President Trump Declares National Emergency On Southern Border (Update Added)
[guest post by Dana]
This morning, President Trump announced that he was declaring a national emergency on the Southern border. By doing this, it would allow him to access more funding money for his wall than what was in the compromise bill. Also, signing the bill would prevent another government shutdown:
President Trump declared a national emergency at the border on Friday to access billions of dollars to build a border wall that Congress refused to give him, transforming a highly charged policy dispute into a fundamental confrontation over separation of powers.
In a televised announcement in the Rose Garden, Mr. Trump said he would sign the declaration to protect the country from the flow of drugs, criminals and illegal immigrants coming across the border from Mexico, which he characterized as a profound threat to national security.
“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border and we’re going to do it one way or the other,” he said. “It’s an invasion,” he added. “We have an invasion of drugs and criminals coming into our country.”
But as he sought to deny that he was taking action because he could not persuade Congress to give him the money, he may have undercut his own argument that the border situation required urgent unilateral action. “I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it faster,” he said. “I want to get it done faster, that’s all.”
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The border emergency declaration, which Mr. Trump signed later in the day, enables Mr. Trump to divert $3.6 billion budgeted for military construction projects to the border wall, White House officials said. Mr. Trump will also use more traditional presidential budgetary discretion to tap $2.5 billion from counternarcotics programs and $600 million from a Treasury Department asset forfeiture fund.
Combined with the $1.375 billion authorized for fencing in a spending package passed by Congress on Thursday night, Mr. Trump would then have about $8 billion in all to advance construction of new barriers and repairs or replacement of existing barriers along the border this year, significantly more than the $5.7 billion that Congress refused to give him.
When the news came out yesterday that President Trump was planning on signing the compromise border security measure as well as declaring a national emergency in order to get more funding than the bill allotted, Republican senators voiced concerns about Constitutional violations and bypassing Congress:
“I wish he wouldn’t have done it,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who McConnell interrupted on the Senate floor to make his announcement. “If [Trump] figures that Congress didn’t do enough and he’s got to do it, then I imagine we’ll find out whether he’s got the authority to do it by the courts.”
“In general, I’m not for running the government by emergency, nor spending money. The Constitution’s pretty clear: spending originates and is directed by Congress,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who like almost everyone else on Capitol Hill wants more information. “So I’m not really for it.”
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“I’m not enthusiastic about it, but I don’t know whether that’s actually going to happen, and if so, what follows from there. I don’t know what authority he may or may not invoke,” said Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.).
“I have some concerns,” added Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.). “There are ways you could transfer funds that I could be fully supportive of, and there are other ways that I’d have a lot of problems with.”
“I always kind of take pause to the assertion of executive power,” said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.). “The main reason is it could detract attention away from the long-term solution that can only occur through an act of Congress.”
Sen. Marco Rubio also pushed back and warned about thwarting the Constitution:
We have a crisis at our southern border, but no crisis justifies violating the Constitution.
And here’s Susan Collins on the issue:
“I think it’s a mistake,” said Sen. Susan Collins, Republican of Maine. “The National Emergencies Act was contemplated to apply to natural disasters or catastrophic events such as the attacks on our country on 9/11. For the President to use it to re-purpose billions of dollars, that Congress has appropriated for other purposes that has previously signed into law, strikes me as undermining the appropriations process, the will of Congress and being of dubious constitutionality.”
The bill itself contains limitations that run counter to President Trump’s overall immigration wants.
Given Nancy Pelosi’s warning that the national emergency tables could eventually be turned against Republicans if the president went this route, we can be fairly certain now that this will happen:
“If the president can declare an emergency on something he has created as an emergency, an illusion that he wants to convey, just think about what a president with different values can present to the American people,” Pelosi said.
“You want to talk about a national emergency? Let’s talk about today,” Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.
She said the shooting was “another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America.”
“That’s a national emergency. Why don’t you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would,” she said. “But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well.”
The “national emergencies” that would seem to fit the bill for the Democrats might include climate change, income inequality, gun violence, and/or the opioid crisis.
Pelosi and Chuck Schumer together said:
“Declaring a national emergency would be a lawless act, a gross abuse of power of the presidency and a desperate attempt to distract from the fact that President Trump broke his core promise to have Mexico pay for his wall. It is yet another demonstration of President Trump’s naked contempt for the rule of law.
Oh, yeah, and this:
Sarah Sanders told reporters that the president has already signed the bill.
UPDATE: David French has written a great “lawsplainer” regarding President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency. It is well worth reading in its entirety. Insightful and clarifying.
One thing that is abundantly clear from reading the full text of President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency on the southern border — he’s barely even deigning to explain why there is a particular crisis today, or why that crisis is so grave that it requires the military to combat it. At its heart it’s a contemptuous document. It’s the proclamation of a monarch, not an argument by a president. And it should fail in court.
Before today, legal writers were guessing at the statutes the president would use to justify defying the will of Congress and using the military to build his border wall. Now we know. In his declaration, he’s exclusively using 10 U.S.C. 2808 to reallocate up to $3.6 billion from Department of Defense construction projects — more than double the amount that Congress allocated for wall construction in its border compromise. (He intends to use other funds as well for wall construction, but those aren’t applicable to the emergency declaration.)
This statute bears virtually no resemblance to the sweeping congressional grants of presidential discretion that allowed Trump to lawfully implement his travel ban or that allow presidents to declare national emergencies. Instead, it’s a much more carefully drafted law, with carefully defined terms. A court that does its job — applying the plain meaning of the words on the page — should have little patience for the Trump administration’s arguments.
I do not dispute that Trump likely can declare a national emergency, in large part because Congress has placed few meaningful restraints on that power, but such declarations don’t allow him to do anything he wants; they mainly serve to unlock other statutes which grant him other powers.
Read the whole thing.
(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)
–Dana
Nose, nose, anything goes!
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:02 pm>and/or the opioid crisis.
there’s a decent argument for that one which could probably find support on a bipartisan basis.
still would be much better for congress to put together a plan and appropriate the money, rather than the president simply going off half-cocked.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:03 pmwell yeah this is what happens when your corrupt piggy military is unauditable
their whole sleazy business model relies on having money sloshing around in different buckets for so mere civilians can’t say boo when it gets spent on whatever our sleazy generals feel like frittering it away on
at least this time we’ll get a nice beautiful infrastructure, tall and sturdy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:05 pm(after the piggy corrupt generals take their cut i assume)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:08 pmNo other Republican we could vote for that would’ve done even half of the positive things Trump has.
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:13 pmdid you see the Chamber of Commerce made tinkle in its panties cause of this Mr. Colonel
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:13 pmMembers of the Academy…
‘For Your Consideration’– “The Presser.”
It’s Oscar season and today our Captain’s performance was full-speed-Queeg. Though some reviews are mixed…
“The only national emergency is our president is an idiot.” – Ann Coulter, conservative unicorn, 2-15-19
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:14 pmmmmm
smelleh
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:15 pm2… people must want to be helped and be active participants in that assistance. Darwin Principle must be invoked at some point.
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:15 pmSo, that Trump used executive privilege to get more money because Congress said no to giving him any more, doesn’t bother you guys??
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:27 pmThis x100:
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:30 pm@10. LOL Bitcoin or confederate script; Wile E. Coyote will never break into an Acme Safe.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:36 pm10. It bothers the s**t out of me, but this is a shining example of vindication in my decision not to vote for Trump.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:40 pmHeh.
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:41 pmFor those who are down with Trump doing this, all the clamoring and outrage when Obama made his power grab was just for show, eh??
There is only a slight sliver of daylight between today’s Republicans and Democrats.
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:45 pm15. A slight sliver of daylight, eh? I think that’s being too generous to the Republicans. I don’t think there’s a dime’s worth of difference.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:46 pmColonel Haiku, so I take it you are in favor of establishing the precedent that appropriations need not come from Congress, and that the President can announce that a decades-old situation is now an “emergency” that he is entitled to spend money on without Congressional authorization?
This is a bad precedent that goes a long way to undermining the already problematic balance of power between the branches of government.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:47 pm“I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster”
Things you definitely say when there’s an emergency.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:51 pm#17
jb (5de1a2) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:55 pmThey had caravans continuously decades ago?
They had fentanyl decades ago?
17. I am not in favor of this, but let’s be honest here. Donald Trump is simply Barack Obama with an R after his name. He’s a bastard, but to the Republican electorate, at least he’s their bastard. I’m not happy about the jubilation over this, but I understand it nonetheless.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:56 pmFentanyl is related to border security how? *puzzled look*
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:56 pmAh, I see. the implication is that the widespread fentanyl crisis justifies declaring an emergency to build a wall, but of course that depends on the assertion that the crack crisis of the 1980s and the meth crisis of the 00s weren’t bad enough to be an emergency but this crisis is. I don’t think that’s a supportable assertion, myself.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:57 pmGryph, I appreciate where you’re coming from but late-term abortion still remains as the last dividing line between Republicans and Democrats, wouldn’t you say?
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:58 pm23. Oh yeah. Let’s jump for joy that some Republicans still believe that being against the murder of innocents is a winning electoral strategy. Forgive my cynicism, but I’ve been screwed over one too many times to believe I won’t get screwed over on that issue as well.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 12:59 pmAs for caravans – maybe not, but apprehensions are currently at the lowest they’ve been in more than forty years. https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/sw-border-apprehensions-by-fiscal-year.jpg
unless you’re going to allege that we’ve actually been in an emergency since 1972 and nobody’s noticed, you need to come up with some reason why there’s more of an emergency *now* than there was at any point during those intervening years — at least, you do if you want to persuade anyone that the emergency is real.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:00 pmRemember, the USA had an election a few months ago. Trump doesn’t like the results so he is ignoring it. That’s after winning the presidency on a technicality… he lost the actual vote by millions. The GOP’s going to be trying to recover from Trump for at least a generation.
I want a wall. Maybe not a literal towering wall for the entire border, but more or less, I want a wall. We aren’t getting one right now, and Trump is trying to instigate a fight with this extraordinary action. This issue is being used to distract us from the climax in his corruption scandal. He’s lucky the democrats are handling this rather poorly and not understanding the big picture. They let him change the subject whenever he wants.
Dustin (6d7686) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:01 pm22. Besides that, most of the fentanyl spilling into our borders comes from China, not Mexico.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:01 pmI’m not jumping for joy, certainly, but I am thankful there remains one issue where Republicans haven’t yet whored themselves out to the highest bidder.
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:01 pm@26. “I want a wall.”
I want a moon base.
The majority of the country wants neither.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:09 pmDeclaring a “National Emergency” was the correct move; signing the Spending Bill was not; not after the addition of the “poison pills” – it should have been vetoed specifically citing those “pills”, and who inserted them.
askeptic (728656) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:14 pmI, for one, am very glad Trump is doing this. Not because I think he has the authority to do do, but because it will now be litigated and finally (settled law! /sarc) decided, so future POTUS’ can just forget about following suit.
Dustin, I love you man, but the Electoral college is not a technicality. The Electoral College keeps a single, very populous, state from deciding the Presidency for the rest of the county.
felipe (5b25e2) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:19 pmyou’d think this was self evident. But in the “me” era,
felipe (5b25e2) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:23 pmdamnkill the next generation.Yes but much like with what happened when cold medicines and other precursor drugs were pulled behind the pharmacy glass counter to deter hometown meth labs, the cooking of the drug increasingly takes place down below the border and is snuck in as finished product. China is shipping fentynal more to industrial scale labs in Mexico than to the US in recent months.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:24 pmJim Geraghty
@jimgeraghty
The New York Times, June 27, 2018: “President Trump has falsely claimed at least two dozen times since taking office that Democrats want to open American borders.”
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Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
Beto O’Rourke when asked, since Rep.
@DanCrenshawTX
asked on Twitter, if he would tear down the walls that are already in place: Yes and I think a referendum to do so would pass.
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Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
Dems: We’re not for open borders, we just don’t want more walls.
Beto: LEEROY JEEEENNNNKKINSSS!
harkin (a92711) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:25 pm__
YESSS!!! The ol’ Pull the Needle Out of Your Arm….I dont remember who in 2016 on this site said something exactly like that, but that was one of the greatest quotes evah on here.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:27 pmJeb Trump
mg (8cbc69) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:27 pmThe optics would have been better if the uni-party overrides the veto.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:29 pmYou’re right. I was being a bit sarcastic. That said, most American voters opposed Trump in the presidential election, and they again rejected him in the most recent election. Trump’s actions today override their votes, and his own presidency also overrided their actual votes (however you wish to characterize it).
These things create a tension between the people and the government, and also push for major changes to our election system. But also, there’s a real sense that the GOP opposes the people. It is only because the democrats are so wildly out of touch with common values that the GOP is even relevant today. Both parties are treating the other’s mistakes as an opportunity to be worse, instead of an opportunity to fix the real issue.
I also am tired of Trump making so much noise on immigration, for years. It’s clear to me he doesn’t actually care about the issue, and hopes to let it fester because he’s branded himself the cure. We all knew his time to do stuff was the first two years of office.
Dustin (6d7686) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:37 pm37. This tension you speak of between people and the government would be somewhat alleviated if we repealed the 16th and 17th amendments and let our federal government function as its founders intended. Until that happens, don’t count on anything getting any better.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:39 pmI want both of those things, actually.
I think a lot of people don’t understand what the wall can accomplish. It’s being sold as a cure to illegal immigration, at the cost of mass death, and this is idiotic on both sides.
If you live near the border, a wall provides security. A wall helps shape illegal activity to places that are more easily policed. In places where the wall is not practical, there are many solutions available that only really are effective if you do have a wall elsewhere.
Obama should have used his ginormous stimulus spending on something like a wall, but of course, those on the left want illegal immigration because that helps them politically. It’s cynical, but importing dependency means more votes for their politicians. This is fundamentally undemocratic… it’s overruling the democracy by flooding the gates with new voters.
Polls are BS. Trump did win the presidency because voters were sick of the GOP and the democrats failing to enforce our immigration laws. I personally see shutting down illegal immigration as step one in opening up legal immigration of English speaking, law abiding, tax paying people who want a better life for their families. We owe it to ourselves to make this country as good as it can be. Illegal immigration is definitely not the way to do that.
Dustin (6d7686) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:42 pm“Given Nancy Pelosi’s warning that the national emergency tables could eventually be turned against Republicans if the president went this route, we can be fairly certain now that this will happen:”
The warning is valid only in theory. Practically, it’s ridiculous.
Wide latitude is given, and should, for national emergencies targeting external threats.
The problem for Pelosi and the Democrats is that the only problem worth targeting for them are law abiding U.S. citizens.
Munroe (8e217b) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:49 pm33… I finally saw that YouTube video, harkin. Funny schiff!
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 1:56 pmThis, by Charles Cooke, was written in response to Obama’s power grab, and the possibility of a Republican president doing likewise in the future:
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:00 pm“Colonel Haiku, so I take it you are in favor of establishing the precedent that appropriations need not come from Congress, and that the President can announce that a decades-old situation is now an “emergency” that he is entitled to spend money on without Congressional authorization?“
When the “loyal opposition” (which, let’s not kid ourselves, includes the MSM) is doing its best to promote an invasion across our southern border, yes, Aphrael, you’re damned right I do.
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:02 pm42. Constitutional “norms” went out the door in 1913 with the 16th and 17th amendments, as well as the establishment of a Federal Reserve that has ZERO constitutional authority for even existing. If we’re going to fix the problem, we first require a proper diagnosis. It didn’t start with Obama, and it won’t end with Trump.
Gryph (08c844) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:04 pmthe important things is the wall, it is a very good wall
a wall that keeps the babies safe at night
a wall that augurs happy tomorrows
so ronny and bobby and ricky and mike
if i like the wall who cares who you like
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:25 pm“When the “loyal opposition” (which, let’s not kid ourselves, includes the MSM) is doing its best to promote an invasion across our southern border”
This isn’t true, however. Border crossings are at historic lows:
https://www.businessinsider.com/border-crossings-arrests-trump-historic-low-data-charts-2018-4
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:28 pmcompelling chart
NOT!
hah i said NOT to indicate that in fact your chart is NOT compelling
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:30 pm“Constitutional “norms” went out the door in 1913 with the 16th and 17th amendments”
Amendments are, by definition, constitutional. Also, the 17th amendment is an objective improvement, because it prevents senatorial appointments from being gerrymandered.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:30 pm48. I didn’t say it was unconstitutional. I said it was not the way the framers intended the constitution to work. And the insistence of the electorate that the way of doing things now is better, is why I hold out little hope for the future of our republic.
Gryph (5efbad) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:35 pm“I said it was not the way the framers intended the constitution to work.”
The framers intended that the constitution be able to be amended. Working as designed.
Also, guess the author:
“Look, the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot.”
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:44 pm“With arrests along the border exceeding 2,000 per day and record numbers of family groups arriving, Guatemala last month replaced Mexico as the top source of migrants crossing the border illegally for the first time on record, according to Customs and Border Protection…….
……Like other smuggling offers in Guatemala, children pay only when they travel alone, without a parent or guardian. When they come with an adult, they travel free.
That has become the smugglers’ pitch in the months since President Donald Trump imposed — and later repealed under intense public pressure — a separation system at the border to split parents from their children. Since then, word has spread across Central America that adults who arrive with children have the best chance at avoiding U.S. detention and deportation.”
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/on-remote-new-mexico-border-a-ood-of-migrants/article_d700b87d-f1be-5d48-8554-34e24ca4943a.html
harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:44 pmThere’s some fuzzy reasoning at play here.
What is “historic”. Is this in the last 200 years or the last 20?
Is illegal immigration happening a lot, and simply less than when Obama was president?
How do we know the exact number right now? I assume they are entering without detection a lot of the time. what is a low number? I have the distinct impression that many democrats don’t think there is enough illegal immigration, and many republicans believe there’s far too much. Therefore, ‘historic lows’ is a relative term.
It’s over 1000 day right now, correct? That seems like an awful lot. And if you look at your chart, the number appears to be tied to US economic success. The decline after 9/11, during the economic bust… they culminate in today, where the USA is not exactly at her greatest.
heh
Dustin (6d7686) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:50 pmDana,
I see nothing legally wrong with what Trump has done. There are 30 other active “national emergencies” and not one of them rises to the same order of magnitude as “tens of thousands of people coming across our border without permission.” So, saying it isn’t a national emergency won’t fly.
Since Trump invoked the National Emergency Act, one would assume that Congress is limited to the remedies within that act, primarily an “OH NO YOU DON’T” resolution, which Trump would veto. I doubt Congress can override. The original act had a majority vote for disapproval, but INS v Chadha put that to rest and they changed it.
Can they sue? Can some judge somewhere ENJOIN the President in his lawful powers because he doesn’t agree that 1) it’s an emergency, or 2) he doesn’t like the action? I doubt it.
If Trump were running roughshod over citizen’s rights, like grabbing their guns or tossing all ethnic Chinese into camps, then maybe. But at worst he’s taking land with delayed compensation, and I’m pretty sure it would make my lawyer grin if the government did that to me.
So, no, I doubt that this will be blocked, and if some judge is so foolish to frack with presidential authority, the SC will slap them down in a hot second, if 5-4.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:51 pm“The framers intended that the constitution be able to be amended. Working as designed.”
Republics where the govt. has limited power and individuals have inalienable rights are so old fashioned.
“Just before July fourth, for example, Facebook automatically blocked a post from a Texas newspaper that it claimed contained hate speech. Facebook then asked the paper to ‘review the contents of its page and remove anything that does not comply with Facebook’s policies.’ The text at issue was the Declaration of Independence.“
https://pjmedia.com/trending/15-devastating-quotes-that-show-you-how-dangerous-social-media-has-become-to-our-society/
harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:51 pmthere are plenty of laws, just not the will to enforce them, that seems to be par for the course,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:52 pmHere we go:
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:52 pmIt is interesting that Congress did not preempt this declaration in the law they just passed. The House could have, but didn’t.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:53 pm@46. “Border crossings are at historic lows”
Yep. Unauthorized immigrants at lowest level in a decade. oh btw Trump was *defending* hiring illegals at his hotel less than a year ago. HE LIES folks.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/
JRH (fe281f) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:55 pme plebnista, harkin, that old trek tale was prophetic, about what would happen when the kangs (Chinese like people on a far away planet) took over the yangs, (the American counterpart) over several generations,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:55 pmwe’re safer today cause we’re in an emergency and President Trump is going to protect is
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:58 pm*us* i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:58 pmDan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX
·
Feb 3
Border security, the actual choices:
1. Status quo, with 400,000 illegals apprehended per year.
2. Dept of Homeland Security Request: 234 miles of new fencing where they’ve identified a need, plus other tech. $5.7 B price tag
3. 2,000 mile wall, $25 B price tag
We choose #2
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:58 pmOur next President should declare a #NationalEmergency on day 1 to address the existential threat to all life on the planet posed by Climate Change – Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-Mn.)
And no doubt could. The legal issues come up when we get to the remedies that said President would have available. He could not, no matter how much Pol Potette would like, round up all the Republicans and put them in camps, nor ban beef, nor seize all the cars, or even the car manufacturers (see Truman and the Steel Mills 6-3). He could use this emergency power to block certain imports, or exports, or get the Army to do some things, but there are definite limits. He still has to obey the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:58 pmoh and forgot to mention the “I didn’t need to do this.” LOL. You can’t make this stuff up.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:59 pm“Republics where the govt. has limited power and individuals have inalienable rights are so old fashioned.”
If a right was alienated in your facebook anecdote, it wasn’t done by the government.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:01 pmNarciso
Ask your friend Clarice Feldman about this.
Deep State Bombshell: Armitage confirms Mueller and Comey are Dirty Cops!
Eye Doctor (fdedbc) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:01 pmhttp://illinoispaytoplay.com/2019/02/15/deep-state-bombshell-armitage-confirms-mueller-and-comey-are-dirty-cops/
‘@46. “Border crossings are at historic lows”
Yep. Unauthorized immigrants at lowest level in a decade.’
JRH (fe281f) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:55 pm
I guess history started ten years ago.
Munroe (5211aa) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:16 pm50. The framers also made changing the constitution difficult. Do you think they would approve or disapprove of the 16th and 17th amendments? And on what basis do you think they would feel as they would?
Just because the constitution can be amended doesn’t mean that every amendment has been a net benefit for freedom, subsidiarity, federalism, and small-r republicanism.
Gryph (5efbad) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:25 pmwhat is interesting marty, is William weld’s role as Mueller’s boss in the boston us atty’s office, in the time of bulger’s crime spree, and later as deputy head of the criminal division,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:27 pmwhat is interesting is how supreme court decision, have usurped the amendment function in the constitution, hence our court fights are more fractuous,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:29 pm@39. I think a lot of people don’t understand what the wall can accomplish.
I’m certain most people do: nothing.
Especially when they’re being snookered w/a bait and switch; being asked to pay for it, not Mexico.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:30 pmif i had itchy scratch head lice and was going to america to spread em but bonked my noggin on a wall
i’d just start crying and go home
life’s hard enough without the adversity of bonking your noggin
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:32 pmIf you’re referring to Obama’s DACA/DAPA “pen and phone” EO… then, I think there’s a wide chasm of difference here.
Trump absolutely has authority to declare an Emergency. But, such a declaration itself is sorta meaningless. It has to be coupled with existing statutes with provisions allowing for a redirection of allocated funds. If memory serves, there are at least 2 good DoD statutes.
I don’t think it’s a good use of this authority… but, I think comparing it to Obama’s power grab is a stretch.
whembly (f68468) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:33 pmWhat’s interesting Narciso, is that no one wants to talk about or correct all the lies told on both sides in Plamegate.
Eye Doctor (fdedbc) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:37 pmOur next President should declare a #NationalEmergency on day 1 to address the existential threat to all life on the planet posed by Climate Change – Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-Mn.)
The best representation that Iran’s mullahs and CAIR can buy…
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:37 pmthe goal was to handicap the war on terror, with regards to terrorist communications intercepts, interrogations of suspects, fast tracking of convictions, that is the common element with fitz comey mueller, baker (yes that james baker) wray, and a few others in reserve,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:39 pmshe carries al jazeeras water like an Olympic torch bearer,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:40 pmDon’t forget the very large sums of money changing hands and the illegal surveillance of Americans
Eye Doctor (fdedbc) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:41 pmAgain, I would ask what would be the other existing statutes that allows redirection of fundings.
I could be wrong, but I don’t believe simply stating “this is an emergency” is enough for a POTUS to redirect any allocated funds. I think there needs to be a companion law to allow for such re-allocation in the case of a declared national emergency.
Furthermore, emergency isn’t typically defined in relevant law, and historically POTUS have always had discretion to decide if there’s an emergency, and they’ve often declared emergencies under circumstances short of necessity, that addresses real problems but not an emergency as understood in common parlance.
I think the dynamic we’re missing here is that Trump makes what he is doing seem, and in reality be, much worse because he suggests openly that there is no real emergency ie, “I didn’t need to do this”, instead of what past POTUS normally does in hiding the ball or using more effective rhetoric in a less divisive context.
If anything, in Trump’s brash persona… combined with his shamelessness and lack political deftness in “hiding the ball”, highlights the fact on how much power Congress has given away, and how much extraordinary power presidents have amassed. This ought to be a rallying cry for Congress to claw back some of these delegate authorities.
All the “what ifs” when a Democratic POTUS should crystalize whether or not the NEA should remain.
whembly (f68468) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:42 pmgallup did a survey of many persons would like to migrate to the united states, from the Americas, that’s from argentina to mexico and the Caribbean, of 250 million people, 35% would like to emigrate, and of that cohort is 30% in itself
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/15/mccabe-fbi-trump-meadows/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:47 pmeverybody can take a wrong turn, you know travel agents:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/15/family-manchester-detained-syria-links-isil-say-miss-freedom/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:48 pm@56. Five dead in Aurora, Illinois mass shooting today.
Here we go one better: our next President should declare a #nationalemergency on day one to address the existential threat to all American life from gun violence.
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@59. This old Trek fits better: The Trouble With Trumpsters…
“Mr. Lurry, you issued a Priority One distress call. State the nature of your emergency.” – Captain Kirk [William Shatner] ‘The Trouble With Tribbles’ – ‘Star Trek’ Season 2, Episode 15, NBC TV, 1967
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:50 pmFrom Sen. Mike Lee’s Comms Dir:
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:54 pm“If a right was alienated in your facebook anecdote, it wasn’t done by the government.”
Who said it was?
The people who support those sort of thoughts want to dispense with the Electoral College and our border laws. The Groupthink on social media often is as dangerous as it is ignorant and hateful.
harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:54 pm“But, far from providing a justification for surrender, this is precisely why conservatives should refuse to “shrug” their shoulders and wait patiently for revenge.”
Yes, they should bend forward, grab both ankles and steel themselves for the inevitable, just like they’ve always done.
On a more serious note, I don’t find this handwringing a very convincing argument when all Trump is trying to do is enforce existing immigration law and protect our national security interests.
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:56 pmYou aint seen gun violence till only criminals and the govt. possess the guns.
harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:56 pmI’m beginning to think there’s a lot more to this border issue than cheap labor for the Republicans and a new voting block for the Democrats. You would have to be incredibly naive to think an illegal entity the size of the drug business could exist here absent the cooperation and support of the politicians.
Thud Muffle (5a4596) — 2/15/2019 @ 3:56 pmprobably so:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-faces-questions-after-her-boyfriend-gets-congressional-email-account
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:00 pmThe only national emergency is that our President is a demented baboon who couldn’t find his ass with both hands except when spreading it for Roy Cohn.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:09 pmRoy Cohn… I caught part of a documentary on Studio 54, Rubell and Schrager… Cohn appeared in a few news clips, he looked unwell and pretty sleazy.
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:20 pmSay… wth happened to PandP?
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:21 pmHe has found new accommodations,
Narciso (77eab3) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:26 pmI’m Old Enough to Remember When Democrats Loved Unilateral Executive Actions on Immigration
“Democrats in Congress loved it when Obama abused his power to alter immigration law without their consent. In May 2014, Sen. Chuck Schumer (R-N.Y.) warned Republicans in Congress that “if they don’t pass immigration reform… the president will have no choice but to act on his own.”
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Is this not the same thing Trump has been saying regarding wall funding? But now, Democrats are pretending to be appalled at the very notion of using executive powers, when all Trump is trying to do is enforce existing immigration law and protect our national security interests.“
https://pjmedia.com/trending/im-old-enough-to-remember-when-democrats-loved-unilateral-executive-actions-on-immigration/
harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:37 pmPerspective, when applied, is very helpful… https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1096463616880963589
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:46 pmPresident Trump didn’t declare the national emergency
dirty Mhitt Rhomney’s slishy bendover boy Paul Ryan declared the emergency by certifying Congressional Republicans were too slimy and dishonest to ever do anything to defend America from the rampaging head lice hordes
so we got stuck like pooh in the hunny tree (ohnoes)
but President Trump he got us unstuck!
he’s definitely the heroical wondermous
our gallant do-gladly savior
(he continues to surpass expectations)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:49 pm“I’m Old Enough to Remember When Democrats Loved Unilateral Executive Actions on Immigration”
I’m Old Enough to Remember when Republicans Hated Unilateral Executive Actions on Immigration.
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/15/2019 @ 4:53 pmDid Obama declare a national emergency and spend money that Congress had allocated for other purposes? No, he did not. He declared Dreamers a national non-emergency and said that deporting them wasn’t worth the money and trouble.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:00 pmthis isn’t a unilarbadle action it’s just finding monies to build a wall everybody already voted to build
it’ll give our useless joke military an actual productive job to do (enhanced self-esteem) plus it helps us not get over-run like how they did on sweden and germany (failed states)
therefore it’s not unidarbamal it’s just the sensible policy given the circumstances
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:01 pmNarciso
Post this for Clarice on JOM
Eye Doctor (fdedbc) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:06 pmhttp://illinoispaytoplay.com/2019/02/15/deep-state-bombshell-armitage-confirms-mueller-and-comey-are-dirty-cops/
“This isn’t true, however. Border crossings are at historic lows:”
https://www.businessinsider.com/border-crossings-arrests-trump-historic-low-data-charts-2018-4
Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/15/2019 @ 2:28 pm
Fake news. Nobody knows what the actual illegal border crossing numbers are. They aren’t walking through turnstiles as they cross. The link tracks arrests — not the same thing, nor can we assume it’s directly proportional.
Munroe (9700fc) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:30 pm“Fake news. Nobody knows what the actual illegal border crossing numbers are. ”
Well, gosh, how do we know it’s an emergency then?
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:34 pmPresident Trump said it was an emergency Mr. thulhu
that’s why he’s taking the appropriate steps to keep us safe
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:38 pmRazor
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(BY DECLARING POTUS)
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Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:39 pmClinton
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@62. Dear Dan,
Did Mexico’s $5.7 billion check clear? Asking for a retiree on SS and Medicare.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:39 pmChocolate-covered strawberries for you… at least I think that’s chocolate…
Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:46 pm“Well, gosh, how do we know it’s an emergency then?”
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:34 pm
Well, gosh, I dunno — facts?
Munroe (fc4a14) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:55 pmhttps://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens
@105. Taste one and get back to us.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:57 pm“I hope you brought enough for everybody!” – Hedley Lamarr [Harvey Korman] ‘Blazing Saddles’ 1974
Don’t confuse Cthulhu with the facts.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:03 pmColonel Haiku (fd5d8b) — 2/15/2019 @ 5:46 pm
felipe (023cc9) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:16 pmLOL
@102. Resignation, Mr. Feet?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:16 pmha resignation up pelosi’s butt cause he’s so awesome maybe
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:17 pm@112. Pence so awesome maybe not, eh, Mr. Feet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:20 pm^111.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:20 pmUPDATE: David French has written a great “lawsplainer” regarding President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency. It is well worth reading in its entirety. Insightful and clarifying.
Dana (023079) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:25 pm“Well, gosh, I dunno — facts?”
How many of these are from illegal border crossings?
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:27 pm@114. Can’t see the courts upholding this. Wile has grabbed the anvil out over the canyon and has a 500 foot drop ahead. Entertaining, but then, his base loves those cartoons.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:31 pmDo you really think anyone bothered to check the statutes? I mean, what would be the odds that the statute didn’t say what the EA actually said it did:
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 2/15/2019 @ 6:44 pmI think that the statute doesn’t support using money for The Wall, but it would support building bases from which the military could patrol the border.
Of course the whole idea of an “emergency” is delusional. Or at least self inflicted: the result of years of people denouncing rational immigration policies as amnesty and open borders. And until we have rational immigration policies, the “emergency” will continue.
Kishnevi (65f98d) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:02 pmI’m a straight Male who does not have a viable uterus. Pence OK with me.
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:10 pmnancy pelosi if trump can declare a national emergency for a wall democrats can declare a national emergency for gun violence. bullets are not protected by 2nd amendment.
lany (97ea87) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:30 pmA “rational” immigration policy means 40+ million come here if they want.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/11/gallup-research-estimate-42-million-latin-american/
Munroe (985fbf) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:36 pmI make a motion that lany and eye doctor be sent to a desert isle where they can harangue each other into oblivion.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:36 pmA “rational” immigration policy means 40+ million come here if they want.
If there are 40 million jobs for them, they will pay taxes, so why not.
If there are not 40 million jobs for them, they won’t come…so why not.
But you are channelling the delusion that rational immigration means unrestricted immigration. It does not. It simply means allowing in enough immigrants to make applying for a immigrant visa a viable option, a possibility that makes coming here illegally not worth it.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:42 pmTrump’s little talky talky today completely undermines the entire underlying argument for an “emergency”.
“I made a deal, but I’m not happy with it”
“I didn’t need to do this, but I wanted to do it faster”
Just read the transcript, this man is an idiot, completely incoherrent. I tried to watch, but it was painful, so I figured that reading the transcript would help, but this is frighteningly high levels of moronic.
And oh man, this whopper of a lie, I mean I know, it’s Trump if he’s talking he’s lying, but its exactly the opposite of reality in every example…
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:44 pmFrom the nice post.
AOC just put her doofus boyfriend on the govt payroll. Almost as brazen as Trump this one is.
JRH (fe281f) —2/15/2019 @ 7:37 pm
At least Trump is 100% of the Executive Branch. Ocasional Cortex and Illhead Omar are 2/435ths of 1/2 of the Legislative Branch, but the way the Fake News Media is covering their every burp, fart and scratch you’d think that they were half the government.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:46 pmBTW, Google seems to think 700,000 people overstayed their visas in 2018.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:46 pmThe Wall wouldn’t do a thing about that.
And the people who turn into jihadis are far more likely to overstay visas than trek across the SW desert.
Trump should start drinking after that episode of negotiating. Cocaine Mitch is deep state fungus, Donny.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:52 pm“If there are not 40 million jobs for them, they won’t come…so why not.”
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:42 pm
Delusional. As if it’s about jobs.
0K then. There is always a job for anyone who comes, which simply means you do a job cheaper than the American who currently does that job.
Or, are you arbitrarily limiting it to jobs you personally don’t do?
Munroe (969dd4) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:05 pmBTW, Google seems to think 700,000 people overstayed their visas in 2018.
The Wall wouldn’t do a thing about that.
And the people who turn into jihadis are far more likely to overstay visas than trek across the SW desert.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 7:46 pm
If Trump stuck to his guns, we’d get those too:
“For those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. To return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system that I have outlined today,” he said.
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:06 pmIs the boulder police department:
Narciso (77eab3) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:07 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/AJGuglielmi/status/1096610157973434373
Razor
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harkin (c314b6) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:17 pmClinton
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“For those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. To return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system that I have outlined today,” he said.
Actually, in a Kishnevi designed immigration system, that would be a basic rule.
It’s just that Trump’s idea is to make legal immigration harder. The result of that of course is that illegal immigration becomes that much easier.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:21 pm0K then. There is always a job for anyone who comes, which simply means you do a job cheaper than the American who currently does that job.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:23 pmYou object to people working for minimum wage?
“You object to people working for minimum wage?”
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:23 pm
No.
You object to people doing your job for minimum wage?
Munroe (ab58ce) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:33 pm“It’s just that Trump’s idea is to make legal immigration harder. The result of that of course is that illegal immigration becomes that much easier.”
Please, show me where Trump is trying to make legal immigration harder. He’s all in on HB-2
https://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2015/09/25/donald-trump-h2b-visa-hypocrite/
And, exactly how, even if he were trying “to make legal immigration harder”, does that make illegal immigration “that much easier.” It may make it more attractive, but easier?
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:40 pmSome people do my job for minimum wage, Munroe.
But you do understand that when people come from country A, you soon get people selling them food and clothes? Iow jobs that wouldn’t be there if the immigrants weren’t there.
Economy as a zero sum game is a feature of Ocasio-Cortez’s philosophy, not conservative philisophy.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:41 pm“You object to people working for minimum wage?”
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:23 pm
Corrupts the law of supply and demand, when those who are not here legally, compete with those who have been paying for the infrastructure leveraged by the employer.
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:45 pmMatador, HB2 are the most restrictive bureacratic visas around, and render the visa holder almost totally dependent on the employer.
As for your second question, that should be obvious. The more demand for illegal commerce, the more opportunity for black markets and smuggling.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:49 pm“Trump
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I don’t know why you guys keep spamming this. Why do you think there wasn’t any outrage over Trump’s previous 3 (not 2) National Emergencies? Could it be there’s something different this time?
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:51 pmwhen those who are not here legally,
You don’t seem to grok the main point.
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:51 pmThose people will be here legally, with visas, paying taxes, the whole nine yards. They will be paying into the infrastructure just like every other worker.
Well its skilled immigration, it does seem there is a pincer at the top and the bottom.
Narciso (77eab3) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:55 pmStill, he hasn’t done anything to curtail legal immigration except, of course, that upheld on appeal 90 day’er that was gonna wreck the world. I will of course, humbly accept your cited refutation
To your second, that’s like saying we gotta legalize assault or else a lot more people are gonna be murdered.
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 8:56 pmMatador, your answers suggest that you know a lot less about this than you think you do…
Kishnevi (2dabdc) — 2/15/2019 @ 9:01 pmThe thing about illegal immigrants is, minimum wage would be powerball for most. And, by definition, they just
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 9:02 pmAnd you are one of the arrogant d*icks that has driven away so many…
Matador (39e0cd) — 2/15/2019 @ 9:03 pmDavid French is pretty smart on the issue, but so is Josh Blackman. Obama opened the door to this executive power grab. Nevertheless, I still think Trump will lose in the courts, and Trump probably knows it, but he made the political calculation that signing the budget deal and declaring a national emergency was the least damaging option for him.
Paul Montagu (0eb929) — 2/15/2019 @ 9:42 pmImmigration and border security are related, but not identical. We either have a border or we don’t. I want The Wall or its equivalent, but no matter on what side you’re on, it’s inescapable that Trump is full of it. If he’s sincere, he’s insane to have waited for this hold-my-breath-until-I-turn-blue tantrum until the Republicans lost the House. If he’s just putting on a show, as I believe he is and always has, impeach the mother_______!
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2019 @ 9:59 pmHe could’ve gone for wall funding properly when he had the house as well as the senate, but he didn’t. Instead he had to do this.
Frack him. I hope they impeach him and I’m not going to ever vote for anyone that doesn’t object to this. Ever. If they don’t impeach him maybe the Dems should run Al Sharpton or AOC next time, because I’ll vote for anyone else now and I’m not going to play any silly plausible deniability 3rd party vote games. He goes.
Nic (896fdf) — 2/15/2019 @ 11:04 pm@125. “Trump’s little talky-talk…”
Helped the 25th amendment crowd, though. If he did it in blackface -which stole his spotlight for several news cycles- he’d pass for Scatman Crothers.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:24 amnational security emergency what goes around comes around nancy pelosi.if declared legal we go for the bullets!
lany (97ea87) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:43 amNancy Pelosi won’t be back in 2021. Trump is going to declare AIDS a national emergency and “quarantine” her entire constituency in CDC “in-patient treatment camps”.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:08 amNo he couldn’t we’ve been through this three times, in the face of an occupying army, they refuse to even start,
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:09 amFrom last week’s narrative:
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:11 amhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/02/the-week-in-pictures-green-new-deal-edition.php
hmm:
https://twitter.com/conncarroll/status/1096507435257348096
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:23 amyes yes Mr. Narciso they’re using deep state tricks against the dirty head lice hordes
we didn’t start this fire it was always burning since the whirl was turning
but Jeb or pervy Mhitt Rhomney or stunted, womanish babby roob roob would’ve just throwed gasolines on it
we are very blessed in Him
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:28 amJust read a little about his life. He was lucky — blessed — to have an owner (“owner”) in Missouri who cared about him and taught him to read and write, which he used to its full advantage. He wasn’t a good laborer so helped his adoptive caretaker (“mother”) in the home and kitchen (makes sense that we see him crocheting in the video).
I wish that today’s youth realized the value of reading and writing well. What a gift it is. As for the aphorism, it’s a little floofy but what the hell do I know. This guy went through more than I ever will and achieved real greatness.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:42 amWhoops 157 was meant for the Geo W Carver thread.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:43 amhis floofy aphorism raises the interesting question of what conditions would be necessary for to make it true
it would almost have to be a system based on “social credit” of some kind, no?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:47 amThey are trapped in prisons of their own minds, and neither the schools and specially the media can liberate, take this atrocity called empire, which is celebrated, what does it celebrate?
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:48 amRIP, Bruno Ganz. A better Hitler than Hitler. (Not a parody, click CC for subtitles.)
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:50 amMr. Howard’s what made empire a thing and good on him
he was a fun “new” face (to the demo that show targeted) and such a big talent and a good Chicago boy and a neat american i think to boot
plus he danced with madonna which is a very immortalizing way to invest your time when your little Fox show is on the hiatus
Jussie Smugma though, he’s a depraved hateful liar what wants to pit people against each other on the basis of skin color cause he’s an evil twisted shriveled no-talent loser
attempt no landing there
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:58 amThere is some common sense, but the fat kid in buffy is the show runner,
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:03 amlots of big talent came up through that show Amy Adams nathan fillion wentworth miller
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:06 amok well wentworth maybe rests kinda uneasily under the big talent umbrella
at least so far
but he’s done some work
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:07 amJoss just likes to see people suffer, except for zach snyder who Likes to do it to movie goers
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:12 amjoss does so much to lessen himself with his incontinent and insipid twatterings too though
he’s a lot like cher
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:14 amoh and forgot to mention the “I didn’t need to do this.” LOL. You can’t make this stuff up.
But you CAN take it out of context.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:16 amNow in the case of Mexico this is a country that after a million dead did nationalize the oil company, and you see how that worked out.
That’s after shuttering the churches and then gunning down a whole bunch of priests, they kill a dozen students or so every couple of years like riding a bicycle, so what Venezuela does is a matter of scale
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:18 amIf a right was alienated in your facebook anecdote, it wasn’t done by the government.
Ah, yes, the suicidal notion that if government regulates corporations, allows them to have complete control over a medium of communication, allows them to censor and at times requires them to do so, then washes its hands of the results, it’s all OK.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:22 amI found some much better GWC aphorisms. At least I like them better. (they might be apocryphal).
“Education is the key to unlock the golden door of freedom.”
“Where there is no vision, there is no hope.”
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:25 am“Where there is no vision, there is no hope.”
Proverbs, 29:18. “Where there is no vision, the people perish”. It’s engraved in stone (ok, maybe it’s concrete) in the front of our church.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:28 amAnd I don’t blame you for mixing up the comment threads. For some reason the URL of the comment form is not picking up the post title.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:30 am“There follows a few hundred words of brow-wrinkled prose about their ‘so alarmed,’ ‘dire concerns’ that the President had just fired their guy, FBI director James ‘higher loyalty’ Comey, that they got together and wondered how they could entice the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet to collude (ooo, there’s that word!) to invoke the 25th Amendment and jettison a guy they didn’t approve of.
The Times story is cast in their best anodyne prose, carefully tilted to make it seem as if this was perfectly reasonable, business-as-usual stuff.
But it wasn’t reasonable, and it is business-as-usual only in a banana republic or a polity that is essentially ruled by hyper-bureaucratized administrative apparatus.
‘Justice Department Officials Had Discussions About Pushing Trump Out.’ Even for the Times that must have been a twisted cue.
‘Justice Department Officials Had Discussions About Pushing Trump Out.’ Think about it. On May 9. the President fires his employee, James Comey. Panic in Bureau. Scarcely a week later, the Big Boy Scout, Robert Mueller is appointed by Rod Rosenstein to be Special Counsel in charge of the Get Trump battalion. It’s a real flood the zone operation. Pre-dawn raids, full-press intimidation, careers ruined.
It’s been going on so long, and has involved so many nefarious characters in such high positions in the Obama administration and our intelligence and law enforcement services, that it is hard to keep the main fact, the overwhelming point of the episode in mind.
It is this: people in the FBI (aided an abetted by elements in the CIA and the Obama administration) decided that they didn’t like the person who had been elected President of the United States. Their anger and frustration boiled over when the President had the temerity to fire their man, James Comey. So they plotted to get rid of him.
The FBI didn’t like the President. so they plotted to remove him from office. That is the irreducible minimum, class, that you should take away from this whole sordid lesson. Top figures in the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not approve of the President. Therefore, they took steps to destroy him. Rod Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General, several times offered to wear a wire to entrap the President.”
https://spectator.us/deep-blob/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:33 am@172. Cheers, nk that’s a great quote and verse. What denomination, may I ask?
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:37 amThere was a similar pattern in books like Helmans cheney screed which I guess they culled vice from, all context is stripped
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:39 amout like the events that are happening in the hours before the hospital bed meet, the details of which come from Mueller who was only subsequently appeared in an account three years in the past.
Greek orthodox I assume well that is the story between malachi and the gospels, also 2 kings and a few other intervals
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:41 am“But you CAN take it out of context.”
“I could do the wall over a longer period of time, I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster. And I don’t have to do it for the election; I’ve already done a lot of wall for the election 2020. And the only reason we’re up here talking about this is because of the election, because they want to try and win an election which it looks like they’re not going to be able to do.”
There’s your context. Doesn’t sound like an emergency to me, unless the emergency is his election.
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:43 amNow that you’ve settled that with yourself, time for some introspection.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:49 amthe people what are most hurt by the filthy violent illegal immigrant hordes are poor people and minorities first and the middle class second
the middle class has more of a buffer so they get screwed mostly by the over-taxing of services they pay for like health and education (they pay money for services that go to head lice rapists instead of real people)
democrats wallow in the misery of minorities like black people for example cause that’s how they get elected
so that’s the emergency
for rich people like nasty pelosi and dirty Mhitt Rhomney’s slishy rentboy Paul Ryan
you’re right
there’s no emergency here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:49 amBefore it becomes an emergency…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:49 amcan you imagine what the employment rate for lower and lower middle class people generally and upwardly mobile american black people and hispanics would be if all these parasites weren’t stealing so many jobs
it would be so beautiful
a people united in productive endeavour
one america
under god
it give you chills
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:57 amGreek Orthodox, JRH.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:07 amWell spin me this, hf….for many of my years i lived in the Calumet Heights neighborhood of Chicago…the epicenter of bougie black (as ill-gotten as much of it was from CTA, USPS, the County and the CPS)…and more than half those clowns use Hispanic landscapers. …They know something I may not regarding black men of similar age and capability?
And wouldn’t the rational response be more gang membership, not less, in the near term, when Ann Coulter states that she would rather deport a Dreamer than an MS-13 member given the choice because the Dreamer would give up easier. (Note to self, she might be the most popular public figure across all demos and political persuasions with her Trump is an idiot declaration).
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:08 am“Now that you’ve settled that with yourself, time for some introspection.”
Yes, let us now meditate on Trump’s incoherent ramblings, and the truth will be revealed.
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:09 amchicago’s the most racist city in america it’s invented more ways to slice the pie by race and ethnicity than any other polity in the whole whirl
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:09 amThe pri like the Democrats have a distaste for businessman oil men in particular church people, they looted the country dry over some 70 years. Now not long after another export became valuable although this wasnt really clear to the 60s when the drug wars began in earnest
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:10 amThey also let loose Fidel in 56, much like the German general staff did to Lenin in 17, that boomerang came back.
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:12 am“can you imagine what the employment rate for lower and lower middle class people generally and upwardly mobile american black people and hispanics would be if all these parasites weren’t stealing so many jobs”
Sounds like you’ve got a problem with employers, it’s a shame there’s no effort to hold them accountable.
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:13 amIt’s very well-known that the strongest, in terms of getting their way, opposition to enforcing the immigration laws is not from the bleeding heart liberals but, instead, from the limousine liberals and country club Republicans who want cheap labor living in the shadows so they won’t dare raise their heads and become expensive labor.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:17 am@183 very cool. I’m kind of fascinated by the early Greek church fathers, particularly the Universalist leanings of some of them . I’ve always wanted to attend Greek Orthodox services but I’m too busy serving at my (Presbyterian) church and can never get away.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:18 amBut hypocrites, like the California ruling class, manage to couch it in terms of bleeding heart sympathy and not in terms of stone-cold exploitation which is what it is. And real bleeding hearts believe them and elect them governor and mayor and representative and senator and such other phony-baloney taxpayer-raping jobs.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:21 amSo Mexico was probably screwed from 1938 on, if not from the Revolution itself which I guess you can blame on portfirio Diaz,,
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:23 amIf there are 2 good things about the movie Roma, it has: 1. highlighted the Corpus Christi massacre as the cross stream of the Khmer Rouge and the Hard Hat Riot; 2. exposed much if the telenovela actor/actresses crowd as banal colorist pendejos.
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:25 ambut while buttboy obama was in office the dems realized they could weaponize the dirty head licers to do huge voter/apportionment fraud – not just trim hedges and kill chickens
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:26 aminteresting read about the massacre
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:32 amWell that’s the trick, so far it has been Texas, Florida, Arizona and Georgia that have taken the influx but have washed it with pensioner and white middle class move-ins to form 20 perhaps over 25 percent by 2020 of Congress, electoral votes, but remain under R control at state level. Of those 4, only FL had left the farm for President in 08 and 12. It’s a little bit like Chicken Little hearing conservatives kvetch about a “Blueing” of these states that seems a lot like Brazil’s evergreen country of the future status.
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:35 amNo I dont think that’s a good read, but the fact it can be Mississippi 1964 at any time is indicative, the halcones were the precursors for gafe from whence the Zetas spring. The students just get screwed again and again. Lopez obrador will remind them.
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:42 am“Sounds like you’ve got a problem with employers, it’s a shame there’s no effort to hold them accountable.”
We have problems with them and a lot of people. We need to hold them accountable (including fines and prosecution), get serious about border security, elect representatives who will act in the best interests of America and Americans and revise immigration laws in a way that allow us to attract and admit the best and brightest of those who wish to live and prosper here.
And address public education, which is an embarrassment and is not meeting our short term/long term needs.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:47 ammexico’s violent and corrupt
that’s why nasty pelosi and mhitt rhomney wanna do mexico all up in the united states
let’s you and them fight
tale as old as time
true as it can be
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:48 amA really blue America is going to look more like Mexico in the 70s and later than Venezuela, now miss del Castillo can blame the CIA till the cows come home. Except there wont be an escape valve to the north, Canada doesn’t cut it.
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:54 amtoronto’s all full up with socialist gimme gimme parasites already
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:04 amCanada under a future premiership of the late Snorty-Coke’s brother won’t let itself cut it, right now having its Virginia moment.
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:05 amTheres at least a little category error here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/culture/2018/11/roma-corpus-christi-student-massacre-el-halconazo.amp
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:06 amThe halcones are more like the faes under Maduro, or the turbas under the sandinistas
Narciso (eb271e) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:10 amthe cristero rebellion was more like the Nicaraguan resistance or the brigade, mostly professionals students, but because they are not down with the bearded one, they aren’t portrayed that way. after they fought the good fight, most of the same self involved idiots who let the sandinistas take over, fumble their way in and out of power, leading the way to the return of Ortega,
Mexico to a lesser extent than Venezuela, profited from the oil embargo in the 70s, but that caused the petro dollar spiral that would lead to the 82 banking crisis, all the while they virtue signaled over the sandinistas, the flmn etc although as you see clearly different strokes for different folks,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:22 amthe 47 students, what we would consider sjw’s considering mexico’s history chose poorly they hijacked some school buses so they could upstage a local corrupt official, who belonged to the left opposition party, curiously enough, and make a trip to tlatelco shrine, somewhere along the way the Mexican army which as you see doesn’t play those sorts of games got involved along with the local police,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:43 amand then beto had all his poquito beto trash losers beat up on a pinata for to simulate them some roma-style violence
gettin about time for daddy to take the t-bird away methinks
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:48 amhttps://twitter.com/The3Buckleys/status/1096827333095424000
Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:48 amI try not to figure out ‘skippy’ kennedy, there’s no logic to him, he’s like vanilla ice, the college years,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:52 amWould Trump date Annie?- Coulter hasn’t gotten this much attention since starting to dress like a woman.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:35 amthat poor lady
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:41 amShes old meat and he might have subconscious cooties or wideness prej against someone that is such a “really really good friend” of Jimmie Walker.
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:45 amin other news:
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Lukoil-Halts-Oil-Swaps-In-Venezuela-After-US-Sanctions.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:45 amShe’s six feet tall. That’s tall for her weight. But she carries it well.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:47 ammeawhile Zuckerberg covers from tridelt gillebrand’s honest views on the wall,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:47 amheartening for ann i suppose
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:49 amSorry she wouldn’t date Trump. Everyone knows JJ is “Dy-no-mite.” fwiw one of her exes was reportedly Muslim.
https://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Godless_author_Coulter_unknown_at_church_0608.html
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:55 amshe dated bill maher well enough said there,
https://spectator.org/exclusive-the-india-files-dozens-of-bollywood-and-tollywood-actors-targeted-and-hacked-by-qatar/#.XGcmEFzuhXs.twitter
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:58 amThat reminds me, how are the confirmation hearings going for Indian Aunty archetype Neomi Rao?
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:13 amlook what we have here:
https://thenewsrep.com/114094/lead-investigator-in-special-forces-officers-war-crimes-case-accused-of-stolen-valor/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:13 amlol such a neverending poopshow
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:18 amhang first, trial later,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/neomi-rao-trumps-nominee-for-dc-appeals-court-apologizes-for-past-writing-on-date-rape/2019/02/11/2733c384-2e58-11e9-ac6c-14eea99d5e24_story.html?utm_term=.29f918c788ee
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:22 ammajor golsteyn, like captain Gallagher, seem to run under the track, repeatedly, by a military establishment that seems intent on dishonoring the sacrifices in this long war,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:31 amwhat is genuine, and legitimate areas of concern:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-scolds-cnns-jim-acosta-angel-moms-confront-reporter-in-rose-garden-you-have-an-agenda
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 11:46 amamazon made 11 billion dollars and paid no federal income taxes and you wonder why ocasio-cortez is so popular. she is the future you are the past. trump lucky she can’t run for president in 2020.
lany (d84a55) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:24 pmHe down wit’ AOC
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:41 pmAnd he’s up a tree
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:42 pmplease shine on us all
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:44 pmthere is no way around it
love is the answer
God’s light on this world
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:48 pmshine on us all set us free
love one another
Got teh Todd on…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 12:49 pmshe is the future you are the past
Where have I heard this before? Oh, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VUP6piYJKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEX7OvJzZiY
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:04 pmAll the things their fever dreams tell them about Trump, they will gleefully sign up on when it comes to doing them themselves.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:06 pmI think they paid 6.2 billion in corporate tax, if memory serves
Narciso (4acf5a) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:18 pm@226 why should corps pay taxes if they are passing down costs to consumers. That’s a question a conservative dude asked me and I had no answer.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:25 pmyes yes there’s no such thing as corporate taxes they’re just a myth like global warming
the us government just likes to steal money
you know – like hitler
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:31 pmhttp://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/
Kishnevi (bb4469) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:39 pmWell the clown show goes on:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1096882912685948928?fbclid=IwAR1Q9c9zDwFO-5kN3-eMO2ozT9o7dy4EG_KzsbcRgg6oYBw6GTOQlb_F3CU
Narciso (4acf5a) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:50 pmwhy should corps pay taxes if they are passing down costs to consumers. That’s a question a conservative dude asked me and I had no answer.
Here’s one: Other businesses pay taxes through personal income tax directly. If you exempt corporations, saying you will collect on the dividends, you give them an edge in the marketplace, since those taxes are now external.
A better question is “what effect does the death tax have?” Since corporations never die, they are exempt, again disadvantaging competition from family businesses.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:53 pmThere’s your context. Doesn’t sound like an emergency to me, unless the emergency is his election.
No, it’s like, “I’d rather have solved this though normal procedures, but there are these obstinate assh0les who wouldn’t stop a nuclear attack if I went first, so we have to deal with this emergency the hard way.”
Except that Trump would get totally lost in that sentence.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 1:56 pmShe used to work for the dog trainer:
Narciso (4acf5a) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:05 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1096861202880348160
You moved to new Mexico, and the seed pods are opening over there,
Narciso (4acf5a) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:13 pmSmollett needed to gain it up more convincingly: http://youtu.be/O5vyuD0lv7A
urbanleftbehind (826a08) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:18 pmYou moved to new Mexico, and the seed pods are opening over there.
No basements here.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:19 pmOr maybe I have the wrong meme.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:22 pmRIP Pat Caddel
mg (8cbc69) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:35 pmcpd still considers Smollett, a victim, winning the future?
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2019 @ 2:35 pmshe is the future you are the past.
Cucarachas will indeed be the last living animal on Earth, but we are far from that yet.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 3:53 pmCalifornia, Arizona and New Mexico are where pistachios grow in the United States (maybe in the whole Western Hemisphere). The Pistachio People from the far future have invented time travel and are now abducting humans and replacing them with Pistachio People in rubber human-shaped suits and masks.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 4:06 pmThey said that Donald Trump was the dumbest and most dangerous person in politics.
The Democrats said: “Hold my beer” and produced AOC.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/16/2019 @ 4:38 pmPeople who said this said what about Obama again?
Narciso (fe5c67) — 2/16/2019 @ 4:48 pmYou were axing, narciso?
Police sources: New evidence suggests Jussie Smollett orchestrated attack
Like we didn’t all know that. But when you’ve lost CNN ….
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 5:48 pm@239. Thanks for the answer. Why doesn’t the govt tax corporations like other businesses — through personal income taxes?
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 5:53 pmI was wondering which tax does not get passed on to consumers. Inheritance taxes. Any other?
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:01 pmgood question! (I don’t think you’re asking me, but in case you are I don’t know. I’m not well-versed in economic stuff, nor good at Math.)
JRH (fe281f) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:04 pmLast of a generation:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6706909/Last-survivor-Great-Escape-dies-aged-99.html?fbclid=IwAR01CJXeJHZ_aek6TpBhTTakW7XLxOCvjK_RVA7hfojY_PwCJWPOFYLzblU
Narciso (fe5c67) — 2/16/2019 @ 6:08 pmOu moi:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/02/hold-the-hysteria-over-trumps-emergency-declaration.php
Narciso (fe5c67) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:03 pmConsistently dunking on Dems… https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1096856815810342912
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 7:42 pmWhose parsnips does that butter?
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 8:05 pmI know that this is a big yawn and to be expected from the powers that be these days, but, ahem:
Tillman (61f3c8) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:11 pmSo “Dems” is the new word for Democrats these days. OK then, “Repubs” should be their counterpart. It’s only fair, right?
Tillman (61f3c8) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:13 pmDarn it, I misspelled it… it’s dem Dims. Long day…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:19 pmKurt Schlichter
Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Duke Lacrosse = Lie
UVA frat rape = Lie
Covington Kids = Lie
Kavanaugh = Lie
Every Muslim chick howling that someone snagged her headscarf = Lie
Every campus noose = Lie
Jussie Smollett = Lie
Anyone sense a theme?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/16/2019 @ 9:36 pmI thought it was “Rethuglicans”?
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:08 pmPat Caddell. RIP.
NJRob (4d595c) — 2/16/2019 @ 10:55 pmRussian collusion-lie
mg (8cbc69) — 2/17/2019 @ 12:51 amHer Mueller most trusted-lie
cocaine mitch is conservative-lie
paul ryan is conservative-lie
republicans suck-no lie
smollett is so privelidged he has to pay minorities to press him.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/17/2019 @ 1:13 amFake Noose!!!
oppress him
mg (8cbc69) — 2/17/2019 @ 1:14 amAnd the Emmy for the most creative use of a fake noose in a Fake News Crime Drama Hoax demonizing Trump supporters by a gay African American goes to…
mg (8cbc69) — 2/17/2019 @ 4:36 amPeople suck.
Jussie Smollett, he so yucky, he has to pay people to beat him up.
nk (dbc370) — 2/17/2019 @ 6:09 amGuy Benson
@guypbenson
You know what helps stir racial tensions & resentments in America? Bullsh*t “hate crimes.”
This one looks especially egregious because the “perpetrators” were specifically conjured by the phony victim to smear (by extension) a large group of fellow citizens.
Shame on him.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/17/2019 @ 7:02 amhttps://news.grabien.com/story-montage-watch-media-uncritically-accept-another-outlandish-h
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/17/2019 @ 7:07 am