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6/12/2019

Juicebox Vox Millennial: Trump Sure Is Bizarre for Thinking Tractors Use the Internet

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:02 am



Juicebox Vox millennial Aaron Rupar:

You know what’s beyond parody? Some juicebox Vox millennial has never heard of tractors using the Internet, so he proclaims the notion “bizarre” based on his vast wealth of agricultural expertise. Meanwhile, it’s not bizarre at all.

[UPDATE: Auto-play video removed; click link to watch it.]

More:

Besides being able to drive themselves, tractors now-a-days have internet capability, which allows them to send data directly to the farmer.

“They can see all of their data almost in real-time,” Dorsey said. “They can see where the machine is located and how much fuel they’ve used, how hard their machines are working and how much cotton they’re pulling out of the field,” he added.

. . . .

“The landscape of agriculture has changed,” Dorsey said. “There are less people farming but they’re farming more acres so because of that you have to have bigger machines that can hold bigger pieces of equipment and can cover more ground,” he said.

The future of these monster-truck sized farm machines looks like they will continue to get smarter and smarter.

. . . .

“Most people don’t realize how complicated it is, so a lot of our farmers are making very very complicated decisions for their farm and their business and they are using data to do that and make sure in the smartest way possible that they are profitable and helping to feed everyone,” he said.

And still more:

Rapid urbanization, aging farm populations, and depleting rural labor resources pose serious threats to our global food security. As rural labor resources come under continued pressure, tractors are the answer. When available, tractors can work 40x faster and be significantly less expensive than off-farm labor. Most farmers, however, can’t afford to own their own tractors and most tractor service providers operate well below their potential.

Hello Tractor has developed a solution to address these problems. The company has developed a low-cost monitoring device that when placed on a tractor provides the owner with powerful software and analytics tools to ensure tractors are both profitable and properly cared for. The software connects tractor owners to farmers in need of tractor services – just like Uber for tractors. Hello Tractor also works with financial institutions and technicians to ensure tractor owners have the financing and spare parts needed to grow and protect their fleet. All of this work is being done to ensure that smallholder farmers have the resources they need to adapt and thrive in a rapidly changing global agricultural market.

Bizarre!

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

53 Responses to “Juicebox Vox Millennial: Trump Sure Is Bizarre for Thinking Tractors Use the Internet”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. That’s the lowest of hanging fruit, how about something on the trial by fire against Linda fairstein.

    Narciso (cf3695)

  3. Enough, Narciso. Get your own blog if you think you know so much.

    DRJ (15874d)

  4. Does justice matter any more, neither does free speech or religious liberty, because the left is doing it’s best to wipe it all out.

    Narciso (cf3695)

  5. You have mentioned justice more than once recently. We have a justice system. It is not perfect but it works reasonably well. Feel free to offer specific changes you want. (This blog is a good place to do that. Your own blog would be even better.) I suspect your problem isn’t with justice but with events you don’t like. That, sir, is life.

    DRJ (15874d)

  6. Aaron roper has been ignorant for a long time, but hes been cited here re this three year kabuki dance.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/linda-fairstein-speaks-in-her-own-defense-after-netflix-central-park-five-controversy/

    Narciso (cf3695)

  7. You simply do not understand the left.

    There is no such thing as truth, only political position. Hence facts do not matter.

    If Trump said tractors need to use the internet, that is bizarre.

    If Obama said it, it was a wise, sagacious and hip.

    We are living in Orwell’s 1984.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  8. Much like when he cited the epidemic of foot lopping doctors, or bidens insistence not to travel ever.

    Thise in the mid west are bitter clingers, except for the enlightened sky dragon wirshipers

    Narciso (cf3695)

  9. Using satellite transmissions to steer tractors dates back at least to the mid-1990s. I know this because a very good friend of mine helped pioneer this technology in his lab at Stanford.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  10. Do people at vox know anything, or is that the standard that yglesias and Klein instituted.

    Narciso (cf3695)

  11. Do people at vox know anything, or is that the standard that yglesias and Klein instituted.

    Remember what Ronald Reagan told us 55 years ago: “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

    JVW (54fd0b)

  12. Think progress and a dfl drone:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaron-rupar-0b560715

    Narciso (cf3695)

  13. There’s an interesting aspect to those increasingly high-tech tractors; they are increasingly a matter of proprietary licenses for software and general repair. And since there isn’t an authorized dealing in these behemoths in every town, that means that a breakdown can sideline a very expensive and vital piece of machinery for days at a time when hours are crucial. Furthermore, shipping a large and immobile piece of farm equipment to the nearest authorized repair service is a non-trivial exercise.

    Farmers are rebelling against this, and fighting for a “right to repair” that pits them against corporate lawyers. So far there seems o have been victories on both sides.

    C. S. P. Schofield (f7316d)

  14. I guess it didn’t occur to Aaron Rupar of Juicebox Vox that Fox Business cut away fdfrom DOnald Trump because they needed to pt something else on the air or itwas getting boring. And really, how would it save anything toi cut away after he said that. Its not like they would have expected what Donald Trump said to get cazier and crazier.

    As for the substance, I even had read something about tractors (or farmers in fields) needing or wanting to connect to the Internet. Rupar is not well informed..

    Also: Someone needs an ability to tell when it is highly unlikely that an assertion was just made up.

    If it sounds extremely bizarre, it’s probably NOT </b? made up becase a person wouldn't make that assertion without it having some sort of checkable basis because otherwise it would sound too bizarre to be true to the person who makes the assertion, and they woudn't say it. Even Donald Trump.

    So when Donald Trump says there's a secret deal in the works with Mexico in the works, there is indeed probably something there there. Even if it not exactly what he says.

    Sammy Finkelman (9974e8)

  15. Juicebox Vox millennial Aaron Rupar:

    Beyond parody — Fox Business cuts away from Trump’s speech right after he laments, bizarrely, that tractors can’t hook up to the internet pic.twitter.com/hbYoYm2UgO

    — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 11, 2019

    You know what’s beyond parody? Some juicebox Vox millennial has never heard of tractors using the Internet, so he proclaims the notion “bizarre” based on his vast wealth of agricultural expertise. Meanwhile, it’s not bizarre at all.

    The key was, Trump was talking about the Midwest not being able to use broadband for their tractors, because the Midwest has been treated badly. Of course that’s not how the connectivity to the tractors work. It’s LTE/Satellite/WiFi/Proprietary RF, not a series of tubes.

    TL;DR
    Trump didn’t know what he was babbling about, and a tweeter didn’t either.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  16. #7

    You simply do not understand the left.

    There is no such thing as truth, only political position. Hence facts do not matter.

    If Trump said tractors need to use the internet, that is bizarre.

    If Obama said it, it was a wise, sagacious and hip.

    We are living in Orwell’s 1984.

    Hm, I think this can be rephrased…Let me see.

    You simply do not understand the Trump Fan.

    There is no such thing as truth, only political position. Hence facts do not matter.

    If Trump said tractors need to use the internet, this was wise, sagacious and hip.

    If Obama said it, it was bizarre.

    We are living in Orwell’s 1984.

    Yes, that works. I just copy and paste this, swap some names around as needed, I can troll any blog.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  17. @13 This. My grandfather owned much of his own machinery in the 40s-80s and continually repaired it for years and years, but current farmers can’t do that and either can’t own their own tractors, which causes significant ongoing additional expense in already precarious economics, or have to have someone else do repairs, which causes different significant ongoing additional expense.

    @15 Broadband is a business. If there aren’t enough customers to justify building infrastructure in low population density areas, they aren’t going to do it. Government could do it, but it would go against the current Republican economic philosophy.

    Nic (896fdf)

  18. @7 *laughs* I believe it is on this very board where a conservative poster said he supported absolute dishonesty about everything as long as he got the results he wanted. There are people everywhere willing to ruthlessly disregard the truth in search of power. People on the left, people on the right. No political group has a monopoly on corrupt methods. “My side is the only pure one and their side is the only corrupt one.” is the biggest lie you can tell in politics, to yourself or to anyone else. There are people of the left who are ethically motivated, principled, and determined to do what they think is right, and there are people on the right who are ethically motivated, principled, and determined to do what they think is right. And there are people on both sides who are the opposite. Don’t lie to yourself about your side or theirs.

    Nic (896fdf)

  19. In the clipped video, Trump says “They have not treated the midwest well”

    Who is “they”?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  20. Why would Trump bemoan the lack of Internet access for tractors? Could it be that, in a speech in Council Bluffs, Iowa, he was trying to show local farmers that he feels and understands the pain of not having reliable Internet in rural areas? This reminds me of Bill Clinton.

    DRJ (15874d)

  21. Trump is less informed about ethanol. Cruz would have stopped the ethanol nonsense.

    mg (8cbc69)

  22. Cruz would have but I think Trump is well-informed about the politics of ethanol. I doubt he cares about ethanol policies or economic policies.

    DRJ (15874d)

  23. I agree DRJ. Trump is clueless about ethanol. It is such a waste of soil, water and energy.

    mg (8cbc69)

  24. Please don’t post auto-play videos, Patterico.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  25. Neither video auto-played for me. Do my computer settings affect that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  26. I had a conversation with Mr. Cruz right after winning the Iowa caucus and he thought ethanol was a beatable issue.

    mg (8cbc69)

  27. @15 Broadband is a business. If there aren’t enough customers to justify building infrastructure in low population density areas, they aren’t going to do it. Government could do it, but it would go against the current Republican economic philosophy

    Sure, not arguing that, but the broadband Trump seems to be talking about is unrelated to the connected farm equipment that he’s saying needs it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  28. Cruz was strong on ethanol, and I think it is a big part of why the GOP establishment accepted Trump instead of got behind Cruz. They wanted someone they could depend on to support the establishment when its interests (like ethanol) hurt the public. Trump came through for them when Cruz would not.

    DRJ (15874d)

  29. @ DRJ (#25): Yes, your browser settings certainly may affect whether embedded videos begin to auto-play, and whether they have sound. It’s the sound I object to most.

    I use Google Chrome; I’ve gone into its settings to alter the defaults so that all websites I visit are blocked from making sounds unless I’ve specifically white-listed them (by right-clicking on the area just to the left of the site name in my browser’s address field. (I also block them, by default from using my microphone, my webcam, any motion detectors (!), and Flash animations.)

    But this is a website I’ve white-listed as an exception, because I regularly listen to our host’s Sunday posts with religious music, and occasionally to other videos here as well.

    I don’t have the technical chops to guess intelligently as to why other readers (including you, DRJ) may not have the same experience. Other commenters may be able to educate us on this, but if not, surely Patterico’s web monkey can do that. (My guess is it’s not something he enabled, but something that was built into the video he’s linking.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  30. That video autostarts when you access the site.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  31. Video auto played for me, and like Beldar I’m running Chrome and a few extensions but have whitelisted this side.

    Bored Lawyer, one of the strangest aspects of politics these days is that people need to extrapolate cluelessness. You mentioned above that ‘you don’t understand the left’, but obviously this post took Vox to task and has criticized bias from the left in media for a long time.

    Maybe someone holding Trump to the same standard as Hillary seems like not understanding the left, because it seems naive to be fair, or maybe you genuinely believe Trump’s critics are necessarily hoping the GOP or conservative goals fail, but I think the problem is larger than that. Conservatives speak of ‘the left’ like it’s a cancer, but what the hell is the left specifically? These days, why wouldn’t the GOP be the left too?

    Dustin (6d7686)

  32. I have challenged many commenters here to define “the Left” and “Leftism.” All have declined. Better to whine incoherently than to stake a claim and attempt to defend it, I suppose.

    Leviticus (e9f012)

  33. antigun antireligion, antimilitary, antipolice, anticapitalism, anti rural those are the highlights,

    so booker wants to just register guns, like bill ayers recommends, gillebrand wants to brand prolife sentiments like racism, the others are rather easy to establish, the only free markets they indulge is in knick knacks for burning man, and certain intoxicants,

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. I have challenged many commenters here to define “the Left” and “Leftism.” All have declined.

    I wonder if you’ve been paying attention, Leviticus.

    Anyone who does not unquestioningly support Donald Trump in all matters is a Leftist.

    Justin Amash, for example.

    Dave (d524ac)

  35. I appreciate the definition, narciso, sincerely. At least I’ll know what you mean if you use the term.

    Leviticus (e9f012)

  36. now some wrinkles are interesting, and unaware to those in the public schools

    https://babalublog.com/2019/06/11/who-knew-che-guevara-was-a-gay-rights-champion/

    twitter banned this blog, for pointing out such things,

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. “twitter banned this blog, for pointing out such things”

    https://twitter.com/BabaluBloggers

    ???

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  38. for a time, now for example the posts mexico correspondent, miroff, is a very impartial sort, his father in law was a Cuban spymaster Camilo pineiro,

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. I have challenged many commenters here to define “the Left” and “Leftism.” All have declined. Better to whine incoherently than to stake a claim and attempt to defend it, I suppose.

    Leviticus (e9f012) — 6/12/2019 @ 1:56 pm

    I’m sure my definition isn’t satisfactory to most because I believe that if you want to expand government impact on our lives, either through tons of programs or through enormous deficit spending of any sort, you’re the left. There’s a social politics angle that I don’t think lines up at all with my metric. There are people who want sweeping conservative social policies, but will use tons of government to control those parts of our lives.

    To me, conservative is literally less. A conservative federal government would be the prescription for our huge, diverse society because I wouldn’t have to care as much if Hillary or Biden or Trump were president. They shouldn’t be that big of a problem.

    “But that’s not my role, so I can’t do that.” would be a great bumper sticker for my ideal politician, but these days people read Clarence Thomas and think he’s stupid instead of a principled conservative.

    Bottom line: Trump is the left, and he has been his whole life. When he praised tanks rolling over protestors, or Hillary’s presidential aspirations, or raised money for planned parenthood, or demanded to lock up his political opponents, fired his investigator, and screwed with our IRAs to bluff Mexico. Left left left.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  40. GPS ≠ internet access.

    I would pay a large amount of money to watch Trump try to operate a tractor, assuming his massive butt would fit in the seat.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  41. @39. Bottom line:…

    J.R. Ewing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. [UPDATE: Auto-play video removed; click link to watch it.]

    Patterico (115b1f)

  43. Thank you, sir (#42).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  44. DSCSA,

    JR is dead

    … or is he

    Dustin (6d7686)

  45. @44. LOL

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. He died some years ago, during the Dallas reboot, which had some interesting plot points about a certain drug cartel and certain govt agencies

    Narciso (b0b7ad)

  47. I own several pieces of new John Deere Construction equipment (Yellow) which is a little different from (Green) John Deere Ag. All come with the capability of monitoring and tracking software, but the difference is that Construction side realized that large scale operators need/demand to repair in house, and the JD Construction side needs to compete vs. Cat, Case, Komatsu, Hitachi, Doosan, Kubota, etc in the construction space so they work it out. But in the Ag sector, the competition is not so much.
    I declined the option of the upgrade due to cost vs. benefit. Also, on the software side, prudence would require the use of the JD tech because of the complexity and training the independent repair person needs to acquire and/or may not have a full grasp of. Its one of those issues where I’d feel best about going with the factory repair.
    I also own several new bare bones Komatsu mini excavators because they are a great machine priced well at 0% down and 0% interest.

    I’d love a cheap online alert when filters are dirty, oil levels low etc but right now the tail is wagging the dog and its cheaper to change filters etc on a HRS schedule whether you need to or not. LoJack theft protection is automatic if you borrow money (for free if it is Kubota) because they want to know where their machine is to repo.

    steveg (354706)

  48. The key was, Trump was talking about the Midwest not being able to use broadband for their tractors, because the Midwest has been treated badly. Of course that’s not how the connectivity to the tractors work. It’s LTE/Satellite/WiFi/Proprietary RF, not a series of tubes.

    Glad to know the tractor is not physically hooked up to tubes, total learning experience here for me!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  49. GPS ≠ internet access.

    But broadband is a kind of Internet access, and it is employed with tractors. Although not, Colonel Klink hastens to educate us, directly through a series of tubes.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  50. @15/@48. Speaking of learning experiences, it’s good to know the Moon is now a part of Mars. Check your star charts; recalibrating your sextant doesn’t mean what you think it does, Captain, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. The problem is I dont like too many tools internet accessible, it makes them subject to hacking.

    Narciso (b0b7ad)

  52. Nice try disco, you know he had planned this is out in 1948?

    https://youtu.be/JVPcRUUlov0

    Narciso (b0b7ad)

  53. @52. And to think he was only a stable two year old genius at the time; a whiz in his diapers and a stinker, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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