Democratic Debate Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
The debate is live on CNN, and streaming on CNN.com and the NYTimes.com. Front-runners Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders will be center-stage. And making his debut appearance is one-percenter Tom Steyer. Oh, an lest I forget, the Little Aloha Sweetie herself will also be on stage!
And if so moved, you can make your Election Confession 2020 here:
Tell us what you really think about the 2020 election. What are your thoughts on the presidential candidates? How do you feel about the race itself so far? About the state of the country? Share your anonymous confession with NBC News.
You can also read everyone else’s “confession” too!
[Ed. True confessions during a political debate?? Now that’s pretty funny!]
–Dana
Heh.
Dana (05f22b) — 10/15/2019 @ 5:51 pmThese are hilarious:
Dana (05f22b) — 10/15/2019 @ 5:55 pmDemocrats:
Dana (05f22b) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:02 pmIn massachusetts steyer ads have been a constant for a month.
mg (8cbc69) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:06 pmIf you include his impeachment ads, they’ve been constant in my part of Florida since he started them back in…December 2016, wasn’t it?
Kishnevi (2009b0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:15 pmMy pledge still stands: The first one to start a chant “Lock him up!” gets my vote in the Democratic primary. And since I’m in Illinois, that vote will count.
nk (dbc370) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:21 pm‘Squinty Joe.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:28 pmI left to go on a long walk and came back and they’re still yammering
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:28 pmI mentioned asking Beto to draw the line at filming a visit to his proctologist, doubt it will make the cut
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:29 pm“ And since I’m in Illinois, that vote will count.”
Yeah, probably be counted several times…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:30 pmHawaii wahini is it, has a nice outfit , but they are still stark raving mad.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:31 pmWell he had the nanobot injection lasr week so.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:32 pm“ And making his debut appearance is one-percenter Tom Steyer”
Isn’t he polling at < 1% ?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:32 pmSo far I’ve skipped every Dem debate because I don’t care what they say. I doubt I’ll vote for any of them. Any chance this is the debate that would have changed me mind? Or yet another word salad buffet of spin, soundbites and bad ideas?
Time123 (69b2fc) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:40 pmSo who are you going to vote for then?
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:42 pmThe Nats are shedding the bed, so I’ll have a look at this motley troupe.
urbanleftbehind (c494f6) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:43 pm7 things to watch for during the Democratic debate:
1. What else is on TV tonight?
Daren Jonescu (2f5857) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:45 pm2. Isn’t tonight supposed to have a full moon?
3. When was the last time we stood outside on a fall evening and watched a moonrise?
4. Don’t we need to do a sock load this evening? As I recall, all my blue dress socks are in the wash.
5. Anyone feel like a game of rummy?
6. I wonder when America will finally have a pre-teen transgender president.
7. Man, ain’t those idiots done yet?
Today’s Biden Gaffe:
“My son made a judgment… I’m proud of the judgement he made.” – Joe Biden
“Was it poor judgment to be in the middle of something that is… a swamp in– in, many, many ways? Yeah.” – Hunter Biden
Proud??? Of poor judgment??
Idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:46 pmYou mean the cards no. Honestly they need shock collars for motivation
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:46 pmRemember that heated spike thing they put han solo through before they froze himthat
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:48 pmNo the nats were up 7-0 ,and the cards got up to 7-4.
Daren, I thought the same things except for the type of card game.
urbanleftbehind (c494f6) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:49 pmAll that talk of rounding up executives is gonna drive a lot of Never- and Reluc-Trump into Emphatic-Trump.
urbanleftbehind (c494f6) — 10/15/2019 @ 6:54 pmHarsh! … but fair…
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/1184279687872180225
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:07 pm22… but… but… muh Collusion!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:08 pm@15
Time123 (d54166) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:10 pmDunno, might write in someone. Might pick a 3rd party. Current candidates range from a hard no to a soft no.
“Robert Bork is laughing in his sleep”
That’s a really deeeeeeeeeeep sleep!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:12 pmDid I hear Booker correctly?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:12 pmSplit screen viewing: Nationals 7, Cards 4, bottom of the 6th; Indoor Drone Race- aka Dem Debate.
One of these teams is gonna snatch defeat from the jaws of victory– and they ain’t playin’ baseball.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:16 pmThis is a violation of the geneva and vienna conventions
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:23 pmCoop/Erin: do an audience pan: how many people in the audience are watching the ball game on their smartphones?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:27 pmhttps://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/drunkblogging-the-october-democratic-debate/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:29 pmNow this is funny!
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1184283846747082752
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:41 pmDon’t hold back, JVW.
🙂
Dave (1bb933) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:42 pm“I’m the only person here who has really gotten anything big done.” – Joe Biden
“I accept full responsibility. But not the blame.” – ‘Richard Nixon’ [David Frye] ‘Richard Nixon: A Fantasy’ – 1973
Idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:47 pmSteyer may have pushed his podium f ok rward involuntarily.
urbanleftbehind (c494f6) — 10/15/2019 @ 7:51 pmWoohoo! Nationals sweep! Congrat!
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Dementia check:
“This is the United States of America!!!” – Joe Biden
And what city are you in, Joe?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:10 pmCeti alpha 6
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:12 pmNow its Fish-Face and the Pirate’s team vs. Bad Orange Man’s team in the ALCS.
Klobuhar is a throwback, 3 packs a day with dentures.
urbanleftbehind (c494f6) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:21 pmFish face? I swear urban you try to out cryptic me
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:25 pmThree salads you mean
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:26 pmOh really https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyPrinceton/status/1184299293848551425
narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2019 @ 8:45 pmI had no idea you could clip coupons in the stock market…
#thanksJoeBiden
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2019 @ 9:06 pmHe was, in context, clearly talking about the judgment Hunter made in acknowledging some error. I continue to laugh at the notion that Biden’s verbal miscues are super important in the era of Trump.
Patterico (115b1f) — 10/15/2019 @ 9:34 pmIt will be interesting to see if the D’s can keep the impeachment inquiry going until the election.
frosty48 (f27e97) — 10/15/2019 @ 10:03 pmWell, I missed the whole thing. How did Little Aloha Sweetie do?
JVW (54fd0b) — 10/15/2019 @ 10:08 pmDid they even let her speak?
JVW (54fd0b) — 10/15/2019 @ 10:10 pmTulsi Gabbard got the second least amount of time to speak. Tom Steyer had the least.
Dana (05f22b) — 10/15/2019 @ 10:57 pmHere’s a clip of her going after CNN and the NYT tonight.
Dana (05f22b) — 10/15/2019 @ 11:06 pmI want a frankencandidate (no not an Al Franken candidate). Can I just take some various policy statements and mix them around so that there’s someone I’m more OK with? Please? Because I cannot vote for Trump.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/16/2019 @ 12:37 am@49 – You know, not voting at all is an option. If you vote in a democratic election, you’re agreeing to abide by the decision of the majority (of the Electoral College in this case) – unless you’re a Democrat, in which case it’s perfectly acceptable to claim to be horrified at the thought that Donald Trump may not accept the legitimacy of the election and then 5 seconds after he’s elected going straight to denouncing his election as illegitimate. Despite the “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted For The Other Guy” and the “If You Didn’t Vote You Have No Right To Complain” bumperstickers, if you voted, you have no right to complain and it doesn’t matter who you voted for, you agreed to abide by the decision of the majority.
Jerryskids (702a61) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:46 am@50 every part of what you wrote is wrong.
Time123 (d54166) — 10/16/2019 @ 3:13 amGood Lord: a WSJ piece from 2013 notes that Wall Street “coupon clipping’ stems from the days of candlestick/rotary phones- when investors literally had to clip a coupon for cash redemptions. It’s all electronic, now. But Joe, do share with Americans them $100,000/yr., teaching jobs be.
And BTW, Joe– Lindbergh made it to Paris.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2019 @ 3:59 amBeing ignored may have its benefits- I would not be surprised if Steyer and Gabbard are a thing after last night. They were next to each other at the far left of the stage and the mutual thirst was palpable.
urbanleftbehind (e6de01) — 10/16/2019 @ 5:59 amYikes, this debate is just one more piece of evidence of how completely dysfunctional our political system is right now. One would think the DEMs could find at least one moderate with some executive experience (or leadership credentials) to find his/her way into the top tier. Nope, just a pack of socialists and reminiscing-Joe, who has vascillated in his career from being hopelessly wrong to embarrassingly tedious. This is an election about leadership….not an audition on how to best spend other people’s money. Who can be commander in chief? Who can negotiate with our strategic adversaries and build coalitions? Who can change our national discourse? This is an opportunity to rise above….and all we get is more food fight. Click.
AJ_Liberty (165d19) — 10/16/2019 @ 6:12 amNo its about seizing total power, ruling iver you and me. Get that straight.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 6:14 am@43 I wonder if Biden, in any way, is super important in the era of Trump. His main draw at this point is a silly grin and the photos of him standing near BO. He’s establishment D and those scrawny boney old hands are having a lot of trouble keeping their grip on the wheel.
It looks like the wind is shifting to Warren since she’s the only remotely serious one in play. Most of them shouldn’t be anywhere near a position at the national level. How many of them have been “offended” by something? I think at least Beto and t-bone have pulled that one.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 6:58 am#55, Well, both parties are being pushed out towards the edges….how we consume media is in part driving this IMO. The DEM primary is an appeal to the Left…..and moderates cannot compete in that game. However, it’s even hard to identify a Sam Nunn or even an Evan Bayh these days. The DEM primary is like a gaggle of college freshmen smoking pot and giddily musing about how they imagine things should be….free college, free child care, $15/hr minimum wage, free health care, and the rich pay for it all…..yikes…..what has the idea of leadership descended to?
AJ_Liberty (165d19) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:06 amYes and sam nunn was on the board of theranos letting elizabeth holmes grift along with schultz and general mattis.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:08 am@57 You joke but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see internal communications from some of these candidates staff with things like “don’t forget the drum circle tonight we’ve got to brainstorm on the mandatory gun buy backs” or “several of us were hitting the bong before lunch and came up with some sick burns we need to start using”.
Good news though, I read this morning that Yang finally worked out his math on universal basic income.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:24 amWith lucille bluth in charge
https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2019/10/pelosi-delays-impeachment-inquiry-authorization-vote-claims-all-roads-seem-to-lead-to-putin-with-trump/amp/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:27 amWell back on your heads:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/joe-biden-paradox-taibbi-898603/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:34 am58, that sounds like a great cabinet to some who will have neither brand of fire water.
urbanleftbehind (e6de01) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:43 amShe knew they werent tech savvy.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:46 am, so she snowed them with carp, also on the board ceo of wells fargo.
Good morning! https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GTTvmzJew60/XacqtcA_h8I/AAAAAAAALHw/GVzz2IIFc98e7JM4U6wDfBFEDO6SueanQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2019-10-16%2Bat%2B9.35.08%2BAM.png
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 7:48 amI like Yang. he avoids the racial tribal crap. He doesn’t talk sh*t about anyone. He focuses on problems and solutions. He’s the most authentic least posturing person up there.
JRH (52aed3) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:18 am“ A new election model from Moody Analytics shows that if the economy remains healthy, Donald Trump will win the 2020 election easily.
The Moody model has been backtested to 1980 and was right each time — except for 2016 when it predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win (who didn’t?).
The model shows the uphill climb Democrats have regardless of what current polls are saying about the race.”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/election-model-shows-trump-would-steamroll-the-democrat-in-2020/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:25 amThey all were for for impeachment and most treated it as an open and shut case, although they were more highly critical of Trump’s decision re:Syria, and considered more of adisqulifcation to be president, but I note that they didn’t consder that grounds for impeachment. So the idea that impeachment shold not be used forpolicy disagreements or incompetence is still holding.
The Democrats are in lockstep with regard to certain things, even things you can sense some candidates would rather not say. Tulsi Gabbard, for instance, had to be for (or OK with) a non-bipartisan impeachment and against the decision Trump made on Syria. Incidentally the New York Times did not call her a Russian asset – it just wrote an article about how she was getting boosted in strange places.
Joe Biden confused some peole (including a Bloomberg radio commentator) into thinking that Hunter Biden was Attorney General of Delaware at some point. That was his other son, he one who died.
At one point. Elizabeth Warren, realizing that if Trump were removed from office, supposedly something she hopes for, mentioned she would win against Mike Pence or whoever the Republicans are stuck with.
Sammy Finkelman (3efdba) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:36 am@52 LOL. Coupon clipping went out more than 30 years ago. Isn’t the party discipline of the D’s remarkable. You not only had the Democrats at CNN tossing out softballs and only asking tough questions from a left-wing point of view, but all the Candidates REFUSED to go after Biden on his age or his corruption. They don’t want to help the Republicans and would rather LOSE than appear right-wing.
Meanwhile, RINO’s like Romney, Sasse, Kasich, etc. can’t wait to criticize other R’s and help the MSM and the and D’s in destroying their fellow Republicans. Anything for a pat on the back from Chuck Shumer or a smile from Chuck Todd. All Mittens did in 2008 and 2012 was trash his fellow R’s to get the nomination. And then in 2016, did everything he could to help Hillary, without actually campaigning and voting for her. Its incredible.
rcocean (1a839e) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:39 amI was surprised at the hostility toward Warren by Beto and Harris but then realized they’re looking for a VP slot with Biden or a job in the Biden Administration. Biden will have to pick a person of color OR a younger white woman as VP to Balance the ticket. Harris seems like the perfect choice. Booker would fit the bill too.
rcocean (1a839e) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:42 amYes red squaw caught a few arrows, the resr of you are you on meth, you trust the country with any of shtarkers.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:51 amYou can get a good sense of the odds the candidates give for a Trump removal by how they position themselves against Pence. The same goes for the media. That we’re not seeing a lot of reporting on the poll numbers between candidate X vs Pence points to impeachment being more of a campaign tactic.
The best money right now is on them dragging out the inquiry with consistent reports of important closed-door testimony.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:54 amHard to believe these ingrates didn’t talk about banning straws nation wide.
mg (8cbc69) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:54 amThey just to take away your guns and have you crazing like cattle.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 8:57 amI wasnt bothered by Howard Dean whooping and hollering, neither do I care that she was mean to her staff.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/16/2019 @ 9:11 amI like Yang. he avoids the racial tribal crap. He doesn’t talk sh*t about anyone. He focuses on problems and solutions. He’s the most authentic least posturing person up there.
There’s a lot about Yang that’s admirable. But my problem with him is that at heart, and as a Democrat, he truly seems to believe that there is a technocratic federal government solution to every problem we face. I would just once like to hear him (or any Democrat for that matter) say, “That’s a long-standing problem, and I don’t think there is much that Washington can do about it. Solutions will either have to come at a local level, or else people will just have to change their own behaviors.”
JVW (54fd0b) — 10/16/2019 @ 9:16 amI didn’t hear any Democrat really explain why what Trump did in Ukraine is so wrong, if not illegal. It’s not that difficult.
If the Administration had real evidence of wrongdoing, there would be a Justice Department investigation of the Bidens. In the absence of that, they put the screws to the new leader of Ukraine to get him to do their dirty work. Using their power over him to deny due process to an American citizen. The President, Vice President, the State Department and the President’s “attorney”… all guilty of collusion. Abusing their power at the expense of a fellow American.
Do you want your President sending foreign governments after you? Do you want a foreign power hacking your computer? Investigating your past? Making sh!t up about you? I didn’t think so. But that is what Trump has been seeking…. for years.
noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 10:14 amWen Bernie Sanders mentioned that he was holding a rally in Queens, I wondered;
Queens?
I didn’t connect it to Alexadra Oxasio Cortez (who reoresents a portion of Queens (and the Bronx) She is goingto endorse him or quasi endorse him.
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 10:32 amWhy does Klobuchar’s mistreatment of her staff matter? To me, it demonstrates a selfish tendency to choose her own insignificant demands over the happiness of others. Her actions appear to be devastating to those serving her.
If someone doesn’t care about those around them, they sure as hell don’t care about you. Let’s not follow this Administration with another dysfunctional one.
noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 10:36 amhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/presidential-election-model-that-got-it-wrong-once-in-40-years-predicts-trump-2020-win%22
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 10:37 am“I wasnt bothered by Howard Dean whooping and hollering,”
I was totally the opposite on his ‘I Have A Scream’ speech. That night watching I was rattled that he could become President. The fact that it sunk his campaign was a brief reaffirmation of national sanity……and then Obama and Trump took a torch to everything.
harkin (6776a3) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:01 am“Do you want your President sending your own governments after you? Do you want those who control and regulate communications hacking your computer/phone? Investigating your past? Making sh!t up about you? I didn’t think so. But that is what Democrats has been seeking…. for years.
fyp
harkin (6776a3) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:05 am76. noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 10:14 am
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:12 amToday’s Biden Gaffe:
“You know, credibility matters.” – Joe Biden
You know, you’re a known plagiarist.
Idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:16 amthey decided they need to go full yeargh, lurch wasn’t enough
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:22 am83. DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:16 am
It’s charitable to call that plagiarism.
Biden was lying about aspects of his own biography
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:22 amno sammeh, he plagiarized in law school, and then the Kinnock speech,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:23 amNote: if you notice, the way Adam Schiff has formulated the accusation, it’s just as bad for Trump to try to get Ukraine to find out the truth about Biden as it would be to try to get Ukraine to make up lies because both are asking for help in an election. (as if a true indication of lack of ethics of an candidate would be of value only to that candidate’s rival
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:27 am76… Clueless in NeverTrump
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:27 amThe Kinnock speech wasn’t just plagarism. Biden using that as his own, was lying.
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 11:27 am89… 76.
Clueless in NeverTrumpStrike that, poorly phrased…That’s one way to look at it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 12:06 pmHow about this:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/flashback-biden-lied-for-years-about-the-driver-involved-in-his-wife-daughters-death/
narciso (b0b7ad) — 10/16/2019 @ 12:06 pmJay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
The “make Elizabeth warren say she would raise taxes on the middle class” question should be a credibility killer. For the journalists who keep asking it.
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OnTheBench
@Huerts31
This is an excellent way of putting it if you believe the media and the GOP are on opposite teams
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Sen. John Blutarsky (T)
@Mongotrucker
BREAKING: Journalism Professor doesn’t believe in Journalism.
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furious_pounces_a
harkin (6776a3) — 10/16/2019 @ 12:44 pm@furious_a
MUST PROTECT THE PRECIOUS
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From Rich Galen’s Mullings e-mail/blog
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:03 pmTrump supporters are condemning Adam Schiff for paraphrasing the President? Trump supporters? They worship this President who makes stuff up almost every day. And they see no irony in it.
Schiff even had said… “this is the essence of what the president communicates”. This is “treason”? What is wrong with you people?
noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:03 pmTranscript of tyhe 4th Democratc debate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/15/october-democratic-debate-transcript/
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:09 pm71 The exact quote from Senator Elizabeth Warren about possibly running against Mike Pence:
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:12 pmMost agreed that te=hey should send pharmaceutical executives to prison. (there wouldn’t be too many of the, I presume, so it would not contribute to mass incarceration)
That is quite impossible – the statute of limitations has long expired.
And th4 deaths were caused not by selling Oxycontin and the like (with the claim there was no potential for addiction) but by cutting people off!
Plus the fact that wen anyone comes out od rehab or other detoxfication, the required doses are now much lower, and the lethal dose less than the old maintenance dose, and the substitution of fentanyl for heroin.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:20 pmHere;s kamala Harris:
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:22 pmshe might want to talk to among others, eric holder who represented purdue pharmaceuticals before the west virginia supreme court, also alice fisher formerly of the justice department,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:36 pmCNN: “Trump made 129 false claims last week”. Even if they are half accurate, this is alarming. Then, for the Democrats, we have a a leading candidate (or two) who is socialist. There may be your choices, folks.
A country of 300 million people and that’s what we have to choose from? Come on. Somebody step up as a credible 3rd Party candidate. With virtually unlimited money available for campaigns from the wealthy or online, this shouldn’t be impossible.
noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:37 pm95. noel (f22371) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:03 pm
That was ot paraphasing.
That was mischarterizing – it wasn’t a legitimate interpretation of what Trump said in the July 25, 2019 telephone call. Trump was right that he should recuse himself or resign from the committee (but not right in propsoing more)
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:38 pmJohn Bolton didn’t want that call made before the Ukrainian election and at least he succeeded in preventingthat. There was quite a lot of infighting at the White House (between those who wanted to avoid a crazy policy and others)
This is a real story but it isn;’t what Adam Schiff wants to tell.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:42 pm@97 The age and health issues are going to be a problem for them if they’ve got to run against Pence. Thanks for the transcript. That makes it seem like more of a throw-away line, i.e. I’ll outlast anyone bring’em on, etc.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:43 pmfwiw:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/16/top-diplomat-testified-that-obama-admin-not-international-community-orchestrated-ukraine-prosecutors-firing/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:52 pmand how many false claims does cnn make,
https://www.inquirer.com/news/mark-sanford-campaign-kickoff-in-philadelphia-donald-trump-2020-20191016.html
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 1:58 pm101… Dig in, noel: https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/10/15/part-2-cnn-leadership-and-staffers-reveal-true-sentiments-network-picks-favorites-among-democratic-candidates-on-eve-of-debate/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:21 pmPart 1 is tasty too, noel.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:21 pm@101 Oh, you’re not doing the crap sandwich justice. Beto has blown the doors off of we don’t want to take your guns, we don’t want to force churches to marry homosexuals, we don’t believe in late-term abortions, and I’m probably missing some others. You’ve got more than two socialists. Biden is telling news outlets what political commercials they can run and CNN is agreeing to it. T-bone and KH might as well just put token 1 and 2 on their name tags because they’re just there for when the VP polling comes back with a gender. We used to argue about whether these were strawmen not long ago and now they’ve come to life and walking around.
It’s one thing for the D’s and R’s to be a corrupt uniparty that generally keeps the car on the road, even if not always between that lanes. It’s another for both parties to have dropped acid and armed up for a road trip/cross country crime spree.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:24 pmnot really,
https://babalublog.com/2019/10/16/violent-protests-in-ecuador-plotted-from-socialist-cuba-by-corrupt-former-president-rafael-correa/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:29 pmdon’t worry, youtube is burying all that inconvenient crime think,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:42 pmDid any of them get asked a China/NBA question? Any China questions at all?
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:50 pmno, but they got a question on ellen,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 3:13 pmvery stable people,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/10/minneapolis-mayor-says-trump-supporters-on-the-internet-made-him-feel-like-a-woman/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 3:19 pmapparently,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2M9mXip9j8
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2019 @ 3:41 pm@50 This a personal belief only, no judgement on anyone else. In reality there are really only two choices for President. If I cannot vote for one, then I am functionally saying I think the other one should be President. Not voting, then, is just self-delusion and lying to myself is no better than lying to anyone else. So I cowboy-up and vote, even if I don’t really like the candidate I’m voting for.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/16/2019 @ 4:57 pm112. Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/16/2019 @ 2:50 pm
They didn’t get asked about China, but a few of them spoke about it a little. China came up mostly in connection with a question about Turkey.
One candidate mentioned Hong Kong (the subject of the deleted NBA tweet)
Three other candiates mentioned China in some fashion:
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/16/2019 @ 5:42 pmSammy says: “That was mischarterizing – it wasn’t a legitimate interpretation of what Trump said in the July 25, 2019 telephone call. Trump was right that he should recuse himself or resign”
I don’t agree, Sammy, but If “mischaracterizing” is cause for recusal or resignation…. where does that leave Barr? Or Trump. If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have no standards at all.
noel (f22371) — 10/17/2019 @ 3:18 amElijah Cummings RP> This morning. In Johns Hopkins from longstanding health problems his staff said. He looked a bit weak, but not that sick. He was easy going. Trump gave him a hard time over his political failures, which he shared with every other urban Democrat from a distrcict with ahigh crime rate (and otehr problems that went with that.
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/17/2019 @ 3:54 am118. noel (f22371) — 10/17/2019 @ 3:18 am
It wasn’t general mischarcterizing but his Schiff’s excuse would be that he was interpreting what Trump said.He was almost pretending that was what really said (everyone knew they had atranscript)
Barr didn’t distort the Meller report. Perhaps he disregarded the caveats, that there could be obstruction. But nothing he said was wrong.
Schiff was heading what is supposed to be an impartial bipartian committee.
Sammy Finkelman (3ce3e5) — 10/17/2019 @ 3:57 amSammy says: “Barr didn’t distort the Meller report.”
Do I really need to respond, Sammy?
noel (f22371) — 10/17/2019 @ 4:13 am“The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office’s work and conclusions,” MUELLER wrote. MUELLER wrote. MUELLER wrote.
noel (f22371) — 10/17/2019 @ 4:25 am@122 There are a few distinctions between those two situations. However you want to characterize what Barr said he did release the report. Schiff has a history of flat out lying about information he supposedly has because of his position but “can’t release”. This thing with the transcript isn’t the first time. That’s also a large part of why he’s shifted to closed door testimony. Someone in his position shouldn’t be doing that and that is a true statement no matter who is saying it.
On the plus side, I hear Pelosi made a decision about whether to vote on the impeachment inquiry yesterday. Maybe we can get this ball rolling.
Frosty, Fp (f27e97) — 10/17/2019 @ 5:11 amDo they ever tell the truth?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1184599218654044160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184599218654044160&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Falthouse.blogspot.com%2F
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 5:42 amWeissman who destroyed arthur andersen, because of a tiny group working at enron, wrote the secomd half of that report.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 5:46 amSince this has turned into a link thread, someone should investigate this.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/17/2019 @ 6:35 amAh yes nifongs last defender on earth,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 6:37 amIs that comment directed at me?
DRJ (15874d) — 10/17/2019 @ 6:54 amIf so, apologize now because that is not true and you know it.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/17/2019 @ 6:56 amNo that was cohans previous work, he ran over the duke lacrosse boys all over again, vanity fair isnt fit for trash.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:02 amThis was his any earlier work, bought crystal mangums story hook line and sinke
https://www.amazon.com/Price-Silence-Lacrosse-Corruption-Universities/dp/1451681798&ved=2ahUKEwjv4bLYuqPlAhWlUt8KHQPXAaYQFjACegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2dNsCaroImoNRKmKN2NAmM&cshid=1571320979111
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:05 amVery interesting article at your link at 126, DRJ. I find the implication very credible. I would even say that I have no doubt that Trump and his money-grubbing criminal family and cronies are manipulating the markets for both pecuniary and political profit as the writer describes.
nk (dbc370) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:06 amHas Trump picked out the formal he’ll wear to the impeachment inquiry yet?
nk (dbc370) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:13 amI think the reason for discrediting/ignoring the message because of the messenger is to avoid falling victim to incorrect information. That is reasonable but it is also true that “bad” messengers can have accurate messages, and “good” messengers can have inaccurate messages.
It seems to me that reading widely and exercising judgment is a better tactic … but you know this and I think that is what you try to do. Thus, I view your comment a deflection to avoid this topic.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:15 amI agree, nk 132.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:15 amDo you read bellesiles, much
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyivpost/status/1184828775357386752?s=21
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:21 amHes a patent fraud, who tried to salvage duke and nifongs reputation
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:22 amNow graydon carter covered for s
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:27 amEpstein 16 years ago, pretended to be against weinstein, but showed no evidence of it.
Maybr there were reasons to be cautious.
https://www.unian.info/m/economics/10722594-sbu-suspects-ex-deputy-economy-minister-of-subversive-activities-in-favor-of-russia.html
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:29 amShe took on weissman and won 9-0, could salvage arthur andersen hsbc and accenture were the remaining scraps.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/17/why-it-matters-that-sidney-powell-wants-data-from-joseph-mifsuds-smartphones/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:32 amThey paid 6 million for this,
https://thedispatch.com/
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:39 amMy friend clarice took om what seemed an impossible case and challenged a watergate prosecutor on appeal and won, the slug went on to be a vp at united technologies
narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2019 @ 7:43 amShocka!
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2019/10/17/no-more-pretense-journalists-dems-use-identical-talking-points
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/17/2019 @ 1:02 pm