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2/7/2019

The Green New Deal Sort Of Leaves One Speechless…

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:26 pm



[guest post by Dana]

The Green New Deal was introduced today by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey. It’s about what you would expect from Democrats intent on countering climate change by a “massive transformation of our society.” Included in the released overview:

The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for all.

It will:
 Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy
 Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs
 Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries
 Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.
 Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
 A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security
 High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools
 Clean air and water and access to nature
 Healthy food
 High-quality health care
 Safe, affordable, adequate housing
 Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work

From the Q&A portion:

Why 100% clean and renewable and not just 100% renewable? Are you saying we won’t transition off fossil fuels?

Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases. Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy. Simply banning fossil fuels immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. We do this through a huge mobilization to create the renewable energy economy as fast as possible. We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero.

You get the idea and I just can’t even.

Perhaps David Harsanyi describes the utter infeasibility of the plan best:

It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters. Not merely because it would necessitate a communist strongman to institute, but also because the societal cost are unfathomable. The risible historic analogies Markey and Ocasio-Cortez rely on, the building of the interstate highway system or moon landing, are nothing but trifling projects compared to a plan overhauls modernity by voluntarily destroying massive amounts of wealth and technology. That is the GND.

[…]

The GND uses the word “massive” to explain the size “investments” (formerly known as “taxes”) 13 times. How will we pay for this plan? “The same way we did the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailouts and extend quantitative easing,” say Markey and Cortez, who earned her degree in economics at an institution of higher learning that should be immediately decertified. The plan itself seems to insinuate that billionaires can pay for the whole thing. Of course, best case scenario, it is estimated that instituting a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent would raise a little more than $700 billion over that decade. She does not explain how we’re going to raise the other 20 bazillion dollars it will cost to deconstruct modernity.

A surprising reaction to the plan came from Nancy Pelosi , who amusingly derided it:

Progressives had demanded a special climate panel tasked specifically with drafting legislation to end the nation’s reliance on fossil fuels in just over a decade and transform the economy.

The California Democrat did agree to launch a select committee on climate change, similar to the one she created back in 2007, when she first became speaker. Pelosi said Wednesday, however, the panel would not be tasked with writing a specific bill, and brushed off the idea of the Green New Deal as a “suggestion.”

“It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” Pelosi said. “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”

(Which is sort of funny coming from Pelosi, considering her “You have to vote for the bill to know what’s in it” comment to concerned Americans…)

It’s interesting to watch Pelosi take Ocasio-Cortez in hand. It’s a fine balancing act for Pelosi. She knows the major influence and impact Ocasio-Cortez has on her progressive supporters and more than 2.8 million Twitter followers, yet at the same time, Pelosi needs to remind the freshman congresswoman that she is the boss. One thing about Pelosi, her knifings always hit the mark. Given that Ocasio-Cortez was notably left off Pelosi’s climate change committee, I think Pelosi’s messaging to the young upstart is loud and clear.

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(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

101 Responses to “The Green New Deal Sort Of Leaves One Speechless…”

  1. If billionaires don’t cough up enough, we can just print lots and lots of money to pay for this!

    Dana (023079)

  2. No, just thinking of languages in which to Express my opinion.

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  3. “we can just print lots and lots of money to pay for this!”

    We’re doing that now for the latest tax cuts.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  4. From page 5:

    Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and
    repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities

    Dana (023079)

  5. I say this not as an opinion but as a statement of objective fact, adhering to the same standard of truthfulness as any article published on the front page of The New York Times:
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a Manchurian Candidate, a deep cover sleeper agent of a foreign power, most likely Cuba but it could just as easily be Russia or China, and her assignment is to undermine and damage America and turn it into another sh!thole like the one she came from.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Among the sillier items in the overview:

    o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy
    efficiency

    Replacing buildings is a massive waste of manpower and resources. And that isn’t even considering where to house the people or companies that occupied those buildings while they are being replaced.

    I hope they continue to push this hare-brained scheme.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  7. Banning airplanes will be tough on professional sports teams during the playoffs.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  8. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a Manchurian Candidate, a deep cover sleeper agent

    …deployed by one or more, perhaps both, of the adult Trump sons to satisfy the conditions of payout to hide an affair with a NYC club floozy and also saddle the opposition party with a unintelligent vapid and confrontational ethnic dartboard of a youth icon to wrest away its remaining white and pragmatic voters.

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  9. Did the pendeja actually oppose Pelosi for the Speakership?

    nk (dbc370)

  10. actually no, but she had mind thoughts about it, meanwhile in the pantomime in your burg,

    narciso (d1f714)

  11. There’s a historical climate chart or graph (1880-2018) on the front page of the New York Times today (you can see it here too)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/briefing/climate-change-brexit-virginia-your-thursday-briefing.html

    … that’s really a classic example of how to lie with statistics.

    http://faculty.neu.edu.cn/cc/zhangyf/papers/How-to-Lie-with-Statistics.pdf

    See Chapter 5.

    Compare pages 61, 62 and 63, or look at page 65.

    The change is small, but the vertical scale makes it look huge. The rise in temperature is all of just over 2 degrees Fahrenheit! (1.2 degrees Centigrade/Celsius)

    The NASA graph doesn’t even give temperatre in degreees, but just shows the difference, in degrees Celsius, from the 1880-1899 average, and hugely emphasizes small changes.

    It looks like thing really took off around 1963.

    Again, what people are not noticing is that the Standard Deviation, both of temperature and precipitation) has grown more (otherwise there wouldn’t be more of such things as early freezes, and we wouldn’t have such polar vortexes) and that is attributable to the increase in water vapor in the atmosphere.

    Dihydrogen monoxide is highly unevenly distributed around the world, and the levels and the places of concentration are constantly changing.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  12. “… most ridiculous… un-American… trifling…”

    It’s a bold idea, which is very American:

    “But if I were to say to you, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control center in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on a untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat almost half that of the temperature of the sun– almost as hot as it is here today– and do all this– and do all this, and do it right, and do it first, before this decade is out– then we must be bold.” – JFK, Rice University, Houston TX., September 12, 1962

    Funny thing is, ‘those people’ who were tasked to accomplish this thought he was crazy, too– at first. Then they went out and did it. Harsanyi is an ass. He was born in Feburary, 1970, not long after ‘those people’ did it– twice.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. If billionaires don’t cough up enough, we can just print lots and lots of money to pay for this!

    Make Canada pay for it.

    You know, like Mexico paid for the wall.

    Dave (4c9509)

  14. I thought it was Lyndon Johnson who put the control center in Houstoon,

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  15. If we can put a man on the moon, certainly we can put a woman on the moon. It’s so hard to decide which woman, though.

    Jerryskids (702a61)

  16. I dunno, DCSCA. Visionary as JFK may have been, in the end, did non-stick cooking and pens that write upside down justify the cost of the Apollo program? And shouldn’t it have been called the Artemis program? Apollo is a sun god; Artemis is the goddess of the Moon. Sexism, pure and simple, I’d say.

    And now the Chinese are trying to grow cotton on the Moon. That’s racist!

    nk (dbc370)

  17. The thing is, even if the money was available (which it isn’t), there is simply no way this ‘plan’ (ganja dreem, really) will work. No electrical grid can be made to work on intermittant sources. No storage medium know or even hypothesized can hold enough power to deal with the troughs and peaks. The amount of land coverage necessary to meet even HALF the energy budget would give the Greens heart failure. And none of that gets into the ecological damage involved in the materials necessary, or thr MINOR technical problems.

    It. Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.

    So, this woman is either brain damaged, or a liar.

    Or we could embrace the power of ‘and’.

    C. S. P. Schofield (df48a3)

  18. Good on them, they probably had second thoughts ever since all this hubbub about them becoming the new colonizers of Africa.

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  19. But way further south, a possible ranch…http://news.yahoo.com/brazils-bolsonaro-suffers-suspected-pneumonia-doctors-205358112.htm

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  20. Here’s another one I like:

    Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to
    work

    Unwilling to work? I’m happy to support charities for those who are unable to work, but I will never support giving away anything to someone who is unwilling to work.

    Chuck Bartowski (a2c25f)

  21. She’s rotten to the core.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. But great to the infantry.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Get over thyselves, it’s just a PRB check.

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  24. Tomi lahren is good to the infantry, corps and the seamen.

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  25. R.I.P. Frank Robinson, first black Major League Baseball manager

    Icy (5f225a)

  26. R.I.P. Doc Thompson, conservative radio host

    Icy (5f225a)

  27. R.I.P. Jim Dunlop, creator of the greatest guitar picks ever made

    Icy (5f225a)

  28. This Cortez chick is dumber than sand. Keep yakin lady.

    mg (feb67e)

  29. RIP John dingell.

    Narciso (c482b7)

  30. @19. Neither ‘non-stick frying pans’ nor ‘pens that can write upside down’ owed their existence to the Apollo program. Safe bet the gadget you made your post with… does.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. Heh! I was parroting hippie snark from the ’70s. Normal Americans were very proud of the space program. And it’s a pretty good guess that Alexandria’s twits are the type who’ll care about space exploration only to the extent that they don’t like the rocket scientist’s Hawaiian shirt.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. @34. Normal Americans were very proud of the space program.

    Still are: the NASM is the most visited museum in the country. And for his standing-O at the SOTU, 89 year old Buzz can still stand; the U.S. flag he planted on the moon w/Neil does not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. They left out plasticine porters with looking glass ties.

    She has a degree but I haven’t heard her say anything yet that implies confirmation.

    harkin (75c725)

  34. Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work

    That’s the Latin-American Socialist’s idea of a Workers’ Paradise. In Soviet Socialism, those unwilling to work were exiled as parasites or executed as wreckers.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. Tacey King: Mr. Belvedere, is there anything you haven’t been?

    Lynn Belvedere: Yes, Mrs. King – I’ve never been an idler or a parasite.

    Sitting Pretty – 1948

    harkin (75c725)

  36. And in Chinese Socialism the unwilling were _______?

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  37. The Chinese don’t need a political philosophy to work. They just work.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. “Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work”

    We laugh now, but that’s our future. The dismal tide.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. For as long as it lasts…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. @6. Hare-brains are for dumb bunnies; for instance, there are now high-tech windows for office buildings w/a transparent wafer sandwiched in the panes that generate electricity from sunlight. New ideas for older constructs; an efficient place to start.

    “Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the one thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they change the world, are the ones who do.” – Rob Siltanen, Apple ad campaign, 1997-2002.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration. — Thomas Edison

    nk (dbc370)

  42. They’re not fond of rules.“

    Lololololololololololololol

    harkin (75c725)

  43. I was gonna say eaten by more productive workers or ground up and resold as a “tiger claw aphrodisiac”.

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  44. Sorry, urbanleftbehind, you should give me a heads-up when you want a setup line.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. In Soviet Socialism, those unwilling to work were exiled as parasites or executed as wreckers.

    Or promoted to the Central Committee…

    Dave (1bb933)

  46. … before being exiled as parasites or executed as wreckers.

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. Here’s Sitting Pretty with Greek subtitles. I wasn’t going to link it, but I saw that it has favoriter actors than Clifton Webb, including the one who played Lawman.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. Thought 1:

    Back during the last days of the Cold War, I was in Hamburg and was talking to some German engineers about the West German welfare state. Mind you, the Wall was still up (but would be down later that year).

    What they told me was that Germans were entitled to a living, whether they worked or not, and some people just didn’t like to work and forcing them to do was would be wrong. While it was obvious that the basic income that the state provided was WAY lower than what an engineer would make, it still took some head-around wrapping. Here was a first world, industrial society that did not seem to CARE that some chose not to work. Maybe here weren’t that many (hey, they’re GERMANS), but it seemed like such a regime would do worse in the states.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  49. Thought 2:

    There was a classic SF novelette in the ’40’s by Jack Williamson, titled “With Folded Hands”, where it was postulated that (never mind how) happy, helpful robots provided all the workforce a society needed. There was no poverty, no need, no compulsion to work. Everyone had everything they needed.

    Except purpose.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  50. Thought 3.

    Much more recently the late Iain M Banks postulated a galactic human society where massive AI’s took care of everything, and it was again playtime for humans. Not enough room? Try this empty ringworld.

    While many (most?) found ways to express themselves, not everyone could (and there is always Sturgeon’s Law suggesting that many never can). It was telling that, even though several forms of immortality were available, they weren’t often used with people opting out after a few centuries and whole races “transcending” at times. There was also a wonderful sidelight about Virtual Heaven and it’s possibly necessary flip side, Virtual Hell.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  51. Thought 4.

    Suppose it comes to pass that most of the population is extraneous to the production of goods and services. No matter what they consume, there is no real impact in wealth. What then?

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  52. Thought 5.

    AOC is a fracking moron.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  53. And in Chinese Socialism the unwilling were _______?

    They just had to do something, and often enough the state would assign it to them. They didn’t have to be adept (and often weren’t).

    A friend toured China in the post-Mao, pre-Deng era. There was this guy who was carving jade for the State and attempting to sell his creations, also for the State. He was NFG at it, and the best that could be said is it took him considerable time to destroy a piece of jade. And of course, the price of the result was based on the time he put into it. A classic example of the Labor Theory of Value fallacy.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  54. I’m going with No. 5, Kevin M.

    P.S. I goofed up post title and put New Green Deal... instead of Green New Deal (which sounds awkward). Fixed it.

    Dana (023079)

  55. Suppose it comes to pass that most of the population is extraneous to the production of goods and services. No matter what they consume, there is no real impact in wealth. What then?

    We fight Klingons.

    The Star Trek universe flirts with the idea of a future where there is no material want.

    It’s interesting that even hundreds of years in the future, intelligent robots like Data seem to be sui generis and there are not really any unintelligent robots running around doing menial tasks either.

    Dave (1bb933)

  56. Well, I wanted to look at it from all angles…

    Now, that Pelosi and the House Democrats have adopted this as their platform, one has to ask … how much did Trump pay them? This is a “Hold my beer” level of crazy.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  57. We fight Klingons.

    Or maybe we join the Borg, which is another solution.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  58. Now, that Pelosi and the House Democrats have adopted this as their platform, one has to ask … how much did Trump pay them?

    Tens of thousands of dollars, but that was a few years back.

    Dave (1bb933)

  59. And I wouldn’t celebrate yet.

    In 2016, “crazy and corrupt” beat “just plain corrupt”.

    So we can expect plenty more crazy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. @55/@57. Lunacy, eh.

    “When President Kennedy announced his decision to go to the moon in May 1961, I thought he’d lost his mind.” – Dr. Christopher C. Kraft, Jr., Apollo/MIT Reunion, 2009

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Judge Roberts is a brain dead mother trucker. And he likes dead babies. What a disgusting drool.

    mg (feb67e)

  62. How will green deal work? when the methane frozen at the bottom of the oceans start bubbling up we will have to reduce the population. conservative politicians will go swimming in the lime pit first then registered republicans with aoc directing the fire hose filling the lime pit up.

    lany (05978b)

  63. @24. AOC has said that the type of socialism she advocates is not that of Venezuela or Cuba but would “most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden”. -wikibio.

    Very Snow White of her.

    @58. The Star Trek universe flirts with the idea of a future where there is no material want.

    And pay w/credits. ‘Charge it’ only applies to phaser banks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. See if I got this right – if you can stand up and sit down as well as having bowel movements you are qualified to be a congressional member.

    mg (feb67e)

  65. We were promised flying cars, we are here now.

    Narciso (d349a5)

  66. this is a valuable historical document what lays out the climate change agenda with clarity and precision

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. Wake up and smell the cow farts! if you like your baby’s life, you can keep it… gee, officer, I was only helping that pig over the fence.

    Pyrthroes (efd991)

  68. 66… ask them to up the dose…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  69. Did the cop buy it, Pyrthroes?

    nk (dbc370)

  70. Was Pyrthroes the last of the “crowd” to leave the Stacey Abrams renuttal?

    urbanleftbehind (bc1932)

  71. wow just when you think the coward-pig mccain family couldn’t get any trashier

    you got mama cowardpig going full kkk on strangers in the airport

    and juggs mccain dining out on her coward-pig daddy’s funeral ad nauseum for the billionth time

    Meghan McCain said Thursday that she wished President Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump Ivana and son-in-law Jared Kushner had not attended her father’s funeral.

    “The View” co-host told late night host Stephen Colbert that she was “surprised” when the two White House senior advisers appeared at Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) service in September.

    “A funeral is sort of obviously sacred time and I thought that my family had made it clear, at least I had, that the Trumps are unwelcome around me,” McCain said. “My father had been very clear about the line between the McCains and the Trumps so I was surprised when they were there.”

    something seriously wrong and hateful about this sick sick family

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  72. They hate us, happyfeet.

    mg (feb67e)

  73. She and her husband should be indicted for impersonating a United States Senator, and other similar crimes, arising from their putting out communiques in John McCain’s name when he was basically in a coma.

    nk (dbc370)

  74. Sorta like what’s going on with Ginsburg, nk?

    mg (feb67e)

  75. https://liftacademy.org/

    I am one proud father seeing my daughter teaching at this school.
    Tears of happiness be flowing.
    What a great group of people.
    So damn proud of her.

    mg (3d936a)

  76. I don’t know, mg. I doubt it.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. Joe Scarborough
    @JoeNBC
    Right-wing commentators continue obsessively reporting on @AOC and claiming she reflects the consensus of Democrats. Nonsense. It is Nancy Pelosi’s party. Full Stop.
    __ _

    Alex Griswold
    @HashtagGriswold
    The entire 2020 field in the Senate has endorsed the plan

    __ _

    harkin (75c725)

  78. John Russell. That’s the actor playing a lawyer in Sitting Pretty who played Marshall Dan Troop in Lawman. But Clint Eastwood killed him in Pale Rider.

    nk (dbc370)

  79. Ok, Clifton Webb could play it straight, as he proved in Cheaper By The Dozen. Did he go extra-swish in Sitting Pretty just to annoy Daryl Zanuck?

    nk (dbc370)

  80. Congrats mg,

    Narciso (d349a5)

  81. Yes. Congratulations to your daughter, mg.

    nk (dbc370)

  82. I think that Alexandria, Kamala, Warren, Booker, Gillibrand, and Klubacher are part of the Democrats’ 2020 strategy as “bullets we dodged” when they nominate a young, personable, and sane candidate for President, not content with contrasting him only to Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. RIP Albert finney

    Narciso (d349a5)

  84. Thanks, narciso and nk.

    mg (feb67e)

  85. “Clint Eastwood killed him in Pale Rider.”

    Gregory Peck got him in Yellow Sky, as good as it is forgotten.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZnOUqHwLj9M/UeaqcPEPdmI/AAAAAAAABeg/kS-96JvAIus/s1600/yellow-sky-russell.jpg

    harkin (75c725)

  86. “RIP Albert Finney”

    I wondered why Tom Jones pre-empted the scheduled flick on TCM.

    RIP indeed, a great actor.

    harkin (75c725)

  87. As someone who lives in farm country, I invite her here to Illinois to explain to the cows why they must not pass gas–(and I agree, I can’t even…)

    Rochf (877dba)

  88. Judge Roberts is a brain dead mother trucker. And he likes dead babies.

    You can’t believe what the MSM prints.

    This was a question of an injunction only, and since the injunction was in line with a previous SC ruling, Roberts voted to grant it. They are still going to hear the actual case, but will suspend the law until they do as it appears to run afoul of the last ruling.

    The question is whether Roberts will vote the same way he did before when the actual case comes up. He voted FOR the Texas law, but Kennedy provided the 5th liberal vote. Now Kavanaugh replaces Kennedy. They could still support the LA law 5-4 (and provide a new precedent for other states).

    It is actually reasonable to say that abortionists must have admitting rights to a hospital. THe question the MSM should be asking is why they don’t. BUt I won’t hold my breath.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  89. Roberts is deepstate

    mg (8d6fe5)

  90. The Communist party has had a coming out party.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  91. National Review says there are several versions of the “Green New Deal”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/just-how-many-versions-of-the-green-new-deal-are-there

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  92. 20. C. S. P. Schofield (df48a3) — 2/7/2019 @ 5:20 pm

    No electrical grid can be made to work on intermittant sources. No storage medium know or even hypothesized can hold enough power to deal with the troughs and peaks.

    Batteries, or dams (pumping water up, or leaving ot there)

    We don’t have such batteries now but how can you say it is not even hypothesized

    It. Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.

    Wait till they dscover that solar power contributes to global warming.

    But they might reverse themselves on one thing.

    Since plasstic bags are not biodegradable, they could be a form of carbon sequestration. They only cause trouble (if they cause trouble) in the oceans when coming from roivers without good sewage treatment systems. Otehrwise they wind up in landfills.

    So, this woman is either brain damaged, or a liar.

    She’s locked into some policy positions or claims – which means, a liar. Including her claim to be some kind of a socialist.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  93. How will we pay for this plan? “The same way we did the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailouts and extend quantitative easing,” say Markey and Cortez, who earned her degree in economics at an institution of higher learning that should be immediately decertified. The plan itself seems to insinuate that billionaires can pay for the whole thing.

    No, no no.

    They mean borrowing, supported by the Federal Reserve Board.

    You just create money with a click of a mouse.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  94. @91. A great actor? Perhaps. A scumbag, for sure. Now that he’s dead, it can be said– Finney was the drunk who unzipped my mother’s dress on that dance floor half century ago.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. No perhaps about it, a tremendous actor.

    Sucks to hear he was a dirtbag towards mom.

    But why wait till he’s dead to say it?

    harkin (75c725)

  96. @84. He went down on the Titanic, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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