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9/12/2019

Joe Biden Tips His Debate Hand: Dem Debate Open Thread

Filed under: General — JVW @ 4:27 pm



[guest post by JVW]

I suppose the Democrats are about to get started with their latest gasbaggery tonight in Houston, the largest city in a state they are perpetually threatening to turn purple. Joe Biden, who has been something of a punching bag up until now, sent out a tweet earlier today which pretty much gives away what his debate theme will be this evening:

Recall that the kvetching among the Democrats thus far has been all about how it is time to acknowledge that Obama wasn’t wokedy-woke enough for their tastes. I take this to mean that Biden, if he avoids getting easily distracted by recalling a wildly inaccurate vignette from history or noticing in the audience a hairdo that needs immediate sniffing, will henceforth provide at least a mild dissent from the leftward lurch that has defined his party this election season and is causing some angina among the party’s traditional chislers and bagmen.

It won’t be the same without My Little Aloha Sweetie wantonly wrecking political careers as she sees fit or Crazy Cute Hippie Crystal Chick resetting the world’s chakras with a pure act of selfless love, so I’m going to sit this one out. Feel free to provide updates below.

– JVW

139 Responses to “Joe Biden Tips His Debate Hand: Dem Debate Open Thread”

  1. Predictions: (1) No one will ask Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren under what Constitutional authority they will issue all of these Executive Orders they promise to issue to ban certain items they find distasteful, such as guns and the Senate filibuster. (2) Bernard Sanders will at no point radiate a calm, laid-back persona. (3) Pete Buttigieg will say something insufferable in his opening statement. (4) Some media analysis will assure us that either Cory Booker or Robert O’Rourke had a great night, but their poll numbers will not budge.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. Its a travesty jww, but she has already used her three lifelines

    Narciso (9b9220)

  3. What a sorry lot of sloggers. However, as a person who adores good manners and consideration, I tip my hat to Joe Biden, who, when moderators tell him his allotted time (in the debate, not in life) is up, consistently stops talking. It’s old-school manners in action. This in contrast to the other wanna-be’s, who consistently ignore the rules, and keep on yammering as if our very lives depend on what is coming out of their mouths. And how sad is it that that is the only real thing that stands out to me from these yahoos.

    Dana (fdf131)

  4. No one will ask Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren under what Constitutional authority they will issue all of these Executive Orders they promise to issue to ban certain items they find distasteful, such as guns and the Senate filibuster.

    Because when W did it, it was bad, Obama said “hold my beer”, Trump said “puff puff pass…baby”, so do we think when President Kamala Sanders Warren takes over, they won’t up the double down, and the congressional R’s will talk about how bad it is.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  5. Holy crap! Yang has out-pandered even Gillbrand:

    Andrew Yang will announce tonight that his campaign will randomly select 10 families and give them a total of $120,000 over the next year

    Depending on where you land on the political spectrum, I suppose this either falls under vote buying, or trying to show how happy people will be with a Universal Basic Income. Pretty crass move. He’ll score big with this.

    Heh. Oprah’s playbook.

    Dana (fdf131)

  6. I don’t like how Warren and Harris aren’t committed enough to their propositions that they won’t fight for what they believe in, but instead opt to take the easy road that their male predecessors have taken. Smash that glass ceiling, ladies, you’re better than this!

    Dana (fdf131)

  7. Houston again? I guess it’s Silly Season there.

    There was a news report today about a bunch of Greenpeace activists protesting fossil fuels in Houston by suspending themselves from a bridge. Looked like a bunch of pinatas.

    Chuck Bartowski (a2c25f)

  8. #5

    Holy crap! Yang has out-pandered even Gillbrand:

    Andrew Yang will announce tonight that his campaign will randomly select 10 families and give them a total of $120,000 over the next year

    Depending on where you land on the political spectrum, I suppose this either falls under vote buying, or trying to show how happy people will be with a Universal Basic Income. Pretty crass move. He’ll score big with this.

    Heh. Oprah’s playbook.

    Dana (fdf131) — 9/12/2019 @ 5:05 pm

    How does that not violate election laws???

    whembly (51f28e)

  9. Did Mr. Yang bring up the issue of taxes on the money he plans to give people?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/09/13/a-look-back-at-oprahs-ultimate-car-giveaway/#340247b660ff

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  10. Memo to JoeyBee – Quoting the phrase – ‘unwilling to postpone’ from JFK’s ‘moon speech’ at Rice, – 57 years to the DAY he made it… September 12, 1962… dates you. He’s dead, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. Hair on a hinge; too much hairspray on the left side, Kamala.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. Chattanooga Choo Choo.

    Pardon me Joe, is that the Barack Obama you knew?
    Back in 2008, you said he looked and talked great
    You can’t afford to run as though you lack the first clue
    Some brain cells are there but just a couple to spare

    You leave your hotel suite ’bout a quarter to four
    Ride in a limo then you’re shoved through the door
    Trowel on the make-up then your feet hit the floor
    Wouldn’t you love to grab a gal and blow in her ear
    Just on a lark, all cats are grey in the dark

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. ‘Cancer is personal to me,’ rails JoeyBee.

    Joe, you incredibly emaciated idiot, ‘cancer’ is personal to EVERYBODY.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Pop that vein, Joe! The TeeVee lights really bring out your facial relief.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. Sad that Tulsi isn’t around to scalp lieawatha.

    mg (8cbc69)

  16. Yang campaign mailers will now have images of smiling Ed McMahon and Dick Clark on them.

    harkin (58d012)

  17. JoeyBee references first, JFK, now MLK; he’s been dead more than half a century, too, Joe.

    Watching these weenies snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is just mind-boggling. Don’t any of them or their staff know anything about television? Don’t any of them understand why Trump won and will win again? Don’t they know that reciting numbers glazes the eyes over; that television is a cool medium and raging hotly on camera creates heat, not light. You must know how to entertain the audience. The coolest kid on camera is Mayor ‘Boot-a-fucco’– right down to the blue tie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. Chuy Castro and his Cheshire Cat Stimpy smile

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. I’m not bothering to watch the debate because I have some drying paint that requires my close attention, but I heard a rumor that they stuck Beto and Bernie next to each other, they both started talking at the same time and the lift generated by the arm-flapping picked the left side of the stage nearly 4 feet off the ground.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  20. Castro bayonets Joe again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. Annie Linskey
    @AnnieLinskey
    Biden: “Nobody should be in jail for a non-violent crime.”
    __ _

    Aintropy
    @Aintropy
    Setting Bernie Madoff free wasn’t the flex I was expecting.

    _

    harkin (58d012)

  22. What the eff is that Tango Blaster/Brown Beret’s endgame?..got to get him to an appointment with Arkancide somehow.

    urbanleftbehind (cfe670)

  23. You mean the thalosiam from san antonio, i think.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  24. Bernie Sanders may blow a head gasket tonight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. So far they’ve discussed only health care plans, guns, the presence of racism and immigration with minor digressions into procedural issues like does a president have a right or ability to issue executive ordrrs, ad the Senate filiibuster, and should you go and seek partial victory and what’s on page 8 of a bill. And there ws some dogressionnary comments on crime in genersl.”

    Coryy Booker talked about the number of blaccks being killed but aparently no one connects this with the idea of putting people in jail. They want to eliminate bad guns only.

    Amy Klobuchar wants people now to put pressure on Senator Mitch McConnell,

    Someone complained about Trump being a game show host and Andrew Yang wants to gove $1,000 a month to ten people who log on to his web site.

    And there;s whether Biden wants to take credit for everything good Obama did but not bad. Eerybody seems to agree that Trump was a racist and very bad in general too. Not everyone said but no one disputed that Trump had indoirectly caused the El Paso shooter.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  26. Bernie looks like a mad scientist and sounds like Bea Arthur…

    You can’t make this stuff up… https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1172318380310745089

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. Now there’s a discussion about trade.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  28. 23. Nobody is thnking things through. Nobody has to.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  29. Now finallly, foreign policy, or at least Afghanistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  30. “I’m starting to think that Liz Warren might just be the perfect combination of angry and incoherent to win the nomination.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. Empty platitudes and cliches all around…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Elizabeth Warren will bring troops home from Afghanistan without a deal. It;s not helping …Afghanistan.

    She says we shouldn’t try to solve problem militarily that can’t be solved militarily. She says we need to work togetehr with allies. Economic help and diplomacy.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  33. If you’re like me and can’t cotton the idea of watching the debate, Popehat is doing a pretty swell job of live-Tweeting it.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  34. I entered the Campaign Clearing House contest, Sammy.

    Show me teh money!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. This is the agony booth from that trek episode.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  36. “Hello, America,
    You are racists,
    We despise you,
    Now vote for us!”

    Jeez, can’t take it. Going to watch baseball or something civilized.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  37. “Gun confiscation is a hot issue… it’s hot as fvck… it’s hotter than baby poop-infused guacamole.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. “… teh deadliest massacre of Latinos… LATINOS!!!… happened in this country.”

    more pandering…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Well this is the alternative, choose wisely.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  40. 42…the Pulse nightclub dude, the ghost of James Huberty, and Sharptons goons who did in the discount clothing mart are looking for an alcoholic beverage to have held for them.

    urbanleftbehind (cfe670)

  41. 44… Jorge Ramos is a tool…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. 37. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/12/2019 @ 6:46 pm

    37.I entered the Campaign Clearing House contest, Sammy.

    Andrew Yang revealed another idea – give every voter (or is it citizen>) $100 which could on;y be used on political campaigns. He added also some other charitable causes, A good idea but if it all can be used in a different way, it won;t help finance political campaigns. And there needs to e seed money.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  43. Sometimes the questions have a point of view, often designed to argue that the operson bein asked the question is wrong. To Bernie Sanders about Venezuela (it was mostly a softball the hard part ofwhy he didn’t call Maduro a dictattor he brshed foff by sayibg he was a tyrant.)

    Also to Andrew Yang about charter schools. He still wants to pay teachers mre. Like doctors. Does anyone there realize that the reason helath care costs so much moe in the U.S. is in part because doctors get paid less? And making it cheaper can only come about by ppaying a=many doctors less

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  44. Brazil and climate change also came up. Nobody disputed that the danger was geat and they all pretended that whatever proposed would affect it although I don’t think any models suport that.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  45. Yeah but Ramos could teach Booker a thing or several on beard selection.

    urbanleftbehind (cfe670)

  46. Kamala Harris’s voice always sounds like it’s reaking.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  47. Univision did the supposed lover of the pulse shooter, thats how sleazy they are, abc presented altered video from sanford and the enabler was working in la.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  48. Booker got asked a clumsy question about whether he thought everyone should follow his
    diet (because sme people thught it would help fight cllimate change)

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  49. Ramos does the best impression of a latino geirge clooney, do i need to paint the picture.

    So they noninated mrs burke to the illinois supreme court, que agallas

    Narciso (7658f4)

  50. Popehat seems to think open borders is a good thing. So I stopped reading him. He can vote for Warren in 2020, or just stay home. I assume he did that in 2016.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  51. Julian Castro alks about not voting for something a client of his law firm wanted (to build a golf course opover an acquifier) and under ethics rules he coukdn’t go against his client so he resigned fom his law firm. Earning $100,000 a year – and the city council only paid a little over $1,999 a year, but he chose the city council.

    That ends the debate.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  52. I tried to watch some of the debate, really, I tried. But without a quart of whiskey its impossible to listen to these silly dull clowns for more than 15 minutes. Not to mention the dull/stupid ABC “News” people.

    No one is going to care about these debates, until it gets down to 3-4 serious candidates. And they start attacking each other and saying why they deserve it over the other guys. I’m not interested in listening to 2% O’Dork ramble on about “who’s a racist”. Or how Buttigeg will handle Russia, when he won’t even win NH.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  53. Did O’Dork speak Spanish and put on a Sombrero? Did Warren do the Tomahawk chop? Did Bernie get that angry look and flap his arms around? Did Biden say “Here’s blood in your eye?”

    rcocean (1a839e)

  54. BTW, Mittens has stated he will not endorse Trump in 2020. And he’s angry that Bolten was fired. So there you got. Trump is finished.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  55. Bloomberg radio discussion: Biden came out looking better.

    Among issues not discussed; independence of the Fed, abortio.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  56. Ot any one seen lady in the lake, the marlowe film ahot from his perspective.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  57. Yes, I noticed.

    Joe Biden said the Obama administration “didn’t…lock people up in cages” But they did little.

    That’s where the famous wrongly captioned picture came from.

    Nobody took issue with that comment, although Biden earlier gt quite abig disputer over whether he had said people wold have to “buy inti” Medicare (I think the explanation isthat of they;re poor enough it won’t cost anything.

    No innovatove insurance ideas here..

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  58. none of these people are mr. president donald trump the president who is the president of the united states and is going to make america great again so who cares?

    nk (dbc370)

  59. without a quart of whiskey

    I disagree with almost everything you post, rco, but thus takes the cake.

    Wasting whiskey on something as stupid as the Democratic debate?!👿

    Kishnevi (27beb6)

  60. Predictions: (1) No one will ask Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren under what Constitutional authority they will issue all of these Executive Orders they promise to issue to ban certain items they find distasteful, such as guns and the Senate filibuster. (2) Bernard Sanders will at no point radiate a calm, laid-back persona. (3) Pete Buttigieg will say something insufferable in his opening statement. (4) Some media analysis will assure us that either Cory Booker or Robert O’Rourke had a great night, but their poll numbers will not budge.

    How’d I do, gang? I heard that Kamala Harris, at least, got some pushback on whether she could accomplish her agenda via Executive Order. Did Fauxcahontas as well? Sounds like Comrade Sanders was his usual hectoring self. Did Mayor Pete have any eyeroll-inducing moments? Max Boot, of all people, thinks that both Booker and O’Rourke had a good night, so at least one idiot has made my fourth prediction come true already (I’m taking it for granted that their poll numbers will not change).

    JVW (54fd0b)

  61. Ot any one seen lady in the lake, the marlowe film ahot from his perspective.

    Of course. Robert Montgomery is not too bad a Hollywood sissy-boy Marlowe.

    The best movie Marlowe is Dick Powell. He was in “Murder My Sweet”, the best film version of “Farewell My Lovely”. Charlotte Rampling was great in the second version, but Mitchum was too old. Bogey and Bacall, well … they’re never anything more than Bogey and Bacall.

    (The only one I haven’t seen is the atrocity with Elliot Gould. Trapper John as Phillip Marlow, gag me with a spoon.)

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Yes its pretty bad, you cant watch more than a quarter of it, well it was the 70s who knows what they were thinking.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  63. 65… Mayor Pete always seems to be above it all, like he doesn’t have a care in the world. And maybe he doesn’t.

    But it only further cements his position as a modern day Alfred E. Neuman…

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDYugl-kW6F3QBMV6IQLqGD_sbJ42hQiPWYSTK6anNJf9lOp0Kbw

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. Bad news, people. The Democrats didn’t become Republicans, they are still Democrats. 😛

    These are the people who have at least a minorly decent amount of the vote out there. I assume they’ve tests at least some of their message. It’s interesting to see what “the people” are interested in.

    Nic (896fdf)

  65. I though alan cummings toad drained of blood.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  66. It’s interesting to see what “the people” are interested in

    Anyone that is not Donald J Trump.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  67. Right on, comrade.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. @71 Nah, still interesting. Disturbing often, but interesting.

    Nic (896fdf)

  69. These are the people who have at least a minorly decent amount of the vote out there. I assume they’ve tests at least some of their message.

    Yes, but how have they tested it? Some more traditional Democrats are trying to warn the candidates that progressive Twitter is not the locus of where the party stands on the key issues, it only shows where wealthy whites and woke college kids are. Do you think anyone out there has taken this up for consideration in the never-ending Bataan Death March to the left?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  70. If that lot – with their loose hold on reality- is the best the Democrats have to offer, God help them.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. The Lady In The Lake is one of the worst Marlowe films and it’s one of the best Marlowe novels. Montgomery is a horrible Marlowe and the ‘camera as Marlowe’ gimmick sends it into the realm of the ridiculous.

    Altman hated Marlowe almost as much as he misunderstood Chandler.

    The Big Sleep is definitely worth seeing even though Carmen’s psychotic nympho had to be watered down, even with that they still cut Martha Vickers’ best shots because Lauren Bacall couldn’t stand all the praise she was getting from the crew. There’s still lots of good stuff including Louis Jean Heydt as Joe Brody tiny cowboy star Bob Steele as a very convincing villain.

    Dick Powell was Chandler’s favorite screen Marlowe but once again in Murder My Sweet the screenplay removes or diminishes all the best stuff. The opening scenes outside and inside Florian’s and at the Hotel San Souci are some of the greatest short bits of prose I’ve ever read. I always thought Claire Trevor was miscast and wondered if Betty Grable or Lana Turner could have pulled it off.

    harkin (58d012)

  72. @74 Yes. I’m not sure that they really care, but I’m pretty sure it’s been considered. Trump wasn’t afraid of his message, and I think the Dems took that to heart, especially since conservamedia will paint them as extreme left regardless of whether they are or not.

    (Obviously JMO). One of the long-term strategic mistakes the R party has made over the last 20 years is to call everything they don’t like “socialism”. Don’t get me wrong, it worked for a while, but it’s out of gas. For Millennials (and the Millennials are in their 30s now), communism has basically no meaning and socialism is happy Scandinavians. Using “socialism” as a scare tactic for everything has drained it of everything scary. But it’s still a goto tactic for conservamedia and I don’t think it’s at all effective any more, so the Dems don’t care.

    Nic (896fdf)

  73. Using “socialism” as a scare tactic for everything has drained it of everything scary. But it’s still a goto tactic for conservamedia and I don’t think it’s at all effective any more, so the Dems don’t care.

    The Democrats ran into a similar problem in 2016. Having habitually slandered honorable men like Dubya, McCain and Romney as caricatures of some kind of monster, there was nowhere left to go when a real monster showed up.

    Dave (1bb933)

  74. In all fairness, W was a terrible president. Not a terrible guy, and not terribly conservative, but a terrible president.

    But yes, the Democrats did have the same problem. It shouldn’t be a problem for them this year, though, as long as they don’t harp on it endlessly (that would just be boring and repetitive at this point) because Trump has been who he is. IMO their best strategy would be “uh huh, he’s terrible, now let me talk about what I’ll do.”

    Nic (896fdf)

  75. “IMO their best strategy would be “uh huh, he’s terrible, now let me talk about what I’ll do.”

    That is exactly what they’ve been doing and it is a pandering disaster. All they have to do is not act crazy, but they are not up to it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  76. It will probably sound something like this “Universal healthcare, blah blah blah, and I’m not Donald Trump, because…well look at that guy”

    But good lord, I think Joe Biden is probably fine’ish for the voting public, but he seems old and just forgetful, not Trump level pathological, just like the old forgetful guy, and Bernie’s just an old man yell get off my lawn.

    So one of the ladies, or the gay guy, I guess. He seems like a child, and I’m only 13 years older than him, Harris seems like she’d stab you if you she thought you disrespected her (not nuke your, or assassinate you, personally stab you, with a fork), and Warren makes me want to claw my ears off. So…the gay guy?

    Nope it’s going to be ol’ Joe, he’ll win, and then we’ll get four years of a guy looking befuddled, only getting facts slightly more correct than Trump, just from different brain issues. His is declining rapidly, Trump never had one, or at least never bothered to use it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  77. In all fairness, W was a terrible president.

    No he wasn’t.

    Dave (1bb933)

  78. there was nowhere left to go when a real monster showed up.“

    Of course there was, they made it their nominee.

    harkin (58d012)

  79. He ignored intelligence, which led to the largest foreign terror attack in the US, got us into an unnecessary war with Iraq, did not pay down the debt even though he could have and in fact massively increased the national debt while keeping it off-book to pretend he wasn’t, and crashed the economy. He was terrible.

    Nic (896fdf)

  80. That is exactly what they’ve been doing and it is a pandering disaster. All they have to do is not act crazy, but they are not up to it.

    Yeah, I agree. It was all the rage 20 years ago to claim that there wasn’t a hair’s breadth of difference between the two parties on most of the issues, and though that is still a lazy trope that won’t die I think these days it has pretty well been rendered obsolete. For better or worse we have a Democrat Party that almost unanimously agrees that everything that is wrong with America can be solved if a larger and more active government did more to order our lives and prohibit us from engaging in behaviors that “experts” see as wrong, and a Republican Party that largely believes that people need more freedom, especially economic freedom, in order to pursue individual excellence, even if that means that some people will fail or otherwise do things that aren’t in their best interest. No matter how much Democrats might convince us that Trump is evil incarnate, there are still plenty of people who are completely turned off by their crazy “just leave everything to us” agenda.

    Kevin Williamson at NRO has an excellent piece which covers this in a more direct and provocative way.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  81. He didn’t do any of those things.

    Dave (1bb933)

  82. He ignored intelligence, which led to the largest foreign terror attack in the US, got us into an unnecessary war with Iraq, did not pay down the debt even though he could have and in fact massively increased the national debt while keeping it off-book to pretend he wasn’t, and crashed the economy.

    Most of that is balderdash, but I do recognize it is the officially sanctioned progressive take on the Bush Administration. I’ll spare you what I believe most of us on the right thought of the dismal and picayune Obama years.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  83. Matthew Continetti
    @continetti
    Two hours in, and not one question about the economy.

    _

    harkin (58d012)

  84. @87 Yeah, I am not an idealogue, so I don’t pander to the narrative of either party. You want to read me Republican talking points, you are welcome to do so, but I read the reports rather than just listened to the pontificators, so my opinions are my own. You want me to list the ways Obama was a problem as well, I can do it for you too. My personal opinion is that Bush Sr. was probably the best president of my lifetime, but nobody likes that summation either.

    Nic (896fdf)

  85. Kevin Williamson at NRO has an excellent piece which covers this in a more direct and provocative way.

    Williamson isn’t wrong, but I think large segments of the GOP do not view the Democrats as a legitimate political movement, and would welcome the elimination of their ability to meaningfully participate in national politics, as he puts it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  86. The speed joe biden was given must have worn off in the second hour. A noun a verb and barak obama. seem I have heard that before.

    lany (03538e)

  87. but I read the reports rather than just listened to the pontificators, so my opinions are my own

    So tell us, based on your extensive, independently researched knowledge: how did Bush “crash the economy”?

    Was he secretly trading subprime mortgage derivatives out of West Wing?

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. Biden almost referred to Bernie as “The President.” Caught himself at the last minute.

    JRH (52aed3)

  89. @92 If I’m being fair, it’s was more the Bush government, than GWB himself (I don’t think he’s much of an economic expert) and it really started with the Republican congress at the end of the Clinton administration. There’s an ongoing meme that all deregulation is good, but that isn’t true. Removing bad regulations is good, removing good ones is bad, so when the congress removed a bunch of banking regulations (both good and bad) at the end of the Clinton administration without really thinking through the consequences, it caused a problem. Then when the market crashed in 2001-2002 and use of subprime mortgage products increased, it increased the danger. The Bush government at the time let it happen because they thought they needed the economic boost. Then they took their eyes off the ball of the economy entirely to focus on the Iraq war. So it was mostly a problem of grasping at straws in 2001-2002 and then neglect.

    Nic (896fdf)

  90. So you think Bush should have pre-emptively regulated/banned subprime mortgage derivatives, somehow precisely discerning – when entire sectors of the financial world whose solvency depended on them could not – the problems they might cause several years in the future?

    You said Bush was “not very conservative” – would tight regulation of the financial industry have made him more conservative, in your view?

    Dave (1bb933)

  91. @95 Significant parts of the financial world knew they were a problem, they just thought they were smart enough to get out before the problem became theirs.

    And seriously? Obviously tight regulation of the financial industry isn’t conservative. I don’t know that any regulation of the financial industry could be considered truly conservative, at least not on the libertarian end of things. However, I’m a moderate. I don’t need my President to be overly conservative (or overly liberal, TYVM).

    Nic (896fdf)

  92. The only one I haven’t seen is the atrocity with Elliot Gould

    It’s set in the 70’s and fits the era well. The era sucked. You didn’t miss anything. Someone should really DO a new version of “The Long Goodbye.” Dick Powell did it in the first episode of 1954’s live TV show “Climax!” but copies don’t seem available.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  93. well it was the 70s who knows what they were thinking.

    The Godfather, 1972 & Part II (1974) are on nearly every top 10 list, if not the top 5.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  94. In all fairness, W was a terrible president.

    No he wasn’t.

    And once more, I must agree with Dave. Bush had one weakness: he wanted to believe the best of people and some took advantage of that. But he was the right man for the time.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  95. How low do Trump’s numbers have to go before someone else will run? LBJ was about 8 points under water when Gene McCarthy took him on in New Hampshire. I understand that Trump is trying to eliminate primary contests entirely — what does he fear?

    Kevin M (19357e)

  96. How low do Trump’s numbers have to go before someone else will run?

    Who?

    As (I think) you said very well a week or two ago, (paraphrasing) the cost of failure is political annihilation, so only the misfits and rejects who have nothing to lose (and no way to win) will risk it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  97. mittens/gruber/2020
    the never Trump answer from the devil himself

    mg (8cbc69)

  98. Oh good grief, the regulations were written to facilitate subprime, to promote govt policy read morgenstern, gelinas not nocera ferguson or other hacks

    Narciso (7658f4)

  99. What sanford and walsh dont entertain you enough, does it seem like the party bigwigs learned anything from the first goaround nope.

    Narciso (7658f4)

  100. I had a long post about the inadeqaucy of the 01 pdb, and the european consensus on wmds

    Narciso (7658f4)

  101. But it was the reaction to the former, which makes me think that strife would be the result of a next level attack, please tell me which lead were they to pursue, the report didnt have the phoenix memo, nor the names of al midhar amnd al hamzi, nor reports of the bnd surveillance of hamburg cell

    Narciso (7658f4)

  102. The Clinton Administration started the process that resulted in the mortgage market collapse.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. Yes but they make sure to have the fingerprints removed:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1172424358813286400

    Narciso (7658f4)

  104. If we want to be charitable, maybe Clinton wanted to expand home ownership among low-income (especially black) families. The Biden Administration would give every black family a record player.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. According to Mad Men, I thought it would an Admiral TV.

    urbanleftbehind (74aaf4)

  106. 110… what would they know, it would be a Hoffman.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. Hadnt they gone out of business by 1961, just more truisms from vance packard, by the same system,

    Narciso (7658f4)

  108. Well if they dont want to fight, and surrender to the borg, hurd made a big deal of hanging out with akippy during the last midterms

    Narciso (7658f4)

  109. They can have TX – just take NH back or get the Ingalls family really riled up about Ilhan.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  110. The alien hive is firmly embedded in new hampshire, how is fat bastard going in springfield?

    Narciso (7658f4)

  111. Noticed nothing about Trump’s impending impeachment or the economy last night.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. The cheeseburger plan, Illinois beta test, hasn’t kicked in yet (once it does, DCSCA will smile).

    urbanleftbehind (74aaf4)

  113. Tapping prejudice against old people for Teh Win.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  114. RIP EDDIE MONEY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. If the GOP is losing Texas, it’s because Texans know when the cow’s peed in the milk bucket. The milk bucket being the GOP, and Trump being the pee.

    nk (dbc370)

  116. Well, the guy who wrote the Thinker article misses the old growth forest for a few green trees. Texas had a modicum of welcomeness that made it more accessible than say the orange county, DuPage, and nassau/Suffolk GOP

    urbanleftbehind (74aaf4)

  117. 100. Kevin M (19357e) — 9/13/2019 @ 1:52 am

    I understand that Trump is trying to eliminate primary contests entirely — what does he fear?

    Something going “wrong”, or, as a political professional could and maybe did tell him: A candidate running against him will get publicity, and that may spill over into the general election. Citing Ted Kennedy vs Jimmy Carter.

    It’s not like LBJ in 1968 because LBJ wasn’t particularly popular (or popular at all maybe) in the democratic PArrty. It;s just that there were institutional bari=riers t challengng him.

    LBJ secretly by the way was strongly considering not runnin, because all the Johnson men had died young.

    The place where there could be a challenge is with a 3rd party candidate. It’s a lot like 1992 in
    some ways – in that athird party candidate who did not have the deficiencies of the two major
    canddates – could win (if he doesn’t spoil things)

    Michael Bloomberg is maybe the on;y person who could win it – and h might be afallback moderate casndidate in the Democratic primary. And in the Democratic rimary, it is possible that Jerry Brown cold sweep the field, even though he’s 82.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  118. 117. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2019 @ 7:47 am

    117.Noticed nothing about Trump’s impending impeachment or the economy last night.

    There was a little mention of the economy, in the context of who could best win back lost voters. There would have been smething about impeachment, had they been asked a question about it.

    Impeachment was so off the table that oene candidate said that the one chance they had to revent Donald Trump from being a 2-term president, was to win the next election (something lke that)

    Now who wss that?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  119. The Savigs and Loan scandal and subsequent recession was cuased by removing too many regulations (including – the big one – raising the insurance on ank deposits to $100,000) follloweded by forcing banks to pay more for insurance while not reducing intrest rates to accomodate that. But the 2008 recession was caused by well, first lowering interest rates and then raising them – possibly an absence of regulations to prevent a new situation – ready money beibg invested in insecure investments. In 1929 ready money was put in the stock market.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  120. The candidates didn’t sharpen each other up, except possibly a little om the topic of health insurance, but even there, a lot of points often mentioned in debate, like the need for competition and choice of doctors, didn’t come up,

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  121. Joe Biden is agenuione fool on some issues of froegn policy.

    He think wherever there is fighting within a country, the problem is endemic, and not caused by ambition or outside forces or anything else like that, and that it can be solved by splitting the country up into three pieces. He said that with Iraq and he has this now with Afghanistan.

    I suppose the partition of India, into India, aPakistan and Bangladesh must be a great succcess.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  122. Who was it who wanted to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and place them in several bases in Pakistan instead, (as if Pakistan would agree to that) from which they could strike at anything building up in Afghanistan (as if Paksistan would agree to that)

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  123. yes, that guy,

    https://taskandpurpose.com/biden-us-troops-pakistan

    what is this 2002?

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. they gave his address, send the in bruges team,

    https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/09/13/russia-interpol-alleged-cia-mole/

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. Transcript of the 3rd Democratic debate (complete in one night) Thursday, September 12, 2019, in Houston, Texas:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-democratic-debate-houston-n1053926

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  126. 128. Who was it who wanted to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and place them in several bases in Pakistan instead,

    Joe Biden. I just wasn’t 100% sure:

    BIDEN: …We can prevent the United States from being the victim of terror coming out of Afghanistan by providing for bases — insist the Pakistanis provide bases for us to air lift from and to move against what we know.

    We don’t need those troops there. I would bring them home

    So that’s the answer: ust tell Pakistan that they MUST allow U.S. troops to stay in akistan (where they will presumbably be safe from attack) and there;s no need to have any in Afghanistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  127. Just tell Pakistan that they MUST allow U.S. troops to stay in Pakistan, and there;s no need to have any in Afghanistan.

    Isn’t that simple?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  128. The cloestmention of impeachment:

    Cory Booker:

    we’ve got one shot to make Donald Trump a one-term president.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  129. well that ignores that the isi and the Pakistani army supported the Taliban, as part of their counterforce strategy against india,

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. References to the economy:

    By Julian Castro:

    We need a bold vision: universal pre-K and universal health care, unleashing millions of new jobs in the clean energy economy, a tax system that rewards people who have to work for a living.

    Elizabeth Warren:

    We can use trade to help build a stronger economy.

    Bernie Sanders:

    Maybe, just maybe, what we should be doing is creating an economy…

    RAMOS: Thank you.

    SANDERS: … that works for all of us, not 1 percent. That’s my understanding of democratic socialism.

    Also:

    And I feel confident that given a lifelong record of taking on powerful special interests, of standing up for the working families of this country, that I will be able to take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite and create a government and an economy that work for all of us, not just the 1 percent.

    Andrew Yang:

    But the goal of my campaign is to make this an economy that allows us to live our human values and aspirations.

    Also:

    Cory Booker:

    We were taking on America’s toughest problems, from crime to poverty, and we transformed our city, creating tens of thousands of new jobs, the biggest economic expansion in our city, and as I said before, turned around our school system.

    Pete Buttigieg:

    And that’s why part of my plan for revitalizing the economies of rural America includes community renewal visas that would allow cities and towns and counties that are hurting not only for jobs but for population to embrace immigration as we have in my city.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  131. 136. narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2019 @ 12:59 pm prob in ref to 134

    well that ignores that the isi and the Pakistani army supported the Taliban, as part of their counterforce strategy against india,

    Joe Biden makes compromises with reality, but, unlike some others, he doesn’t ignore it entirely.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  132. They said that Joe Biden said Afghanistan when he meant Iraq when he said it is three different coutries. But I think he emant Afghanistan, because he said Pakistan in the next sentence. It;s just that they never heard Joe Biden before saying that Afghanistan should be partitioned into 3 countries (and they know that was his proposal for Iraq.

    Here it is in he debate:

    The whole purpose of going to Afghanistan was to not have a counterinsurgency, meaning that we’re going to put that country together. It cannot be put together. Let me say it again. It will not be put together. It’s three different countries. Pakistan owns the three counties — the three provinces in the east. They’re not any part of — the Haqqanis run it. I will go on and on.

    He’s unmistakenly talking about Afghanistan.

    He knows he needs to explain and said “I will go on and on.” meaning he can go on and on.

    Now what Joe Biden says here is nonsense and untrue, but it seems like he believes most conflicts have deep roots, (that he just recently learned about, in spite of being over 75 years old) but can solved very easily by partition. You might think into two countries, but Joe Biden thinks more often it is three. Or more?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

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