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9/18/2019

Guess Who Is Being Dismissive About Estimated Size Of Crowd At Elizabeth Warren Rally?

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:24 pm



[guest post by Dana]

This is just so rich coming from President Trump. After all, we’re talking about a president who became obsessed with the size of his inaugural crowd. It was so important to Trump that the crowd size was the largest in inaugural history that Trump sent out spokesman Sean Spicer on his first day of work to accuse the media of inaccurate reporting. Moreover, a government photographer even admitted later that he had cropped out empty spaces in his inauguration photographs so that the crowds would appear larger. Nothing less than the Biggest Crowd Ever would suffice for our new president.

Remember this exchange with David Muir of ABC News:

MUIR: And just before we leave, the President tells us he wants to show us just one more image.

TRUMP: One thing this shows is how far they go over here. Look. Look how far this is. This goes all the way down here. All the way down. Nobody sees that. You don’t see that in the pictures. But when you look at this tremendous sea of love — I call it a sea of love. It’s really something special, that all these people traveled here from all parts of the country, maybe the world, but all parts of the country. Hard for them to get here. Many of these people were the forgotten men and women, many of them. And they loved what I had to say. More importantly, they’re going to love the result.

Anyway, apparently not all seas of love are equal: President Trump dismissed the estimated size of the crowd at Elizabeth’s Warren’s rally in New York City, and followed it up with a “What’s the big deal, anyone can draw a big crowd there” sneer. This really isn’t important news, of course, but it is a reminder of the dishonest, petty narcissism of Trump, and how size continually matters to him. Pot meet kettle:

President Donald Trump on Tuesday dismissed assertions that more than 20,000 people turned out for Democratic presidential hopeful Elizabeth Warren’s rally in New York on Monday evening, lobbing accusations of crowd-size inflation that have long been leveled at himself.

“Certainly, if I went to Manhattan, if I went there — No. 1, she didn’t have 20,000 people and No. 2, I think anybody would get a good crowd there,” he told reporters on Air Force One, according to a pool report. “I think you have a good crowd there if you don’t even go there, just say you’re going and how many people are in the park.”

Trump did not provide a basis for his claim. The 20,000 estimation for the rally, which packed Manhattan’s Washington Square Park, comes from the Warren campaign, but it does not yet appear to have been corroborated by the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation. The department has said it permitted the event for an audience of up to 10,000.

A little more detail:

“Anybody that can’t get people standing in the middle of Manhattan in the most densely populated area of the country — anybody could do that,” the president said in California to reporters traveling with him. “I think more Democrats should do it. I get these crowds in areas that nobody’s ever seen crowds before. Pretty amazing.

The event is reportedly the largest to date for a Warren appearance. She spoke at the rally, and then stayed after for four hours afterward to take photos with her supporters.

–Dana

72 Responses to “Guess Who Is Being Dismissive About Estimated Size Of Crowd At Elizabeth Warren Rally?”

  1. It’s always all about him.

    Dana (fdf131)

  2. “This really isn’t important news, of course, but it is a reminder of the dishonest, petty narcissism of Trump, and how size continually matters to him.”

    You’re right. It’s not really important news, except that the media has been hyping crowd size numbers as important news long before Trump ran for president. It’s since stopped being important news and became “petty narcissism”.

    Munroe (4dce03)

  3. I’m starting to think every liberal at one time or another wore blackface or a KKK hood or a Nazi uniform or pretended to be a Native American to get ahead and just somehow forgot about it.

    TIME
    @TIME
    Exclusive: Justin Trudeau wore brownface at 2001 ‘Arabian Nights’ party while he taught at a private school, Canada’s Liberal Party admits

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    harkin (8f010c)

  4. So, Trump “Doubts” its 20,000. And the the Campaign “thinks” and “estimates” it was 20,000.

    But orange man bad. Okey-dokey.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  5. *shrug* Maybe he should put his money where his mouth is.

    Nic (896fdf)

  6. Trump will overexaggerate his own accomplishment both real and imagined and will diminish the accomplishments of his rivals -ALL DAY EVERY DAY- its baked in. Compete with him and as Tom Wolfe said he “will fight you down to the last unbroken hyoid bone”.
    Years ago in college basketball, both Nolan Richardson of Arkansas and Jerry Tarkanian at UNLV played a constant, very aggressive, very skillful full court press. Richardson called it “40 minutes of hell” for the other team. They were constantly pushing shoving swiping, so often that the refs swallowed the whistle and let the teams play. These small fouls got baked in.

    steveg (354706)

  7. I’m voting for Trump. But if he could just turn his ego down from 10 to 7, he’d be much more effective. You are already President. Would help his cause immeasurably if he acted like it.

    Bugg (ebf485)

  8. Because the press would cover him fairly and account for our successes, we know thats not true

    Narciso (68a66e)

  9. Trump is a buffoon and he’s too old to change.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. I see aaron ‘tractor’ rupar, is still trying to destroy kavanaughs life, have you not gotten the message yet?

    Narciso (68a66e)

  11. Compete with him and as Tom Wolfe said he “will fight you down to the last unbroken hyoid bone”.

    Unless you’re Iran or Russia or North Korea. Then Trump is gentle like a flower. He treats American POWs like garbage, but our most bitter enemies think Trump’s weak, for good reason.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  12. 7… I agree, Bugg. If only. A win would certainly be better for the country than what a few here appear to be willfully pining for.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. 3… This evening, Trudeau admitted to incidents in high school, as well.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. Hopefully they will realize there is no fallback when this place falls, and with any of those candidates it wi.

    Narciso (68a66e)

  15. @15 The Repbulicans say that with every Democratic President and the Democrats say it with every Republican one and it’s a lie every time either says it. OH NOES THE SKY IS FALLING. Well, no, it ain’t Chicken Little.

    Nic (896fdf)

  16. 16… as a father and a grandfather, IMO the next election will set the stage for the continuation of free market capitalism or a left turn down the Socialist path. YMMV.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. Uh huh. And they said that during the election for Teddy Roosevelt. Looks like the country survived then too.

    Nic (896fdf)

  18. @2 It is important news because the President of the US began his presidency by LYING about crowd size, because he LIES about literally everything. There is nothing he won’t LIE about. That’s newsworthy.

    JRH (52aed3)

  19. “IMO the next election will set the stage for the continuation of free market capitalism or a left turn down the Socialist path. YMMV.”

    Let’s check out a past prediction:

    “the path that Obama would like to take this country down should he win re-election – and make no mistake, he would view re-election as an overwhelming mandate for approval of his agenda – is the path to oblivion and we need to avoid it by any legitimate means necessary.”
    http://patterico.com/2012/04/04/president-obamas-marvelous-speech/#comment-945646

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  20. 18… yeah, they said Obama was competent, had no racial axe to grind and had no designs on a radical remake of the healthcare system. They were wrong.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  21. I really hope a woman – basically any woman – beats Trump in the coming election. I don’t know whom it would offend more, him or his supporters.

    Leviticus (b797ac)

  22. 20… see #21… if you think Obama’s second term was a success, the 2014 and 2016 election results indicate otherwise.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. And sadly he ‘suceeded’ much more to our detriment than we are willing to admit, this is why there was the whole russian snipe hunt.

    Narciso (68a66e)

  24. “if you think Obama’s second term was a success, the 2014 and 2016 election results indicate otherwise.”

    You didn’t predict whether Obama would be successful, you predicted “oblivion” if he was re-elected.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  25. 22… that is so deep!

    Here’s one… Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. @21 I think you might be misremembering. Obama gave speeches on how we needed universal healthcare and remaking the healthcare system. IDK how that could possibly be misconstrued as not having designs on a radical remake of the healthcare system. He was really really really upfront about it.

    And he was competent, just not on a direction you preferred (also sometimes not in the direction I would’ve preferred). Though I’d guess we all preferred not keep downward spiraling into a depression, and we didn’t, so he was at least not incompetent in that area, which you should approve of.

    Nic (896fdf)

  27. 25… your reading comprehension is not at the level it should be…

    “the path that Obama would like to take this country down should he win re-election”… is oblivion

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Tedious twit, they had to have him because harper, eleventy.

    Narciso (68a66e)

  29. I really really want to make an oblivion gates joke now, but I think this might be the wrong audience.

    Nic (896fdf)

  30. “Radical remake of the healthcare system. He was really really really upfront about it.”

    Yeah… he sure was. How many times did he say in a speech “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”… what around a hundred times?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. “the path that Obama would like to take this country down should he win re-election”… is oblivion

    It’s 2019, he’s not been president for years, and he was re-elected, no oblivion. Just like when W got re-elected and dems said the earth would end.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  32. C’mon, it’s late, not in the mood for another 24 hours of hate session, klink.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. @31 You realize there is a significant difference between what you claimed originally and what you just said?

    And I know this is the terrible terrible beef of people who hate Obamacare (I’m not particularly concerned about it one way or another JSYK, though I think eliminating it is a losing position at this point.), and the most tragic thing that ever happened to the 6 people who were affected, but having to change doctors is not exactly the end of the world.

    Nic (896fdf)

  34. Obama this week: “I’m proud of the fact we didn’t have indictments.”

    The tally hasn’t even started.

    Munroe (732181)

  35. “your reading comprehension is not at the level it should be…”

    So, he was thwarted? Blocked in his nefarious schemes? Changed his mind? Did he lack the skills needed to destroy the country?

    Also, looking at that thread, there sure were a lot of folks who cared about the deficit. I wonder what changed.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  36. “but having to change doctors is not exactly the end of the world.”
    Nic (896fdf) — 9/18/2019 @ 9:12 pm

    Lemme take a wild stab here…. Public employee?

    If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Tell me I’m wrong.

    Munroe (732181)

  37. 37… I expect you are correct. They have a different way of viewing the world. A guy or gal working in the private sector with dependents has a bit more skin in the game.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. Airforce brat.

    I have, in my adult life, had to change doctors and not had to (I’m currently a school admin, but I wasn’t in education until I was in my 30s, before that I was either private sector or self-insured.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  39. Oh, I should probably give some context to why being an AF brat would have relevance. I don’t think I had the same doctor more than twice in a row until I graduated from college and had private insurance from my job.

    Nic (896fdf)

  40. C’mon, it’s late, not in the mood for another 24 hours of hate session, klink.

    Then don’t spout nonsense, won’t get called on nonsense.

    When is this Obama oblivion starting, it’s getting kinda late.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  41. Right, but everyone losing their private insurance is the goal they are finally honest about that, but the consequences.

    Narciso (68a66e)

  42. Changing doctors is mostly a minor inconvenience, which is why it is not the main issue with the ACA, as most anyone then in the private sector w/ insurance and particularly business owners would attest. However minor the inconvenience, it still substantiates the lie.

    Munroe (732181)

  43. @44 yup, but I’m not arguing that it didn’t, I’m just saying that Obama did not pretend he wasn’t planning on radically changing the healthcare system as a whole.

    Nic (896fdf)

  44. the above should be @43 sigh.

    Nic (896fdf)

  45. 39ff

    Actually, changing doctors (or, more important, not having the ability to change doctors!) coukd, in certain circumstances, be very dangerous.

    If someone is healthy and has no problems, it means almost nothing.

    If there is a problem, even of both doctors are equally good or bad, there is the problem of loss of information.

    I think anyone forced to always use different doctors is getting, just by virtue of that fact alone, poorer quality care on average than someone who can keep them, but the difference in the quality of care, within reason, doesn’t mattter for a lot of people because they have no big problems or because medical history is irrelevant to their (emergency) complaint.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d7dd8)

  46. 17. 21. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/18/2019 @ 7:40 pm & 8:45 pm

    as a father and a grandfather, IMO the next election will set the stage for the continuation of free market capitalism or a left turn down the Socialist path. YMMV.

    Unlikely, even if the person elected president wants to go there, because there wouldn’t be majority in Congress for it.

    I’m more worried about absurd environmental and anti-climate change laws, and we’ve slowly had a lot of these laws passed, now often on the state level. This week there’s another stupidity (orf aslightly different nature) – banning a lot of vaping products partially helped along by the FDA, Trump’s FDA even.

    It’s actually causing a very serious health problem and they are scapegoating all the legitimate (or big) manufacturers.

    All the problems are obviously caused by Brand X vaping products, which now have a black maket because sales are being banned to younger people and in certain localities.

    It’s not even the marijuana vapes.

    I also don’t like this attempt to create a politial machine – and the serious proposalsto pack the Supreme Court.

    they said Obama was competent, had no racial axe to grind and had no designs on a radical remake of the healthcare system. They were wrong.

    He didn’t have aracial axe to grind. But he didn’t want to knock down anyone who did. He wasn’t for immediately doing a radical remake of the health care system, comoaring it to the way Civil Rights laws were gradually passed.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d7dd8)

  47. The thing about environmental concerns is that they are often pretty individual on a state by state basis. I know that Trump is currently up in arms about California, but there are specific reasons that CA is very interested in options that improve air quality. Much of the state is either backed up to mountains or in a bowl, which means that our air is often pretty terrible even with higher air quality standards than in the rest of the country (in the summer the sky is often visibly brownish. ick. and it can physically hurt to breathe if you have any lung sensitivity). This is not a problem for, say, Kansas. Florida and much of the east coast may have concerns re the possiblity of rising oceans and abatement of that issue. States with a lot of chemical industries might have concerns there. If your river burns, you probably have concerns about water pollution. Much of the mid-country states probably should be looking at pesticides and groundwater. Our issues are not all the same and the government has to balance those issues, so a regulation that helps stateA might look silly to stateB and one that helps stateB might look silly to stateA, while the federal level should, theoretically be trying to balance the needs of both stateA and stateB.

    Everyone should quit talking about meddling with the supreme court. It’s working the way it’s supposed to and the Dems need to quit being petty about it. (When it’s their turn, the Republicans should quit being petty about it as well. The Garland thing was uncalled for.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  48. Nice,

    As a military dependent, you may have had many different doctors but the important point is you had access to doctors. I live in West Texas where there are already limited doctors, especially specialists. Losing access to a doctor where I live frequently means I have to travel long distances to find a replacement. There are already barriers/limitations to getting medical care where I live. ObamaCare added more.

    DRJ (15874d)

  49. Mittens/Gruber laid the groundwork for Obummer care. The majority of people in Massachusetts are commie fruitcakes that listen to grifters like Mittens.

    mg (8cbc69)

  50. Mittens/Gruber write the disastrous health care for Ma. Olympia Snowe votes for obamacare out of committee. Judge Roberts rewrites obamacare. Republicans are traitors to the voters.

    mg (8cbc69)

  51. Obama this week: “I’m proud of the fact we didn’t have indictments.”

    The tally hasn’t even started.

    Munroe (732181) — 9/18/2019 @ 9:13 pm

    It’s been 3 years with a Trump DOJ. The Trump DOJ chose not to indict Comey. But i’m sure the investigation into HRC will be announced right after the check from Mexico to pay for the wall clears. Or maybe he’s waiting to win his trade war with China. I hear those are easy to win. Has he figured out how to get his NAFTA modifications passed yet? Maybe if he spent less time obsessing about crowd size he’d get more done.

    Time123 (353edd)

  52. Serious comment for everyone who brought up Trump getting laughed at for his obsession with crowd size.

    An obsession is when you take interest in something normal to an extreme level. It’s normal to be interested in the size of rallies at a political event. Trump takes it to a ridiculous level. This is obviously a subjective thing. For instance I might tell you I went for a run and am really happy with my time. We might talk about that for a couple minutes. My buddy that does CrossFit will spend all evening telling us about his 45 minute workout. I’m interested in working out, he’s obsessed.

    Time123 (353edd)

  53. @53 With respect Mr. Time, your analogy is way off. If your buddy spent 5 minutes in the CrossFit lobby, then went home, ate a few cheeseburgers, and proclaimed no one in history had ever had a longer and more demanding CrossFit workout than he himself had just had… that’s getting closer.

    JRH (52aed3)

  54. JHR, Be fair. Trump get’s some pretty big crowds. There are a lot of people that want to see him do his show.

    Time123 (353edd)

  55. This is just dumb. So the Indian Outlaw (half Cherokee and Choctaw) drew 20K (though the NYC Parks department says the capacity there is about 10K, so ?) in a city of about 8 million, in a metropolitan area of about about 20 million. A city where many of her most loyal supporters are concentrated and basically only needed to walk two blocks to get to her rally. Meanwhile, Trump draws at least 7.5K (inside) with an overflow of another 2-3K (on the stingy side) to an event where people knew the seating was going to be limited, in Albuquerque, a metropolitan area of about 1 million. Where Latinos (supposedly Trump hates Latinos) are about 40% of the population. But Warren is more popular than Trump. Of course.

    Somebody can’t do even back-of-the-envelope math. A child could see how dumb this is.

    PTw (894877)

  56. PTw, Who said Warren was more popular? i think you misread the post.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  57. And as for this:
    Trump takes it to a ridiculous level. This is obviously a subjective thing. For instance I might tell you I went for a run and am really happy with my time. We might talk about that for a couple minutes. My buddy that does CrossFit will spend all evening telling us about his 45 minute workout. I’m interested in working out, he’s obsessed.

    Why do you suppose Trump is even addressing this? If you note leftist activists and the media (BIRM) are the ones who brought this whole thing up. They’re pushing Warren to be the nominee.
    I refer you to JVW’s post showing Warren to be a 3:2 favorite. How many times do you suppose reporters and such asked Trump what he thought about the crowd Warren, the Dem front runner, drew? Now compare that with how many times were you or your buddy asked about your workouts. Capisce?

    PTw (894877)

  58. Who said Warren was more popular? i think you misread the post.

    That is the leftist talking point that is driving this obsession with the (supposed) obsession Trump has about Warren’s rally. It’s what “The event is reportedly the largest to date for a Warren appearance. She spoke at the rally, and then stayed after for four hours afterward to take photos with her supporters” (from this post) alludes to.

    PTw (894877)

  59. “It’s been 3 years with a Trump DOJ.”
    Time123 (353edd) — 9/19/2019 @ 4:55 am

    Apparently you need a full 8 years to get indictments in an administration that hasn’t yet even been inaugurated.

    Munroe (732181)

  60. @55. Of course Trump has big crowds. That’s not in dispute. It’s that he has to have the biggest and the best. A govt photographer edited photos to make his inaugural crowd look bigger after Trump intervened. That is just batsh*t crazy and pathological.

    JRH (52aed3)

  61. Ptw, I don’t think that’s at all what the quoted portion says. I think it just provides details about the event.

    Time123 (6b7f02)

  62. like mr. julius caesar of whom it was said that he was a husband to women and a wife to men, mr. roy cohn’s slicked-up boy toy is a peach to some and an orange to others but in either case still a fruit, and that is totally baffling to normal people who have no frame of reference for such a creature

    nk (dbc370)

  63. “I really hope a woman – basically any woman – beats Trump in the coming election. I don’t know whom it would offend more, him or his supporters.”

    If an American version of Margaret Thatcher had existed in 2016, she would have beaten Trump in 2016 but only after being declared a traitor to her gender and a female Hitler by the Dems/msm.

    I’m pretty sure you’ll get your shot to vote Warren next year. Unless somehow Biden corrects his heavy list or the Mooch gets drafted.

    harkin (58d012)

  64. “That is the leftist talking point that is driving this obsession with the (supposed) obsession Trump has about Warren’s rally.”

    Good point. The more they get Trump to talk Warren, the more she comes off as his opponent. Trump is not smart enough to stay silent and instead feeds the same type of CW dynamo that got him the nomination.

    harkin (58d012)

  65. If Obama was only moderately competent, you would think his plan would’ve fixed health care . That was certainly how it was sold to America. Alas, it did not improve things at all; it made things much, much worse. Instead you can now subject yourself to filling out a 1095A, or a 1065, or… these insane Dem debates. Good luck with any of that.

    Obama gave pleasant-sounding, superficial speeches filled with empty platitudes and tired leftist bromides and..that was about it. He was a front man; he had NO IDEA what was even in his crazy plan. There is no great intellect beyond understanding those who put him in power, and how he appealed to them. He was happy to have the top job and leave the details to the hacks who put him there. And silly white liberals would pretend such was greatness. African-Americans knew long ago he was the epitome of an empty suit inner city pol; recall Jessie Jackson’s hot mike slip up about nuts.Think Chapelle talking about African-Americans supporting Jussie Smollet with their collective silence; having a black president was cool even if he was bad at the job. And toward the end of his term got the sense even he realized he was utterly full of…

    Bugg (ebf485)

  66. we know what he desired, to admitted to select audiences, he knew single payer could not be achieved in one fell swope, we know who at least contributed to the design (Robert creamer and the Apollo project)

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. 12… Dustin is wrong, of course:

    A list of Trump admin actions taken against Russia beginning in January 2017 thru June 2019:

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/amp/

    Re: Iran… Trump is further tightening sanctions against Iran, which is the prudent thing to do. Iran would like nothing more than to bait the US into a war… they continue to deny it all and play the victim, as the Euros – who prioritize making money with the Mullah pederasts while looking the other way – remain silent as the US is cast as the aggressor. The sanctions have nearly brought their economy to its knees, and further strengthening them will tighten the screws. Having said that, it may be appropriate to have our military and intelligence svc take covert action… hit them where and when it hurts.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. 12,000 attended her rally.
    How.

    mg (8cbc69)

  69. “These are not normal times. There is (for now) no longer a Democratic Party. Instead, it is a revolutionary Jacobin movement that believes socialism is our salvation, that identity politics is our creed, that gun confiscation is our duty, that the abrupt end of fossil fuels is coming very soon, that open borders is our new demography, and that the archetypical unmarried, childless, urban hipster is our model woke citizen.”

    — Victor Davis Hanson

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. I think i made the same points, but without the good professors eloquence

    Narciso (181de5)

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