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7/3/2019

But Of Course: Democratic Candidates Begin To Weigh In On Betsy Ross Flag Kerfuffle

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:26 am



[guest post by Dana]

I only hope the rest of the pack follows the lead of these bold candidates. Oh come on, you knew the Betsy Ross “controversy” would make it to the Woke Olympics. Especially after the Democratic candidates have already settled the debate about the earth’s slow demise (12 years, people!), abortion up to the point of birth and no care for babies if they brazenly survive the sharp blade (It’s my body, not theirs!), and busing 2019 (Make Busing Great Again!).

Via Twitchy: from Beto O’Rourke:

“I think its really important to take into account the impression that kind of symbol would have for many of our fellow Americans, respect the decision Nike made and grateful for the conversation [that it is provoking]

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And from Julian Castro:

I was glad to see Nike pull the Nike Betsy Ross American flag shoes.

“There are a lot of things in our history that are still very painful. The Confederate flag that still flies in some places and is used as a symbol…”

I’ll be checking throughout the day to see if any of the other candidates will courageously voice their disdain for the Betsy Ross flag. America needs to hear from them! I’m sure Joe Biden is preparing his comments as we speak:

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What were all these candidates doing in 2013 anyway??

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

46 Responses to “But Of Course: Democratic Candidates Begin To Weigh In On Betsy Ross Flag Kerfuffle”

  1. It’s amusing to see the Democratic candidates’ desperate efforts to out-woke their competitors and be the one to move the margin farther left. It’s a good distraction from the nuttiness that is Trump.

    Dana (bb0678)

  2. For all those wearing the flag Zubaz pants at Trump’s “sell-a-bration”.

    Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words “flag, standard, colors, or ensign”, as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  3. My God, these things just write themselves. And they really shouldn’t. But hey, Dems just keep on giving us so much to work with…

    Dana (bb0678)

  4. The problem is that there is little pushback from the other side. Nike knows its sales will not be hurt by what it did, so it gives in to the crazies.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  5. What’s interesting is that the Dems are sliding from “this is a symbol co-opted by white supremacists” (Beto) to “this is a painful symbol.”(Castro).

    Beto’s argument is defensible, if problematic. Castro’s is just lame.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  6. Memo to Ben Jacobs:

    Yes, Bennie, ‘extreme white nationalist groups’ certainly can ruin ‘symbols’ of a good thing. Once upon a time there was a simple geometric design from ancient cultures signifying religious spirituality and even good luck: it is called a swastika.

    Apollo 11 can be sullied by today’s culture wars, too; abortion was a crew option matter.

    Have at it, kids. Happy July 4.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. If milkshakes were the tool of the alt-right, McDonalds would drop them from their menu.

    Munroe (1bc8c3)

  8. And still Obama is silent. No response to Joe’s creepy friend bracelet. No response to his candidacy. No response to the molest issue.

    Michelle is coming …

    Patricia (1bd43f)

  9. Beto speaks nonsense and Castro conflates the Betsy Ross flag with the Confederate battle flag.

    What the hell is wrong with you Texans?

    (Kidding, kidding!)

    JVW (54fd0b)

  10. For all those wearing the flag Zubaz pants at Trump’s “sell-a-bration”.

    The Stars & Stripes: burn it anytime you like, but don’t you dare put it on a T-shirt and then sell or give away said shirt.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  11. I was puzzled by the use of the 21 star flags for Obama’s inaugural, so I went looking. Turns out Illinois was the 21st state, so that’s how the flag looked once it became a state.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  12. In fact, most of the street vendors would be out of business if that was actually enforced.
    And the Smithsonian museums would lose some very lucrative lines of merchandise….

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  13. Castro may not have been confused so much as performing evasive maneuvering.
    Continuation of the quote that starts in that Tweet

    “The Confederate flag that still flies in some places and is used as a symbol, and I believe that we need to move toward an inclusive America that understands that pain, that doesn’t wipe it away from history in the sense that still belongs in a museum or we need to read about it and understand the significance because that’s how you learn and make sure that we don’t make the same mistakes in the future, but does not glorify it, does not celebrated it,” he continued.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  14. Interesting how quickly you can cut through the BS being served by the shovel on the msm by checking with sources on Twitter.

    They really are seeking to erase history.

    harkin (58d012)

  15. It is an all-out effort to permanently redefine symbols in the public square. Once successful, anything becomes a target.

    Dana (bb0678)

  16. Amazon sells Betsy Ross flags too.

    Dana (bb0678)

  17. They really are seeking to erase history.

    Some of it is counter-erasing. Remember most of those Confederate monuments were erected in the cause of implanting a fake history–the Glorious Cause–for the real history.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  18. RIP – Arte Johnson

    harkin (58d012)

  19. Many who see some as ‘counter-erasing’ will offer the same arguments for Jefferson, Washington, Madison etc.

    harkin (58d012)

  20. The Founders were a bunch of racist sexist mostly affluent property owners seeking to establish and defend a political order that protected their own interests.

    The Founders were a group of men with (for then) radical ideals seeking to establish and defend a political order that could successfully evolve into a social order that protected the interests of everyone.

    Both statements are true, and if you want to accurately present American history, you have to acknowledge both.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  21. Maybe the alt-right should appropriate the Nike swoosh.

    kaf (c408bb)

  22. @18. That’s verrrry in-ter-esting.

    But sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. I know he draws the short straw at the journalist, but could he be a little less stupid,

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/03/flint-water-contract-rescind/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. left has joined the right in zero tolerance. remember book none dare call it treason? fun democrats= communists and will be trated as such! not so much fun conservatives=nazis and will be treated as such. what goes around comes around.

    lany (635830)

  25. @21. Speaking of ‘Nike swoosh,’ in all candor, those sneakers do look a little gay.

    “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.” – Jerry Seinfeld

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. you can’t fault beto, he actually lost support from his debate performance, when you answer a question in Spanish, it’s important that the answer has some relation, mash notes from time and vanity fair don’t mean anything,

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. @ JVW (#9): Beto is from El Paso, and — having made the drive several times, I can confirm from first-hand knowledge — El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than it is to Houston. It’s in the Mountain time zone, for instance. In many ways it resembles Albuquerque a whole lot more than it does Houston, Dallas, or even San Antonio.

    It is definitely one of the few Texas cities in which I absolutely, positively prefer to hire local counsel, rather than run the local bench’s and bar’s gauntlet for “unattended” out-of-town lawyers (i.e., those who aren’t hiring local counsel and thereby contributing to the local economy). And God forbid that a Dallas lawyer should try to represent a client in El Paso without local counsel (although that’s true for Dallas lawyers pretty much state-wide, the very term “Dallas lawyer” having the unsavory connotation that elsewhere is ascribed to a “Philadelphia lawyer” or a “Wall Street lawyer”).

    Even among border towns, which tend to be, umm, colorful, El Paso stands alone. I think Beto is actually quite representative of El Paso, but that correspondingly means he’s really not very representative of Texas as a whole, nor many of its other constituent parts.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  28. (I also prefer to hire local counsel for significant matters in Beaumont, Galveston, and anywhere in the Rio Grande Valley. Almost everywhere else, including very rural areas, as a country boy moved to Houston, I usually can get along without a local chaperone.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  29. ‘Flag on the play.’

    Coulda been a sweet ad campaign.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. I have a running joke with a retired El Paso attorney/judge that El Paso isn’t part of Texas, either in its time zone or in its politics/culture, and nver has been. Our debate was always over whether El Paso is more a part of Mexico or New Mexico.

    DRJ (15874d)

  31. I dont think it was the BLMers that got into Kaepernick’s head so much as the the sneaker collectors….whatever batch go squeezed out will fetch plenty. In a weird way, better this than the Betsy Ross’ becoming the new Nike Cortez.

    urbanleftbehind (ca47f5)

  32. DRJ, do you and your El Paso friend always take the same side as to whether El Paso belongs to Texas, Mexico, or New Mexico? My impression has always been that the local powers-that-be in El Paso County and its environs are quite happy to keep a foot in all three camps, for situational use as needed. But yes, it’s a topic that many of them are quite cheerful in addressing.

    I also ought to have mentioned that I generally like and respect the El Paso lawyers I’ve worked with over the years. Many of them are very talented, with sophisticated local practices, often including international law aspects of course.

    And they’re very frank about the services they offer as local counsel: They’d be essential for jury selection assistance, of course, for the rare case that goes to a jury trial. But they also will come right out and say, “My firm isn’t into influence-peddling, but if you hire us, you can be sure that we’ll neutralize the other side, which assuredly is into that stuff.” (There’s a kind of a Zen magic quality to that assertion, I think. I’ve heard it in Beaumont and the Valley too, always uttered with complete sincerity.)

    But unique to El Paso is this pitch: “You hire us for that emergency hearing that the other side is confident you can’t get to in time, from way off yonder in Houston [or wherever you are in the rest of Texas].” And they’re right.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  33. @32. There’s probably something to that; like those ‘Breaking Bad’ action figures that got pulled from shelves a few years back.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. People on the Center-right always engage in this sort of “Aren’t those leftists funny! Why, look at what hypocrites they are”. Well guess what? They don’t care. They’ve never cared. The American Spectator under Bob Tyrell used to laugh at all those wacky Leftists and their anti-Americanism, feminism and Gay and Abortion rights activism in the 1970s and 1980s. And now their “wacky” ideas are the law of the land, and disagreeing with them -too strongly or too publicly – will get you fired from your job.

    Basically, what we have is Democrat Mainstream candidates calling the American flag racist and a slave owners flag that should be not seen in public. How long before the entire MSM is saying this. And then how long before every RINO is saying it. And then it becomes “Hate” to say different.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  35. Of course, all the while the Left is pushing the country leftward, you have the usual suspects saying “Hey, its nothing” “Stop being hysterical” Why [insert current left-wing position: open borders, gay marriage, legal MJ, Gov’t paid abortions, etc} will never become the law? Ha ha. Its just a few radicals. Not representative. And no Democrat supports it. Show me the specific wording where they explicitly say its OK and they agree.

    We’ve been down this road a million times.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  36. Because they see 1984, not as a cautionary tale bit as a how to manual,

    Narciso (d68160)

  37. My best friend and my wife are from El Paso, and I spend a lot of time there, and I agree with what’s been said: it is an idiosyncratic place. Very similar to Albuquerque in many ways – better in many ways, too: lower cost of living, less violent, good cultural scene.

    Leviticus (2da748)

  38. El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than it is to Houston

    I found this so surprising that I checked.

    Actually El Paso *is* closer to San Diego (724 miles) than to Houston (747 miles), but it is a bit farther from Los Angeles (801 miles).

    I flew into El Paso once, almost 20 years ago, on my way to the nuclear waste dump at Carlsbad, NM, but I don’t remember anything about the city (I rented a car at the airport and got right on the freeway).

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. Dave, I think you’re correct (#39); I was recalling the El Paso to San Diego trip, not El Paso to LA. Good catch; I stand corrected.

    Beldar (fa637a)


  40. MSNBC
    @MSNBC
    · Jul 2
    Tanks were seen arriving in Washington on Tuesday ahead of President Trump’s Fourth of July celebration.
    __ _

    Laurence Tribe
    @tribelaw
    The resemblance to days before Tiananmen Square is chilling.
    __ _

    Joseph E. Parker Jr.
    @JoeParker1983
    I wonder if he thinks jet flyovers at sports events are like Hiroshima.

    _

    harkin (58d012)

  41. Given Trump’s much quoted attitude to Tiananmen Square, Tribe’s tweet is not quite as irrational as Mr Parker suggests. [Overblown, yes.]

    Kishnevi (17be14)

  42. He never got ‘the one of these things are not like the other’ the leading liberal legal scholar thirty years ago, how did Ginsberg put it in howl?

    Narciso (d68160)

  43. For a Tiananmen Square, you’ve got to have demonstrators. Where are the demonstrators?

    Sammy Finkelman (845007)

  44. Second Lady Pence is wearing ‘flag’ attire t the Lincoln Memorial??? A ‘scarf flag’ of some sort?!?!

    Flag Code violation!!!

    For shame!

    Arrest her. Now!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. El paso is a large distance from Houston. If DC was actually ruled by People with a sense of fairness and looking out for the good of the country, we would’ve split Texas and California into two states each about 60-70 years ago.

    rcocean (1a839e)


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