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8/11/2019

Trump Retweets Post Promoting Conspiracy Theory About Epstein’s Death

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:55 am



[guest post by Dana]

Unsurprising:

President Trump on Saturday retweeted a post promoting a conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein’s death.

The tweet, by Twitter user Terrence K. Williams, blamed the death on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Clinton and does not provide evidence.

The tweet included the hashtags #ClintonBodyCount and #ClintonCrimeFamily, as well as a photo of both the former president and former secretary of State. Conspiracy theories linking the death to both the Clinton and Trump himself trended Saturday on Twitter.

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This is not the first time Trump has engaged in promoting unfounded conspiracy theories. Consider birtherism, vaccines and autism, Ted Cruz’s father/Lee Harvey Oswald/JFK, to name a few. [Ed. Trump changed his stance on vaccines when faced with the measles outbreak.]

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

103 Responses to “Trump Retweets Post Promoting Conspiracy Theory About Epstein’s Death”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (fdf131)

  2. And you expect less from the leader of the free world. I mean what’s next, more beautiful letters apologizing for ballistic missile tests from his best bud for life L’l Rocket Man? Very beautiful letter …

    MasterBaker (bcae7b)

  3. The msm which just spent a year and a half beating a non-existent Russian conspiracy horse will (rightfully) ridicule Trump for this without noticing one oz of irony.

    harkin (6ddbda)

  4. There was a “sweeping and systematic” Russian conspiracy, and it was an attack on the United States.

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  5. Trump should be ridiculed for such foolishness. He is the President of the United States. What he says matters, she said for the 1,000th time…

    Dana (fdf131)

  6. Heh, I must’ve missed it when scrolling through Trump’s Twitter feed…

    Dana (fdf131)

  7. Joe Biden says: Don, hold my beer”:

    “Can you go out and buy a flamethrower? Can you go out and buy an F-15?” he added. “If you want to protect yourself against the federal government, you’re going to need at least an F-15.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-on-the-second-amendment-no-amendment-is-absolute?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
    _

    harkin (6ddbda)

  8. There was a “sweeping and systematic” Russian conspiracy, and it was an attack on the United States.

    And Donald Trump was its intended and actual beneficiary.

    Dave (1bb933)

  9. I can think of well over one hundred things i’d like to do before I would ever check out Trump’s – or anyone else’s, for that matter – twitter feed.

    Satan’s dandruff.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. 9… lol. Execrable.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. #TrumpWorld makes up 90% of the membership of the #FlatEarthSociety.

    RT if you’re not surprised

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. Joe Biden says that “No amendment is absolute”, attempting to justify gutting the 2nd Amendment. But he’s wrong. The Abortion Amendment IS absolute, if unwritten.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  13. Here’s the thing: Trump, once again exposed himself as a shameful fool tweeting the Epstein/Clinton conspiracy theory. Instead of making people talk about that, people are criticizing him instead. Of course he will get angry at those shaming him for pushing a conspiracy theory, and then he will attack without ever once considering maybe the criticism is because he simply can’t keep his mouth shut.

    Dana (fdf131)

  14. “Joe Biden says that “No amendment is absolute”, attempting to justify gutting the 2nd Amendment.”

    I gave Crazy Joe the benefit of the doubt on this one because he seems to be saying you can’t just go out and buy a military grade flamethrower (actually you can except for restrictions in just a few states) or an F-15.

    But then he employs the oft-misused ‘shout fire in this hall’ analogy to reference freedom of speech. This very legitimate example (“falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic“) was used to suppress rabbis from distributing anti-conscription pamphlets.
    _

    harkin (6ddbda)

  15. Dana … and?

    This is pretty much “Dog bites Man” by now. Trump is a fool, but the GOP offers us no choices and the Democrats don’t even rise to “fool.”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  16. harkin,

    What I’m suggesting is that, should he assert that nothing in the Constitution is absolute, Biden should be asked “OK. What restrictions on abortion does the Constitution allow?”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  17. he will attack without ever once considering maybe the criticism is because he simply can’t keep his mouth shut.

    And the Trumpists will continue to assert that if we find anything to disapprove in Trump’s behavior it’s only because we are “susceptible” to “manipulation” by “media narratives.” It can’s possibly ever be Trump’s own fault.

    Radegunda (3578a5)

  18. BTW, Trump is not alone in this.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/front-cover-3.jpg

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  19. What I’m suggesting is that, should he assert that nothing in the Constitution is absolute, “

    Oh I understood your suggestion and agree there are many out there who think the entire Constitution should be thrown out and will hear him from this perspective.

    That doesn’t change my impression in what Biden meant.

    harkin (6ddbda)

  20. Well, I understand why Trump wants everyone to forget that he and Epstein were good friends at one point, but this might not be the best way to do it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  21. 19 – No, but the president should not be so quick to promote a theory blaming a political rival of his.

    We used to think the president, of all people, should be more careful in public pronouncements. But Trump apologists choose to treat Trump’s verbal recklessness as a virtue — when it suits their purposes.

    When it doesn’t, they scold us for thinking that the president’s words matter at all.

    Radegunda (3578a5)

  22. Regarding conspiracy theories such as the one that Trump is trotting out, there is a broader problem with memes from the far right that do not hold up under scrutiny. “Arkancide” has been a one-word reason for Epstein’s death, but it’s bulls**t because the influence of the Clintons’ has waned significantly. Bill hasn’t had a regular job in 18 years, and Hillary hasn’t had steady employment in 6½ years. After Hillary’s embarrassing 2016 loss, the Dems would rather keep her at a safe distance.
    The events in Sweden are another example of how these bogus memes get circulated, thanks in part to Trump’s trafficking in bulls**t.

    “You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden!” Mr. Trump told supporters at a rally on Feb. 18, 2017. “They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.”
    The president’s source: Fox News, which had excerpted a short film promoting a dystopian view of Sweden as a victim of its asylum policies, with immigrant neighborhoods crime-ridden “no-go zones.”
    But two days later, as Swedish officials were heaping bemused derision on Mr. Trump, something did in fact happen in Rinkeby: Several dozen masked men attacked police officers making a drug arrest, throwing rocks and setting cars ablaze.
    And it was right around that time, according to Mr. Castillo and four other witnesses, that Russian television crews showed up, offering to pay immigrant youths “to make trouble” in front of the cameras.
    “They wanted to show that President Trump is right about Sweden,” Mr. Castillo said, “that people coming to Europe are terrorists and want to disturb society.”

    It’s worth a full read. Pat Buchanan must be smiling. Putin, too.

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  23. Why does Trump want me to vote for Kamala Harris on November 3, 2020? Why? Why?

    nk (dbc370)

  24. You have a masochist streak, you live in Chicago, no further questions, how many insinuations about the president his father and senior officials have been floated here, the paper of record gave loonie mensch a column, they still have not addressed ths giuffre revelations to any degree, nor the fraud of the fusion fueled fisa warrant

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  25. This is probable cause for the FBI to “interview” Trump, with a material witness warrant if necessary, for any information he has about the death of Epstein, I think.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. You don’t need Russian camera crews (or the evil machinations of Putin cheered on by Pat Buchanan) to realize Sweden has a very serious immigration problem:

    “There has been a lack of integration among non-European refugees,” he told me. Forty-eight per cent of immigrants of working age don’t work, he said. Even after 15 years in Sweden, their employment rates reach only about 60 per cent. Sweden has the biggest employment gap in Europe between natives and non-natives.

    In Sweden, where equality is revered, inequality is now entrenched. Forty-two per cent of the long-term unemployed are immigrants, Mr. Sanandaji said. Fifty-eight per cent of welfare payments go to immigrants. Forty-five per cent of children with low test scores are immigrants. Immigrants on average earn less than 40 per cent of Swedes. The majority of people charged with murder, rape and robbery are either first- or second-generation immigrants. “Since the 1980s, Sweden has had the largest increase in inequality of any country in the OECD,” Mr. Sanandaji said…….

    …..Sweden’s generosity costs a fortune, at a time when economic growth is stagnant. The country now spends about $4-billion a year on settling new refugees – up from $1-billion a few years ago, Mr. Sanandaji said. And they keep coming. Sweden automatically accepts unaccompanied minors. “We used to take in 500 unaccompanied minors a year,” he said. “This year we are expecting 12,000.”

    Yet Sweden’s acute immigration problems scarcely feature in the mainstream media. Journalists see their mission as stopping racism, so they don’t report the bad news. Despite – or perhaps because of – this self-censorship, the gap between the opinion elites and the voters on immigration issues is now a chasm. According to a recent opinion poll, 58 per cent of Swedes believe there is too much immigration, Mr. Sanandaji noted. The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats party is now polling at between 20 per cent and 25 per cent.

    Sweden is a cautionary tale for anyone who believes that Europe is capable of assimilating the hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants who are besieging the continent, or the millions more who are desperately poised to follow in their wake. The argument that these people are vital to boost the economy – that they will magically create economic growth and bail the Europeans out of their demographic decline – is a fantasy.…..

    ….Meanwhile, Sweden’s neighbour, Denmark, has cut the benefits for refugees in half, and has taken out ads in Lebanese newspapers warning would-be migrants to stay home. The Danes don’t want to be a moral superpower. They can’t afford it.”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/
    _

    harkin (6ddbda)

  27. The ‘right people’ in cuba were so embarrassed for Batista, so in small and large ways, they supported the guerillas, after their land was taken away some of their family were shot or sent to the cabana they changed their mind.

    Rinse a d repeat for Nicaragua and Venezuela

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  28. The earlier link is the template for blue eyes, mminitrues focus on the only ailment that Sweden has except excessively earnest public servants

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  29. Meanwhile the head of the Maryland Democrats calls all gun rights activists terrorist, you think that doesn’t have consequences not drug dealers stick up men or terrorists, they can do nothing else, and it’s our fault anyways

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  30. Can’t see the forest for the squirrels.

    — Say what? Trump tweeted something really idiotic even for him?
    — No problem. We’ll talk about Biden, Sweden, and Cuba.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. ‘Make hay while the sun shines…’ on something else.

    In Friday’s ‘chopper talk,’ he also said Joey-Bee isn’t playing with a full deck. OTOH, that NBC News video of Trump whispering sweet ‘somethings’ into Epstein’s ear at that Mar-A-Lago party full of cheerleaders, that had Epstein doubling over in laughter, ‘says it all.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. The list of suspects ranges from the British Tourist Authority to the B’nai B’rith but sheesh! This orange contagion in the White House is supposed to be the President of the United States!

    nk (dbc370)

  33. @28 I feel like you might have been in the group of people saying that Obama would never leave and was going to make himself emperor for life. (and then were proved embarrassingly wrong and never owned up to it and now pretend it never happened.)

    A legitimately elected group of people you don’t agree with is not the same as a guerilla group in the middle of a civil war.

    Nic (896fdf)

  34. The bureau spent three years humoring a 4 chan prank and out takes from burn notice, they seem to have missed Sam bernardino Orlando columbus ft Lauderdale airport Las Vegas and parkland. Add Larry nassar to that listm

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  35. No, but I know plenty even in this board, who wouldn’t seem to mind if he stayed, as mencken said ‘the people get what they want, good and hard’

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  36. I had to google this crazy Epstein suicide conspiracy theory to find out what Trump’s talking about- it’s so ridiculous that I can’t believe there’s more than a few hundred million people in the United States that might possibly believe such nonsense.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  37. I dont endorse any theory, however one is naturally curious how this all came to be,
    The connections many have strived to ignore re Epstein, and those that have been shoehorned

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  38. This whole thing is weird because between the Clinton’s and Trump, one of them is the president and head of the department that was in charge of Epstein’s incarceration, and the other is unemployed.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  39. Teh butler did it…

    Colonel Haiku (2582ce)

  40. With a candlestick in the gazebo

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  41. But then he employs the oft-misused ‘shout fire in this hall’ analogy to reference freedom of speech. This very legitimate example (“falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic“) was used to suppress rabbis from distributing anti-conscription pamphlets.

    It would be fun to watch someone with an iota of wit remind Biden that the Schenck decision (“fire in a crowded theater”) was used as the basis for sending the socialist Eugene Debs to prison for sedition. It would be better if this was done in the presence of Bernard Sanders, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and the rest of that gaggle of mindless leftists.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  42. we’ve seen how many upper level bureau company and justice personnel, carrying out their own agendas in the last three years, because some burnt out british spy sold them a bag of magic beans,

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. 40. Good point, Herr Oberschenkelkratzer. Deflection from his own misdeeds is one of Trump’s hallmarks. He is the likeliest suspect of all, and this tweet adds to the probability

    nk (dbc370)

  44. unlike the last administration, where the press covered with a pillow, and they all uniformly pretended if it wasn’t in the papers, it didn’t happen,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. whereas in this administration, if it’s in the papers, it 50/50 that it didn’t happen, or a critical fact was left out of the story:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/11/beto-peddles-misleading-charlottesville-muslim-ban-cnn/

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. Heh…

    Colonel Haiku (2582ce)

  47. 49… you are being generous, narciso…

    Colonel Haiku (2582ce)

  48. I wonder when Hillary will start declaring “Witch hunt!” and “FakeNews!” after again being accused of an “Arkancide” on Epstein.

    Paul Montagu (a2342d)

  49. ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ that’s what the journalist and Haberman’s rizzotto tray clique are for,

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. can you tell the difference between nbc and media matters,

    https://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/nbc-executive-takes-over-left-wing-site-founded-by-david-brock/

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Pictures of clinton and epstein taken down from internet. epsteins clinton girls bought off or treatened off.

    lany (4baaec)

  52. Pictures of clinton and epstein taken down from internet. epsteins clinton girls bought off or treatened off.

    You mean if you do a google image search for “epstein clinton” it doesn’t show up…nope, still there.

    But why say true things when a your blatant lie suggests something nefarious about a couple of old unemployed people.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  53. One unemployed; the other deceased.

    Clinton does very well for an “unemployed” person.

    I case anyone has trouble with my writing style go here:
    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/prof-todays-students-and-professors-know-hardly-anything-about-anything-all

    It explains everything but the 10 years of heavy marijuana use

    steveg (354706)

  54. Paul Montagu @23.

    And it was right around that time, according to Mr. Castillo and four other witnesses, that Russian television crews showed up, offering to pay immigrant youths “to make trouble” in front of the cameras.

    I was going to quote that thing, too.

    Other excerpts:

    That nativist rhetoric — that immigrants are invading the homeland — has gained ever-greater traction, and political acceptance, across the West amid dislocations wrought by vast waves of migration from the Middle East, Africa and Latin America. In its most extreme form, it is echoed in the online manifesto of the man accused of gunning down 22 people last weekend in El Paso…

    …To dig beneath the surface of what is happening in Sweden, though, is to uncover the workings of an international disinformation machine, devoted to the cultivation, provocation and amplication of far-right, anti-immigrant passions and political forces. Indeed, that machine, most influentially rooted in Vladimir V. Putin’s Russia and the American far right, underscores a fundamental irony of this political moment: the globalization of nationalism.

    The central target of these manipulations from abroad — and the chief instrument of the Swedish nationalists’ success — is the country’s increasingly popular, and virulently anti-immigrant, digital echo chamber.

    That connects the Russian government with something like the El Paso killer’s thinking.

    That’s why I think some of the people he could have been communicating with were paid Russian trolls – my guess is maybe based in South Africa.

    The New Zealand killer definitely had contact with trolls because he said he had the backing of the “reborn Knights Templar” which is an organziation that probably doesn’t exist, except when stage managed by Russian intelligence. Anything that big would have been broken up by now or shown some other signs of being real.

    Sammy Finkelman (d41c9f)

  55. I think the whole thing unsealed the day before where Estein is accused of providing girls to famous men, is a pack of lies. There is apparently not one other person who backs her up, and the men have denied in many cases even knowing her. The whole thing is a red herring.

    Epstein was apparently at the center of theft and corruption, and to suspect someone had him killed is justified, but to name specific people is at best a quest for certainty where there isn’t any.

    Who is sad Epstein his dead? Many of his victims ad his known co-conspirators, because now they may become substitute targets and can’t turn state’s evidence.

    Who is happy that Epstei is dead? That would be unknown co-conspirators or recpeints of bribes, as well as lawyers who were suing Epstein, because when he was alive some of his money could have seized by the government or forfeited, but now it will all be available to settle lawsuits. And the lawsuits won’t be fought so hard, also.

    Sammy Finkelman (d41c9f)

  56. By the way, it really makes sense that by “The Great Replacement” the El Paso killer meant Tarrant’s manifesto and not Camus’ book. He stats out abruptly mentioning him – then he gets intoa digression and seven sentences later mentions the title.

    In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto….Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement.

    Otherwise it is puzzling how that book would lead to this, and this also explains why he on;y supports he oldr manifesto “in general.”

    Anotehr curious thing: When arrested he said he wanted to kill “mexicans.

    Yet he never once uses the word “exican” in his manifesto.

    Only Hispanics. And ::migrants” and “home countries”

    His editor must have reminded him that most of the new migrants are not from Mexico.

    Sammy Finkelman (d41c9f)

  57. Steveg, that guy in the lecture hall…I wonder if he’s this guy.

    In any case,, Netflix, as it sheds Disney and other prime content, is inching closer to 1990s Gingrichian privatized PBS.

    urbanleftbehind (dfd4d2)

  58. Epstein’s death really is the Disinformation World Cup, triggered by the King of Disinformation. Why wait for an investigation and the facts to unfold when folks can just jump the gun all over the place.

    Paul Montagu (a2342d)

  59. George Zimmerman, Darren Wilson, and co, would like to speak to you montagu, along with zeist and paranto, who fought the enraged movie goers from Benghazi,

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. Not denying it happens on the Left, narc, but you didn’t have a president tweeting brainless conspiracy theories.

    Paul Montagu (181e0b)

  61. A president might be expected to exhibit “gravitas” if competent and fair people are investigating. But there seems to be a perception by some, that the “people” might not be so fair. They seemingly immunized anyone who took a yoga lesson, allowed a server to be destroyed, overlooked the Boston bomber, covered for Bulger…dealt with Steele….

    A president might also cede discussion to a fair media–but to media fantasists? Like the one insisting that he wants to exterminate Latinos?

    He doesn’t seem worried about Epstein revelations damaging him. So why not keep the focus on the people who have every reason to want this to vanish from the front pages?

    Ceding the discussion to others is not the honorable and sensible thing in all cases.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e)

  62. #66

    Obama just straight up lied. Then they all laughed about it.

    steveg (354706)

  63. “There was a “sweeping and systematic” Russian conspiracy, and it was an attack on the United States.”

    At least you put the proper scare quotes around ‘sweeping and systematic.’

    No one in USGOV has actually provided any hard evidence of such a conspiracy for dispassionate public consumption. (Certainly not any that they were willing to take beyond the “court of public opionion!”) The simple fact is that Russian servers are often used by various subversives and intelligence agents because 1. they’re cheap and plentiful and 2. it’s easy to blame things on Russia itself if someone tracks you there. Russian, like many cold and remote nations, has produced a great many mercenary hackers with loyalties as divided and transactional as the typical multinational corporation, and they’re not likely to work directly for the Russian government on a regular basis outside of large bribes or threats.

    But there is no Great FireWall of Russia, nor does Russia have the Golden Shield Project, nor does the Ministry of Public Security run their Internet with an iron fist.

    “And Donald Trump was its intended and actual beneficiary.”

    By any significant percentage point? Half a percentage point? A quarter? An eighth? Measureable within the margin of error?

    No, Paul, Russia conspiracy-mongering was accurately described as a hysteria, with actions and rhetoric taken on it far, far, far outside the bounds of its actual effects or dangers.

    And while you strained at the Russian gnats, you swallowed the unaccountable domestic security state camel.

    SDNY Prison Warden (07e55e)

  64. “Obama just straight up lied. Then they all laughed about it.”

    The other kids are doing it, so it’s ok if I do it.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  65. Obama just straight up lied. Then they all laughed about it.

    Myopic, considering the dozen lies, big and small, this president tells on average every single day.

    Paul Montagu (181e0b)

  66. “myopic” said the cyclops

    steveg (354706)

  67. I’m telling you, boys, the more Trump’s supporters try to deflect from Epstein’s death, the surer I am that they also suspect Trump was behind it.

    I’ll tell you something else, too. It doesn’t have to be because Epstein would directly incriminate Trump. Allan Dershowicz, for one, has already been named (not that I necessarily believe the hooker), and Trump for sure knows a lot more rich jerkoffs who might be perverts than the Clintons do.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. I am nearly 100% certain Trump isn’t behind it.
    Who does he have left who would do it for him?
    Cohn is gone, Cohen is gone, Pecker is gone… well lets stick to the Enquirer and not ask Melania, but who is his “fixer”?
    Not saying it is the Clinton’s but they still have their full entourage of fixers

    steveg (354706)

  69. Obama lied all day every day. Big small and in between.
    One of the biggest liars I’ve ever heard or seen

    steveg (354706)

  70. For JVW.

    felipe (023cc9)

  71. nk:

    I’m telling you, boys, the more Trump’s supporters try to deflect from Epstein’s death, the surer I am that they also suspect Trump was behind it.

    Why would they care? Trump:

    I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters”

    Epstein was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, 150 Park Row, NYC, NY, which is two miles from 5th Avenue.

    DRJ (15874d)

  72. So far “his” DOJ as been more “hers” than his.
    Otherwise I’d be disposed to believe your version

    steveg (354706)

  73. The reason you can be sure that Trump didn’t order Epstein’s death:

    Epstein is dead.

    Dave (1bb933)

  74. Good one, Dave.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. Heh

    steveg (354706)

  76. The Clinton Foundation is less than 20 minutes from 150 Park Row, NYC, NY

    steveg (354706)

  77. Let me get this straight.
    Trump’s a complete dunce. But suddenly he is going to pull off a murder inside a supposedly secure facility.
    “18 level chess” or idiot. You can’t have both

    steveg (354706)

  78. I think we’re all kidding. At least, I am.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. A long time ago, in a place not all that far away, the office I was working at represented the prisoner who tried to cheat the executioner by shanking the pederastic serial killer John Wayne Gacy. And I doubt that there was specific government intent behind the murder of Jeffrey Dahmer in prison, too.

    What there is, in American prisons, is malign neglect. The prison officials want the prisoners to brutalize each other and do little to prevent it. It is part of the strategy to control them, and it saves the guards the trouble of doing it themselves.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. Well after furman, that was the only way to get rid of them, but after you bought ‘gorilla channel’ a little skepticism is in order.

    Narciso (cc42cf)

  81. Let me get this straight.
    Trump’s a complete dunce.

    Yes, you are 100% correct.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  82. Gacy was executed. As for Dahmer, Wisconsin never had the death penalty.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Heh, Mark Halperin isn’t kidding:

    Not a conspiracy theory but a question. If you assume the incompetence &/or corruption required for Epstein to kill himself or be murdered, why not believe he might have faked his own death via body double & escaped?

    Good grief.

    Dana (fdf131)

  84. @ 67, 68, 69 You know, when Mueller was first selected, the Republicans were absolutely satisfied with that choice. They didn’t start to complain about his “bias” and whatever until it started to look like he was taking the investigation seriously and didn’t get really loud until he didn’t find the results they wanted. This has led me to conclude that Mueller wasn’t the problem in this scenario.

    (for a blast from the past: https://www.redstate.com/joshkimbrell/2017/05/20/robert-mueller-likely-good-congressional-republicans-president/ )

    Nic (896fdf)

  85. Commenter yoda jr. already suggested the same thing, with no need for a body double, here.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. Oh, FFS, nk.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. Who supplied the silly pills?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. Who put Epstein in the same cell with a professional killer being held on four counts of capital murder?

    nk (dbc370)

  89. At least you put the proper scare quotes around ‘sweeping and systematic.’

    Disingenuous. The quote was taken directly from the Mueller report, and you conflated two different concepts: (1) Putin’s interference in an American election, which was proven beyond reasonable and resulted in a coupla dozen indictments against Russians, and (2) the investigation did not establish a conspiracy between Putin people and Trump people to push Trump over the finish line. Evidence existed, but not enough to establish with confidence, but not for the lack of trying by Trump people and with the lack of competence by those same Trump people.
    You also conflated Dave’s comments and mine which, to me, explains your unreasoning gibberish from the 3rd paragraph on down.

    Paul Montagu (a2342d)

  90. Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp
    Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong
    Who put the rope in the rope shoo rope shoo rope
    Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip
    Who was that man
    I’d like to shake his hand

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. The SDNY will get right on it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. SDNY Prison Warden is today’s nom de Trumpkin for the recurrent Mr. VPN, sometimes also referred to as Steppe Nomad the handle under which he was banned. Don’t even bother with him.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. Noted, nk, and I should’ve said 2nd paragraph on down.

    Paul Montagu (a2342d)

  94. Paul Montagu (181e0b) — 8/11/2019 @ 4:48 pm

    you didn’t have a president tweeting brainless conspiracy theories. </blockquote. To be fair, they're all based on the notion that there was still a suicide watch in place. To get around that, you need a complicated conspiracy. The Clintons get suspected, in part, because they can, or could, pull off things like that.

    But every big conspiracy has signs – the thing is, they are ignored. There isn't any here.

    Sammy Finkelman (324ec1)

  95. About vaccines: Evidence suggests that the measles vaccine actually prevents or cures autism, but nobody wants to say that.

    My speculation as to the reason: Autism is an auto-immune disease. Measles is half AIDS – it damages the memory of the immune system, without, however, doing permanent damages. But it takes two to three years after a chlld has had the measles, in places where it is endemic, for the child death rate from infections to get down to the same level as it is with children who do not get he measles. By that time the child has been exposed to all the usual pathogens again.

    Measles can erase some previous immunity. Again, it is half-AIDS. The reason some people die from measles has to be opportunistic infections.

    Now, the kicker is, what is true of measles, is also true of the measles vaccine, which is a live virus, and its effect is one sixth the strength of a full blown case of measles itself.

    That is one reason it makes a lot of sense to combine the measles vaccine with other vaccines – because if someone was given the mumps or rubella vaccine first, the measles vaccine might undo it. But if they are all given at the same time, the child will be immune to all three.

    It is also sometimes combined with the chicken pox vaccine. Not pertussis (whooping cough) though.

    Now there may be some other infection, or vaccine, that does the same kind of damage to the immune system that measles or the measles vaccine does and that may account for why now (since 1989) they want children to take it twice.

    I’m going a bit beyond what I researched, but not much.

    Sammy Finkelman (324ec1)

  96. Yesterday Trump’s excuse/explanation for his tweet, is that he was retweeeting it – he didn’t wrote it and that the person whom he retweeted is respectable beause he has so many followers, and as for what he himself believed, you should look at the question of whether Bill Clinton ever visited he island.

    (That does not appear to be true and I read that the releasded papers include a withdrawal of the claim by the woman who made the allegation (although she was still apparently going strong about all the men she supposedly had serviced. And from the James Stewartt NYT article, it could appear that Jeffrey Epstein himseklf wanted to spread this idea that oher men shared his proclivities. Jeffrey Epstein claimed to know people’s secrets because he said they told him, so that has nothing to do wth visiting any place.)

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    Sammy Finkelman (324ec1)

  97. Obama was careful in his lies. And he always strove to tell half truths if he could.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a3404)


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