum living wage. In construction where I live unskilled labor starts at $15… no law needed except for supply and demand. The demand for labor is high, so even the unskilled can set a high price for their time.
    Another factor here is that the marijuana growers are paying $15HR to manicure buds.
    The Democrats fixate on regulations on wages and benefits, but the market resets itself higher if you just grow the economy.

    My experience parallels mg. I see people in construction upgrading their cars, trucks, better living situations and if you go to a construction site in Southern California, the language spoken is Spanish. Trump has earned some quiet support amongst SoCal hispanics in the non union part of the construction industry. But you’d have to speak Spanish and have long term hispanic friends in the industry to get the confidence…. the reverse Tom Bradley effect is in play.
    Most hispanics are not going to tell anyone that don’t know and trust that they support Trump but anecdotal evidence in my trades says that Trump support is growing amongst those hispanics that can vote

    steveg (354706)

  226. RIH Don Imus.

    Gutter snipe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  227. No problem, Dave. Other than trade schools academics in America is a hoax.

    mg (8cbc69)

  228. R.I.P. Don Imus

    Icy (6abb50)

  229. OTOH: Imus In The Mourning?

    Not a chance, pork chop.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  230. Nothing says Love For ‘Merica like a doctored surveillance application to spy on an American citizen CIA asset you so desperately need to cast as a Putin asset.

    Munroe (dd6b64) — 12/27/2019 @ 10:54 am

    LOOK SQUIRREL!

    Dustin (cafb36)

  231. Here’s a pop quiz, Trumpsters.

    As of the end of November, the last month for which official economic data is available, the Great Helmsman, Mr. President Donald J Trump, had been in office for 34 full months.

    In how many of those months was the US trade deficit lower than his first full month?

    (Hint: by an uncanny coincidence, it’s the same as the number of big, beautiful border walls that Mexico has paid for!)

    Dave (66f02a)

  232. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the President of the United States, has his own goals for making his own country, Russia, great again, and whether his orange puppet gives the proles $28 more a month to spend; or which gay crybabies said orange puppet appoints to some court of appeals; or what Tesla stock is listed for, are of little interest to him, except as orange lipstick on his orange pig.

    nk (dbc370)

  233. The school system in this country should be run by robots.

    If it were, who do you suppose would have the skills necessary to program them?

    Dave (1bb933)

  234. The Russians, Dave. Geez.

    mg (8cbc69)

  235. The hugest. Guess who is upset this is the case?

    The United States economy grew at an annual rate of 2.1 percent in the third quarter; growth for 2019 is predicted to be 2.3 percent, weaker than last year’s 3 percent.

    Last year’s GDP growth was 2.9%, not 3. And I’m old enough to remember when not having any years with 3% GDP growth was a strike against Obama.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  236. The hugest. Guess who is upset this is the case?

    Help me out here.

    When Trump was running for president and the (totally fake, fictitious!) unemployment rate was a crushing 4.7%, America was supposedly hell for the working people – so bad that they elected a reality TV game-show host to save them from destruction. And this, we were told, was because China and other countries were “stealing” $500B/year from us in trade.

    In less than 3 short years, President Mr. Trump, also known as Donald (who would totally have won several Nobel Prizes if they hadn’t removed his cameo from Home Alone 2) has turned America into a workers’ paradise with a (totally believable, completely accurate!) unemployment rate of 3.5%. And yet – unexpectedly! – this transformation has happened while the annual trade deficit was increasing by something like 20-25%.

    Dave (1bb933)

  237. Well I guess we know who is upset. Merry Christmas.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  238. The hugest. Guess who is upset this is the case?

    NJRob (4d595c) — 12/27/2019 @ 6:41 pm

    You’re upset enough to combine an insult with a ‘merry christmas’ like the evil mother in law on some cheesy movie. Most people don’t like Trump. No need to take it personally.

    People will disagree about how poor or healthy the economy is, but you know it’s not the ‘hugest’ anything. It doesn’t compare to, say, Bill Clinton’s record. I’d say the economy is more or less the same as it has been for a long time. Tons of government debt propping up a sense of stability. Low labor participation. Lots of gains for investors. Maybe a debt bubble about to burst, maybe not.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  239. The economy has been remarkably good since the Reagan expansion started in 1984. Since that time, “cyclical” recessions have been infrequent and mild by historical standards. Economic volatility since the mid-80’s has been about half as large as before – a phenomenon economists refer to as “The Great Moderation” (see graph accompanying this article).

    A number of causes have been proposed – I think in general the advent of near comprehensive real-time economic data helps businesses and central banks make better-informed decisions.

    Distortions of the economy – like debt crises, the dotcom, housing and subprime bubbles, etc – can still cause problems, but it’s harder for them to develop.

    Dave (1bb933)

  240. How long until mittens gets caught with his hands in the Ukraine cookie jar?

    mg (8cbc69)

  241. Trump is fortunate to have a growing economy so as to absorb the negative impacts of his tariffs.

    President Donald Trump’s strategy to use import tariffs to protect and boost U.S. manufacturers backfired and led to job losses and higher prices, according to a Federal Reserve study released this week.
    “We find that the 2018 tariffs are associated with relative reductions in manufacturing employment and relative increases in producer prices,” concluded Fed economists Aaron Flaaen and Justin Pierce, in an academic paper.
    While the tariffs did reduce competition for some industries in the domestic U.S. market, this was more than offset by the effects of rising input costs and retaliatory tariffs, the study found.

    The negative effects of Trump’s tariffs are not arguable. This was taught in Econ 210 at the UW Business School, back in the early 1980s. Maybe Trump should fire the authors of the Fed study for disloyalty, because their conclusions don’t align with his FakeNews narrative.

    Paul Montagu (280314)

  242. “The negative effects of Trump’s tariffs are not arguable.”

    More than twice as much has been spent on compensating farmers for the tariffs than was spent on the great recession auto bailouts.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  243. Hi Dustin

    My feelings on those polls that say most people do not like Trump are two fold (at least).

    1. “most people” includes a lot of people who like Trump somehow, and some way enough, to vote for him once and would do so again.

    2. Within the group of “most people” who are asked if they like or dislike Trump, there is very likely a substantial subgroup who like Trump, but are not going to say so to a pollster.

    steveg (354706)

  244. Tariffs were about the only tool that could get China’s attention within the last two years of a 4 year term.

    I predict the new Democrats will win the Presidency soon and use tariffs to try to control China’s carbon output while simultaneously torpedoing US innovation with wealth taxes, corporate taxes and energy regulations. That will be a disaster of yuge proportions

    steveg (354706)

  245. Dave @229. already have recordings of Russian agents discussing recruitment of [Carter Page] as a Putin asset.

    When? Or was that George Papadoupolous?

    There was quite a bit of lying and misinforming of the FISA court judge.

    Steele’s reporting was said to have been checked out with his source. (Steele didn’t actually contact many Russians – he contacted one person who said he contacted them.)

    It was checked out, as the FBI said. But Steels’s source said the information he provided wasn’t reliable! That they didn’t tell the FISA court.

    Page was regularly letting himself be debriefed by the CIA. An email was altered to say the opposite The person who did it is no longer working for the FBI.

    Carter Page was probably chosen as a target so that the FBI could tell Harry Reid they were investigating Trump campaign connections to Russia,

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/29/us/politics/document-Reid-Letter-to-Comey.html

    (letter dated August 27, 2016)

    But at the same time they wouldn’t be eavesdropping on anybody close to Trump.

    The FBI was not siding with the Democrats; it was hedging its bets.

    Then they kept the surveillance on so maybe they could find something that would justify it in retrospect, like bad police and prosecutors do.

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)


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