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Lone 2020 Democratic Candidate Says No Abortion In Third Trimester Unless Severe Risk To Woman

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:39 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Well, apparently the Little Aloha Sweetie isn’t just a pretty face and hard body. What she is, at least with regard to the issue of abortion, is a Democrat who can think for herself, and is willing to break rank with the 2020 Democratic death-mongers who support abortion through the third trimester. Here is Gabbard confirming that life in the womb is, well, just that:

In an interview with Dave Rubin yesterday, Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard conceded that abortion should not be permitted during the last three months of pregnancy unless the mother was at severe risk.

Gabbard told Rubin she views abortion in a “libertarian” way, saying she doesn’t think government should be dictating women’s choices. “I think that there should be some restrictions though,” she added. Rubin asked if she had a “cutoff point,” to which she replied: “I think the third trimester. Unless a woman’s life or severe health consequences is at risk, then there shouldn’t be an abortion in the third trimester.”

Gabbard’s comments come on the heels of 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg crassly attempting to justify abortion through the third trimester by suggesting that pro-life Christians should consider that life begins with the baby’s first’breath’:

Buttigieg discussed how the Bible talks about life beginning with breath, and suggested this would be one way to determine when life began in relation to abortion debates.

He said Republicans hold everyone in line with doctrine about abortion.

” … which is obviously a tough issue for a lot of people to think through morally,” Buttigieg said. “Then again, there’s a lot of parts of the Bible that talk about how life begins with breath, and so even that is something that we can interpret differently.”

He added that he’s pro-choice.

“I think, no matter what you think about the kind of cosmic question of how life begins, most Americans can get on board with the idea of, alright, I might draw the line here, you might draw the line there, but the most important thing is the person who should be drawing the line is the woman making the decision,” the South Bend mayor continued.

Obviously abortion is here to stay, and we’re not talking the quaint “safe, legal and rare” model. I’ll just say once again: It’s absolutely mind-boggling that every Democrat running to become the next president of the United States is willing to go to the mat to make sure babies in the womb can be killed up to the point of birth…or when they take their first breath.

Except Tulsi Gabbard.

( Gabbard really has nothing to lose at this point in the campaign. She didn’t make the cut for the third Democratic presidential debate, and it looks like she’ll sit out the fourth debate as well.)

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

26 Responses to “Lone 2020 Democratic Candidate Says No Abortion In Third Trimester Unless Severe Risk To Woman”

  1. It’s sad that this is a really big thing for a Democrat to say out loud, this protection of third trimester babies. Yet, I commend Gabbard for her courage to go against the company line, and with such a hot button item.

    Dana (fdf131)

  2. Of course, “Moderate” Joe Biden will oppose this. Right?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  3. Shes certainly of the soylent party.

    Narciso (9b9220)

  4. Certainly not of the soylent party, what exactly is the point of these debates besides 8th amendment violations

    Narciso (9b9220)

  5. Pete Buttigieg really needs to shut up about what the Bible says because people can now access it on their iPhones, and if he intrigues enough of them into doing so it won’t bode well for him when they read what it really says.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. His spiritual contortions are embarrassing.

    Dana (fdf131)

  7. Life does begin at breath…the breath of God, not the breath of man.

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  8. The reality is that there aren’t 3rd trimester abortions unless there are severe health or safety issues. No one waits and stays pregnant for 7 months, then has an abortion because they want one.

    Though since I’m one of the “quaint” safe legal rare believers nobody cares what I think anyway (yes, yes, babykiller, get it out of your system).

    Also, the bible is neither particularly consistent on no abortions, given it’s advice in the case of adultery, nor do I believe it should be an authority on the constitutionality of anything.

    Nic (896fdf)

  9. Life begins in the womb.

    Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
    who formed you from the womb:
    “I am the Lord, who made all things,
    who alone stretched out the heavens,
    who spread out the earth by myself,

    Isaiah is considered the Fifth Gospel, but there are more passages at the link.

    It also applies to the straw men over the disposition of non-implanted eggs fertilized in vitro, as well as contraception including “morning-after” contraception.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Mayor howdy should stick to the potholes in his fair city, and not play the times ethicist.

    Narciso (9b9220)

  11. Tulsi would be a good govna of Hawaii.

    mg (8cbc69)

  12. I get that you find her attractive, but this is still beyond extreme and killing viable children. Let unborn babies live to see birth.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  13. #5

    I don’t expect politicians to provide much that is worthwhile in terms of Biblical analysis and spirtual guidance. The reverse is also true, though the second generations of Grahams and Falwells don’t seem to believe that.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  14. Well baby steps, she wont go full moloch, shes on board with ths green nude eel though.

    Narciso (9b9220)

  15. The Honolulu honey has no chance to be elected President and she knows it. “A wa’a in every dock and a missionary in every pot” may be a winning slogan in her little corner of the world but it doesn’t have much nationwide appeal. I agree with mg @11 that she’s building cachet for governor and/or senator.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. Speaking of killing newborns, just apply TDS……

    Ben McDonald
    Politifact is straight up gas lighting. Their own article quotes Northam saying what they say he didn’t say.
    __ _

    Destructive Chemistry
    It’s a race to the bottom between Snopes and Politifact


    harkin (58d012)

  17. Pete Buttigieg:

    “the most important thing is the person who should be drawing the line is the woman making the decision,”

    Since when is it a good principle that aperson should be a judge in their own case?

    And if so, what about a woman who draws the line at when she’s shown the baby to someone elese, and kills the baby she’s just given birth to before anybody else knows about it?

    I suppose the argument for the woman making the decision is that she’s actually pulled both ways, so, in this kind of reasoning, it’ll be a fair decision.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  18. You can only say:

    “The person who should be drawing the line is the woman making the decision,”

    is you thik it’s not sn ethical issue.

    Indeed, the pro-abortion people argue that nobody ever considered abortion morally wrong until maybe the 1870s.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  19. 9. Life begins in the womb, but the question at hand is:

    Does the right to life begin in the womb?

    The answer is: Not absolutely.

    The dispute is: When, and under what circumstances, should the right to life not apply?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  20. When, and under what circumstances, should the right to life not apply?

    1. In wartime.
    2. In self-defense, to prevent the infliction of death or great bodily harm committed by the person whose life is taken on an innocent person.
    3. To stop or prevent a serious crime against an innocent person.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. 18. Agreed… I don’t understand how one can reasonably say, essentially, “When life begins is a question every woman has the right to answer for herself.”. That’s just not something one just gets to decide… otherwise I’m going to decide that the item is mine when I put it in my shopping cart at the store, not when I pay for it, and have you arrested for theft when you take it out of my cart for the funny YouTube video you’re shooting.

    Brian (ce90a7)

  22. Another question is:

    supposing hat the right ti life does not apply, whatt should be the penalty.

    In the case of a 20-year old?

    In the case of 7 year old?

    In the case of a month old?

    To someone just born?

    In the case of a 7-month fetus?

    In the case of a 2-monthh fetus?

    In the case of a 3 day old fetus?

    Assuming in all cases that there is no issue of a doomed life. And in the case of adoomed life, how much time must be left in order ro dstinguish the case?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  23. You left out “When the fetus has graduated medical school?”, Sammy.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. In Japan, I think I read once, (culturally although maybe not legally) a mother (who commits suicide) has the right to kill her children.

    It’s still common:

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  25. A first trimester fetus cannot survive outside the womb….no amount of caring or technology alters that fact. So the question becomes, since society cannot assume the pregnancy or take custody of the fetus without the fetus perishing, does society have the right to compel a woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy….and assume all of the costs and risks associated with it? The last part is important… there is no guaranteed….as in legally mandated…..coverage of medical costs, lost-work stipend, education guarantees, etc. And in some cases….when challenged to put up the $10k for a delivery or adopt a black inner city baby, many pro-lifers drift away and mumble about it being the woman’s responsibility and duty…..implying a quasi-gender punishment for getting knocked up.

    Life does certainly start at conception….but until viability there are competing interests with the woman having the right to weigh the costs and risks to her body and future. Life as a single mother is not exactly always easy….they are one of the highest demographics in poverty. Our moral shock often ends at the birth. I think abortion is usually a bad choice….with regret showing up later….but a woman should have the last word here….with society getting increasing leverage as the fetus nears viability. I just don’t see this changing…..

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  26. None of this matters in the end. What is going to kill legal abortion (ok, it’ll be legal in a few jurisdictions, like Las Vegas) is the complete non-comprehansion the Pro-Choice people display about how they appear to others.

    From what I’m reading round about the Web, they STILL don’t really ‘get’ why the way Pennsylvania Pro-Choice groups covered up for Kermit Gosnell was a political catastrophe. They actually get indignant that various States are passing laws that show a lack of trust in the Abortion industry to police their own. Which makes me increasingly certain that there are other Kermit Gosnells out there…and these idiots will actually have the nerve to be shocked that there’s a backlash when THOSE are found.

    They have NO ability to see that ‘doubling down’ on infanticide puts their entire position in jeopardy. And they will be loudly indignant when the truth is driven home.

    Up next, by my guess? Pro-Choice activists are caught running an operation to smuggle minors across state lines to evade Parental Notification laws…and they re caught because one of the girls died. And the Usual Suspects will be shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that this has a huge political cost.

    They have NO grasp of how to NOT stir up the animals.

    C. S. P. Schofield (9eb8bc)

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