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12/19/2019

Open Thread: Crazytown Revisited — The Nth Democrat Debate

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:47 pm



Your choices: impeached President Donald Trump, or one of these clowns.

God help us all.

52 Responses to “Open Thread: Crazytown Revisited — The Nth Democrat Debate”

  1. Since impeachment was mentioned:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rpetty/status/1207731143581347841

    harkin (15bd84)

  2. Looks like I picked the wrong decade to quit sniffing glue.

    Dave (1bb933)

  3. Ie he impeached before the matter is taken up by the senate? I didn’t think the Dems could make even more of a mockery out of the process than they already had, but now this.

    Gryph (08c844)

  4. “impeached President Donald Trump”

    He’s not impeached yet.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  5. One of the clowns (other than Bernie). Law come from Congress and I don’t think one of the clowns (other than Bernie) would be worse at the presidenting side of things. Can we please go back to some level of normal?

    Nic (896fdf)

  6. He’s not impeached yet.

    Munroe (dd6b64) — 12/19/2019 @ 6:14 pm

    Yes he is. That dumb talking point was minutes old when you parroted it unquestioningly. Clickbait nonsense from an authority you only support if he says something you like.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  7. Hey Dustin, have you seen Richard Jewel yet? Wanted to get your review before I check it out.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  8. He’s not impeached yet.

    He’s getting better?

    I know I’m going to regret this, but please enlighten us as to why the president is not impeached once the articles of impeachment are passed.

    Chuck Bartowski (6fff93)

  9. Don’t regret an education, Chuck. No sirree. Hat tip whembly from the other thread:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats?utm_source=url_link

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  10. ^^^ Author was one of the Democrat’s witnesses in favor of impeaching Trump too.

    I mean…c’mon!

    whembly (c30c83)

  11. #6

    If he is impeached, the Senate has to take the matter up. Currently, the Senate is not even permitted to start the trial. So no, I would say he isn’t really impeached.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  12. God help us all.

    I have a few suggestions if He’s interested.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  13. Looks like I picked the wrong decade to quit sniffing glue.

    Surely you jest.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  14. The orange is impeached. When a cop puts the cuffs on you, you’re busted. When a grand jury returns a true bill, you’re indicted. At some point you have to appear before a judge for arraignment, and at a further point for trial, but in the meantime you’re still busted and indicted. The House has the sole power to impeach. It does not need the Senate to co-sign the impeachment. But if it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly. Whip out that dagger, Lady Macbeth!

    nk (dbc370)

  15. He’s not impeached yet.

    By the same lights he won’t be re-elected until the House accepts the results from the Electoral College.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  16. Eh… are we really going to have a scenario where the House don’t send the articles of impeachment??

    I don’t see that. I wonder if House GOP could force a floor vote to SEND the articles to Senate. Make ’em vote for it again…

    whembly (c30c83)

  17. I’m not a Constitutional Scholar; but McConnell can just look up the Articles of Impeachment in the Congressional Record if he wants to proceed, and he should if the House delays unduly.

    This ‘he isn’t impeached until we formally send the paper over’ is bullpucky.

    Ingot9455 (d05484)

  18. @16 No, we aren’t going to have a scenario where the House doesn’t send the articles of impeachment. It’s drama.

    Nic (896fdf)

  19. 19. Even if there is simply a delay, it would be unprecedented and it would certainly put to lie the idea that impeachment is so important because it will save the republic or something.

    Gryph (08c844)

  20. Francis Brennan
    @FrancisBrennan
    ·
    QUESTION: “Would you be willing to sacrifice…hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers in that transitioning to that greener economy?”

    BIDEN: “The answer’s yes.”

    _

    harkin (15bd84)

  21. I haven’t watched a single Democrat debate and I don’t intend to start now. I’ll just read about ’em in the funny papers.
    Since it’s an open thread, I thought I’d take another opportunity to ridicule and mock Tucker Carlson. Last month, the guy only trailed Hannity in cable news ratings, so he’s a fair target.
    Ms. Plott at The Atlantic has a piece on him, and the general take is that he’s a hypocrite, an elitist pushing an anti-elitist or populist line, with more than a dash of racism. Like Hannity learned, f*ck conservatism, it’s about the ratings, baby, and Trump brings ratings. It’s where Carlson’s at, too. I’ll defend him if people scream at him in restaurants, but that’s as far as it goes.
    As for Ms. Plott, smart gal, but she’s just the kind of 27-year old journalist that Ben Rhodes derided.
    Taking it from there, Mr. Katz has a more critical take.

    Plott and her editors framed the piece around a false premise: That it’s hard to figure out how a “wealthy Washingtonian … with his prep-school education and summer home in Maine” can appeal to the masses, with a national nightly program featuring overt white supremacy and venomous attacks on immigrants, women, and minorities. As if searching his soul for something to redeem their own, the magazine titled it: “What Does Tucker Carlson Believe?”
    There’s nothing unusual about aristocratic racists throwing red meat to their angry followers. We’ve seen it in every generation, from the Confederacy to the first pro-Nazi America First movement of the 1930s, to the present day. Carlson is part of a long conservative tradition, as Corey Robin has written, of “a ruling class resting its claim to power among a sense of victimhood.”

    And let’s not forget the periodical that Carlson co-founded, The Daily Caller, a place where a lot of racists and white nationalists found refuge, including the a$$hole who organized the infamous Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. The real pathetic part is that a racist twat like Tucker is getting these ratings.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  22. …McConnell can just look up the Articles of Impeachment in the Congressional Record if he wants to proceed, and he should if the House delays unduly.

    Um, no, not according to Rule I of the Senate Rules for Impeachment, but it wouldn’t surprise if McConnell got the rules changed.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  23. Surely you jest.

    I see what you did there.

    Dave (b6acba)

  24. @14

    Actually, when a cop arrests you, he has to file something called a probable cause affidavit. Then a judge reviews it to determine if PC existed for the arrest. Without the affidavit, the suspect is released and no charges are filed. This is like arresting someone, then refusing to formally file charges until you know the outcome of the trial is guaranteed.

    Edoc118 (2faa81)

  25. 17, that was one of Kanye’s ideas gone awry.

    urbanleftbehind (2cad7d)

  26. It is a perfect impeachment. Read the transcript!

    nk (dbc370)

  27. Pattericco’s article before the election in 2020 “I will vote for Bernie, I have agonized on this but f trump and every trumpkin. Now check out this cool joke about how people that vote for trump lick his butt”

    Blueberry muffin (cef076)

  28. 29. Link it or it didn’t happen.

    Gryph (08c844)

  29. Pattericco’s article before the election in 2020…

    That’s interesting, lying about something Patterico won’t hypothetically do. If it were me holding the keys, I’d run you out on a rail for bad faith reasons alone.

    Paul Montagu (e1b5a7)

  30. Now settled into Seat E21 of the IMAX 3D theater at the Irvine spectrum.

    Episode IX begins in about 30 minutes…

    Dave (b6acba)

  31. Uh-oh, it’s on…

    Adorable niece has a few choice (but polite) words to say about Aloha sweetie’s cop-out on impeachment.

    Exit question: If called on to choose sides, will JVW vote “Present”?

    Dave (b6acba)

  32. “I,I,I,I,I,I”…

    Only two “i’s” in plagiarism, Joe.

    If you’re gonna use your flaws for sympathy votes on national TeeVee, might as well mention them all, plagiarist.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Pathetic andrew yang had to bring up no people of color in debate unless you include him. Media vermon didn’t what to remind viewers of that fact. Only white liberals have money to contribute. Merry impeachmas and happy kawanzaa!

    asset (62f0e8)

  34. No spoilers, but I give Rise of Skywalker a big thumbs up. A worthy conclusion to the Star Wars saga!

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. Biden, ” The middle class is getting killed by this economy,” as a forty year worker in the middleclass economy, my IRA is killing it. I have doubled my income in retirement, something I never expected.

    bud (b48f3e)

  36. A positive note on below 20 degree weather – dog schiff pick up is a breeze.

    mg (8cbc69)

  37. Butigieg, “I’m the only one on this stage who is not a millionaire,” so you haven’t been in politics that long?

    bud (b48f3e)

  38. @30 and @31 White knight powers activated. Form of a somewhat strongly worded comment!

    frosty (f27e97)

  39. Warren, “Economists are wrong about my 8 trillion dollar tax hike”

    bud (b48f3e)

  40. 40, also known as “caping” – but they’re both correct. I was gonna say stick to “obits” but I got my adjectives for winter conditions mixed up.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  41. I just checked with Mitch McConnell. He told me that you can’t impeach a president in an election year.

    John B Boddie (0fa0b7)

  42. Edoc118 (2faa81) — 12/19/2019 @ 7:55 pm

    when a cop arrests you, he has to file something called a probable cause affidavit.

    In California, an arrest can turn into something that was not an arrest (a detention) if no charges are filed.

    https://www.jones-mayer.com/news/2016/08/31/vol-31-no-17-an-arrest-without-the-filing-of-an-accusatory-pleading-is-just-a-detention/

    Only the FBI records it as an arrest, because once fingerprints and mug shots are taken, it is sent to the FBI. This can create some trouble for the person because there is no disposition of the case. There is something a detained person can get to certify that it was not arrest.

    Now Trump: He was impeached. Maybe the Senate can change the rules and dismiss the case with prejudice, at least if Chief Justice John Roberts shows up. But later on, when the House managers show up, the Senate can vote again (or change the rules) so they can accept the managers and proceed to try the case. And this can happen in 2021 when the Senate has a different composition.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  43. Biden and Yang are the best choices.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)


  44. U.S. Military Academy
    @WestPoint_USMA
    ·
    The investigating officer concluded that the cadets were playing a common game, popular among teenagers today, known as the “circle game” and the intent was not associated with ideologies or movements that are contrary to the Army values.

    _

    harkin (15bd84)

  45. Petey Buttplugs wants to give reparations to illegal kids at the border. Fauxahountas wants to triple taxation and let guys go to ladies’ prisons. . Ol’Hairplugs thinks we should get rid of blue collar jobs for some new green economy, though need to see if Neil Kinnock said this first. Yang says all white candidates on the stage is bad. if the white candidates are going to commit ritual suicide, I hope Nanny Bloomberg goes first, personal preference.

    Say what you will about Trump, none of these people has the competence to be trusted with a coffee order.

    Bugg (ebf485)

  46. As to impeachment, think of the house like a Grand Jury and the Senate as the trial court. At a minimum the defendant has to be arraigned in the trial court by being given an instrument or document specifying the crimes charged by the Grand Jury, and enter a plea. Happens sometimes that indictments are never so filed nor calendared. And then we get into issues of speedy trial. Don’t pretend for a moment to know how speedy trial laws would so apply in this case. IN NY, for example, you get 6 months of “chargeable” time on most felony crimes spare murder offenses. That time gets tolled for many things, like motions. As crazy as President Trump may seem screaming on twitter about wanting a speedy trial, there may be a design to that. The House vote could theoretically have started the clock. Impeachment is not a capital crime,but there’s no argument that this should go on forever. If they let this sit around long enough without moving it to the Senate President Trump could have a viable motion to dismiss.

    Bugg (ebf485)

  47. If they let this sit around long enough without moving it to the Senate , it’s a Fake Impeachment and less meaningful than censure Schiff mincing down the corridor of the Capitol building elbows akimbo preceded by TV cameras and microphones.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. The assumptions of all the questions and aswerrs was that there would be a trial, and that Donald Trump wold be the Republican nominee. Only in the Saturday Night live cold open skit was it specfically entioed they wold run aagnst him if he won the trial.

    In the Saturday Night live skit there were 5 gatecrashers: Mike Bloomberg (who replaced Tom Steyer) Sat Night Live also had him crash the debate in their skit for the November debate, so they’ll do this for every debate maybe. Also Kamala Harris and Tulsi Gabbard.

    And Donald Trump (he said he was there so that people should watch) and Nancy Pelosi, who had a gift for Trump – two impeachment articles – but was thinking of keeping them for herself.

    Sammy Finkelman (be6791)

  49. They started arguing at about the second third of the debate.

    Elizabeth Warren avoded answering a question about Israel. She also made it sound like donors were drinking $900 bottles of wine at a fundraiser. Turns out a wine cave s what they use in California to store (and age) wine.. It’s simply a winery and the owner of the wine cave was the person who hosted the fundraiser.

    Bernie Sanders took note of the fact that he wasn’t just old, he was also white, but said it didn’t matter. (the way they were discussing candidates that was expected to be mentioned)

    Andrew Yang gave good answers to at least three problematic questions.

    He was the first one picked to answer the one about whether they had anything for which they should ask forgiveness and what gift would they give the other candidates. He was stumped about forgiveness but after a while mentioned his book. So all the other candidates mentioned their books. One or two took the forgiveness question as a comment on the tone of the debate.

    Sammy Finkelman (be6791)

  50. It was televised on PBS.

    Here is a no paywall transcript: (posted online by the company that did it as an advertisement)

    https://www.rev.com/blog/december-democratic-debate-transcript-sixth-debate-from-los-angeles

    Sammy Finkelman (dec35d)


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