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7/31/2019

Debate (Mostly) Open Thread

Filed under: General — JVW @ 4:33 pm



[guest post by JVW]

I didn’t take the time to try and make some cutting remarks about last night’s candidates, so I’ll bypass that opportunity for tonight. But let’s set the stage with a few questions to ponder:

Does Joe Biden need to hit Kamala Harris with a zingy one-liner tonight, even if it isn’t quite a haymaker of a blow?

Will Kamala Harris say something tonight that her campaign will immediately be forced to “clarify” once the debate ends?

How in the world does Cory Booker get his campaign untracked without telling an embellished story which casts himself as selfless and heroic?

Who among the rest of the crowd — Michael Bennett, Julián Castro, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard (ta-thump! ta-thump! goes my heart!), Kirsten Gillibrand, Jay Inslee, and Andrew Yang — will be making his or her final appearance on the debate stage tonight?

– JVW

284 Responses to “Debate (Mostly) Open Thread”

  1. If Biden has guts, he might hit Sen. Harris on her penchant for flip-flopping, but I somehow don’t see him going for it. I wonder if a craven phony like Booker, who is swimming in the same lane that Harris is, might go for it.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. If today goes like yesterday you won’t hear the first question till 8:23. Good for me, actually.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  3. This will be broadcast on Bloomberg radio, 1130 AM in New York and on several other stations around the country, and on Sirius radio and the audio is available in some ways too.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  4. Gosh, JVW, this might be the last time Tulsi makes an appearance. The left is mad at her for suing Google and aligning herself with Trump in fighting the “unchecked power” of the Big Tech. Worse yet, she made an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show. My advice: Drink her in tonight for there might not be a tomorrow with her. Sympathies.

    Dana (fdf131)

  5. You can watch the livestream for free on CNN here.

    Dana (fdf131)

  6. That’s like when Annabelle Wallace left peaky blinders for the mummy, sad.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  7. Let me check my watch… yep…. Joey-Bee is another minute older.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Who among these will call out the bulk of the candidates for being charlatans and fools?

    Who among these would you prefer to Trump? (It IS a binary choice!) What is the chance the Democrats will nominate them? (Remember, Obama drove the GOP to Trump, Only God knows Trump will drive the Democrats to do).

    Kevin M (d9e49b)

  9. Like Tulsi? Send her money. But don’t expect me to weep for could-have-beens. 2016 was enough for me.

    Kevin M (d9e49b)

  10. Tulsi is wearing a lovely pants suit from the Tom Wolfe Collection…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. But for me, I’ll pass. Medicaid-for-all is a showstopper. I paid through the nose for Medicare for 40 years, and I’ll be damned if some snot-nosed Millennial will get it for free.

    Kevin M (d9e49b)

  12. Yes, Biden is older, and so are you, DCSCA.

    And now you’re older still…

    …and now you’re older still…

    …and now you’re older still…

    h/t TMBG

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. I think Joe Biden will be hit hard by Kamala and Booker (who embarrasses me with his desperation, which is right up there with Gillbrand…). And then I think everyone else will go after him to because they know it’s do or die and why no go for the top dog.

    Anyway, apparently he’s ready to keep the punches from landing:

    Biden campaign adviser Symone Sanders told Politico that her boss is prepared for another onslaught. “He’ll be ready on that debate stage to discuss his record. He’ll be ready to defend himself against attacks from those who mischaracterize his record,” she suggested. She also previewed one line of defense Biden might use if confronted with his record on criminal justice. The 1994 crime bill, said Sanders, came at a desperate time when “there were mayors across the country—black mayors, clergy folks—white and black people were calling out for change, and they were begging their elected officials to do something.” That may play well to an older cohort of voters baffled by modern wokeness, but it won’t save him from having to face another week of controversy in the press as his record is picked apart again.

    Dana (fdf131)

  14. @12, Yet much younger than Joey-Bee. Though we do have several picture frames around the house purchased in the early 1970’s– when Joey-Bee was middle-aged.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. @13. I believe he can barely stand.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. Melt a piece of Saran-Wrap over the head of a Ken doll and you have the face of Joey-Bee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Oh gosh, Biden greeting Harris on debate stage:

    “Go easy on me tonight, kid.”
    She shakes his hand, “You good?”

    That doesn’t bode well…

    Dana (fdf131)

  18. “Whazzup, Spartacus?”, Biden to Corey Booker

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. It’s not just who delivers the zingers, it’s also about who the msm decides to pump or dump.

    Curious to see if they go after Clueless Joe.

    harkin (92ce59)

  20. Bennett tells America that illegal immigrant kids will be his priority.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  21. We only have 14 months to fix this elec…er, climate crisis.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. Tulsi in white… RACIST!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. @17. Fun Fact: Joey-Bee won his Senate seat in November, 1972… a month before Apollo 17, America’s last manned flight to the moon was launched… nearly 47 years ago. Two of the three astronauts are dead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. Kamila looks like she’s explaining to Joey-Bee how to run the remote and set the clock on his Betamax.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. Kamala: bill, er trillion dollars…she needs another shot of NyQuil

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. DiBlasio looking at Biden like he just broke wind

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. Gillibrand telling the usual lies in an over-animated fashion…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. When Joey Bee began his Senate career, the Pet Rock was still three years in the future.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Spartacus teh Peacemaker…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. “When Michael Bennet is dunking on you and succeeding you are having a bad night.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, the Ford Motor Company produced 480,000 of their new inexpensive compact cars– the Pinto.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. “I paid through the nose for Medicare for 40 years, and I’ll be damned if some snot-nosed Millennial will get it for free.”

    – Kevin M

    If the right-wing doom-mongering is right, none of us Millenials will be getting any of the benefits that you’ll enjoy. So, thanks for that. Good job allowing your “binary choice” mentality to bring us where we are today. You’re a paragon of pragmatism.

    Leviticus (fb75e2)

  33. So shes lying about her own plans povenance:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/1156726192143294466

    Narciso (72d34b)

  34. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, the number one hit song across America was ‘Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree’ by Tony Orlando and Dawn.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. @32.Check the lock box– a lot of IOUs signed by =drum roll= Bob Dole.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, the Polaroid SX-70 was the introduced as the cutting edge in instant photography technology and sold for $200. Today it is an antique; a museum piece and the original Polaroid Corportion went bankrupt in 2001.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career

    Elizabeth R beat out Apollo, Season 17 for the Emmy for Outstanding Series – Drama, and Keith Mitchell beat out Gene Cernan for Outstanding Single Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were not yet 18 years old. Today, Gates is nearly 64 and Jobs has been dead almost 8 years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Gosh, JVW, this might be the last time Tulsi makes an appearance. [. . .] My advice: Drink her in tonight for there might not be a tomorrow with her. Sympathies.

    Curse you, Dana, you have convinced me to watch. It took me a while to figure out where CNN was on my cable.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  40. When Julián attacked de Blasio about the cops who killed Eric Garner, a sane person grounded in reality would have said, “Well, Señor Castro, the fact of the matter is that the cops are public employees and have great union protections that they were granted by our party.”

    JVW (54fd0b)

  41. It’s better that way, JVW. I understand she’s a married lady.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. Poor Eric Garner’s mom: all of her personal time is probably taken up with meeting with ambitious Democrat politicians.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  43. Kamala Harris is a horrid person. If she divides the party by race in killing off Joe Biden then that is exactly what the Democrats deserve.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  44. TULSI! Get her! Get her!

    JVW (54fd0b)

  45. Only My Little Aloha Sweetie has the sand to punch the awful Kamala in the mouth.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  46. Jay Inslee is so wokedy-woke-woke-woke. What an idiot.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  47. Aw fer …. Here you go, JVW:

    On a moonlit beach far across the ocean
    She was twitching those hips and setting that hula (skirt) in motion
    All the guys were praying for Paka’a to take pity
    And send a breeze to part the grass (skirt) of my Aloha Sweetie.

    Oh how much I envied that lei
    That with every move of her body did sway
    Those rosy petals so fragrant and pretty
    Caressing the charms of my Aloha Sweetie.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. “You’re dipping into Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor.”

    —- Spartacus

    Next topic: Jim Jones and Jonestown…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. @43. Kamila is a horrid person…’

    Which may make her the perfect b!tch to go after Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. That’s beautiful, nk. I’m picturing myself singing that to her on an empty moonlight beach with just the two of us.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  51. Which may make her the perfect b!tch to go after Trump.

    Maybe. But I still kind of think the Democrats would be better off with a candidate of hope than a candidate of retribution.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  52. This Tulsi
    She really raises
    My pulsey
    A lovely pair
    of coconuts
    The Campus Queen
    of Kamanawanna Lei U.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. Weren’t we marveling that the Democrats just last night had avoided making the debate all about racial grievances?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  54. Now Colonel, don’t stray into salacious territory when you are talking about My Little Aloha Sweetie.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  55. 11… lol… tell ‘em to get off your cactus, Kevin!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. VP Biden sure has some pearly white choppers, doesn’t he?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  57. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, NBC TV’s Laugh-In was still airing it’s final season.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. The lack of decent paying job opportunities for millennials is no laughing matter. And the trend is not positive.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. Help him Obi Wan Obama, you’re his only hope.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. Time for Mr. Yang to make the point he tweeted last night, that green jobs are largely going to be filled by robots.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  61. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, New York City’s World Trade Center was still three months away from being dedicated and opened.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. “If the right-wing doom-mongering is right, none of us Millenials will be getting any of the benefits that you’ll enjoy. So, thanks for that.”
    Leviticus (fb75e2) — 7/31/2019 @ 5:58 pm

    When your car runs out of gas, blame the guy who was pointing at the gas gauge the last fifty miles.

    https://youtu.be/kh7WA7WwX28

    Munroe (0b2761)

  63. Spartacus must’ve gotten something strong from his imaginary drug dealer pal T-Bone. His eyes are bugging out.

    Bugg (024e40)

  64. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, John Dean, John Ehrlichman and H.R. Haldeman were still in the White House working for Richard Nixon.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, the designated hitter rule had not yet gone into being for another 4 years.

    Bugg (024e40)

  66. Here we go with the tired old canard that the Obama Stimulus somehow “saved jobs” and “kept us out of a depression.” Poppycock.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  67. When Joey-Bee began his senate career, Chicago’s Sears Tower was still six months away from completion.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. Bugg, you either meant another 4 (actually 3) months or that the Blue Jays and Mariners would not yet appear on the scene for 4 years.

    urbanleftbehind (66b04a)

  69. When Joey-Bee began his senate career, the patent for the ATM- the automated teller machine- was still six months in the future.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. When Joy-Bee began his Senate career, the DEA- the Drug Enforcement Administration- did not exist; it was still six months in the future.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. Don’t think Biden will be the nominee. He’s too consistently off his game. He looks weird, he sounds off. You can tell he’s trying but it really isn’t working. I can’t see any of these people beating Trump. (Except maybe Tulsi). 2 of them make me nauseous (DeBlasio and Gillibrand). Terrible uninspiring group.

    JRH (52aed3)

  72. When Joey Bee began his Senate career, the Nixon tapes were still a secret for another six months.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. @71. He’s too damn old.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  74. As I have written earlier, I was entirely wrong on every prediction I made in 2016, and therefore I am not to be taken seriously in any prognostications that I make this election cycle. That said, I get the feeling that Slow Joe started working his way out of the picture tonight, and it’s not going to get any better for him unless Barack Obama throws him a life-line.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  75. Federal bureau narcotics, largely recruited from the company like lou conein, the guy who toppled diem

    Narciso (72d34b)

  76. When Joey Bee began his Senate career, the first hand-held mobile phone was still three months in the future.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. Had to turn off the sound, except for when Tulsi speaks. Everyone else is too damn aggravating. What a collection of idiots (except, again, Tulsi).

    But Tulsi’s economic platform is pretty naïve, God love her.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  78. On the elliptical watching Tulsi *gym only allows CNN. Hell with it, Dems should push the High Castle ticket: Gabbard-Yang

    urbanleftbehind (66b04a)

  79. The way Biden stares at de Blasio as the latter is bloviating is like your granddad would stare at you as you tried to describe internet porn to him.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  80. @74. Every day and in every way he’s getting older and older. For God’s Sake, those of us of college years when he started out are now approaching retirement…

    If he had any balls he should have run against Hillary for the nom in ’16. Tough about Beau dying and all, but you know, it’s a tough job he wants.

    He missed his time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. @79. ROFLMAO. I was thinking more like he looked like he it trying to explain how the TV remote works.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. I’m unmuting to listen to Yang too.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  83. “The waitress who is getting harassed at the diner by her boss but might have a business idea. . . ”

    Uh. Ohhh-kayyy, Andrew.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  84. The unctous Kirsten Gillibrand just called her husband a deadbeat in so many words.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  85. Nice, Biden just returned her volley with a passing shot (tennis metaphor).

    JVW (54fd0b)

  86. Damn, I’m listening to other Dems again.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  87. 68-I stand duly corrected.

    When Joey-bee took office, Willie Mays was still playing , The Who’s “Quadraphenia” was months from release, and Bill Clinton was not married and had not yet held political office.

    Bugg (024e40)

  88. Grandpa Joey-Bee sees it slipping away.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, the LexisNexis computerized legal research service was still three months away from beginning operations.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, Aerosmith released their debut album.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. Montagu, is inslee termed out next year? Herrera-Beutler already.

    urbanleftbehind (66b04a)

  92. If Biden doesn’t begin his closing statement with, “These fucking people up here with me. . . ” then I will be gravely disappointed.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  93. Ah Joe. Man thanks for your service. hope you can get out with some dignity left.

    JRH (52aed3)

  94. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, John McCain was still a POW in Vietnam, two months away from being released.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, Bruce Lee was still alive and had six months to live.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, Aerosmith released their debut album.

    Hell, the Count Basie Orchestra, with the Count himself on piano, was still filling up Las Vegas showrooms.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  97. Why hes been wrong on every issue of significant for nearly 50 years

    Narciso (72d34b)

  98. When Biden began his Senate career, Led Zeppelin was 2 months away from releasing what is arguably their best album – “Houses of the Holy” – and Little Feat was a month away from their release of the seminal “Dixie Chicken”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. DCSCA…jealous of Joe a bit?

    Kishnevi (1b8c69)

  100. DeBlasio looks and sounds very pleased with himself…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. Bennett desperately needs surgery to widen his mouth another inch or two…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. “I think (Joe Biden)’s been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

    Robert Gates

    Bugg (024e40)

  103. I don’t want Jay Inslee anywhere near our grandkids…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. Shame on Tulsi, JVW: “Donald Trump is supporting Al Qaeda.”

    Dana (fdf131)

  105. Shame on Tulsi, JVW: “Donald Trump is supporting Al Qaeda.”

    Yeah. Sigh.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  106. She’s a whole lot more fun when she’s smacking around the horrible Kamala Harris.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  107. Bennet has a Clutch Cargo way of speaking that takes me back to the days of that cartoon and also that cute little Eskimo character in Felix the Cat.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. She sure did look lovely tonight, though.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  109. I’m trying to decide if my dream ticket is Gabbard/Williamson or Williamson/Gabbard.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  110. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career, Lynrd Sknrd would not release their debut album for another 8 months.

    Bugg (024e40)

  111. Andrew Yang, solid closing argument. He can be Chief of Staff in the Gabbard/Williamson Administration.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  112. When Joey Bee began his Senate career, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Democratic presidential candidate Tim Ryan, infamous intern Monica Lewinsky, model Heidi Klum and TV personalities Tori Spelling, Neil Patrick Harris and Carson Daily were still months away from being born.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. No, wait… the Eskimo character was Snowshoe with Clutch Cargo…

    https://youtu.be/6MHg1-mpcUY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  114. When Joey-Bee began his Senate career… Harry S. Truman and Lyndon B. Johnson died.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Kamila kicked Joey-B-ass.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. And they said no actual news would come from these debates….

    Kamala Harris, avowed Giants fan, sports Dodgers cap at CNN debate walkthrough

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233355412.html

    harkin (92ce59)

  117. Kamala-Toe on The Case!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  118. SCIENCE! HOPE! DIVERSITY! And a triple negative.

    Bugg (024e40)

  119. “8 more years of Donald Trump,” Joey??? Huh?

    Go to Joe 00-000-00.

    What a sad ending. He never should have run.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. Jolting Joe has left and gone away

    Hey, hey, hey

    Hey, hey, hey.

    JRH (52aed3)

  121. Ok, for a slight change of subject ….

    Looking at this freak show (and I include the first part last night) and
    Looking at the 2016 Republican primary with almost as big a cast
    My skin crawls at the thought of any these Democrat weirdos being President
    Whereas I could have tolerated all the Republicans from 2016 except Trump

    nk (dbc370)

  122. Gotta hand it to CNN: their post-debate analysis is even more stupid than what the Democrat candidates said on stage (well, ok, Harris, Inslee, Booker, Gillibrand, and Castro excepted). One of those schmoes just opined that Biden lost a hypothetical debate with Elizabeth Warren tonight. Huh?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  123. Please never make me watch one of those again, even if My Little Aloha Sweetie lasts into September.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  124. @121 well of course, you are a conservative. Any Dem would have said all the 2016 republican candidates made their skin crawl. Ask a dem if this group of candidates makes their skin crawl and they’d probably say no.

    Nic (896fdf)

  125. The REAL problem for Biden is that he isn’t sh*thouse mouse crazy enough to interest progressives.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  126. @124. Most of them make my skin crawl. Exceptions: Gabbard, Yang, Sanders. I would consider voting for Amash if he ran. I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for whoever’s not Trump.

    JRH (52aed3)

  127. @99. Are you kiddin’?? Still have my own hair.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. Did Joe Biden say that his website was Joe3030? It sounded something like that. I may have missed a digit.

    What happened to 2020? Like Yang has. yang2020 where he said you could input your zip code and see how $1,000 for everyone would do.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  129. oh lord yes the man said “Joe3030.”

    JRH (52aed3)

  130. 119. “8 more years of Donald Trump,” Joey??? Huh

    And the alternative was 4 more years of Donald Trump, which we could recover from.

    Several times he said “more” and never caught himself.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  131. @124 I am also voting not Trump, but I’m not particularly impressed with the Dem field either. This whole “Everyone must outleft everyone else.” is not my favorite strategy, any more than I like the republicans “I will outright everyone else” strategy they often go with.

    Nic (896fdf)

  132. Sorry, that was @127

    Nic (896fdf)

  133. You saw the time cover didnt you, couple months back.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  134. 130. JRH (52aed3) — 7/31/2019 @ 8:07 pm

    oh lord yes the man said “Joe3030.”

    Well, I don’t know. Maybe 2020 was taken.

    Unless he wants to show how future looking he is.

    He actually said Joe 3-0-3-0 (three oh three oh.)

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  135. @130. Good grief, Does Joey-Bee know what “=30= =30=” means to media folk, newspaper men and journalists?!?!?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. 13.

    The 1994 crime bill, said Sanders, came at a desperate time when “there were mayors across the country—black mayors, clergy folks—white and black people were calling out for change,

    Joe Biden didn’t use the word desperate, but he said it wasn’t his bill – almost every membe =r of Congress voted for it.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  137. I will outright everyone else” strategy

    As in protecting our borders or saving unborn humans?

    BuDuh (93be56)

  138. I didn’t like the way everybody accepted that Eric Garner was killed by a policeman. If so, who killed his daughter, Erica Garner, who died of exactly the same thing. And there was also an allusion by one candidate (though not by name) to Trayvon Martin.

    Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman! There should be no doubt about that.

    The question is why. Most likely, I speculated, because he took GZ for a Blood who was going to call other members of his gang to kill what he thought was a Crip. I don’t think TM was on some kind of drug.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  139. =30= =30=
    -XXX- -XXX-

    ‘THE END.’

    Joey-Bee a dope.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. 136. Oh yes! That’s a good point. -30- means end of story. (when they used typewriters)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-

    -30- has been traditionally used by journalists in North America to indicate the end of a story. It is commonly found at the end of a press release. There are many theories about how the usage came into being,[1][2] e.g. from that number’s use in the 92 Code of telegraphic shorthand to signify the end of a transmission in the American Civil War era.[3] It was included in the Associated Press Phillips Code of abbreviations and short markings for common use. It was commonly used when writing on deadline and sending bits at a time to be typeset, as a necessary way to indicate the end of the article.[4]

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  141. But is hat hs=is real URL?

    https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1156758374924656640

    Mike Gravel

    Mike Gravel
    @MikeGravel

    Former senator (D-AK). Read the Pentagon Papers. Candidate for president, qualified for the debates. Tweets by staff.

    GO TO JOE 3030

    HE GOT THE YEAR WRONG AHHHHHH
    7:47 PM – 31 Jul 2019

    Replying to @MikeGravel

    I think he meant “text joe to 30303” or something

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  142. @140-142 re: 30 and journalists. ah i was wondering. Google took me to the IBM 3030 named (apparently) after the .30-30 Winchester. And yes Apparently Biden was saying to text joe at 30330. Which is some way to get his campaign to text you and ask for money. Another Biden gaffe.

    JRH (52aed3)

  143. 53. JVW (54fd0b) — 7/31/2019 @ 6:38 pm

    53.Weren’t we marveling that the Democrats just last night had avoided making the debate all about racial grievances?

    This debate had everything that was misssng from the previous debate: Baltimore, racism or racist, Mueller, impeachment.

    And also, of course, a lot about health care.

    Also discussed: Climate change, immigration.

    One candidate said someone fleeing for her life was entitleed to asylum. Not so, according to instructons laid down Jeff Sessios. . It’s got to be the right peoplr putting life in danger.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)


  144. Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
    Here’s a first batch of debate fact checks (more coming). Biden wrong that Obama put protection for DREAMers in actual “law”; Yang exaggerated in attributing mall closures to Amazon alone; Harris actually understated pharma/insurer
    __ _

    (((AG)))
    @AG_Conservative

    Are you serious???
    Harris said at least 10 things that are unquestionably 100% false and you guys ignored all of them to focus your fact check on pedantic points about whether DACA was a law, whether automation is real, and exact amount in profits?
    __ _

    (((AG)))
    @AG_Conservative

    Harris claimed that it is “misleading” to suggest Americans like their employer plans. 86% of Americans covered by employer-plans consider them “excellent” or “good”:
    __ _

    Jim Geraghty
    @jimgeraghty

    Also, Biden’s three points against Booker on policing in Newark were all 100% accurate, but Booker somehow made it all go away with “You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”
    __ _

    kc2fargo
    @kc2fargo

    She is the chosen one
    __ _

    George Purcell
    @gpurcell

    They’re all on board for a “historic” candidate–either Warren or Harris would work narratively for them.
    _

    harkin (92ce59)

  145. Mayor Pete bought Joe3030.com by the way.

    JRH (52aed3)

  146. 143. JRH (52aed3) — 7/31/2019 @ 8:31 pm

    And yes Apparently Biden was saying to text joe at 30330.

    I thought there were five digits there, but I couldn’t remember them.

    Joe left off the idea of texting.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  147. @138 I’m pro-choice, so, yeah, I’m not convinced by the anti-abortion heavy rhetoric.

    As far as the border is concerned, I find Trump’s current solution to be ineffective, impractical, probably illegal, and therefore a waste of money.

    Nic (896fdf)

  148. 146. It rolls over to https://peteforamerica.com Did he do that just now?

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  149. Montagu, is inslee termed out next year? Herrera-Beutler already.

    Insless is term-limited. Ms. Herrera-Beutler, a fellow Husky, sounds promising

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  150. Grrr. Inslee.

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  151. “You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”

    That didn’t make any sense to me. Did it make any sense to anybody else?

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  152. Nobopdy contradicted the notion that we have (was it now down to 10?) years to climate doomsday.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  153. It’s 14 months, Sammy, dammit! Get woke!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  154. Welp, Biden shows a pulse and Harris spends a lot of time on defense.

    Gabbard had a much better make-up job tonight. I’m happy for you JVW.

    It was inevitable that somebody would make “tax the hell out of the rich” into an official campaign slogan (in fairness to deBlasio, I guess “I’ll mail you a check every month” was already taken by the Asian dude…).

    Dave (1bb933)

  155. Oh, and you got your Mueller/impeachment question too, JVW!

    So much for the DNC conspiracy…

    Dave (1bb933)

  156. Was Tulsi invoking Yoko Ono with that outfit?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  157. Just once, when these clowns prattle on about “making the rich pay their fair share” I wish the moderators would ask them “how will we know what their fair share is?”

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. That didn’t make any sense to me. Did it make any sense to anybody else?

    It’s a rehearsed line that has been field-tested and worked well in focus groups. Nothing Booker says or does is authentic.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  159. Was Tulsi invoking Yoko Ono with that outfit?

    That wasn’t the vibe I got.

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. So much for the DNC conspiracy…

    Yeah, perhaps. On the other hand, maybe the Nutroots complained to the party poo-bahs about the absence of impeachment questions.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  161. CNN’s alleged “rules” for the debate are horsepucky unless they have the sand to turn off Kamala Harris’s microphone after she has exceeded her allotted time by more than 10 seconds. It seemed there were a couple of instances where she went 20 or 30 seconds over. But of course they would be “silencing a woman of color’s voice” then, wouldn’t they? What a bunch of cowards.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  162. With anybody other than Trump to put up against them, I’d feel pretty good for 2020. But as it is, it’s like going up against the French and your army is the Czechoslovakians.

    nk (dbc370)

  163. Was Tulsi invoking Yoko Ono with that outfit?

    Hush, she looked radiant in her breathtaking splendor.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  164. “I think he meant “text joe to 30303” or something“

    Yes, that’s what they are claiming anyways

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. 153. 154.

    SF: Nobody contradicted the notion that we have (was it now down to 10?) years to climate doomsday.

    Colonel Haiku: It’s 14 months, Sammy, dammit! Get woke!

    Andrew Yang said it was already ten years too late. In other words, we missed the chance to do somethng it in 2009.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-yang-on-climate-change-we-need-to-start-moving-our-people-to-higher-ground

    “The last four years have been the four warmest years in recorded history,” Yang said. “This going to be a tough truth, but we are too late. We are 10 years too late.”

    “We need to do everything we can to start moving the climate in the right direction, but we also need to start moving our people to higher ground.

    And giving everyone $1,000 a month could help people cope.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  166. Yes I didnt get the yoko vibe at all, so it’s time to put Biden back in his glass case

    Narciso (72d34b)

  167. 159.

    It’s a rehearsed line that has been field-tested and worked well in focus groups

    Maybe “You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor” worked well because it sonded like it was supposed to make sense – and Cory Booker indicated they used that in Newark, or maybe where he grew up.

    I supposed the idea is: (to a child) What are you already drinking when you don’t even know what it is?

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  168. Czechoslavakia had a very good army in 1938. But they were persuaded not to fight. No help from France.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  169. Someone better tell that SOB Jim Geraghty that I saw her first:

    One of the more dramatic moments in the second hour came when Tulsi Gabbard went after Harris hard on the less flattering parts of her record as prosecutor: “She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana . . . When you were in a position to impact these people’s lives you did not and worse yet in the case of those on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence that would have freed them, until you were forced to do that, and the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology.” Brutal. Those of us who studied her prosecutorial record early know there is more controversy, but all of this is probably news to a lot of the Democrats watching at home. Gabbard makes a much more effective attack dog against Harris than Biden did. You have to wonder if Biden gets the nomination whether Gabbard would be on the running mate list. (Then again, Gabbard looks so much younger than a traditional presidential candidate. She’s 38 but looks like she’s in her twenties.)

    Don’t cross me, Jimmy boy. She’s mine.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  170. Kamala Harris got hit hard on some things she did as prosecutor including allegedly keeping somone on death row because she hid evidence. She replied she was against the death penalty.

    She also supposedly kept people in prison in order to provide cheap labor for the State of California.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  171. Yang on Joe Rogan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=96&v=cTsEzmFamZ8

    Maybe worth a listen if you have some laundry to fold.

    JRH (52aed3)

  172. Ms. Gabbard did a great job pummeling Ms. Harris on her job performance as CA AG.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfp_IIdVnXs

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  173. I gotta say, JVW’s crush on Gabbard is very endearing and refreshing. JVW/Gabbard 2020

    Leviticus (fb75e2)

  174. So is 800 k too few a number of abortions that would begin to make a dent, and maybe there wouldn’t be so much demand for illegal labor but that will probably take twenty years to come to pass,
    tulsi is still terribly

    Narciso (72d34b)

  175. But as it is, it’s like going up against the French and your army is the Czechoslovakians.

    The Czechs kinda got sold down the river by … the French.

    But they performed an amazing military feat during WWI and the ensuing Russian Civil War, though, fighting their way from PoW camps in the Ukraine all the way across Siberia on the trans-Siberian railroad, capturing all the major cities along the way, defeating the Germans, Bolsheviks and Japanese, and almost saving the Czar and his family from execution. They were eventually sea-lifted out of Vladivostok and back to Europe.

    The Czech army in 1938 would have been no push-over, and their tanks were better than many of the Germans’ at the time (the Germans used captured Czech tanks two years later in their conquest of France, which was poetic justice…).

    As an aside – somebody on a World War II history forum I was reading asked a really interesting question the other day: suppose there was a battle between a Vichy French army and a Free French army; who would surrender first?

    My best guess is that it somehow turns out like the famous experiment where a cat with a jellied piece of bread attached to its back is dropped; it’s simply more than laws of physics are equipped to handle.

    Dave (1bb933)

  176. Naive about Venezuela and rissias true danger, not this three year circle jerk, like edith keeler.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  177. I gotta say, JVW’s crush on Gabbard is very endearing and refreshing.

    He broke AOC’s heart, the cad.

    Dave (1bb933)

  178. JVW/Gabbard 2020

    JVW for First Gentleman (as far as that goes).

    JVW (54fd0b)

  179. You should know Dave, that wasnt the point, for that had lost a generation in the fields of verdun, they werent eager for a reprisal twenty years later, nor did they have real confidence in the civilian socialist govt

    Narciso (72d34b)

  180. He broke AOC’s heart, the cad.

    Oh, so you use that definition of niece. Gotcha.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  181. between a Vichy French army and a Free French army

    Even better, let’s go with that.

    nk (dbc370)

  182. The true resistance was largely communist and this highly motivated, these same surrender happy French fought two wars indochina and Algeria back to back for 16 years

    Narciso (72d34b)

  183. She still believes in the green new deal, so your admiration will likely be in the dark and freezing cold.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  184. Who mentioned Trump, Nic? I’m just trying to figure out what an “outright everyone else strategy” is.

    BuDuh (93be56)

  185. @186 if the dems are trying to out-left the others would be to be more left than their competition to republicans trying to out-right the others would be to be more to the right than their competition.

    Nic (896fdf)

  186. Oh don’t lean on me man, ’cause you can’t afford the ticket
    I’m backing my Aloha Sweetie
    Oh don’t lean on me man
    ‘Cause you ain’t got time to check it
    You know my Aloha Sweetie
    Is outta sight she’s all right

    I know, I know, but you can do worse than rip off David Bowie.

    nk (dbc370)

  187. Good luck, Nic…

    “Political discourse nowadays is enough to depress anyone, and the media don’t help by ignoring good economic news. But buck up, Americans: Worker wages are growing much faster than previously reported.

    The Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) on Tuesday published its annual revisions to personal income data, and the surprise was the huge jump in disposable income and employee compensation.

    The revisions show that employee compensation rose 4.5% in 2017 and 5% in 2018—some $4.4 billion and $87.1 billion more than previously reported. The trend has continued into 2019, with compensation increasing $378 billion or 3.4% in the first six months alone. Wages and salaries were revised upward to 5.3% from 3.6% in May year over year. And in June wages and salaries grew at an annual rate of 5.5%, which is a rocking 4.1% after adjusting for inflation. . . .

    The BEA also revised overall personal income up by 1.7% for 2017 and 2018 and transfer receipts down 0.7%. In sum, Americans are earning more and relying less on government. Personal savings estimates were also increased by $217 billion for the last two years and are now $1.3 trillion, which means Americans are socking away more of their earnings.

    The personal savings rate was revised upward to 8.1% from 6.1% in May, which is much higher than the roughly 5% before the last two recessions. This should make the current economic expansion more durable since consumption isn’t being pumped up largely by increased household debt. Instead consumer spending has increased as wage growth has accelerated amid a tight labor market.

    Recall how liberals blamed “secular stagnation” as the reason worker incomes weren’t growing faster during the latter years of Barack Obama’s Presidency. Yet employee compensation has increased by $150 billion more in the first six months of 2019 than all of 2016. Compensation increased 42% more during the first two years of the Trump Presidency than in 2015 and 2016. This refutes the claim by liberals that the economy has merely continued on the same trajectory since 2017 as it was before.

    The economy barely skirted recession in the final Obama years, and economic policy changed in 2017. Deregulation has unleashed repressed animal spirits, especially in energy. Tax reform has also spurred business investment in new facilities and equipment, which over time should translate into higher worker productivity and wages.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-99-get-a-bigger-raise-11564529382

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  188. Drudge Poll On Who Did best:

    Gabbard – 42%
    Yang – 24
    Biden – 14
    DeBlasio – 5
    Bennet – 3 (3.32)
    Booker – 3
    Inslee – 3
    Harris -3
    Gillibrand – 3 (2.62)
    Castro – 1

    harkin (58d012)

  189. Oh, so you use that definition of niece. Gotcha.

    I’m not innocent waif who was led on by the louche guest-blogger…

    Dave (1bb933)

  190. I see. You think pro-life is an outrighting of the standard republican position?

    BuDuh (93be56)

  191. @189 Good. I hope wages keep going up and I’d prefer it if the deficit started going down. I also prefer judicious removal of regulations, all regulations aren’t bad and they shouldn’t be removed willy-nilly.

    @192 Whatever the general rhetoric is, sometimes the republicans care a lot about abortion, sometimes they don’t care as much. As I am pro-choice, I prefer when they care less.

    Nic (896fdf)

  192. Got it. It is when they go to far right of your left of center position.

    BuDuh (93be56)

  193. Real disposable income annual change per year:

    2015 $330
    2016 $246
    2017 $556
    2018 $596

    The average increase for 2015 and 2016 is $288 ($24/month).

    The average increase for 2017 and 2018 is $576 ($48/month).

    Happy days are here again!

    The difference likely reflects the 2017 tax cut, which is effectively being added to the budget deficit every year…

    Dave (1bb933)

  194. @194 Really it’s a straight up center position. I’m also generally a political skeptic.

    Nic (896fdf)

  195. Watched a clip where Tulsi b-slapped Harris into next week. Harris has now been exposed as a hack prosecutor. Adios Harris.

    mg (8cbc69)

  196. Yang kind of got screwed on speaking time by Ms. White Privilege:

    Biden 21:01
    Harris 17:43
    Booker 12:59
    Gillibrand 11:18
    Inslee 10:46
    Gabbard 10:32
    Bennet 10:27
    Castro 10:25
    deBlasio 9:41
    Yang 8:38

    Dave (1bb933)

  197. I’m pretty sure abortion is way left of center. Years of cowardice, on the part of the right, have obscured true center. Thanks for the pleasant chat. Goodnight.

    BuDuh (93be56)

  198. @199 Not if you look at the stats. Relatively few people are for full abortion bans, even people who say they are pro-life. Relatively few people are also for unlimitted abortion through the 9th month (which is frankly a thing that doesn’t happen). Most people are pro-choice with some restrictions.

    Nic (896fdf)

  199. “French fought two wars indochina and Algeria back to back for 16 years”

    Haha, yeah, imagine being involved in a pointless conflict for 16 years in a row.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  200. Tulsi gabbard had a good night ripping kamala harris a new one! By the way there is a new audio recording of saint ronnie reagan calling black people from africa monkeys. you can here it at du.

    lany (f02aea)

  201. If the right-wing doom-mongering is right, none of us Millenials will be getting any of the benefits that you’ll enjoy.

    Leviticus, I said the same thing 40 years ago. I was wrong. And we didn’t have 401(k)s or HSA or any of that stuff either. You pay me back the taxes I paid, with interest, and you can have it.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  202. @190: So, Castro is running, and the entire field is running to his left.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  203. Haha, yeah, imagine being involved in a pointless conflict for 16 years in a row.

    Comparisons of our current situation to Indochina or Algeria are completely dishonest.

    Since the start of 2015, we have suffered 55 KIA in Afghanistan, an average rate of exactly 1 per month.

    We could sustain that rate of casualties for almost 250 years and still come out ahead on American lives if we prevent *one* 9/11-size terror attack in that time.

    From what I can determine, there are about 14,000 US troops in Afghanistan. If so, the rate of 12 KIA per year corresponds to 86 deaths per 100,000 troops per year. The murder rate in St. Louis is only slightly less (66 per 100,000). The murder rate in East St.Louis (~100 per 100,000) is actually higher than the death rate of our troops in Afghanistan.

    The situation there is far from perfect, and every servicemember who loses their life or comes home wounded is a terrible price to pay.

    But it could get a lot worse, and certainly will if we pull out. A less than perfect, but stable, situation is better than a chaotic and catastrophic one.

    Dave (1bb933)

  204. I was debunking the point about the cowardly French, but with only 40% in allied hands it does make you wonderm

    Narciso (72d34b)

  205. Re: Speaking time 198

    Biden 21:01
    Harris 17:43
    Booker 12:59
    Gillibrand 11:18
    Inslee 10:46
    Gabbard 10:32
    Bennet 10:27
    Castro 10:25
    deBlasio 9:41
    Yang 8:38

    Some got more speaking time because they were asked to respond by the moderators, especially when criticized by another candidate. And sometimes just asked to explain.

    But this didn’t happen when Tulsi Gabbard said:

    “Donald Trump is supporting Al Qaeda.”

    If Biden or Harris had said that, that statement would not have just disappeared, without reaction, into the either. Gabbard got some extra speaking time beause she attacked Kamala Harris’ record.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  206. * into the ether.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  207. The French military bothers to fight where the women are more exotic. Can’t stand Ted Nugent, but I do give him credit for saying that the French were like deer, good only at looking for garbage and rutting.

    urbanleftbehind (e5ee53)

  208. 202. lany (f02aea) — 8/1/2019 @ 12:34 am

    By the way there is a new audio recording of saint ronnie reagan calling black people from africa monkeys.

    One of the Nixon tapes, from October 1971, when the substitution of Mainland China for Taiwan to hold the United Natons seat had just been approved. Reagan called Nixon to complain. Nixon had had George HW Bush, who wa his Ambassador to the United Nations lobby for it. Reagan was complaining that a number of African diplomats had not jst voted for it, but had celebrated that. And he said “those monkeys”

    He said they didn’t used to have shoes up until they got to the United States or something like that.

    When Nixon repeated that “observation” to Bebe Rebozo, he changed the word “monkeys” to “cannibals” (probably because he didn’t want to seem to be endorsing, even in private, the theory of evolution)

    But Bebe Rebozo came right back at him with something about tails and trees. Nixon had also mentioned the idea they were new to shoes.

    As Norah O’Donnell mentioned on the CBS Evening News yesterday, this would have been shocking if it had come out at that time, in 1971.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  209. Well, Harris is the cause of various Fox News pulchritude veering into catfight http://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-stars-go-after-their-colleague-tomi-lahren-for-sexist-jab-at-kamala-harris:

    urbanleftbehind (e5ee53)

  210. “Watched a clip where Tulsi b-slapped Harris into next week. Harris has now been exposed as a hack prosecutor. Adios Harris.”

    The msm is going all out to make this not only go away, they are even using it to pump Harris and cry racism:

    Wajahat Ali (NYTimes)
    @WajahatAli

    Beware the Russian bots and their promotion of Tulsi Gabbard and sowing racial dischord, especially around Kamala Harris.
    __

    He’s getting some pushback – Harris’ history might be catching up finally:

    Sparticle
    @IamSparticle

    I’m not a Russian bot I went to law school with you and am a public defender. Tulsi was 100% correct in her critique of Harris. Dirty prosecutors abuse power. I would never vote to give one the power of the White House
    __ _

    Joy Reid
    @JoyAnnReid

    It is notable that her purpose in these debates has been specifically to take Harris down.
    __ _

    ☁️Cxma
    @CXMAguilera

    Hmm. It is notable that Kamala’s purpose in these debates has been specifically to take Biden down
    __ _

    Aisha Sharna
    @SharnaAisha

    It’s notable how mainstream media wants to change the topic. Kamala doesn’t know how to defend her bad record.
    _

    harkin (92ce59)

  211. Harris is a horse-faced hack.”

    —- Mr. Ed

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  212. In other words, these debates especially these 10-deep prelims, are a lot like a game of 3-Man.

    urbanleftbehind (e5ee53)

  213. Gillibrand explaining how as a privileged white woman she could privilegedwhitewomansplain things to other privileged white womenz… she is truly awful.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  214. Beta O’Rourke and Woke Sister Happy Dancin’ Gillibrand are toast.

    Kamal Harris is an aggrieved, angry, bitter crusader and she flat out wears your ass out. Fold that tent and hit the road, b*tch.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. Verdict on Gabbard: Pantsuited V1agra

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  216. One thing that Tulsi Gabbard didn’t criticize Kamala Harris for (that is, however, included in the cookie cutter conservative criticisms of her, at least in Nationl Review, is prosecuting parents for the truancy of their children. (because that was done to make the teachers’ unions happy.

    It’s not that they want to teach – but schools get some money based on the number of students, and that affects the size of the staff at a school and ths the nummber of dues paying members. Iron Law of Oligarchy and all that.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  217. “oh Wilbur”

    mg (8cbc69)

  218. Joe Biden: Go to JOE 3-0-3-3-0 and help me in this fight

    143. JRH (52aed3) — 7/31/2019 @ 8:31 pm

    Apparently Biden was saying to text joe at 30330. Which is some way to get his campaign to text you and ask for money. Another Biden gaffe.

    I read in the New York Post column by Michael Goodwin what it was supposed to be:

    (according to what his campaign’s Twitter account has)

    Text JOIN to 30330

    Text, not go to (it’s not a website) and JOIN not JOE

    You’d think maybe he’d try it out once, just in order to see that it worked; just in order to help his memory.

    People fed it to him without explaining to him what it was! Or, he had no curiosity, or he was too embarassed to say he didn’t understand and please do this again. And again. And again.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  219. Gabbard hits the stage theme song… https://youtu.be/MXI5Nuz6OHg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  220. 210. It was the Tanzanian delegation to the United Nations (not a number of different African countries, as Ronald Reagan thought) that was shown in television dancing in the General Assembly after the United Nations had voted to give Chna;s seat to Peking. And what Reagan said about shoes was “They;re still uncomfortable wearing shoes” (well if that’s the case, maybe there;s areason)

    The thing was Tanzania was, Tanzania (the result of the annexation of Zanzibar by Tanganyika) was pretty much a dictatorship at that time, ruled by Julius Nyerere. And he evidently ahd develped pretty close ties with Red China. (probably because it helped to maintain his dictatorship – I wouldn’t suspect any other reason.)

    Proof:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Nyerere

    Although his vision of socialism differed from that promoted by Marxism–Leninism, Tanzania developed close links with Mao Zedong’s Marxist–governed China.

    Of course, this was politics, not ignorance, and Reagan was too naive to realize this. Maybe Nixon too,

    Nixon repeated what Reagan had said, not to Bebe Rebozo, but to Secretay of State William P. Rogers, only he changed “monkeys” to “cannibals” and said that reagan said “they weren’t even wearing shoes” which I don’t know if it is true, but maybe Nixon saw it on television also, and maybe they took off their shoes to dance. He quoted Reagan as saying it: “and here the United States is going to submit its fate to that” and so forth and so on. The last six words from Nixon.

    Incidently I read a letter in the Daily News yesterday that said anyone having children in the back seat of a car in a car eat should take off their left show and put it in the back – that way they won’t forget ther children. That sounds more effective than a handbag or a cell phone.)

    The remark about tails and trees was made by Bebe Rebozo in a separate conversation. Rebozo said it “proves how they ought to be still hanging from the trees by their tails.”

    These people didn’t give them any credit at all for being corrupt.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  221. Did you know that Colorado Bennett is the brother of NYT Bennett?

    I’ll go out on a limb here: The NYT is backing a Harris/Bennett ticket. Maybe other Dem organs too.

    nk (dbc370)

  222. There were some people in the audience interrupting during the debate. Apparently complaing why Office Pantiliano should have been fired and more. This was while Joe Biden was speaking, but coud have been aimed at Blll De Blasio.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  223. 223. nk (dbc370) — 8/1/2019 @ 8:45 am

    The NYT is backing a Harris/Bennett ticket. Maybe other Dem organs too.

    The New York Times has an editorial today (who wrote it? Michelle Cottle) which seems kind of sad that the Republicans might have noo chance to win back control of the House.

    Really.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/opinion/republicans-congress.html

    Maybe she’s afraid that AOC and others will gget too important and be able to pass bills.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  224. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/business/media/james-michael-bennet-new-york-times.html

    New York Times Editorial Page Editor Recuses Himself as Brother Joins 2020 Race

    …. Mr. Bennet’s self-imposed moratorium applies to Op-Eds, columns, editorials and other opinion articles related to the presidential candidates or major issues in the campaign.

    The Times said Mr. Bennet’s deputies, Kathleen Kingsbury and James Dao, would share responsibilities for all political coverage in their department. The arrangement is expected to last as long as Michael Bennet is an active candidate in the race.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  225. Watched a clip where Tulsi b-slapped Harris into next week. Harris has now been exposed as a hack prosecutor.

    Harris after the debate:

    “This is going to sound immodest, but obviously I’m a top-tier candidate and so I did expect that I’d be on the stage and take some hits tonight,” Harris said. “When people are at 0 or 1% or whatever she might be at, so I did expect to take some hits tonight.”

    LULZ

    Dave (1bb933)

  226. There were some people in the audience interrupting during the debate.

    It sounded to me like at least one disruption was a group of cultists chanting “Four more years”.

    Admittedly it was difficult to understand what was being yelled so I could well be wrong.

    Dave (1bb933)

  227. Gillibrand explaining how as a privileged white woman she could privilegedwhitewomansplain things to other privileged white womenz… she is truly awful.

    The crowd loved it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  228. Harris in the comeback I saw looked like she had just got up from a 10 count!

    mg (8cbc69)

  229. As Norah O’Donnell mentioned on the CBS Evening News yesterday, this would have been shocking if it had come out at that time, in 1971.

    No, it would NOT have been SHOCKING in 1971. The media was full of things making fun of Africans. And most people didn’t appreciate these African countries that we were providing aid for, and had worked so hard to set free from Colonial Rule, siding with Mao and CELEBRATING It. Nixon had not yet gone to China, we were still fighting the Vietnam War, and we’d only stopped killing Chicoms in Korea in 1953.

    BTW, you’ll notice that Nixon repeats what Reagan said, but he never agrees with it. That’s because Nixon was ALWAYS positioning himself as the “Moderate” between the squishy Liberals and the “Crazy” Right-wingers. And as the Center moved left over his life-time, Nixon moved Left.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  230. I bailed out early. I can tell you that De Blasio in the first 90 minutes spoke much more than Yang during that time.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  231. They must have wasted at least 10 minutes talking about NYC and Eric Garner. what that has to do with being POTUS in 2020 is anyone’s guess.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  232. Don’t cross me, Jimmy boy. She’s mine.

    I hate to be the one to break this to ya, but based on what we saw in the first two debates, she’s Biden’s b*tch.

    In addition to mud-wrestling with Harris on his behalf (twice now), last night she lied and rushed to make excuses for him when asked about the Iraq war too.

    Dave (1bb933)

  233. what that has to do with being POTUS in 2020 is anyone’s guess.

    For those on stage, motivating blacks to vote for them has everything to do with being POTUS in 2020.

    Dave (1bb933)

  234. Dave @ 234, I see a mashup GIF where Gabbard is standing and addressing an audience, Joe Biden goes behind her and sniffs her hair/cops a feel and Bernie runs up and raises his arms in umbrage.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  235. Also, if that is a presumptive ticket (Biden-Gabbard), Trump is better off replacing Pence with Carson.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  236. The protesters were yelling something re: Eric Garner…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  237. rcocean — there were protesters there *actively protesting* about nypd and garner, and it seems fair to make de blasio defend his record.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  238. “Did you know that Colorado Bennett is the brother of NYT Bennett?”

    No but I do know he speaks like Clutch Cargo and sounds like Yogi Bear.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  239. no, she’s believed this about al queda, for sometime, this why she supports assad, vs the opposition fronted by the kingdom, turkey and Qatar, the last two strongly support nusra front and some elements of Islamic state, as it was in Egypt and Libya, she doesn’t have that skepticism about iran,

    narciso (d1f714)

  240. “there were protesters there *actively protesting* about nypd and garner, and it seems fair to make de blasio defend his record.”
    aphrael (3f0569) — 8/1/2019 @ 10:17 am

    But he doesn’t need to defend his record pertaining to the two Brooklyn officers murdered in retaliation for Garner. After all, these are Democrats.

    Munroe (4bb078)

  241. The protesters were yelling something re: Eric Garner…

    Now if they were yelling “Lock him up!”, I could respect that.

    nk (dbc370)

  242. as pointed out some time before, one of the leading fundraisers, in the uk for the nusra front, the Syria al queda front was a Kuwaiti born principal in Birmingham, others are actual officials in the quatari defense and finance ministries, but Qatar gives brookings 15 million reasons to say yes,

    narciso (d1f714)

  243. Let the record show that I was also on the Gabbard train at the same time as JVW.

    Buddy… we’re gonna have to share Tulsi.

    Prediction: Tulsi is a very serious option for as Biden’s VP.

    whembly (51f28e)

  244. Gabbard accused the administration of supporting Al Qaeda and is a sycophant for Assad. She’s ugly.

    NJRob (e14b8a)

  245. Pockmarked, bad acne, but a sign she was one of the good ones (if old saws about teenagers and acne are true…)

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  246. Gabbard accused the administration of supporting Al Qaeda and is a sycophant for Assad. She’s ugly.

    NJRob (e14b8a) — 8/1/2019 @ 11:09 am

    She ain’t ugly.

    Yes, she’s dangerously naive foreign policy-wise, but most Presidents moves towards the pragmatic side of things once they’re in the hot seat.

    whembly (51f28e)

  247. Munroe — please don’t put words in my mouth; it would be fair to make him defend that, too.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  248. Gabbard also lied when she tried to excuse Biden for supporting removal of Saddam Hussein, by saying “We were all lied to.”

    In fact, every investigation established that nobody in the Bush administration lied about Iraq.

    Dave (1bb933)

  249. ‘I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safey to earth.’ – President John F. Kennedy (D), May 25, 1961

    ‘…anytime someone tells you you’re going to get something good in ten years, you should wonder why it takes ten years…’ – Presidential candidate Joe Biden (D), July 31, 2019

    Idiot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  250. “She ain’t ugly.
    She’s muh Tulsi”

    —- JVW

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. JFK really needed eight ir nine years, and he made it the latest date for doing something, not the earliest, And Biden is close to right – the ten years exists because of Washington budget politics.’

    They should just abolish budgets at all levels of government. They lock things in and make it very hard to react to changing (or unpredicted) circumstances. Corporations don’t have them.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  252. Dave (1bb933) — 8/1/2019 @ 11:31 am

    nobody in the Bush administration lied about Iraq.

    But the CIA lied when asked by Dick Cheney;s office to recheck that information about Saddam Hussein having tried to obtain uranium from Niger. They avoided retracting it.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  253. 239 aphrael (3f0569) — 8/1/2019 @ 10:17 am

    there were protesters there *actively protesting* about nypd and garner, and it seems fair to make de blasio defend his record.

    They did this while Cory Booker was speaking about Baltimore, maybe because it was aslightly related topic and they took that as their cue.

    Then they interrupted Joe Biden to demand deportations stop (or that he come out against them maybe)

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  254. Gabbard “agreed” today that Assad is a murderer:

    Cooper asked Gabbard whether she considered Assad a torturer or murder. Gabbard responded: “That’s not what this is about. I don’t defend or apologize or have anything to do with what he has done to his own people.”

    Gabbard then listed off several U.S. presidents who have met with authoritarian leaders, and Cooper continued to press her on whether Assad was a torturer and murderer.

    “I don’t dispute that,” she said.

    Dana (28a379)

  255. the head of the inr task force, the author of the rohr memo, was the dcm in niger in 1999, when joe Wilson visited the country, hence he saw some use in sending someone back

    narciso (d1f714)

  256. Well… that’s progress. 😉

    whembly (fd57f6)

  257. but her point is that sufficient reason to depose him, by direct military or proxy action, for the reasons spelled out above, that’s not at all clear,

    narciso (d1f714)

  258. 231. rcocean (1a839e) — 8/1/2019 @ 9:25 am

    No, it would NOT have been SHOCKING in 1971. The media was full of things making fun of Africans.

    No, not really and certainly not in that way. It wouldn’t even have passed muster in the 1950s in most of the country.

    Or even the 1930s. That’s how far back they ahd to go to find a Kate Smith song or two. Early 1930s basically, and a song sung later that could be taken in more than one way.

    And most people didn’t appreciate these African countries that we were providing aid for, and had worked so hard to set free from Colonial Rule, siding with Mao and CELEBRATING It.

    First of all, it was actually apaprently just one country: Tanzania. And that’s not the same thing as calling their delegates monkeys.

    Reagan did not give them credit for being under orders, or their goverment corrupt and under Chinese influence, and probably also getting the kind of aid from Mao’s China that the United States would never give. We’d never train their secret police – or stuff like that which I would suspect China did. Never, ever, ever.

    In some countries the United States might work with bad people, when their opponents were worse, or considered worse, but they’d never train them to be bad. That’s why the Soviet Union, and sometimes Red China, had some success in getting governments to favor them.

    Nixon had yet gone to China,

    Nixon had announced, earlier that year, on July 15 1971 that he would visit Communist China.

    I was under the impression that he favored Mainland China taking over the United Nations seat of China, but the newspapers today are saying no. GHWB seemed happy with it, though, I remember.

    BTW, you’ll notice that Nixon repeats what Reagan said, but he never agrees with it.

    He also altered it. Changed “monkeys” to the more acceptable “cannibals” and said Reagan said that they weren’t wearing shoes rather than that they were unconfortable in them.

    Cannibalism is cultural and cannot be said to be genetic. The only thing is, I’m not sure where it was tha cannibals were supposed to be eating missionaries at one time. Maybe that was put in Africa in people;’s minds, even though it didn’t happen there.

    It happened in New Guinea:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1560483/Cannibal-tribe-apologises-for-eating-Methodists.html

    It’s also a logic problem, but they don’t say here where the missionaries and the cannibals are.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionaries_and_cannibals_problem

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  259. Oops. When I accidentally overwrote some of what I quoted, I didn;t type it back right.

    That shoud be:

    Nixon had not yet gone to China,

    Nixon had announced, earlier that year, on July 15, 1971, that he would visit Communist China.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  260. “In fact, every investigation established that nobody in the Bush administration lied about Iraq.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 8/1/2019 @ 11:31 am

    But, no exoneration.

    Munroe (4bb078)

  261. Jim Geraghty in Morning Jolt:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/slogging-our-way-through-the-democratic-debates

    Five times last night, Harris began a sentence with “the reality is. . . ,” and what follows from Harris rarely directly refutes the accusation; she usually emphasizes a slightly different point…. As seen above, Harris’ go-to move when attacked is to vehemently deny a slightly different accusation than the one actually made against her.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  262. “I think I represent the party today.” – Joe Biden (D), August 1, 2019

    Idiot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. Ann althouse:

    “Republican talking point” is a Democratic talking point.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  264. 259 but her point is that sufficient reason to depose him, by direct military or proxy action, for the reasons spelled out above, that’s not at all clear,

    narciso (d1f714) — 8/1/2019 @ 12:07 pm

    I don’t think it’s all the clear either.

    However, I’m dovish foreign policy wise. I don’t like the adventurism like we’re seeing the last few years.

    whembly (51f28e)

  265. I wanted to link this for JVW, but I accidentally watched and listened to her for a little bit and concluded
    1) There’s no accounting for taste; and
    2) Holiday Inn maybe, White House or VP’s residence no.

    nk (dbc370)

  266. Who among the rest of the crowd — Michael Bennett, Julián Castro, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard (ta-thump! ta-thump! goes my heart!), Kirsten Gillibrand, Jay Inslee, and Andrew Yang — will be making his or her final appearance on the debate stage tonight?

    How about all of them except Tulsi?

    Bill M (906260)

  267. 2) Holiday Inn maybe, White House or VP’s residence no.

    NWA reference?

    Dave (1bb933)

  268. Dean Martin reference. I seem to remember that JVW is a fan.

    nk (dbc370)

  269. Actually a Sugar Hill Gang reference, but if it’s a riff on 3 star hoteling, I think she’d make it up to IHG corporate.

    urbanleftbehind (e5ee53)

  270. The lady is not Presidential material. Not even Congresscritter material in any place other than Hawaii, in my estimation.

    Now, how much JVW wants to shell out for a sultry tryst ….

    nk (dbc370)

  271. Wow… the knives *are* coming out for Tulsi!

    Someone is worried.

    whembly (4605df)

  272. Probable final appearances last night:

    Michael Bennett

    Bill de Blasio

    Tulsi Gabbard

    Kirsten Gillibrand

    Jay Inslee
    ==================

    Probable continuers in September:

    Julián Castro
    Andrew Yang

    And of xourse:

    Joe Biden
    Kamala Harris
    Cory Booker

    And from the previous night: (July 30)

    Bernie Sander
    Elizabeth Warren
    Pete Buttigoeg
    Amy Klobuchar
    Beto O’Rourke

    Probably eliminated fom the July 30 group:

    Steve Bullock
    John Delaney
    John Hickenlooper
    Marianne Williamson

    and

    Tim Ryan.

    The field will be cut precisely in half, and there will be on;y one night of debate.

    Should one of the 10 projected not to make the cut make the cut, the debate will be split in two.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  273. Actually a Sugar Hill Gang reference

    True enough, but I didn’t peg nk for an old-school rapper.

    Dave (1bb933)

  274. Four and a half billion years of evolution. Four and a half billion years of evolution! Four and and a half billion years of evolution. And this is where we are.

    nk (dbc370)

  275. Thanks for the accolades… after 4.5 billion years you get me!
    I know it probably feels too good to be true, but by god you are all lucky!
    You live in the same time and place as me!
    Send your money to my gofundme page and I’ll pretend to tolerate you

    steveg (354706)

  276. You people don’t listen, do you?

    I’ve always pictured your legal practice with a big sign on the door saying

    GO AWAY!

    Dave (1bb933)

  277. Four and a half billion years of evolution. Four and a half billion years of evolution! Four and and a half billion years of evolution. And this is where we are.

    Jeffrey Epstein is doing his best.

    Dave (1bb933)

  278. #281
    Think about what his marketing just did for you… if its any consolation I read it the same.
    No money, lost cause, idiot

    steveg (354706)


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