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11/8/2018

Here We Go Again in Florida [Updated]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 5:15 pm

[guest post by JVW]

On Tuesday night, a few hours after the polls were closed, Governor Rick Scott was projected as the winner in the United States Senate election for Florida, defeating incumbent Senator Bill Nelson by around 30,000 votes according to the election night coverage, but that lead is beginning to dwindle because Broward County can’t seem to complete its original count, which is now two days overdue. As of earlier this evening, Scott’s lead had been cut to 17,000 votes. This inability to complete the election count in a timely manner led Senator Marco Rubio to unleash a titanic Tweet storm:

In the interests of conserving space, I am going to just include the text of Rubio’s subsequent tweets.

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#Broward supervisor:
– says she doesn’t know how many ballots are left to be counted; &
– Isn’t reporting hourly or regularly,but rather releasing thousands of additional votes,often in the overnight hours,that are chipping away at GOP leads

2/6

#Sayfie
10:16 AM – 8 Nov 2018
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#Broward elections department has a history of violating the law:

A court found they improperly handled votes by mail:
[link to Politico piece]

Court found they destroyed ballots in 2016 in violation of state & federal law:
[link to different Politico piece]

#Sayfie

3/6
10:16 AM – 8 Nov 2018
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Now democrat lawyers are descending on #Florida. They have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted.

– They are here to change the results of election; &
– #Broward is where they plan to do it.

#Sayfie

4/6
10:16 AM – 8 Nov 2018
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A U.S. Senate seat & a statewide cabinet officer are now potentially in the hands of an elections supervisor with a history of incompetence & of blatant violations of state & federal laws.

Read Here: [link to Miami Herald piece]

5/6

#Sayfie
10:16 AM – 8 Nov 2018
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#Broward election supervisors ongoing violation of #Florida law requiring timely reporting isn’t just annoying incompetence. It has opened the door for lawyers to come here & try to steal a seat in the U.S. Senate & Florida Cabinet
#Sayfie

6/6
10:16 AM – 8 Nov 2018
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Senator Rubio lays out a pretty damming indictment of Brenda Snipes, the election supervisor for Broward County (annual salary: $169,149), who ironically enough was appointed to the position by Governor Jeb Bush when the previous election supervisor was fired for incompetence. She has subsequently been reelected to the position four times, most recently in 2016.

It would seem that there are a lot of curious aspects to this delayed count in Broward. The county employs 6,000 poll workers to process approximately 700,000 voters, so with a ratio of voters to workers standing at a reasonable 116:1 it is kind of hard to imagine that the polls are understaffed. Yet Dr. Snipes (and no, she’s not a physician) claims that she cannot know just how many uncounted ballots remain, even though by law that account was due two days ago (per Rubio). And in a move that is equally parts unbelievable and infuriating, officials are still as of today “finding” boxes of uncounted ballots allegedly left over from Tuesday that were somehow “overlooked.”

It was always pretty clear that the Scott-Nelson matchup would go to a recount, but the new numbers added by Broward now puts the gubernatorial race between Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum inside the margin that triggers a recount, as DeSantis’s lead has gone from 0.52% on election night down to 0.37% as of today. Expect Democrats to repeat the “count every vote” mantra while Republicans focus on the blatant inability of Democrat-controlled counties to follow proper voting procedures.

And if that’s not enough, there’s even the prospect that a poorly-designed ballot may have caused voters in Broward to overlook the senate race, and the undervote totals might be as high as 25,000 compared to the governor’s race. (Keep in mind that the county designs the ballot, so bearing the fault here for the poor design would be the Democrat election officials.)

Yes friends, it’s 2000 all over again.

UPDATE: A reporter in Miami disputes Rubio’s characterization and says that the tabulation is not due until four nights after the election, which would be Saturday. In a subsequent Tweet, however, he also acknowledges that every other county in Florida somehow has finished their counting well before the deadline.

– JVW

119 Responses to “Here We Go Again in Florida [Updated]”

  1. There’s a great deal more of interest at Rubio’s Twitter feed, for those of you who can stand spending time on that platform.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. is there a gofundme for Brenda yet so we can Christine Ford her up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. It happened in Montana, it’s happening in Arizona and Florida.

    They learned the wrong lessons from successfully stealing a seat in Minnesota and a Governorship in Washington.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  4. happyfeet, in addition to her $169k salary I read on a blog that she also receives something like $4,336 per month ($52k annually) for her pension as a retired educator.

    JVW (42615e)

  5. i saw some pics of her where she was all blinged out

    somewhat tastefully as these things go

    but you can tell she spends a lot on her hair

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. When does that hat lady and luther Campbell show up?

    urbanleftbehind (6b82d4)

  7. Also, the NRSC are suing Snipes & Broward County:

    The gist of the Complaint is that Plaintiffs have repeatedly requested, under the FL Public Records Act, records about the compilation of voting info (e.g. the amount of ballots cast and counted) and an inspection of all ballots not yet canvassed, and have been denied.

    The complaint can be read here.

    Here is what has been requested:

    11. Pursuant to Fla. Stat. 119.07(5), the Request sought an opportunity to inspect all ballots that have not yet been canvassed by the Broward County Canvassing Board, after providing due notice to the candidates.

    12. Pursuant to Fla. Stat. 119.07(1)(a), the Request further sought immediate inspection of the below-referenced public records, to occur immediately due to the circumstances of the pending emergent need to review the requested records promptly:

    i. All records of the compilation of the most current information on absentee ballot status and early voting as transmitted to the Division of Elections on Monday, November 5, 2018, as required by Rule 1S-2043 of the Florida Administrative Code;

    ii. All records of the compilation of the most current information and absentee ballot status and early voting as transmitted to the Division of Elections on Tuesday, November 6, 2018, as required by Rule 1S-2043 of the Florida Administrative Code;

    iii. All records of the compilation of the most current information and absentee ballot status and early voting as transmitted to the Division of Elections on Thursday, November 7, 2018, as required by Rule 1S-2043 of the Florida Administrative Code;

    iv. All records of the compilation of the most current information and absentee ballot status and early voting as transmitted to the Division of Elections on Thursday, November 8, 2018, as required by Rule 1S-2043 of the Florida Administrative Code;

    v. Any document that reflects the actual amount of ballots cast;

    vi. Any document that reflects the actual amount of ballots counted; and

    vii. Any document that reflects the actual amount of ballots left to be counted.

    13. The Supervisor of Elections has not provided Plaintiffs any of the requested public records.

    What is it with Florida and elections…

    Dana (023079)

  8. Meanwhile, they are finding more votes in Pima County AZ, and counting mail-in ballots where the signatures don’t match.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  9. Wow, Scott now going with the Al Gore strategy.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (53dc67)

  10. A Congressional candidate who ran against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Tweeted a video supposedly shot on election night alleging to show ballots being transferred from a private vehicle to a rented truck, in violation of Florida’s ballot custody laws. This candidate is a lefty, endorsed by Bernard Sanders in the 2016 election, so it’s not as if he is carrying water for the GOP.

    JVW (42615e)

  11. Meanwhile, they are finding more votes in Pima County AZ, and counting mail-in ballots where the signatures don’t match.

    One really interesting question is if the Democrats manage to steal elections Arizona and Florida, does that push the 51 or 52 GOP Senators to band together and operate as a tight unit, defying the House at every turn? Would Cocaine Mitch kill the filibuster once and for all to prevent Dems from stalling Senate business? Would Murkowski and Collins conclude that there is no reason not to pack the federal courts with GOP judges and work with Grassley to ram through judges with only cursory hearings? Might it not be scorched-earth battles in Congress for the next two years?

    JVW (42615e)

  12. “who ironically enough was appointed to the position by Governor Jeb Bush”

    No irony there.

    Munroe (7380a7)

  13. … And Putin smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. With the left following Stalin’s edict on vote counting, how long before people lose faith in their elected representatives and the country falls apart?

    NJRob (1d7532)

  15. UPDATE: A reporter in Miami disputes Rubio’s characterization and says that the tabulation is not due until four nights after the election, which would be Saturday. In a subsequent Tweet, however, he also acknowledges that every other county in Florida somehow has finished their counting well before the deadline.

    JVW (42615e)

  16. There’s no excuse for this, all documentation is delivered that night the ballot stubs the electronic count the provisional ballots,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  17. 13… shake your head, your eyes may be stuck.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  18. Putin definitely smiles when he sees the left using his vote counting methods in elections. He learned from Stalin just like the rest of the left.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  19. Good grief! Is there no place in this country where Republicans are not being victimized? Is there no salvation? Is there no succor? Is there no balm in Gilead?

    nk (dbc370)

  20. The dems are behaving more like Erdogan,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  21. Trump is now the head of the Justice Department and its voting rights division. Not Clinton. Where are the DOJ lawyers and FBI agents heading for Florida and Arizona?

    nk (dbc370)

  22. I think they did approve the head of the civil right division last month,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  23. Where are the DOJ lawyers and FBI agents heading for Florida and Arizona?

    They’re probably updating their resumes and LinkedIn pages seeing as how Trump has rid himself of Jeff Sessions.

    JVW (42615e)

  24. “if the Democrats manage to steal elections”

    The real “here we go again” is in the comments.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  25. Our great and fearless leader is bringing the hammer down:

    “Donald J. Trump

    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    Follow Follow @realDonaldTrump
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    Law Enforcement is looking into another big corruption scandal having to do with Election Fraud in #Broward and Palm Beach. Florida voted for Rick Scott!”

    Amazing what Republicans can accomplish when they actually, you know, work together.

    Ajami (986852)

  26. See, apparently he and HF are of a similar mind on a baby split, but then he has Sheriff Joe and a few army battalions out southwest.

    urbanleftbehind (6b82d4)

  27. They stole Minnesota with felons they stole Alaska with the Steven’s indictment, they kneecapped house leadership thanks to the delay indictment who is the head if the attorneys doing the shanghaing Marc elias of perkins and coie does that ring a bell?

    Narciso (710fa2)

  28. “Marc Caputo

    Verified account

    @MarcACaputo
    5h5 hours ago
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    Something very strange happened in Broward County.
    I’ve never seen a top-of-the-ticket U.S. Senate race get fewer votes than EVERY OTHER statewide election.

    So more voters wanted to weigh in on governor AND attorney general AND state CFO AND agriculture commissioner?”

    https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1060658136778977281

    Ajami (f368b0)

  29. And I don’t buy the race position of the ballot at this point,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  30. Ms. Snipes is also the person who thought it was a swell idea to put polling places inside gated communities (link), dispelling any pretense re voter disenfranchisement.

    Paul Montagu (4575b4)

  31. Yes it’s the site for that community, often they are in libraries sometimes churches

    Narciso (710fa2)

  32. “They stole Minnesota with felons”

    No, they didn’t.

    “they stole Alaska with the Steven’s indictment”

    Who is “they”? It was a federal indictment in 2008, who was in charge of the DOJ in 2008?

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  33. The REAL here we go again will be capped when Al Franken is spotted driving a ballots in teh trunk 1973 Buick Electra in South Florida

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. Same 2 counties – out of a total of 67 – never seem to be able to get it right and follow the Florida election laws.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. Who is “they”? It was a federal indictment in 2008, who was in charge of the DOJ in 2008?

    Yeah, in a Republican administration every single DOJ member is a card-carrying conservative.

    You do realize that the prosecuting attorneys from the government were disbarred and one committed suicide in the aftermath of the Stevens prosecution fiasco, right?

    JVW (42615e)

  36. I’m not saying it wasn’t a bad prosecution. I’m saying it wasn’t a conspiracy by Democrats.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  37. He either doesn’t know or doesn’t care,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  38. I lived in Broward. It was crooked as hell at the time. I doubt it is like wine, it has not improved with age.

    Palm Beach County to the north is also crooked but a much smaller operation in terms of scope and competence, eg they get caught more often for far fewer crooked votes. Just like West Palm Beach is just a fraction of Lauderdale, so too the vote fraud.

    Scott is finally taking action – but he should have anticipated this Election Day. Because I cursed and screamed (mostly figuratively) every election I lived here and witnessed the shenanigans that happened.

    It is 100% predictable.

    These found ballot boxes need to be not just signature verified (fraud is easy) but tracked down and the people need to be investigated one by one to see if they have voted, eg if they never entered the polling location, if they were across the state, if their cell phone had them down in Gables all day, then open a fraud investigation as to how that vote got cast. Get people under oath at risk of perjury – and they will say they didn’t vote. This charade needs to end. This needs to happen for months after every election regardless of the outcome as a deterrent. DeSantis needs to be seated and slap an integrity agreement on elections. And people who didn’t vote need to be forced to admit someone else forged their ballot until the numbers are big enough and broad enough to start wholesale investigations that track down and indict lots of people.

    If there is a will, there is a way.

    PrincetonAl (e6d8c7)

  39. Well said at 38…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. The Ag Commissioner race is already flipped thanks to this fraud.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  41. Well said PrincetonAl.

    Election fraud needs to be dealt with in the severest way possible.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  42. Anyone care to explain how the last votes counted are always slanted heavily to the leftist candidate?

    NJRob (1d7532)

  43. Ballot boxes that are unsealed are unacceptable then there is a matter of matching the right seals the printouts break down even before the upload, for all the talk of black box fraud,

    Narciso (710fa2)

  44. “Anyone care to explain how the last votes counted are always slanted heavily to the leftist candidate?”

    It’s easy. There’s a massive conspiracy involving 1000s of people, and not a single one of them ever snitches.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  45. Having voted in Broward’s early voting, I can say the poll workers were slow and not quite competent, the equipment was a bit balky (had to try 3 machines to get the last page of my ballot scanned), and the ballot was long (5 pages front and back, and it was longer for people who had municipal elections to vote in, which I didn’t) because of amendments to the state constitution and the county charter….but the top of the ballot with governor and senate races was not confusing.

    The difference in votes cast in the governor’s race and the Senate race is almost certainly due to black voters who cast their vote for a fellow black in the governor’s race and attorney general race, but saw no reason to choose between two white guys for the Senate . And Rubio’s reference to Bay County is disingenuous. Bay County has about 1/10 the population of Broward County, about 185,000 for Bay and about 1.9 million for Broward.

    kishnevi (9a9ca3)

  46. ““Anyone care to explain how the last votes counted are always slanted heavily to the leftist candidate?”

    It’s easy. There’s a massive conspiracy involving 1000s of people, and not a single one of them ever snitches.”

    WAY TO EXAGGERATE THE QUESTION WHILE NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING IT, DAVE, IT’S ALMOST LIKE YOU WERE NEVER A CONSERVATIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND DON’T ACTUALLY CARE IF THEY GET DISENFRANCHISED.

    Ajami (7a4235)

  47. “Anyone care to explain how the last votes counted are always slanted heavily to the leftist candidate?”

    It’s easy. There’s a massive conspiracy involving 1000s of people, who are Democrat patronage workers taking the day off from their city and county jobs to work the election — from precinct captains bringing in the votes to poll workers who register them and count them.

    and not a single one of them ever snitches to anyone in a position to do anything about it. It’s an open secret that they keep among themselves if they want to keep their government jobs.

    I have lived in Chicago since 1967, Davethulhu. Tell it to Nyarlhotep, the Shaggoths won’t believe you.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. Scott Walker went down to defeat when the city of Milwaukee submitted 45,000 uncounted alleged absentee ballots shortly after midnight on Wednesday. The Democrat candidate outpolled him 38,000 to 7,000 in those ballots (a margin of — according to my calculator — 31,000 votes) and went on to win the election by a margin of 29,000.

    Milwaukee County Clerk George Chistenson said his office received about 46,000 early and absentee ballots from the city long after all other votes had been counted in the county. The city waited to tally those votes until it finished counting other ballots.

    Once again an urban area dominated by Democrats finds just barely enough votes to ensure that their candidate wins the election. I mean, this could in fact be on the up-and-up, but it has happened enough times before that our lefty friends will forgive us if we’re a bit suspicious.

    JVW (42615e)

  49. Like when franken won, the dems wiill keep “finding” ballots until they win.

    Jim (50611c)

  50. Scott is a very rich man and has put $50M of his own $ into this election. Should any recount or current shenanigans lead to his “defeat”, is it possible that he demand a full vote by vote recount…
    And flush out all the illegal votes?

    JB (ff7817)

  51. Scott very cleverly passed a law preventing recounts when the difference is greater than 1%.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  52. Woops sorry, not Scott, Walker.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  53. JVW,

    the theft in Dino Rossi’s race is what got me started on election fraud being a serious crime. It’s only exploded since.

    I’m sure if Gore had stolen his race, it would’ve been ever earlier.

    How is someone committed election fraud not trying to overthrow the legitimately elected government of the United States and all that entails?

    NJRob (1d7532)

  54. Scott Walker. Rick Scott.

    Too many Scotts.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  55. nk, most of the poll workers here are retirees looking for something to do other than playing mahjong.

    kishnevi (9a9ca3)

  56. Yes dino rossi was the test run for minnesota, going farther back you had Loretta Sanchez and woody Jenkins that was more a matter of illegal voters.

    Narciso (710fa2)

  57. Scott Walker. Rick Scott.

    Too many Scotts.

    Scot Petersen, the Broward Coward.
    Scott Israel, his boss.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. So if she’s been in violation of Federal Law why isn’t she in jail? Seriously folks, I’m getting really tired of reading about people who should be incarcerated or at least fired getting away with “it”.

    Bop Crash (5a4596)

  59. “Yeah, they did.”

    No they didn’t.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/campaign/126789-the-truth-about-the-2008-minnesota-senate-recount-a-response-to-democratic-party-still-disenfranchising-and-oppresing-votes

    “Fewer than 80 voters in the two most populous counties, which include Minneapolis and St. Paul, have been charged with voting or registering when they were barred by Minnesota law. Not all have been convicted. Meanwhile, a handful of others statewide have been charged. There’s no indication that has added up to 312.

    But, even if did, what makes Thielen think all voted for Franken? The first felon convicted of voting illegally admitted to voting for Coleman.”

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  60. And I just put up a new post on what’s going on in Arizona.

    Criminey. This is going to keep us busy through Christmas.

    JVW (42615e)

  61. “There’s not a problem with drunk driving in our town because only two people were charged with DUIs last month.”

    JVW (42615e)

  62. “Even though the first drunk driver was a beer drinker, all the rest were surely whiskey drinkers.”

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  63. “Meanwhile, a handful of others statewide have been charged. There’s no indication that has added up to 312.”
    Davethulhu (02d505) — 11/8/2018 @ 9:20 pm

    The number charged may not be 312. So what?

    In the Stevens case, none of the corrupt prosecutors were ever charged with anything either. None were prosecuted. So what?

    Munroe (be98e5)

  64. “So what?”

    So, this list of supposed felon voters is not vetted. There’s no proof, beyond the ones who have been convicted, that the names on the list are actually felons, and not, for example, innocent people with the same name. In fact, that some people on the list were charged implies that the police found no reason to charge others.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  65. I have no sympathy for the argument that an election was stolen because felons voted. With Florida now joining the mainstream, only ten states will have an outright ban on felons voting. In the other 41, it ranges from being able to vote from prison, to felons who are not incarcerated, to felons who have completed their terms of probation or parole. Meh!

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Or is it nine, because I forgot Virginia? Still meh!

    nk (dbc370)

  67. @ JVW (#48): Have you read the Robert Caro biography of LBJ? It exhaustively and devastatingly chronicles the way in which LBJ became a master at stealing elections. The key was to ensure that whatever else happened, you kept enough of “your boxes” — meaning the voting totals from the precincts you controlled — from being reported until after your opponent’s total was already clear. Only then could you know how many votes you needed to manufacture.

    It was a skill-set, linked to Texas’ electoral votes, that made Lyndon Johnson first JFK’s running mate, then JFK’s Veep, for without the dead men who voted in alphabetical order in South Texas, John F. Kennedy might have ended up like, er, well — Beto O’Rourke.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  68. (This theme and practice cuts across the entire sweep of the so-far four-volume set; we’re all holding our breath for Caro to complete the last volume, on LBJ’s final days, before Caro (now age 83) meets up with his subject.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  69. Jeb Bush is running with a bad crowd nowadays:

    https://twitter.com/flexlibris/status/1060722367587119105

    Ajami (884f69)

  70. I’m quite sure that last Tuesday, in the Rio Grande Valley, El Paso, and some neighborhoods in San Antonio, the same guys who always make the rounds on election day were out again with “the Presidents” — you know, the Jacksons, with the occasional Grant, or even the most beloved (if not technically presidential) Benjamins — to hand out to the right people in the right places, to get the pickup trucks full of the regular customers to the polls in good order and on time. They used to give out cartons and cartons of cigarettes, too, but I don’t know if they still do that, or if they’ve moved on to other sorts of treats.

    Political pros on both sides in Texas factor in these votes as part of their baseline assumptions, and have for decades.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  71. Beldar’s description of generalized election day chicanery is so admirably non-partisan, non-toxic, non-informational, non-relevant, and non-demographically descriptive that it should be framed and overlaid with a Shutterstock(tm) watermark and put alongside the rest of the catalog actors doing stock meme poses.

    Ajami (025b4f)

  72. Don’t be snide to a long-time commenter here, Ajami, especially seeing as you are new here. If you can’t follow Beldar’s point (here’s a clue: if you are familiar with the areas he listed you would know that he is clearly pegging the party involved) then that’s really on you, not on him.

    JVW (42615e)

  73. Ajami is not new here, JVW. He is Christoph, an old-time commenter from Canada, who now discovered VPN, and can claim he’s from Texas. Ajami is the dozenth or so moniker he’s used here in the last couple of months.

    nk (dbc370)

  74. My mom was the vault attendant at the personal bank of Cook Co. Board Pres. Toni Preckwinkle from back in the 90s when she was a Chicago alderman, and she used to always make a visit the Satirday before election day to drawn down bags full of 20 dollar bills.

    It might be too late for a Brooks Brothers riot, you needed a Tony Peraica mob March to the county HQ on election night.

    urbanleftbehind (6b82d4)

  75. Who wants to bet that all those mysterious undervoted ballots will magically reappear with Nelson’s bubble filled in after the Broward County poll workers fill them in?

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  76. I dunno kishnevi, must just be a Groundhog Day-style coinkydink this always happens in Broward County, eh?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. 75… is this the guy with the foreskin fever, nk?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. “Literally, you can count on them or with them. The Democrats in Florida, Georgia, and Arizona are continuing to ‘count’ the ‘votes’ in the 2018 election and, curiously, as they continue to “count,” the Democrats either take the lead or close the gap.”

    I call enough of this bullschiff.

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  79. So you want a state, where the felon and the illegals interests override the law abiding citizen.

    Narciso (2771dd)

  80. Why do none of these theoretically Republican controlled counties ever say, “We’re not going to put in our count until they do. In fact, we’re going to hold our count until the minute before we’re legally required to submit.”

    Ingot9455 (f12c00)

  81. Because we abide by procedures even if they do not.

    Narciso (2771dd)

  82. 82 I have always wondered this as well. I recall in one of the recount sagas in WI (I believe the Supreme Court one) one red county had a snafu and did not update vote totals until the last second and things and it made the lefties really mad. I assumed because they couldn’t be sure how many votes to find.

    Susanita (8bc977)

  83. Yes it was Brookfield

    Narciso (2771dd)

  84. Ajami is not new here, JVW. He is Christoph, an old-time commenter from Canada. . .

    I should have guessed as much.

    JVW (42615e)

  85. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/9/2018 @ 5:41 am

    Yes.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. Well he’s not focusing on that now, I think the whole sale trashing of our electoral system is more on point.

    Narciso (2771dd)

  87. Sheesh

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  88. Ajami is not new here, JVW. He is Christoph, an old-time commenter from Canada. . .

    Yep. It’s pretty obvious. NK has it exactly right. For a while he just rotated IP addresses every comment for some reason. I guess for $5 a month he can troll blogs all day.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  89. Night Fever “Clip Fever” the Bee Gees

    Listen to the sound
    There is movement all around
    There is something goin’ down
    And he can feel it
    In his short n’ curly hair
    The shears are headin’ for there
    It’s somethin’ he don’t wanna share
    They wanna steal it

    And that sweet city woman
    She turns off the light
    His temperature’s headin’ real high
    When she reach out for him
    Yeah, and the feelin’ is right

    Then he do get the clip fever (clip fever)
    He don’t wanna lose it
    He do has teh clip fever (clip fever)
    Ain’t no way he choose it

    There he is
    Prayin’ that he out runs teh knife
    Livin’ like he’s on borrowed time
    Breakin’ teh wind
    Makin’ it his

    Clip fever, clip fever
    He don’t wanna lose it
    He do has teh clip fever (clip fever)
    Ain’t no way he choose it

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  90. @ Susanita – actually it was because the clekr of courts forgot to upload it to the state system. She had it all tabulated and counted, thought she had uploaded it and got into a lot of trouble because of that snafu. If I remember correctly, they ever did a hand recount of those votes just to prove there had been no monkey business. The problems in Florida are where they are no providing clear numbers as to how many ballots they have left to count and chain of custody issues as noted in the video.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  91. *even* and *not* – my personal internal spell check sucks….

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  92. It’s a fraud, you can establish in rough numbers what is the total count and break them down by categories

    Narciso (2771dd)

  93. Davethulhu (02d505) — 11/8/2018 @ 9:20 pm

    “Fewer than 80 voters in the two most populous counties, which include Minneapolis and St. Paul, have been charged with voting or registering when they were barred by Minnesota law.

    It’s not that there can be no vote fraud.

    It’s that political machines never get actual people to cast ballots in person when they have any other method, and tehy do when they control the election machinery. The forged votes are manufactured after the election. Or before that.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  94. 48.

    Once again an urban area dominated by Democrats finds just barely enough votes

    I looked at the statistics once and posted it here. Elections won by very, very, close margins are disproportinately won by Democrats.

    There are otehr kinds of statistical tests you can use to determine possible fraud.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  95. Prediction: Democrats will laugh and say that any election cheating in Florida is a fair turn-about for Bush “stealing” the 2000 election.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  96. And people who didn’t vote need to be forced to admit someone else forged their ballot until the numbers are big enough and broad enough to start wholesale investigations that track down and indict lots of people.

    If only Trump controlled a Department of Justice and an FBI. If only voting rights were federally enforceable.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  97. This should be worth an update. Judge rules in Rick Scott’s favor.

    Paul Montagu (e7d63b)

  98. This is all part of the “Resistance,” I’m sure.

    Just like in the Banana Republic of CA, 13 registrars failed to count signatures in time to allow an initiative on the ballot that would have repealed all the pro-crime initiatives CA morons voted for previously. I know, they get what they deserve…but, can’t the opposition at least be honest in counting votes?

    http://www.publicceo.com/2018/07/commentary-crime-initiative-thwarted-by-registrars-bureaucracy/

    Patricia (3363ec)

  99. Judge upholds law, a novel concept.

    Narciso (29509a)

  100. I get the feeling this snipes hunt would bag some old birds… https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1060944037715292160/photo/1

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  101. Title IX Chapter 102.112:

    (2) Returns must be filed by 5 p.m. on the 7th day following a primary election and by noon on the 12th day following the general election. However, the Department of State may correct typographical errors, including the transposition of numbers, in any returns submitted to the Department of State pursuant to s. 102.111(2).

    12 days? why are we even talking, here?

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0100-0199/0102/Sections/0102.112.html

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  102. Slightly off-topic, but I’ve seen a few people here post how Trump did so much better in the midterms than other Presidents. Curiously, they don’t mention Bush 43. The 2002 midterms saw Republicans gaining seats in both the Senate and the House.

    But Bush was so much worse than Trump, right?

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  103. It’s that political machines never get actual people to cast ballots in person when they have any other method, and tehy do when they control the election machinery. The forged votes are manufactured after the election. Or before that.

    Which is why voting ID laws thar focus on inperson fraud and voter ID are political theater.

    kishnevi (bec396)

  104. Yes the economy didn’t matter this time, people don’t appreciate what they have till it’s gone. Trust me this crew of ravages will destroy what has been built.

    Narciso (9b6052)

  105. Jeff Kottkamp
    @JeffKottkamp
    Affidavit filed by Broward Election’s employee in support of Caldwell lawsuit provides eye witness account of Elections staff filling in blank ballots. When this was reported the employee was fired and told not to come back.

    harkin (311cb7)

  106. Chuck, you have to consider the 2002 midterms in the context of a war presidency, of which union states in 1862, 1898, 1918, 1942, and 1950 might be the only comparables. 1966 was a payback for the CRA and War on Poverty (and preceded Tet) and in certain locales 1970 was notable for war skeptics in Nixon territories being voted out, e.g
    Gore Sr.

    urbanleftbehind (e01401)

  107. I always wonder why the other counties just hold their ballot counts until the cheater counties fess up.
    “No, Broward County always reports last. This time, we’re reporting last. We’ll report when their vote count is final.”

    Ingot9455 (0433d6)

  108. just another year ending in an even number, urban,

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. Of course after the 2016 election Trump tried to clean up the voter rolls of illegal aliens and was told by the D’s to stop it. And told by McConnell and Ryan that it was a waste of time.

    No one cared.

    Now we’re going to lose two Senate Seats – FLA, ARZ by razor thin margins. How many illegals voted? Probably enough to give the D’s the victory.

    But thanks Never Trumpers – you love open borders and before long you’ll achieve your goal, a Federal Government that looks just the California State Government.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  110. Well kobachs voter integrity was obstructed at every instance and all data was ordered destroyed,

    Narciso (2814d9)

  111. ROFL.

    Word is today that at least one, and possibly more, county elections office in the panhandle has been accepting EMAIL BALLOTS, which is not allowed under state law.

    http://floridapolitics.com/archives/281018-bay-county-email-votes

    it’s a small number of ballots — irrelevant to the overall total — and it’s being justified as an accomodation to voters having trouble because of the hurricane, and yet it’s also completely illegal and utterly insecure.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  112. 158 ballots from Bay County submitted by email or fax, according to Rush Limbaugh. Maybe because the polling place was closed (although early voting might have been possible?) The argument is that some military ballots could be submitted that way. But there may be no basis for that, unless somebody went and got a court order first.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  113. kishnevi (bec396) — 11/9/2018 @ 7:20 pm

    Which is why voting ID laws thar focus on inperson fraud and voter ID are political theater.

    They are things that might have made sense – sort of – 50 or 60 years ago, but not now. They may not be political thetre – they may be intended to dimish the number of voters.

    And it is possible that it costs more Republican votes than Democratic votes, because it would tend to be elderly, rural people who most miss the documents (well, out-of-state college students too, who have documents showing them residing in other states, thus disqulifying them in spite of Supreme Court decision circa 1972 that set amaximum of 30 days requirted residency to regsister to vote)

    Democrats work extra hard qualifying their people, and then they turn out.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/us/politics/north-dakota-voter-id.html

    Yet under a law the Supreme Court allowed to take effect this month, North Dakotans cannot vote without a residential address. Post office boxes, which many Native Americans rely on, aren’t enough anymore.

    .. Tribes have extended their office hours and worked around the clock to find efficient ways to assign addresses and issue identification. They are providing hundreds of free IDs when they would normally charge at least $5 to $10 apiece. The Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians printed so many IDs that the machine overheated and started melting the cards.

    “What people out there don’t understand is how much it costs a tribe to make sure that each and every individual tribal member has that right to vote,” said OJ Semans, co-executive director of Four Directions, a Native American voting rights group working with tribal leaders. “The tribes have invested thousands of dollars, whether it’s equipment, man-hours, meetings. This has not come cheap.”

    But there were on;y about 30,000 Indian voters in North Dakota.

    In one county it was easy to get an address – in another – the sheriff, who was in charge of the 911 system (which could assign addresses) was stalling people.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

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