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3/7/2019

Have Christians Rejected The “Lesser Evil” By Redefining It As Good?

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:25 am



[guest post by Dana]

David French looks at the ease with which today’s Christians have worked overtime to rationalize our current president’s character which only decades earlier would have been easily condemned. Because we all want to be supporting something good:

There are theological implications to Trump rationalizations — especially in a movement so thick with Christian conservatives.

The redefinition of good character that we so often see on the Trump right reminds me of the powerful words contained in the Southern Baptist Convention’s 1998 resolution on the moral character of public officials. At the height of the Clinton scandals, the Baptists rightly declared, “Tolerance of serious wrong by leaders sears the conscience of the culture, spawns unrestrained immorality and lawlessness in the society, and surely results in God’s judgment.”

The interesting question is how does tolerance of wrong sear the conscience? The answer lies deep within human nature. It’s easy to justify a one-time event like a vote as a defensible choice between the lesser of two evils, but few people can stomach being a part of a movement that’s simply “less evil.” People want to be a part of something good. We want to be a part of something that we’re proud of, and we’ll go to great lengths to rationalize that movement even when its leaders turn out to be bad — especially when we see no way to purge those leaders and replace them with better men or women.

Older conservatives can’t forget the extent to which many Democrats not only defended Bill Clinton on the legal merits of the claims against him, but also the extent to which they attempted to change public attitudes about sexual morality. Having a mistress was suddenly no big deal, and parts of the cultural elite purported to long for the greater sophistication of the European public — where wives and mistresses could allegedly even know and respect each other. Younger progressives who’ve grown up in the era of heightened awareness of sexual power dynamics would be stunned at the arguments of their parents.

This same impulse is now at work on the Right. Republicans want to be proud of their president. They want to believe their movement isn’t just better than the Democrats, but that it’s actually good and decent and virtuous. And so they rationalize Trump. They make excuses. Make no mistake, there are many, many decent Republicans doing heroic work across the country and who see Trump clearly, but there are also too many Republicans who are busy trying to transform Trump’s vices into virtues. They’re rejecting the “lesser evil” by redefining it as good, and they’re damaging their credibility and Christian witness in the process.

No matter which camp a Christian and/or Republican might find themselves in, it’s always good to never, ever put a mere mortal on a pedestal, especially when it’s an effort to spin said mere mortal into a more palatable light. Obviously the risk of disappointment increases greatly when the recipient of such veneration is the sitting President of the United States. While the individual desperate to spin clearly has their own unaddressed issues to contend with, one can tell a lot by how a person reacts to being put upon a pedestal. The honest one will flat-out reject such efforts because they have faced their demons with a brutal clarity and that freedom allows them to accept their limitations. On the other hand, the shallow and dishonest person who has resisted any such examination of the soul will lap up the adulation because they believe they are deserving of it. This in spite of what lies beneath. And then they will crow about it, making sure that everyone knows how richly deserving of the worship they are. With the latter, it’s a win-win scenario: both parties end up feeling good about themselves and the relationship in which they have entered into with one another. No matter how dishonest it all might be.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

51 Responses to “Have Christians Rejected The “Lesser Evil” By Redefining It As Good?”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (023079)

  2. I consider myself a small government conservative. I value limited government, fiscal discipline and individual rights. I’m not a social conservative.

    There are a lot of conservative leaders who I no longer believe care about christian values or think having good values and character is an important trait in a leader. When the condemn immorality in the future I’ll probably assume that it’s because doing so supports some other thing they value.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  3. Well, unfortunately Jesus is not on the ballot. Given two choices, selecting the least objectionable of the two is NOT rationalizing. It’s doing the best with what we have.

    Cleve Watson (cc4807)

  4. “but there are also too many Republicans who are busy trying to transform Trump’s vices into virtues.”

    Examples? Who? Name them.

    Crickets.

    Trump has many vices. They aren’t virtues. A need to “feel proud of their president” is a vice. The founders would recoil at this peurile need to put members of government on a pedestal.

    Munroe (d1c730)

  5. “Examples? Who? Name them.”

    David Brody and Scott Lamb show you a side of Donald Trump that has never been fully explored before. The spiritual journey of our 45th president is a riveting narrative that every student of history needs to understand to get a complete picture of one of the most dynamic Americans to ever lead our nation.” (Newt Gingrich)

    “David Brody is among the best reporters in Washington, D.C. and the country. He has had unique access to President Trump and possesses the background necessary to understand and explain the 45th president’s beliefs and to accurately and completely recount –in the round– Donald Trump’s past and present religious convictions, and perhaps predict as well as anyone not named Trump what those beliefs and convictions will mean for the country in the years ahead. If you are serious about understanding President Trump, read this book.” (Hugh Hewitt)

    “David Brody and Scott Lamb have put together a concise, deep-dive look at our 45th president in a way that has never been done before. If you want to understand Donald Trump’s inner religious DNA and the Judeo Christian worldview that accompanies it, you’ve found the right book. Clever insight and exclusive interviews for the book with President Trump and Vice- President Pence give this literary work the gravitas that it deserves.” (Sean Hannity )

    https://www.whitehouseholidays.com/productv2.aspx?id=7014&gclid=Cj0KCQiApbzhBRDKARIsAIvZue-zqcT2dZz2G4FFtR8ssB98oEXFW5akeSqYnpNklRd-Lrw1FmG70_QaAhZSEALw_wcB

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  6. Obama’s religious mentor (Jeremiah “Bullfrog” Wright) schooled him on GD-ing America, blaming and castigating white folks, etc., and Clinton, Bible in hand, would nail anything on two feet.

    I’ll never look at a businessman as anything but a businessman.

    I value results and also note those who claim to be conserving conservatism while they throw in with the forces intent on America’s destruction.

    Colonel Haiku (e2ff85)

  7. The founders would recoil at this peurile need to put members of government on a pedestal.

    I haz to laugh. Trumpkins have Trump on top of Mt. Sinai.

    Can I haz cheezburger too?

    nk (dbc370)

  8. No Coke, Pepsi

    Colonel Haiku (e2ff85)

  9. Oh wow another piece bashing Trump voters, because you all are super principled and stuff. Hillary would have been soooooo much better. We could have watched her appoint multiple SC justices and socialize healthcare but still kept our yummy principles and noses in the air tho. We could have had parties celebrating ourselves for how good we were too. Ohhhhh yeahhhhh

    Mr Pink (3746eb)

  10. To answer mg: I guess the ghost of John Belushi stole Mitchy’s coke.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  11. Look at all these icky Christian people we despise over there! How can they support this monster! They should have voted for Clinton who supports killing babies born alive from an abortion because Donald trump likes to get laid and says mean things on Twitter!

    Mr Pink (3746eb)

  12. #memory deletion of kids creepily singing hymns to Obama and fainting at his rallies

    Omg how can these icky Christians vote for trump? They should have stayed home or supported whatever middle of the road blue blood we wanted like normal. The ones that lie about stopping illegal immigration and wanting to overturn Obamacare. They are in a cult and put him on a pedestal!

    #goes back to hating Christians normally and mocks them at dinner parties as rubes

    Never Trump idiot 598 (3746eb)

  13. It’s time for my new start up website. I’m going to form a right wing blog and then staff it full of left wingers claiming to be republicans who do nothing but bash Trump all day. Or call CPAC and pro life people stupid silly rubes. That’s a winning business model, and the market for people claiming to be republicans while doing nothing but sneering at them is ever growing! Hell look at any CNN segment they will usually have one, and I’ll have to say is “yes Cuomo is right!”

    Never Trump idiot 598 (3746eb)

  14. #goes back to hating Christians normally and mocks them at dinner parties as rubes

    Funny, Tucker Carlson admitted to behaving in the same manner with regard to Christian voters.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  15. “Or call CPAC and pro life people stupid silly rubes.”

    I’m sorry your feeling were hurt.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  16. Oh wow another piece bashing Trump voters, because you all are super principled and stuff. Hillary would have been soooooo much better. We could have watched her appoint multiple SC justices and socialize healthcare but still kept our yummy principles and noses in the air tho. We could have had parties celebrating ourselves for how good we were too. Ohhhhh yeahhhhh

    Mr Pink (3746eb) — 3/7/2019 @ 10:26 am

    Mr. Pink, this isn’t a post bashing Trump voters. It is a post attempting to look at what efforts some (French specifically poitns to Christians) believer make Trump look virtuous while ignoring his vices, and why they do it. As I’ve said before, many people voted for Trump because they believed him to be the lesser of two evils. I understand that. But a lot of those individuals didn’t then make Herculean efforts to rework Trump into someone he clearly isn’t. Christians are supposed to operate on a standard of behavior mandated by God, not their party or the person for whom they voted. There is a distinct difference. Or at least there should be.

    Dana (023079)

  17. Squidtastic!

    Colonel Haiku (e2ff85)

  18. Oh wow another piece bashing Trump voters, because you all are super principled and stuff. Hillary would have been soooooo much better.

    It was back in the primaries that Trump fans began showing a weirdly emotional, unconditional devotion to him personally. (“There’s nothing he could do that would make me stop supporting him,” said a caller on the Mark Levin show, e.g.) During the primaries, any criticism of Trump — even quoting his own false or obnoxious statements — began to be met by knee-jerk personal insults, usually with the insistence that the critic had to be a leftist (even if the critic favored, say, Ted Cruz).

    And it continues. Virtually every day I see people responding with blind rage to any suggestion that Trump has not been perfectly awesome and beyond reproach. It’s as though his fans thoroughly appropriated Trump’s own view of himself as supremely competent and wise, all-knowing, uniquely lacking any significant sin or fault. It’s as though their highest purpose in life is to defend the person of D. J. Trump, at all costs. It goes well beyond countering media bias from the left.

    Attaching cult-like hero-worship, along with the powers of the presidency, to someone who already worships himself is not a good thing in a constitutional republic. It isn’t healthy to take the position that this one person, wielding great power, ought to be exempt from criticism.

    Radegunda (694c3c)

  19. Good article. I’m going to download it.

    Puggle (a084b1)

  20. It would have been nice if Mr. French (and Mr. Goldberg, in the predecessor post linked in Mr. French’s post) had provided some examples of their complaint. I have to admit that I don’t recall ever having seen any serious Christian speaker or writer claim that the virtues of Mr. Trump’s policies and accomplishments somehow morally negated the evils of his personal vices of character, whatever they may now be.

    All anyone has insisted (so far as I know) is that the evil of Trump’s vices doesn’t negate the good of his accomplishments, either, and that it is morally permissible to be proud and admiring of one who has fought for you and with you without canonizing them as perfect. More to the point, if someone has fought for you, most people would consider it morally obligatory to fight at least in some capacity for them. We shouldn’t put our leaders on pedestals, but neither is it generally a good idea to let others knock them off their podiums at the slightest excuse, or they’ll never be able to do the jobs we need them to do — even the slave who whispered, “Sic transit gloria mundi,” into the Emperor’s ear on the victory chariot didn’t yell it so loudly as to startle the Emperor into falling off before the crowd.

    It seems likely to me that Messrs. Goldberg and French have fallen victim to the prevalent and universal temptation of the Internet: the temptation to use any inconsistency in an opponent’s stance they can find as proof of the stance’s logical invalidity, or the opponents’ poor character or hypocrisy. In other words, Bulverism has once again reared its ugly head.

    Stephen J. (308ea7)

  21. Yeah ok I’m reacting in blind rage to constant trump bashing articles. Sure, I don’t just roll my eyes and laugh. Nope I get super mad!

    Never Trump idiot 598 (3746eb)

  22. Look at all these icky Christian people we despise over there! How can they support this monster! They should have voted for Clinton who supports killing babies born alive from an abortion because Donald trump likes to get laid and says mean things on Twitter!

    When I see Christian speaking critically about unchristian things Trump does and says I’ll believe that they care about those things. When i don’t see that I assume they don’t care about those things.

    You can still vote for him and support him specific areas and criticize him. I assume people that don’t do that really don’t care about those values.

    Time123 (a7a01b)

  23. All anyone has insisted (so far as I know) is that the evil of Trump’s vices doesn’t negate the good of his accomplishments,

    I’ve seen a lot of sneering at the “nice guys” and “principled people” etc. who allegedly never got anything accomplished (which is false), with the clear implication that their virtue was a weakness and that we really needed someone unconstrained by virtue to “get things done,” or at least “fight back.”

    And the many people who reflexively jump up trying to shoot down the slightest criticism of Trump, or more often just to snipe at the critic, are effectively taking the stance that Trump never does anything that justifies criticism.

    Radegunda (694c3c)

  24. Turn the other cheek; then spank it w/a copy of Forbes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. Never Trump idiot 598 (3746eb)
    Mr Pink (3746eb)

    Sock puppetry is greatly frowned upon here.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  26. Yeah ok I’m reacting in blind rage to constant trump bashing articles. Sure, I don’t just roll my eyes and laugh. Nope I get super mad!

    Who said I was speaking about you?

    I’m speaking of a bizarre pattern I saw beginning in 2005, when Trump was still getting gentle treatment from the mass media (and lots of neutral air time): I saw that Trump fans were extraordinarily hostile to any criticism of their idol, unwilling to debate pros and cons, adamantly opposed to considering the possibility that some other GOP candidate might be better. People who didn’t want Trump to get the nomination were essentially tagged as enemies of “real” America.

    Blind rage is indeed what I see in the people who show up on certain websites practically every day just to lob insults at whoever posted anything slightly unflattering to Trump — or not sufficiently unqualified in praising Trump. No need to refute anything, apparently: just insist that anyone who doesn’t revere Trump is a bad person and merits no credence.

    Radegunda (694c3c)

  27. a bizarre pattern I saw beginning in 2015 ….

    Radegunda (694c3c)

  28. All anyone has insisted (so far as I know) is that the evil of Trump’s vices doesn’t negate the good of his accomplishments,

    I’ve seen at least one “Trump intellectual” say explicitly that what we needed was not a nice guy, but a fighter. (Somehow the question of what he will resolutely fight for is secondary.)

    Radegunda (694c3c)

  29. It is refreshing to see someone push back and not just sit back, hunker down and take it.

    Colonel Haiku (e2ff85)

  30. Thanks, Chuck Bartowski, I missed that. Consider yourself cautioned about sock puppetry here, Mr. Pink.

    Also, Mr. Pink (aka Never Trump idiot 598), neither David French (nor myself) have suggested that Trump voters are idiots. As such, I would appreciate you not suggest that those of us willing to explore the virtuous spin of Trump by Christians are idiots.

    Dana (023079)

  31. 34. Quite to the contrary, Dana. I am absolutely positive that Trump’s most vociferous supporters know better than to think that Trump is in any way shape or form virtuous. They know better, indeed. They just don’t care.

    Gryph (08c844)

  32. Trump is now losing the support of the anti-immigration extremists, because he said he favored more legal immigration. In particular Lou Dobbs and Matt Drudge (although Drudge has several issues) – and he’s already lost Ann Coulter because of some provisions in the bill that re-opened the government that he signed.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/432993-lou-dobbs-trump-white-house-has-lost-its-way

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  33. 36. Some of us warned the Trump voters that it would only be a matter of time before he disappointed/betrayed them. #Toldyaso

    Gryph (08c844)

  34. Trump has now said in his CPAC speech:

    But — and there will be some people in the room that don’t like this: We’re down to 3.7 percent unemployment — the lowest number in a long time. But think of this: I got all these companies moving in. They need workers. We have to bring people into our country to work these great plants that are opening up all over the place.

    This was not necessarily what I was saying during the campaign because I never knew we would be as successful as we’ve been.

    Companies are roaring back into our country, and now we want people to come in. We need workers to come in, but they’ve got to come in legally, and they’ve got to come in through merit, merit, merit. [Audience Chants USA]

    They’ve got to come in through merit. They have to be people that can help us. They have to be people that can love our country, not hate our country. We have people in Congress — right now, we have people in Congress that hate our country. [Audience Boos]

    Because of that, which isn’t even true – where do you see that he has any such legislation to endorse that would do such a thing?

    Because of that all the evil statements he made in thaty speech are ignored by some people. Trump is learning that there can be no compromise with evil. Evil always wants pure allegiance..

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  35. Dana… “No matter which camp a Christian and/or Republican might find themselves in, it’s always good to never, ever put a mere mortal on a pedestal, especially when it’s an effort to spin said mere mortal into a more palatable light. ”

    This is definitely a societal desire to hold our elected officials to such high standards.

    Which is why politicians always seems to disappoint us. 😉

    From my perspective in Red State Missouri… most religious righties I know absolutely acknowledge Trump’s flaws and I would hazard a guess that most Trump voters are more of the transactional Trump supports rather than the rabid Trump supporters.

    So, while recognizing that Trump is a very flawed individual…those flaws are, for the lack of a better word, “hand waved away” simply because we want to support Trump’s efforts to deliver on the general Republican/Conservative policies.

    I have a retort to those who mock some of Trump’s successes, such “He Fights” or “But Gorsuch!”.

    For me, it’s really: Not Hillary!

    I think Trump gets a lot of mulligan from the traditional religious GOP voters simply because he beat Hillary.

    This is not to absolve Trump of his flaws, but its more about the recognition that life deals us with the cards we have to play with.

    I certainly hope that in future GOP primaries, Trump’s election is used as a lesson for voters to elect better politicians.

    whembly (51f28e)

  36. well mostly the right flank couldn’t stomach ted cruz, otherwise they would have consolidated support from the beginning,

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. And yes, he made statements that were evil in that speech.

    Here are some of his evil statements in the same speech, later:

    And all the nonsense you hear about “the people that come in illegally are far better than the people we have” — it’s not true, folks. Okay? It’s false. It’s false propaganda. Right? One recent study from FAIR — F-A-I-R — found that illegal aliens are incarcerated at three times the rate of legal residents.

    [I hope I don’t need to point out that that’s a really misleading statistic. By legal residents, it doesn’t mean all people in the United States but legal immigrants. Who often are highly educated etc. SF]

    Those are the numbers. And if you look at prison population in federal prisons, these federal prisons are — the number is staggering. The number of illegals — far, far, far greater than any proportion of our population. But you don’t hear that; you hear like these people are the greatest people in the world.

    [You remember hearing that? You could legitimately say that, but it is not really being said by anybody. The incarceration also is often for immigration related crimes.

    And yes, they are better than the people at the same income levels living in the same places born in the United States, because a life of crime can only be incubated in a developed country, and Donald Trump, being a New Yorker in the real estate business, should know that.]

    Just ask the Angel Moms how good are there. Those great Angel Moms who were treated so badly — so badly. Incredible people. But the simple reality is that every crime committed by an illegal immigrant is a crime that should never have happened in the first place. The border crisis is also a heartbreaking humanitarian tragedy…

    With thsi Angel Mom business he’s asserting the moral equivalent fo racism. Not racism – the moral equivalent. This distinction is important.

    Not clear to whom the humanitarian crisis applies here. The humanitarian crisis is with the migrant, but wouldn’t everyone here agree Trump is trying to imply it’s with the American victims of the migrant criminals?

    ….But in those caravans you have stone-cold killers. You had the interview done by some innocent person who I think is actually back there now. “And what is it that you want asylum for? Why are you coming to America?” “Uh, murder.” She goes, “What?” “Murder.” I mean, what’s going on is incredible. And when those caravans are formed, do you think those countries that we used to give a lot of money to — I’ve cut it way back.

    I’ve cut it way back. Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador. Do you think they’re giving us, as we say, their best and their finest? “Oh, let’s send our best people up to America. Let’s have our best people go in the caravan so we can give America our greatest people.” No, no, no, no.
    They give us some very bad people.

    [Now it is a conspiracy by the governments of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador to send criminals to the United States?? They must really be up on the ball, these governments. Too bad they’re not up on the ball with regard to everything else. Actually, what he is proposing is that United States send criminals to Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador because they were born there, even if they didn’t grow up and become criminals there.]

    People with big, long crime records. People with tremendous violence in their past. Murderers, killers, drug dealers, human traffickers. They want to keep their good people because they’re smart. It’s so sad to see how stupid we’ve been. Border Patrol recently reported apprehending 7,000 unlawful migrants in a single week on just one part of the Texas border, a couple of weeks ago. …

    [So now unlawful migrants = people with big, long crime records and with tremendous violence in their past?

    What a liar!

    You won’t catch the Democrats challenging him on that, though.]

    And we want to end catch-and-release. We catch them, we realize they’re a criminal, and we have to release them. Think of this: They come onto our land, they put one foot on our land. We now have to take them through a massive court trial. Who does this? Other countries say, “Get the hell out of here.” We have to take them through court.

    So here he not only is this against the principle of equal justice under law, he’s lying, because the people who commit violent crimes who are also illegal immigrants overwhelmingly became that way in the United States where they grew up, except maybe for some people, involved in other crimes, who as part of a criminal conspiracy incidently come to the United States and if CBE had less to bother about they might possibly have an easier time screening against them.

    The people in the caravans are not criminals; they’re running away from criminals, sometimes forced to leave by criminals who say if they poay them to go to the United States they won’t extort them any more, or they offer it as an alternative to joining a gang, and I seriously doubt there is anybody who asked to be rewarded for committing murder. That only happens with the Palestinian Authority.

    And those who are known to be criminals can be selectively detained. Really. I mean it. There is a limit on the number of peole they can hold – but there’s nothing forcing the release of people who are known to be really bad people.

    And if his administration is doing that, well, they don’t have to, but maybe it is just that the only “crime” they are interested in is illegal immigration and they’re not interested in “fine” distinctions..

    But it seems like it doesn’t matter that Donald Trump trafficked in misleading statistics to create false stereotypes, and in outright lies, because he also said, in that same speech, that there should bne some (more) legal immigration. And even conditioned it on them not hating the United States.

    No good for him – it’s not pure evil.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  38. The veneer of sanity: President Philip Francis Queeg.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. They know better, indeed. They just don’t care.

    That sums it up well. He’s a lying scumbag, but he’s our lying scumbag.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  40. I think a lot of Trump suporters are simply not aware of a lot of the problems with him. They may also be aware of his positions on a few issues.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  41. 40. That’s one way of looking at it. Although I don’t think that’s the explanation for all the crazy things he says: We’ll get so many jobs immigranst will haver to fill them. Governments in Central Amerixca conspiring to send criminals here. 7,000 peole detained for corssing the border arrested are all criminals. Someone aske3d fror asylum because she murdered someone.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  42. Trump himself argies he’s done nothing but good (as defined by conservatives)

    You have Never Trumpers; you have certain hardline. They’re basically dishonest people — because, look, let’s face it: Whether you like me or not — if my name is Smith instead of Trump, and if you told him I put in over 100 federal judges — it’ll soon be 145 federal judges and 2 Supreme Court judges.

    And 17 appellate division judges. That we’ve got the best economy maybe in our history. That we’ve got the best employment numbers and unemployment numbers in our history. That we’ve cut more regulations in two years than any President has ever done, whether it’s for eight or
    beyond. That we’ve taken care of our military with — — $1.7 billion.

    Think of that. Think of what we did. Think of what we did with our military. Think of the numbers that we have for our military. We have numbers — nobody has ever heard of these numbers before. And you know, part of the problem that we have — because I’m a cost cutter. But — and you are all cost cutters….

    …And, by the way, as of probably today or tomorrow, we will actually have 100 percent of the caliphate in Syria. One hundred percent. One hundred percent. And we’ll leave a small group of guys and gals. But we want to bring our people back home. We want to bring our people back home. It’s
    time.

    Then he goes into a big riff on the White House and how he stayed there alone etc.

    Built in 1799, but wouldn’t be considered old by the Chinese leader, where they have (8,000 year old houses? He said civilization.).

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  43. “It was back in the primaries that Clinton/Obama/Trump fans began showing a weirdly emotional, unconditional devotion to him personally.”

    Fyp

    harkin (58beea)

  44. 44. I’d be happy to explain my problems with him. True-Trump-believers don’t want to hear it. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, ya know?

    Gryph (08c844)

  45. One $#!t sandwich comes with the $#!t on the side. The other comes slathered in the $#!t.
    To many Christians, Trump comes with a side of $#!t. Hillary was $#!t through and through. If she was in charge every Christian baker would have to bake (which is fine) and decorate (which is not). So it is no great thing to find a lot of Christians applaud Trumps goodness in this and in choosing judges who will protect them

    steveg (a9dcab)

  46. 49. I wonder if you are familiar with the concept of “damning with faint praise?”

    Gryph (08c844)

  47. Oh wow another piece bashing Trump voters, because you all are super principled and stuff. Hillary would have been soooooo much better. We could have watched her appoint multiple SC justices and socialize healthcare but still kept our yummy principles and noses in the air tho. We could have had parties celebrating ourselves for how good we were too. Ohhhhh yeahhhhh

    I thought you were gone. Here, let me help you. Goodbye.

    Patterico (115b1f)


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