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1/12/2019

New York Times: FBI Investigated Whether Trump Worked for Russia

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:57 pm



I guess it makes sense now that Rosenstein appointed a special counsel, huh?

In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, took over the inquiry into Mr. Trump when he was appointed, days after F.B.I. officials opened it. That inquiry is part of Mr. Mueller’s broader examination of how Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Trump associates conspired with them. It is unclear whether Mr. Mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter, and some former law enforcement officials outside the investigation have questioned whether agents overstepped in opening it.

Of course, it’s absurd to think that Trump was in contact with the Kremlin, and no evidence has emerged of that. In fact, not a scrap of evidence has come out that anyone even connected to Trump was in secret contact with Kremlin officials, with the following small exceptions I typed from off the top of my head:

  • Trump’s campaign manager gave internal polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, whom Mueller has described as someone who has “ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.”
  • Trump’s campaign manager, son-in-law, and so met with a Russian operative to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. That operative has since been indicted for obstruction of justice, for her secret collaboration with the Russian prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika, on behalf of a ompany run by a Putin-connected Russian oligarch.
  • Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer contacted “Russian Official 1″ (Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s Press Secretary) regarding a Trump Tower Moscow proposal.

With the exception of these contacts, and probably a few dozen others that are not occurring to me off the top of my head, there is no reason to think that Trump’s people had anything to do with Russia. And anyway, Trump himself says so:

And Donald Trump is a fearless truth-teller.

The Deep State strikes again. They are the true enemy of the American people.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

318 Responses to “New York Times: FBI Investigated Whether Trump Worked for Russia”

  1. How about f.b.i. investigating nancy pelosi and other establishment corporate democrats working with china to sellout the american worker.

    lany (3fae9a)

  2. at the end of the media screed about trump committing treason with russia they say we don’t know if their was any evidence that treason occurred.

    lany (3fae9a)

  3. the FBI’s corrupt and dirty

    all they wanna do is do a coup on america and destroy democracy, and the filthy rosenberg DOJ’s on board

    every single sleazy man and woman at the dirty Chris Wray fbi should be fired and placed on a no hire list

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. how would an America run by a corrupt FBI-infested police state and the dirty sleazy corrupt Mattis military be any different from Russia exactly?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Helsinki.

    End of story.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. real agents of influence, aren’t counted:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/278423/an-improvised-explosive-device?fbclid=IwAR08src47FDvMgY4GtlWbn88cEvHMewLfAl5w3NeuQKdfwtCFJp2vp1TYgw

    you mean like Vienna, 1961, disco, now that was a fustercluck for the ages, it brought us within 5 minutes of world war 3

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. I guess it makes sense now that Rosenstein appointed a special counsel, huh?

    Yep, sure does. Nobody should go without insurance.

    “You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there,” Peter Strzok, who then served as deputy chief of FBI counterintelligence, wrote to FBI lawyer Lisa Page on May 18, 2017.

    Munroe (8f2207)

  8. Mr. DCSCA how do you explain how President Trump’s taken a far harder line on Russia than buttboy Obama, war president George Bush (humiliating joke wars), or herpes Bill ever did

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. you never know when you’ll be without fake Russian socks,

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/10/fusion-gps-russia-false-flag/

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. yes yes that was the election where dirty u-tosser Mhitt Rhomney kept screeching, without evidence, that Mr. Roy Moore was a pedophile

    i took notes on that election they’re in my files

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. The NY Times piece feels more like a long recap than a big revelation. I’m sure the FBI was alarmed when Trump sacked Comey “because of Russia”. Also, the concept that “obstruction is the collusion” doesn’t make sense to this non-lawyer brain.
    It’s regrettable that this was reported by Soros-funded hacks, but the 101 contacts between the Trump orbit and Putineers are both suspicious and unsettling. I doubt that any other country, not even China, had more contacts with Trumpeteers over the same period. Also unsettling is that Trump has still not said one critical thing of Putin exclusively.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  12. Fearless.

    Truth.

    Teller.

    Dave (1bb933)

  13. the NYT periodically re-frames the narrative to help dirty Nazi Bob Mueller do his dirty dirty coup all up in it Mr. Montagu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. the dry alabama was angle even Gloria alred didn’t come up, morgan, like troy McClure, had come with the senate report on Russian socks, which verged on get smart

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. how would an America run by a corrupt FBI-infested police state and the dirty sleazy corrupt Mattis military be any different from Russia exactly?

    Russia has a competent leader.

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. as compared to yeltsin, who allowed these oligarchs to run free, yes,

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. But Mr. Dave the systemic Russia-like corruption’s obvious when you look at how the sleazy trash running the corrupt FISA court system, dirty nazi Bob Mueller, and Mueller’s dirty FBI dogboy Jim Comey have all worked together to railroad Mike Flynn.

    they need so bad for Flynn to be guilty of something so they can phony up a KGB-style obstruction charge!

    But everyone knows the dirty FBI framed Mr. Flynn just like the dirty corrupt DOJ framed Ted Stevens

    this is what they do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. well there’s an interesting detail, re the concord case, and the judge presiding over it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. @9. Cagey-be-he, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. they’re all in bed together like the duggar family

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. “Trump’s campaign manager, son-in-law, and so met with a Russian operative to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.”

    Though exactly what law was broken is curiously left out, I can tell such contacts provoke deep concern and disquiet — evidenced by the repeated mention of the golden showers dossier in the same breath, and all the hand wringing about that. LOL

    The investigation goes on and on, really for one reason: So that when congressional committees want to probe, “sorry, there’s an ongoing investigation” serves as the perfect rebuff — used to great effect by Comey, Stzrok, Page, etc. And altNeverTrump swallows it whole.

    Munroe (4bb992)

  22. Red tie at night; sailor’s delight; red tie in morning, sailor gets warning, eh, Captain, sir.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. one is reminded that rfk your idol, disco, was misled by a gru cutout, bolshakov, who had direct ties to kruschev, about the presence of missiles in cuba, that’s a policy connection,

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. repeated mention of the golden showers dossier in the same breath

    john mccain did love that little dossier so

    much more than he loved his country that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. it’s right up there with the Vicky iseman story, that john weaver, shipped to the times, because he got cut out, and couldn’t hang on deripaskas yacht,

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. Either the President is a traitor or the national security apparatus of the FBI/CIA/NSA/DIA acted as if he might be because they didn’t like his policy choices or his firing of Comey.

    Neither is good is a good look…

    You’d think we’d see the traitorous smoking gun by now…as, I don’t think you’d have Mueller do his 2yr investigation while holding such smoking gun.

    If the FBI opened a counter intelligence investigation after Comey’s firing…without any elected official/appointed oversight. We’re going to have fundamental issues in trusting our government, moreso than the usual “never talk to FBI!!” screed.

    whembly (f68468)

  27. The leadership of the DOJ wrote memos recommending that Comey be fired. Comey’s firing was then utilized as a reason to appoint Mueller: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/526116/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. it was piggy piggy Hillary that worked with fist in glove with Russians to create a fake dossier and feed it to the dirty FBI to use in their sleazy KGB-style coup

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. CNN Jake Tapper fake news won’t tell you this

    but I just did

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Not off the top of my head, but does seem salient.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. @23. Universal pageantry; Ukraine girls really knock ’em out; leave the West behind. And Moscow girls make ’em sing and shout.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. I’m waiting on Mueller’s report. Obviously there are things out in public that are a concern, but legal situations tend to be more complex than what would seem obvious on the surface.

    The thing that always makes me side-eye though is that I remember the response when Mueller was first appointed. Based on his life-long history, everyone. EVERYONE. pretty much agreed he was the right guy, though some of the more liberal people were somewhat concerned about his status as a Republican. Then, when he didn’t immediately dismiss the concerns, some of the more, um, fervent of Trump’s supporters started to vilify him. This does not lead me to believe that he isn’t a good investigator, it leads me to believe that some people don’t want a real investigation.

    Nic (896fdf)

  33. Moscow girls will ply you with fancy liquors and try to get you to make sexy with them and then you have to do everything they say

    clearly that hasn’t happened in this case

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. it’s the same old scratched 45, pat fitzgerald was without blemish, you could ask conrad black about that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. @35. He could find out for sure by requesting his FBI file via FOIA but the government is closed, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. No it never closes.

    One of us has got to be there!

    that way we begin to make money

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Though exactly what law was broken is curiously left out

    Everyone knows it’s 52 USC 30121.

    Sheesh.

    Dave (1bb933)


  38. “Eight years after its informant uncovered criminal wrongdoing inside Russia’s nuclear industry, the FBI has identified 37 pages of documents that might reveal what agents told the Obama administration, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and others about the controversial Uranium One deal.

    There’s just one problem: The FBI claims it must keep the memos secret from the public.

    Their excuses for the veil of nondisclosure range from protecting national security and law enforcement techniques to guarding the privacy of individual Americans and the ability of agencies to communicate with each other.

    Sound familiar?

    It’s a lot like the initial reasons the bureau was reluctant to turn over documents in the Russia collusion investigation, such as former FBI agent Peter Strzok’s “stop Trump” texts or the revelation that Clinton and the Democrats funded the Steele dossier.

    The FBI’s declaration and list of withheld documents – entitled simply “Uranium One Transaction” – were posted recently inside its Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) online vault.

    The bureau actually released a handful of documents, but it wasn’t a big stretch of either freedom or information. It actually just released already public letters from members of Congress demanding answers in the Uranium One case.

    I was the reporter who first disclosed last fall that a globetrotting American businessman, William Douglas Campbell, managed to burrow his way inside Russian President Vladimir Putin’s nuclear giant, Rosatom, in 2009 posing as a consultant while working as an FBI informant.

    Campbell gathered extensive evidence for his FBI counterintelligence handlers by early 2010 that Rosatom’s main executive in the United States, Vadim Mikerin, orchestrated a racketeering plot involving kickbacks, bribes and extortion that corrupted the main uranium trucking company in the United States. That is a serious national security compromise by any measure.

    The evidence was compiled as Secretary Clinton courted Russia for better relations, as her husband former President Clinton collected a $500,000 speech payday in Moscow, and as the Obama administration approved the sale of a U.S. mining company, Uranium One, to Rosatom

    The sale – made famous years later by author Peter Schweizer and an epic New York Times exposé in 2015 – turned over a large swath of America’s untapped uranium deposits to Russia.

    Mikerin was charged and convicted, along with some American officials, but not until many years later. Ironically, the case was brought by none other than current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein – a magnet for controversy, it turns out.

    But the years-long delay in prosecution mean that no one in the public, or in Congress, was aware that the FBI knew through Campbell about the Russian bribery plot as early as 2009 – well before the Obama-led Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved Uranium One in fall 2010.”

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one?amp

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Hillary Clinton did more damage with the deal that sold our uranium to Russia, but yes, the FBI should investigate Trump because he fired someone he had the power to fire.

    Rochf (877dba)

  40. buttboy obama literally shut down oil exploration in the gulf of mexico

    daddy putin gave him a special buttrub for that i bet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. If there is evidence to support yet another investigation into Hillary Clinton, then investigate her again. Don’t stop investigating Trump because you think Hillary Clinton did something wrong. There is lots of crime out there. The police don’t stop investing the robbery at your house because they suspect there’s a drug dealer out behind the Walmart.

    Nic (896fdf)

  42. Mr. Nic the problem’s how all the instruments what we have to do investigate with – they’re all corrupt!

    FISA

    FBI

    DOJ

    CIA

    all these organizations have been infiltrated and corrupted by dirty america-hating ivy league trash like Chris Wray and Rod Rosenstein

    it’s very problematic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. happyfeet, the difficulty with your persona is that it’s very difficult to tell what is reality and what is performance in your commentary.

    Nic (896fdf)

  44. wray as I’ve pointed out goes back to the mutiny over the stellar wind reauthorization, whose account is based on Mueller’s expost facto notes, there is never any rebellion among rank and file officials in the Obama or Clinton doj why is that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. “Everyone knows it’s 52 USC 30121.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 1/12/2019 @ 2:38 pm

    “No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” — James Comey

    Munroe (5bb48f)

  46. when the deep state under nixon reagan and the bush’s were using the fbi cia and other government agencies to go after critics on the left no problem now they are going after critics on the right BIG PROBLEM! as paster neimoller said when they came for me there was nobody left to say anything. what goes around comes around!

    lany (3fae9a)

  47. Freud’s notion that mental disorders could be treated psychologically will be a huge plus for the no Trump flock.

    mg (8cbc69)

  48. well therein lies the problem, freud thought sin was the natural state, and any attempt to suppress was aberrational, marx enshrined envy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. Man 1: Meets with Castro spawn in front of Che painting; tells Russia, “I’ll have more flex after the election,”; blocks pipeline that would hurt Russian oil and gas sales; ends the F22; pulls out of Iraq; invites Putin into Syrian mess; had a secretary of state taking millions from Russians “thru a foundation” pulled armored divisions from Europe: FINE!

    Man 2: sanctions Russians; amps up US oil that undercuts Russia; want NATO beefed up; send armored divisions back to Europe; wants to beef up the US military; MY GOD! HE’s IN PUTIN’S POCKET!

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  50. Cheers – HFM.

    mg (8cbc69)

  51. Freud had to have had the current and just exited republican congressional leadership and its followers in mind when he stated people are afraid of freedom because it involves responsibility.

    mg (8cbc69)

  52. @ 51 YOU man no. 1 ME man no. 2 don’t make WE! half the country 55% love man no. 1 the other half 45% love man no 2 almost none like both. very day the left gets stronger and the right gets weaker. example the democrat party with donor money (soros) has sent out a million letters to felons in floriduh telling them how to register to vote. letter say go to local democrat party hq. if they need help. conservatives days are numbered.

    lany (3fae9a)

  53. republican party and democratic old farts are lucky alexandra ocasio-cortez is to young to run for president in 2020. if beto doesn’t win in 2020 here comes aoc in 2024. polls show most young latinas idolize her and want to be her!

    lany (3fae9a)

  54. The leadership of the DOJ wrote memos recommending that Comey be fired.

    That’s not the full story. Trump asked Rosenstein to write a memo regarding Comey’s conduct, not that he be fired, and Trump then used the memo as a phony pretense to sack Comey. Trump had already decided to fire Comey regardless of any memo. Like with many who have done things for Trump, Rosy felt “used” (link). I’ll bet Cohen gets it.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  55. When you hear “not the full story”, that’s when you leave facts behind and enter the area of opinion.

    Colonel Haiku (f2f14e)

  56. Investigated and found …?

    bupkes
    bup·​kes
    variants: or bupkus
    less common spellings of BUBKES
    : the least amount : BEANS
    won’t win bubkes this year
    — Ivan Maisel

    also : NOTHING
    received bubkes for their efforts
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bupkes

    nk (dbc370)

  57. “There, where I have passed, the grass will never grow again”.
    Paul Ryan

    mg (8cbc69)

  58. “No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” — James Comey

    Unfortunately, Gentleman Jim isn’t in charge anymore.

    Some @sshole fired him…

    Dave (2a1c05)

  59. Rosenstein, had started out on starr’s staff, having exonerated clinton, then moved to main justice, where he watched over her interests in the tax division, enough to be nominated us atty for Maryland, where he helped bury the uranium one case,

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. I don’t blame the FBI for “investigating”. It would be like blaming a dog for sniffing. It’s their job to snoop.

    I do blame Trump for not firing Comey on January 21, 2017, and sparing us all this fake Russian collusion theater.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. Just spoofin.
    It was Flagellum Dei.

    mg (8cbc69)

  62. it’s like ground hog day, it could not be done, because first sessions had to be confirmed, yadda yadda, of course he didn’t know that Rosenstein was like lord rifa, or wellington yueh, but that is the point,

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. Having a pretty good memory of the 90s, I’m pretty sure that no one on Ken Starr’s staff was interested in exonerating Clinton. They ranged pretty far from their original mandate before they found something prosecutable. It would have been easy for them to close out the investigation long before they got to Lewinsky.

    Nic (896fdf)

  64. narciso (d1f714) — 1/12/2019 @ 4:07 pm

    Donald Trump must be a member of all those conspiracies too, seeing as he appointed Rosenstein.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  65. and yet it happened, because that is the pattern, republicans must be driven from public life, except at the margins, democrats must thrive like kudzu,

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. @70 I have concerns about your definition of “driven from public life”. In the last 50 years, there has been a Republican president more than half the time. Republicans have held both houses and even the Presidency for a number of years, including for the last two years. 27 of the current 50 governors are Republican. None of that is “driven from public life”

    Nic (896fdf)

  67. Having a pretty good memory of the 90s, I’m pretty sure that no one on Ken Starr’s staff was interested in exonerating Clinton.

    He’s referring to “alternative facts”.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  68. None of that is “driven from public life”

    A siege mentality is necessary for the grievance politics narrative to function.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  69. It’s important to remember that we are predisposed to believe things that confirm our own world view and to look beyond those things.

    Nic (896fdf)

  70. Today’s Russia non-story.

    The Russian lawyer who played a key role in the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Trump campaign officials, including Donald Trump Jr., tells Yahoo News she won’t return to the United States to face charges that she lied in an unrelated court case.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  71. good for her she should tell the Nazi DOJ to suck it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  72. Natalia Veselnitskaya is old news. Like many years old. http://patterico.com/2017/09/17/six-part-series-on-sergei-magnitsky-and-natalia-veselnitskaya-begins-tomorrow/#comment-2035179 She is a central figure in the events that led to passage of the Magnitsky Act, but Obama was still young and flexible at the time.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. “I do blame Trump for not firing Comey on January 21, 2017, and sparing us all this fake Russian collusion theater.”

    As if. The die had been cast long before that firing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Yes but she worked for fusion and was in contact with Simpson before and after the meet

    Narciso (6ca998)

  75. Not everything is about Trump. Now this b!tch is going to be subject to an Interpol Red Notice like she was complicit in putting out for Bill Browder and that is good.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. “The Russian lawyer who played a key role in the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Trump campaign officials, including Donald Trump Jr., tells Yahoo News she won’t return to the United States to face charges that she lied in an unrelated court case.

    Man, I sure didn’t see that coming! A non-surprise like the rest of the trial Russian show-ponies…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. Why isn’t Baker and hostetler in the net, they were contracted by her. Greg Craig senior partner at skadden arps also is untouched.

    Narciso (6ca998)

  78. Yes but she worked for fusion…

    Actually, it was Fusion GPS that worked Baker Hostetler. What I can’t keep straight is whether she or Prevezon hired Baker Hostetler, or whether Baker Hostetler had to hire her for the trial.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  79. Why isn’t Baker and hostetler in the net, they were contracted by her.

    Because doing business with someone who lies under oath isn’t a crime?

    Dave (2a1c05)

  80. Its convenient when their statements aren’t under oath ain’t it?

    Narciso (6ca998)

  81. Maybe Trump will pardon her so she can liaise between his campaign and the Russian intelligence services again in 2020.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  82. We still come back to how she was issued an open ended letter of transit, if she was under criminal investigation.

    Narciso (6ca998)

  83. Obama had more flexibility after his re-election.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. This whole Russian thing is about the Magnitsky Act. Russian kleptocrats who could no longer shelter themselves and their loot in the United States looking for every possible angle to, at first, repeal it or amend it, and when that proved fruitless to avoid being put on the list. Not about Trump putting up condos in Moscow or even Exxon-Mobil losing drilling contracts.

    nk (dbc370)

  85. buttboy obama did more damage on america than putin ever hoped to do

    the same sleazy trash what gave him 2 trillion dollars to piffle away

    the same sleazy trash what fully funded the corrupt Nazi DOJ under Holder and chunkybutt Loretta (lardass)

    the same sleazy trash what paid the salaries of the slimy dirty-ass men and women of the gestapo fbi

    they’re the ones what can’t come up with a tiny paltry amount of wall funding

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. Browder was a careless, greedy sob.

    mg (8cbc69)

  87. he was just another pig at the trough in russia at that time, one of thousands

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. Well he saw what was done to berezovsky, and didnt realize it could happen to him?

    Narciso (6ca998)

  89. But his antics set up Sergio to be murdered.

    mg (8cbc69)

  90. I disagree, however when you’re in a nest of vipers dont be surprised if you get stung,

    Narciso (6ca998)

  91. Hmm. When did Veselnitskaya put mg and happyfeet on Putin’s payroll?

    nk (dbc370)

  92. Trump is thoroughly corrupt and crooked. But we already knew that. His connections with Russian mobsters and problems with money laundering go back to at least the Taj Mahal days. So what. Seriously, does it matter? His admirers and supporters will say no. Others will say yes, but those others have been saying yes, and have been proven wrong over and over. If anyone can beat collaborating with the Russkies it is Trump.

    JRH (fe281f)

  93. “If anyone can beat collaborating with the Russkies it is Trump.”

    Oh, I dunno… Ted “Commodore Oldsmobile” Kennedy and John Kerry gave it their best shot back in the 80s and, more recently, 0bama and Teh Pantsuited Pantload tried their hand at it. All with absolutely no repercussions.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  94. Just off the top of my head…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. Ah yes Kerry who was carrying sandinista water back in the cold war, it turns out he has a tie to the second dossier foolishness that goes from Jonathan winer through cody shearer.

    Narciso (6ca998)

  96. Yep, narciso, it’s seared in my memory…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. @53. it’s a bearded spock universe

    Must be; see the fashionably Evil Cruz nodding w/the Captain at the border photo-op for details.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. The macgyver episode that they fooled the times with the so called Russian hackers in Berlin was choice.

    Narciso (6ca998)

  99. will work for uranium

    mg (8cbc69)

  100. In addition to all the other contacts with Putineers, Trump’s face-to-face contacts with Putin have been unusual, making one wonder what Trump is hiding, especially in the wake of that Helsinki Debacle, which was preceded by a two-hour meeting involving Trump, Putin, two interpreters, and no readout.

    Paul Montagu (4ec159)

  101. — Why six afraid of seven?
    — Because seven have many friend in Politburo.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. And this is what you call a non-denial denial.

    “I’m going to ask you, are you now or have you ever worked for Russia, Mr. President?” Pirro asked.
    Trump did not exactly deny it although he was very clear he found the Times report insulting.
    In response to Pirro, Trump said this: “I think it’s the most insulting thing I’ve ever been asked. I think it’s the most insulting article I’ve ever had written. And if you read the article, you’d see that they found absolutely nothing. But the headline of that article, it’s called ‘The failing New York Times’ for a reason, they’ve gotten me wrong for three years. They’ve actually gotten me wrong for many years before that.”

    And so forth. I’m guessing that that wasn’t the answer Pirro was looking for but, since she’s so in the bag for Trump, she didn’t have the stones to press the question.

    Paul Montagu (4ec159)

  103. Remind me again, who was warm and fuzzy feelings about communists, I have no such feelings. Unlike the mother living New York times who has been celebrating the centennial for an ungodly period

    Narciso (cec761)

  104. It is very difficult to take scatter shot accusations against random political opponents seriously.

    Nic (896fdf)

  105. Trump never denied beating his wife either. Hmmmm….

    Munroe (3ba8e6)

  106. Trump never denied beating his wife either. Hmmmm….

    Actually he has, just not credibly.

    Dave (1bb933)

  107. They have to ignore the steaming piles of corruption, provable collusion and conspiracy to unseat a duly elected president to continue this day after day after day…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. Yes and they will fail again like with Chinese food apocryphally.

    Narciso (cec761)

  109. Just the facts, Peabody…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. I think hes more like sherman,

    Narciso (cec761)

  111. As do others…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. Actually, it was Ivana herself who denied it. Or took it back. Either way.

    nk (dbc370)

  113. Woman’s had four husbands and four divorces.

    nk (dbc370)

  114. Actually, it was Ivana herself who denied it. Or took it back. Either way.

    We know Trump is an expert at writing checks to make his indiscretions go away (and he suggested that Mike Tyson should be able to avoid jail by paying his rape victim a sufficiently extravagant sum), so I’m sure he made it worth Ivana’s while…

    Dave (1bb933)

  115. Well Vince fuller who got John hinkley to avoid prison, didn’t do his client any favors

    Narciso (cec761)

  116. 30 Democrats in Puerto Rico with 109 lobbyists for weekend despite shutdown

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/30-dems-in-puerto-rico-with-109-lobbyists-for-weekend-despite-shutdown

    harkin (e6b10c)

  117. 30 Democrats in Puerto Rico with 109 lobbyists for weekend despite shutdown

    And Cocaine Mitch recessed the Senate from Thursday afternoon until Monday night, and went home.

    Your point?

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. McCabe? Seriously?

    Kevin M (cb624b)

  119. This is the same DoJ that was so corrupted during 8 years of Obama that it could not hire a special prosecutor for, off the top of my head:

    Fast & Furious
    The IRS weponization
    Hillary’s recklessness with TS material
    The DoJs collusive “investigation” of same
    The OPM trainwreck
    Obama’s recorded collusion with the Russians

    Kevin M (cb624b)

  120. the doj’s been a criminal enterprise unto itself for quite some time Mr. M

    and with Rosytwat in charge it went full Nazi

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  121. Beach grit new jersey boy Menendez seen in puerto rico with bikini babe loves him some off time!!

    mg (8cbc69)

  122. I don’t know why our allegedly “liberal” media isn’t talking about this much, but keep this in mind:

    1. Dec. 19, 2018
    “The Trump administration announced on Wednesday that it intends to lift sanctions against the business empire of Oleg V. Deripaska, one of Russia’s most influential oligarchs…”
    2. “…Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska loaned Paul Manafort $10 million.
    Manafort has a long and complicated financial history with Deripaska, who is closely tied to the Kremlin.
    Manafort was the chairman of President Donald Trump’s campaign, and he offered to give Deripaska “private briefings” about the campaign in 2016 in what may have been an effort to resolve his debt.

    If this isn’t a serious, gigantic red flag, then what is?

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  123. This Deripaska cat is one “colorful” character, too:

    The U.S. has refused him visa entry
    Deripaska has long struggled to obtain visa entry to the U.S. due to concerns by American authorities about potential ties to organized crime, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  124. As did the Obama administration when they hired him to look for Levinson and they used Waldman to get him visas

    Narciso (055dfe)

  125. There’s also a final graph deep in the piece, which tell you Emily rotella ignore the last 27 paragraphs.

    Narciso (055dfe)

  126. Hey Tillman,

    might want to get your facts straight like the Slimes eventually did with their late “correction.”

    The story now runs with this postscript: “A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.” Oops.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  127. “McCabe? Seriously?“

    Yes. McCabe and Mrs. Mueller.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  128. That would be miss m’fer Kim Campbell and the previous?? Linc ‘mod squad’ Chafee,

    Narciso (055dfe)

  129. If this isn’t a serious, gigantic red flag, then what is?

    This was all predicated on Deripaska divesting from those companies under sanction. I’m still all for sanctioning the crap out of Deripaska.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  130. NJRob (4d595c) — 1/13/2019 @ 7:24 am

    Where does my comment mention anything whatsoever about polling data that’s in the news now? It doesn’t – read more carefully.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  131. polling data in the news is usually fake cause it’s CNN or whatever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  132. Sounds like an excuse for a coup.

    “Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.”

    I can think of half a dozen times that the same argument could have been made about presidents and foreign policy. In the opinion of many, Obama and Kerry’s Iran deal constituted a threat to national security. Should the FBI have opened an investigation then?

    (As for firing Comey being obstruction of justice, that is supremely dangerous. The notion that the President’s exercise of his Constitutional prerogative to fire anyone in the Executive branch would constitute a crime — and be reviewable as such by an Article III Court — would destroy the Constitution.)

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a)

  133. nevertrump doesn’t care if the dirty nazi fbi does a coup on america and turns America full nazi

    they prefer the deep state (ivy league fascism) to the Trump state as Bill Kristol likes to say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  134. how embarassing though to wear the military uniform of a nazi fbi poopstate

    maybe the deep state will let our hapless tatters resign without penalty when they realize they’re wearing a nazi uniform

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. Congrats Rams!!! First playoff win in LA in quite a while.

    Related:

    Adam Schefter
    @AdamSchefter
    History will be made during today’s Chargers-Patriots Divisional Playoff. Sarah Thomas will become the first woman to officiate a playoff game. Thomas already had made history in 2015, becoming the NFL’s first female official.

    __ _
    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    Literally Handmaids Tale.
    __ _

    Jordan Woodward
    @WildWoodward
    Slave controlling Handmaids

    harkin (e6b10c)

  136. The notion that the President’s exercise of his Constitutional prerogative to fire anyone in the Executive branch would constitute a crime…

    It’s a crime (more accurately, a high crime or misdemeanor) if Mueller can prove corrupt intent, but that’ll be up to the House to judge.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  137. It’s a crime (more accurately, a high crime or misdemeanor) if Mueller can prove corrupt intent

    No, it isn’t. That’s a made up bunch of malarkey, floated by those who should know better. The Constitution gives the President authority over the Executive branch. The notion that the same action is a crime or not based on whether someone decides he has “corrupt intent” is wickedly dangerous.

    (This does not mean that the President is above the law. There are many ways a president could obstruct justice — destroy evidence, suborn perjury, bribe a judge, none of which are within his Constitutional prerogatives.)

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a)

  138. the FBI destroys evidence all the time and they never get in trouble

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. That’s a made up bunch of malarkey, floated by those who should know better.

    That’ll be up the House to decide. Back in ’74 they were ready to impeach Nixon for similar corrupt intent, so there’s some precedent.

    Paul Montagu (254294)

  140. So this like the birdbox thing it made no sense, but it was put on the air.

    Narciso (4cefba)

  141. People were hoping mad over the 73 recession which was provoked by the oil embargo and exacerbated by the release of price comtrold.

    Narciso (4cefba)

  142. This does not mean that the President is above the law. There are many ways a president could obstruct justice — destroy evidence, suborn perjury, bribe a judge, none of which are within his Constitutional prerogatives.

    Supreme command of the military is also one of the president’s “Constitutional prerogatives”.

    By your reasoning, if Trump ordered a drone strike on Mueller’s house because, based on nothing more than his sole judgment as Commander in Chief that an Al Qaeda cell might be operating out of the basement, that wouldn’t be a crime then?

    What about if he goes on TV a few days later and admits it was really because he was tired of “this Russia thing”?

    Dave (1bb933)

  143. because

    Dave (1bb933)

  144. what if he did karate on mueller and mueller started crying like a blubbery little marine baby-man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. Once upon a time Mueller he was like Murdock in first blood:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/there_is_a_pony_in_the_mueller_heap_of_dung.html

    Narciso (4cefba)

  146. It’s a crime (more accurately, a high crime or misdemeanor) if Mueller can prove corrupt intent

    No, it isn’t. That’s a made up bunch of malarkey, floated by those who should know better. The Constitution gives the President authority over the Executive branch. The notion that the same action is a crime or not based on whether someone decides he has “corrupt intent” is wickedly dangerous.

    (This does not mean that the President is above the law. There are many ways a president could obstruct justice — destroy evidence, suborn perjury, bribe a judge, none of which are within his Constitutional prerogatives.)

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a) — 1/13/2019 @ 9:37 am

    This theory is really dangerous, as it would empower any prosecutor, not just Mueller, to second-guess their superiors.

    Imagine, when Comey exonerated Clinton, another prosecutor charged HIM with obstruction of justice simply because, he/she believe Comey had “corrupt intent”.

    whembly (f68468)

  147. Imagine, when Comey exonerated Clinton, another prosecutor charged HIM with obstruction of justice simply because, he/she believe Comey had “corrupt intent”.

    Comey didn’t “exonerate” Clinton. He made a recommendation not to prosecute.

    And if done with corrupt intent, like say the prosecutions of Scott Walker or Tom DeLay, I don’t see why a prosecutor’s abuse of authority wouldn’t be subject to prosecution.

    Dave (1bb933)

  148. “It’s a crime (more accurately, a high crime or misdemeanor) if Mueller can prove corrupt intent.”

    What does politifact or snopes say!?!?!?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  149. Comey made a *promise* not to prosecute Hillary

    he promised chunkybutt Loretta he’d slow-walk the investigation then let Hillary off

    and he kept his word

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  150. Supreme command of the military is also one of the president’s “Constitutional prerogatives”.

    By your reasoning, if Trump ordered a drone strike on Mueller’s house because, based on nothing more than his sole judgment as Commander in Chief that an Al Qaeda cell might be operating out of the basement, that wouldn’t be a crime then?

    What about if he goes on TV a few days later and admits it was really because he was tired of “this Russia thing”?

    Can you cite something in the U.S. code that would make this a crime? That is the first thing you have to do before you charge anyone with a crime.

    Assuming you get over that hurdle, the short answer is that what you describe would be a manifest abuse of the Presidential office and impeachable as such.

    But an Article III court must not entertain a criminal prosecution for that. To hold otherwise would be a grave Constitutional breach, IMO.

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a)

  151. if the Article III courts are only half as corrupt as the dirty FISA courts then you don’t really need evidence

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. Today’s Cultural Engineers

    The arbiters of taste loathe their audiences.

    Joel Kotkin

    In a figurative throwback to Stalin’s day, we live in a culture growing ever more homogeneous, humorless, and strident.

    wonderful essay

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. Happyfeet,

    your last post has a link to a powerful article showing how monolithic and strident the movers of culture have become. It’s useful and adds to the conversation. Please continue doing so instead of reverting to your usual shtick.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  154. kotkin is a very sharp fellow, almost too sensible for the daily beast, which I’ve dubbed the basilisk, they receive several fruitbaskets from fusion a day

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. It’s all so obvious. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia became a kleptocracy, governed by ruling oligarchs who laundered their money through corrupt banks and fraudulent real estate deals.

    After numerous business failings, multiple bankruptcies, and hundreds of lawsuits (all settled, of course), Trump couldn’t find an American bank to loan him any money. So he turned to the one bank that would, Deustche, which not coincidentally had been convicted and fined hundreds of millions for . . . yep, you guessed it, laundering money for corrupt Russian oligarchs and kleptocrats.

    Those same oligarchs and kleptocrats had been laundering money through casinos and making fraudulent real estate deals for years. Trump was their mark. He is not the conman everyone assumes him to be; he is the mark. The first rule of sitting at a poker table with sharks is, if you can’t identify the mark, you are the mark. It’s the famous line from Rounders–“You don’t see piranhas eating each other.”

    Trump is a total fraud and a failure, deeply in debt. Some say “follow the money,” but it’s not about the money now; it’s about the debt. Trump owes serious money to dangerous characters. So does Manafort.

    So, if you look at it, bankrupt Trump goes deeply in debt with a money-laundering bank, and hires as his campaign manager (for free) a man who is deeply in debt with the dangerous characters laundering money through the only bank that would give Trump a loan.

    There are red (pun intended) flags popping up everywhere, all over this relationship. Follow the debt, the money owed by Trump, Manafort, Flynn, and who knows who else, to corrupt kleptocrats and the banks that launder their money, at casinos and in fraudulent real estate transactions.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  156. You mean like Jon Corzine whose mf global lost 1.5 billion, where was the prosecution, how could this even happen under Dodd frank?

    Narciso (4cefba)

  157. “And if done with corrupt intent, like say the prosecutions of Scott Walker or Tom DeLay, I don’t see why a prosecutor’s abuse of authority wouldn’t be subject to prosecution.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 1/13/2019 @ 10:34 am

    LOL

    If we allow theory to trump reality, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be subject to prosecution either.

    Munroe (c5c50d)

  158. Or HSBC, oh wait there is a fellow whose supposed to keep them from laundering terrorist and drug cash, the name is on the tip of my tongue…

    Narciso (4cefba)

  159. Well since John chisholm and ronnie Earle were tried and convicted, wait you mean the 7th circuit upheld his raids.

    Narciso (4cefba)

  160. Can you cite something in the U.S. code that would make this a crime? That is the first thing you have to do before you charge anyone with a crime.

    OK, how about 18 U.S. Code § 1114:

    Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished—
    (1)in the case of murder, as provided under section 1111;
    (2)in the case of manslaughter, as provided under section 1112; or
    (3)in the case of attempted murder or manslaughter, as provided in section 1113.

    Assuming you get over that hurdle, the short answer is that what you describe would be a manifest abuse of the Presidential office and impeachable as such.

    If using the military to corruptly impede the investigation is a crime, then firing him to corruptly impede the investigation is surely also a crime.

    But an Article III court must not entertain a criminal prosecution for that. To hold otherwise would be a grave Constitutional breach, IMO.

    Which “penumbra” or “emanation” or similar argle-bargle (as Scalia would have called it…) makes the president immune from prosecution?

    When the Constitution wants to grant immunity, as it does, for instance, in the case of Congress, it says so explicitly.

    Dave (1bb933)

  161. constitution trumps laws passed by congress as the court have ruled many times.

    lany (972218)

  162. An olc opinion back in 1999, if memory served

    Narciso (f56f90)

  163. Right after Comey toild trumo he wass not under investigation – or wsas he before?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  164. They also seem to be consdiering the idea that Trump was a Russian useful idiot.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  165. They were investigating Carter page, that’s who they had authority to do so.

    Narciso (f56f90)

  166. @160/@161. 40-plus years ago, the two most popular and top money making movies were: ‘Star Wars’ – a fantasy film inspired/derived by comic strip escapades lifted then serialized in films of the 1930’s… and ‘Smokey And The Bandit’ – a 90 minute good-‘ol-boy, cops-and-robbers-car-chase of a bootlegger a la the Keystone Cops. The top 5 TV shows at the same time were: 1. ‘Happy Days’ 2. ‘Laverne and Shirley’ 3. ‘Charlie’s Angels’ 4. ‘MASH’.

    “Homogeneous, humorless and strident” is the usual whine of the aging, moving out of the lucrative target audiences of modern times. You crave “culture?” Go to a museum. But chances are, if affiliated w/t Smithsonian, it’s closed.

    “Rock ‘n’ Roll has got to go…” – KWK-AM Radio, 1958

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  167. ^. Top TV show #5. ‘ABC Movie o/t Week.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. I’m not sure that impeachment requires a criminal act as it seeks to solve a political problem, not a legal problem. The result of impeachment and conviction is removal from office or possibly disqualification from future federal office, not some legal sanction.

    So the better inquiry is what is the threat to the Constitutional order that requires impeachment? Certainly not minor policy disagreements or minor military strikes. But impeachments have gone on throughout our history and they did not always include a crime: Judge Pickering was impeached for being intoxicated on the bench. Many such impeachment efforts have been prompted by behavior inconsistent with the responsibility or reputation of the office.

    That’s why if Trump got himself seriously compromised by the Russians….through some backdoor financial dealings that he did not reveal to the American electorate….or some information quid pro quo that would have made him look bad….I would think it would be heading in the direction of impeachment. I would still think there would need to be another shoe that dropped….that the compromised position led to other ethically questionable decisions. I don’t see evidence of that….yet…but obstruction could be such evidence…

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  169. 163. Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 1/13/2019 @ 12:33 pm

    After numerous business failings, multiple bankruptcies, and hundreds of lawsuits (all settled, of course), Trump couldn’t find an American bank to loan him any money. So he turned to the one bank that would, Deustche, which not coincidentally had been convicted and fined hundreds of millions for . . . yep, you guessed it, laundering money for corrupt Russian oligarchs and kleptocrats.

    Don’t you prefer the theory that Deustche Bank loaned him money because Supore eCourt Justic eAnthony Kenndy;’s son wa sin charge of reasl estate lending and…uh – he knew Trump would run for president and win wanted to be able to select his successor when Trump became opredient

    Deustche Bank lent Trump money because it wss careless not because Putin told Deustche Bank to do so. Since when does Putin subsidize broke American businessmen? What great favors was Trump doing for Vladimir Putin in circa 2007?

    Those same oligarchs and kleptocrats had been laundering money through casinos and making fraudulent real estate deals for years. Trump was their mark. He is not the conman everyone assumes him to be; he is the mark.

    yes he took cash equivalents for apartments.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  170. yes yes the NYT is doing its part to help the Nazi Chris Wray FBI do their dirty KGB-style coup

    and they tell themselves that nobody knows

    that their efforts are covert and sub rosa

    but everybody knows

    even the dirty CNN Jake Tapper poofter boys know

    and they’re not particularly bright

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. 174… he’s teh Top Terrier of Tedious Trivia!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  172. I would still think there would need to be another shoe that dropped…

    He attempted to cover up a covert foreign military attack on the United States launched to swing the election to him.

    Watergate was petty crime by comparison.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  173. McCarthy dunks on the NYT:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-fbi-russia-investigation-was-always-about-trump

    “But in truth, the only thing the story shows is that the FBI, after over a year of investigation, simply went overt about something that had been true from the first. The investigation commenced during the 2016 campaign by the Obama administration – the Justice Department and the FBI – was always about Donald Trump.”

    Munroe (7674fe)

  174. yes yes Mr. Munroe buttboy obama and the corrupt trash at the doj and the fbi started a coup on Donald Trump before Hilpig even lost

    it makes you wonder if they were planning on doing the same thing do Hilpig if she won that they’re doing on President Trump now

    they have plenty of evidence of Russian collaboration they could have slapped her across the face with that’s for sure

    – the Clinton Foundation stuff

    – the destruction of evidence

    – the dossier she worked with Russians close to Putin to produce (and then slipped to cowardly war hero John McCain to disseminate)

    maybe the dirty Nazi FBI just figured no matter who won it was time to do a goddamn coup and get the fourth reich party started

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. oopers doing the same thing *to* Hilpig i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. Yeah, the FBI was in the tank for Hillary – that’s why their October surprise torpedoed her, while they kept all the dirt on Trump under wraps before the election.

    Dave (2a1c05)

  177. that’s a very tired CNN Jake Tapper fake news talking point Mr. Dave

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  178. 185
    How was Puerto Rico?

    mg (8cbc69)

  179. it’s kinda obvious to anybody who’s not on crack, is what it is

    Dave (2a1c05)

  180. “Yeah, the FBI was in the tank for Hillary – that’s why their October surprise torpedoed her, while they kept all the dirt on Trump under wraps before the election.”
    Dave (2a1c05) — 1/13/2019 @ 2:21 pm

    Really.

    McCabe (i.e., one of those prosecutors in legal jeopardy—LOL) sat on the Carlos Danger laptop emails. Waiting until after the election would make the anti-Trump bias a bit too obvious, even for Comey. You will dispute this, how exactly?

    Moreover, HilRod’s was a criminal investigation. Trump’s, a counterintelligence investigation. Failing to keep the latter “under wraps” is a criminal violation. Not so with the former. I’m thinking you already knew this.

    It’s little different than now, when congressional investigators attempt some fact finding and get rebuffed with the usual “there’s an ongoing investigation, so I can’t answer that” from Comey, Strzok, Rosey, etc. In this case, I’m sure you’re quite unsettled and distressed that these details are kept “under wraps”. I’m sure you’ll clarify that by saying so now. LOL

    Munroe (b21157)

  181. everything the dirty men and women of the FBI do is done to advance their own Nazi agenda

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. “He attempted to cover up a covert foreign military attack on the United States launched to swing the election to him.”

    This message brought to you by Hyperbole Haven, recently voted the very best in Assisted Living…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  183. “Of course, it’s absurd to think that Trump was in contact with the Kremlin, and no evidence has emerged of that. In fact, not a scrap of evidence has come out that anyone even connected to Trump was in secret contact with Kremlin officials”

    Pat makes the headline TRUMP WORKED FOR RUSSIA, while the extremely fake and ghey strawman content is TRUMP WAS IN CONTACT WITH RUSSIA, the ol’ reliable Fake News Headline Inflation in the absence of actual news and evidence strikes again.

    “Yeah, the FBI was in the tank for Hillary – that’s why their October surprise torpedoed her, while they kept all the dirt on Trump under wraps before the election.”

    And by blaming nefarious right-wingers at the FBI rather than Hillary’s manifest laziness in assuming that every problem with her testimony would be taken care of internally rather than blowing up when covering it up started threatening careers, Dave puts the lie to any notion that he’s a Republican in a previous life rather than a Democrat operating under Democrat talking points while pretending at having been a Republican.

    Father Jerry (24ced3)

  184. spencer ‘throw them through the glass’ ackerman, is a specialist in covering for bureau top floor brass:

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/11/angela-davis-womens-march-honoree-champion-of-terror-prisons-and-tyranny/

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. Moreover, HilRod’s was a criminal investigation. Trump’s, a counterintelligence investigation. Failing to keep the latter “under wraps” is a criminal violation. Not so with the former.

    I’m not sure there is a distinction, but let’s suppose there is.

    According to you, Comey, McCabe and friends engaged in a months-long conspiracy which included lying under oath to judges and falsifying warrant applications to collect dirt on Donald Trump…but they drew the line at anonymously leaking the information gathered to sympathetic journalists?

    LOL.

    If they were too afraid to publicize the information so that it could, you know, actually have a chance of damaging Trump’s prospects…what was the point of breaking all the other laws they supposedly broke to collect it?

    Dave (1bb933)

  186. because they had nothing, it’s like non alcoholic beer, like jonathan morgan’s bots in alabama,

    narciso (d1f714)

  187. after two years, carter page has been allowed to run free, he’s more dangerous than Aldrich ames and Robert Hansen combined,

    narciso (d1f714)

  188. The Rules:

    * It is a federal crime, punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, to disclose national defense information to someone who is not entitled to receive it.
    * It is a federal crime, punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, to steal U.S. governmental secrets.
    * It is a federal crime, punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, to disclose classified information relating to U.S. or foreign communications intelligence activities.
    * It is a federal crime, punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, to acquire information by means of computer access without authorization or in excess of authorization.
    * It is a federal crime, punishable by imprisonment for up to 15 years, to disclose the identity of a covert government agent, directly or indirectly.
    * It is a federal crime to lie or otherwise obstruct a federal criminal investigation. The maximum sentence for such offenses varies from 5 to 20 years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  189. everything the fbi knows about law enforcement they learned from the KGB

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  190. “…but they drew the line at anonymously leaking the information gathered to sympathetic journalists?”
    Dave (1bb933) — 1/13/2019 @ 3:34 pm

    How exactly was “breaking all the other laws” ever supposed to come to light? In stark contrast to a leak to the media.

    They thought Trump was going to win? Really? They and who else thought this?

    And, certainly Lisa Page thought her texts referring to an “insurance policy” would go viral.

    Munroe (c87974)

  191. I know consider the source:

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-iranian-spies-20190114-story.html

    then look what happened in Belgium last year,

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. ohnoes it’s winter wallop says Mr. Drudge

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. In January get out of town.

    Narciso (052f51)

  194. In a figurative throwback to Stalin’s day, we live in a culture growing ever more homogeneous, humorless, and strident.

    This guy really has to get out more.

    Wait! Unless he was talking about J. Nancy Swish’s FBI of the ’50s and ’60s, for which it was perfectly true?

    nk (dbc370)

  195. i cancelled my florida this year

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. every show has to have a tranner on it now

    every. single. show.

    i think that’s unfortunate cause tranners are kinda gross

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. The gifted alludes more to it, and coby bell is presented as a very earnest though misguided character.

    Narciso (052f51)

  198. Even in the windy city how many trannies do you know, I’m sure the good wife is unrepreaentative of the city.

    Narciso (052f51)

  199. Which “penumbra” or “emanation” or similar argle-bargle (as Scalia would have called it…) makes the president immune from prosecution?

    When the Constitution wants to grant immunity, as it does, for instance, in the case of Congress, it says so explicitly.

    No one said the President is immune from prosecution. The issue is whether the exercise of presidential authority can be criminalized based on a court’s inference of the president’s “intent.”

    The president had an absolute right to fire Comey if he believed he was incompetent, or thought someone else would do a better job, or for any other reason — even if everyone else in the country thinks otherwise. That is inherent in being in charge of the Executive branch. To allow a court to examine his motives and say, no, his real motivation was avoiding an investigation would open the door to criminalizing every presidential decision.

    How about selling out your country so you can get the Nobel prize. Is that a corrupt intent that is subject to criminialization? Will courts now examination foreign policy decisions?

    Bored Lawyer (8ea02a)

  200. i saw a tranner on the l once, deep in the loop

    she was glum-looking with bad skin

    i often wonder where she is now

    is she happy?

    has she found somebody to love that loves her back like how leggy meggy found that bastard prince guy?

    sometimes i think yes yes she is happy yes yes she is loved

    other times i think my gosh how could she ever be happy

    how could she ever find somebody to love that loves her back

    we all have our crosses to bear

    but cystic acne is a particularly cruel cross to bear I think, especially when your whole identity is built around your outward appearance

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  201. The president had an absolute right to fire Comey if he believed he was incompetent, or thought someone else would do a better job, or for any other reason — even if everyone else in the country thinks otherwise. That is inherent in being in charge of the Executive branch. To allow a court to examine his motives and say, no, his real motivation was avoiding an investigation would open the door to criminalizing every presidential decision.

    In the abstract, this seems like a real concern. It’s the kind of thing that outraged me about the prosecution of Rick Perry for a veto. You can’t prosecute the executive for exercising normal executive powers even in a way that you don’t like. To establish that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation would require something like an admission from Trump that that’s why he did it — either as retaliation for the investigation or to stop it.

    The thing is, incredibly, you actually have that here, because Trump is a sub-moron and actually admitted it.

    And that’s why this theory does not bother me, as applied to this guy, in this context.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  202. Captain, Captain, Captain… ‘loose lips sink ships,’ sir.

    Even yours.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  203. Can we consider the basis of the investigation, a counterintelligence effort on a very week foundation, which required three renewals on the target yet no indictment of same only incidental figures

    Narciso (052f51)

  204. Now this passage seemed derivative of the strain on fx which dragged by a third season.

    Narciso (052f51)

  205. How about selling out your country to get Nobel prize?

    Yes, Kissinger should be locked up for that. Read the Pentagon Papers for details; visit Arlington National Cemetery for evidence; that is, if it’s open.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  206. Kissinger always pretended to be more clever than he really was, the Cambodian and laotian incursions should have been at the beginning of the conflict.

    Narciso (052f51)

  207. If intentionally, willfully, and deliberately refusing to enforce the immigration laws on 800,000 illegals (that would be DACA) is “prosecutorial discretion” and “allocation of resources”, then why isn’t it also “prosecutorial discretion” and “allocation of resources” when the President scotches another kind of law enforcement action?

    nk (dbc370)

  208. then why isn’t it also “prosecutorial discretion” and “allocation of resources” when the President scotches another kind of law enforcement action?

    The fact that Trump and his close associates were subjects of the action he was trying to scotch might have something to do it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  209. Because it hasn’t been working isn’t 32 years enough of an interval for control purposes?

    Narciso (052f51)

  210. President Trump didn’t scotch anything all he did was create millions of jobs for all the demographics plus he’s bringing our hapless tatters home.

    And the Nazi FBI hates him for it.

    But nobody cares cause everybody hates the FBI anyway.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  211. So this burned Russian spy since 99, whose prime asset was killed is supposed to have the skinny on everything happening in Russian business and govt, hes the one who presented the sources which dont seem true at first glance.

    Narciso (052f51)

  212. I was speaking in the abstract. And also wondering why Sessions did not indict Obama, Holder, Lynch, and Jeh Johnson on 800,000 counts of obstruction of justice.

    nk (dbc370)

  213. Because he was precluded from doing so, you remember to push the button on the elevator at your office, it doesn’t do itself.

    Narciso (052f51)

  214. Yes, Kissinger should be locked up for that. Read the Pentagon Papers for details

    The Pentagon Papers cover the period up to 1967, while Kissinger was a just pointy-headed intellectual teaching at Harvard.

    Dave (1bb933)

  215. I never realized until I browsed his bio just now that Kissinger is a decorated war veteran who saw combat in WWII. Remarkable.

    Dave (1bb933)

  216. And that was a selective culling of the document on the conflict, that was shaped by ellsberg’s mindset. The real concern was ellsberg had worked on siop the nuclear targeting diagram and some believed he might leak that.

    Narciso (052f51)

  217. Yes he served in the army counterintelligence corps, was the mayor of a small town in that capacity.

    Narciso (052f51)

  218. just saw Tyler Labine has a nice part in this Escape Room movie

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  219. “The Pentagon Papers cover the period up to 1967, while Kissinger was a just pointy-headed intellectual teaching at Harvard.”

    They also included a history of contacts related to settlement discussions that covers 1967 – 1968.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  220. What becomes quiet clear from victory forsaken is the us govt had very little understanding of who the enemy is, and consequently how to fight it.

    Narciso (052f51)

  221. @226. Dr. K was aware of the conclusions, Dave; and from ’68 on, slammed Ellsberg for leaking and flipping [revisit the Nixon tapes] danced through the ’72 election w/his ‘peace is dat hand’ rouse. The dead on Nixon’s watch paid for their peace of his prize– the hard way.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  222. Yes that dance with le duc tho was sickening, but so were the reeducation camps and the firing squads, not to mention year zero and the killing fields

    Narciso (052f51)

  223. “The fact that Trump and his close associates were subjects of the action he was trying to scotch might have something to do it.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 1/13/2019 @ 6:37 pm

    Given that Comey told Trump he wasn’t a subject of the investigation, that would actually have nothing to do with it.

    Munroe (fe26e8)

  224. @227. Yes, and Oswald was a United States Marine; Nixon was in the Navy; Adolf, a Kaiser’s corporal and Lt. Reagan kept Culver City safe for democracy.

    Remarkable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  225. 227)He wasnt a policy at that time, not unlike Bundy and macnamara and rostow he was a consultant. Ellsberg hang out on the deep end with lansdale and conein, then decided to take his ball and go home

    Narciso (052f51)

  226. CNN is back?? to hating tulsi with a passion.

    Narciso (052f51)

  227. Not a surprise, and not a non-story.

    The Kremlin has long denied that it had anything to do with the infiltration of the NRA and the broader American conservative movement. A U.S. intelligence report reviewed by The Daily Beast tells a different story.
    Alexander Torshin, the Russian central bank official who spent years aggressively courting NRA leaders, briefed the Kremlin on his efforts and recommended they participate, according to the report. Its existence and contents have not previously been reported.

    So basically, there is no doubt that Putin tried to infiltrate and corrupt one of America’s most influential lobbying organizations, and the irony is that Vlad himself denies the right to bear arms for his own citizens.

    Paul Montagu (1c738b)

  228. How about the Kremlin’s efforts to infiltrate municipal water departments in order to pollute and impurify our precious bodily fluids?

    The NRA is a single-issue organization. If it lobbied for anything Russian, it would have been the importation of Russian-made guns and ammunition, such as the dreaded Glock AK-15s, which would have been opposed by the lobbyists for American manufacturers of the murderous Uzi AR-47s.

    nk (dbc370)

  229. Glock is Austrian, ak 47 possibly but China does the wholesale in that market through pla affiliate cosco (not the membership store) they have something stronger up there in seattle.

    Narciso (052f51)

  230. Daily Beast for teh conservative Win!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  231. How did they know this, pretending we still have agents in Russia when we lost them in Iran and china?

    Narciso (052f51)

  232. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/we-the-press.php

    Just a reminder that when you quote the Times to attack Trump, this is how they think.

    Leftist operatives with bylines.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  233. I sometimes they must be staring at two suns in ths sky rob.

    Narciso (052f51)

  234. Of course, Dave knows all about pointy head intellectuals.

    mg (8cbc69)

  235. I am excited for the conformation hearings for ACB.

    mg (8cbc69)

  236. the NYT only exists to make fresh CNN Jake Tapper fake news for people to use to attack our president, President Donald Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  237. to be fair, they mostly just take dictation from the nazi-lick men and women of the corrupt and dirty fbi

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  238. How about the Kremlin’s efforts to infiltrate municipal water departments in order to pollute and impurify our precious bodily fluids?

    Putineers tried to influence one of America’s most influential lobbying organizations, an American organization that has been effective at influencing lawmakers and presidents. The NRA leadership had no business going on junkets to Moscow. If there was a Putin-friendly lobbying organization to corrupt, the NRA would’ve been it. And you know what, I do question the leadership’s patriotism for getting their heads turned by an oligarch’s rubles, an oligarch who represents interests contrary to America’s.

    Paul Montagu (b02105)

  239. The “corrupt and dirty FBI” knew much of what we are now learning way back when Trump, his family and campaign were all denying ANY contacts with Russia. Now, of course, we know that there were many contacts that were covered up by dozens of liars for many months. It took a “corrupt and dirty FBI” and a “fake media” (aka…”enemy of the people”) to expose the truth. Aided, of course, by the “Deep State”.

    noel (e07fb0)

  240. this would be the corrupt and dirty FBI that used a phony dossier fed to them by the KGB to get a sleazy corrupt FISA court to approve illegal spying on Americans

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. As pointed out in the legal insurrection link, they have less than nothing, not even a predicate crime.

    Narciso (40ef5a)

  242. Yes. I get it. Everybody is “dirty”. Except for the proven liars.

    noel (e07fb0)

  243. Enron was at fault, but not the entire arthut Anderson firm, interestingly who later picked the remains for a song, that would be hsbc.

    Narciso (40ef5a)

  244. yes yes and you need to include America’s sleazy corrupt joke military in the poop pile with the FBI, DOJ, CIA etc as well

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  245. I don’t pikachu, they were given a thankless job by clueless civilian leadership, who like in the case of the Cole bombing, obstructed key investigators, leading one to his death in the towers.

    Narciso (40ef5a)

  246. you’re very gracious though

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  247. If I would have been told three years ago that a Presidential candidate’s campaign would have been aided by the Russians, had secret meetings with them and lied about those meetings, I would have said that surely this liberal traitor would be impeached if he won the election.

    noel (e07fb0)

  248. Foreign Oligarcby better than Crooked Heelary, Komrad.

    JRH (fe281f)

  249. *Oligarchy

    JRH (fe281f)

  250. Let Russia handle Middle East for awhile, your Boosh did not do so good Komrad, Vlad weel handle it.

    JRH (fe281f)

  251. Leave it to Vlad, and don’t mind the joint China meelitary exorcizes Komrad.

    JRH (fe281f)

  252. And forgive my accent, I watch too much Rocky and Boolweenkle.

    JRH (fe281f)

  253. OK. I feel better now.

    noel (e07fb0)

  254. No, that what happened in the last administration in Egypt and Syria and Iraq, who do you think the latter tried to buy weapons from the Russians

    Narciso (40ef5a)

  255. So the FBI began this investigation based on no evidence, which Mueller soon stopped and it all makes sense.

    Colonel Haiku (f8bfb8)

  256. Geee wonder why Trump won’t release those tax returns? oh right he’s gonna release them as soon as the audit’s finished. #MAGA

    JRH (fe281f)

  257. Routine audit. Very routine.

    JRH (fe281f)

  258. Rush Limbaugh thinks teh FBI eaked thsi nwo because they want to say they believed the Steele dossier, but, he says, although he;s gone back and forth on this, he doesn’t believe they did.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  259. 265. No Trump wants Turkey to handle Syria – and if it doesn’t handle it right, like attacking the Kurdish forces till now protected by the United States, he’ll impose sanctions on Turkey.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  260. turkey sponsors Islamic militias like hts, (the al queda umbrella operation,) in idlib, that hasn’t changed significantly

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/byron-york-show/devin-nunes/?platform=hootsuite

    narciso (d1f714)

  261. Teh Man was a goddam one man sleeper cell!

    “(CNN)In the chaotic aftermath at the FBI following Director James Comey’s firing, a half-dozen senior FBI officials huddled to set in motion the momentous move to open an investigation into President Donald Trump that included trying to understand why he was acting in ways that seemed to benefit Russia.

    They debated a range of possibilities, according to portions of transcripts of two FBI officials’ closed-door congressional interviews obtained by CNN. On one end was the idea that Trump fired Comey at the behest of Russia. On the other was the possibility that Trump didn’t have an improper relationship with the Kremlin and was acting within the bounds of his executive authority, the transcripts show.
    James Baker, then-FBI general counsel, said the FBI officials were contemplating with regard to Russia whether Trump was “acting at the behest of and somehow following directions, somehow executing their will.”
    “That was one extreme. The other extreme is that the President is completely innocent, and we discussed that too,” Baker told House investigators last year. “There’s a range of things this could possibly be. We need to investigate, because we don’t know whether, you know, the worst-case scenario is possibly true or the President is totally innocent and we need to get this thing over with — and so he can move forward with his agenda.”

    — CNN, 1/14/19

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  262. what’s scary is a good number of the dirty men and women of the nazi fbi are truly stupid enough to believe most or even all of this – dumb-ass trash like Lisa Page who just went to work to get laid – these are the people employed at what’s supposed to be a serious law enforcement agency

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  263. Splunge but I’m not being indecisive.

    Narciso (264203)

  264. there wouldn’t be a jihadist group consolidating the pickle farms of northern syria if idiot murder-boi george w. bush hadn’t sent our hapless tatters over there without anything remotely resembling a plan or a strategy

    what a humiliating failure for america lol

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  265. Are you clinically insane, happyfeet?

    Asking for a doctor-friend…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  266. The Syrian govt thought they could preempt a move against them, by enabling various stripes of jihadists to cross into Iraq, then after the us pulled out, many of these fellows were released from prisons

    Narciso (264203)

  267. [quote]In the abstract, this seems like a real concern. It’s the kind of thing that outraged me about the prosecution of Rick Perry for a veto. You can’t prosecute the executive for exercising normal executive powers even in a way that you don’t like. To establish that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation would require something like an admission from Trump that that’s why he did it — either as retaliation for the investigation or to stop it.

    The thing is, incredibly, you actually have that here, because Trump is a sub-moron and actually admitted it.

    And that’s why this theory does not bother me, as applied to this guy, in this context.[/quote]

    Shorter version: Pat fears an overly-powerful executive more than he fears an overly-powerful police state, because he worked for the latter and empowering it doesn’t harm him personally due to his prior friendships and domain expertise.

    Meanwhile, for normal people who’d occasionally like to see their will reflected through elections, the Stalinist tactics of “opening investigation, creating process crimes, and searching for technical but innocuous violations of abstruse laws” is far more concerning than the remote possibility of a President governing more like Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson than Gerald Ford, even if it offends the foreign policy ‘consensus’ pushed by monied interests who have the most to lose from a more strongly nationalistic America.

    Father Jerry (5fbd14)

  268. Barr’s testimony today should be enough to get him confirmed, ASAP, given the assurances he made regarding Mueller’s investigation. Acting AG Whitaker is neither qualified nor legitimate. Get him out.
    Link

    Paul Montagu (d94790)

  269. “All right, I’m getting into this late because I thought it was a joke. Do Dems believe Trump was born in Russia and sent here or did they flip him here as a teen in military school or did he flip himself at age 70 because the Communist light bulb went off?”

    — – Dennis Miller

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  270. Trump will say that he “never worked for Russia”, but then he makes proposals like pulling out of NATO that make you wonder if he’s working for Russia. It’s an idea that Putin would just love.

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  271. Which reporters ever asked Obama if he worked for Cuba, seeing as how he ended the embargo and how that was an idea Castro just loved.

    Munroe (13e024)

  272. Probably none, but Obama didn’t have an embarrassing Helsinki-like press conference with the Castro brothers, and Obama has actually criticized them directly and did not play a stupid false-equivalency game when it came to the killing of Cuban journalists and dissidents. While a candidate, Obama’s people didn’t have over 100 contacts with various members of the Castro regime.

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  273. Doin’ that soft coup shuffle…

    Colonel Haiku (f8bfb8)

  274. Trump worked for Russia and Putin. It’s just that after 2+ years, the full resources of the CIA and DOJ haven’t had enough time to prove it.

    Munroe (61e3f0)

  275. Castro was just a guy Obama knew from the neighborhood.

    nk (dbc370)

  276. NATO’s a turk-infested garbage alliance that’s bleeding us dry

    and the nazi germans have already gone over to the russians

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  277. “Tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after my re-election.”

    Maidan must have struck Putin like Barbarossa struck Stalin.

    nk (dbc370)

  278. He was from bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright’s neighborhood, did you see Obama in Havana, he looked like he was in Disney world.

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  279. How old are you montagu, do you know Mike Mansfield future ambassador to Japan,authored a a bill to pull us out of NATO during the cold war.

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  280. The guy’s something, thinks he’s the arbiter of who’s qualified/who’s not…

    Colonel Haiku (5add1e)

  281. Mind you the likelyhood he had any info to give was slim and none:

    https://themarketswork.com/2019/01/15/mccabes-fbi-tried-to-re-engage-christopher-steele-after-comey-was-fired/

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  282. R.I.P. Carol Channing

    Icy (9f9411)

  283. The obama legacy – doing the wave at a semipro cuban baseball game.

    mg (8cbc69)

  284. How old are you montagu, do you know Mike Mansfield future ambassador to Japan,authored a a bill to pull us out of NATO during the cold war.

    Perhaps older than you, since you’re wrong on the facts. Mansfield wanted a force reduction, not to abandon the treaty.
    The person who gave Trump the best reason for staying in NATO is none other than Putin himself, starting in 2014 when he illegally invaded and annexed the Crimean region of Ukraine.

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  285. The point it was at the time there were 32 divisions just in east Germany. Now when faced with a much smaller threat the powerhouse of Europe cant even come up with 2% of their GDP and is drilling with wooden rifles

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  286. Furthermore, the eldest son of Raul the current dictator, was very chummy with brennan and rhodes

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  287. The point it was at the time there were 32 divisions just in east Germany.

    The point is that Trump wants to abandon a treaty despite an imperialist Russian dictator with an established track record of taking sovereign territory that doesn’t belong to his country, and who periodically threatens the sovereignty of others, such as the Baltic states.

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  288. We can do just fine with only four other NATO members — Canada because they’re family, Poland as a tripwire, and Greece and Turkey for control of access to the Mediterranean. The rest can do an EU military alliance on their own dime.

    nk (dbc370)

  289. Stop enabling Socialism! NATO members must pay to play.

    Colonel Haiku (5add1e)

  290. President Trump [yesterday] hosted the Clemson Tigers NCAA football championship team, and served them fast food in the Oval Office.

    Trump said, the burgers were ‘piled up a mile high’… what does Politifact or the WaPo have to say, Paul?

    Colonel Haiku (5add1e)

  291. Trump said, the burgers were ‘piled up a mile high’… what does Politifact or the WaPo have to say, Paul?

    What is this, 4th grade?

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  292. the burgers weren’t piled that high and this is not 4th grade

    happyfact (28a91b)

  293. Excuse me, they were hamberders

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  294. “what is this, 4th grade?”

    Answer: “the Washington Post is swinging into “Zapruder-like analysis from The Post’s Philip Bump of all of the wire photos to determine just how many hamburgers were served at the event”

    Colonel Haiku (5add1e)

  295. the burgers weren’t piled that high and this is not 4th grade

    happyfact might say something like that, but happyfeet would’ve given Trump the benefit of the doubt on the burger-piling.

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  296. Trump’s a genius. I will say that. The burger thing was terrific theater. He can say he loves saving the country money, no matter that his inauguration spent record amounts. Liberals will do their elitist jeering making them look mean and… elitist, and the regular kind of people who love fast food will say he’s one of them, and they are kinda right. Trump’s got that same populist appeal that Clinton and Obama had. The Clemson Tigers were apparently thrilled.

    JRH (fe281f)

  297. Democracy Dies in Teh BIG MACs

    FBI lead counsel a felonious von leaker?
    https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1085221501903745024

    Colonel Haiku (5add1e)

  298. oops i forgot to switcher back Mr. Montagu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  299. More importantly, at this Clemson football shindig, he let his guard down next to two servers with hand held charcoal lighters with triggers and barrels and flammable liquids (of course it could have been two Secret Service guys entrusted with the task, but who knows).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  300. Hopeless mainstream media left out the best part of the burger story.

    According to stunned witnesses at the White House yesterday, President Trump somehow managed to feed an entire multitude with just five Quarter Pounders and two Filet-O-Fish sandwiches, miraculously multiplying the food until there was enough to go around for the entire Clemson football team.
    Worried aides had rushed to Trump’s side and informed him there wasn’t enough food for the visiting national champions. “Go and ask if anyone packed a lunch,” Trump instructed them, but all they were able to find was a bag of week-old McDonald’s food in Trump’s desk.
    Trump quietly knelt and thanked the Lord for the sack containing just five cheeseburgers and two fish sandwiches he’d stowed away in case he got hungry, blessed the food, and then told his aides to begin laying the food out on the table.
    The White House staffers were shocked to find the sack continued to produce food, with more and more Quarter Pounders, Big Macs, fish sandwiches, fries, and McNuggets coming forth in a great bounty from on high.
    “It’s a great miracle,” Trump told reporters. “The best. The old miracles in the Bible, they just had bread, no burgers.” He shrugged. “How do you eat bread without a fabulous McDonald’s patty and a little mayo? Sounds good, doesn’t work.”
    At publishing time, sources had confirmed aides collected over 12 takeout bags of cheeseburgers, on which Trump quickly called “dibs.”

    Paul Montagu (8fd371)

  301. Oh yes coronello and he has been a mutineer since 2004.

    Narciso (faab45)

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