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8/12/2019

Federal Gun Charges in connection with Dayton Shooting

Filed under: Crime — DRJ @ 11:01 am



[Headline from DRJ]

Friend of gunman in Ohio mass shooting to face federal gun charges: prosecutors:

(Reuters) – A friend of the Ohio man who killed nine people, including his own sister, in Dayton this month will be charged on Monday with lying on a form related to guns, federal prosecutors said on Monday.

There aren’t many details yet but charges will be released at 2:00 PM (probably CST so an hour from now).

— DRJ

21 Responses to “Federal Gun Charges in connection with Dayton Shooting”

  1. Hopefully, they will prosecute him to the full extent of the law.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  2. Straw purchase, eh? Adios, amigo!

    nk (dbc370)

  3. Ethan Colley (sp)? Purchased drum type magazine and body armor that was used

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. Accused of lying about being a substance abuser.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. On the form

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. There’s a federal form for drum magazines and body armor? Nobody tells me anything.

    All I knew about was the federal form for a firearm manufactured after 1898 and designed to fire fixed ammunition, or if manufactured before 1898 fires fixed ammunition which is currently commercially available.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. What?!!? It cannot BE! There was an existing law that prevented this crime? And it still happened?!1!

    There are not enough sarc tags.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  8. Way more details need to come out, because from what the local news says, the kids in trouble for lying on the FFL about drug use, but none of that actually are the parts for the AR pistol that Betts used, the magazine, body armor, and AR upper, none of which requires any federal form. So he’s getting in trouble so they can charge someone with something, even though everything done by Betts was legal, right up until he started shooting people.

    An AR upper is not a registered part, you can order it in the mail. The lower is the registered firearm. So you don’t need to fill out any form for an upper. Maybe Betts lied on his 4473 for the lower, but it’s going to be hard to charge him at this point.

    A magazine is available for cash, online purchase, and isn’t regulated in Ohio, or the US, in any way. whether it’s 5 rounds or 500.

    Same with body armor.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  9. He was charged because they were doing an all out investigation, even though this is (mostly) irrelevant. They run across something, they do it.

    I suppose that would be agood reason for anyone talking to the FBI to take the 5th amendment even in a case like this. Did they klearn this because he told them?

    Now if the Dayton killer had lived, they';s use him as a witness.

    Incidentally, Senator Schumer wants to outlaw the prurchase of body armor.. In this case the person who bought it actually inteded to use it to facilitate murder, but it seems like it had no practical effect.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  10. I just heard a report that Betts did use the stuff in his 8/4 attack that his buddy had purchased.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. Since everything else this guy had was cheap, I’m going to assume he had level IIA armor, which is only pistol rated, and of course, not helpful if you hit him in the pelvic girdle or head with anything above a pellet gun. A rifle cartridge, the police were also firing 5.56, just like him, and that will go straight through IIA at ranges out to 300 meters or so.

    As far as I know, they haven’t said how many rounds he was hit with, but I’d bet it was around 10–15% of the 65 or so rounds by the police, of which every rifle round would penetrate, plus any pistol rounds not impacting the armor, plus lots of shots from the police were lateral to the body armor, so most shots in the side would penetrate, regardless of armor.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  12. I just heard a report that Betts did use the stuff in his 8/4 attack that his buddy had purchased.

    He did, but none of that was illegal, or even needed a background check for. You can buy all of them online with no more regulations than a book.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  13. You had said it was not used, but they are saying it was. The friend lied on the form when answering questions about drug use, whether the purchased items were legal or not.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. CNN has pretty clear footage of the cops taking him down:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/dayton-body-armor-connor-betts-charges/index.html

    The relevant part starts at 00:25, as Betts runs past the camera, turns to enter the entrance of the bar and collapses to the pavement just outside as he starts taking rounds.

    Then, in a clip from a different camera, you can see three cops (one of whom is visible in the periphery of the first shot) shooting at him.

    He seems to have ignored the cops running straight at him with guns drawn, and turned his side/back to them in his rush to get to the entrance of the bar. That was the last bad decision he made.

    There’s no evidence in this footage that his body armor did him any good at all, because he goes down very fast.

    Dave (1bb933)

  15. You had said it was not used, but they are saying it was. The friend lied on the form when answering questions about drug use, whether the purchased items were legal or not.

    No, he lied on a 4473 that he didn’t take illegal drugs when he purchased a gun for himself. That is 100% unrelated to anything to do with Betts. Nothing to do with Betts was illegal in any way, other than Betts also lying on his 4473 when he bought his lower.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  16. The clip definitely shows what others said at the time – that the timely and effective intervention of police prevented a much bigger massacre, because he was less than one second from reaching the entrance of the bar when they waxed him.

    Dave (1bb933)

  17. According to CBS, (he told the FBI?) that both he and Betts were smoking marijuana and taking LSD several times a week in 2014 and 2015, when Bets bought some weaponry or whatever. He lept it in his home until 6 to 8 weeks agi so Bettts could hide it from his mother. (was Betts then living on his own> Not sure, he as his sister and her companion or date arrived at the shooting site in his father’s car)

    This story is actually from CNN, although used by a CBS affiliate I suppose:

    https://www.cbs58.com/news/friend-who-provided-dayton-shooter-with-100-round-magazine-and-body-armor-faces-federal-charges

    Hours after the August 4 attack, agents with the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives visited the home of Ethan Kollie in nearby Kettering, according to a probable cause affidavit. Kollie told the agents he enjoyed firearms, owned two pistols and had bought body armor and a firearms accessory for Betts earlier this year, the affidavit says.

    The 24-year-old allowed agents to search his home, where they smelled marijuana and saw a water pipe, commonly used to consume cannabis, and a Draco pistol, the affidavit says.

    Agents interviewed Kollie again, this time at his place of employment, on Thursday. During that interview, Kollie told agents he had done hard drugs, marijuana and LSD with Betts several times a week between 2014 and 2015, the affidavit says.

    He also told agents that he had smoked marijuana every day for the past decade, according to the affidavit.

    When Kollie filled out the ATF paperwork to obtain the Draco pistol in May, the affidavit says, he checked the “no” box when asked whether he had been a regular user of marijuana or any other controlled substance.

    Agents explained they were going to search Kollie, in accordance with a search warrant issued earlier that day, and Kollie produced a bag of marijuana and a .38 Special revolver, the affidavit says. He also told the agents that he grew psychedelic mushrooms at his home and explained the process to them, according to the affidavit.

    “Kollie stated that he micro-doses the mushrooms on a constant basis, saying it provides him with energy and is ‘fun,'” the affidavit says.

    Asked why he lied on the federal firearms form, Kollie allegedly told agents that “if he told the truth about his drug use, he would not be allowed to purchase a firearm.”

    Sammy Finkelman (324ec1)

  18. Klink… gotcha, understood…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. “Kollie stated that he micro-doses the mushrooms on a constant basis, saying it provides him with energy and is ‘fun,’” the affidavit says.

    It also apparently makes him too stupid to talk to a lawyer before confessing to multiple felonies…

    Dave (1bb933)

  20. He has already earned his pardon by being black and helping keep the Dayton shooting out of the white supremacist narrative.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. Agents explained they were going to search Kollie, in accordance with a search warrant issued earlier that day, and Kollie produced a bag of marijuana and a .38 Special revolver, the affidavit says.

    He’s the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

    Dave (1bb933)

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