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11/12/2019

Nikki Haley: Donald Trump Is Truthful

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 am



Nikki Haley says she believed Donald Trump was a truthful person:

Guthrie: Did you think he was a truthful person?

Haley: Yes.

When she is asked to explain that answer in the future — and I predict she will be — she will say she was answering it in the context of her personal dealings with Trump. She will note that she immediately went on to say: “In every instance that I dealt with him, he was truthful, he listened and he was great to work with” and so forth. Of course she doesn’t believe he’s always truthful, but who is always truthful anyway, and she has carefully picked things to criticize him on before, so by gosh you can’t call her a toadie!

Sum it up, though, and she’s calling “truthful” one of the biggest liars and con artists ever to walk the planet.

She surely thinks she’s cleverly threading a needle. She’s not. She’s lying here, and she’s doing it to further her political career. And she’s hardly unique among politicians in doing so, but the fact that it happens all the time is not going to cause me to stop noticing when it happens.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

86 Responses to “Nikki Haley: Donald Trump Is Truthful”

  1. Trump lied(!!) about Kim getting to know Melania when they never actually met, so Haley’s all pants on fire. She’s toast.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  2. Trump totally conned the intelligence community and the media into thinking he colluded with Russia to rig 2016. Bad on him.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  3. I’m disappointed to see Nikki Haley putting her own self-interests over being honest. Not only does she have a new book to promote, but her political goals are still unknown at this point in time. She said that she will not be Trump’s VP in 2020, and she also said that she will not run for top spot either. She has, however, said that she is “too young to stop fighting,” so it’s not unreasonable to that she means running for office in the future. In no way am I dismissing her dishonesty here, but this is yet another example of the untenable position that Trump has put Republicans in.

    Dana (cb74ca)

  4. C’mon Pat… what’d you expect? For her to say “No”?

    She’s a politician. Are you wanting her to…what…not be a politician (who’s been one since 2004)?

    I’d wager that you’d vote for her over any of the yahoos on the democratic side (if you were voting at all).

    whembly (51f28e)

  5. any of the yahoos on the democratic side

    Why do you think all the democrats are so uniformly bad? What happened to the Gary Condits? Ok bad example, but what happened to make them the party of Bernie and Warren?

    I think the same thing happened to the GOP when it nominated Trump.

    The binary choice isn’t the decision. The binary choice is the decision.

    Dustin (d42b09)

  6. This is disappointing. I had more respect for her before this and was hoping she’d have a more prominent role in the future.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  7. If Haley didn’t expect a reflexive ‘what ya gonna do, vote for democrats?’ defense, within seconds of her lying being pointed out, she wouldn’t have lied.

    The binary choice not only encourages unethical conduct, it also discourages ethical conduct. Think about how partisans react when our leaders are ethical these days? They treat it as disloyal misconduct.

    By only seeing the next election, we are clearly harming our country. Elizabeth Warren would not be a contender for the presidency without binary choice Republicans screwing up the GOP so badly.

    Dustin (d42b09)

  8. On the one hand, I give her credit for gratitude. Trump did appoint her to the highest ambassadorship, practically cabinet level, second only to the Secretary of State, and she did not get a seat on the Boeing board of directors because she had been governor of North Carolina.

    On the other hand, it’s too soon to denounce Comrade General Secretary Donald Ivanovitch. He is still too powerful with the Politburo and the proletariat, and she will end up being denounced herself and sent to exile. She needs to wait until he steps down or is removed and even then she will need to weigh the relative costs and benefits (she is an accountant) of distancing herself from him.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Think about how partisans react when our leaders are ethical these days? They treat it as disloyal misconduct

    Hey, “draining the swamp is dirty work,” as one Trumpster put it.
    You see, the corruption in our government was so thick and deep that we absolutely needed someone totally without integrity or scruples to clean things up.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  10. A “Trump intellectual” said we needed someone like Trump to “break things that need breaking.”
    That sharp thinker apparently didn’t consider the likelihood that someone like Trump would break things that should be protected.

    Radegunda (39c35f)

  11. Personally, I don’t think the laws against graft, bribery, and extortion need breaking, but what do I know?

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Party Girl.

    ‘Go, baby. Go!’ – Walter Cronkite

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. By only seeing the next election, we are clearly harming our country. Elizabeth Warren would not be a contender for the presidency without binary choice Republicans screwing up the GOP so badly.

    Dustin (d42b09) — 11/12/2019 @ 8:48 am

    Obama’s election proves that statement false. Bernie beating Hillary without superelectors proves that false. The left has jumped down the rabbit hole to South American socialism. Up to you if you want to join them.

    NJRob (22b4c9)

  14. The corruption of the Republican party is now complete. Haley is just doing what other prominent Republicans–McConnell, Graham, Cruz, Rubio, Perry–are doing, ignoring the obvious, excusing the inexcusable, defending the indefensible. It’s because the party can’t admit it made a mistake in nominating and electing a total fraud.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  15. #5

    any of the yahoos on the democratic side

    Why do you think all the democrats are so uniformly bad? What happened to the Gary Condits? Ok bad example, but what happened to make them the party of Bernie and Warren?

    Are you kidding?

    There’s very little difference between any of the Democratic congressional candidates.

    Personally, I happen to like Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders. But, I would wholeheartedly vote for Trump over them.

    I think the same thing happened to the GOP when it nominated Trump.

    The binary choice isn’t the decision. The binary choice is the decision.

    Dustin (d42b09) — 11/12/2019 @ 8:37 am

    During primary season, it isn’t binary until the nomination. Post nomination, pragmatically you have 2 choices when voting (really 3 if you count not voting or voting for Indies). I subscribe to the ideal that you must play with the cards you’re dealt with… not with the cards you wished you have.

    whembly (51f28e)

  16. *congressional/Presidental

    whembly (51f28e)

  17. bla bla bla
    NJRob (22b4c9) — 11/12/2019 @ 10:58 am

    I know you had to try

    Dustin (d42b09)

  18. @3. RE-VP. Keep in mind, it hasn’t been offered to her.

    Yet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. During primary season, it isn’t binary until the nomination. Post nomination, pragmatically you have 2 choices when voting (really 3 if you count not voting or voting for Indies). I subscribe to the ideal that you must play with the cards you’re dealt with… not with the cards you wished you have.

    whembly (51f28e) — 11/12/2019 @ 11:12 am

    That’s a good point. Our primary process is pretty screwy and a committed core of white supremacist idiots can overcome a majority in the GOP. But they probably couldn’t with a run-off process where the GOP had to choose Trump vs. Cruz or Trump vs. a bag of potatos.

    Dustin (d42b09)

  20. I know you had to try

    Dustin (d42b09) — 11/12/2019 @ 11:14 am

    Facing reality rather than staying in your imaginary bubble is too difficult. I understand.

    NJRob (22b4c9)

  21. Guthrie: Did you think he was a truthful person?

    Haley: Yes.

    I’m gonna hurl…

    New working hypothesis: they WERE having an affair, and Trump has revenge p*rn.

    Dave (d1e5e7)

  22. When she is asked to explain that answer in the future — and I predict she will be — she will say she was answering it in the context of her personal dealings with Trump.

    She did answer it that way, at least until she was pinned down.

    Mike Pompeo is also doing a great job of threading the needle.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  23. Like it or not, all Republicans going forward are going to be tarred by the media for their relationships with Trump. I know a lot of people are disappointed in people like Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham, whose views on the President have evolved more than somewhat. And now Nikki Haley is being dragged into this (though, of course, no one made her write a book and go on a publicity tour where she obviously realized these questions would be asked).

    Conservatives are going to have to be forgiving of the politicians who we think were too tolerant of some of the shakier aspects of Donald Trump’s character, or else we will have a very limited number of candidates from whom to choose.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  24. JVW,

    yes they’ll be tarred by the media unless they are useful idiot’s supporting the left’s agenda. That just makes it a day of the week ending in a “Y.”

    Look how they treated McCain when he was useful to them versus when he tried to beat their false idol.

    NJRob (22b4c9)

  25. During primary season, it isn’t binary until the nomination. Post nomination, pragmatically you have 2 choices when voting (really 3 if you count not voting or voting for Indies). I subscribe to the ideal that you must play with the cards you’re dealt with… not with the cards you wished you have.

    whembly (51f28e) — 11/12/2019 @ 11:12 am

    That’s a good point. Our primary process is pretty screwy and a committed core of white supremacist idiots can overcome a majority in the GOP. But they probably couldn’t with a run-off process where the GOP had to choose Trump vs. Cruz or Trump vs. a bag of potatos.

    Dustin (d42b09) — 11/12/2019 @ 11:15 am

    Aye… the whole irony here is that I wished the GOP establishment had the Superdelegate systems that the Democrats used to have. If they had, Trump definitely wouldn’t have had enough delegates during the primary.

    whembly (51f28e)

  26. #23 Like it or not, all Republicans going forward are going to be tarred by the media for their relationships with Trump. I know a lot of people are disappointed in people like Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham, whose views on the President have evolved more than somewhat. And now Nikki Haley is being dragged into this (though, of course, no one made her write a book and go on a publicity tour where she obviously realized these questions would be asked).

    Conservatives are going to have to be forgiving of the politicians who we think were too tolerant of some of the shakier aspects of Donald Trump’s character, or else we will have a very limited number of candidates from whom to choose.

    JVW (54fd0b) — 11/12/2019 @ 12:07 pm

    This. 1000%.

    Goes back to my original phrase of “dealing with the cards you’ve been dealt with…”.

    whembly (51f28e)

  27. ”Like it or not, all Republicans going forward are going to be tarred by the media for their relationships with Trump.“
    JVW (54fd0b) — 11/12/2019 @ 12:07 pm

    Trump has been a total disaster — except for those Republicans who were previously tarred for their Bush-Cheney relationships and who are now media darlings.

    Munroe (4ae3dd)

  28. I also think there’s something to be said for the short attention spans of the general population. I don’t think the post-Trump era will be all that damaging as those current slate of politicians would dominate the news.

    It’ll be met with the same disregard as when Presidents blame things on their predecessors.

    whembly (51f28e)

  29. @23/@26. The tail no longer wags the dog.

    Welcome to 1964.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. President Trump’s always telling the truth so that everybody knows the truth

    it’s one of his best quality

    happyfeet (83fadd) — 11/12/2019 @ 1:07 pm

    wut?

    He says some hard truths that normal politicians wouldn’t…yes. But, he lies about other stuff too… like other politicians. So no, he’s not always telling the truth.

    whembly (51f28e)

  31. @27. Trump has been a total disaster.

    Record low unemployment; record stock market highs; fattened 401Ks; business and personal tax cuts; coaxing deadbeat allies to pay more of their own way; bolstering the military services; killing terrorists; weaponizing tariffs; questioning foreign troop deployments; curbing policies pouring trillions into the toilet known as the Middle East. All while still managing to entertain you with dictator dialogues and fecklessly tweeting incoherent babble.

    Yeah. A disaster.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. My sarc is way too subtle.

    Munroe (4ae3dd)

  33. whembly (51f28e) — 11/12/2019 @ 1:12 pm

    Whembly, I think you arrived here after Happyfeet’s glory days, or perhaps at the tail end of them. Had you seen him in his prime, you would not be puzzled by that comment.

    Kishnevi (0cb353)

  34. BTW, either Ms Haley has come out as a transgendered person without me knowing about it, or the first sentence of the post needs a touch of copyediting.

    [Fixed. Thanks Kish. – JVW]

    Kishnevi (0cb353)

  35. She does have a bit of a square jaw.

    urbanleftbehind (41fa3c)

  36. Shoo, happyfeet, shoo! Get thee hence!

    felipe (023cc9)

  37. Shoo, happyfeet, shoo! Get thee hence!

    felipe (023cc9) — 11/12/2019 @ 1:53 pm

    I can’t tell if you’re more a Lady McBeth mumbling “out damn spot” or a Hamlet yelling “get thee to a nunnery” when it comes to Happyfeet.

    NJRob (22b4c9)

  38. Sum it up, though, and she’s calling “truthful” one of the biggest liars and con artists ever to walk the planet.

    LOL. For a Politician Trump has been extraordinarily honest. He’s pretty much done, or tried to do, what he campaigned on. Of course, he wasn’t a “Man of Honor” like McCain, who made a habit of lying to the voters about what he stood for every Campaign. Nor did he create fake Twitter accounts like Pierre Delecto. OR tell everyone “Read my lips no new taxes” or Promise to keep us out of Vietnam, and then get us into Vietnam like LBJ. Or tell the truth like incorruptible Hillary and Bill.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  39. Given that about 90% of the R party supports Trump, she’d better be Pro-Trump if Haley wants a future in the R party. I notice that another “Man of Honor” Mark “Appalachian Trails” Sanford has “suspended his campaign”. I guess Mom forgot to wire him bus fare for his next speaking gig.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  40. I’m posting in 2 threads, but with a different concluding statement here.

    “They” as in the far far right have already turned on Jr. and are beefing with Turning Point, similarly to how the Oath Keepers were cast aside as boomer nostalgiacs. In their eyes would Haley i/o Pence be another final straw? http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/11/20948317/alt-right-donald-trump-jr-conservative-tpusa-yaf-racism-antisemitism

    Another thing to consider re a Haley switcout from Pence. A new Monmouth poll released today shows Pete Buttigieg in the lead in Iowa. Do you keep Pence as a point of differentiation/contrast (and possible awkward VP debate), or do you go with Haley to minimize the fire and brimstone?

    urbanleftbehind (41fa3c)

  41. @42. Be wary of polls these days. They had Trump losing right up to the day he won. Trump’s got some good number crunchers; it’ll come down to those numbers on corralling straying suburban women vs., the evangelical count. The E’s got about as much as they could out of Trump; Jerusalem, etc., so they should be satisfied… where else do they go? Nikki’s a natural to draw modern suburban women into the flock, too. You gotta figure he won’t jettison any more big, key, in-the-know personnel who can tattle until after the Senate trial as well. Indiana Pete will flame out- as flamers do. America will elect a woman president before it goes w/a gay vet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. nk, collect yo’ money:
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbcs-malcolm-nance-the-russians-compromised-trump-as-early-as-1977

    Maybe now you’ll believe me that the World Series is fixed too.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. It is a fact, not a joke, not speculation, not a conspiracy theory, that in 1977 Czechoslovakians were not allowed to go abroad except as agents of the StB, the Czechoslovakian security service, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Soviet KGB.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. I don’t do binary. To me, there is always another option.

    It’s an argument I had with my father for years, and it drove him insane. He was a computer programmer. He had served in the Navy as Morse code operator, and when he completed his served, he took a six-week course in programming and became a systems analyst. That was back in 1959, in the era of giant mainframe computers that ran on tape reels and punch cards. Knowing Morse code prepared him for learning programming, because the two were very similar. Everything to him could be understood in terms of 0 and 1, as a means of communication or a thought process.

    I was in the sixth grade when I read this Batman comic book. In this issue, the evil criminal Two-Face had captured Batman and had to decide whether he should live or die. So he flipped his coin–one side clean, the other scarred like his face. But as the coin hit the ground, the edge stuck in a crack on the pavement, so it didn’t fall either way. Two-Face couldn’t make a choice. Thus Batman escaped and survived to continue fighting crime.

    My father enrolled me in algebra in the ninth grade. He was always pushing me into advanced classes in higher mathematics–algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus, differential equations–even though I had no interest and little us for these subjects. But that was the way it was back then, at the beginning of the computer era, before everything became digital. So I studied, did my homework, passed the tests, yada yada yada.

    One night at dinner, he said to me, “Son, there are only two kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that do not.”

    Okay, Dad. I took a quarter out of my pocket. Heads or tails, that’s binary, right? Suppose I flip this coin and it falls on its edge and ends up neither.

    “That’s impossible, son.”

    No, it’s not. (I didn’t tell him I got this idea from a comic book).

    “Yes, it is. A coin cannot fall on its edge.”

    It can if it falls into a crack. He would get infuriated, like I was one of the groundlings who cannot comprehend binary code. I understand binary. I just don’t agree with it. All I’m saying is there’s always a third option, like a coin landing on its edge.

    “The probability of that is zero!” he would angrily say.

    Probability? Look, Dad, if the odds are infinity to one, given infinity, it will happen once.

    He would get so mad, because he thought I was being stupid. I was just having fun with him, but I was very serious. There is always a third option, and anything can happen.

    I take the same approach to politics. This Democratic-Republican duopoly is just like Two-Face flipping his coin. Either way it turns out bad, because it’s a deformed criminal flipping the coin. Batman gets to go on fighting crime, by the most improbable of circumstances. But would it have mattered if Two-Face’s coin had decided he should live? No, not really. Two-Face would have gon on committing crime either way.

    Heads or tails, live or die, Democrat or Republican, that’s no way to survive as a country or a person. Binary is not a choice; it’s a determination that does not work, no matter which side the coin falls on. There is always a third option, always.

    I’m waiting to see who the Libertarians nominate. And I would like to see Amash run as an Independent.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  45. > I know a lot of people are disappointed in people like Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham, whose views on the President have evolved more than somewhat

    i’m also pretty irked at the naked partisanship that’s evident when you compare the things he said in 1998 about impeachment to things he’s saying today about impeachment. the man wouldn’t know an honest principle if it hit him over the head.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  46. Amash should run…. home to Michigan

    Steveg (45770e)

  47. I don’t do binary.

    There are 10 types of people in the world – those who understand binary, and those who don’t.

    Dave (38959f)

  48. 01001110 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101100 01101011 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110111 01100001 01101001 01101110 00100111 01110011 00100000 01000111 01101000 01101111 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100001 01100011 01101011 00101110

    nk (dbc370)

  49. More similar to his in-state Alex P. Keaton acolyte than different from:

    http://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/sean-duffy-k-street-069854

    urbanleftbehind (404e7b)

  50. Conservatives are going to have to be forgiving of the politicians who we think were too tolerant of some of the shakier aspects of Donald Trump’s character, or else we will have a very limited number of candidates from whom to choose.

    I’ll let you do that. Yours is probably the more mature attitude. My own attitude is: I’m never voting for any of these people ever again.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  51. 01001110 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101100 01101011 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110111 01100001 01101001 01101110 00100111 01110011 00100000 01000111 01101000 01101111 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100001 01100011 01101011 00101110

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    Patterico (115b1f)

  52. “.-.. — — -.- ..-. — .-.. -.- … …. . .-. . .. … – …. . -.. . .- .-.. .-.-.- .. .– .. .-.. .-.. -… . .- – …. .. — .-.. .. -.- . .- -.. .-. ..- — .-.-.-”

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    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. I know a guy who will never vote for anyone who has ever been against abortion. He gets upset when I call him a single-issue voter.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  54. nk, patterico, at the very least use hex. I assume your LSB is on the right. That’s not the standard in Europe.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  55. There are 10 types of people in the world – those who understand binary, and those who don’t.

    When they stopped putting toggle switches on the front of computers, nearly every programmer stopped dealing with binary.

    Then again, you couldn’t patch running code with toggle switches anymore.

    Kevin M (19357e)

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    Dave (38959f)

  57. When they stopped putting toggle switches on the front of computers, nearly every programmer stopped dealing with binary.

    Then again, you couldn’t patch running code with toggle switches anymore.

    Probably my favorite Dilbert strip of all time.

    Dave (38959f)

  58. For those who refuse to be binaried
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries
    I have to confess that other than McAfee and Vermin Supreme, I know little or less about any of them. Not even Ms Faas, who is from the county immediately south of me.

    Kishnevi (712fff)

  59. I’ll let you do that. Yours is probably the more mature attitude. My own attitude is: I’m never voting for any of these people ever again.

    Word.

    Dave (d1e5e7)

  60. @60: Definitely agree with the “more mature attitude” part of that. It’s a rather candid admission, don’t you think?

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  61. Note the media bias. Did any NBC newsperson ever ask an Obama cabinet member whether Obama was a truthful person?

    David in Cal (0d5a1d)

  62. Again, if you go through life with the attitude that all politicians are, at some level, two-faced backstabbing ratf***ers, then it is simply impossible for them to ever disappoint you.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  63. My Little Aloha Sweetie not included in that previous statement, naturally.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  64. Note the media bias. Did any NBC newsperson ever ask an Obama cabinet member whether Obama was a truthful person?

    And they asked Clinton many times about being unfaithful to his wife, but they never asked Dubya the same thing. Do you suppose that was bias too?

    Or might there be other reasons besides bias that some politicians are asked certain questions and others aren’t?

    Dave (1bb933)

  65. And they asked Clinton many times about being unfaithful to his wife, but they never asked Dubya the same thing. Do you suppose that was bias too?

    Considering that Newsweek did its best to suppress the Monica Lewinsky story and that the news ended up breaking first in the Drudge Report, of all places, that’s not really the best example to use.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  66. It doesn’t matter what any Republcian thinks in California. Your choices are limited to the left-wing Democrat for Senator and the less Left-wing Democrat. As for POTUS, you might as well not vote. The state will vote for whoever the D’s nominate.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  67. All the Never Trumpers like the Bulwark Boys, Jonah, French, Lowry, Erickson, Will, etc. were all content with 4-8 years of Hillary and almost all them wanted the D’s to win in 2018. If they’re the best “Conservatism” has to offer, then it might as well die. They don’t seem to be interested in conserving anything, except the Capital Gains tax. BTW, how’s “Conservatism” doing in NY State and California?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  68. Hillary had the worst KNOWN character of any POTUS candidate since LBJ. And when you throw in Bill Clinton (you get 2 for the price of one), they would have run the most corrupt White House ever. Yet, Trump was the one that caused everyone to talk of “Character”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  69. Hillary had the worst KNOWN character of any POTUS candidate since LBJ.

    And yet Donald Trump endorsed and bankrolled her, saying she’d make a great president…

    Dave (1bb933)

  70. “For those who refuse to be binaried”

    I am stealing that phrase, Kish. Thanks.

    felipe (023cc9)

  71. 63

    Again, if you go through life with the attitude that all politicians are, at some level, two-faced backstabbing ratf***ers, then it is simply impossible for them to ever disappoint you.

    JVW (54fd0b) — 11/12/2019 @ 9:44 pm

    This. Much of the animosity would be muted in my opinion as we’d work within the party to push these bastards in the direction we’d want.

    64 My Little Aloha Sweetie not included in that previous statement, naturally.

    JVW (54fd0b) — 11/12/2019 @ 9:45 pm

    Obviously.

    whembly (fd57f6)

  72. @68. I think Erickson isn’t a never-Trumper. He criticizes Trump but still backs him. That said he is pretty anguished these days.

    JRH (52aed3)

  73. @73 He’s now a sometimes “never trumper”. Erickson refused to support Trump in 2016, and has called himself a never-trumper. He’s now playing Hamlet and flip-flops every other day on Trump. This is one of the latest AJC reporting on his stance:

    Once an outspoken member of the Never Trump movement, Erickson has fiercely defended the president on a range of issues and has talked of a surprise phone call from Trump thanking him for his support.But he’s also continued to criticize Trump for some of his tweets and actions, including becoming one of the first well-known conservatives to blast the president’s comparison of impeachment to a “lynching.”

    rcocean (1a839e)

  74. How can you be a “sometimes never Trumper”? How about a “sometimes Trumper”?

    Appalled (78615b)

  75. I wouldn’t trust Erickson on anything. In the same article he whines that he criticized Bush and other R POTUS Candidates without much blowback; but Trump supporters get too upset. He completely ignores the fact that his criticism of McCain/Romney/Bush was extremely mild, and was mostly about them not being conservative enough. Meanwhile, his attacks on Trump, just echo the 92% negative coverage from the Left-wing media. And when he’s not attacking Trump, he’s piling on the Covington Boys, or someone else who the Liberal MSM has declared a villain.

    He’s been angling to get his CNN Spot back, and more or less everything he says is aimed at that.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  76. Hillary had the worst KNOWN character of any POTUS candidate since LBJ. And when you throw in Bill Clinton (you get 2 for the price of one), they would have run the most corrupt White House ever. Yet, Trump was the one that caused everyone to talk of “Character”.

    this is just a strange complaint. Character issues with HRC were covered heavily; the white water deal, the way she behaved wrt to Bills infidelity, the Clinton Foundation, her private server, the DNC backroom deals. All of these got heavy coverage and discussion. Saying that no one talked about her character is weird.

    Time123 (797615)

  77. He’s now a sometimes “never trumper”.

    The term nevertrumper is like ‘lyin ted’ and other Trumpisms. It’s meant to project. Trump fans refuse to consider arguments that criticize Trump. But they want to project this irrational refusal to reason fairly onto those same critics. Hence these irrational deep-state nevertrumpers who are victimizing poor Trump with all these lies about collusion. Even if you sometimes praise trump, the times you do criticize him, you’re a never trumper. All the term means is that the argument has been dismissed without consideration.

    It’s a rather candid admission, don’t you think?

    Munroe (dd6b64) — 11/12/2019 @ 7:55 pm

    Don’t you have some lawsuits to file, Mr. Authority on Maturity?

    Dustin (9bb042)

  78. “The term nevertrumper is like ‘lyin ted’ and other Trumpisms. It’s meant to project.”
    Dustin (9bb042) — 11/13/2019 @ 8:33 am

    LOL. It’s not a Trumpism. It was coined by #NeverTrumpers themselves, much like “Trumpkin” and “butt gerbil”. But yes, they are meant to project.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  79. That’s butt-gerbil with the apostrophe. Don’t leave out the apostrophe to show that I spelled it wrong.

    And, yeah, #NeverTrump was stolen by the corrupt criminal traitor Trump. Second-hand. His butt-gerbils had been using it for a long time before he picked it up.

    As for “projection”, if it’s not the right word, then what is the right word for “I’m a very stable genius who should have gotten several Nobel prizes, it’s just that they all hate me, and it’s not fair, waaah, mommy!”

    nk (dbc370)

  80. @ 49, 52 and 57. Copy that. Here is my response. From the foreword to Is 5:

    “On the assumption that my technique is either complicated or original or both, the publishers have politely requested me to write an introduction to this book.

    At least my theory of technique, if I have one, is very far from original; nor is it complicated. I can express it in fifteen words, by quoting The Eternal Question And Immortal Answer of burlesk, viz.”Would you hit a woman with a child? – No, I’d hit her with a brick.” Like the burlesk comedian, I am abnormally fond of that precision which creates movement.

    If a poet is anybody, he is somebody to whom things made matter very little–somebody who is obsessed by Making. Like all obsessions, the Making obsession has disadvantages; for instance, my only interest in making money would be to make it. Fortunately, however, I should prefer to make almost anything else, including locomotives and roses.It is with roses and locomotives (not to mention acrobats Spring electricity Coney Island the 4th of July the eyes of mice and Niagara Falls) that my “poems” are competing.

    They are also competing with each other, with elephants, and with El Greco.

    Ineluctable preoccupation with The Verb gives a poet one priceless advantage: whereas nonmakers must content themselves with the merely undeniable fact that two times two is four, he rejoices in a purely irresistible truth (to be found, in abbreviated costume, upon the title page of the present volume).”

    Besides constantly enrolling me in advanced mathematics, my father also kept giving me books of poetry. It’s what made me the contrarian I am. It’s also what drove him to distraction.

    When he read my master’s thesis on Blake, he said, “Son, if I hadn’t known you your entire life, I would swear you are insane.” Right, Dad.

    He passed away in 2003. However, had he lived, I can assure you there is absolutely no way he would have voted for Donald Trump. On that, we would have agreed.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  81. How can you be a “sometimes never Trumper”? How about a “sometimes Trumper”?

    Yes – he said literally.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  82. 52. 53. 57. Can someone please at least explain the cipher?

    Sammy Finkelman (7b1b59)

  83. ” Can someone please at least explain the cipher?”

    These are binary numbers that convert to ascii characters. For example, 01001110 is the same as decimal 78, which corresponds to “N”. You can copy/paste the entire posts here: https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/binary-to-ascii.html

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  84. Sammmy, it is a convo for only those who understand binary. I’ll translate:

    Now we can talk about Gawain’s Ghost behind his back.

    And yet it’s right in front of his nose!

    If it were any closer, it would byte him!

    felipe (023cc9)

  85. Davethulhu (fab944) — 11/13/2019 @ 1:19 pm

    Well, that would have saved me some time! What will they think next?

    felipe (023cc9)


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