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6/18/2019

Today’s Outrage: Ocasio-Cortez Labels ICE Detention Centers “Concentration Camps”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:24 pm



[guest post by Dana]

I guess it all depends on your definition of “concentration camps”and whether usage of the phrase “Never again” has a soberingly significant meaning:

“The United States is running concentration camps on our southern border, and that is exactly what they are. They are concentration camps,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“I want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity that ‘Never Again’ means something,” Ocasio-Cortez continued, referencing the slogan adopted after the Holocaust. “The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the home of the free is extraordinarily disturbing and we need to do something about it.”

“This is a crisis on if American will remain America … Or if we are losing to an authoritarian and fascist presidency,” Ocasio-Cortez said, referring to President Trump. “I don’t use those words lightly. I don’t use those words to just throw bombs. I use that word because that is what an administration that creates concentration camps is.”

The blowback to Ocasio-Cortez’s claim was swift:

”Please @AOC do us all a favor and spend just a few minutes learning some actual history. 6 million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust​,” wrote Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming on Twitter. “You demean their memory and disgrace yourself with comments like this.​”

Rep. Lee Zeldin called for Ocasio-Cortez to “stop trying to draw these crayon parallels between POTUS & Hitler!”

“Try working WITH your colleagues on BOTH sides of the aisle to secure our border & fix this rather than desperately trying to promote mass hysteria w this disgusting & woefully false comparison,” the Long Island Republican said on Twitter.

Ocasio-Cortez shot back at Cheney:

”Hey Rep. Cheney, since you’re so eager to ‘educate me,’ I’m curious: What do YOU call building mass camps of people being detained without a trial?” the first-term lawmaker said. “How would you dress up DHS’s mass separation of thousands children at the border from their parents?”

Today, Ocasio-Cortez pointed to University of Virginia lecturer, Waitman Wade Beorn, to justify her use of “concentration camps”:

“Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz. Concentration camps in general have always been designed – at the most basic level – to separate one group of people from another group,” the report quoted Waitman Wade Beorn as saying. “Usually, because the majority group, or the creators of the camp, deem the people they’re putting in it to be dangerous or undesirable in some way.”

This:

The Trump administration doesn’t call then concentration camps for the same reasons the Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations didn’t — they’re not concentration camps. With thousands of people flooding across the border, the US and Mexico both have to set up facilities to house them while their status gets adjudicated. Their presence in those facilities are necessarily temporary and ends when their cases are finally decided, at which point they’re either admitted or sent out of the country.

The term “concentration camps” is more accurately used for facilities meant for ethnic-cleansing purposes rather than control of immigrants and refugees. This is not a situation in which citizens and residents of a country are being relocated en masse into detention facilities, as happened to the Japanese by FDR in World War II, where the term applies even with its historical baggage. It’s certainly not the situation created by actual fascists in the 1930s and 1940s to isolate, enslave, and then exterminate ethnic minorities within their own citizen populations, intended as a permanent policy. That ethnic cleansing from an existing population is precisely what the term “concentration” connotes, in fact. Regardless of whether a handful of historians use the term to engage in histrionics, the two situations aren’t equal, analogous, or even exist in any connectable context.

Anyway, I’m just glad to see that next week, our elected officials will have an opportunity to actually help ease the suffering in our “concentration camps”:

Trump administration officials have repeatedly urged Congress to provide more funding for the provision of shelter and medical care to the migrants, but the requests have gone largely unanswered due to partisan infighting over how much will be spent on enforcement verses humanitarian aid.

Majority leader Mitch McConnell announced Monday that he plans to hold a vote next week on legislation that would provide $4.5 billion in additional funding to address the situation at the border.

“I’m going to bring it up freestanding next week and see if they really aren’t interested in dealing with this mass of humanity that we have to take care of at the border,” McConnell said in an interview with Fox News. “What’s the objection? This is not about the wall but about the humanitarian crisis.”

Of course, there is no level of care or accommodation for detainees that would make the practice of detention acceptable to Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

124 Responses to “Today’s Outrage: Ocasio-Cortez Labels ICE Detention Centers “Concentration Camps””

  1. I notice she won’t clarify that Fort Sill was also used by Barack Obama to house detainees.

    Dana (bb0678)

  2. AOC wants conservatives to hate her guts. It’s her brand, and it’s probably going to be a very lucrative one. But still, Liz Cheney is quite right. It’s very disrespectful to compare every political disagreement with Hitler putting Jews into death camps, which is what AOC was actually doing whether she wants to be literal after the fact.

    Democrats hope for votes in a generation. It’s not really a secret. This means they are selling out our future for the most cynical reasons. But the root issue is that life is hell in Mexico and other countries in the USA’s neck of the woods. We need to address the root issue. If Mexico were a lawful nation with economic opportunities, it would be really good for the USA. Maybe we shouldn’t have worried as much about regime change in the Middle East as in Mexico. If the cartel runs most of the geography, as that one recent study claimed, then is Mexico even an actual political state?

    Dustin (0cc25e)

  3. This just isn’t hard: If AOC never intended, or never meant to reference or associate her comments to the Holocaust in any way, she wouldn’t have used the phrase “Never again”. She knows it. And she knows we know it. But it’s ginned up the anger and indignation she needs to generate on a regular basis to keep the attention on immigration herself.

    Dana (bb0678)

  4. Dana, it’s just a mirror version of Trump. He knows he’s being absurd, but it upsets his critics, and his supporters recognize much of it’s irrational but it feels good to see your opponents upset.

    The only problem is that this political strategy is actually working, and therefore we’re seeing AOC emulate Trump, and that will only keep going until we’re living in Idiocracy.

    Dustin (0cc25e)

  5. This is modern politics: outrage, reflexive reactions, accusations without foundation (just throw them out and see what sticks), and focus on ginning up so many emotions that debate and discussion charmingly antiquated notions.

    Dana (bb0678)

  6. And the media pushes harder than almost anyone with the outrageous and hysterical:

    Who do you think will end up on the right side of history: those cheering on the concentration of tens of thousands of desperate migrants in camps with communicable diseases and contemptuous neglect, or those shouting loudly that this is terrible?

    Exactly who is cheering on the concentration of tens of thousands of desperate migrants? Let’s be specific, let’s present a source for this claim, let’s name names. Otherwise you’re just an hysterical little girl desperate for attention from the popular crowd as you self-righteously pound your chest.

    Tip for dimwits like Hayes: It is both possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time (I keep having to make this point): You can shout that the conditions of the detention facilities are horrible and must change as well as support efforts to follow (as best as possible) the laws on the books until such time as they are amended.

    Dana (bb0678)

  7. Guess they just call ’em “reservations” there in Wyoming, eh, Liz?!? She’s such a boob: should learn some ‘history’ from her daddy; when told 2 out of 3 American thought the Iraq was wrong, he just said: “So?” AOC’s a real peach: she knows how to push the buttons on the Right. Do hope she has a few pair of flag panties to wear and flash to the cameras on July 4 and really set off some fireworks. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. ^Iraq war

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. AOC wants conservatives to hate her guts. It’s her brand, and it’s probably going to be a very lucrative one.

    That’s why I hold that we should continue to have a soft spot in our heart for our lovable yet increasingly daffy niece. When she grows up she may just learn that it can’t always be lollipops and sugarplums, even if you got a gold star for neatly putting all your crayons back in the box when coloring time was over.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  10. Do hope she has a few pair of flag panties to wear and flash to the cameras on July 4 and really set off some fireworks.

    That is so, so, so objectifyingly sexist, that I just can’t.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  11. @10. See. It’ll work.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. The illegals can camp without concentrating all they want on the other side of the border.

    Alexandria Occasional Cortex: Because the Universe requires a counterbalance to Einstein.

    And Greenwich Village girls don’t wear panties. Too many opportunities to be missed in the time it takes to take them off.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. Who do you think will end up on the right side of history: those cheering on the concentration of tens of thousands of desperate migrants in camps with communicable diseases and contemptuous neglect, or those shouting loudly that this is terrible?

    How does Chris Hayes suppose history will evaluate the Americans who are encouraging desperate migrants to make a dangerous journey with very little chance of success solely to embarrass an administration that they hate?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  14. My delightfully cute but hopelessly dizzy niece was not put on this Earth for your gross ogling, DCSCA.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  15. @14. Scraping potato salad and baked beans off a beflagged paper plate doesn’t carry quite the same pizazz. ‘Course, you could hope for a flashy pair from Pelosi but then would likely put the enture nation off their burgers and beer. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. — You know, Fraulein Shtuppenleiter, in Caracas they call you Concentration Camp Cortez.
    — That’s because we do the concentrating and the Venezuelans do the camping.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. Careful Dana, I merely referenced AOC’s inane concentration camp statement in one comment here today and was accused of “stalking” her. That the minds of her apologists are triggered by merely quoting her says a lot.

    And note to the triggered mob, she’s not just ‘pushing buttons’, she also pushed thousands of jobs and millions in tax revenue out of her own district. Then she actually proposed a plan on how to spend the canceled project’s tax incentives.

    She’s like a walking, talking ad for second-guessing the Democrats.

    harkin (e5c973)

  18. Rally observations… ‘ya know, Pence really does look like “Race Bannon”; the flat, two dimensional cartoon character from Jonny Quest.

    BTW, freely cop to ogling First Lady Melania, particularly when boarding AF1, and who, like Sid Caesar and Edie Adams in ‘It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World’ most decidely ‘fell into yellow’ tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Careful Dana, I merely referenced AOC’s inane concentration camp statement in one comment here today and was accused of “stalking” her. That the minds of her apologists are triggered by merely quoting her says a lot.

    harkin, I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Dana (bb0678)

  20. Dana

    http://patterico.com/2019/06/18/re-election-campaign-launches-with-president-trump-announcing-millions-of-illegals-will-be-removed/

    See comments 2 and 4.

    It wasn’t a serious warning, just pointing out that AOC’s defenders are oftentimes as ridiculous as she is.

    harkin (e5c973)

  21. I’m sure some of you know this already. I’d place a large wager that AOC does not. But:

    There had been similar steps taken by combating nations in earlier wars going back before recorded history, but “concentration camps,” called such, were invented by the British in the Boer War in 1900-1902 as part of its “scorched earth” policy to deny means of resistance to the Boers.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  22. Speaking of Boers, you could probably scare the Congressional Black Caucus into suporting an asylum shutdown by saying “think ahead to the next couple years – you want the precedent for not letting racist white South Africans in (fleeing from repression and land dispossession from the black majority)”.

    urbanleftbehind (18d1a3)

  23. Just don’t see JoeyBee or any of the other 23 weenies generating antyting close to the kind of entertaining and enthusiastic rally like this.

    People are having fun; even Little Marco and Lindsey are there in Orlando, all smiles, kissing Trump tail.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. If those migrant caravans only knew they were destined for concentration camps they’d turn tail and head home. It’s this sort of helpful heads up that the Jews lacked.

    Munroe (0ba171)

  25. Well there were reconcentratio camps under valeriano weyler, one of his soldiers was a fellow named angel castro.

    Narciso (24ef0e)

  26. “That the minds of her apologists are triggered by merely quoting her says a lot.”

    In the second post of a thread about Trump. I just find the right wing reactions to her hilarious.

    1. “She’s so dumb” – My dude have you seen who the president is?
    2. “I hate her but she’s kinda hot” – Nobody cares that she makes your peepee hard.

    (you in these comments is a general “you” and not specifically any particular poster.)

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  27. 26. Well, if you don’t think she’s hot, and you don’t think she’s dumb, what is it about her that thrills you? Serious policy proposals? *SNORT*

    Gryph (08c844)

  28. She’s Leslie Van Houten circa 1969 hot.

    Munroe (ea46a3)

  29. Hello America – I’m an illegal alien. I’ve walked into your country – in defiance of your laws. Maybe I’ll stay. Maybe, I’ll go on welfare. Maybe, I’ll commit a few crimes. I haven’t decided yet. But I don’t care. I spit on your immigration laws.

    Ice: Sorry, you can’t do that. This is country not a geographical express. We’ll have to put you behind a barbed Wire, before we decide what we can do with you.

    AOC: Concentration camps! Its the Holocaust all over again!

    MSM: Yeah, that’s pretty reasonable.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  30. Someone needs to ask Biden and all the Dems. IF 20 million Nigerians wanted to come here – legally or illegally -what would you say?

    Watch them Tapdance! Because Biden and the Dems REALLY want to say “Come on in. We don’t care if you destroy America or Improve America. Just come on in and vote Democrat. The Border is Open”,

    rcocean (1a839e)

  31. I’m glad she’s there to pull the centrist corporate Democrats to the left, and, of course, for the reactions to her in the conservative media sphere.

    She’s a single rep, in a divided congress. Her policy proposals are largely irrelevant. I certainly prefer her to Liz Cheney, whose shtick is apparently to be in a permanent state of pearl clutching.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  32. You don’t have to speak English. you don’t have to work. Have a disease? We’ll cure it. Just come on in. As long you drive down wages and vote D – its A-0K. After all, we Liberal Bourgeois are doing quite well. And you’re not going to move into OUR neighborhoods. Have you seen the housing prices. And we’re mostly in insulated professions – or wealthy – so you’re not going to drive down OUR salaries.

    So come on in, illegals from all over the world. We’re looking forward to the day when all the USA is just – politically at least – like Manhattan or the Bronx.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  33. Beldar,

    I was indeed aware of that when I posted. However, in modern history and certainly in our lifetimes, when one hears “concentration camp” referenced, one automatically associates it with what happened during the Holocaust. She knew what she meant, and the number of people asserting that she could’ve been referring to the British and the Boer War are doing contortions for the sake of partisanship, and frankly, look like idiots for doing so.

    Dana (bb0678)

  34. If you don’t like that picture of America – you need an exit plan. Because the Democrats are NOT going to become patriotic. The Liberal Bourgeois will NEVER wake up till its too late – they see EVERYTHING on a personal basis. Wake Up. No one cares about America. Its everyone man – and ethnic group for themselves. Plan accordingly. Just advice from old uncle RC.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  35. The blowback to Ocasio-Cortez’s claim was swift

    I think you meant to write:

    “Republicans were quick to pounce…”

    Sheesh, get with the narrative!

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. Of course, there is no level of care or accommodation for detainees that would make the practice of detention acceptable to Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters.

    Aw, Dana. Really? You can’t imagine that people might be sincerely interested in better treatment for detainees than what we’re currently doing to them?

    Straw-manning the opposing view to “open borders” is gross oversimplification. I don’t think that’s helpful.

    TR (2c5752)

  37. Dangit, Dave, you’re right!

    Dana (bb0678)

  38. Careful Dana, I merely referenced AOC’s inane concentration camp statement in one comment here today and was accused of “stalking” her. That the minds of her apologists are triggered by merely quoting her says a lot.

    And note to the triggered mob, she’s not just ‘pushing buttons’, she also pushed thousands of jobs and millions in tax revenue out of her own district. Then she actually proposed a plan on how to spend the canceled project’s tax incentives.

    She’s like a walking, talking ad for second-guessing the Democrats.

    harkin (e5c973) — 6/18/2019 @ 5:07 pm

    I think the problem is that any time there’s criticism about Trump, there will immediately be off topic links and often a lot of copypasta about rascally democrats. After a while it’s so predictable. You did sorta relate AOC’s comments to Trump being better at twitter, and both of them are talking about immigration, but you didn’t add any of your thoughts to your comment. You just copied and pasted something critical of a democrat without any effort.

    Why not write your own comments, related directly to the topic of the post you’re commenting on? Trump’s re-election campaign is a good opportunity for his fans to talk about why we should support him, and what he might be able to do. Keyword Ginsburg.

    Next time there’s a post about Trump, watch for how many of his supporters just start pasting stuff they didn’t write, critical of democrats.

    Dustin (0cc25e)

  39. Also, when we are talking “concentration camps,” during whatever period of time, were the detainees allowed to return home as they currently are allowed to do in today’s “concentration camps” at the border?

    Dana (bb0678)

  40. Has repatriation been available to all “concentration camp” detainees??? Has it been encouraged???

    Dana (bb0678)

  41. I’m glad she’s there to pull the centrist corporate Democrats to the left, and, of course, for the reactions to her in the conservative media sphere.

    Yeah, I’ll bet she has Jeff Bezos saying to himself, “Gee, maybe Democratic Socialism isn’t that bad after all.” Sorry, but all she’s doing is revving up the motors all the people who think she’s the leftist Margaret Thatcher. Though I would love to see her drive a few more tens of thousands of jobs out of her district. It might be the only way they learn their lesson (hello Venezuela, we see you there).

    JVW (54fd0b)

  42. I remember hearing my grandfather tell me stories about the outbreak of World War II, and how the call to service of hundreds of thousands of men overwhelmed the existing army, navy, and marine corps infrastructure, necessitating the construction of fenced-in areas surrounded by barbed-wire, protected by armed guards who didn’t allow residents to come and go, with dorm-like sleeping arrangements, communal showers, a large mess hall, an on-site hospital facility, etc. — you know, what AOC would call a concentration camp.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  43. “Why not write your own comments, related directly to the topic of the post you’re commenting on? Trump’s re-election campaign is a good opportunity for his fans to talk about why we should support him, and what he might be able to do.”

    Why not I just post what I wish to post and you do likewise? I’ve added plenty of my views here but I also like to copy paste things I see on the interwebs which I feel speak for themselves.

    And pointing out (either directly or indirectly) that Trump is not the unprecedented disaster (much less Hitler v 2.0) that many cast him as does not necessarily make me a fan. Same as standing and smiling at a Native American pounding a drum in your face does not make you a smug racist villain.

    harkin (e5c973)

  44. I remember hearing my grandfather tell me stories about the outbreak of World War II“

    My dad told me the story of his father (who fought in France in WW1, was wounded, MIA behind enemy lines and presumed killed or captured) on Dec 8, 1941 seeking to re-enlist in the Army and being told he was too old. He was so bent that he refused to ever discuss it.

    harkin (e5c973)

  45. Women in the last year are taking a beating from the sisters of hate in the democrat party. Why would any smart man hire a potential hazardous material like Cortez?

    mg (8cbc69)

  46. “Yeah, I’ll bet she has Jeff Bezos saying to himself, “Gee, maybe Democratic Socialism isn’t that bad after all.”

    If Bezos’ opinion can be swayed by people saying mean things about him, he’d be a communist after all of Trump’s tweets. The entire HQ2 thing was theater from start to finish.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  47. The entire HQ2 thing was theater from start to finish.

    For honest people, with good intentions. For a whole bevy of New York City pay-to-play politicos large and small and their satellites in the unions and trades, AOC and Bezos took the food right out of their children’s mouths.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. AOC has really stepped in it. You can insult America. You can insult Christians. And WASPs and Catholics love being despised and insulted. But you’ve crossed a line there AOC. She’s on her way out.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  49. Has she ever heard of Ann Frank? Sad.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  50. And if you wanted to see incoherence from the Commie mayor of a capitalist capital who doesn’t know whether to sh!t or go blind, you should have seen the op-ed DiBlasio penned for the NYT the day after. But I won’t link it here. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  51. You’re giving AOC far too much credit. Nobody cancels a $5 billion project because a rep says that their tax breaks are a bad idea. The project wasn’t even in her district. Do you actually believe Amazon pulled out because people didn’t kiss their ass enough?

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  52. Why do you think they pulled out?

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Why not I just post what I wish to post and you do likewise? I’ve added plenty of my views here but I also like to copy paste things I see on the interwebs which I feel speak for themselves.

    And pointing out (either directly or indirectly) that Trump is not the unprecedented disaster (much less Hitler v 2.0) that many cast him as does not necessarily make me a fan. Same as standing and smiling at a Native American pounding a drum in your face does not make you a smug racist villain.

    harkin (e5c973) — 6/18/2019 @ 7:17 pm

    Hahahahaha. You complained that you were criticized, and not by me. You seemed confused about why. I tried to explain why you were criticized because it’s kinda predictable. You also claimed Davethulu was AOC’s apologist… but he’s clearly critical of her.

    By all means post whatever off topic copypasta you want, but it’s not persuasive to respond to a post about Trump with a copypasta that’s not really on topic, about some bad democrat. If you’re going to be sensitive to this criticism, it would be very easy for you to avoid it. Cheer up.

    Dustin (0cc25e)

  54. In re Hq2 being “theatre”, the tell was Nashville getting a large branch office (not exactly sure of functions) just before NYC and DC being selected.

    urbanleftbehind (18d1a3)

  55. “Why do you think they pulled out?”

    Here’s a good timeline: https://ny.curbed.com/2019/2/18/18226681/amazon-hq2-new-york-city-timeline

    It’s a long article, but the gist is that pushback from local politicians, who had actual political power in the process, are what caused the cancellation. AOC was an early critic, but she had zero power to make any changes.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  56. pushback from local politicians

    If it were Chicago, I would say that “their envelopes were not thick enough”.

    And, hey, don’t get me wrong! I’m more than willing to confess that Alexandria is nothing more than a loud noise.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. @ Dana, who wrote in part (#33):

    She knew what she meant, and the number of people asserting that she could’ve been referring to the British and the Boer War are doing contortions for the sake of partisanship, and frankly, look like idiots for doing so.

    I haven’t read much elsewhere about this controversy; I said in my comment (#21) that “I’d place a large wager that AOC does not [know about the term’s antecedents],” and I agree with you that she was surely referring to Nazis in WW2, not Brits in the Boer War. I agree that AOC and anyone else who compares the camps set up by the U.S. to house these illegal immigrants to “concentration camps” of any stripe is showing magnificent ignorance of history; if anyone’s trying to defend her on grounds that she meant the Brits, I’d likewise agree that they look like idiots for doing so.

    I was just offering a factoid. If you thought I was in any way defending AOC, you misread what I wrote; but perhaps you didn’t, and were instead just making a related point without intending to criticize what I’d written.

    I suspect most of what AOC knows about WW2 and the Nazis are from ridiculous and ahistorical movies like “Inglourious Basterds.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  58. “She’s a single rep, in a divided congress. Her policy proposals are largely irrelevant.”
    Davethulhu (bc6fa6) — 6/18/2019 @ 6:35 pm

    Just your typical single rep. in a divided congress with policy proposals that are largely irrelevant who’s been feted on Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert, etc.

    Munroe (d660cd)

  59. The thing to remember is that the media isn’t actually in the news business, it’s in the business of selling paper towels and cialis and fly-fishing vacations to Minnesota and HBO subscriptions. If they keep covering AOC it’s because their Nielsen ratings go up when they do and so they get more eyes on their paper-towel ads. The question isn’t why the media keeps talking about her, it’s why does she, a young liberal New Yorker, gain traction with their audience of middle-aged moderates far outside her district. (and no, I don’t think it’s because she’s hot)

    Nic (896fdf)

  60. Beldar,

    I was making a related point, and not criticizing what you wrote. (However, in re-reading my comment, it sounds unnecessarily sharp. My apologies. I don’t like it when I come off in a way in which I did not intend..)

    Dana (bb0678)

  61. “The question isn’t why the media keeps talking about her, it’s why does she, a young liberal New Yorker, gain traction with their audience of middle-aged moderates far outside her district. (and no, I don’t think it’s because she’s hot)”

    I think you’ll find that right-wing coverage of her far surpasses left wing.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-news-obsessed-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/3466493002/

    A study found that the New York City Democrat was mentioned 3,181 times on Fox News Channel and its sister Fox Business Network during the six-week period of Feb. 25 to April 7, or just under 76 times a day. Not a day went by when she wasn’t spoken about on Fox.

    “We have an AOC segment every single day, almost every single hour. She’s good for our ratings” – Fox News’ Stuart Varney

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  62. Is she this stupid, I mean you cant be consistently wrong on everything. Just a matter of odds, there are detention facilities like kromer in south Florida or ft. Chafee was for the vietnamese and mariela influx

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  63. Now explain ABC cbs and NBC’s treatment of her, it’s not her fault shes as shallow as a river bed, well only marginally less than the average Democrat office holder.

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  64. You’re giving AOC far too much credit. Nobody cancels a $5 billion project because a rep says that their tax breaks are a bad idea. The project wasn’t even in her district. Do you actually believe Amazon pulled out because people didn’t kiss their ass enough?

    AOC was instrumental in “bringing awareness” — isn’t that what loyal progressives always say the object of their activism is? — to the issue of Amazon in Queens. Remember that Cuomo and de Blasio had it all wired down, and the random bleatings of various local pols who could have been quieted down by Grace Mansion and Albany. But thanks goes to our adorable yet airheaded niece, who ensured that opposition to the project made national news. Even the article you directed us to lists her first among the prominent opponents. Had it been up to just the usual local Marxists to bring down Amazon, I kind of doubt they would have got their act together in time.

    I actually think the Amazon opponents raised some legitimate points with respect to cutting sweetheart deals for mega-corporations and the unsavory nature of secretive negotiations with a public entity, but naturally she had to go and wreck all of her good work with her silly claims that keeping Amazon out of NYC somehow saved the taxpayer money. You can be technically correct on the merits of a case, yet economically ignorant at the same time.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  65. @61 and why do those ratings increase. I don’t get the feeling people are hate-watching her and I still don’t think “because she’s hot” is the answer. Really it seems like this might be a worrisome question for conservatives. frex, is she tuning into the same discontent that Trump was?

    Nic (896fdf)

  66. “it’s not her fault shes as shallow as a river bed”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Tell us about the first time you sat down at that desk as president, I imagine is that where you read the letter from President Obama?

    TRUMP: I did. I read the letter there, I don’t know if you ever seen the letter. Have you ever seen the letter?

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I can’t remember actually.

    TRUMP: He actually wrote a very beautiful letter, and uh, it’s uh, it’s very interesting what’s happened it’s very interesting, but he wrote me a letter which is a custom and he put it right in the drawer, the center drawer and I opened it and I saw the letter I read it and I thought it was very nice and I have it. Uh, right there that’s more judges I’m signing, we’ve signed a 107 judges since I’m in, and I’ll get a 145 plus two supreme court judges which we already have and the numbers should be quite a bit higher than that. Ultimately, the judges will go, I inherited almost 145 judges, which is shocking. But they couldn’t get them through or something happened at the last two or three years of the Obama administration where he was not getting judges. I’m not talking about Supreme Court judges, which happened also with Merrick Garland. I’m talking about regular judges and court of appeal judges, federal judges, but I had 145, that’s a shocking number.

    Davethulhu (bc6fa6)

  67. She has to find new material, this is what she touting when she won the primary about this time last year.

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  68. Yeah, Davethulhu, I totally agree. Stephanopoulos is even more shallow than AOC.

    Munroe (e801a4)

  69. HEWITT: Mr. Trump, Dr. Carson just referenced the single most important job of the president, the command, the control and the care of our nuclear forces. And he mentioned the triad. The B-52s are older than I am. The missiles are old. The submarines are aging out. It’s an executive order. It’s a commander-in-chief decision. What’s your priority among our nuclear triad?

    TRUMP: Well, first of all, I think we need somebody absolutely that we can trust, who is totally responsible, who really knows what he or she is doing. That is so powerful and so important.

    And one of the things that I’m frankly most proud of is that in 2003, 2004, I was totally against going into Iraq because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I called it. I called it very strongly. And it was very important.

    But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out – if we didn’t have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can’t just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn’t care. It was hand-to-hand combat.

    The biggest problem this world has today is not President Obama with global warming, which is inconceivable, this is what he’s saying. The biggest problem we have is nuclear – nuclear proliferation and having some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. That’s in my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now.

    HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Sen. Rubio after that and ask him.

    TRUMP: I think – I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

    Dave (1bb933)

  70. Munroe, having treated us to your slavery jokes and, now (#24), your Holocaust jokes, what can we anticipate as your encore?

    I have to admit that I’m stumped to think of two subjects even less appropriate for joking — but I don’t want to underestimate your creativity and zeal for tastelessness.

    I do hope you can manage to stay in our host’s and his co-blogger’s good graces. You have so much in common with your cult leader, it’s almost like having him participate directly here, and we all know what familiarity breeds.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  71. If we allow everyone to come here that wants to without limitation, does the USA still exist or do we become where everyone came from?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  72. Munroe, having treated us to your slavery jokes and, now (#24), your Holocaust jokes, what can we anticipate as your encore?

    I have to admit that I’m stumped to think of two subjects even less appropriate for joking — but I don’t want to underestimate your creativity and zeal for tastelessness.

    I do hope you can manage to stay in our host’s and his co-blogger’s good graces. You have so much in common with your cult leader, it’s almost like having him participate directly here, and we all know what familiarity breeds.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 6/18/2019 @ 10:35 pm

    I don’t think that’s a holocaust joke. I think it’s a response to show what poor taste AOC’s remarks are in and to prove the lie of those who try and defend her remarks.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  73. Is Lavar Ball AOC’s dad?
    Is Maxine Waters her mom?

    mg (8cbc69)

  74. Loudmouths from hell.

    mg (8cbc69)

  75. Its Dulles brinksmanship thesis, Danno, if you actually were associated with the CERN. He did it with Eisenhower’s blessing

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  76. The Democrats realize what labourites innthe 90s were doing fundamentally transforming the country through immigration, to prevent another Thatcher from defending englands interests.

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  77. Her loss is our gain, we’re getting an Amazon distribution center,

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  78. I dont think shes kidding to you?
    https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060616261

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  79. Her loss is our gain, we’re getting an Amazon distribution center,

    Why not cut out the middle-man, not to mention the environmental impact and traffic congestion, and just mail a check to Jeff Bezos? Not that he couldn’t use it, with an ex-wife fleecing him on one side and a mistress to support on the other.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. How’s it going with governor creosote btw.

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  81. “creosote”?

    nk (dbc370)

  82. Pritzker, will he be the next governor to follow thr tradition
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/18/jamaal-bowman-eliot-engel/

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  83. #61,

    I remember the days when Trump rallies were featured on CNN, and Morning Joe did their best to promote the Donald on MSNBC.

    So Fox features AOC. Why not? She’s colorful, she’s pretty, she makes dramatic statements that make for interesting copy, she has a mega-billion twitter followers. And she, maybe, does for the Democratic Party what Trump was supposed to do for the Republican Party. You know, make the Dems seem so absurd that nobody ever votes for them.

    I also remember Republicans insisting, insisting vehemently that Trump was just a faction of the party, a small, microscopic unrepresentative piece of it. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be true. Why shouldn’t I take that insight from recent history and apply it to AOC and her popularity with the Dems?

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  84. 88. NSFW, btw. Obligatory content warning (and I’m not kidding)

    Gryph (08c844)

  85. Hes a little rotund, I guess I could call him governor pretzel,

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  86. Does she get better Nielsens than “Desperate Housewives”?

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Heh! Thanks, Gryph. I’ve been a fan of Eric Idle’s musical skits since I first saw him as Lord High Executioner in “The Mikado”.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. 92. I forgot that he was in The Mikado. Ever seen “What about Dick?” Now that was hi-larious!

    Gryph (08c844)

  89. No, I don’t think so, I’m not sure, maybe.

    nk (dbc370)

  90. 95. It was on Netflix recently, along with a lot of Python stuff. Not sure if it still is. It’s a stage play in the style of an old-timey radio show.

    Gryph (08c844)

  91. Did they clone Van Jones and send him to NYC?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  92. Of course he and cleese are trapped in the world they helped make,

    Narciso (a36d4a)

  93. Elton John and Morrissey should switch fan bases, given their respective politics and who is the largest component of their respective US fans.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  94. Yes, it’s still on Netflix.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. 51. Davethulhu (bc6fa6) — 6/18/2019 @ 7:55 pm

    Do you actually believe Amazon pulled out because people didn’t kiss their ass enough? </blockquote. It pulled out because some of their subsidies would have been stopped because the Majorty Leader of the New York State Senate appointed an opponent to a committee that needed to approve something.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/nyregion/michael-gianaris-amazon.html

    Through a confluence of timing, electoral successes and old-fashioned politics, Mr. Gianaris, one of the deal’s most outspoken opponents, is uniquely positioned to stand in its way: On Monday, the new Senate majority leader, Andrea Stewart-Cousins, nominated him to serve on the Public Authorities Control Board, a little-known state board that must approve the Amazon plan.

    Any of the three voting members of the board has the power to veto the plan, cementing Mr. Gianaris’s position at the center of the furor over Amazon.

    Other politicians wanted to negotiate, and maybe even get him off that commmittee, but Amaon abruptly abanoned the effort.

    They actually got Michael Gianaris off (or rather never on he board, but it was too late:

    https://www.wnyc.org/story/amazon-opponent-passed-over-state-board

    State Senator Michael Gianaris, a fierce critic of Amazon, won’t be sitting on the obscure but periodically powerful New York State Public Authorities Control Board after all. The prospect of Gianaris’s board membership, which could’ve given him a veto over the Amazon deal, helped spook the company into backing out of from becoming one of the city’s major employers. Amazon supporter Governor Andrew Cuomo could have prevented Gianaris from taking the position but, somewhat inexplicably, never acted.

    The Public Authorities Control Board assumed an outsized role in the Amazon drama because the deal included a $500 million grant to build the company’s Long Island City campus. The board would have voted on that part of the $3 billion subsidy package.

    In a letter to Cuomo, Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, who had nominated Gianaris to the board earlier this month, blamed the governor’s “inaction” for her withdrawal of Gianaris’s name.

    A possible reason for Amazon backing out was that maybe Jeff Bezos wasn’t so interested in his personal heliport any more.

    Aexandria Ocasio Cortez’s district extends almost to the site, so she could claim a connection, and she was among those who claimed victory.

    Sammy Finkelman (9974e8)

  96. @ NJRob (#73): Let’s stipulate that AOC’s remarks were in bad taste.

    Let’s stipulate further that Munroe’s comment at #24 was in response.

    Your statement that Munroe’s comment was “not a Holocaust joke” is still insupportable. It was a Holocaust joke, told in bad taste, even if admittedly in response to comments from AOC that were historically ignorant and in bad taste.

    If taken other than as a joke — at face value, then, as a statement of historical fact — Munroe’s “non-joke” would be even stupider than what AOC said. Hitler made no secret in Mein Kampf, published while he was still in prison before he ever had any position of authority, about his views on Jews. Taken literally, he and his Nazi supporters gave abundant warning of what they’d do to and “about” Jews if they ever came to power.

    I don’t think Munroe is stupid enough to deny that. It wasn’t ever a very good joke, because its premise is false. But yes, indeed: It was a Holocaust joke.

    I was already pretty familiar with you, NJRob, but thanks for helping me grow a bit more familiar, with what that breeds.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  97. Thanks for the attempt at an insult Beldar.

    It’s still not a holocaust joke. It’s a remark that shows how deceitful AOC is because everyone knew what the Nazi’s were doing as you said: Hitler discussed as much in his writings. People wouldn’t be trying to flood our border if they knew they were being put into concentration camps as AOC foolishly says. But people know they are not.

    The remark is ironic as much as anything. No humor involved.

    Perhaps stop looking at remarks in the worst possible light just because you don’t like the messenger.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  98. This is designed to provoke attacks on ice personnel, because if they are camp guards.

    Narciso (f8a289)

  99. He did the same with the times denialist post.

    Narciso (f8a289)

  100. ‘Taken literally, he and his Nazi supporters gave abundant warning of what they’d do to and “about” Jews if they ever came to power.’
    Beldar (fa637a) — 6/19/2019 @ 7:54 am

    I’m intrigued by this notion that they knew what awaited them at the end of the rail line, and went willingly anyway.

    Please expand!

    Munroe (f09cab)

  101. Godwin violation on aisle 12,

    Narciso (f8a289)

  102. @ NJRob: The insult was implied; you took the implication; it therefore was not merely an “attempted insult,” but a completed one. That doesn’t mean you do care, or should care, but let’s be precise with language when we’re arguing about language, shall we?

    I’d actually characterize Munroe’s comment as “sarcastic” rather than “ironic,” but that’s a judgment call and I won’t quibble. Regardless: Does being ironic make Holocaust jokes okay in your view?

    @ Munroe: I doubt AOC knows, but I would make a large wager that you know, that many books and Ph.D. theses have been written on the subject of how the Nazis were able to suppress resistance from their targets without overt violence. There was, of course, plenty of that too, especially in eastern Europe. You mentioning it on this thread, however, is just another example of deflection in service of your cult leader. And of course, you still haven’t addressed any of the numbered items in my comment that prompted your joke.

    Sad.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  103. The implication is trump is Hitler, consequently “any means necessary’ can be used against such a figure, now the patent absurdity of such a premise should be smacked down hard

    Narciso (f8a289)

  104. Beldar,

    I hope you saw my comment at #60.

    Dana (bb0678)

  105. (But predictable.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  106. I did, Dana, and thank you for it. It was very gracious, and I ought to have acknowledged it already.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  107. Of course, there is no level of care or accommodation for detainees that would make the practice of detention acceptable to Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters.

    Aw, Dana. Really? You can’t imagine that people might be sincerely interested in better treatment for detainees than what we’re currently doing to them?

    Straw-manning the opposing view to “open borders” is gross oversimplification. I don’t think that’s helpful.

    TR (2c5752) — 6/18/2019 @ 6:45 pm

    Ew, what a silly thing to say. As I said in comment #6:

    It is both possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time (I keep having to make this point): You can shout that the conditions of the detention facilities are horrible and must change as well as support efforts to follow (as best as possible) the laws on the books until such time as they are amended.

    So stop your straw-manning.

    Further, I was going to type out a long response to the rest of your twaddle but then saw that Allahpundit has saved me the time:

    I can’t believe we’re on Day Two of debating what Ocasio-Cortez meant by “concentration camps.” This is someone who’s suggested publicly that immigration enforcement is improper because Latinos are descended from native Americans and therefore kinda sorta American already. She’s radically in favor of open borders, as socialists (well, younger socialists) tend to be. She could have called the camps on the border “refugee camps” or, if she wanted to emphasize their nefariousness, “internment camps” a la FDR’s treatment of Japanese-Americans. She chose “concentration camp” due to its association with Nazism, pointedly using the phrase “Never Again” in her Instagram video about this, because she meant to imply that detaining illegals en masse is a moral atrocity of Hitlerian enormity. She wants us to either release everyone pending their asylum/deportation hearings, with many never to be seen again, or ideally to accept and amnestize them all. Anything short of that is “concentration camps.”

    So no, there is no level of care or accommodation for detainees that would make the practice of detention acceptable to Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters.

    Dana (bb0678)

  108. Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    I see we’ve reached media endgame of “It doesn’t actually matter what she said”

    __ _

    Was there any doubt? It’s their M.O.
    _

    harkin (e5c973)

  109. I hope Pete Buttigieg hangs on until Super Tuesday. I am sincerely curious to see what part of the vote he gets in black communities. Cory Booker is on the downlow, so he’s not a good indicator.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Sorry, wrong thread.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. This isn’t the first time Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has trotted out this “concentration camp” rhetoric.

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a video to her constituents Monday evening, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compared mandatory math classes in public schools to “concentration camps.”
    Ocasio-Cortez made several comparisons between public school arithmetic lessons and concentration camps, referencing the brutality of the Holocaust throughout her address.
    “Kids are, like, being forced to learn numbers and do, like, long division,” she said. “And even short and medium-sized division. This is basically what happened in the Holocaust. Math teachers are, like, pretty much fascists. We should call them Add-Olf Hitler. You know, because of the additioning they make us do.”

    Paul Montagu (ed450b)

  112. Paul Montagu: it’s harder and harder to distinguish The Babylon Bee from reality.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  113. I admit to doing a not-fully disbelieving double-take before hitting the link.

    Dana (bb0678)

  114. When you’re a black man coming out against reparations for a number of solid reasons and backing up your beliefs with well-thought out arguments, better be prepared to be denigrated in the worst way by loudmouths with lazy minds.

    Dana (bb0678)

  115. If Mr. Ocasio-Cortez wanted to really understand what actual concentration camps are like, she could go to China and check out how the regime is treating its own citizens, the Uighers.

    The victims are more than 1 million Turkic Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang province in China’s northwest, who have been herded into barbed-wire centers for forced assimilation into Han Chinese thinking and way of life. While Beijing claims the camps are vocational schools, eyewitnesses — the modern Jan Karskis — relate a story of coerced indoctrination and mass ethnic cleansing. People are not being killed as they were under the Nazis, but their way of life and their heritage are being eradicated against their will. These people are being stamped into conformity and obedience to the ruling Communist Party.

    This is speculation, but I’m guessing that the detainees in our facilities are treated way better.

    Paul Montagu (ed450b)

  116. Dana,

    that racist really needs to be suspended from Twitter.

    NJRob (4d595c)

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