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7/12/2019

News Roundup: Jeffrey Epstein

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:02 pm



[guest post by Dana]

On top of Alex Acosta’s resignation, there are some other revelations and developments happening in the unfolding Jeffrey Epstein case. I’ve compiled some of the latest news for your perusal.

First, more victims are coming forward to accuse Epstein of having sexually abused them:

At least a dozen new victims have come forward to claim they were sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein even as the multimillionaire money manager tries to convince a federal judge to allow him to await a sex trafficking trial from the comfort of the same $77 million Manhattan mansion where he’s accused of luring teenage girls into unwanted sex acts.

Following Epstein’s arrest Saturday in New Jersey, four women have reached out to New York lawyer David Boies, and at least 10 other women have approached other lawyers who have represented dozens of Epstein’s alleged victims in the past.

Jack Scarola, a Palm Beach attorney, said at least five women, all of whom were minors at the time of their alleged encounters with Epstein, have reached out to either him or Fort Lauderdale lawyer Brad Edwards.

“The people we are speaking to are underage victims in Florida and in New York. They are not individuals whose claims have previously been part of any law enforcement investigation,’’ Scarola said.

I suspect there will be a lot more victims coming forward, given that The Miami Herald had previously reported in 2018 that “it had identified about 80 women who say they were molested or sexually abused by Epstein between 2001 and 2006″.

Below is an interview from the Today Show with Epstein victim Jennifer Araoz, who explains how an unnamed Epstein associate approached her in front of her school and began the process of grooming the young 14-year old for Epstein’s use. She also describes how he forcibly raped her. While the graphic detail is hard to hear, it’s instructive to see how the well-oiled machine of Epstein and Maxwell worked:

Also, the locals on Epstein’s Little St. James Island knew something was amiss but apparently kept any concerns to themselves:

“Everybody called it ‘Pedophile Island,’” St. Thomas boat operator Kevin Goodrich said of Epstein’s 75-acre Little St. James Island, about a mile southeast of St. Thomas.

“It’s our dark corner.”

Many of those hired to work on the island are bound by non-disclosure agreements, but one reported seeing a parade of barely legal girls there — though he and others kept their heads down, he said.

“When he was there, it was keep to yourself and do your thing,” the man said, noting Epstein would gift workers with old machinery and surplus lumber as well.

And while there is ongoing speculation that Epstein’s alleged fortune may not be exactly that, a judge has allowed Epstein to file his financial information under seal.

Finally, the NYPD didn’t have a problem with Epstein ignoring a judge’s order that required him to check in with them every 90 days:

Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein never once checked in with city cops in the eight-plus years since a Manhattan judge ordered him to do so every 90 days — and the NYPD says it’s fine with that.

After being labeled a worst-of-the-worst, Level 3 sex offender in 2011, Epstein should have reported in person to verify his address 34 times before he was arrested Saturday on federal child sex-trafficking charges.

Violating requirements of the state’s 1996 Sex Offender Registration Act — including checking in with law enforcement — is a felony punishable by up to four years in prison for a first offense.

Subsequent violations carry a sentence of up to seven years each.

But the NYPD hasn’t required the billionaire financier — who owns a $77 million Upper East Side townhouse — to check in since he registered as a sex offender in New York over the controversial 2008 plea bargain he struck in Florida amid allegations he sexually abused scores of underage girls in his Palm Beach mansion.

Public defender Eliza Orlins makes an observation: “I can’t tell you how many clients of mine have been arrested by the NYPD & prosecuted by Manhattan DA, Cy Vance for felony failure to register. They’re almost all poor people of color, who sometimes only missed registration because they changed shelters.”

Yet another mystery surrounding Epstein and Little St. James Island:

“The only unusual aspect of the main residence the former worker said he was aware of were the security boxes in two offices,” Bloomberg reports. “The level of secrecy around a steel safe in Epstein’s office, in particular, suggested it contained much more than just money, he said. Outside of an occasional visit by a housekeeper, no one was allowed in those rooms.”

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

84 Responses to “News Roundup: Jeffrey Epstein”

  1. How many people knew, how many people looked the other way?

    Dana (bb0678)

  2. the distinction, is the nypd was defending Weinstein’s victims,

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. I’d have to look that up but if so, famous A-list victims versus not-famous young girls.

    Dana (bb0678)

  4. What kind of sicko deviant do you have to be to sexually exploit young girls, the vast majority of whom probably are from bad home situations and might even be runaways? And to actually have a woman lurking near schools to recruit girls for this hobby is about as bad as it gets.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  5. 1.How many people knew, how many people looked the other way?

    If nothing else, a whole lot of law enforcement in the Virgin Islands: about the only way to get to the island would involve passing through Charlotte Amalie at some point in the transit, although a helicopter with enough range to get from Puerto Rico to St Thomas, or a yacht from anywhere else would work for small passenger loads. (Wikipedia says the island has a helipad, but does not mention a landing strip for airplanes.)

    kishnevi (496414)

  6. Two random thoughts:

    (1) All of the allegations concerned an early period — 2001 to 2006. Is there a statute of limitations issue, either on the civil or criminal side?

    (2) “Many of those hired to work on the island are bound by non-disclosure agreements, but one reported seeing a parade of barely legal girls there — though he and others kept their heads down, he said.”

    The idea that an NDA would protect someone disclosing a felony, assuming that such happened, is noxious. There should be a ruling that such a clause, to the extent it covers reporting criminal activity, is void as against public policy.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  7. Speaking to your point, kishnevi, there are reports that Epstein would have young girls flown into St. Thomas and then they would be ferried over to his island by boat:

    Epstein had a dedicated team of workers on the island who trafficked girls as young as 12 to his clients. Sarah Ransome, one of his alleged victims, said she tried to swim off the island only to be found by a search party that included Epstein and his cohort Ghislaine Maxwell. Ransome also said that they kept her passport so she couldn’t leave.

    Though the specifics of the visits are unclear, one former employee told Bloomberg that Epstein would fly young women into St. Thomas, whom he would then ferry over to his private island via a boat named “Lady Ghislaine.”

    Dana (bb0678)

  8. JVW (54fd0b) — 7/12/2019 @ 12:28 pm

    It’s not unprecedented.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hogarth-Harlot-1.png
    (Many real life Molls would have been what we call high school age.)

    kishnevi (496414)

  9. she tried to swim off the island only to be found by a search party that included Epstein and his cohort Ghislaine Maxwell

    Swimming a mile in the open ocean suggest more than a little desperation, and if she wasn’t already a good swimmer, more than a little danger.

    The idea that an NDA would protect someone disclosing a felony, assuming that such happened, is noxious

    Hosting teenage girls on one’s private property is not illegal per se, although I can’t say what the details of harboring runaways and contributing to the delinquency of a minor would cover or not cover. So any employees who did not see the sexual activity could cover their eyes and claim “see no evil”.

    kishnevi (496414)

  10. Two random thoughts:

    (1) All of the allegations concerned an early period — 2001 to 2006. Is there a statute of limitations issue, either on the civil or criminal side?

    The statue of limitations was removed before 2006. Not sure when, but it was during that time.

    (2) “Many of those hired to work on the island are bound by non-disclosure agreements, but one reported seeing a parade of barely legal girls there — though he and others kept their heads down, he said.”

    The idea that an NDA would protect someone disclosing a felony, assuming that such happened, is noxious. There should be a ruling that such a clause, to the extent it covers reporting criminal activity, is void as against public policy.’

    Yes, and while I’m sympathetic for poor people who have to make moral compromises in order to earn a living this is so far over the line it’s not worth talking about.

    I so want this thing blown wide open. Not talking about Trump/Clinton/Prince Andrew/Whoever. I think that’s going to come out.

    What I really I want are the people who cut this guy a break identified and their failures made public for all to see. If they didn’t follow the process I want them held accountable. To the extent they were following the process I want a better process.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  11. I’m guessing the girl who claimed that her passport was held hostage was at least 16 years old because according to U.S. Passport Service Guide, if she was 15 or younger, both parents (or the custodial parent) would need to consent to applying for the passport. With that, imagine the terror of having it withheld, and being held like a prisoner so far away from home.

    Dana (bb0678)

  12. it would be good to know, like ritter in ‘present danger’ or mueller in boston, protecting bulger, that’s not something some one does on their own,

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. My comment at 11 assumes that no sane parent would approve of their 15 year old or younger getting a passport. And for what reason??

    Dana (bb0678)

  14. Epstein had a dedicated team of workers on the island who trafficked girls as young as 12 to his clients. Sarah Ransome, one of his alleged victims, said she tried to swim off the island only to be found by a search party that included Epstein and his cohort Ghislaine Maxwell. Ransome also said that they kept her passport so she couldn’t leave.
    Though the specifics of the visits are unclear, one former employee told Bloomberg that Epstein would fly young women into St. Thomas, whom he would then ferry over to his private island via a boat named “Lady Ghislaine.”

    Add to the list of questions for Acosta

    “What steps did your investigators take to determine if any of the alleged victims were transported across state lines?”

    and

    “Knowing that Epstien had multiple alleged victims and residences in NYC, New Mexico and St. Thomas what steps did you take to coordinate with law enforcement in those areas?”

    Time123 (66d88c)

  15. 13.My comment at 11 assumes that no sane parent would approve of their 15 year old or younger getting a passport. And for what reason??

    Family vacations, for one thing.

    I’ve had a passport since I was 14 years old. The initial reason was a youth group trip to Israel that year.

    kishnevi (496414)

  16. Bored Lawyer (998177) — 7/12/2019 @ 12:31 pm

    (1) All of the allegations concerned an early period — 2001 to 2006. Is there a statute of limitations issue, either on the civil or criminal side?

    This is the opposite of a staute of limitations issue. There don’t seem to be any allegations past his guilty plea.

    [the reason there are no earlier ones probably is mostly a statute of limitations issue, because statutes were extended or abolished, although it could also be that they didn’t come up at the time. But I think it’s assumed this went back at least to the early 1990s. His official girlfriend, household manager and procurer was Ghislaine Noelle Maxwell, who was thirty years old around that time, unusually old for Jeffrey Epstein, who was about 40. She was one of the daughters of New York Daily News publisher Robert Maxwell, who probably committed suicide when he was about to lose control of the paper and everything else.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  17. Why nothing since 2009 or so? It could be that he stopped doing this, or it could be he found a way to do this in secret, perhaps in the Virgin Islands.

    A huge cache of pornorgraphy, a lot of it definitely within the definition of child pornography (pictures taken before the nude model was 18 years old qualify) was found at his home in New York City so perhaps he found a way to avoid contact with any actual live young girls.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  18. With that, imagine the terror of having it withheld, and being held like a prisoner so far away from home.

    Although, come to think of it, you wouldn’t need a passport to travel between St. Thomas and the US mainland. Unless Sarah Ransome was from Canada or another English speaking country. But I suppose Epstein told her otherwise.

    kishnevi (496414)

  19. Non-disclosure agreements don’t prevent anyone from complying with a subpoena. Thats as much as I know.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  20. bubba and dirty dershewitz are next.

    lany (d933a9)

  21. kishnevi,

    The point being, what did these girls tell their parents? Even if they kept everything involving Epstein a secret, surely they had to tell their parents something to be able to be away from home for any length of time. Sleeping over at a girlfriend’s house for how long?

    Dana (bb0678)

  22. I thought I had read that Ransome was not an American somewhere but since I can’t find anything, I am going to assume I was mistaken. I may be getting the victims mixed up.

    Dana (bb0678)

  23. Dana, do we know what cover story Epstein was using to explain their presence. Some of those girls may have been there with the parents knowing but thinking something entirely different was going on.
    And if the girls already had passports, they may have taken them out of a drawer and gone off into the sunset. I think it’s been established at least some of the girls were runaways?

    kishnevi (496414)

  24. Before and after:

    Courtney Wild, another survivor, said she met Epstein in 2002 when she was 14 and reportedly still had braces on her teeth. Like he did with many of the accusers, he first asked her to give him a massage in exchange for cash. Wild, who later helped recruit other girls for Epstein, said he liked girls who looked like her — white, very young, slender, and easy to manipulate.

    “He told me he wanted them as young as I could find them,” Wild told the Miami Herald in 2018. “If I had a girl to bring him at breakfast, lunch, and dinner, then that’s how many times I would go a day. He wanted as many girls as I could get him. It was never enough.”
    She said he preyed on girls who were homeless or otherwise vulnerable. “He went after girls who he thought no one would listen to and he was right,” she said. “As soon as [the original plea deal] was signed, they silenced my voice and the voices of all of Jeffrey Epstein’s other victims. This case is about justice, not just for us, but for other victims who aren’t Olympic stars or Hollywood stars.”

    Wild later developed a drug addiction and served time in prison on drug charges. “Before she met Epstein, Courtney Wild was captain of the cheerleading squad, first trumpet in the band, and an A-student at Lake Worth Middle School,” according to the Miami Herald. “After she met Epstein, she was a stripper, a drug addict, and an inmate at Gadsden Correctional Institution in Florida’s Panhandle.”

    Dana (bb0678)

  25. A few items that have come to light;

    Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s ex-girlfriend/pimp/facilitator, was a guest at the wedding of one Chelsea Clinton.

    Epstein has a funky temple of some sort on his island.

    The NYPD unit in charge on requiring Epstein’s monthly court-mandated appearances notified Vance’s office repeatedly of his habitual noncompliance. Vance did nothing. Having been in the business “professionally” in NY, the DA has to file the violation with the sentencing judge and notice to the defendant and his counsel to calendar it. Happens all the time in durg cases when a client takes a diversionary plea and pees dirty. NYPD or any police agency in NY really doesn’t have attorneys to deal with this, it’s the DA’s job. Typically you would then have a hearing at which the DA lay out the failure to comply with the conditions of the conditional release and sentence, and then would either demand a jail sentence or agree to something less than that. The defendant and counsel would be present and could explain themselves and promise to be a good boy to avoid jail. None of that happened here. And that is again on Vance.

    Bugg (024e40)

  26. Below is an interview from the Today Show with Epstein victim Jennifer Araoz, who explains how Epstein’s associate, British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell approached her in front of her school

    In the NEw York Post story, Jennifer Araoz doesn’t say it was Ghislaine Maxwell ,but “mystery brunette woman in her early 20s (as of 2001, thus giving her an age at least 15 years less than that of Ghislaine Maxwell. Rather, this sounds like someone wo had “aged out” from Jeffrey Epstein’s attentions.)

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/jeffrey-epsteins-latest-accuser-says-says-he-raped-her-at-15

    The online version of the story is somewhat different than waht I read on page 4 of the Thursday, July 11, 2019 editoin of the New York Post.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  27. Good catch, Sammy. I’ve corrected it accordingly.

    Dana (bb0678)

  28. This freak was a billionaire and could’ve found any number of girls – from around the world – of legal age. But he deliberately went after the underage ones. So where was the Palm Beach DA Kircher? According to the Police chief, he threw the case, because the was paid off or had some secret BroCrush on Epstein.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  29. Jeffrey Epstein’s reportin g of hsi location seems to have fallen between the cracks, and Jeffrey Epsteins; lawyeres knew just where the cracks were and how to create them.

    In New York they made some kind of change of address filing after the judge had rejected his claim he didn’t live in New York, and whatever it was, it was enough to hold them off.

    In New Mexico they got his inclusion in sex pffenders list, and the accompanying reporting requirement, revoked on the grounds that what he pleaded guilty to in Florida (procuring a person under the age of 18 for prostitution) was not a sex crime in New Mexico.

    Each state runs its registry separately. So they need to determine whether an out f state crime qualifies. The plea deal in Florida did not identify the girls. I think they said the one girl which which he pleaded guilty to was 17 years old – a crime in Florida, where the age of consent was 18, but not in New Mexico where the age of consent was 17.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/us/jeffrey-epstein-house-new-mexico.html

    Dermot F. Shea, the chief of detectives, said on Twitter that Mr. Epstein registered as a sex offender in 2010 as required by law. But before he was to start checking in with the Police Department’s sex offender monitoring unit every 90 days, Mr. Epstein changed his residence to his Virgin Islands estate.

    That’s from the end of the story.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  30. The material about New Mexico is earlier in the New York Times story:

    In making its determination, the New Mexico Department of Public Safety sent Mr. Epstein a letter in 2010 informing him it had received notification from Florida authorities that he was a convicted sex offender and that he had to register with the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office. Mr. Epstein went with his lawyer to the office, where he initially registered as a sex offender, and notified the authorities whenever he was traveling to New Mexico.

    Deborah Anaya, a former detective with the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office, made an unannounced visit to Mr. Epstein’s ranch that August. She interviewed him as part of the office’s determination of his sex offender status….Less than a month after Ms. Anaya questioned Mr. Epstein at his ranch, the New Mexico Department of Public Safety sent another letter informing him that he was not required to register as a sex offender with the state.

    The determination was made by a team within the state’s sex offender registry unit, which “translated” Mr. Epstein’s offense in Florida into New Mexico law, which has different age requirements for registration depending on the specific offense, said Herman Lovato, a spokesman for the public safety department. For the offense to which Mr. Epstein pleaded guilty, procuring a minor for prostitution, state law provides that registration is required when the victim is 16 or younger.

    “It was determined at that time that because the victim was not under the age of 16, Mr. Epstein does not have a registration requirement in New Mexico,” Mr. Lovato said.

    But the age of the victim associated with Mr. Epstein’s guilty plea remains murky. To begin with, dozens of girls as young as 13 told the police they had been sexually abused by him. Mr. Lovato said a Florida police report listed the age of the victim as 17. But the state attorney’s office there has said that the girl was 16, and The Miami Herald reported that the obfuscation of her age was deliberate.

    Michael B. Edmondson, a spokesman for the current state’s attorney in Palm Beach County in Florida, said he could not provide the age of the victim or any details of the crime to which Mr. Epstein pleaded guilty.

    Court records are also strangely silent as to the victim’s age. In the deal Mr. Epstein struck with federal and local prosecutors, he agreed to plead guilty to only one count involving a minor: procuring a person under the age of 18 for prostitution. He also pleaded guilty to solicitation. The indictment did not specify the age of the victim, and her name appears to be redacted. At the plea hearing, Judge Deborah Dale Pucillo did not go over the specific circumstances of the cases…

    The girl wasn’t even actually in fact 17, according to he Miami Herald, but having no information, the New Mexico authorities could not assume she was younger than 17.

    Maybe Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyers just claimed that she was 17.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  31. Public defender Eliza Orlins makes an observation: “I can’t tell you how many clients of mine have been arrested by the NYPD & prosecuted by Manhattan DA, Cy Vance for felony failure to register. They’re almost all poor people of color, who sometimes only missed registration because they changed shelters.”

    Can we be honest about this? The difference isn’t actually race, it’s affluence. People with the means to acquire representation, are better off than those who have to rely on the overworked staff of a public defender’s office. I suspect the NYPD didn’t bother, because Epstein’s attorneys would force the city to expend enormous resources to prosecute him; whereas a less affluent person would be much easier and cheaper to prosecute – more bang for the buck.

    Advocaat (33a09d)

  32. I’m wondering if Gislanine MAxwell really was that involved or involved at all in finding girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Another red herring?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  33. I’m guessing the girl who claimed that her passport was held hostage was at least 16 years old because according to U.S. Passport Service Guide, if she was 15 or younger, both parents (or the custodial parent) would need to consent to applying for the passport. With that, imagine the terror of having it withheld, and being held like a prisoner so far away from home.

    The US Virgin Islands do no require a passport for US citizens to go to the USVI, because it’s the US. The problem is leaving, where you may have to show proof of citizenship or birth to leave (raised-seal birth certificate and valid government-issued ID card such as a driver’s license).

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  34. Yes, Col. Klink. See 18 and 22.

    Dana (bb0678)

  35. I’ve added this to the post:

    Yet one more mystery surrounding Epstein and Little St. James Island:

    “The only unusual aspect of the main residence the former worker said he was aware of were the security boxes in two offices,” Bloomberg reports. “The level of secrecy around a steel safe in Epstein’s office, in particular, suggested it contained much more than just money, he said. Outside of an occasional visit by a housekeeper, no one was allowed in those rooms.”

    My mind immediately goes to photos/videos with names and dates. Big, important names.

    Dana (bb0678)

  36. 31. Advocaat (33a09d) — 7/12/2019 @ 1:59 pm

    I suspect the NYPD didn’t bother, because Epstein’s attorneys would force the city to expend enormous resources to prosecute him; whereas a less affluent person would be much easier and cheaper to prosecute – more bang for the buck.

    The New York Times seems to have the actual explanation (or half of one.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/us/jeffrey-epstein-house-new-mexico.html

    Dermot F. Shea, the chief of detectives, said on Twitter that Mr. Epstein registered as a sex offender in 2010 as required by law. But before he was to start checking in with the Police Department’s sex offender monitoring unit every 90 days, Mr. Epstein changed his residence to his Virgin Islands estate.

    I found the Twitter link:

    https://twitter.com/NYPDDetectives/status/1149326440812482562

    Chief Dermot F. Shea‏ @NYPDDetectives

    Facts matter: Epstein registered in New York State as required by law in 2010. BEFORE his legally mandated first check-in he changed his residence to the Virgin Islands requiring monitoring to take place in that jurisdiction, NOT in New York.

    7:35 AM – 11 Jul 2019

    Some people aren’t satisfied. How could he ignore what the judge said about how he could avoid the reporting requirement? Could he just change his state of residence, like that?

    Did the Virgin Islands know? Or care?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  37. A Florida judge ruled in February, 2019 that the team of Miami prosecutors led by
    Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims.

    Acostaaddressed this issue in his press conference Wednesday.

    His explanation (although delivered very flatly) was:

    At the time, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which sets policy for US Attorneys, (this is the same body that said that a sitting president cannot be indicted by the Justice Department) held that the federal law that said plea bargains must be disclosed to the victims did not apply to non-prosecution agreements, but only to cases where federal charges had already been filed.

    This can be challenged in court, said Acosta, and it was, and recently a federal judge ruled that the Office of Legal Counsel was wrong and the law did apply. But, at the time, that was the legal basis he was operating on.

    In the meantime, also, Congress changed the law to make clear that the law did apply to non prosecution agreements as well as where charges were already pending in court.

    Public opinion and public policy has gotten in favor of more transparency, Acosta indicated.

    That agve himpermissiopn.But why did he hide it tillthe very end? Acosta reasons for keeping the victims in the dark, were mainly (besides the unstated fact that this was what Epstein’s lawyers wanted!) that, in case Epstein did not follow through on his plea agreement, and it went to trial, the victims could not be cross examined about being told they could get money.

    It is for this reason sometimes lawyers advise victims not to file lawsuits util after the criminal case is over. This maybe also has changed anyway.

    And Acosta said this was different than most criminal cases as Acosta wanted to make sure that the victims known to him got money. Part of the plea arrangement was that Epstein would pay for legal fees of a lawyer hired by the victims who sued (on limited grounds) and that he would plead no contest to the allegations (and therefore only fight over the amount.)

    Paying the legal fees maybe meant that they could get lawyers more easily, and that their lawyers would have patience, and that they wouldn’t have to give away a portion of the settlement. Pleading no contest meant that the victims would not have to testify.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  38. Anotehr red gherring is thise business of Epstein being protected because he was an intelligence asset or soemthing. Nothing like this came up in the press conference. I listened to te video yesterday.,

    I did learn a few things – like that the plea deal was negotiated by careeer prosecutors.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  39. Nobody is clear where Jeffrey Epstein got his momney from,but itmay have started with a Ponzi scheme.

    Jeffrey Epstein got away with other things besides violating the law.

    He became a teacher at the Dalton school in the 1970s in spite of never having even graduated from college – which is unheard of.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  40. Dana, your memory is working well
    https://dailycaller.com/2017/05/16/jeffrey-epsteins-runaway-procurer/

    Another link says she lives in Barcelona now, and is one of the womem who claimed Epstein told them to have sex with Dershowitz
    https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article223315075.html

    Kishnevi (a962c4)

  41. Epstein told them to have sex with Dershowitz

    God, beyond vile.

    Dana (bb0678)

  42. If either Clinton is convicted of being a pedophile, do they keep their secret service?

    mg (8cbc69)

  43. ‘ whom he would then ferry over to his private island via a boat named “Lady Ghislaine.” ‘

    You must be careful in the way you pronounce m’lady’s name.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. Dershowitz says this whole thing about him personally taking advantage of something Jeffrey Epstein offered him is a lie, and that if anything had taken place in his presence he would have immediately quit (because, he doesn’t say, that would involve him in participation of a crime. An attorney is supposed to deal on;y with the past.)

    This woman has told some impossible tales involving Al Gore too.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alan-dershowitz-jeffrey-epsteins-former-lawyer-claims-to-have-proof-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-is-lying

    … “Did you ever see Mr. Epstein with underage girls?” CBS News’ Mola Lenghi asked Dershowitz at his New York City apartment.

    “No. Oh, no. If I had ever seen Jeffrey Epstein in any inappropriate situation with an underage girl, I would’ve terminated my relationship and turned him in. No way,” he said. “We were shocked by the allegations, but as a criminal lawyer, being shocked by an allegation doesn’t mean that I won’t defend somebody,” he said…..

    Dershowitz also addressed accusations from one of Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims Dershowitz was part of Epstein’s alleged sex trafficking operation. Dershowitz vehemently denies Giuffre’s allegations and says he has proof Guiffre is lying. Guiffre is suing him for defamation.

    “The same woman that accused me claimed to have had dinner with Bill Clinton and two underage girls on Jeffrey Epstein’s island, claimed to have met Al Gore and Tipper Gore. Secret Service records show that all of that is fantasy and made up. This is a woman with a long, long record of lying for money,” Dershowitz said.

    Overnight, Giuffre filed opposition papers disputing Dershowitz’s motion to dismiss her lawsuit. Her lawyers say Dershowitz is intentionally lying about Giuffre in an attempt to discredit her and “intimidate her into silence.”

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  45. “If either Clinton is convicted of being a pedophile, do they keep their secret service?”

    There’s a pizzagate aroma from the “either” here, but there doesn’t seem to be a mechanism for rescinding secret service coverage: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056

    It can be declined, though.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  46. There is an explanation offered by Clinton aide Joe Lockhart (I think) for the apparent contradiction between the Clinton statement and the Fix News reporting.

    It centers on the distinction between the words “flight” and “trip.”

    Bill Clinton took four multi-stop trips on Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane in 2002 and 2003. (Free of charge I guess and considered a contribution to the Clinton Foundation.)

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  47. In arguing for denial of bail, prosecutors have now also accused Epstein of witness tampering. They say late last year (2018) he wired $350,000 to two people who were close to him at the time when he was abusing girls.

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  48. . “The level of secrecy around a steel safe in Epstein’s office, in particular, suggested it contained much more than just money, he said

    Illegal pornography, like in New York.

    Any material to help him influence or pay off anybody would have been kept in his lawyer’s officers.

    But he needed ready access to his pornography,

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  49. Dana @27

    Good catch, Sammy. I’ve corrected it accordingly.

    Now it’s incoherent.

    who explains how an unnamed Epstein approached her in front of her school

    That should be ““mystery brunette woman in her early 20s (as of 2001)” if you take it from the New York Post story, or maybe just “unknown female associate of Epstein” or whatever it says there, if you take it from the TODAY show interview.

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  50. Sammy,

    I’ve gone with an unnamed Epstein associate.

    Dana (bb0678)

  51. I’m keeping it at that because there are different descriptions and this is fairly neutral.

    Dana (bb0678)

  52. @4/. WADR to the ‘victims’– this wasn’t a one way street. Enablers and all thay. Play with scum you’re going to get scummy. So, it was all ‘good’– until it went ‘bad.’ Personal responsibility and all that righty stuff. Once upon a time a first lady from the right side of the tracks liked to crow, ‘just say no.’ Seems to be missing from all this.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Over at Hot Air, Allahpundit is of the opinion that Epstein didn’t make his money in finance but by pimping underage girls to rich men and blackmailing them.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2019/07/12/report-theres-steel-safe-epsteins-pedophile-island-no-ones-allowed-enter-room-contains/

    He surmises that’s what’s in the secret safe on “Pedophile Island,” incriminating evidence, photos or videos, on prominent people.

    This story just keeps getting more and more sordid.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  54. DCSCA,

    You simply cannot be blaming the victims here, right? Because that would be outrageously obscene.

    Dana (bb0678)

  55. Watch! With Trump in the clear, the Epstein story will disappear from all the major media, with the possible exception of Fox, the Miami Herald, and maybe the New York Post, within three days. Just watch!

    nk (dbc370)

  56. Ok, 6th grader is too young even when the pedo is a woman and the child is a boy. https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-arizona-teacher-sentenced-to-20-years-in-prison-for-sex-with-student.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. >The idea that an NDA would protect someone disclosing a felony, assuming that such happened, is noxious. There should be a ruling that such a clause, to the extent it covers reporting criminal activity, is void as against public policy.

    I would support such a rule in general.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  58. @55. No, of course not– Epstein is scumbag- but at some point the ‘uh-oh’ light does flash; apparently, with some, it flashed too late.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Like he blamed hurricane Harvey victims, sure he does,

    Narciso (0bfcbe)

  60. It’s a crime in Florida.

    843.14 Compounding felony.—Whoever, having knowledge of the commission of an offense punishable with death or by imprisonment in the state prison, takes money or a gratuity or reward, or an engagement therefor, upon an agreement or understanding, expressed or implied, to compound or conceal such offense, or not to prosecute therefor, or not to give evidence thereof, shall when such offense of which he or she has knowledge is punishable with death or imprisonment in the state prison for life, be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084; and where the offense of which he or she so had knowledge was punishable in any other manner, he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. @56. LOL. Like breaking open a roll of new dimes on a carpet; lots of shiny objects to chase. Seems like we were just going to war with Iran over a drone loss.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. @61. There’s Sandy in your sandals, narcissy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. The rise of the plutocrats.

    Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. I was especially impressed when Reagan, not satisfied with taking his time machine and his Reaganomics back to the time of Chase, Drexel, Vanderbilt, Carnegie and Rockefeller, crossed the ocean and went farther back to the Rothschilds, the Medicis and the Doges of Venice.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. @66. Equally impressed with King’s Row. Had he been awarded a gold-plated Oscar for it [he deserved it] he’d never have left Hollywood.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. The reason we have so many rich jerkoffs being called billionaires these days is not because we have so many more richer jerkoffs. It’s because when John D. Rockefeller owned 3% of America’s GDP, the dollar was worth sixty-four (64) times as much as it is today, based on the gold standard, which is what John D, Rockefellers were based on, the gold standard. Our rich jerkoffs’ dollars are based on what other jerkoffs think a share of Amazon or Facebook is worth.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. To put it another way, an Epstein dollar is worth 1.5625 Rockefeller pennies. Think Zimbabwe.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. Well, the home my parents bought in 1960 for $11,000 (with help from a rich uncle and a 30 year mortgage) is now valued at $380,000. That almost 35-fold increase in nominal dollars.
    Oh, and the basement tends to flood in early spring when the thaw fills up the brook in back. Although that problem didn’t show up until the year before they sold the house, in 1969.

    Kishnevi (836963)

  69. Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. I really don’t know which is more depressing — that a rich man can continue to commit these crimes year after year, or that so many people blatantly look the other way, and even now are trying to cover their asses rather than finally do their jobs.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  71. The idea that an NDA would protect someone disclosing a felony, assuming that such happened, is noxious.

    Felony? They are lawyers to know what a felony is? All they know is that young-looking girls seemed to be frequent visitors. I doubt they carded any of them.

    Not to defend this, but an NDA with enough vicious clauses might deter anyone from crossing Epstein. Especially when he seems to have the system greased.

    Now, once you get someone on trial, the NDA is wastepaper, or should be. Still, the mob never needed NDAs to stop people from testifying.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  72. @72. Kevin, back in the day, when starting work in Hollywood business circles, there were two tales that were essentially axiomatic; shared in the first two weeks; inside baseball’ stuff in the biz, long before they became popular fodder across the land.

    #1– never stay at the local watering hole if Spacey shows up as he hits on male co-workers. And #2– don’t send female reps to Weinstein’s offices in LA unless they know the score- that is, he’d try to; he was a creep– and only guys go to his yacht party in Cannes.

    That was back when they were both at the top of their game. LA Confidential times.

    So for the sake of ‘business’… you work the problem. And work around it. After all, it’s the mighty buck that counts: ‘the business of America is business.’ – Calvin Coolidge.

    You know… Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Are they purging Epstein from Bill Clinton’s Wikipedia entry? I found this as part of one of the deletion edits.

    Clinton is a frequent flyer on the ”’Lolita Express”’, the private plane of registered sex offender [[Jeffrey Epstein]]. Clinton boarded the plane at least 26 times.

    Changes- Wikipedia

    Tanny O'Haley (8a06bc)

  74. Acosta resigns. Mission accomplished. Now, it’s suddenly an old story. I doubt even this blog will revisit it.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/12/trump-issues-jeffrey-epstein-challenge-press-find-/

    Munroe (0b2761)

  75. btw Epstein, started teaching at Dalton, after barr sr. retired as headmaster,

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. Dana @51. 52. But now you left out the fact that the associate was female.

    Sammy Finkelman (19c914)

  77. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqb59n69Z80&t=241s

    Dec 4, 2018

    Palm Beach, Florida – Derrick Broze interviews attorney Bradley Edwards, the lawyer representing the victims of Jeffrey Epstein’s victims, on what happens next to bring Jeffrey Epstein to justice

    (he was sued by Jeffrey Epstein then sued him back, Epstein settled.

    The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people that I wanted to talk to them he is the only person who picked up the phone and said let’s just talk I’ll give you as much time as you want I’ll tell you what you need to know and was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever but had good information that checked out and that helped us and that we didn’t have to take a deposition of him.

    – That was in 2009. He tried to chase down the story that Jeffrey Epstein was kicked out of Mar-a_Lago when he tried to pick up somebody;s daughter (which would have been done by a manager) but was never able to chase that down. Trump obviously didn’t claim that.

    So do you know if there’s any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked …

    I’ve definitely heard that. I don’t know that it was Trump himself as opposed to a manager there yeah Trump I’ve heard the rumor that Epstein was kicked out of there for allegedly trying to pick up somebody’s daughter or something like that but I think I did chase that down as far as I could and never was able to confirm it.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  78. Alan Dershowitz says he was the first lawyer Jeffrey Epstein came to. He told him a story that was diffrrent from what evetually came out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAX8uxgeA

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  79. 77. narciso (d1f714) — 7/13/2019 @ 3:47 pm

    btw Epstein, started teaching at Dalton, after barr sr. retired as headmaster

    The New York Times said it was unclear when he was hored.

    He was hired as math and physics teacher at the age of 21. Barr Sr lost his job because they didn’t like his dress and appearance code – which Jeffrey Epstein would surely not have fit – but he also, or the Dalton School in general, liked to hire people regardless of credentials.

    Jeffrey Epstein lost his job after ayear or two on the grounds he wasn’t high quality enough. He had side jobs in tutoring and got a job with a father of one of the boys he tutored. Maybe he got less interested in his job at Dalton.

    He was overly friendly with students – and gave the impression of flirting with the girls, but it never went further – nobody reports it did. But some were afraid to talk.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  80. https://www.newser.com/story/277830/prosecutors-say-they-found-odd-passport-in-epsteins-safe.html

    Prosecutors say that in Epstein’s home safe they found an expired foreign passport from the 1980s bearing Epstein’s photo but another person’s name and giving his address as one in Saudi Arabia, reports the AP. The safe also held “piles of cash” and “dozens of diamonds.

    Q. What country was that passport from?

    There’s probably a story behind it. He might have needed that to get into Saudi Arabia. He probably could use his own name.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  81. Or did he pretend to be a Saudi? And travel where?? Was he a member of the royal family?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  82. he was handling their sameh, that would be the best bet, the passport was issued in the 80s, why would you keep something that would have expired twenty five-thirty years ago,

    narciso (d1f714)


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