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7/18/2019

Trump Partied with Epstein in 1992

Filed under: General — DRJ @ 10:00 am



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ADDED — Breaking: Jeffrey Epstein Denied Bail.

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Video unearthed by Morning Joe shows Donald Trump partying in 1992 with Jeffrey Epstein, his ‘pimp’ Ghislaine Maxwell and bevy of models during private party at the pedophile’s future ‘hunting ground’, Mar-a-Lago:

Just days after President Donald Trump declared that he was never friends with pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, footage has emerged of the two at a private party back in 1992.

Producers at Morning Joe unearthed the video, which shows that Epstein was a guest of Trump’s at Mar-a-Lago in November of that year and was surrounded by a group of models and cheerleaders.

It was one of Trump’s final private parties before the financially-strapped real estate scion turned his residence into a members-only club.

It sounds like the Calendar Girls party or maybe the NFL cheerleaders.

That was 27 years ago when Trump was about 46. In 1992, George H.W. Bush was President, the Soviet Union dissolved, Johnny Carson made his last Tonight Show appearance, and John Major was elected UK Prime Minister. Ancient history, right?

But … what about Donald Trump in this 1992 Charlie Rose interview? Does he seem familiar in 2019?

— DRJ

67 Responses to “Trump Partied with Epstein in 1992”

  1. Is it alleged that any of these girls were underage? We seem to accept that Trump is a cad, but that’s not the question here. Or is it?

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  2. That Trump was more honest and shows none of the aging symptoms the current Trump does.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  3. This is the ongoing battle to make the Epstein ickiness about Trump. As if America is crying out for something else to be all about Trump.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  4. I don’t think they were (but who knows?). But Trump has said he knew Epstein liked women “on the younger side” so choosing to party with Epstein brings baggage.

    DRJ (15874d)

  5. @3. That video is icky enough.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. It isn’t about tying Trump to Epstein. Trump is the one who did that by partying with Epstein. It’s about whether Trump has changed since then.

    DRJ (15874d)

  7. Let’s get a list of all the Palm Beach parvenus Epstein partied with.

    BTW, DRJ, the word is “procuress”.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Yawn. Divorced billionaire parties with hot women. A guy entertained for the next 20 years by top democrats was there too. But wake me if Kavanaugh was there.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  9. The “Grab ’em by the pussy” tape was in 2005, 13 years after this, so he seems the same to me. His strong desire to “Get Even” with people he thinks are disloyal is exactly the same.

    He hasn’t changed and most people know that, but he promised that he would be so Presidential that we will be bored. As he starts campaigning again and the next election is on the far horizon, it is time to review who he is and what he promised.

    DRJ (15874d)

  10. are you saying the Brits can’t tell pimps from procuresses, nk?

    DRJ (15874d)

  11. I am sure people will rush to tell me that they want Trump to be a fighter and he was lying about being more Presidential. That’s another thing that hasn’t changed about him: He lies to benefit himself.

    DRJ (15874d)

  12. 9: he bailed on the calamitous Paris Agreement, which no American adult should have endorsed; cut some of the “auto pilot” money that seemingly flows to the UN, and South of the Border countries no matter what they do; appointed 1 very good and one good justice; diluted the insanely liberal bent of circuit courts of appeal; has tried to wrestle with the border, which no one else really did, and despite pestiferous district court judges who believe they are co-presidents; nudged ATO to spend more on defense, less on migrants and welfare; stopped the decades long “honorable retreat” retreat of republicans from any charged of being everything from mean to racist…… need more?…

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  13. “calamitous Paris Agreement”

    what was calamitous about it?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  14. Take a closer look. Low light, lots of make-up. Liquor. They aren’t that hot- unless you’re in heat.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. are you saying the Brits can’t tell pimps from procuresses, nk?

    No gentle person does, dear lady.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. I’m there’s no bail for the billionaire serial pedophile. I am curious about the contents of his safe.

    Paul Montagu (dbd3cc)

  17. Um, glad there’s no bail…

    Paul Montagu (dbd3cc)

  18. tom McMillan, was in the shot, I know it’s a trivial pursuit question,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. The federal bail system is like what California was looking to adopt a while back. (Did it ever do it, BTW?) Money is incidental. Court services make an assessment of flight risk and dangerousness, and the court decides whether to release the defendant on his word to be good and come back for trial secured by only his word; or his word and a promise to forfeit a certain amount; or his word and a promise to forfeit a certain amount which, or a part of, is deposited with the court.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. what I found interesting was alice fisher, the division head who signed off the plea, she ended up representing purdue pharmaceuticals at latham, like holder did at Covington,

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. I am curious about the contents of his safe.

    And now let’s go to our man on the scene – Geraldo, what can you tell us?

    Dave (1bb933)

  22. #14, DC, that post just screams for a segue to 2 Live Crew’s Me So Horny (I’m like a dog in heat, a freak without warning…) – but I wont sully the blog with a link to the video.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  23. From what I’ve read, Epstein did teach physics at a private institution before heading off to Wall Street, so right off the bat, he was on a miscreant’s path.

    All joking aside… according to records, what year did his criminal abuse of underage females begin?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. that nbc aired it (the lair of lauer and brokaw) and inside edition (which rose and moonves) held court is very rich irony,

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. It’s like CBS-owned Showtime airing the Ailes series, narciso… so much fertile soil close to home, and yet.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. it’s found it’s very selective audience, with the chum, the Murdoch boys fed gabe Sherman,

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. Trump banned Epstein from Mar-A-Lago in the early 2000s, so perhaps it was Epstein who crossed the line.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  28. The ‘line was crossed’ when Trump tried to dance…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Take a closer look. Low light, lots of make-up. Liquor. They aren’t that hot- unless you’re in heat.

    Those are the oldest NFL cheerleaders I’ve ever seen. Perhaps “former NFL cheerleaders” didn’t have the same news punch. If any of them are underage, they have progeria.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  30. 13: Gee, having read it months ago, I remember the vague and general language vacuous enough for a UN Committee to drive a fleet of hybrid SUV’s through; references to agreeing to tech transfers; to fund transfers; to contributions to fund poorer countries; to “enforcement mechanisms,” the governance by non-US countries in the majority, that would be deciding endless things including the PR underwritten by the Non First Amendment members Paris Agreement.

    What exactly did you find so attractive about it? I mean given the stunning success and low cost of the UN for example?

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  31. “Gee, having read it months ago, I remember the vague and general language vacuous enough for a UN Committee to drive a fleet of hybrid SUV’s through; references to agreeing to tech transfers; to fund transfers; to contributions to fund poorer countries; to “enforcement mechanisms,” the governance by non-US countries in the majority, that would be deciding endless things including the PR underwritten by the Non First Amendment members Paris Agreement.”

    So, what part of this is calamitous? You put enforcement mechanisms in quotes, is that because there weren’t actually any enforcement mechanisms?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  32. All the Paris accord required the US to do was write a non-binding report every year.

    There was also a provision for voluntary financial contributions to a “Green Climate Fund” to help developing countries adopt cleaner energy technologies and mitigate rising sea levels and other climate change effects. Obama directed $1B to this initiative from existing State Department international aid fundind, and had pledged a total of $3B over the life of the agreement.

    That was the full extent of the “calamitous” agreement…

    Dave (1bb933)

  33. Right, Dave. Who cares about the $1B?/sarc But I agree that “calamitous” is a bit much. “Outrageous”, however…

    felipe (023cc9)

  34. 7. nk (dbc370) — 7/18/2019 @ 10:24 am

    Let’s get a list of all the Palm Beach parvenus Epstein partied with.

    President Bill Clinton was at some event where Epstein was in 1995.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/records-show-clinton-dined-with-epstein-in-1995-predating-public-timeline

    But according to a story published back in March 1995 by the Palm Beach Post, then-President Clinton attended a “three-hour dinner” at the time with a “very select group of people” at the Palm Beach home of business magnate Ron Perelman. The diverse group included Epstein — as well as singer Jimmy Buffet, actor Don Johnson, then-co-chairman of the Democratic National Committee Don Fowler and others.

    “Joining Clinton for a three-hour dinner was a very select group of people, some of whom, according to one Democratic Party source, gave as much as $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee for the privilege of dining with the president,” the report said.

    Epstein also met former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in 2002. He had been introduced to him by Shimon Peres.

    None of these people were with Epstein because he gave them girls. That idea is sort of suggested but is ridiculous.

    Jeffrey Epstein was making connections and connections and connections. Because I guess he felt he might need them.

    The foreign passport with his picture and different name that said he lived in Saudi Arabia that expired in 1982 that was found recently in a safe at his New York residence was from Austria. (his parents were secular Jews, it would sound like from this refugees from 1938-9 Austria, and he maybe applied for it..but still there would have to be something irregular here – I mean the residence in Saudi Arabia and the dfferent name.)

    His lawyers say he never used it, and that he got that passport to use in case an airplane e was on he was on was hijacked – he could present that to the hijackers and not get taken hostage or killed. It’s been noted that he had a private plane, but this would have been before he hsd one.

    Sammy Finkelman (97c2e3)

  35. 27. Kevin M (21ca15) — 7/18/2019 @ 11:37 am

    Trump banned Epstein from Mar-A-Lago in the early 2000s, so perhaps it was Epstein who crossed the line.

    Trump didn’t ban him personally – a manager did, because he tried to recruit one of the workers there or somebody (maybe somebody’s daughter) to be a masseuse for him. Which later on turned out to be is usual modus operendi.

    Later, Trump had a falling out with him caused by some business dispute. Trump says he hasn’t seen him in more than 15 years – that takes you back to 2004.

    When Epstein’s was written about and came under investigation after 2005, Trump made sure that NBC knew that he’d been banned before from Mar A Lago.

    Sammy Finkelman (97c2e3)

  36. clinton was a party animal with epstein too and unlike allan derschewitz he didn’t keep his underwear on!

    lany (5897f9)

  37. nk – the legislature passed it. Opponents circulated and qualified a referendum. https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/qualified-ballot-measures/ Implementation is delayed pending the outcome of vote on the referendum during the 2020 election.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  38. So no one really cares about a President’s questionable past behavior and associates if they are from years ago?

    Ok.

    New topic: Anyone remember the Republican political posturing and outrage over Obama-Ayers?

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. “Anyone remember the Republican political posturing and outrage over Obama-Ayers?”

    Yes indeed. You will now write a paragraph on why comparing a never-disavowed close association with a known terrorist in his prime terrorist years is exactly like one rich cad partying with what anyone at the time assumed to be just another rich cad.

    While you’re at it, you might also ask why the media never mentions the first.

    Advocat (5c2556)

  40. um ayers was part of Obama’s management experience at the joyce and Annenberg foundations, he presides over the textbooks that drive left ward indoctrination,

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. 41… partying with 28 mature women in ‘92 was in poor taste… but Trump should have been prescient and realized that Epstein would be committing crimes 10 years in the future?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. now the people who were partying with him, right after he got out of jail, at least one Stephanopoulos still a public presence, the perky Couric not so much

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. What’s the point? Its already been proven that Epstein and Trump occasionally socialized in the 1990s and early 2000s. We already know that Trump likes women. We also know Trump broke off any relationship in 2004 and barred Epstein from his club. So, this adds nothing. Got anything from the last 15 YEARS?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  44. So Epstein was denied bail. He said if granted bail he would have remained in his mansion in New York. How much you want to bet the FBI is taking that house down to the studs to find all the stuff squirreled away in the walls

    Stacy0311 (3d63e6)

  45. I am no fan of Trump, but there is a big difference between rich middle-aged men hobnobbing with 20-something beauty contestants (or whatever), and child molestation. Trump is a sleaze-ball, that we knew. No evidence he ever knew or condoned the criminal acts of such as Epstein.

    The attempt to associate Trump with Epstein is itself sleazy. Epstein socialized with many rich, powerful and/or well connected people. That does not mean they had anything to do with his criminal acts.

    Bored Lawyer (423ce8)

  46. Yes… as mentioned, partying with 28 mature women in ‘92 was in poor taste… but does DRJ really believe that Trump should have been prescient and realized that Epstein would be committing crimes 10 years in the future?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Got anything from the last 15 YEARS?

    rcocean (1a839e) — 7/18/2019 @ 4:50 pm

    2005, 2006, 2005-2010, and the many political scandals including this one from the White House. We all know about Trump’s lifetime of scandals but limiting it to the last 15 years is convenient. Do any Trump supporters do that for Hillary, Obama, or any Republican who opposes Trump?

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. ut does DRJ really believe that Trump should have been prescient and realized that Epstein would be committing crimes 10 years in the future?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2019 @ 5:40 pm

    No. Instead, I take him at his word that he knew Epstein liked them young and he saw Epstein at private parties. Do you think no one who spent any time with Epstein knew his proclivities?

    DRJ (15874d)

  49. 51… so you find the partying with 28 mature women with future criminal Epstein to be on par with the Obama-Ayers relationship? Ayers was a known domestic terrorist bomber – unrepentant to this day – well before Obama met him.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. I don’t know about the 90s timeframe, but certainly by the early to mid-2000s people should’ve been well aware of what Epstein was all about.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. 52 was re: your number 41, DRJ…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. A library bans a church group from teaching children about god, we have gone straight to hell.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  53. “Do any Trump supporters do that for Hillary, Obama, or any Republican who opposes Trump?”

    They still talk about Chappaquiddick, and Ted has been dead for 10 years.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  54. … so you find the partying with 28 mature women with future criminal Epstein to be on par with the Obama-Ayers relationship? Ayers was a known domestic terrorist bomber – unrepentant to this day – well before Obama met him.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2019 @ 6:05 pm

    I knew this would be interesting, if only to me.

    So the standard now is we don’t care if Presidents partied with future felons whose behavior was already questionable. These weren’t college boys, they were men. Or do all mid-40’s men you know party with 20-something-year-old girls (NFL cheerleaders) and possibly younger (the calendar girls) — even though Trump was supposedly with a pregnant Marla Maples? Nothing to see here except two lucky guys.

    Further, do you really think Epstein never engaged in questionable conduct in the decade before 2001 when the Florida charges alleged sex with underage minors? Did he just suddenly develop a desire for teenagers that no one but Trump noticed? (Did I mention that both Epstein and Trump liked them young? Maybe that was their bond.)

    As for Obama-Ayers, that isn’t my job to defend. I’m the one who thinks adults, especially those who want to be President, should demonstrate good choices in their associates and behavior. Neither Trump nor Obama did that, but at least Obama could claim that when he knew him, Ayers had put his past behind him and gone on to a job as a professor at a respected college.

    And since the argument about Trump seems to be that only the last 15 years matters: Ayers’ crimes ended in 1970. Obama went to Chicago in 1992 and worked with Ayers in the mid-90’s, 25 years later. Or does time only work to benefit Trump?

    But we don’t care about that, right? Everyone knows Trump is a cad but that Obama …

    DRJ (15874d)

  55. Bill Ayers organized the gun control strategy they have been trying for nearly 30 years now, he has great influence on curriculum matters personally and through his acolytes and associates like Linda hammond, he still has much more influence than any president

    Narciso (c67b88)

  56. … he still has much more influence than any president

    Wow. You believe that, don’t you?

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. I could understand an argument that Ayers’ influence on education has had an impact on America, but I can’t go as far as you do.

    DRJ (15874d)

  58. I have no information one way or the other on Epstein’s proclivities pre-2000. I haven’t read anything about him being charged with any crimes. I have my own suspicions.

    40 year old (or older) men cavorting with 20-something year old women is not news, same holds true for women in a reversed role.

    Wikipedia has interesting info on William Ayers, both before and after his alleged conversion to respectability… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. At a macro level yes, hes not in government but he has shaped the mindsets of those who are, and in media the gramsci trek through the institutions, he figures out what Lenin found out direct action is not the most effective way to transformation,

    Narciso (c67b88)

  60. We all know about Trump’s lifetime of scandals but limiting it to the last 15 years is convenient.

    One of the more hilarious arguments I’ve heard in defense of Trump is that his seeking of the presidency was a way of “atoning for” his past sins. Never mind that he has never shown any awareness that he might have sins that need atonement.

    Those who argue along those lines also believe that Trump has made an extraordinary personal sacrifice out of love for America. They somehow fail to notice that status and prestige matter even more to Trump than wealth.

    Radegunda (f133c3)

  61. 61. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2019 @ 8:48 pm

    I have no information one way or the other on Epstein’s proclivities pre-2000. I haven’t read anything about him being charged with any crimes. I have my own suspicions.

    All the possible criminal charges seeem to be confined to the years 2002 to 2005. Some of the indivduals say that in their case it went back to 2001.

    This does create a mystery.

    I read that somebody wrote something or wanted to write something in 1994. One person who did work for him on his island in the Virgin Islands apparently noticed the same kinds of women around in 1999 (when he started) as in later years (till he quitr around 2005.)

    The 14-year old girl in New York invited to his house in 2001 by a woman in her 20s seems to describe something that had been going on for some time.

    So it seems to go back before the year 2000. In earlier times he had an older girlfriend or two – maybe they became ex-girlfriends and even procurers.

    The person who wrote a profile on Epstein for Vanity Fair in 2003 had something about him trying to seduce a 16 year old (and her older sister) cut from her story, apparently because of libel considerations and the two sisters and their mother not necessarily being willing to testify in court. But this may belong to the post-2001 period.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/business/media/vicky-ward-jeffrey-epstein-vanity-fair.html

    How long did this continue?

    When Epstein was in half jail in Florida in 2008 and 2009 he was allowd to leave for up 12 hours a day 6 days week to work. There was a place by his lawyers where young women were flown in from New York. One source told a newspaper that none of them (to his knowledge) were under 18 (“underage”), but none of them were over age 21 either.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c0a6)

  62. He still hung around for six years, grayson Carter edited the names of the victims 16 years in vicky wards profile, who knows what else. Schumer Pelosi kerry all took his money, wherever it came from

    Narciso (c67b88)

  63. 63… if I could wire you $2.50, you could buy a cup of coffee.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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