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That Time-Honored Tradition of Ruining Thanksgiving with Politics

Filed under: General — JVW @ 6:25 pm

[guest post by JVW]

We’ve talked about it before: that present mania of various political advocacy organizations to suggest that you steer the family Thanksgiving discussion into the realm of hotly contested debate. I mean, why let a family gathering ostensibly set around an elongated weekend of quiet reflection on the things for which we are extremely grateful be devoid of peckish quarrels about taxes, or health care, or foreign policy, or the Deep State, or wokedy-wokeness? You’ve got your captivated audience; why not use the opportunity to unload your entire sense of injustice and victimization?

Fortunately, as in years past, social media is full of ideas as to how to ensure that mom ends up quietly crying in the kitchen, Uncle Ben storms out of the house in a huff, and cousin Kate nervously drinks herself into a stupor. First up, the ever-redoubtable ACLU:

Maybe those topics are too safe and generic for you, though. Perhaps you want to ensure that a quiet yet earnest discussion quickly escalates into a red-faced shouting match. I know: bring up abortion, a suggestion that elicited this hilarious response from National Review’s Charles W. Cooke:

I don’t know about you guys, but in my family we always stuck to pretty safe and conventional topics at holiday meals: the severity of the recent snowstorm, whether the Broncos will be able to bounce back next year, and mild gossip regarding a cousin who was away at college and didn’t make it home for the holiday. I think in the long run that will be much better for family cohesion than knowing that Katie’s new “boyfriend” prefers to use “ze” and “zer” for the third-person pronoun.

Have a happy Thanksgiving, everyone.


58 Responses to “That Time-Honored Tradition of Ruining Thanksgiving with Politics”

  1. Naturally the Associated Press gives us this dreadful story.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. Katie has a new boyfriend?

    nk (dbc370)

  3. “My pronouns are…”

    Your grace/His grace

    Dave (1bb933)

  4. The ACLU and the Left have so much to be thankful for

    U.S.—In honor of Thanksgiving week, the nation’s progressives have begun to give thanks that they have so much to be angry and offended about this year.
    “Thank you, unspecified deity who may or may not exist, for giving us so much stuff to be outraged about,” said Staci Walder, 42, of Portland, as she prepared her vegan, kale-wrapped turkey. “I’m truly humbled that you’ve blessed me with the Trump presidency, the patriarchy, the laws of economics, and biological facts to rage against.”
    “Every year, it’s important to pause and recognize how much we have to be angry about.”

    Paul Montagu (00daa1)

  5. These woke imbeciles project so much. It’s as if they can’t even remember ever having been simply boringly and blessedly normal.

    Dana (cb74ca)

  6. Another in the long list of the type of lunacy which got Trump elected.

    harkin (337580)

  7. Another conversation not to have around the table, at least in mixed political company.
    Con woman.
    Con man.

    Paul Montagu (00daa1)

  8. I’m a minimalist when it comes to seasoning good cuts of meat, so I’ve been making my holiday grilled lamb chops with just salt, black pepper, oregano, and lemon juice spooned over them hot off the grill. Tomorrow, I’m going to add light sprinkles of minced garlic and cumin. That will probably be the main topic of conversation.

    My daughter’s mother shares Dana’s (apparent) sentiment about Thanksgiving. She thinks it’s the most American holiday of all because it’s all about family, without any religious or patriotic overtones except just being American, as some people might even say, “blessedly normal” and “boring”. If we turn the TV on at all, it will probably be to the Disney Channel (seriously).

    nk (dbc370)

  9. “You can get anything you want at alice’s restaurant!” What we got is the 50th anniversary of kent state may 4th 1970.

    asset (4efc37)

  10. without any religious or patriotic overtones

    Really? I thought it was originally about giving thanks to, uh, God.

    Granted, in practice that part tends to be something of an afterthought…

    Dave (1bb933)

  11. Don’t jive my turkey … Dave!

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Big deal… Hunter Biden was culturally appropriating 1/2 of the Gateway Pundit hiring process.

    Dave, you should have used Rub a Dub Dub, Thanks for the Grub.

    urbanleftbehind (e3cea9)

  13. the exception which mr. Dave left out makes the rule, mr. urbanleftbehind

    we thank god for america

    it was probably ivanka anyway, mr. mg

    that girl just can’t keep her clothes on

    nk (dbc370)

  14. Anybody been watching The Mandalorian? Sergio Leone meets George Lucas? He even sounds like Clint Eastwood.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. There is so much in our lives that is beautiful. Waddya say we give conflict a day of rest?

    John B Boddie (0fa0b7)

  16. I wish i could believe that they were kidding.

    Anyone that encourages people to strive for ways to divide their family at thanksgiving is just a terrible person.

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  17. You want more Trump?

    This is how you get more Trump. Jeez.

    B.A. DuBois (80f588)

  18. Itll be all Jr’s fault if they end up in the same search results as Romanov.

    urbanleftbehind (e3cea9)

  19. I’m thankful for an infustion of Bach’s music once a week.

    John B Boddie (0fa0b7)

  20. The alternative view:

    Tom Taylor
    Avoiding Politics at the dinner table is how you get Trump.
    __ _

    NeoN: Automataster
    Except that this bulls**t cycle of “talk sense into your republican uncle” discourse predates Trump by years. It started with selling Obamacare to your family over the holidays.


    harkin (337580)

  21. Fortunately everyone in my family is normal, and we don’t get together at Thanksgiving to fight over politics. As stated above, this is left-wing trope that’s trotted out every year, about how to deal with crazy conservative “Uncle Bob” at Thanksgiving.

    But I don’t think these stories in the MSM are completely untrue, since most Leftists live in a left-wing bubble and simply CANNOT stand any open disagreement. They can’t de-platform “Uncle Bob” or hit him with a bike lock, so it drives them crazy.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  22. The amazing thing about Thanksgiving is we can actually say the Holiday’s name. Unlike Christmas where it has to be disguised as “The Holidays” or “Holiday”.

    I also noticed the MSM has gone easy on the “Remember we killed Indians while you eat that Turkey” stories. Probably because the old Pilgrims-Indians story stopped being taught in schools, and no one under 50 thinks Indians have anything to do with Thanksgiving.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  23. Meanwhile in the news, Liberals show their Thanksgiving spirit by cheering the story of drunken Irish Pol O’Malley (Ex-Gov MD) attacking Trump’s INS Secretary in a bar over “babies in cages”. Lefists are so classy! And full of the Holiday spirit.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  24. The most obvious thing about these annual Thanksgiving agitprop campaigns is that they never instruct people to listen, only to spread talking points. If anyone asked me to go in a room and watch a political PowerPoint presentation, I’d tell them I’d rather watch a sales pitch for a holiday timeshare.

    harkin (337580)

  25. Anybody been watching The Mandalorian? Sergio Leone meets George Lucas? He even sounds like Clint Eastwood.

    nk (dbc370) — 11/28/2019 @ 6:10 am

    I saw a couple episodes and thought it was pretty good. Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

    Dustin (cafb36)

  26. The Commander of the Salvation Army has an excellent Thanksgiving message. I’m going to readjust my giving to include this organization.

    Paul Montagu (00daa1)

  27. Trump Has Spent $115 Million On Golf Trips ― Or 287 Years Of Presidential Salary

    With his Thanksgiving vacation, President Donald Trump’s golf hobby has now cost Americans an estimated $115 million in travel and security expenses ― the equivalent of 287 years of the presidential salary he frequently boasts about not taking.

    Of that amount, many hundreds of thousands ― perhaps millions ― of dollars have gone into his own cash registers, as Secret Service agents, White House staff and other administration officials stay and eat at his hotels and golf courses.


    During his campaign for the Oval Office, Trump claimed that as president, he would be too busy working to have time for any vacations at all. “I love golf, but if I were in the White House, I don’t think I’d ever see Turnberry again. I don’t think I’d ever see Doral again,” he told a rally audience in February 2016, referring to two Trump-owned courses. “I don’t ever think I’d see anything. I just want to stay in the White House and work my ass off.”

    Despite those remarks, Trump is on schedule to spend far more time on the golf course than Obama did. At this point in Obama’s first term, he had spent 88 days on a golf course. But Trump’s visit to his course in West Palm Beach on Wednesday was his 223rd day at one of his own courses ― two and a half times as many golfing days as Obama.

    Further, Obama played the majority of his rounds at courses on military bases within a short drive of the White House, while Trump has insisted on taking numerous trips to visit his courses in New Jersey and Florida, both of which require seven-figure travel and security costs.


    Trump’s current trip to Palm Beach is the 25th of his presidency. Wednesday was his 58th day golfing at his course in West Palm Beach. He has golfed 77 days at his Bedminster, New Jersey, course; 77 days at his Northern Virginia course; four times at his Jupiter, Florida, course; three times in Doonbeg; twice in Turnberry; and once each at his courses in Los Angeles and Doral, Florida. Since taking office, he has golfed only twice on a course he does not own, both times in Japan at the invitation of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe during official visits.

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. The more time Trump spends golfing and in “executive time”, the less he has to come up with and try to execute his half-baked, ill-conceived proposals. He should play 36 holes a day, every single day.

    Paul Montagu (00daa1)

  29. Find the parades – particularly Macy’s- disgustingly endless hype nauseating along w/repeated ‘Black Friday’ pitches and all cable news bloviators can ‘ruin’ Thanksgiving.

    Just one day w/o it all is something to be thankful for. Switch’em off, maybe enjoy a little football and give everyone the bird— w/a little stuffing and taters on the side.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. “The amazing thing about Thanksgiving is we can actually say the Holiday’s name. Unlike Christmas where it has to be disguised as “The Holidays” or “Holiday”.”

    Nobody cares if you say Christmas, dude.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  31. He should play 36 holes a day, every single day.

    Vigorous exercise.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  32. Nobody cares if you say Christmas, dude.

    Except in schools, workplaces, on holiday cards, or in public. I still remember when Santa Monica decked their main shopping district with “Winter Greetings!” ans someone complained that it was hemispherically insensitive.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  33. “Except in schools, workplaces, on holiday cards, or in public.”

    You’re ridiculous.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  34. Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

    Me too! Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

    nk (dbc370)

  35. @33. He plays 330 million of ’em, daily, K. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Alternative conversation starters – stuffing vs dressing, canned cranberry sauce: a sin against nature or merely an abomination, favorite fruitcake, is there such a thing as too many appetizers, and whether or not one is required to wait until sunrise to begin drinking.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  37. 18. Time123 (ca85c9) — 11/28/2019 @ 7:03 am

    I wish i could believe that they were kidding.

    Anyone that encourages people to strive for ways to divide their family at thanksgiving is just a terrible person.

    I don’t think they’re lidding, but I doubt that they’re very successful either. (they think this could be the one chance for their choir to convert people, and that’s all they care about)

    Sammy Finkelman (1a8726)

  38. Have never liked cranberries, canned, frozen or otherwise.

    Love everything else, from the green bean casserole to the yams.

    Have no problem Trump using extra $$$ to play golf where he wants as long as he doesn’t give a few hundred billion to street agitprop orgs and corrupt unions.

    harkin (337580)

  39. Thanksgiving is just another day away from office and in a movie theater.

    Rip Murdock (42fdfa)

  40. I wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving.

    Gawain's Ghost (a89947)

  41. Trump makes ‘secret’ visit to troops in Afghanistan; Pence made ‘secret’ trip’ to Iraq a while back.

    If you gotta move in ‘secret’– you ain’t winning.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Trump makes ‘secret’ visit to troops in Afghanistan

    Will he be taking potshots at children, executing prisoners or posing with enemy dead as a (further) show of support for war crimes?

    Dave (1bb933)

  43. Speaking of those who are thankful today:
    Trump dispenses billions of dollars in aid to farmers, hoping to shore up rural base

    Moving to offset the impact his trade war has had on rural America, President Trump has bypassed Congress to send some $20 billion in aid to farmers, mostly going to a bundle of states that are essential to his reelection chances next year.
    The payments have ranged from as little as $2 for some small-scale farmers to more than $1 million each for some corporate agricultural enterprises. ……

    To sidestep Congress, which has long considered price supports for farmers its exclusive domain, the administration cited an obscure law from the 1940s that was passed in the aftermath of the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression.

    Until Trump, no president had ever used that law to make direct payments to farmers, let alone tens of billions.

    The strategy bears some resemblance to the one Trump used to shift millions of dollars that Congress appropriated for the military to pay for sections of his border wall. Unlike the border wall money, however, the farm aid has not drawn challenges from Congress, perhaps because Democrats have their own political reasons for not wanting to oppose help for rural areas in politically important states.

    The payments are likely to reach nearly $25 billion by early next year, making them roughly twice the net cost to taxpayers of President Obama’s auto industry bailout during the Great Recession of 2008. Even so, they may fall short of fully covering farmers’ losses from the trade war with China or fully mitigating the political fallout Trump has faced in some Midwestern communities. …..

    Rip Murdock (42fdfa)

  44. ”Will he be taking potshots at children, executing prisoners or posing with enemy dead as a (further) show of support for war crimes?”
    Dave (1bb933) — 11/28/2019 @ 12:22 pm

    Why get Bush involved?

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  45. I guess that’s why you get your fighting out of the way on Wednesday night, but
    what’s with these Acela corridor Dem toughs…almost makes me wish Kookinelli had those kind of cousins:

    urbanleftbehind (6279b7)

  46. “Will he be taking potshots at children, executing prisoners or posing with enemy dead as a (further) show of support for war crimes?”

    Much better to send spyware emails to the defense attorneys and reporters and use your own leaks as an excuse.

    And oh yeah, then issue awards for doing so.

    harkin (d79cbb)

  47. I have two sisters, one of whom thinks about as much of President Trump as our host, and the other who is a strong supporter of his. My wife, of 40 years, six months and nine days, despises the President, yet we’re still married, still live in the same house, and still sleep in the same bed.

    Yet we all had Thanksgiving dinner on Wednesday — my wife had to work today — and we didn’t worry about politics, had a fine time together, and left still liking each other.

    The other Dana (13dd7c)

  48. Happy Thankgiving.

    NJRob (7b1885)

  49. Happy Thanksgiving from all of us consigned to the group W bench.

    Mark (056bb0)

  50. @43 Yeah, that’s why FDR made a secret trip to Yalta in Feb 1945. We were losing WW II. Yep.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  51. IIRC, every Presidential visit to the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan has been kept secret until he arrived there, from Bush 43 onwards.

    Kishnevi (98ea1b)

  52. Lijian Zhao 赵立坚
    In Washington, the white seldom go to SE area, as it’s an area for the black. President Trump even demanded 4 women lawmakers of color to leave US. Out of respect for President Trump, US & the black there, please follow “America First” policy & take care of racial discrimination.
    __ _

    Austere Scholar HuntingLucidity
    Found time to tweet. Must be a slow day at the organ harvesting plant


    harkin (337580)

  53. Well, someone brought up how happy everyone is in Cuba, how everyone gets paid the same, and how good their medical care is.

    My response was: “Don’t you think that system lacks incentives? As Jimmy Carter said: ‘No one stays up all night with the state’s sick pig.'”

    I love that Jimmy Carter quote as they can’t attack the speaker.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  54. NY Times digital front page headline on Trump trip:

    Trump Says He Reopened Talks With Taliban, 3 Months After Ending Them

    I’m sure they’ll memory hole that soon.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  55. Apparently it’s Zhao’s job to defend and distract from organ harvesting
    South China Morning Post from August of this year

    Recently updated records on the foreign ministry’s website indicate that Zhao Lijian, who left his position as deputy chief of mission in Islamabad earlier this month, now serves as deputy director general of the ministry’s information department.

    Kishnevi (e89fd2)

  56. Talking about who should have been aborted and who needs a post natal abortion gets everyone involved around the dining room table.

    asset (3e7ae6)

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