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9/10/2019

More on the Spy Who Returned from Russia with Love

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:46 am



The Washington Post has more on that (as a friend puts it) spy who came out of the cold:

In 2017, the United States extracted from Russia an important CIA source who had provided information about the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, according to current and former officials.

The operation, known as an exfiltration, followed mounting concerns among U.S. officials that the individual could be discovered by the Russian government.

The exfiltration took place sometime after an Oval Office meeting in May 2017, when President Trump revealed highly classified counterterrorism information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador, said the current and former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation.

That disclosure alarmed U.S. national security officials, but it was not the reason for the decision to remove the CIA asset, who had provided information to the United States for more than a decade, according to the current and former officials.

The exfiltration was first reported by CNN. The CIA declined to comment.

Similar is a New York Times story published yesterday:

The decision to extract the informant was driven “in part” because of concerns that Mr. Trump and his administration had mishandled delicate intelligence, CNN reported. But former intelligence officials said there was no public evidence that Mr. Trump directly endangered the source, and other current American officials insisted that media scrutiny of the agency’s sources alone was the impetus for the extraction.

(I have bolded the words “public” and “current” to emphasize that there is some wiggle room there. More on that below.)

The allegation that Trump routinely mishandles classified information in a manner that alarms intelligence officials is so solid that no sane person still disputes it. The allegation that the exfiltration of this particular Russian spy was done in significant measure due to Trump’s mishandling of classified information, as alleged by CNN yesterday, remains based on a single source who no longer works in the government, and is now disputed by multiple anonymous sources.

Now: there is reason to question everything here. The hurricane/Alabama fiasco shows that government will lie for Trump — and indeed government officials are sometimes threatened with termination should they fail to lie for Trump. And in this case, if there is lying going on right now, it might also be in service of making the story go away so that the spy will not be identified. (Too late! I’m not going to link the story, but the Russians know who he is.)

What all this means is that we may never know to what extent, if any, Trump’s carelessness with classified information was part of the decisionmaking process here. Many officials are disputing that it was, but as I just noted, they have substantial potential motives to lie.

Also: how could it not go into the mix? “We are alarmed by the President’s routine mishandling of classified information, especially with regard to Russia, but it played no part in our concern over the safety of a sensitive Russian asset” sounds like a perfectly credible statement that I totally believe. If that statement (which, granted, is my argumentative paraphrase of the officials’ position) is really true, it does not speak well of the judgment of intelligence officials. I think it’s a lie.

None of this means that we should not be concerned about Trump’s careless handling of classified information. We should be, and all sane people are. (Trump superfans are not. But I stopped caring what Trump superfans think long ago.)

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

61 Responses to “More on the Spy Who Returned from Russia with Love”

  1. I’ll just repeat. We got negative stories about Trump-Russia from CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WaPo for 2.5 years. Every other day, it was Trump was colluding, Trump was on the ropes, Trump was thinking of resigning, Mueller has him now, etc.

    And it turned out to be a big nothing burger. 92% of Trump news coverage is negative. That’s been going on for almost 3 years now – since Trump got the nomination. We’ve had story after story based on anonymous sources that told us “Orange man bad” “Trump is Putin’s spy” – and they turned out to be false. So, if someone wants to keep believing them when they print article “Orange man bad” no. 5,432 based on anonymous sources – go ahead. Some of us are more skeptical. Even Rod Dreher is getting skeptical, and you know how gullible he is.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  2. “If that statement (which, granted, is my argumentative paraphrase of the officials’ position) is really true, it does not speak well of the judgment of intelligence officials.”

    What we’ve learned the past three years, after Mifsud, Halper, Azra Turk, Steele, etc. is that intelligence officials are only straight up honest when they’re engaged in all that witch hunting. Otherwise, we need to “question everything”.

    Munroe (732181)

  3. After Trump made the idiot decisions to fire Comey (resulting in a Special Counsel) and blurt to Kislyak, how could intelligence professionals not have a greater sense of urgency to exfiltrate their man in Moscow.

    Paul Montagu (a915a7)

  4. But a toxic contempt that is refreshing , you have to bathe in that, you see the zombie army threatening to burn down the country to ths fou dation, but trump let the light on, the scoundrel.

    Narciso (9b9220)

  5. “92% of Trump news coverage is negative. That’s been going on for almost 3 years now – since Trump got the nomination. We’ve had story after story based on anonymous sources that told us “Orange man bad” “Trump is Putin’s spy” – and they turned out to be false. So, if someone wants to keep believing them when they print article “Orange man bad” no. 5,432 based on anonymous sources – go ahead.”

    Sane people know this to be true. It’s the Trump Super-anklebiters that don’t, and they are most welcome to their opinions…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. There might be some attempt here to imply that this person was one of Christopher Steele’s sources (and that therefore the information is true) although it seems he couldn’t have been, but he supplied some otehr information or disinformation related to the election (The email that has been used as an excuse for Comey pretending to make the decision not to prosecute Hillary?).

    Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS has been all over the map on this:

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-purged-spies-after-trump-dossier-release-785212

    Russia embarked on a “purge” of suspected spies after the leak of the dossier that provided unsubstantiated claims of potential ties between President Donald Trump and the Russian government, according to the founder of the opposition research firm that produced the document.

    The House Intelligence Committee published a transcript on Thursday of a behind-closed-doors interview with Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS, who shared his concerns that people had been picked off by the Russian government after the explosive claims of a Trump-Russia connection emerged.

    When asked if one of his sources was killed, Simpson said, “That’s not my information. I mean, there was a series of episodes where people were arrested or died mysteriously that came shortly after the disclosure of the existence of this information. And I do believe there was a bit of an old-fashioned purge.”

    Simpson said he did not believe it was “anyone that helped us” but more likely people “taking the opportunity to settle scores or were falsely accused” and “were sources of the U.S. intelligence community, not us.”

    Their surces would have been MI6 sources. Most likely, actually, really, double agents all the time even back in the oughts..

    Of course Glenn Simpson wanted to say that his information was valid, so hhe wanted to attribute any purge to “revelations” in the dossier, but he also knew the (secret) facts didn’t fit that narrative.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  7. Q. If he’s been exfiltrated, what does it matter that his name is mentioned? Is it supposed to be that maybe the Russian government didn’t realize he was a defector?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  8. if they really had this guy, and he was providing all this info, why did they need the dossier, and that he would move to Washington, in view of the Russian embassy, and live under his own name, not do what sam neil’s character wanted to do in red October, ‘move to montana, marry a round woman and raise sheep,’

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. Glenn Simpson says this guy was NOT one of his sources, but was a U,S. intelligence source

    How does he know so much?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  10. Q. If he’s been exfiltrated, what does it matter that his name is mentioned? Is it supposed to be that maybe the Russian government didn’t realize he was a defector?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71) — 9/10/2019 @ 8:44 am

    In recent years they’ve killed several former spies that had left the country. I have no idea what the proper way is to exfiltrate a spy and set them up in the US. I don’t know if it’s better to have them disappear in Russia, or move to the US under a plausible cover story. But I would expect it depends on a lot issues specific to the situation.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  11. if they really had this guy, and he was providing all this info, why did they need the dossier, and that he would move to Washington, in view of the Russian embassy, and live under his own name, not do what sam neil’s character wanted to do in red October, ‘move to montana, marry a round woman and raise sheep,’

    narciso (d1f714) — 9/10/2019 @ 8:46 am

    I want to share a couple of ideas.

    1. The Steel dossier was not the only reason to investigate trump.
    2. The Steel dossier not needed at all to investigate Russian interference in our election.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  12. “92% of Trump news coverage is negative. That’s been going on for almost 3 years now – since Trump got the nomination. We’ve had story after story based on anonymous sources that told us “Orange man bad” “Trump is Putin’s spy” – and they turned out to be false. So, if someone wants to keep believing them when they print article “Orange man bad” no. 5,432 based on anonymous sources – go ahead.”

    Sane people know this to be true. It’s the Trump Super-anklebiters that don’t, and they are most welcome to their opinions…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/10/2019 @ 8:33 am

    Like just the other day the media did a terrible lie about how he modified a map with a sharpie.
    Than there was another one about how the VP stayed at a trump property for no obvious reason.
    And another about how the airforce is lining his pocket…

    Time123 (66d88c)

  13. of course it was, otherwise other documents would have been presented to the fisa court, but this is the way Weissman rolls, how strzok takes credit for poteyev’s own revelations, etc etc.

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. This desire to blame Trump for what he “must” have caused, simply ignores history.

    Start with the CIA and FBI leaking like sieves for years. CIA defector Howard compromised several US agents in the USSR, resulting in their liquidation. All CIA’s sources there were rolled up during the Obama era, b/c CIA foolishly underestimated the Chinese, and believed they had an infallible communications method.

    And we just left a Sec of State that used her own server, and an FBI chief who seemingly kept classified documents at home.

    Any exfiltration of a Russian source was probably due–using you know–history as a guide–to CIA leaks, or Hillary’s unfiltered yoga emails.

    But yeah. let’s uncritically defer to anonymous and self-serving leaks blaming Trump for their “fear” that he “might” compromise one of their sources.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e)

  15. and only the anklebiters really cared, was there any real consequence to sharpie gate, no, did you know the deal was negotiated with the irish government for Prestwick airport, probably around the time of turnbull’s island transfer,

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. in retrospect, we know now that hanson and ames were the ones that howard’s losses likely were, the misdirect re yurchenko, probably kept a few looking in the other direction, not to mention if there was another mole, like the one bearden had been speculating about in main enemy, at some point poteyev (if he is still alive) replaced tretyakov, he was the runner of the kutsenko (nee chapman) ring, the basis for red sparrow,

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. 12: China fortifies the South China Sea; our Pentagon wasted billions on the Zumwalt destroyers that are a maritime joke; our B-52’s are older than any of us; our rockets are old. Both China and Russia are moving fast on hypersonics.

    Clinton and Obama delayed or cancelled portions of the west coast interceptor defense program, intended to destroy North Korean rockets.

    Turkey is veering away from NATO. NATO itself is no more than Euro Staff working 9-5 in Brussels and baying about collective defense needs, while leaving the EU entirely dependent on the US. Germany has almost no combat ready fighters, or tanks.

    Congress tripped the President’s power to control spending in 1972, and we’re running deficits like we’re Greece.

    And you gleefully obsess over a sharpie?

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e)

  18. The current media will do their best to “out” any relocated assets.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. well they actually stopped fortifying those islands, but our procurement process is seriously messed up, we’ve moved on missile defense, Erdogan was obamas favorite leader. and he talked him into providing expensive token support for rebels on syrias borders,

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Sharpiegate! Muh Collusion!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  21. why would you do that, Stephen miller (the other one) illustrated the irony,

    of course the only ones that really did anything where the peshmerga and they get sold out so often it’s not even funny all the way back to 1919, to the time when Arnold Wilson preferred the sunnis over both the kurds and the shia, who would be the majority,

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. 19: I don’t know if they’ve stopped fortifying for now, or Paused.

    The Foreign Policy set’s assurances that “China has stopped! Yay! No crisis here!” seems like the same “End of History” certainty about so much: that China would become a democracy; that it would “lead” on climate change (because they hoped it would- it would embarrass Trump); that Germany would “lead” the Free World (because Trump would not admit scores of refugees). And that Russia would not invade the Ukraine.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e)

  23. Another vile traitor exposed!

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. According to Hot Gas, they are disputing CNN’s claim vigorously. And they’re solidly anti-Trump. Even quoting leftist outlets saying otherwise.

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/09/10/wapo-nyt-contra-cnn-trump-not-reason-cia-exfiltrated-asset-russia/

    NJRob (4d595c)

  25. So now adding the WaPo and NYT to the trusted sources of information. It’s like the Covington MAGA Hat kid never happened. Anyone remember the freak out over the OK hand sign before Blasey Ford’s imagination took over the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings? Or the Blasey Ford testimony itself? It’s like it all never happened. Perhaps it was all just a dream. Like who shot J.R.

    PTw (894877)

  26. 24: maybe someone who wants to write checks the country does not want to pay. An honorable man, but out of step.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e)

  27. I agree with Trump supporters that we should not believe the media’s narrative because we know the media has lied and/or manipulated the story, but I don’t understand why they insist we should believe Trump’s narrative since he does the same thing.

    They are two peas in a pod. Trump’s approach to manipulating public opinion is based on what he learned from dealing with the media.

    DRJ (15874d)

  28. I disagree, the journolist, the Rhodes echo chamber, the rizzotto tray circle, none of those are positive for anyone,

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. LOL Hot Air is leftist now. These guys just love lying, even if telling the truth is easier.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  30. was there any real consequence to sharpie gate

    It made many people more keenly aware of how bizarre Trump’s mental world is, how trivial his fixations, how unwilling he is to admit the slightest error on his own part (while he frequently accuses others of gross incompetence or stupidity), how casually dishonest he is (both in altering the map and in his “I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know” when asked about it), and how he evidently will pressure government agencies to be dishonest with the public in order to sustain the fantasy that he is never wrong.

    It was obvious long ago that Donald Trump is a colossal narcissist with no real concept of truth beyond “Does it make me look good?” Sharpiegate should have made a few superfans begin to have doubts about his ethics and mental soundness. But anyone who wasn’t bothered by “I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue” will probably remain unconditionally devoted.

    Radegunda (e6c209)

  31. There are many reasons people believe liars, whether they are the media or political leaders or everyday Americans.

    DRJ (15874d)

  32. was there any real consequence to sharpie gate

    Nothing major, it was just over the top, funny and really stupid. Like watching an america’s funniest home video where someone hits themselves in the junk. Funny, but not really that important.

    I mean…

    I suppose what credibility he had took a hit. But his fans don’t care about that.
    I suppose threatening to fire people who contradicted him him is corrupt, but his fans don’t care about that either.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  33. 27. Agree, basically. The media’s tendency to skew things leftward doesn’t make Donald Trump honest. It doesn’t mean that he is more credible than CNN.
    It would be quite instructive to see a tally of verifiable lies told by Donald Trump set alongside a tally of proven falsehoods promoted by CNN.

    Radegunda (e6c209)

  34. A special counsel will be looking into sharpie gate any day now.

    Maybe that SC will know what Fusion GPS is.

    Munroe (732181)

  35. I suppose what credibility he had took a hit.

    The notion that Trump has “credibility” was always based on his willingness to insult people publicly, and to be anti-PC (or pro-PC when that serves his ends better). The rudeness = honestly equation is one that Trump superfans would probably not apply to anyone promoting policies they don’t like.

    Radegunda (e6c209)

  36. LOL Hot Air is leftist now. These guys just love lying, even if telling the truth is easier.

    Dustin (6d7686) — 9/10/2019 @ 10:12 am

    I’m assuming you’re referencing my post even though by doing so you completely mischaracterize what I said. I said that Hot Gas is solidly anti-Trump, which they are, and that they are quoting leftist sites, which they did, in their post to show that CNN jumped the shark in their usual hit piece.

    All you had to do was read my post and click the link to see that. Not sure why you didn’t.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  37. I do expect an apology for being called a liar as that violates the terms of service.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  38. there was much less than met the eye to sciutto’s piece,

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. CNN was also the recipeint of a leak from the FBI on Feb 15, 2017 that FBI aents believed that Mike Flynn was truthful. Something that has now fallen into the memory hole.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/832013379124486148?p=v

    Jim Sciutto
    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: FBI NOT expected to pursue charges against #MichaelFlynn regarding phone calls w/Russian Ambassador, reports @evanperez

    3:45 PM – 15 Feb 2017

    ———–

    Jim Sciutto
    @jimsciutto

    Replying to @jimsciutto

    More: FBI says Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers

    3:47 PM – 15 Feb 2017

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  40. 36… a typical mischaracterization, Rob. It’s death at ankle level.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. Beware the leaker[s]; never spotlight spycraft.

    “You only live twice, Mr. Bond.” – Ernst Stavro Blofeld [Donald Pleasence] ‘You Only Live Twice’ 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. How these things were handled before that nutcase Trump appeared on the scene:


    “Before we broke up and the president headed upstairs to tell the American people what had just happened, I reminded everyone that the techniques, tactics, and procedures the SEALs had used in the Bin Laden operation were used every night in Afghanistan and elsewhere in hunting down terrorists and other enemies. It was therefore essential that we agree not to release any operational details of the raid. That we killed him, I said, is all we needed to say. Everybody in that room agreed to keep mum on details. That commitment lasted about five hours. The initial leaks came from the White House and CIA. They just couldn’t wait to brag and to claim credit. The facts were often wrong, including details in the first press briefing. Nonetheless the information just kept pouring out. I was outraged and, at one point, told [National Security Adviser Thomas] Donilon, ‘Why doesn’t everybody just shut up?’ To no avail.”

    Months later, a helicopter carrying SEAL Team Six warriors in Afghanistan was shot down, killing all onboard.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/10/obama-burned-cia-asset-who-pinpointed-bin-ladens-l/

    Munroe (732181)

  43. so who gave sciutto, the tip, and why now, I’m sure he couldn’t have found it if it had bells on it, others like kim zetter, seem to have made more progress identifying the subject,

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. I am appalled by any mishandling of TS or TS:SCI information (which all of this is). I thought that Hillary should have gone to jail over it. I think that Trump (who technically can declassify anything) should be criticized in the most clear terms if that is what is happening.

    For Hillary we had clear evidence. For Trump we have undocumented sources, some of whom will claim anything, if that will get him out of office.

    So, it’s not the same, but it also isn’t all that different.

    Kevin M (19357e)

  45. The CIA disputes Sciutto over, under, sideways, down.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/possible-ex-russian-spy-cia-living-washington-area-n1051741

    The guy is living in DC under his real name… what? As bait?
    Or maybe he isn’t all that valuable of a source… at least not valuable enough that Putin wants him dead, or he’d be in Kansas under a new identity

    steveg (354706)

  47. “The allegation that Trump routinely mishandles classified information in a manner that alarms intelligence officials is so solid that no sane person still disputes it.”

    I mean people do solidly allege it, but otherwise this sounds like one of those ‘lawyerisms’ to get people to admit things that have no actual evidence of existing other than the testimonials of extremely politically ambitious unnamed ‘insiders’.

    Maybe it plays in curated cleanrooms like Popehat’s heavily-curated Twitter feed, but not all that well in the wild.

    “The hurricane/Alabama fiasco shows that government will lie for Trump — and indeed government officials are sometimes threatened with termination should they fail to lie for Trump.”

    More heavy assertions with light evidence. ‘Don’t reflexively make your boss look bad over pedantic nitpicking, especially not in public’ is a near-universally applicable aphorism that will bring and has brought career success to all who follow it, and its continued demonstration in the past week is evidence of nothing other than life going on as it always has, in business or bureaucracy.

    Weak posts. Weaker points! Too much time in the Internet kiddie pool for Pat!

    Truthdigger (e6cb20)

  48. “pedantic nitpicking”

    You’re ridiculous. Alabama is/is not in danger of a hurricane isn’t pedantic nitpicking.

    Davethulhu (fe4242)

  49. In the secretive world of spycraft, just the acknowledgement that an intelligence asset has been exfiltrated causes the adversary’s counterintelligence to look more closely for other infiltrated assets. In the same way, the simple admission of classified information, even without revealing the subject matter, can lead counterintelligence to the source. As Munroe points out above, discussing the details of covert operations will lead to future mission failures and often the deaths of highly trained operatives. That’s why sensitive information is labeled Top Secret.

    That Trump is careless with classified information is painfully obvious, and it infuriates the intelligence communities and agents. When he Tweeted a highly classified photo from a spy satellite, showing the damage caused by the explosion at a nuclear power plant in Russia, he stupidly revealed the scope, power and extent of our surveillance capabilities, thus basically allowing Russia to learn how to avoid detection of other more covert sites.

    Intelligence/counter-intelligence is serious stuff. Trump is a blabbermouth and a buffoon, but I doubt he blurted out something that might have exposed this CIA asset in Russia. He may have, since we have no idea what he said to Putin when they met in private behind closed doors. Perhaps the not knowing was the reason the agent was exfiltrated, but more likely the CIA thought he or she was close to being compromised for other reasons, maybe intelligence that counter-intelligence was closing in. Still, nothing should have been said about the exfiltration, not one word. Washington leaks like a sieve, especially this White House, and the media is going to report and speculate, but we are talking about national security here.

    Prior to this last month I had been opposed to impeachment, but now I think it necessary. Jonathon Alter makes the best case for the reasons why.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/yes-democrats-should-impeach-trump-and-make-mitch-mcconnell-defend-his-acquittal?ref=home

    Democrats in the House are hesitant, because they know Republicans in the Senate will never convict. They see impeachment as an exercise in futility, and I agreed. I want Trump voted out of office and shamed, tossed deeper into the ash heap of history than Carter and GHW Bush were buried. Also, House Democrats fear that impeachment will make Trump more popular, as it did for Clinton.

    However, Alter argues that the trial in the Senate will not be the same this time around. With Clinton, Republican prosecutors, “House Managers,” were less than enthusiastic, the trial was presided over by Rehnquist, Democratic defenders were Clinton’s private lawyers, and because the charges, perjury and obstruction, involved sexual matters, most of the testimony was heard behind closed doors, not broadcast publicly, and all three witnesses to possible obstruction submitted videotaped testimony, again not broadcast publicly. Acquittal was a foregone conclusion. It was a weak, albeit unseemly, case to begin with, not to mention Dole didn’t want to have anything to do with it.

    Acquittal may be a foregone conclusion in this case too, but Alter argues the trial will be far different. Roberts will be the presiding judge. The Democratic prosecutors will be Nadler and committee chairs. The Republican defenders will be Trump’s private lawyers. (And look at how well he has done hiring them, e.g. Cohen.) Chief Justice Roberts will run it as a quasi-trial, with the Senate as the jury; there will be evidence submitted, witnesses called, summations made, and it will all be broadcast publicly. Roberts will insist that the prosecution and the defense both limit their arguments to the charges of the indictment, which will be the articles of impeachment. Those will probably include the eight charges of obstruction outlined in the Mueller report, but may also include abuse of power, violations of campaign finance law, tax evasion and fraud, money laundering, self-dealing and self-enrichment in violation of the emoluments clause, dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming, mishandling of classified information–high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever the House says they are.

    If the Democrats get their act together–and I realize that’s a big IF–the House really could cause a lot of problems for this president. Properly drawn up articles of impeachment, with specific charges, will force Republicans to defend the indefensible, which they will do, since it’s Trump’s party now. But would they lie for him under oath?

    Only two presidents have ever been impeached, Johnson and Clinton. (Nixon resigned.) Neither were convicted and removed from office. So acquittal is a foregone conclusion with this Senate, but that doesn’t mean that impeachment by the House is not necessary. I agree with Alter. Impeach in December, and let the trial begin. It will all be over by February, but there’s no telling what will come out in discovery and testimony. Make the Republicans defend their cult, which has been hopelessly compromised by their chosen leader; make them defend their “

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  50. Sorry, continuing. “Dear Leader.”

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  51. Looks like the nutcases are at CNN:

    “The New York Times and Washington Post flatly contradicted CNN’s story. Both newspapers reported that media revelations were the sole reason for the extraction.”

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnns-bombshell-russian-spy-story-looks-more-like-a-dud/
    _

    harkin (58d012)

  52. @44, same way they’re handled now, public condemnation and negative press.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  53. honestly do they think, at Langley or liberty crossing, that dni headquarters, what possible good came from this story,

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. 60. narciso (d1f714) — 9/11/2019 @ 12:14 pm

    60.honestly do they think, at Langley or liberty crossing, that dni headquarters, what possible good came from this story,

    It helps them cover up something. Maybe prevents Donald Trump from interfering with them, or any member of Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

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