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6/18/2019

Re-Election Campaign Launches With President Trump Announcing “Millions Of Illegals” Will Be Removed

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:22 am



[guest post by Dana]

President Trump essentially launched his re-election campaign on Twitter yesterday by simultaneously announcing that “thousands of people” were already lined up in Orlando for his first campaign rally that will be held tonight and that “millions of illegals” would be removed from the U.S. Of course the number of estimated rally attendees is already the subject of debate, given his tendency to overestimate such things.

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Interspersed with his tweets about the campaign rally were the tweets announcing that ICE will begin the process of removing millions of illegal aliens from the U.S.:

Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people…….

….long before they get to our Southern Border. Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!

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The acting director of ICE explained why the deportation move was necessary:

Arguing that federal agencies are at a “breaking point” trying to handle migrant crossings, the country’s top immigration official Sunday in Louisville called for an increase in federal funding and pledged to focus on deporting families.

Mark Morgan, the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said repeatedly that the thousands of people crossing the Southwestern border of the United States is a crisis, and that agencies such as ICE, Health and Human Services, and Border Patrol are overwhelmed.

Focusing on families in particular, Morgan called children effectively a “U.S. passport” for migrants and argued that no one should be exempt from enforcement.

“Our priorities will always remain the same: The safety and security of the neighborhoods throughout the entire country, to remove the top-priority criminal aliens,” Morgan said in a sit-down interview. “We can’t do that and ignore the rest of the demographics that are here in violation of federal law.”

Clearly, both things can be true at the same time: The number of people surging over the border is overwhelming the system, and President Trump knows how to generate excitement with his base. The announcement that millions will be deported not only serves as a rallying cry for his supporters at the launch of his campaign, but also conveniently serves as a distraction while followers continue to wait for Trump’s Wall to be built…

Anyway, that there is a crisis at the border has most recently been confirmed by Uvalde, Texas, Mayor Don McLaughlin, who is a Democrat, and expressed his frustration during an interview: “From my standpoint, I don’t even know why we have federal elected officials.”

While Uvalde sits 40-60 miles from the border, Mayor Mclaughlin went on to detail the negative impact that the surge of illegal aliens have had on his town and its residents:

Uvalde, Texas, is a small town of 17,000 inhabitants, and they are now overrun by illegal immigrants and an international cartel smuggling operation. Uvalde is 40-60 miles from the border, but it might as well be right at the border. “We are in no man’s land. The state is not doing anything; the federal government is not doing anything,” said the mayor, who is begging the politicians to get involved. “We are getting nothing. I’ve lived here all my life and have never seen anything like this. The people in the communities are getting scared. What is coming that we don’t see? Who knows? People up north and in D.C. have no clue what is going on here. They don’t realize that these people are not being screened for diseases. We’re fed up.”

Situated at the crossroads of major highways coming up from border towns in the Laredo and Del Rio border sectors, Uvalde has now become a dumping ground for migrants coming north. And they are not just coming from Central America. Del Rio has received hundreds of African migrants in recent weeks. Uvalde has a Border Patrol holding facility, and according to McLaughlin, whenever it is full, if the city doesn’t take charge, many immigrants are released in a Walmart parking lot. Mayor McLaughlin said his city must pick up the tab to have them bused to San Antonio. On Friday, local media reported how San Antonio has now received hundreds of African migrants.

Mayor McLaughlin also cited an increase in crime as dozens and dozens of illegals with criminal records are now arriving on freight trains. Border Patrol does not have enough manpower to respond to the crisis.

The Mayor also tore into Rep. William Hurd, Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, as Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and the state attorney general for their “lack of meaningful response” to the crisis in his town.

Additionally, El Paso Sector Border Patrol spokesman Ramiro Cordero, when questioned about the vast number of migrants being held at the foot of the northbound Paso del Norte international bridge in Downtown El Paso and detention center explained the Border Patrol’s frustration:

“If we’re apprehending over 1,000 a day, where do you put them?” he said. “The solution is not more agents or infrastructure or vehicles. You can build 10,000 tents but if people keep coming at the rate that they have, and the system is bottle-necked, there is nothing we can do about it.”

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

63 Responses to “Re-Election Campaign Launches With President Trump Announcing “Millions Of Illegals” Will Be Removed”

  1. What a quagmire.

    Dana (bb0678)


  2. Washington Examiner
    @dcexaminer
    In a video posted to her Instagram last night,
    @AOC
    accused the United States of running concentration camps at the southern border.

    “And if that doesn’t bother you, I don’t .. I got — I like — we can have — okay, whatever.”
    __ _

    Bronco Bob
    @BroncoBob360
    How is it that 75 year old Donald Trump is 10,000 times better at social media than this 20 something cell phone whiz?

    _

    harkin (58d012)

  3. It occurred to me this morning that there are some exact parallels between gun control. Stricter control merely results in more illegal use. “If you make immigration illegal, only criminals will be immigrants!”

    The real solution is to make it easier to immigrate here legally. Then people won’t try to abuse the asylum process or ignore the immigration laws completely. And by making it easier to get here legally, it will be far easier to enforce the laws and far easier to keep out/deport the MS13 members and others who no one wants here.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  4. Glad we got our AOC stalking out of the way at the start of the thread.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  5. Trump is 73, not 75. And only Large Screens, not Huge Screens?

    nk (dbc370)

  6. kishevi:

    Great solution! Do you have any faith the government will enforce whatever law is on the books, when they haven’t enforced it previously? If you have this faith, how do you come by it, and how do you sell it to anyone else?

    Appalled (905aba)

  7. Appalled, the reason the government doesn’t enforce immigration law very well is because it’s so strict it’s unenforceable. To put it another way, do you want unenforceable laws that can not be enforced, or enforceable laws that are not enforced?

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  8. If I’m reading this correctly, ICE will be deporting those who have already received final deportation orders, so they’re just enforcing the law. Not seeing the problem here. The question is how effective they’ll actually be. Now that Trump made it public, those folks will just move and stay further off the grid.

    Paul Montagu (841370)

  9. Wherever they dump these illegals Donohue and the chamber of commerce will be there handing them rolls of Benjamins telling them to get back in.

    mg (8cbc69)

  10. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

    Trump tells supporters to ignore polls that say he’s losing

    President Donald Trump is charging into his re-election launch week by warning his supporters that polls, including by his own campaign, showing him trailing Democratic front-runner Joe Biden are not real.

    Trump hit back Monday after his team fired several pollsters whose early swing state surveys angered the President when they showed him lagging behind in states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that paved his way to the White House.

    Dave (1bb933)

  11. And it’s also a accidental recruiting tool for MS 13 in that they are not first priority for removal and they could howl “they’re too scared of us!”

    urbanleftbehind (6740cd)

  12. It’s going to be problematic getting all of those deportees over that big, beautiful wall that Trump had built on Mexico’s dime over the last couple of years.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  13. I am the Great and Powerful Covfefe!

    Dave (1bb933)

  14. The question is how effective they’ll actually be.

    Hot Air makes the point that ICE is already doing this, and Trump’s announcement doesn’t tell anyone anything that isn’t already known.

    IOW, Trump is making noise for the benefit of his base.

    kishnevi (0c10d1)

  15. IOW, Trump is making noise for the benefit of his base.

    Hmm, a bold new strategy!

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. Deport criminal aliens first and punish states that ignore the law and offer aid and comfort to these invaders.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  17. #7

    The answer to you is whether the government, since these rules were put together in the 80s, actually tried to enforce them?

    I like your solution — really! But it falls apart if we can get no agreement on enforcement or funding enforcement.

    Appalled (905aba)

  18. The Orlando Sentinel announces its endorsement for 2020, and it’s identical to mine!

    “Not Donald Trump”

    (It’s an excellent – if highly abridged – summary of the reasons Donald Trump is unfit for office)

    Dave (1bb933)

  19. In other news:

    https://t.co/AyU1knURGe

    Narciso (24ef0e)

  20. They believed you could keep your doctor and your plan, or the epidemic of foot amputations

    Narciso (24ef0e)

  21. 10 – those folks who ignored the polls in Nov 2016 sure were fools.

    harkin (e5c973)

  22. One of the problems with our immigration laws has always been lack of enough people and courts to process everyone. It isn’t any surprise that this continues to be a problem and a worse one now.

    Nic (896fdf)

  23. The answer to you is whether the government, since these rules were put together in the 80s, actually tried to enforce them?

    Appalled, you are usually reasonable in your comments, but this is a trope straight out of TrumpWorld, with no basis in reality.

    What makes you say the government hasn’t tried to enforce the laws? They have not only tried, they have enforced them quite strictly and successfully. Countless millions have been deported or turned back at the border. In the ten years before Trump took office, illegal immigration plummeted – in large part due to significant increases in resources committed by the Bush administration. In recent years, they typically interdict 75-95% of illegal crossing attempts on the southern border (depending on sector).

    This recent update to a border security metrics report that DRJ and I have discussed in the past documents the remarkable successes of border enforcement, thanks to better, smarter enforcement.

    Look at the red curve (“Estimated Total Successful Unlawful Entries between Ports of Entry”) in Figure 3, which fell by a factor of about 10 in the decade between 2005 and 2015, and tell me if you stand by your claim that we have never tried to enforce our immigration laws.

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. those folks who ignored the polls in Nov 2016 sure were fools.

    If they voted for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, yes, but that’s beside the point.

    The polls were generally accurate, within a few percent, in November 2016. They were least accurate (underestimating the winner’s advantage) in states Clinton and Trump won by large margins.

    The national polls were more accurate in 2016 than in 2012, and predicted the popular vote margin accurately within less than 2%.

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. More on polls:

    The 17-state poll conducted by the campaign in March, for example, showed Trump trailing Biden by double digits in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan, ABC reported Friday.

    […]

    For his part, Trump has publicly denied the existence of the internal polls showing him behind Biden, even as his campaign confirmed them.

    I think Trump’s denial is tantamount to official confirmation.

    Dave (1bb933)

  26. (1) Any and all feasible solutions requires legislation from Congress signed by the POTUS, both as to underlying immigration law and as to appropriations.

    (2) The Democratic Party controls the House of Representatives and its caucus is well disciplined.

    (3) Trump deliberately chose to make this a hyperpartisan issue in his 2016 campaign, and he’s now doubling down.

    (4) Democrats will therefore add fuel to the fires of hyperpartisanship. Any chance of them participating in a legislative solution is zero while Trump continues to do what he’s doing. No compromises are possible, and without compromise, there will be no legislation, not even for meaningful appropriations.

    (5) Points (1)-(4) above are so spectacularly obvious that even a moron like Trump cannot miss them. That he continues to pour fuel on the fire therefore shows that he values the net political benefits he perceives more highly than he values any solution to the problems.

    (6) Given points (1)-(5) above, nothing will pass Congress, and the problems are almost certain to continue to spiral out of control, which suits Donald J. Trump very well indeed.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  27. those folks who ignored the polls in Nov 2016 sure were fools.

    And those folks who trust Donald Trump when he declares himself the greatest ever in every possible way and labels anything that doesn’t flatter him as a lie — are they geniuses?

    Radegunda (1db015)

  28. I’m totally against mass deportations, if that’s what he means, but I’m also against this mass rush for our border. Who is coaching the African immigrants to not talk to anyone, for instance, who give them a route to Portland Maine? Is this just money or some international anti-American group?

    It’s ironic that the left is now urging Africans to come here to the promised land, while at the same time branding us as the worst anti-Black racist people and nation in the world.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  29. This NYT article gives some details about the Maine situation. One key factor is an already existing community of Congolese in Portland.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/us/border-africans-congo-maine.html

    Kishnevi (2bcf76)

  30. #28, “It’s ironic that the left …”

    Another irony: Those who call for a borderless world and assert that borders are artificial, etc., are nevertheless quite adamant about the moral necessity of getting people from THAT side of the border over to THIS side.

    They tacitly acknowledge that the borders delineate very real differences, but don’t appear to give much thought to the reasons for those differences.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  31. nothing like a new pair of sneakers to go along with a new home.

    mg (8cbc69)

  32. Beldar (fa637a) — 6/18/2019 @ 10:08 am

    That he continues to pour fuel on the fire therefore shows that he values the net political benefits he perceives more highly than he values any solution to the problems.

    He wants to put the Democratic Party in the wrong. He’ll continue this so long as the Democrats don’t stick up for what they actually believe. He thinks he’s got the Democrats tied up in knots. They won’t defend their position.555

    Only if the Democrats say they are against enforcement of the immigration laws, and make a cogent argument for it, and that they want to change the asylum laws the other way, to make them more liberal, and not less, will he give up. Because then he’ll have an election issue

    (6) Given points (1)-(5) above, nothing will pass Congress, and the problems are almost certain to continue to spiral out of control, which suits Donald J. Trump very well indeed.

    he thinks he’s got the asylum issue solved.

    Use his power to put on tariffs, or close orslow down border crossings for purposes for which it wass never intended, to force Mexico and other countries to do things they never agreed to, and as for human rights violations, if he even thinks about them, it’ll be on those countries.

    And it not possible to reduce the flow without human rights violations. Well, there are some otehr things, like charging less than the smugglers, but it not possible to have an immigration law that is effective, humane, and too tightly restrictive. You can pick two out of those three.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  33. For his part, Trump has publicly denied the existence of the internal polls showing him behind Biden, even as his campaign confirmed them.

    This is actually pretty clear and not a contradiction.

    The polls that show Trump losing everywhere (and somehow doing worse in Georgia than in Ohio!) are old polls, done in March. The polls that show him winning everywhere are new polls, by a different pollster.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/us/politics/trump-polls.html

    Trump used to have five polling firms working for him. he now fired three of them (partly to prevent leaks in the future)

    The one that conducted the March polls that leaked is Tony Fabrizio and that will remain, and John McLaughlin will remain as well. Fabrizio worked for Trump’s company many years ago, but was brought into the 2016 campaign by Paul Manafort

    The fired firms are the one formerly owned by Kelly Anne Conway, the Polling Company which was sold in 2017 to CRC Public Relations , and two firms addedlate in the 2016 campaign to the Triump campaign bevy ofpollsters, Adam Geller> a pollster for former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, and Michael Baselice, a pollster for former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  34. Trump’s campaign manager, Brad Parscale, who madethe decison to let go on some pollsetrs (but not the one whose poll leaked) explained the difference bwteen the March polls and what he said were the results of the new polls by the Mueller report and the beginning of Democrats defining themselves. (Methinks the cause was probably a change in polling methodology and the method of accounting for the 90% or so of people who do not answer polls)

    Anyway here’s Brad Parscale as quoted in the New York Times:

    “These leaked numbers are ancient, in campaign terms, from months-old polling that began in March before two major events had occurred: the release of the summary of the Mueller report exonerating the president, and the beginning of the Democrat candidates defining themselves with their far-left policy message,” Mr. Parscale said in a statement on Friday.

    “Since then, we have seen huge swings in the president’s favor across the 17 states we have polled, based on the policies now espoused by the Democrats,” he said. “The president is correct that we have no current polls against defined Democrats — at all — that show him losing in any of the states we have tested.”

    the New York Times also gives an idea of what may be really different between the old polls and the new polls:

    The more recent survey conducted by the campaign involved extensive message-testing — in other words, asking questions about support for Mr. Trump only after first describing the Democrats in negative terms, according to two people familiar with the data. Such polling methods can be useful in assessing the strength of various messages but are not considered meaningful bottom-line measures of the current state of a campaign.

    It’s a way maybe to test ads, but not current strength, and the questions assume people will regard the point made in the assertions as true.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  35. Trump winning in the first place was shocking, and most voters actually voted against him. Millions fewer Americans wanted Trump to be president than wanted anybody but Trump. Since that election, he’s lied to the American people so many times, and been scandalous on a number of levels. He’s been exposed for paying off hookers, praising our nation’s enemies, being a tax cheat, and obstructing justice. Hell, one of the major things he’s lied about was the investigation that showed he obstructed justice.

    Why is anyone surprised he’s behind Biden? I’m not a fan of Biden, but he’s clearly a better candidate than Hillary (the one who beat him in 2016, though not in the EC, definitely in the actual democratic election… the part where Americans tried to reject Trump). I don’t say this to troll Trump’s fans. Trump won the technical election, the one that legally matters, fair and square. But winning that way is by definition unpopular, and since then, Trump has been unsuccessful in many areas.

    Trump vs Biden will be a tough contest because it’s really a choice between going back to the relatively low scandal days of the Obama administration, which to many Americans will seem tempting. Biden’s strongest area (at least according to the media) will be foreign policy, which is definitely Trump’s weakest area.

    I do not want Biden to win, because the judicial appointment issue is definitive. Though I also do not want our nation to say they condone having such a terrible man as Trump be our leader.

    Trump is actually being smart to focus on immigration success. That is a huge driver of voter enthusiasm. Democrats have been rolling their eyes at this issue as Americans have been more and more frustrated. Really, on immigration the democrats badly deserve to lose, and they deserve to lose even to Trump because it’s so insulting. But that doesn’t mean Trump fans should look at 2016 and feel like polls are BS.

    Dustin (0cc25e)

  36. @24/25: Why 2016 Election Poll Missed Their Mark

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-election-polls-missed-their-mark/

    But what do they know; it’s only their business, eh.

    _______

    ‘… lined up in Orlando…’

    “Rally to me.” – Douglas MacArthur, 10/20/44

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. Portland, Maine comes from the government, or people in the Border Patrol, unofficially,and moeofficially, peoplein the government of San Antonio, Texas because Portland, Maine has a Congolese community,and there’s a government-financed Portland Community Support Fund to provide rental payments to landlords and other forms of assistance for asylum seekers. There are also many of them in San Antonio, but they are not directed there, but rather Portland and New York.tgehir final destinations are principally Portland Oregon, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, New York City, and cities in Florida and Iowa.

    This group was unexpected. There were a total of 25 people from Congo and Angola over an eleven year period. They probably have good cases for asylum because the organizers would want to show future customers a track record of success.

    This must have been organized because it is getting difficult to get into Europe.They first flew to Ecuador and made their way by land to the U.S. border with Mexico. Some died or were killed along the way. The most dangerous part of the journey is crossing from Colombia to Panama.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/us/border-africans-congo-maine.html

    Many come with horrific stories of government-sanctioned violence at home and treacherous conditions on their long journeys through South and Central America…

    …One Congolese woman cried as she stood on the sidewalk. She said her 5-year-old daughter had gotten sick and died on a bus. “There weren’t any doctors, there wasn’t any medicine,” she said. “It’s too hard for me to talk about my story.”

    A 41-year-old man from Congo’s capital, Kinshasa, said he and his 10-year-old son had spent four months traveling to the border with a group of about 10 families. The man, a Red Cross volunteer and mechanic who asked to be identified only by his first name, Alain, said he fled because he had been speaking out about government killings.

    “I cannot go back now,” Alain said. “They will kill me. We prefer to live in freedom. In my country there’s no freedom, no democracy. We’re cornered. We’re prisoners in our own country.”

    The most treacherous part of the journey for many of the Congolese was in the Darién Gap, a region of mountains, forest and swampland at the border between Panama and Colombia that is considered one of the world’s most dangerous jungles, where smugglers and armed criminals prey on migrants.

    Alain said he was robbed at gunpoint there. A Congolese woman, sitting on the sidewalk outside the center, said in tears that she was raped in the Darién Gap jungle.

    The woman, Gisele Nzenza Kitandi, 44, said migrants there had died because they were sick or dehydrated. Ms. Kitandi grew increasingly distraught, as she sat with her leg in a brace from being shot by Congolese government soldiers. She said she had no money for bus tickets for her and her children.

    “I don’t even have one dollar,” Ms. Kitandi said.

    .

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  38. ‘In May [2015] the RealClearPolitics average of national polls on the GOP field put Trump at 4.5 percent. But as of late June [2015] Trump is at 3.2 percent.’ – source, politico.com, 6/24/2015

    Certainly a comfortable cushion to President H.R. Clinton, eh, JoeyBee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Obama/Biden were tougher on immigration than senate republicans, who are controlled by Donohue and the Chamber of Commerce.

    mg (8cbc69)

  40. Trump pandering to big corn for a few delegates in Iowa is wrong. I’d be worried about Texas oil.

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. If I’m reading this correctly, ICE will be deporting those who have already received final deportation orders, so they’re just enforcing the law. Not seeing the problem here. The question is how effective they’ll actually be. Now that Trump made it public, those folks will just move and stay further off the grid.

    I’m reminded of Gingrich’s line about how FedEx probably knows where they are.

    The other problem is citizen children. Do they go with? Who decides that? If not, what to do? If they actually anchor the parents it makes the entire process moot.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  42. As for the horror stories about asylum, they had a chance to show up in court but they skipped. My sympathy decreases as a result.

    But I have no doubt that, somehow, they will get one more bite at the asylum apple even if they have a final deportation order. “Final” doesn’t mean what you might think.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  43. If you are really upset that someone might be sent back to a waiting rape/murder squad, blame the sleazy immigration lawyers that tell EVERY immigrant to claim asylum.

    (for DCSCA) “I’m Brian!” “No, I’m Brian!” “No, no, I’m Brian!”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  44. I wonder what would happen if Trump nationalized the Guard in California, to enforce deportation orders in Los Angeles.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  45. So, who thinks Trump will go back to promising his cultists a big, beautiful wall paid for in full by Mexico?

    For the next 15 months.

    It’s as believable now as it was four years ago.

    Dave (1bb933)

  46. I wonder what would happen if Trump nationalized the Guard in California, to enforce deportation orders in Los Angeles.

    He’d be flagrantly violating the law.

    Not that he’d see that as any impediment, of course.

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. “In the ten years before Trump took office, illegal immigration plummeted – in large part due to significant increases in resources committed by the Bush administration.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 6/18/2019 @ 9:53 am

    In other words, in large part due to The Great Recession.

    Munroe (c9b32e)

  48. Radegunda, good point.

    //

    …and, what Kevin M said.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  49. Paul Montagu tx for the clarification. Perhaps it will then not lead to a civil war!

    Patricia (3363ec)

  50. “(6) Given points (1)-(5) above, nothing will pass Congress, and the problems are almost certain to continue to spiral out of control”
    Beldar (fa637a) — 6/18/2019 @ 10:08 am

    Thanks to Congress and a non-Trump president, we got the MS-13 Welcome Wagon Act .

    If only Trump would quit being a complete moron, we could find out what other creative solutions Congress has in store to keep things from spinning out of control.

    Munroe (f61be7)

  51. And now we have the non-MS 13 LIFO directive. Dont be surprised if all these families apprehended look like the inverse of an ideal mainland Chinese family gender-of-child wise. It would surprise me if MS 13 is the type of Finklemanesque “immoral tools” the administration uses to fill in the cracks.

    urbanleftbehind (18d1a3)

  52. @39. ‘I’m reminded of Gingrich’s line about how FedEx probably knows where they are.’

    Hmmm. (For Kevin M) And I’m reminded- –always– of: ‘NEWT GINGRICH, MOON PRESIDENT” —

    https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/123522/SNL-Channing-TATUM-newt-gingrich-on-the-moon/

    Get your Chinese-made Reagatron3000 at Walmart, today! … And… “May Divorce Be With You!” 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. I used to like Newt when he was against welfare queen and he was a pebble in Romney’s shoe…but it’s become clear that he just waddles to whoever puts out the slop.

    urbanleftbehind (18d1a3)

  54. In other words, in large part due to The Great Recession.

    No, if you took the time to look at the document before spouting off, you’d see the drop started well before then.

    Dave (1bb933)

  55. @51. Yes, he is most decidedly a steaming pile of Newt.

    Back in the late 80s or so, he gave a speech proclaiming NASA should have been shuttered and dissolved when the Apollo program ended. Then in ’12, when he was running for CiC, he crowed over its wonderous successes while campaigning… along the Florida space coast… calling for a moonbase by… 2020. Check your watch– six months left. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. Munroe (#48), I knew you could be counted on to reference my comment, totally ignore its contents, and offer up a snarky “whatabout.” You are as predictable as a stopped clock.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  57. 54. That’s an insult to stopped clocks; at least they’re right twice a day. 😛

    Gryph (08c844)

  58. DCSSA 50.

    I’m reminded- – always – of: ‘NEWT GINGRICH,

    What reminds me of Newt Gingrich, or what happened to Newt Gingrich is he “Trump baby” balloon.

    There was a drawing (a cartoon) of Newt Gingrich as a crying baby in diapers printed on the front page of the New York Daily News right after the 1995 government shutdown, and Chuck Schumer went on the floor of the House of Representatives with a big placard treating it like some impartial, factual commentary. What they wanted to do was shut Newt Gingrich up because he’d complained that he’d gone on that trip to Yitchak Rabin’s funeral, expecting to negotiate, but Bill Clinton refused to negotiate with him there on either leg of the trip (I think especially the way back) Bill Clinton spent his time playing hearts with Mort Zuckerberg, then-publisher of he New York Daily News.

    The point was Clinton intended this as a campaign issue in the 1996 presidential election. (He actually ran commercials about it way before, unnoticed by Republicans becuasese he avoided the New York, Los angeles, and DC television markets)

    It was Bill Clinton who had vetoed the continuing resolution, just like George Bush did in 1990. (Bush did it because of Ronald Reagan’s pledge, in his 1988 (and last) State of the Union message not to sign anotehr continuing resolution because of all the things, including nearly shutting down the New York Post, that had been put into the 1987 continuing resolution.) That veto hurt Bush but in 1995, the same thing hurt the Republicans. The explanation probably is that the public tended to blame whoever was more unreasonable, and Bill Clinton had carefully tailored his differences on spending with the Republicans so that they should be small, but also so the Republicans would still not agree, not quickly anyway..

    So anyway there was this Newt Gingrich as a baby cartoon, and Newt Gngrich stopped trying to clarify for the public what the truth was about the government shuitdown – and that Bill Clinton had misled him, had invited him on to the plane but refused to discuss the budget.

    Right before the year 2012 there was also another cartoon of Newt Gingrich as baby on the cover of the New Yorker – the old year, 2011, going out, and the new year, (which is always depicted as a baby)- 1994 – coming in.

    It wasn’t just any baby, though, but Newt Gingrich. (issue dated January 2, 2012)

    https://www.art.com/products/p13535298805-sa-i6459617/barry-blitt-the-new-yorker-cover-january-2-2012.htm

    You can place the mouse above the cartoon to see parts of it enlarged.

    Sammy Finkelman (9974e8)

  59. Democrats were demoralized after 8 years of Bush 43 and foreign wars, so they were ecstatic at Obama and whatever he accomplished. Similarly, Republicans were demoralized after Obama’s 8 years and what was essentially his domestic war on conservatism, so Trump has been a tonic for them (no matter what his policies or accomplishments are). Modern Americans have a history of swooning for politicians but IMO this isn’t a good idea. We shouldn’t adore our leaders.

    DRJ (15874d)

  60. Except it is mandatory still to adore Obama, the converse is true with trump, were still sandblasting our way out of this mess.

    Narciso (f8a289)

  61. Trump vs Biden will be a tough contest because it’s really a choice between going back to the relatively low scandal REPORTING days of the Obama administration

    FIFY

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  62. DRJ, I agree about the fallacy of swooning. I somehow have never felt that way and it’s served me well. I even watched Obama’s fabled Dem convention speech and felt…nothing.

    Once you swoon, hate is just around the corner. Why corrode your life with it?

    Patricia (3363ec)

  63. True.

    DRJ (15874d)


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