Patterico's Pontifications

1/25/2019

Roger Stone Indicted and Arrested

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:09 am



Is there any sweeter way to begin the weekend? New York Times:

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, revealed on Friday the most direct link yet between the Trump campaign’s and WikiLeaks’ parallel efforts to use Democratic Party material stolen by Russians to damage the election campaign of Hillary R. Clinton.

In an indictment unsealed Friday, the special counsel disclosed evidence that a top campaign official in 2016 dispatched Roger J. Stone, a longtime adviser to President Trump, to get information from WikiLeaks about the thousands of hacked Democratic emails. The effort began well after it was widely reported that Russian intelligence operatives were behind the theft, which was part of Moscow’s broad campaign to sabotage the 2016 president election.

The indictment charges obstruction of justice, lying to the feds about contacts with Wikileaks, and witness tampering. Back to the NYT:

The indictment makes no mention of whether Mr. Trump played a role in the coordination, though Mr. Mueller did leave a curious clue about how high in the campaign the effort reached: A senior campaign official “was directed” by an unnamed person to contact Mr. Stone about additional WikiLeaks releases that might damage the Clinton campaign, according to the court document.

So, about that. It’s looking like Stone functioned as a conduit of information between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign by way of Steve Bannon:

This has been reported before, as the screenshots in that tweet show — but now the information is being confirmed by Robert Mueller.

Wow.

Here’s video of the pre-dawn raid:

Our President is taking it in stride:

While Trump and Trump superfans are accusing Mueller and/or the FBI of tipping off the FBI, all evidence suggests otherwise.

The initial video in this post explains further if you watch the whole thing.

Stone has been released on $250,000 bond and is defiant in a *checks notes* Nixonian sort of way:

Afterward, outside the courthouse, Mr. Stone vowed to beat the investigation, which he called politically motivated.

“There is no circumstance whatsoever under which I will bear false witness against the president nor will I make up lies to ease the pressure on myself,” he told reporters afterward.

“I look forward to being fully and completely vindicated,” he added, then flashed twin V-for-victory hand signs reminiscent of his onetime boss, former President Richard M. Nixon.

People have got to know whether or not their President’s buddy and conduit for hacked oppo research is a crook. Well, I’m not a crook. I’ve earned everything I’ve got.

Happy Friday!

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

308 Responses to “Roger Stone Indicted and Arrested”

  1. Wow. Here come the Defenders.

    Simon Jester (4357eb)

  2. The Mother of All Perp Walks. So now the assumption is Mueller and the Deep State is aiming towards Bannon? Assuming he foolishly didn’t lie to Congress, where’s the beef?

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  3. Government reopens; Nixon tattoo jailed.

    Freedom Friday!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. You know, if Trump had been serious about having Hillary locked up, he would have put her on his campaign staff.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  5. CNN was at the scene of Stone’s arrest because they noticed “unusual grand jury activity”? If you believe that I want to sell you some land west of Santa Monica. You will need a sponge, because it gets damp there.

    A swat team to support the arrest of a 66 year old man with no history of violence and no prior convictions and then an arraignment in shackles?

    Stu707 (a0c2d4)

  6. Oh my.

    A drone has clearly breached WH air space and landed behind a microphone in the Rose Garden.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. Yet Greg Craig is free as a bird, same with John podesta.

    Narciso (97514a)

  8. If Trump were not such a treacherous crook I’d feel sorry for him.

    JRH (fe281f)

  9. Read through the indictment. My takeaway is that Roger Stone is a f*cking idiot.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  10. Yes that’s not mutually exclusive, I never liked him nor Alex jones.

    Narciso (97514a)

  11. You know what you do when you’re doing Roger Stone Things and get called to testify under oath?

    You take the 5th.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  12. I don’t know which is more bothersome… this Stone thing or the Clinton crew being instructed to save all emails, then deleting them and telling the Fed’s, “you’ll get the ones that are pertinent” (paraphrased), then being given immunity and assistance with destroying all drives on all devices?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  13. I’d love Patterico’s opinion on the degree of force used, given that there was zero chance of violent resistance from Stone. Looks like sickening thuggery to me, and given the likely tip-off to CNN, an attempt to both intimidate others being investigated & taint the jury pool.

    Brian (203161)

  14. CNN was at the scene of Stone’s arrest because they noticed “unusual grand jury activity”?

    I do believe it. They knew a Stone crony had testified on Thursday and there is a pattern of grand jury activity on Day One (especially Thursday) and arrests on Day Two (often Friday). Nothing surprising here at all, in my view.

    Patterico (e03271)

  15. An “I don’t remember”, or “can’t recall” seems to work well for Democrats. There may be a lesson in that.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  16. I’d love Patterico’s opinion on the degree of force used, given that there was zero chance of violent resistance from Stone. Looks like sickening thuggery to me, and given the likely tip-off to CNN, an attempt to both intimidate others being investigated & taint the jury pool.

    Absolutely standard, and since there is no reason to believe there was a tip-off, this is all unfounded conspiracy theorizing.

    Patterico (e03271)

  17. While Trump and Trump superfans are accusing Mueller and/or the FBI of tipping off the FBI, all evidence suggests otherwise.

    I think you meant “tipping of CNN”

    Time123 (441f53)

  18. Hey if you destroy the evidence, no harm no foul.

    Narciso (97514a)

  19. Actually you probably meant “tipping off CNN” sorry about the typo in pointing out your typo.

    Time123 (441f53)

  20. I’d always heard the things that went on in the grand jury process were cloaked in secrecy. I feel I’ve been misled.

    When has CNN ever been known to be dishonest?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  21. Josh Campbell, Comey’s coffee boy is a CNN consultant.

    Narciso (97514a)

  22. “I look forward to being fully and completely vindicated pardoned,” he added

    Mali aurantii est.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. “Cops…”

    —- Verbal Kint

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  24. It’s always nice to see that the FBI has no knowledge of how the Internet works when it suits them.

    But more seriously, I’m told that if the FBI wants to question you and you take the Fifth, they freeze your accounts, search your house and confiscate everything, and so on until you’re living out of a box – with your silence. And if you testify, then anything you say that disagrees with their opinion is obstruction of justice, perjury, and witness tampering. So it’s really a devil you do, devil you don’t.

    Unless you’re in the in crowd. Then it’s all sweetness and roses and immunity deals; plus the occasional backalley murder or strangely detailed suicide.

    Ingot9455 (46f6e9)

  25. The old geezer could’ve gone for his gat or his grenade launcher, that’s why they needed so many vehicles and personnel.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  26. It is possible that CNN watched the courthouse where the grand jury is sitting (although they mayhave been tipped off to that and from that, other published reports, and maybe leaks deduced taht Roger Stone was close to being arrested.

    If so, Roger Stone also probably deduced it himself, and anything incriminating wuld have bene gotten rid of long ago.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  27. You know, if Trump had been serious about having Hillary locked up, he would have put her on his campaign staff.

    *gigglesnort*

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. Just like in the elian matter, why does it fell like Loretta lynch Is running things?

    Narciso (97514a)

  29. “ this is all unfounded conspiracy theorizing“ sounds like a pretty good description of the Mueller probe.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  30. Basically anything the 16 Hillary staffers come up with over their lunch break.

    Narciso (97514a)

  31. Narciso

    I honestly don’t get why anyone would think that pointing out Hillary was better at getting away with corruption would make me sympathetic to their cause. I didn’t want Trump to come in and even the score by getting away with corruption. I wanted him to make the overall system less corrupt. Saying “But the other team was able to get away with stuff” doesn’t make me think trump should get away with stuff. It makes me think you don’t care about the rule of law.

    I’m not a hard core team “R” person. I generally support conservative candidates because they’re trying to accomplish things I want accomplished such as balancing the budget, limiting government to increase personal freedom, national defense and maintaining the rule of law. I support their efforts to do those things. I don’t support that they work with a hostile, foreign government to release stolen information in a way that helps team R win elections.

    Time123 (441f53)

  32. 14 Patterico

    I do believe it. They knew a Stone crony had testified on Thursday and there is a pattern of grand jury activity on Day One (especially Thursday) and arrests on Day Two (often Friday). Nothing surprising here at all, in my view.

    It is possible. I doubt CNN was the only media outlet able to notice GJ activity. We don’t know how many Thursday testimonies were followed by Friday arrests and how many not.

    The standard procedure for arresting an alleged white collar criminal with no history of violence and no flight risk is to ask his attorney to surrender him to the US Marshall at the courthouse.

    Stu707 (a0c2d4)

  33. I had a feeling she wouldn’t take today’s other big news story well, but geez, this is really hitting below the belt, even for her:

    Ann Coulter
    ‏Verified account
    @AnnCoulter
    2 minutes ago

    Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

    Dave (1bb933)

  34. If that’s standard, we need to change standard practice. It’s not compatible with the American idea of government as a servant of the people. (But is it really so standard? Patterico knows about law enforcement matters better than I, but Manifort, for example, was permitted to turn himself in.)

    Brian (203161)

  35. I know equal justice under law is such a quaint custom, Comey decides no prosecutor would indict and that’s that.

    Hey there was a week of show trials of pro life teenagers just to show how even handed you can be.

    Narciso (97514a)

  36. @ Sammy Finkleman – I think that horse has left the barn long ago. It looks like a pretty open and shut case of making false statements to Congress with regards to lying about the emails and texts he had. That’s already seized in evidence. My guess is his ego decided that he could get away with lying about the texts and emails and there would be no interest in prosecuting him. In my opinion, this is the Special Counsel creating a highly public public political lynching to show that it is still relevant.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  37. They dont charge Clapper for lying under oath, what is just the statute of limitations

    Narciso (97514a)

  38. Back on topic, Ann is on a roll:

    Ann Coulter
    Verified account
    @AnnCoulter
    60 seconds ago

    Trump tweets about Roger Stone raid, “Who alerted CNN to be there?” Just think! If you were president, you could haul the FBI director’s ass into the Oval Office and ask him yourself.

    LOL

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. In other news, it looks like that move by Nancy Pelosi to deny Donald Trump the ability to deliver a State of the Union message was a masterstroke, sort of. He couldn’t deliver it anywhere else and get the attention he wanted.

    Trump has now agreed to sign a continuing resolution good for three weeks (this window covers the State of the Union message) abandoning even his latest bid, which was to include 3 weeks worth of funding for a wall.

    The re-opening lasts till Feb 15 (the Feb 8 date slipped) after which they can start the clock all over again.

    Federal government workers collect their jan 11 and jan 25 and Feb 8 paychecks – probably Feb 22 as well..

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  40. @ Dave – Ann’s always been one of those Permanently Enraged Commentators that exist on both the right and the left that have never spent a day actually making policy or being held accountable for making policy. Sometimes, she is spot on in highlighting the pass the buck/scratch my back culture that exists in DC. But, she’s never going to have to answer to the voters as to why its a good idea to have to shut down one of the busiest airports in NYC because of a lack of air traffic controllers to justify getting money for a wall, which I support.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  41. Um the grand jury is in DC and the arrest is in ft. Lauderdale okay

    Narciso (97514a)

  42. Caved on the SOTU, caved on the shutdown, another Trump advisor perp-walked. Not a good week for this president.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  43. Roger Stone. What can you say about that dude? Waving his Nixonian fingers in the air and proudly reclaiming his Watergate mantle. But this time our clever friend conducted the break-in with the help of the Russians.

    45 years later…. history repeats.

    noel (e07fb0)

  44. Heh.

    “The FBI had to do a bin Laden-style pre-dawn raid on a guy who was just released on his own recognizance? Ok.“

    —- Sean Davis

    Your tax dollars at work!!!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  45. 2. CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec) — 1/25/2019 @ 11:19 am

    So now the assumption is Mueller and the Deep State is aiming towards Bannon?

    No, he;s looking to expose a Russian spy ring. He suspects Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rick gates and Michael Flynn may ahve been knowing or unknowing members.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  46. Bin Laden raid?? I suppose you prefer they knock when they enter the Oval Office. Don’t worry, I am sure they will be polite.

    noel (e07fb0)

  47. Pre-dawn militarized raid for an unresisting “suspect” who was later released on token (for him) bail.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  48. Yes. I know. They won’t even indict the crook. If he weren’t the occupant of the Oval Office, my guess is he’d already be indicted.

    noel (e07fb0)

  49. Forceful Fearless FEEB Foray or Keystone Kops Komedy Kaper?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  50. Trump “I’d give myself an A+” playbook:

    1) Repeatedly and loudly proclaim “No surrender!”
    2) Surrender
    3) Declare victory
    4) Soak up adulation from cultists
    5) Lather, rinse, comb-over, repeat

    Mali aurantii est

    Dave (1bb933)

  51. Just like in the elian matter, why does it fell like Loretta lynch Is running things?

    It feels more like Barack Obama is still directing the bureaucracy. He still has the phone if not the pen.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  52. @ Sammy Finkleman -40 – You are correct. Pretty standard for shutdowns. I was told it takes about three business days to process back pay for one paycheck, so they should have everyone’s backpay done and the next paycheck out of the 22nd when this nonsense starts up again. What a way to run a railroad. I will say this; unlike during the 2013 shutdown when Obama did everything in his power to jam up the works to make the general public pissed off and support his position, Trump has done everything to minimize disruptions to keep the essential parts of the government running, albeit without paying the employees. This is why you had all the mainstream media stories on federal employees using food banks, etc.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  53. If he weren’t the occupant of the Oval Office, my guess is he’d already be indicted.

    For what? Not being liked by noel?

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  54. “Watch my lips”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  55. I had a feeling she wouldn’t take today’s other big news story well, but geez, this is really hitting below the belt, even for her:

    Buyer’s remorse sure sucks, doesn’t it Annie?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  56. Come on, Kevin. Arrest after arrest. Conviction after conviction. And you still don’t get it? Dozens of them knew that there were meetings with the Russians and they were all lying to you.

    But I suppose you could argue that Donald was ignorant to all of it.

    noel (e07fb0)

  57. it’s kinda startling how open and brazen nazi-boy bob and his dirty fbi gestapo shock troops are being about framing people

    are they getting sloppy or do they just want people to get desensitized

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. Memo to the FBI: be sure to dust him for jowl prints.

    “The only thing worse than being talked about… is not being talked about.” – Roger Stone

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. the law and order police state in action. if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. when the police state was used against the left roger stone thought it was great! as paster nemoller once said when they came for me there was no one left to object. see how you conservatives like being frog marched out when ocasio-cortez is telling the justice department who to bring to justice. 2024 and she’s president!

    lany (4a4706)

  60. Great, I have to reconsider my opinion now that this illiterate freak on permanent disability happyfeet weighed in on the same side.

    Brian (203161)

  61. Hes a performance artist.

    Narciso (97514a)

  62. “He Lied for Trump”. Get in line, Rudy.

    noel (e07fb0)

  63. @33. Ann Coulter, wimp. A slice of history:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. Agreed, DCSCA.
    Exhibit 2

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  65. “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks.” – Commie Con Don

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  66. One thing that you have to notice is that thus far, all the indictments have been either crimes created by the investigation itself, or completely unrelated crimes that occured before the Trump campaign. Now lying to the FBI is a crime, and certainly lying under oath is a crime. Just because an investigation yields nothing does not justify lying to the investigators. But it is disturbing that these special counsel situations seem to do nothing but generate their own crimes.

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a)

  67. Great, I have to reconsider my opinion now that this illiterate freak on permanent disability happyfeet weighed in on the same side.

    While there is often much to disagree with in happyfeet’s comments (to the extent one takes them seriously), personal attacks on other posters here are not allowed.

    Dave (8ee42c)

  68. After Trump’s big cave today, I really am getting tired of all this winning.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  69. I doubt CNN was the only media outlet able to notice GJ activity. We don’t know how many Thursday testimonies were followed by Friday arrests and how many not.

    Come on, do just a little work to not embarrass yourself. From Hot Air (not exactly a leftie hotbed):
    Hsu is the Post’s legal reporter and tracks Russiagate-related court wrangling. According to him, activity at the courthouse on a Thursday is rare — and the last time it happened it was followed immediately by indictments. Fridays, in fact, tend to be the day when most Russiagate indictments are made public. As Hsu noted, the GRU members were indicted on a Friday last July. Members of a Russian “troll farm” were also charged with trying to interfere in the 2016 election on a Friday last February.

    So, yes it’s old fashioned reporting.
    The thing about the conspiracy theories is that they create connections. Concocting scenarios is easier because they lead you to look away from what’s right in front of your nose: that members of the Trump team might just be, as Mr. Finkleman says above, witting or unwitting agents of the Russians, ordered, or asked, or through just plain naivety to let them (the Russians) help elect Donald Trump president of the United States.

    You don’t want to let thought sink in though, as once you do it’s even easier to see connections, because they’ve been laid out by the special prosecutor, week after week, to the satisfaction of Federal grand juries and judges. All that information will serve you up a conspiracy you can actually believe in: Russia meddled in our Presidential election and was abetted by people all the way up to the top. The theory part is only where it stops… DonJr, or Don Senior.

    TomM (954e56)

  70. “Wow. Here come the Defenders.”
    Simon Jester (4357eb) — 1/25/2019 @ 11:10 am

    Because in today’s world, an FBI raid for process crimes needs no defense. And, questioning the motivation for one is always circumspect.

    There was a time, so long ago, when we looked askance at witness intimidation (which is exactly what this is).

    Munroe (b21157)

  71. I’m really interested to read from Patterico & co-bloggers about the idea that we’re dealing with two different standards here.

    Please understand, that I’m not absolving Stone for any of the process crimes he may have done. It is, indeed, a big deal.

    But, how do you square the treatment of the likes of Trump’s orbit getting prosecuted, and yet Hillary Clinton and her staffers largely walked scott free?

    So, yeah its good that Stone is getting the hammer dropped on him, because… no, you can’t lie/obstruct to investigators/congress.

    But, the Bleach Bit dude and certain HRC staffers getting immunity deals… not to mention that HRC herself obviously lying to investigators during the email investigations, but suffers… nothing?

    I mean, I can be convinced that Mueller is simply going after as much low hanging fruits as he can, so that the process crime convictions would justify the special counsel.

    However, the double standards is simply jarring… is it not?

    I’m not saying that we don’t prosecute the likes of Stone because HRC/staff got kids glove treatment. I’m just worried that this perceived double-standard (real or not) will further erode our justice system and by extension…our politics.

    Let this be a lesson for future administrations regardless of party, never…ever…agree to form a special counsel.

    whembly (b9d411)

  72. Yes hanging teenagers out to dry is your thing right montagu.

    Narciso (97514a)

  73. “But it is disturbing that these special counsel situations seem to do nothing but generate their own crimes”.

    Kind of like sending in commandos under news cameras generates drama.

    harkin (e6b10c)

  74. Thank me later!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  75. Think about your priorities, peoples! https://twitter.com/ClaraJeffery/status/1088223659968192512

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  76. “Let this be a lesson for future administrations regardless of party, never…ever…agree to form a special counsel.”
    whembly (b9d411) — 1/25/2019 @ 1:58 pm

    We’ve had special counsels since the country’s founding. They used to be called elections.

    Munroe (27ff8e)

  77. Secret transmission to Mueller… Trump Transporting Two Tons of Turquoise To Taos Tonight.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  78. I’m sure Munroe whined about the Ken Starr investigation too.

    Leviticus (d9b1f0)

  79. there was an actual crime identified for Ken Starr to do investigate on

    the filth-dirty trash at the FBI don’t bother with that crap no more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. Yep! Ken Starr was initially directed to investigate Vince Foster’s suicide. This turned into, eventually, an investigation into whether he lied about havnig sex with Monica Lewinsky.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  81. Yes hanging teenagers out to dry is your thing right montagu.

    Get over it, narc.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  82. Leviticus – Ever had a potato from the Red River Valley?
    Incredible flavor.

    mg (8cbc69)

  83. Col at 76 – Priorities

    Iowahawk responds:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SixStringTweets/status/1088851874109898758

    harkin (e6b10c)

  84. dirty corrupt FBI harvardsuck Chris Wray has a sad about the shutdown :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. I get some folks not being fond of Roger Stone, he’s not a guy who engenders much in the way of compassion.

    What I don’t understand is how some find no fault with how the Feds and local law enforcement went about taking the guy into custody. He has not been found guilty of a crime, he’s not a drug trafficker, not suspected of having an arsenal, etc. If this was done by the book, maybe we need a new book.

    The folks who’ve shared like-minded comments about this behavior are spot-on. This is not the way citizens should be treated. Shameful.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  86. But it is disturbing that these special counsel situations seem to do nothing but generate their own crimes.
    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a) — 1/25/2019 @ 1:40 pm

    The FBI, as a rule, only solves crimes it commits.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. I read the so-called indictment. Pretty thin gruel. I’m no fan of Roger Stone, in fact he makes my skin crawl worse than Trump does, but if you gotta be that convoluted, you ain’t got much of a case.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. That’s why Iowahawk is as beloved as he is, harkin. The man’s a national treasure.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  89. Some folks got their dicks in the dirt unless it’s their version of a good news day. Cheer up! Life is good! It ain’t all schiffshow.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  90. Stephen McIntyre sautees the indictment with vegetables,

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. Release the hounds Mueller Report already!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  92. it’s just going to be war and peace, Schiff like this, or maybe just infinite gest, david Wallace is very tedious,

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. 89… that is mos def karma, narciso. Imagine having those feelings for the CCHS students, the March For Life and having no hesitation to share them with the world.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  94. i love President Trump today and always

    i love the way the sun dances in his hair i love his wall it’s so big and imperturbable (tolkeinesque wall) i love his optimism and his graciousness

    i feel like i have a partner in President Trump i feel like together there’s so much we can accomplish

    and accomplish much we will!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. Have a great night, ALL!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  96. Where is Beaks I mean Leopold by the way, or his boy wonder Cormier?

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. Impeach the mother_____ wimp!

    nk (dbc370)

  98. One more… https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/319735/

    When last seen, Leopold was in his soiled underwear, chained to a radiator in teh Bronx.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  99. I read the so-called indictment. Pretty thin gruel.

    A travesty of a mockery of a sham, amirite?

    Probably not a single homosexual on that grand jury, either…

    Dave (1bb933)

  100. they should have news on the toddler in spain any minute but it’s not gonna be good news

    it will be sad news

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. Come on, Kevin. Arrest after arrest. Conviction after conviction. And you still don’t get it?

    Name someone who has been convicted of a crime that occurred during Trump’s campaign or later. And, no, I don’t count confessing to a made-up non-crime.

    Stone is being charged with obstructing an investigation that showed that no crime occurred. This is about as weak as it gets. I would have to lie to get through voir dire (I wouldn’t) because my first thought would be jury nullification. Telling nosy coppers to bugger off when no crime has been committed — and they have no probable cause to believe a crime has been committed — is a basic human right.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  102. No, it’s for OBSTRUCTION of “a travesty of a mockery of a sham”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  103. Not everything that hurts Trump is a good thing. There is collateral damage. In the case of Mueller’s attempts to distort the law and his use of a compliant press to spin nothing into something, the Rule of Law is being diminished, and more nails go into the coffin of the so-called Free Press.

    People see the weakness of the charges, and see the liars of the press. More and more, they see that these institutions that they’ve been taught to trust are just tools, and being used by people who don’t much like them or their interests.

    It’s really too bad when the Devil quotes scripture so loudly.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  104. eloquently said Mr. M

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. BTW, recognizance bonds do recite the amount you’ll be liable for in case you violate them, even though they do not require you to deposit it in advance.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. well it’s not like we didn’t see with pat fitzgerald, he jailed a subject for information he already had. there is a brutal frankness in the way our overlords, demonstrate their power isn’t it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. Subject Mueller and Weissmann to the same anal probing as they are putting their subjects through, get all of their emails and texts. Let’s see who’s NOT leaking.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  108. it’s nice when they pretend that ethics matters,

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/25/probable-cause-gillum-ethics/

    who will bell that cat, coronello,

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. Republicans will be lucky to get elected as dog catchers in 20\20.
    The tent has collapsed.

    mg (8cbc69)

  110. @114. :-)

    “I love it when a plan comes together.” – John “Hannibal” Smith [George Peppard] ‘The A-Team’ NBC TV, 1983-87

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. I wonder if Paul Ryan is taking note on how the speaker controls the United States?

    mg (8cbc69)

  112. paul ryan’s tied up right now

    it’s fresh meat friday at casa romney

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  113. The question remains why the Fifth Avenue Fellator of Ferrets waited until the Democrats controlled the House to ask for Wall money.

    nk (dbc370)

  114. How many times had Ryan left it out of the continuing resolutions.

    Narciso (49b187)

  115. Ryan did not promise a Wall. The Orange Wimp did.

    nk (dbc370)

  116. Some Leader. Too busy writing love notes to Kim Jong Un.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. i think babyboy Paul and Daddy Romney had date night last night here in Chicago

    they danced and danced and danced some more

    and then they made sweet love

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. So you want to go to war in korea?

    Narciso (49b187)

  119. if the scummy US military were even remotely prepared to fight a war in North Korea the whole situation there would look much different than it does today

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. no i don’t think this is correct i think it’s an artifact that’s being a little misrepresented

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  121. Strange how everyone pulled in front of Mueller and given the “special probing” ends up worn down, broke and unable to fight back.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. 27 federal agents involved in that standard, pre-dawn raid. And then released on that special bond a few hours later. C’mon… he’s either an evil desperado or he’s not.

    Treat the SC and his crew to the same probing. Let’s see who hasn’t been leaking.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  123. Haiku, the whole thing was a media stunt. Starting with the So-Called Indictment which is really a press release and culminating with the leak to CNN.

    nk (dbc370)

  124. C’mon… he’s either an evil desperado or he’s not.

    They were also executing a search warrant on the premises.

    Dave (1bb933)

  125. So from the link at 116, the indictment was near beer.

    Narciso (49b187)

  126. I’m not getting over it:

    You should. Your link was tantamount to “Squirrels!” The guy with the Tricky Dick tramp stamp used Corsi and Credico as conduits for communicating with Wikileaks–a group that disseminated emails given to them by Putineer hackers–who then communicated with senior Trump personnel about those hacks.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  127. paul likes it when daddy romney does his special probing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  128. The NYT article linked at the beginning of the post links to the So-Called Indictment. But read it with a friend or relative by your side to nudge you or maybe even snatch the computer from your hands when your eyes glaze over.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. It gets quite maudlin, no one really had objections in the newsrooms when assange detailed diplomatic cable traffic and sigint programs and data, they all loved him then.

    Narciso (49b187)

  130. paul likes it when daddy romney does his special probing

    Tsk, tsk. I haven’t gotten personal with you, happy, and it’s just a fact that I defended your smears of public officials.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  131. Or, never mind, you were talking about Paul Ryan.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  132. sorry i was unclear Mr. Montagu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. Can someone please explain why we are supposed hate it like poison when Clinton lied about getting blown by a bonified American but we are supposed to be bored as hell when Trumps people lie about contact with actual foreign agents?

    Nic (896fdf)

  134. You’re not cereal, I get that, it’s not illegal to contact an information clearinghouse that ar least a dozen publications based their pulitzers on.

    Narciso (49b187)

  135. if CNN Jake Tapper fake news practiced actual journalisms wikileaks would be out of a job overnight

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. *over night*

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  137. @141 No, I’m quite serious. It’s also not illegal for one adult to consentually give oral sex to another adult, even if one is married and also the President of the United States.

    Why should we care about Clinton’s lie, but not the various Trump organization lies?

    Nic (896fdf)

  138. sorry i was unclear Mr. Montagu

    De nada.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  139. No, my mistake… 27 29 federal agents and 17 vehicles… when asked why he was at the Stone residence with a camera crew at 6AM, the CNN reporter said it was “just reporter’s instinct”.

    Schiff, yeah… what’s not to be believed!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. People see the weakness of the charges, and see the liars of the press.

    Actually people are seeing a bunch of people linked to Trump bobbing, weaving, lying, spinning, and otherwise acting like people act when they are guilty and trying to avoid responsibility, and coming to the rather obvious conclusion that they are not innocent.

    Kishnevi (bec396)

  141. People are seeing the Washington Power Elite in cahoots with the Media, whose job is supposed to be keeping a critical eye on the Washington Power Elite. But Herr Mueller’s a hero to them, so you can forget that, Sunny Jim.

    There hasn’t been a Federal law enforcement official this revered and beloved since Archibald Cox. But hey, I’m just a Superfan so what do I know.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. “Why should we care about Clinton’s lie, but not the various Trump organization lies?”
    Nic (896fdf) — 1/25/2019 @ 7:01 pm

    Agreed. We should take away Trump’s law license.

    Munroe (c9a127)

  143. I feel the bile and disgust rising, so perhaps it’s time for some Beach Boys on this end.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. Yes, it does look like Mueller needed to show he was still there and CNN needed to recover from the Indian shaman shamefulness, so one hand washed the other and [we won’t say what they did next].

    nk (dbc370)

  145. @125. “Been there. Done that.” – Uncle Sam

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  146. It’s certainly NC 17, the crime was to defeat Hillary and her coterie of rizzotto tray slavering scribes

    Narciso (49b187)

  147. Right on cue, Spanky declares victory!

    “I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!”

    We did listen to your words on the Border Wall. Mexico was supposed to pay for 100% of it.

    Mali aurantii est.

    Dave (1bb933)

  148. It’s an orange?

    nk (dbc370)

  149. Stop splitting atoms with your mind:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/26/melania-trump-apology/

    Narciso (49b187)

  150. @149 Well, Clinton was also impeached. (he wasn’t removed from office, but he was impeached)

    Nic (896fdf)

  151. Can someone please explain why we are supposed hate it like poison when Clinton lied about getting blown by a bonified American but we are supposed to be bored as hell when Trumps people lie about contact with actual foreign agents?

    Why should we care about Clinton’s lie, but not the various Trump organization lies?

    I bolded the important parts of your questions so that maybe you could see the major difference.

    Naturally, all bets are off if and when it turns out that Trump himself committed perjury.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  152. @153 Uh huh. Still doesn’t tell me why we are supposed to be outraged at Clinton but not at the Trump people.

    Nic (896fdf)

  153. And the dems had a pep rally and arlen specter muttered about Scottish law, therein lies the difference.

    Narciso (49b187)

  154. @158 Should the organization people be excused because they are not the president?

    (for full disclosure I don’t actually care all that much about either Clinton’s Lewinsky lie or Trump’s campaign finance violations paying off Stormy Daniels. I was way more concerned about Chinese influence during the Clinton era and the problem of Russians in the current administration)

    Nic (896fdf)

  155. Still doesn’t tell me why we are supposed to be outraged at Clinton but not at the Trump people.

    It’s outrageous!

    nk (dbc370)

  156. Well that was Chinese money that enabled them to receive targeting info for the missiles, that also was dispensed with rather quickly. In fact I dont think the Clintons have been legally accountable for nearly 30 years.

    Narciso (49b187)

  157. @160 (Well we don’t like the Dems) is certainly… clarification. Feeds nicely into a Rachel Maddow “It’s OK if you’re a Republican” style worldview.

    Nic (896fdf)

  158. No I’m just illustrating their mindset there was never a special prosecutor for Bobby baket or related matters it was only with Nixon that he was deemed to have transgressed ths norms.

    Narciso (49b187)

  159. And maddow circles the wagons, ignoring her own writings re interventions.

    Narciso (49b187)

  160. The internet seems to think that Bobby Baker was investigated and had to resign? And then was convicted of tax evasion?

    Nic (896fdf)

  161. They didn’t trace him back to Johnson did they, I was giving one example, his string of radio stations acquired curiously was another.

    Narciso (49b187)

  162. Internet tells me they did trace him back to Johnson and investigated their early business dealings together. IDK about the radio stations. Is this like Cohen and the taxi medallions?

    Nic (896fdf)

  163. It’s an orange?

    A bad orange one.

    IYKWIMAITYD

    Dave (1bb933)

  164. Stop splitting atoms with your mind

    Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  165. 69 Tom M

    Agreed conspiracy theories are rarely valid. According to Hsu of the WP. activity at the Courthouse on Thursday is rare and indictments tend to be on Fridays. He cites 2 cases, one in July and one in February, where indictments were announced on Fridays. The defendants were Russian nationals not in the US.

    White collar defendants with no prior criminal history, no history of violence or reason to suspect violence, not a flight risk, and who have submitted to interviews and/or testify to a grand jury tend to be asked to surrender at the courthouse. Grand jury proceedings are secret and only a believer in conspiracy theories could possibly think that information about a warrant would leak. (This is likely a conspiracy theory: “Horowitz said he planned to issue a report on the matter, as well as another one on leaks from the FBI.”) https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/justice-dept-inspector-general-fbi-director-face-questions-from-congress-on-report/2018/06/18/eee1842e-727a-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.ee7d3d60e471 In Stone’s case he was not asked to surrender, but was arrested in a predawn raid by some 30 FBI agents, US Marshalls and local police in full tactical gear. CNN set up its cameras prior to the raid. No other TV outlet covered the arrest.

    I did not say anything about the allegations contained in the indictment or about other Special Counsel cases. I believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty; and that Federal prosecutors do not seek indictments unless they believe they have enough admissible evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty; and the prosecutor believes the defendant is guilty of the charge. I will wait and see what happens in the Stone case. I do not believe that “old fashioned reporting” explains CNN’s presence at the Stone arrest.

    Stu707 (a0c2d4)

  166. @158 Should the organization people be excused because they are not the president?

    It’s the other way around: You are comparing Bill Clinton himself committing perjury — a fact that is not in doubt — with a bunch of Trump sycophants and hustlers who have apparently committed perjury. Nobody is forgiving anybody here. But you are all up in arms because you apparently want to believe that just because a bunch of people who surrounded Donald Trump lied, it somehow works out that Donald Trump himself is proven to be as much of a liar as Bill Clinton. I’m telling you that it doesn’t work that way, even though we may eventually come to find out that Trump himself has run afoul of the law just like Bubba did.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  167. A bad orange one.
    IYKWIMAITYD

    I do, now, but I had to do it from the Greek.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. @173 Ah, no, sorry, I didn’t mean that we know that Trump is or is not a perjurer. I am waiting on the Mueller report before I make a judgement on that. Things don’t look good for him right now, but there is a world of difference between things not looking good and there being an actual legal problem.

    The point I was attempting to make is that if,during an investigation, someone lies to the FBI or Congress about something that is not otherwise a crime and one is outraged about it because it’s a lie to the FBI or Congress, it makes no sense to then, with a different group, not be outraged if someone lies to the FBI or Congress, even if it’s about something that isn’t otherwise a crime, unless it’s really just a partisan thing.

    Nic (896fdf)

  169. Nic, the difference is that had there been no Starr investigation, Clinton would still have committed perjury. In other words, it wasn’t a case of launching an investigation, then finding process crimes that would not have occurred had there been no investigation.

    Also, the Paula Jones case in which the perjury occurred was not “something that was not otherwise a crime”, or is that how you think of sexual harassment?

    Munroe (ae75bf)

  170. What he lied about was not otherwise a crime. The crime was that he lied about it. Monica Lewinsky has always maintained she absolutely consented to the relationship, so what we have is a consenting relationship between two adults. Gross, but consensual, so not a crime.

    Nic (896fdf)

  171. Not by the law he signed, which Joe Biden came up with (small irony)

    Narciso (49b187)

  172. Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick Hit Them With Your Karma Stick

    In the deserts of Tucson
    And the gardens of Forest Lawn
    In New York, they want him banned
    Every woman, every man

    Hit them with your karma stick.
    Hit them! Hit them!
    No holds barred, punched in the dick
    Hit them! hit them! hit them!
    Hit them with your karma stick.
    Hit them slowly, hit them quick.
    Hit them! Hit them! Hit them!

    In the Hills of Beverly
    And the vineyards of Kennedys
    Millennial, geek asshole
    Move their body to and fro.

    Hit them with your karma stick
    Hit them! Hit them!
    Das ist gut! C’est fantastique!
    Hit them! hit them! hit them!
    Hit them with your karma stick.
    Ain’t nice to be a lunatic.
    Hit them! Hit them! Hit them!

    On the dock of Frisco Bay
    On the road to St. Tropez
    From L.A. to Santa Fe
    Over hills and far away
    Hit them with your karma stick.
    Hit them! Hit them!
    When they’re crass, a kick in the ass
    Hit them! Hit them! Hit them!
    Hit them with your karma stick
    Hit them hard, hit them quick.
    Hit them! Hit them! Hit them!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  173. Which law was it?

    Nic (896fdf)

  174. With apologies to teh late Ian Dury and the Blockheads… another great band.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  175. Law against nature.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  176. According to Paula Jones, Slick Willie’s willy was like a roll of quarters that zigged when it should’ve zagged…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  177. their dicks in the dirt
    it was always a dull day
    unless Trump got hurt

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. Also, the Paula Jones case in which the perjury occurred was not “something that was not otherwise a crime”, or is that how you think of sexual harassment?

    As far as the law was concerned, it was a civil lawsuit for money damages and an apology.

    Also, please avoid using the inapplicable phrase “sexual harassment”. As governor of Arkansas, Clinton was a celebrity entitled to take certain liberties with Ms. Jones, or any other woman, if he pleased, and the preferred term for what she alleged is “locker-room talk”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  179. roger stone is lucky he is not a black activist or he would have been fred hamptoned. or those kentucky kids were lucky they didn’t get kent stated!

    lany (e92183)

  180. Whats it like being the smartest person you know, Dave?

    mg (8cbc69)

  181. Go for it, Roger Stone. Get a tattoo of Trump drilled into your back next to that aging one of Nixon. Then, at least their likenesses will be behind bars even if they’ve eluded justice due to the immunity of the Presidency.

    noel (e07fb0)

  182. Meanwhile…..

    CNN
    @CNN
    More babies are dying before their first birthdays in Venezuela as the country is mired in a severe economic and political crisis, according to a new study
    __ _

    Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D., M.S.
    @Neoavatara
    Doesn’t make any sense.

    They have a universal right to health care.
    __ _

    harkin (e15868)

  183. you are a funny man, mg. Top o’ the morning to you!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. 189… someone’s been reading Goldberg’s sad fantasies.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  185. So much hate for a man you don’t know. Roger Stone seems like a jerk, but this seems like it was done for media press and a show trial. The indictment reads like a bad joke.

    NJRob (77dd4a)

  186. “Well, that’s because he’d rather have a puppet as the president of the United States,” Clinton retorted.

    Trump shook his head and said “no puppet, no puppet.”

    “You’re the puppet,” he said.

    Clinton continued: “It’s pretty clear you won’t admit —”

    Trump interjected again.

    “You’re the puppet,” he said. “No, you’re the puppet.”

    Clinton…”You are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do,” Clinton said. “You continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race.”

    (How true. How true. Quoting Clinton makes me throw up a bit but, once in a while, she is right. That stopped clock theory, I guess.)

    noel (e07fb0)

  187. After all of that. All the accusations of kissing up to Putin during the campaign and since, Trump still meets with him multiple times…. without any witnesses, recordings or transcripts?? Seriously, guys. Get a clue.

    noel (e07fb0)

  188. I wish they had him on a hot mic when they forged the agreement to throw support to Maduro.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  189. Do people really want to go with Russia. Read an was willing if they moved into western Europe, from codevilla we know that would have escalated quickly. They planned tactical nuclear strikes from the get go.

    Narciso (78e056)

  190. Nixon was brilliant, loved his country, liked dogs, played the piano. In many ways a good person undone by paranoia and abuse of power. Trump is… nowhere near the man Nixon is, sorry. Trump’s great at telling people what they want to hear, positioning himself in the spotlight, and taking other people’s money. That’s it.

    JRH (fe281f)

  191. After all of that. All the accusations of kissing up to Putin during the campaign and since, Trump still meets with him multiple times…. without any witnesses, recordings or transcripts?? Seriously, guys. Get a clue.

    And don’t forget that Trump’s favorite daughter and her husband are Jewish and Trump was the only President to actually implement a forty-year old law that recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital! It’s the International Communist-Zionist-Masonic-Conspiracy to take over the World and pollute and impurify our precious bodily fluids!

    nk (dbc370)

  192. Yesterday, Catholic school boys… today, Roger Stone… tomorrow, you…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeX5OZr0A4

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  193. In many ways a good person undone by paranoia and abuse of power.

    Loyalty. He “abused his power” to protect three (five?) of his people who were implicated in Watergate. If he had been half as good at throwing them under the bus once they were of no use to him as Trump is, he would have been just fine.

    nk (dbc370)

  194. Well yeah, but the dems always have a sirica to put the screws to the other team, who do we have, Sullivan lamberth puppies by comparison.

    Narciso (78e056)

  195. In the long twilight struggle, regrettable things were done like bringing some of the worst killers, into the country, in order to fight equally Savage forces across the iron curtain and elseehere.

    Narciso (78e056)

  196. “After all of that. All the accusations of kissing up to Putin during the campaign and since, Trump still meets with him multiple times…. without any witnesses, recordings or transcripts?? Seriously, guys. Get a clue.”

    Yes and add to that that Trump’s Casinos have *already* been in legal jeopardy for laundering Russian mob money and that Russian banks are the only ones who would lend him money after 4 bankruptcies. *And* that Trump’s campaign manager was sharing polling data with the Russians. And a steady stream of lies about Russian contacts witht he Trump campaign. Some people will need it really spelled out before they believe what’s in front of them though.

    JRH (fe281f)

  197. prissy li’l wingebags
    they need a right good hiding
    these grizzled henchmen

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. So Nixon didnt really do anything more than any other predecessor and no worse than successors, but were suppose to give credence to mark felt 2.0 and his enablers. Who previously had worked for castle bank to extend the analogy

    Narciso (78e056)

  199. Dems don’t even bother to take off their jetsey when they come to referee, yet Republicans have to recuse (sessions, berman)

    Narciso (78e056)

  200. So in lieu of a viable alternative, no the mormon version of Turnbull doesn’t count, I’m sticking with trump. FWIW so you want the progs to have another win after year zero the boat people the fall of the Shah et al, knock yourselves out.

    Narciso (78e056)

  201. I know its more narrative, unlike running over sandmann with a snow blower then backing up again and again.

    Narciso (78e056)

  202. Yep, h8ers gonna h8!

    “The incident at the Lincoln Memorial involving a group of boys from Covington High has become a national Rorschach Test. Some see a group of privileged white teens taunting a Native American with a peace drum. Others see a group of school kids who did little to nothing wrong.

    People are entitled to disagree, but what is completely unacceptable is the level of violent imagery directed at kids by adults. The respected journalist Reza Aslan tweeted “Honest question. Have you ever seen a more punchable face than this kid’s?” A writer for Saturday Night Live offered oral sex for anyone who managed to punch one of the kids in the face. Trevor Noah let these school kids know that not only did “everyone” want to punch these boys out, but he did too. The list goes on and on.

    The violent rhetoric escalated, as violent rhetoric tends to do. The entertainment news website Vulture had to fire a writer after he wrote “I just want these people to die. Simple as that. Every single one of them.” The school had to be temporarily closed as a result of death threats.

    These are adults talking about harming children! It can’t be excused as a joke. It can’t be explained away as “the heat of moment.” Many threats and much abuse takes place in the heat of the moment. High tempers are no excuse.

    All this has a highly gendered aspect to it. It is very hard to imagine Reza Aslan or Trevor Noah saying that they want to punch out a 17 year old girl. There has been a lot of talk about boys and “toxic masculinity” lately and conversations about masculinity are well worth having. But the Covington High incident shows that we are far too quick to believe the worst about boys and too quick to reach for images of violence in retribution for their perceived sins. What could be more toxic for America’s school boys than their having the sense that they are objects of suspicion and that adults are this ready to wish them harm?

    When these high school boys move on to college, they will encounter a world where too many adults think that, because boys and young men are so dangerous, pain is actually good for them. The influential journalist Ezra Klein has written that college men (and only men) need to feel real fear before any sexual encounter: “Because for one in five women to report an attempted or completed sexual assault means that everyday sexual practices on college campuses need to be upended, and men need to feel a cold spike of fear when they begin a sexual encounter.” (A post in the near future will discuss the claim one in five women have been the victim or sexual assault of attempted sexual assault.)”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2019/01/24/the-level-of-violent-imagery-directed-against-covington-high-boys-is-dangerous-and-wrong/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  203. I’m changing my mind about Sessions. I think he had his own agenda, such as more asset forfeitures, and he dropped the ball on other things such as Russia!Russia!Russia! and DACA.

    nk (dbc370)

  204. Sessions, one of many who couldn’t manage to tell the truth about Russia for some reason.

    JRH (fe281f)

  205. He tried his hardest on the latter, but you have apparatchiks in robes, he was precluded from the former because of this smoke and mirrors. Whitaker tries to move the ball and they dump the kitchen sink on him.

    Narciso (78e056)

  206. so Hillary was working fist and glove with the corrupt overheated and inappropriately sexual men and women of the dirty FBI from the very beginning

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  207. Yes that’s the takeaway. They are her praetorian guard. They don’t care how many secrets went to six intelligence services.

    Narciso (78e056)

  208. The influential journalist Ezra Klein has written […] men need to feel a cold spike of fear when they begin a sexual encounter.

    Absolutely, positively, definitely, without a doubt, if it’s with one of the women Ezra Klein knows. There are any number of diseases without cure or treatment the man could catch.

    But I don’t think that’s what he meant. I think he had been talking to Milo Yiannopoulos, who has advocated that college boys are better off staying away from college girls and instead getting oral sex from a gay man.

    nk (dbc370)

  209. Right milo was just a tech writer until he saw the sjw hiding the fact his people were being lynched burned and stabbed in greater Airport one,

    Narciso (78e056)

  210. All these journolisters dont change their stripes, yet we still care about what they say. They shoved Obamacare down our throats without salve.

    Narciso (78e056)

  211. He tried his hardest on the latter, but you have apparatchiks in robes,

    I’m not so sure about that. A memorandum that DACA, and ergo Obama’s executive order, was unconstitutional, just begged for litigation. I would just have had Trump sign a new executive order saying we now have the resources and we’ll use prosesutorial discretion to re-allocate them and faithfully enforce the immigration laws that Congress has passed.

    nk (dbc370)

  212. Yes and that would have taken 18 months and longer look at the current court deliberation only judge hanen stepped up before, no one else in any other circuit, it doesn’t matter what the law is, it’s only about their power.

    Narciso (78e056)

  213. There is no law behind Daca it doesn’t matter. There was a statutory framework behind the immigration pause, they debated every comma. Same with asylum rules.

    Narciso (78e056)

  214. so Mr. Drudge found this article on “synthwave” and that reminders me amazon prime has Neon Demon as part of the included with prime package right now

    the soundtrack’s the best part of this movie, and it’s very much in the realm of the synthwave genre

    Neon Demon is one of those put-it-on-in-the-background movies filled with great images and fun dialog and boisterous lesbians and oh hi it’s keanu reeves but doesn’t seem to add up to anything what can be said to be a great film – but it’s still a fabulous exercise in whatever exactly it’s trying to achieve there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  215. So Comey ex coffee boy Campbell is outside stones apartment and no one finds that curious?

    Narciso (78e056)

  216. There’s no law but that there is no law that cannot be flaunted or disregarded.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  217. The news media cant actually give a legal basis, so it just opens up the waterworks, selectively, victims of illegals disappear like comrade ogilvy.

    Narciso (78e056)

  218. Trump’s great at telling people what they want to hear, positioning himself in the spotlight, and taking other people’s money.

    You left out cheating on his wife.

    Loyalty. He “abused his power” to protect three (five?) of his people who were implicated in Watergate. If he had been half as good at throwing them under the bus once they were of no use to him as Trump is, he would have been just fine.

    Nah, you’ve got the narrative all wrong. Four out of the five burglars had brown skin (probably head-lice too) – he was a victim of crime committed by immigrants!

    Build the wall and crime will fall!

    Dave (1bb933)

  219. “The story of a group of white parochial school kids wearing MAGA hats heaping racist abuse on a dignified Native American Vietnam veteran sparked an inferno of indignation across mass and social media. The incident was depicted as an iconic example of toxic white smugness, as well as a recapitulation of the history of European conquest of the American continent from its earlier inhabitants. Respected journalists and public figures responded to the images of a “smirking” teenager with calls for violence against him, his classmates, and their parents. Even after the story was debunked, many commenters kept their outrage burning, and pointed to photos taken years before, involving none of the participants in the recent event, as evidence that the school– Covington Catholic High School, in Park Hills, Kentucky–is infected by a virulent racism that can be cured only by closing it, razing it, and sowing salt in the ground.” — Seth Barron

    “Poorly sourced, slanted reporting has become the new standard among prestige media. Three weeks ago, a little girl, black, was shot and killed in a Houston parking lot; initial reports that the shooter was white turned a local police item into national news. The New York Times ran stories on the case for days, exploring the implications of targeted, race-based murder in an age of intolerance. When it emerged that the child was killed by two black gang members gunning for their enemies, coverage of the story ceased.”

    “. . . Over the last year, we’ve seen a spate of cellphone videos capturing petty disputes amplified across social media and reported in the national media–as long as the footage depicts a white person complaining to or about a black person doing something relatively minor. Whether the incidents in question have anything to do with race is unimportant. Pushing the narrative that Trump has ignited a firestorm of white racism across the country requires a continual flow of stories making that point, regardless of accuracy or context. . .”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  220. …and the useful idiots will continue to assist…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  221. No moron one was a pow in Germany, most volunteered for a project the us govt gave their word on, their brothers were slaughtered on the beach or rounded up and put in pens and traded for farm equipmemt

    Narciso (78e056)

  222. Whats it like being the smartest person you know, Dave?

    I work with people who are so much smarter than me that it’s scary, and have for the last 35 years.

    Try a different insult.

    Dave (1bb933)

  223. A competitor to Wikileaks here, thank goodness.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  224. Did you complain about Wikileaks then, montagu, I did till I was blue in the face in 2010-11, and 2013-4?

    Narciso (78e056)

  225. wikileaks proved to be right about a lot of things even dirty tranny bradley manning looks better in retrospect

    he had a pretty good idea what a corrupt scum-suck enterprise the US military had become long before almost all the rest of us were even dimly aware

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  226. 230… way to set it straight, narciso. Disinformation spread so confidently needs to be eliminated.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. traded for farm equipmemt

    So we traded valuable farm equipment for future felons?

    Sounds like something Obama would do.

    Dave (1bb933)

  228. we still need a big refresh on lots of our farm equipment to minimize the labor-intensivity of agriculture and to more fully utilize gps capabilities

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  229. Dont paint me a story of how it would have gone the other way when you see the malfeasance from Yates and strzok and co.

    Narciso (78e056)

  230. Dont joke about this, pikachu this what Kennedy considered a good deal. A rather shameful exercise because he didnt have the guts to defend the decision he ordered.

    Narciso (78e056)

  231. And they wonder why the OC went blew…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  232. looks like simpering u-tosser perversity Mitt Romney’s heading straight for a shrieking hair-pulling slap-fight with Princess Lindsey

    Graham said, “This is the first time in 12 years I’ve seen a deal where you secure your border and give a better life to the DACA/TPS population. If the Democrats do not work with us, the biggest losers, in my view, are going to be the TPS/DACA recipients. Because this president will secure our border through executive action.”

    Graham added that if Democrats aren’t willing to make a deal, “I hope he will go the emergency route.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  233. Did you complain about Wikileaks then, montagu, I did till I was blue in the face in 2010-11, and 2013-4?

    Pretty much. Ever since their Collateral Murder video.
    http://theforvm *dot* org/diary/username/they-hate-us-our-freedom#comment-213167
    Patterico still won’t let me properly link to the blog where I have hundreds of diaries and thousands of comments.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  234. Good for you, every paper from the times to the post to the guardian celebrated this albino freak, until he got into their business, they do the same with the Panama and paradise papers all stolen property.

    Narciso (78e056)

  235. Alex Jones and the Tricky Dick tramp stamp here.

    Paul Montagu (27e440)

  236. Fine, Alex Jones hates Republicans the tea partyespecially, doesn’t mean I want to ban that fool,

    Narciso (78e056)

  237. Another reader of teh John Podhoretz/Jonah Goldberg prison fantasies…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  238. Can you come up with a original curated argument, is he worse than say Joe Madison who spread the dark alliance carp.

    Narciso (78e056)

  239. That taught inner city folk that the us govt wanted to murder them in mass, this came round about from standards sponsor Daniel aheehan

    Narciso (78e056)

  240. roger stone’s brought out the neurotic sexual prudery of neutered manhattan-trash chub-pundit Jonah Goldberg in a big way

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. I don’t understand the tadpole when you compare him to the father who is mostly retired but is still quite sensible, lucianne is still quite on the ball, whereas jonah appropriates Burnham’s work for his weak rapioca.

    Narciso (78e056)

  242. he’s been made stupid, stunted by the social media

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  243. Alex Jones should be living in a box under an overpass for his Sandy Hook crisis actor stuff.

    Davethulhu (9a0ae2)

  244. It’s a ridiculous theory, based on no evidence now that a fact that a border member of the joyce foundation used it to try to sell gun registration is something else again. But hes the village idiot from Plano or wherever.

    Narciso (2626ce)

  245. 252… why stop there? Must be at least a thousand or more lefties with a soapbox that could use your scrutiny.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  246. “Must be at least a thousand or more lefties with a soapbox that could use your scrutiny.”

    Name 3.

    Davethulhu (9a0ae2)

  247. Any three people at MSNBc, Sarah jeong,

    Narciso (0de495)

  248. Don Lemon, Chris Hayes, Joy Behar

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  249. Who did they deplatform after Jones a whole host of people.

    Narciso (0de495)

  250. I had to break from listening to Mott the Hoople for that, damn you!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. Next up, teh Mahavishnu Orchestra…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  252. Ok you’re going to have explain that one. How has your first days of retirement gone?

    Narciso (0de495)

  253. Col – what is the source for your quotes in 228?

    If you linked I missed it.

    harkin (e6b10c)

  254. Ok I got it, now:

    https://youtu.be/VKvNtAVZyOc

    Narciso (0de495)

  255. Just the decision made on Tuesday, all sorts of things to complete before I’m out the door.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  256. Like the way roger stone was arrested and indicted on lying to congress not treason with russian collusion. in 2024 alexandria ocasio-cortez will be president and what happened to fred hampton and mark clark will start happening to conservatives! what goes around comes around.

    lany (d6a7b3)

  257. “Any three people at MSNBc, Sarah jeong,”

    You’re ridiculous.

    “Don Lemon, Chris Hayes, Joy Behar”

    None of these people are remotely as toxic as Jones.

    Davethulhu (9a0ae2)

  258. Also, neither of you gave the reason why they’re as bad as Jones.

    Davethulhu (9a0ae2)

  259. Because they leave you stupider than you were before, o’Reilly I found trite, his researcher Dugard is fairly competent, you cant get any facts out of shep, tucker is sharp

    Narciso (0de495)

  260. They are broken records… https://youtu.be/FoqMxGnQY8I

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  261. No, this one here, narciso… https://youtu.be/gEmsgtNqmFI

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  262. 268… you obviously don’t listen to them Cthulhu.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  263. Yglesias, Klein, Weigel, Ben Smith, really… where do you begin…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  264. Because they leave you stupider than you were before….”

    Does Lemon still think a black hole may have swallowed the missing airliner?

    harkin (e6b10c)

  265. Bill Maher… most of Hollywood… most of the University of California system, quite a platform for poisoning young minds… just about every presence on MSLSD, CNN…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  266. I wanna know… https://youtu.be/8rrOdcnFbAY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  267. “None of these people are remotely as toxic as Jones.”
    Davethulhu (9a0ae2) — 1/26/2019 @ 12:55 pm

    Anyone who would ban Jones for what he says is more toxic than Jones.

    Munroe (b60588)

  268. nicely said Mr. Munroe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  269. who would think we would look back on the days of brian gumbel, it’s gotten that bad, of course he was a left wing hack, but not as agregious as say lester holt,

    narciso (d1f714)

  270. “Anyone who would ban Jones for what he says is more toxic than Jones.”

    The Sandy Hook stuff is beyond the pale.

    Davethulhu (9a0ae2)

  271. CNN Jake Tapper Fake News and their breathless unending sick sick sick exploitation of the corpses of the dead sandy hook babies was bound to elicit a response like the one Mr. Jones offered

    they created a milieu where this was just inevitable

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  272. It’s useless ‘thulhu.

    The cultists have abandoned any notion of morality to rationalize their idolatry of the degenerate in the White House.

    Now they are comparing journalists and educators they disagree with to a man who accused parents of hoaxing their murdered children’s deaths.

    Pity is all we can offer them, and it’s more than they deserve.

    Dave (1bb933)

  273. starting on Day One our president, President Donald Trump, has raised the bar dramatically in terms of the honesty, transparency, and straightforwardness what emanates form that little oval office so besmirched by dirty murderous George Bush (who lied us into not one but several costly and humiliating wars) and wanton buttboy Barack Obama (who lied about pretty much anything and everything)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  274. oopers *from* that little oval office i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  275. Conservatism’s Kathy Griffin: Ann Coulter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  276. poor Ann she’s got hot take coming out of her eyes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  277. The cultists have abandoned any notion of morality to rationalize their idolatry of the degenerate in the White House.

    Now they are comparing journalists and educators they disagree with to a man who accused parents of hoaxing their murdered children’s deaths.

    Pity is all we can offer them, and it’s more than they deserve.

    Dave (1bb933) — 1/26/2019 @ 2:27 pm

    Direct slander of fellow commenters.

    NJRob (291382)

  278. It’s people like Gestapo Mueller III who ruin everything. Roger Stone is a verpy foopter boy who enjoyed being a third of a sandwich with his wife and a young, buff Marine, but damn if I’m going to join the Mueller’s mutts to torment him.

    nk (dbc370)

  279. I don’t remember so much whining about Ken Starr. Times change I guess.

    JRH (fe281f)

  280. you’re a good man Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  281. You should see what that cooch has done to James Evans Jr….its dynomite in a bad way

    urbanleftbehind (6542f3)

  282. What Ken Starr was a very dutiful if all too earnest official. They buried him in peat moss.

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  283. I don’t remember so much whining about Ken Starr. Times change I guess.

    Times change memory. I remember a lot of whining and worse from the Democrats about Ken Starr up to and including vilification on the floor of Congress.

    nk (dbc370)

  284. ok fair enough there was plenty of howling from Dems, but I don’t remember any Republicans complaining about Gestapo Starr etc. I guess it is mostly about the jerseys for a lot of people.

    JRH (fe281f)

  285. starr’s investigation wasn’t predicated on a phony dossier procured by a cowardly navy-turd as part of a coup sponsored by the corrupt kgb-fbi

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  286. No, you got it backwards, shocker, but it was first to denounce, with Mueller all the reporters want to have his baby (Male and female)

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  287. Starr went way beyond his brief. He was assigned to investigate the Clintons’ roles in something called Whitewater and he explicitly exonerated them, while sending a couple of their friends to prison. Then some conservative activist group put the bug in his ear about Bill lying about prior sexual acts in the Paula Jones lawsuit, and we learned more about pizza, thongs, cigars, and the contents of “slutbags”* than we wanted to.

    *I don’t remember all of it but they include zinc oxide throat lozenges.

    nk (dbc370)

  288. Um, no he tried to get Susan McDougal to flip but she played La pasionaria to her late husband, the other matters like the travel office didnt get much resolution.

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  289. “I don’t remember any Republicans complaining about Gestapo Starr etc. I guess it is mostly about the jerseys for a lot of people.”
    JRH (fe281f) — 1/26/2019 @ 5:13 pm

    Yeah, total hypocrisy. Republicans cheered Gestapo Starr and looked the other way while FISA warrants were issued against Clinton operatives, Clinton’s campaign came under surveillance, and blatant espionage act violations committed by Bush Sr. got broomed. What an outrage.

    Munroe (8f2207)

  290. So Donald Trump, Rudi Giuliani, and John Bolton are sitting around, complaining about the woes of old age.

    Giuliani says: “What’s giving me the most trouble is my bowels. I’ve forgotten what a normal bowel movement was like.”

    Bolton says: “Same thing with me. I’ve become a milk of magnesia addict and that’s gotten to just barely work anymore.

    Trump says: “I don’t have those problems. Every day, just like clockwork, I have a bowel movement at seven o’clock in the morning sharp.”

    Bolton says: “That’s great, Mr. President.”

    And Trump says: “Not so great. I wake up at eight o’clock.”

    nk (dbc370)

  291. How about Dorian gray Clinton, he looks like kurt Douglas’s age

    https://t.co/TyQrlGscEY?amp=1

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  292. oh dear

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  293. Right except Bolton was on the front lines of the cold war and Rudy riding the city of the five families, who exactly was bill Clinton doing, that’s why he looks like William hickey

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  294. Aw, fer ….

    A heart attack, with loss of ventricular function, will cause wasting and make a person, any person, look like Bill Clinton does. It will be further exacerbated by the statins, the blood thinners and the dietary restrictions, but it will happen without them too.

    nk (dbc370)

  295. Hey I call them like a see them, unlike certain writers at the telegraph and the mail in fairness the former came from nina burleigh.

    Narciso (2fd6a3)

  296. “that’s why he looks like William hickey”

    “Want a cookie, my dear?”

    — Don Corrado Prizzi

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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