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11/16/2018

Broward County Misses Recount Deadline by Two Minutes — Cui Bono?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:50 am



Broward County was late by two minutes:

The top election official in Florida’s heavily Democratic Broward County said late Thursday that the county had uploaded the results of its recount two minutes after the state’s 3 p.m. deadline – making its machine recount tally void. Instead, the county’s results from last Tuesday’s election will stand until manual recount totals in the state’s closely contested Senate race come in Sunday at noon.

In an amazing coincidink, the revised results that Brenda Snipes submitted late would have helped the Republican:

GOP Senate candidate Rick Scott’s campaign charged that embattled Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes intentionally submitted late results so that they would be invalidated. In the recount, Scott’s Democratic opponent, incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson, lost more votes than Scott — meaning Scott would have seen a net gain of 779 votes if Snipes hadn’t been late.

How about that.

A cynic might say that if the benefit went to Nelson, they would have found a way to submit the votes on time. What with the involvement of Brenda Snipes, with her partisan tendency to mess with elections.

Good thing we’re not cynics here!

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

29 Responses to “Broward County Misses Recount Deadline by Two Minutes — Cui Bono?”

  1. I that electoral shenanigans for partisan gain is old. “Lyndon Lightning” comes to mind (Beldar, have you heard of this?).

    We need to find the equivalent of “I cut; you choose” so that this stuff doesn’t happen. I’m not sure it can be done.

    What a mess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  2. Is kishnevi the only decent person in Coward County?

    nk (dbc370)

  3. I learned my cynicism there, rightly, its Chinatown with a decidedly different accent.

    Narciso (6a6352)

  4. A suggestion: The law should be amended to impose a personal fine on county election supervisors to encourage timeliness. Maybe $0.01 per registered voter in the county.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  5. It would be good if a judge could find her in contempt and give her a week in the slammer. Pour encourager les autres.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  6. If Pam Bondi could railroad George Zimmerman with a non-venue prosecutor in a non-venue county, she should be able to do the same to Brenda Snipes for official misconduct and election fraud.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. “What with the involvement of Brenda Snipes, with her partisan tendency to mess with elections.
    Good thing we’re not cynics here!”

    Maybe Snipes is better suited to run a SC investigation or issue FISA warrants, which she would make slightly less partisan than it currently is. Yes, good thing we’re not cynics.

    Munroe (78f5c5)

  8. For you folks in Rio Linda, this is the county of Alcee Hastings, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and (formerly) Robert “Hanging Chad” Wexler.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Only peruvians get indicted, on the positive side the amphibian grayson didn’t get anything.

    Narciso (6a6352)

  10. People from Florida continue to repulse me.

    mg (ef2c8e)

  11. So the gist is that Nelson is losing, and the recount showed him losing more, and the very limited recount continues to show him losing, exactly how does any of that help Nelson?

    And this shows conspiracy instead of continued incompetence by Florida Man? Always bet on incompetence with Florida Man.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (956e8b)

  12. Scott just lost 779 votes. It may, at least, force a hand recount. “Keep hope alive!” for Nelson.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. 11. Same thing essentially happened back in 2000, but that doesn’t keep them from attempting to cheat.

    Gryph (08c844)

  14. The only difference between Florida and a oven is an oven does not produce serial killers.

    mg (ef2c8e)

  15. “Incompetence” (should use probably use the word ‘malingering’ when people with verified histories of bad faith have it hit at times convenient for them) when it advances their goals is a fine and universal Democrat tradition.

    Even when they aren’t actively aiding and abetting the nefarious election stealing plans, an incompetent worker has no exit, no participation in the labor market to motivate them to push for better or more honest working conditions, is easily shamed, cowed, and thus held up to others as an example of how to be properly submissive to their betters.

    Competent and ethical employees are OVERRATED and DANGEROUS to management, the ideal worker MUST be naturally or medicinally handicapped in some way to ensure dependence on and deference to his/her employer .

    Izzet (38766e)

  16. And Putin smiled…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. The person in charge of submitting the results said the reason he was (2 minutes) late was that he was unfamiliar with the website he had to upload the data to.

    Sammy Finkelman (9a5409)

  18. I suppose that if the results had been beneficial to the Democrats somebody would have been extra careful to make sure the information was uploaded in time.

    Sammy Finkelman (9a5409)

  19. 1. It’s “Landslide Lyndon”

    Sammy Finkelman (9a5409)

  20. Nelson is making claims left and right, not knowing what will work, or even if it would matter, but the best hopes of the Democrats lie in signature verification. Nelson is asking that signature verification be abolished and it be enough that someone submitted a ballot.

    Now signatures can usually be faked by someone who knows what the signature is supposed to look like, as happened with Kevin’s mother the last time, and Broward County and others have lenient standards, so if some key elements of the signature natch, it’s OK, but a genuine signature can also be rejected.

    The original is something written on a signature pad, (which is dark) and not on paper, and not for voting but at the Department of Motor Vehicles, and some people scribble, while some younger people never developed a standard signature. An ex-Congressman had his signature rejected. They got notified too late to correct it.

    Signatures were also required for in-person voting and having a picture ID didn’t eliminate the need to verify the signature.

    (it’s true you can organize voter fraud even with picture ID. You collect (borrow) a lot of IDs and then match up the voters too unmotivated to vote with others who will cast their votes for them.

    Even if you need to tell them to memorize the voter’s national ID number so they won’t get caught.

    It happened in Israel with a minor religious party in 1999. Israel has proportional representation – with a low threshhold – then it was 2%, so it mattered even if it didn’t add up to all that many votes. Israel also has virtually no absentee voting.)

    Sammy Finkelman (9a5409)

  21. Signatures were also required for in-person voting and having a picture ID didn’t eliminate the need to verify the signature.

    Signature validation is a terrible way to do this. Biometrics, PINs, there are lots of ways we do this today in the normal real world. People will fight about biometrics, because once you have that in the “system” the gubmint could get you. PINs are probably the best way, but that requires verified addresses to mail, then a phone system to change the PIN, etc.

    ATM’s exist, they’re pretty secure, much more so than the willy nilly different methods across counties in this country. You’d need a federal effort to pay for buying a few million ATM-like devices and provide enough incentive for a company (NCR, Diebold, ?) to port and support the network and application stack for the device and ballot publishing process, figuring out the security, etc. Yeah yeah, hacking, blah, this isn’t an insurmountable problem.

    The way we do it today is goofy, and there are options, absentee ballots will always be an issue, but you can manage your bank account in a browser, trusting your ballot to the postal system isn’t exactly more secure. Heck, a mobile app with 3-factor authentication could be both convenient and secure, you already do most of that if you e-file your taxes, then getting an notification via registered landline, or sms, at the time of submission could ensure that you are the you that is supposed to be voting, or not as would be the problem case. Lots of options, pretty much all of them are better than this haphazard flustercluck.

    Security vs convenience, that is always the fulcrum point. Just showing up and saying you’re Klink is pretty easy, proving it beyond a state issued ID isn’t, especially for absentee or mail in.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1bf2c9)

  22. Stacey Abrams is trying to steal Georgia, I know it’s all for a good cause.

    Narciso (6a6352)

  23. “Signature validation is a terrible way to do this. Biometrics, PINs, there are lots of ways we do this today in the normal real world. People will fight about biometrics, because once you have that in the “system” the gubmint could get you. PINs are probably the best way, but that requires verified addresses to mail, then a phone system to change the PIN, etc.”

    PINS are the worst, a number that most almost never change and as a result use almost everywhere (so you can keep remembering it for convenience) means that the first hack of any Online Social Gaming Skinner Box, Cut Rate Third Party Mandatory Biz Site, or Fly-By-Night E-commerce Platform means that (whoops!) somehow accidentally stored those PINS in the clear before it went out of business means that you have an active database of extremely likely numbers to real names, at which point you just start covertly selling that information to the highest bidder.

    Signatures have actually gotten better, very few people write nowadays and thus don’t have time to practice, the only two people I ever met with perfect forging skills were Nigerian and Swiss (and a travel ban on both Nigeria and Switzerland should solve that problem)

    Izzet (6a1234)

  24. Snipes appointed by NeverTrumper Jeb Bush.

    Anyone surprised?

    rcocean (1a839e)

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    Izzet (13484a)

  26. First you need honest people.

    Bop Crash (5a4596)

  27. The recount was accepted later even though it was 2 minutes late. It was a first step recount and I think whether you used the old numbers or the Election Day numbers it didn’t make amy difference – it was still close enough so you needed to go to hand recount of uncounted ballots. Now it seems to be over. The last recount left Scott with a 10,033-vote lead.

    Brebnda Snipes scored an own goal with the ballot design that caused about 30,000 people in Broward County not to vote in the Senate race. If they had split about 2-1 in Nelson’s favor that would reduce the margin by about 10,000 votes. Maybe more if we figure taht people who voted for democrats were lkess good at puzzles.

    The possibility of some people filling in unmarked ballots was possibly one thing Scott and the Republicans were concerned about – Nelson’s campaign was saying the machines made a mistake – but they were pretty small given the ballot security and the attention paid and the fact that they were not used to cheating in this manner. The fact was also that that cause was obvious and different depending on the exact design of the ballot – no big undervote outside of Broward County, and less of an undervote where there was also aCongressional race at the bottom of the forst column.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  28. Brenda Snipes hardest hit. Apparently, she “expressed a desire to spend more time with her family”, which can be fairly interpreted that she’s become politically radioactive and would only serve to hurt her Democrat Party the longer she stays in office.

    Paul Montagu (70fe18)

  29. Meanwhile, in a close race in Brooklyn, the republican incumbent concedes after 13 days:

    https://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2018/47/bn-golden-concedes-gounardes-2018-11-23-bk.html

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)


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