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1/21/2019

BuzzFeed Is Probably Not Entirely Wrong About Trump, You Know

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:25 pm



I have been at the forefront of warning people not to take anything Jason Leopold says at face value — especially when he is relying on anonymous law enforcement sources. However, my best guess is that there is something to what BuzzFeed is saying about Trump having been involved in discussing Michael Cohen’s false Congressional testimony with him in advance. One reason I think that? Rudy Giuliani is all but admitting it. Here’s the whole ten-minute trainwreck of a clip:

Much of this is Clintonian parsing of what the word “deal” means — it depends on what the meaning of “deal” is. But remarkably, Giuliani does not deny that Trump talked to Cohen about the testimony in advance. He says he doesn’t know one way or another. Then Giuliani hints that maybe he (Giuliani) is actually lying about that, and actually does know that Trump had the conversation, but can’t acknowledge it because it’s attorney-client privilege. Then Giuliana ultimately comes out with this gem: “And so what if he talked to him about it?” Giulianai’s position appears to be: sure, Trump talked to Cohen about his testimony, and believes that what Cohen was going to testify to was the truth.

Here’s the critical 90 seconds, if ten minutes is too much for you:

TAPPER: But you just acknowledged — but you just acknowledged that it’s possible that President Trump talked to Michael Cohen about his testimony.

GIULIANI: Which would be perfectly normal, which the president believed was true.

TAPPER: So it’s possible that that happened, that President Trump talked to Michael Cohen about his testimony?

GIULIANI: I don’t know if it happened or didn’t happen. And it might be attorney-client-privileged if it happened, where I can’t acknowledge it. But I have no knowledge that he spoke to him. But I’m telling you, I wasn’t there then.

TAPPER: So…

GIULIANI: It’s not significant, because the version he gave to the…

(CROSSTALK)

TAPPER: Well, Michael Cohen is — but he’s convicted of — I mean, one of the things he pled — pleaded guilty to, I believe, is lying to Congress about the Trump Tower deal.

GIULIANI: Well, which time? Which time, Jake?

TAPPER: Well, I’m talking — well, he…

GIULIANI: You can pick your time.

TAPPER: Right, but about the Trump Tower deal, about the Trump Tower deal.

GIULIANI: He under oath — under oath — but he’s pleading guilty to get a reduced sentence, which means he’s saying what the prosecutor wants him to say. If Corsi…

TAPPER: But you just acknowledged that President Trump might have talked to him about his testimony.

GIULIANI: And so what if he talked to him about it?

TAPPER: Well, is it not possible that Michael Cohen had that conversation…

GIULIANI: If it’s the truth.

TAPPER: I’m just asking you for what happened or what didn’t happen.

GIULIANI: It’s not possible. Not possible.

(CROSSTALK)

TAPPER: Michael Cohen left the conversation thinking, well, this is what the boss wants me to say; the boss wants me to say…

GIULIANI: Not possible.

(CROSSTALK)

GIULIANI: The guy driving this testimony was Michael Cohen. In other words, you and I are in a deal together. You are the guy running it. I’m the guy sitting that is back there doing 50 other things. When it comes time to remember what happens, I go to you and you tell me what happened. I don’t tell you what happened.

TAPPER: Well, let me ask you…

GIULIANI: So, Michael Cohen was telling people what happened.

I don’t know if the president was briefed by him or wasn’t. He certainly was briefed by his lawyers, all attorney-client privilege.

TAPPER: Right.

GIULIANI: But I can tell you this. Michael Cohen’s lawyers believed him at the time.

Full transcript here.

So ultimately, this probably isn’t going to come down to whether Trump and Cohen talked about his testimony. He almost certainly did. Trump is just going to say that he believed what Cohen said. And when documentary evidence comes out to show Trump was aware of facts inconsistent with Cohen’s testimony — and I’ll betcha Mueller has such evidence — Trump is going to say he didn’t remember any of that. And his superfans will believe him.

So BuzzFeed overstepped by saying they have proof that Trump told Cohen to lie. What’s much more likely is that Trump and Cohen agreed Cohen would testify to x; there’s evidence to show Trump knew the truth was not x, and Trump is going to shrug it off as a case of “who can remember every deal they have in the works with the Kremlin?” and his superfans will buy it.

So, although nobody ever knows anything for sure, that’s my best guess as to what happened and how this is all going to play out. We’ll know soon enough whether I’m right or wrong.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

107 Responses to “BuzzFeed Is Probably Not Entirely Wrong About Trump, You Know”

  1. Sorry to harsh your mellow, y’all.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. but why did dirty FBI gestapo Bobby Mueller have his boys leak this phony story to begin with

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Assumes facts not in evidence. As per usual for you.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. well leopold probably made it up out of whole cloth, or dan jones handed it to him

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. it’s still a good question

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. meh, that rabbithole is not worth chasing anymore counselor:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/germany-bans-irans-terror-linked-mahan-air/

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. No, you’re not.

    Release the Mueller Report already!

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  8. giuliani should go back to his lucrative career of 9/11 profiteering

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. when you’re arguing with idiots (i’m giving tapper the benefit of the doubt here) people can be confused, it’s not like cnn is above making up a story out of the clear blue, in fact it has lost a number

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. the Trump Tower deal only matters as evidence that the KGB-FBI and dirty ex-marine Bobby Mueller are just looking for another process crime…

    …cause they’ve spent untold millions “investigating” and all they have is coward-lick John McCain’s phony urinating hooker dossier to show for it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Too good to be totes false!

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  12. What evidence? BuzzFeed fuels ‘Russiagate’ with bombshell report on Trump and Cohen

    https://www.rt.com/usa/449158-buzzfeed-trumo-cohen-no-evidence/

    … and Putin smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. Jason Leopold is now chained to a radiator in the Bronx. Make of that what you will.

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  14. Too good to be totes false!

    Yes, that is totally the argument here — not that Giuliani has essentially admitted parts of it, but that I am simply ignoring the evidence because of my bias. Truly a great take by you, and consistent with the high level of value you so consistently provide to this comment section.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  15. sounds like Mhitt Rhomney might could be involved Mr. Colonel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. (i’m giving tapper the benefit of the doubt here)

    he does a really terrible job of providing any kind of context about why any of this even matters

    seems like it’s just more dirty kgb-fbi gaslighting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. footsies, Mueller has collected two or three times the cost of his investigation from Trump’s corrupt henchman Manafort

    unlike Trump, Mueller is helping reduce the budget deficit!

    Axios has a story whose title begins with a jarringly inappropriate juxtaposition of three words that never belong together:

    Rudy Giuliani clarifies Trump Tower Moscow comments

    The gist of the “clarification” is basically: “Never mind!”

    Dave (1bb933)

  18. 15… hey, i’m shirtsleeves rolled up, digging thru that pile of Giuliani crazy looking for the pony right alongside you.

    And this is the thanks I get?

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  19. I’m retiring tomorrow and I’m delirious, show some mercy, please!

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  20. I’m retiring tomorrow and I’m delirious, show some mercy, please!

    Congratulations!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  21. “Inaccurate” remains inadequate.

    For the Tupperware-tight team who’ve remained silent on virtually any and all stories and speculations for nearly two years to suddenly surface and find it necessary to fire off a torpedo at this particular time has an odor of azz-covering non-denial-denial to it.

    ‘Das Boot’ may have sprung a leak.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. footsies, Mueller has collected two or three times the cost of his investigation from Trump’s corrupt henchman Manafort

    but we already have an (albeit corrupt) Rosytwat DOJ we’re paying a lot of money for that could have railroaded and framed Mr. Manafort

    so dirty Bob is still spending a crapload of money without anything to show for it…

    and it’s money that for reals would not have been spent if the Rosytwat DOJ, the dirty KGB-FBI, the corrupt FISA Courts, the gay-porn-and-skittles CIA, and Meghan’s coward-lick daddy hadn’t decided to have themselves a nice little coup

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. well leopold probably made it up out of whole cloth

    Hard to see how that would make any sense.

    In the case of the 60 Minutes TANG documents, they involved events decades in the past, with key participants deceased and unable to confirm or deny. Apart from the technical carelessness of the forgery, one might have hoped the truth would never emerge. Also, if it had affected the election taking place a couple months later, it wouldn’t have really mattered if eventually falsified. It only had to be credible for 8-10 weeks.

    In this case, future events will establish conclusively whether the claims are true or not, and nothing of consequence will occur before that happens.

    Should the story prove substantially false, by far the most likely explanation is confirmation bias and unprofessionalism, as opposed to wholesale, intentional fraud.

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. rather and mapes, are still insisting it wasn’t a total putup job, in her memoir, and the ironically titled ‘truth’ of course Thornburgh was too chicken to state that, of course he just loves mueller like rocky road ice cream,

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. @26. Suspect this may end up being more akin to the “‘Woodstein’- Sloan” “being-right-but-getting-it-wrong” snafu from Watergate days. Reporters get the grilling but it’s the editor who should take the heat.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. so dirty Bob is still spending a crapload of money without anything to show for it…

    but it’s Putin’s money he’s spending

    that’s the beauty of it

    kind of like mexico paying for the wall, except that it’s happening for reals

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. 21… thanks, I’ll strive to use the agile principles I’ve learned as I develop my comments. The process says don’t fear failure, just fail fast and move on.

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  28. Thanks, narciso! “she doesn’t look healthy does she?”

    Like a leftwing albino with conjunctivitis!

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  29. As Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin pointed out the Trump said Mueller investigation is a witchhunt so the BuzzFeed story must be true and the special counsel is lying. Mueller is trying to keep Trump from panicking and releasing the FISA warrants, Fast and Furious gunwalking and IRS targeting of tea party groups documents that would embarrass the DOJ and the Obama administration.
    I wish we saw the same level of stubbornness and spine shown by BuzzFeed from Rolling Stone with UVA Rape and CBS news with Bush TANG memos stories. Those stories would be accepted as completely true instead of forbidden as their narratives are too toxic, hurtful and insulting for progressives to acknowledge.

    Paul L. (f102db)

  30. it’s like reverse dorian gray, a workout pic she put out last week paints the same picture,

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/20/sunday-talks-rep-john-ratcliffe-discusses-mueller-ohr-and-evidence-against-corrupt-doj-officials/

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. Of course Trump discussed Cohen’s testimony with him, and they agreed on which lie to tell. Whether Trump directed Cohen to lie, or believed what Cohen told him, is irrelevant. They both knew Cohen was lying in his testimony. It’s just that Cohen has pled guilty to it. And so now the only strategy Trump though Giuliani has is to call him a confessed liar.

    Lying liars lie, that’s why they do. The reason why is because the truth is worse than the lie.

    I’m wondering what it is about Trump Tower Moscow that is worse than all the lies about it.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  32. I was referring to this:

    https://hiddenremote.com/2019/01/08/project-blue-book-debuts/

    the third such series, one in the 70s, with the tool who played major flagg, a shinier kennedy themed tale, dark skies in the mid 90s, that’s where jeri ryan came from, and this outing,

    narciso (d1f714)

  33. “In this case, future events will establish conclusively whether the claims are true or not, and nothing of consequence will occur before that happens.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 1/21/2019 @ 2:33 pm

    Karl Rove could be indicted any day now.

    Munroe (c6002b)

  34. there’s no love in Robert Mueller’s investigation – only hate and fear and desperation

    and that’s why he’s failing and getting so frantic and desperate and jittery

    don’t they teach you in the marines to have a little dignity guess not

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. well to be fair, the hatfill witchhunt was fueled by meryl nass and susan Rosenberg, who did the same type of confirmation bias, that we see in the last narrative,

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. @27. Rather was anchor as well as managing editor [a responsibility Cronkite insisted on for the gig BTW] not just a teleprompter reader and deserved the heat; he was ill-served by Mapes and the supporting cast of characters at CBS. And they paid the price.

    ‘Gunga Dan’ was a superb field reporter- his reel is top drawer- but a poor choice for anchorman; not his strength. Rather and Roger Mudd were up for the gig to replace the retiring Cronkite. ‘Uncle Walter’ preferred Mudd but had little input for his replacement w/CBS management at the time- profitability was an issue in the corporate takeover times of the early Reagan days. The network news landscape was changing as cable took lucrative root as well. CBS went with the more ratings-grabbing Rather and Mudd ended up at the History Channel. Journalist Cronkite’s biggest complaint about the anchor chair was that it literally kept him tied to the studio and he milked every opportunity to get out in the field again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. Trump will be president until jan. 20 2021 when beto o’rourke takes over. or if a another miracle takes place jan. 20 2024 when ocasio-cortez becomes president. pelosi will never allow impeachment. it is not in democrat partys interest.

    lany (79e1cb)

  38. “If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I’d like to break that story.”Dan Rather

    harkin (e6b10c)

  39. @40. Rest easy; President Winfrey will bring us together.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. “In this case, future events will establish conclusively whether the claims are true or not, and nothing of consequence will occur before that happens.”

    “Remember, my friends, future events such as these will affect you in the future.”

    —- Criswell, Plan 9 From Outer Space Dave

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  41. Karl Rove could be indicted any day now.

    Doubtful.

    As here, it made no sense to knowingly lie about something that would eventually become a matter of public record.

    Dave (1bb933)

  42. It’s just adorable seeing all the Trumpkins post their misspelled, grammatically challenged defenses of a mentally compromised traitor.

    Dumb Donnie was trying to negotiate a nine figure deal with a hostile foreign power. I’ll guarantee there were many quid pro quos. You guys are racist sheep, so you don’t care.

    DiTurno (7f1b2f)

  43. Yeah, well yo mama so fat, she wears a bell that clangs when she backs up.

    Colonel Haiku (b51704)

  44. AMLO was once a patron of this post’s main subject, he can bring him back down therein with a lot of pipe tape and a blowtorch.

    urbanleftbehind (b6a7f6)

  45. Jason leopold aside (tho he is very very good at FOIA requests in present day)- the other reporter on this scoop has a pulitzer, and perhaps more importantly they’ve both together broken several Trump Tower moscow stories MONTHS ahead of when mueller issued indictments covering same material. That is one reason editor (and non leopold author, for his name atm) have been so confident in trusting these sources.

    Ontop of this, what they reported is entirely consistent with information in Mueller’s guilty plea from cohen. Which said, the cohen lied to benefit and at the direction of individual one, and that he had repeated interactions with white house and trump organization about his testimony. The indictment doesn’t go further to characterize the specifics of any of these directions or interactions; namely which individuals are involved and what type of interactions occurred (iow, phone/meetings vs emails/texts/chats-or-other-papertrail-leaving-stuff).

    All mueller did was say that the article’s information did not come from his office, and that the stuff the sources were describing did not come from SCO. Which seems true from reading the article, but also from what we know (mueller got cohen via SDNY, they have all evidence against cohen used in his various pleas). If you read all the interactions closely, it basically looks like peter carr guy is trying to simply repeat what they’ve already told us. And the statement was only to pacify the white house that it didn’t come from SCO (which the article doesn’t say either, if you read it closely. it just says mueller is aware of the evidence, which would also make sense).

    While it’s obviously possible that this is all some huge error, at this point it looks more similiar to the circumstance from all the presidents men, where they wrote a story saying what a witness would testify to. And after the testimony the guy’s attorney denied that was included. Which when they followed up, turned out to be true- the witness would have testified to facts reported but he wasn’t asked about them.

    That is my fear at this point, that while mueller is very, very good… at his core he’s more about protecting the FBI’s procedures than he is about protecting the country from a president who can’t uphold and faithfully execute anything, much less the consitution (which he obviously knows next to nothing about). So the press keeps building him up to be anything, but really he was just trying to please his boss. Which doesn’t bode well for him investigating or informing us on Trump-related activities with respect to Russia. I wonder if that is the corrupt compromise that allowed RR to keep it going this long… they used the DOJ guidance to say, well the president can’t be indicted by our own rules so lets not investigate that too closely. Hopefully the public will find out everything his people do, and that he was always there and publicly presidenting his obvious weaknesses with russia… so the public will be smart enough to figure it out.

    The blowback appears to be more about needing a savior (mueller) and playing to ratings (instant reactions) than keeping it simple and teaching people how the news business works. The news isn’t as f-d as so many people seem to think, but critical reading skills and an understanding of how to build a mosaic from a lot of puzzle pieces… it’s not something that fits nicely into one tweet, but it’s how world works. I fear wwc and many of the working class has little to no interest in any of this tho, turning everything into american idol is more fun even if makes them worse, at least they feel like they understand it easier.

    fj (5fd479)

  46. Hey 46, stick to really un-keto store bought pizza.

    urbanleftbehind (b6a7f6)

  47. Confessions of a drag-queen; flats or pumps today, Rudy?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. Confessions of a drag-queen; flats or pumps today, Rudy?

    Whatever the client pays for, I’m sure.

    Dave (1bb933)

  49. 53… that’s beneath you.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. In lieu of the daily drama, speculation and outright horseschiff, it would be wonderful if Mueller would release his GD report already.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. It’s just going to be full of the same horse apples he has been handing to the post and the times and the journal.

    Narciso (8703aa)

  52. You must attend the same church, DCSCA…

    “One aspect of the Covington controversy has received very little coverage, let alone condemnation: the outright racism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism of the (very small) black-nationalist group confronting the teenagers. If you watch the nearly two-hour YouTube video, filmed by a man who seems to be a member of the Black Israelites, you will see the black men, all adult, hurling insult after insult at the students, for well over an hour. It seems accidental that the students and the black nationalists are at the same spot on the mall — the former waiting for their buses back to Kentucky and the latter staging a small demonstration.

    The students are called “hyenas,” “dogs,” “white crackers,” and “f*gg*t.” They are ridiculed for being lice-ridden and told to “to back to Europe where you come from.” One man says he can tell by looking in the students’ eyes that they will be “school shooters.” They are the “product of sodomy.” We hear that black Jesus is coming back to kick the “white crackers’ ass.” This black Christ is not like the image of Jesus the boys supposedly hold — that Jesus is a “f*gg*t child molester.” “Your president is a homosexual!” one man yells. He urges the teenagers to look up a YouTube video of Rudy Giuliani in drag, kissing Donald Trump. (I imagine he is referring toof the Covington controversy has received very little coverage, let alone condemnation: the outright racism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism of the (very small) black-nationalist group confronting the teenagers. If you watch the nearly two-hour YouTube video, filmed by a man who seems to be a member of the Black Israelites, you will see the black men, all adult, hurling insult after insult at the students, for well over an hour. It seems accidental that the students and the black nationalists are at the same spot on the mall — the former waiting for their buses back to Kentucky and the latter staging a small demonstration.

    The students are called “hyenas,” “dogs,” “white crackers,” and “f*gg*t.” They are ridiculed for being lice-ridden and told to “to back to Europe where you come from.” One man says he can tell by looking in the students’ eyes that they will be “school shooters.” They are the “product of sodomy.” We hear that black Jesus is coming back to kick the “white crackers’ ass.” This black Christ is not like the image of Jesus the boys supposedly hold — that Jesus is a “f*gg*t child molester.” “Your president is a homosexual!” one man yells. He urges the teenagers to look up a YouTube video of Rudy Giuliani in drag, kissing Donald Trump. (I imagine he is referring to the skit for a charity event in 2000 that featured Giuliani in, yes, a fetching blond wig, dress, and heels.) By “your president,” the black nationalist obviously means Trump, but one student hoists up a campaign poster of Obama, and only about 10 percent of the students are wearing MAGA hats. One boy says that most of the kids in the group aren’t old enough to vote yet.

    The students for the most part keep their distance and respond only mildly to these insults, if at all. A few briefly try out a little dialogue. There is no violence or assault of any kind. This all happens before the now-famous Nathan Phillips approaches the student group, beating his drum.

    To most in the media, the black nationalists’ words, and their role in the controversy, are apparently like wallpaper, barely worth a mention.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/black-nationalist-bigotry/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. Patterico – your guesses are entertaining, but that’s all. One could make an opposite argument that Mueller wouldn’t have gotten involved unless the story was very wrong. I will keep an open mind and wait for Mueller’s report.

    David in Cal (0d5a1d)

  54. Congratulations pool boy and car washer!!

    mg (8cbc69)

  55. @53/@58. That’s beneath Rudy, Haiku; comfort is everything. Haven’t been to church since March, 1968, Colonel. And surprise– haven’t missed a thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. @46 Most of the Trump supporters I know (not that I know a ton) are either black or have black family members. The tired leftist narrative that all Trump supporters are racist white supremacists does not bear up under scrutiny. A lot of ex Obama supporters voted flipped for Trump, remember. I think the reasons people voted for him are more complicated than most care to explore.

    JRH (fe281f)

  57. President Trump’s a beacon of racial unity that’s obvious, and that’s why so many people make up lies about him.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. @54. Dave, this lawyer-client consultation never grows old:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFv8Sr08V8

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. 61… you won’t know what you don’t know…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. And Giuliani just walked back his statements, saying that conversations between Trump and Cohen were “hypothetical”. The former mayor must’ve been in “truth isn’t truth” mode on yesterday’s talk shows.

    Paul Montagu (7dcbd1)

  61. Why does Trump keep Giuli Rudiani around? Is it like Scaramucci to give him a tax shelter for the liquidation of his properties due to his divorce?

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Honesty from a reporter at The Atlantic

    If the Covington Catholic incident was a test, it’s one I failed—along with most others. Will we learn from it, or will we continue to roam social media, looking for the next outrage fix? Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged. I’ll remind myself that the truth is sometimes unknowable, and I’ll stick to discussing the news with people I know in real life, instead of with strangers whom I’ve never met. I’ll get my news from legitimate journalists instead of from an online mob for whom Saturday-morning indignation is just another form of entertainment. And above all, I’ll try to take the advice I give my kids daily: Put the phone down and go do something productive.”

    I Failed the Covington Catholic Test

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/580897/?__twitter_impression=true

    harkin (e6b10c)

  63. Rudy was trying to explain to tapper, unlike his fmr employees the mezvinskis there is no real legal exposure in this instance.

    Narciso (8703aa)

  64. The Trump supporters I know have been disappointed so many times over the last 2 decades by the uniparty group of thieves called rinos – result sh!t happens. Annie get your gun.

    mg (8cbc69)

  65. @65. See #64.

    Know it was a ‘pumps day.’

    “Let’s go to the videotape!” – Warner Wolf, sportscaster, WABC-TV/WCBS-TV, NYC

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Cyber-jackals on the loose, trying to destroy who and what they please.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  67. Virtue signaling cyber-jackals are a thing these days…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. Most of the Trump supporters I know (not that I know a ton) are either black or have black family members.

    Only 8% of blacks voted for Trump. There may be a variation of the Pauline Kael Syndrome going on.

    Paul Montagu (7dcbd1)

  69. The gov’t is shutdown; the Mall museums and monuments are shuttered, a bad winter storm was moving through the area over a holiday weekend and there was good football on the TV.  But who knew MAGA hats and t-shirts were the new Catholic school uniform.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. Yes your ability to judge anything accurately took a few torpedoes this weekend.

    Narciso (8703aa)

  71. 74 – interesting stats you linked.

    The biggest subgroup of black voters for Trump was men w a college degree.

    Maybe they knew he’d deliver on jobs for their community instead of promises of free phones and other handouts.

    harkin (e6b10c)

  72. @72. ‘Wolf Moons’ can do that; it’s a phase.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Black support for Trump is more than the 8% of their vote in November 2016. Most if not all polls indicate that. One can only imagine how difficult it would be to voice one’s support for the POTUS, given the deterioration of the civil society.

    I had a friend – a USC grad and co-worker – who worked in our company’s Pasadena Lab. A black conservative, he unfortunately passed around 10 years ago due to diabetes. Over the years I knew him, he often told me how difficult it was to be a conservative in his community. Normally a very funny man, there was no humor in his voice when he described his treatment owing to his principles. I would imagine things have only gotten worse since then.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. a gun in every house
    a gun in every barn
    a gun on every grassy knoll
    a gun in every safe space
    Keep America Great Again.

    mg (8cbc69)

  75. Time for some introspection for a few folks… Twitter has suspended the account that spread the false narrative about Covington School students: https://twitter.com/OfficeOfMike/status/1087523569544949760

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  76. “BuzzFeed Is Probably Not Entirely Wrong About Trump, You Know”

    We haven’t confirmed this, but if true, it’s a bombshell!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. The magazine that Buckley founded wouldn’t make that mistake:

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/20/what-young-men-of-courage-teach-us-about-ourselves/

    Narciso (8703aa)

  78. Perhaps what Master P has been waiting to see. Solid proof that the Covington kids are racist.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/crackers_chris/status/1087205881173995521?

    JSkorcher (4aeca3)

  79. 82… if true, it would definitely be the end. Stranger things have happened. But not many.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. Examples noted, I would think a school like Covington Catholic given its location would have a little more “flavor” from Bengals and Reds legacies (plus P & G mgmt( living in No Kentucky alone, unless they eschew respective CC and Newport Catholic o go to places like Moeller, Bacon, LaSalle on the Ohio side.

    urbanleftbehind (b6a7f6)

  81. Well I described the circumstance under which buzzard feeds stories have panned out re trump.

    Narciso (8703aa)

  82. Ever notice how more and more rino no trumpers embrace and assist in spreading the alinsky type teachings of the liberal doctrine?

    mg (8cbc69)

  83. Nobody uses more Alinsky tactics than Trump, mg. He is either very competent at using them or mostly incompetent, depending on what you consider his Cause. If his Cause is Donald J. Trump, then he is very competent. If his Cause is the agenda he promised, he’s batting around .200.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. And what great success have McConnell frist lott and dole been a part of, they presided over unbalanced budgets scarcity in some departments abundance in others

    Narciso (8703aa)

  85. Hey, mg, did you know that the German word for “cleaner”, as in the person who sweeps and washes windows, is Putzer? If a cleaning lady, Putzfrau?

    nk (dbc370)

  86. “BuzzFeed Is Probably Not Entirely Wrong About Trump, You Know”

    CNN is probably not entirely wrong about that Covington Catholic kid, you know.

    Blasey Ford is probably not entirely wrong about Kavanaugh, you know.

    Dan Rather is probably not entirely wrong about Bush’s Air National Guard service, you know.

    Brian Ross is probably not entirely wrong about Trump directing Flynn, you know.

    The Chicago Tribune is probably not entirely wrong about Dewey’s victory, you know.

    Munroe (7eca0f)

  87. My Magic 8-Ball isn’t entirely wrong about Trump either.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  88. I do now, nk.

    mg (8cbc69)

  89. “My Magic 8-Ball isn’t entirely wrong about Trump either“

    Don’t count on it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  90. The biggest subgroup of black voters for Trump was men w a college degree.

    From what I could tell, the vote among black men was 81-14 Clinton, and nonwhite voters with college degrees was 68-26 Clinton, so it stands to reason college-educated black men went 78-16 for Clinton.

    Paul Montagu (feb979)

  91. as many black men voted for jill stein as voted for trump that is how trump won michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and nearly minnesota. convicted felons are now registering democrat/independent over republican with nearly 100,000 so far. democrat party has sent every convicted felon in floriduh a letter on how to register.

    lany (79e1cb)

  92. true its not wrong cos the russian meetings have alot to say about him. firing of he FBI head also indicates much about trump and his doings.

    craig joburg clinic (615499)

  93. 20% of 18 to 35 y/o black men voted for Romney in 2012, I do wonder if that was the effect of Erskine Bowles and its threat to RIF the armed forces.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  94. So in other words, Trump dragged Clinton down to Jerry Brown vote splits with black men. In Cali, that means squat because the Hispanic, young Asian, LBG##, and enviro vote can fill in, but nationally that is danger Will Robinson for the Dems, especially when that vote has become the last redoubt in Ohio.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  95. What all thsi gioes to shwo you is that when aperson is falsely accused, it is much harder on his lawyers than when he is guilty. If the clienet is innocent the lawyer doesn’t know all the facts.

    It seems that at some point Trump’s lawyers told Mueller that Trump did not remember the dates of any conversation with Cohen about the Trump Tower in Moscow and therefore when was the last one.

    Cohen himself at first said he stopped negotiating in January, 2016 and laetr that it was in July 2016. Apparently the last contact about this with anyone outside the Trump organization was in July, 2016.

    Trump can say it went on until the day he won but that doesn’t mean anything. It just means he never dismissed it from his mind (at least, as something that might happen if he lost.)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  96. Important: Russia revived this idea in 2015 when Trump announced for president. Trump had been intereedted in this for years, but the project had been dead or moribund.

    But Putin almost certainly never had any intention of letting Trump operate a hotel or whatever in the center of Moscow or it would have hapepned before (Why? Well, after all, for one thing, that would let Trump know about bugs) But Trump didn’t realize how unlikely and impossible this was.

    Putin was dangling this Trump Tower in Moscow in front of Trump (not clear how interested Trump was) like a carrot in front of a donkey or a mechanical rabbit in front of a greyhound dog.

    There is an obvious conflict of interest here, and we see that a conflict of interest can happen without anything actually happening – just the hope of it.

    Whcih was misplaced.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  97. Mueller statement that

    “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special
    Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate”

    means taht Buzzfeed;s report is rentirely wrong (or lacking any kind of support)

    What it measns is that Michael Cohen had not told ANY OF THIS to his office at any time.

    And if he didn’t, the story is probably not true.

    Or he and his lawyer are really really crazy.

    Michael Cohen is supposed to be co-operating and telling the whole truth now.

    Are we supposed to believe that Trump, or some intermediary, told Michael Cohen to lie, but Michael Cohen idn’t tell that to the Special counsel’s office after he began co-operating, but he *did* tell that to some other law enforcement people not working for the special counsel’s office or toi some other law enforcement or to reporters from Buzzfeed??

    It seems to me very likely that It seems likely that his Clinton connected lawyer and/or other
    people did tell that, or confirm that, to Buzzfeed. After all, Lanny Davis had to retract something where Michael Cohen supposedly knew something damaging to Donald Trump once before:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/lanny-davis-cnn-claim-hurt-michael-cohen-2018-8

    …. Aug. 28, 2018, 6:56 PM

    Michael Cohen’s attorney has come under fire in recent days after backtracking on explosive claims that his client had knowledge that President Donald Trump knew in advance of the controversial June 2016 Trump Tower meeting involving top campaign officials and a Russian lawyer.

    The reversal from Lanny Davis, the attorney, sparked widespread condemnation — particularly on the right— of a July CNN story citing multiple sources who claimed Cohen was prepared to tell special
    counsel Robert Mueller about Trump’s advance knowledge of the meeting.

    It also opened up Cohen to new questions about his credibility and, experts told Business Insider, it may complicate his ability to cooperate in other investigations.

    And now Michael Cohen doesn’t want to testify to Congress probably because he doesn’t want to be asked
    about whether any of this is true or not.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  98. It is too late now for Cohen being “prepared to tell” Mueller something. This is something he should have already told Mueller.

    Unless, of course, it is not true.

    And this whole thing is a Democratic Party connected dirty trick like the Dan Rather George W
    Bush National Guard story in 2004.

    Buzzfeed says it has been prepped (working on this story) for months. Shades of Dan Rather in 2004.

    There are is some clues this is a Democratic Party linked hoax. Some Democrats were very fast – too fast – to rush out with this, like they knew it wouldn’t stand up. And some time ago Senator Amy Klobuchar asked a question like she knew this was coming up. She’s also a person who asked Christine Blasey Ford is psychiatrists notes were good evidence – while probably knowing that they did NOT back up her story.

    But quite the opposite.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  99. Cohen fears the New York Times??

    The Christian schools involved are indepedent Protestant ones often set up originally in the wake of desegregation.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)


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