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10/27/2018

Eight Shot Dead in Pittsburgh Synagogue [UPDATED]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 10:13 am

[guest post by JVW]

Horrible news this morning from Pittsburgh: eight people are reported as dead when a gunman entered a local synagogue during 10:00 am morning prayer services and started firing. The gunman was taken into custody by police and has been identified as Robert Bowers, 46, “a white man with a beard.” Bowers is reported to have been carrying an AR-15 along with handguns, and to have been shouting “all Jews must die” as he opened fire. The venue is the Tree of Life Synagogue, located in the Squirrel Hill section of Pittsburgh, a historically Jewish part of the city.

Say what you will about this source, but The Mirror has pretty robust coverage of this awful situation.

A truly devastating way to begin the weekend.

[UPDATE] – The website heavy.com purports to have samples from the shooter’s social media accounts. They characterize him as “a white supremacist” who was not registered with a political party and did not vote for President Trump because he saw Trump as just another globalist. Make of that what you will.

– JVW

318 Responses to “Eight Shot Dead in Pittsburgh Synagogue [UPDATED]”

  1. This is a good time to warn against over-speculation as to the shooter’s motives, which apart from rank anti-Semitism aren’t yet very clear.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. Wonder if shooter was anti-termite.

    harkin (ef2377)

  3. On his “The Social Media” he’s pretty anti-semitic and calls himself an ultra nationalist, and considered Trump a globalist and not strict enough to support him. I don’t think an actual political philosophy fits.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (f5bb11)

  4. This is a good time to warn against over-speculation as to the shooter’s motives, which apart from rank anti-Semitism aren’t yet very clear.

    I agree, but it’s also a good time to warn against under-speculation. It reminds me of all the other times when people walked into a Jewish place screaming hatred for Jews and people stood around and said the motives were a total mystery.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  5. From Pgh. City officials say the FBI is handling this- Federal investigation – ‘hate crime’ w/help from City of Pgh. police and Allegheny County officials. Squirrel Hill is a beautiful neighborhood, too, east of downtown; CMU is close by. Pittsburgh is a model of rebirth, post-Rustbelt times. Took nearly two generations, but they’re strong- where the Allegheny meets the Ohio… it’s still the Steel City.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. “I agree, but it’s also a good time to warn against under-speculation.”

    Brian Ross nods his head.

    Munroe (2f02d5)

  7. Robert Bowers really hates Jews, claimed not to be a Trump voter, was a frequent commenter at alt-right Gab. More here.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  8. Virulent anti-Semite… Trump-hater… “all Jews must die”

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  9. There is some good coverage of Bowers at heavy.com

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers/?fbclid=IwAR2NMpeEPHlHLd-TKZ-yHZyymVcu7DAIYvrSmLMga5djm9lPP-TCKa4MtLw

    He apparently posted on gab, mostly about his hatred of Jews, but also about not liking Trump much (apparently Trump liked Jews). Gab account now deleted, which is a disservice, but a pretty common one.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  10. [UPDATE] – The website heavy.com purports to have samples from the shooter’s social media accounts. They characterize him as “a white supremacist” who was not registered with a political party and did not vote for President Trump because he saw Trump as just another globalist. Make of that what you will.

    JVW (42615e)

  11. Thanks Kevin M. We found the same site at the same time.

    JVW (42615e)

  12. You too, Paul Montagu.

    JVW (42615e)

  13. I made my first-ever visit to Pittsburgh earlier this month. Wonderful city, beautiful in the fall, very friendly people. I was on the CMU campus, so I guess I was next-door to the Squirrel Hill neighborhood.

    JVW (42615e)

  14. The whole damn world has gone cuckoo

    mg (536c95)

  15. The world is going where the President is leading it.

    Appalled (342273)

  16. We must shorten that appalled and find room for it on teh wheel…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/thatjerkme/status/1056226460904685568/photo/1

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  17. Animal. Do animals have motives?

    nk (9651fb)

  18. @13. Yes, autumn is lovely there. Winter, not so much- driving up and down those steep hills on icy, snowy roads remains a chilly memory. The city has come a long, long way from the days of the steel mills. My mother worked downtown in her youth and would tell stories of wearing a white blouse to work and coming home in grey one from the smokey air; recall as a youngter still seeing the overnight glow from J&L steel as well. That’s all gone, now. Air is clean, city has transformed itself into an education and research hub. Real estate is affordable all around the area and for the most part, communities mesh well. Everything Heinz and fair foul, Pirates and Steelers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Yes, and they have friends in high places… https://mobile.twitter.com/cortez_sea/status/1056234813315866625/photo/1

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  20. “Animal. Do animals have motives?”
    nk (9651fb) — 10/27/2018 @ 10:53 am

    They do, if you can tie the motive to Trump. If not, they’re just animals— unless they’re MS-13.

    Munroe (860a49)

  21. They do, if you can tie the motive to Trump. If not, they’re just animals— unless they’re MS-13.

    If you can’t tie them to right-wing villains then they are just disaffected loners who have tragically been allowed to slip through the cracks of our mental health system, due to harsh funding cuts during the Reagan era.

    JVW (42615e)

  22. Inside crazy: the gab feed of the shooter. NSFW or really any polite company.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20181027160428/https://imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR

    Kevin M (a57144)

  23. It is safe to say he was a non-partisan anti-Semite.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  24. JVW, this is not directed to you personally, so please don’t feel like it’s a judgment against you. I know that you are simply reporting the details as they come out. Period.

    With that, I’ve been thinking about how nothing demonstrates to me more clearly the obscene polarization and politicization that has seeped into every facet of American life than when public servants are threatened with bombs, or are the targets of a madman with a gun at a baseball practice, or when Jews in a synagogue are shot and killed and our go-to move is to find out whether the suspect’s politics are left or right. It’s almost as if both sides wait with bated breath, standing at the ready to use the miscreant’s political loyalties as a weapon against those on other side of the aisle, or to gird up for the endless attacks if the unhinged identified as part of their tribe. I feel this use to happen most often when the attacks involved radicalized Islamists, but now it occurs with every act of violence, no matter who it involves. Whether a hate crime involving race, or gender, or religion, or outright murder, every suspect’s social media is scoured to find that one piece of confirmation that they are either left or right. And then the offense and defense mobilization begins. Seems to me that something is very broken within a people and the nation at large that this has become our collective, default go-to move.

    Dana (023079)

  25. Apparently the synagogue does not employ armed security at its services. This is such a horrible thing to have to say, but perhaps all Jewish schools and synagogues in this day and age need to have a security presence near by. Even if an armed guard would not have been able to stop Bowers, engaging with him might have given more congregants a chance to escape.

    JVW (42615e)

  26. Dana–

    And, worse, those who might be called upon to heal are the worst of offenders. Trump, who used today’s attack to call for arming churches. The Democrat contenders who tripped all over themselves lynching Kavanaugh. The last president who actually tried to unite people was W, and look how he was treated. The entire 2016 campaign, both sides, was about getting even for what THEY did to US.

    And so, it’s Us vs Them. It has been for over a decade, possible since the 2000 election. The media has taken a side, almost monolithically, and this makes the situation more extreme. When you cannot trust the news to be reported fairly (even when you are on the same side), you only have your perceptions, biases and those of your friends to go by. Bubbles form, and this increases the separation.

    We are sliding rapidly now, to a very bad place. I think the coming California secession will set off the fireworks.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  27. The #falseflag chorus has already started. Because of course, it’s “more likely” that all things are #falseflag.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (f5bb11)

  28. False-flag? What, he’s really a deep-cover sleeper agent of [pick something]? Occam would give you a Bronx cheer.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  29. Even the Reichstag only burned once.

    JVW (42615e)

  30. BTW, how about that Dodger game? I was busy until late, and thought I was going to miss it. Turned it on in the 9th inning. It was just beginning, really.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  31. This might be the Taco Bowl of False Flags- “dont you see, really bad anti semites hate me too”.

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  32. this is exactly the kind of guy jack dorsey’s twitter likes to nurture and support

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. An America where places of worship need to post armed guards is not “great”.

    Dave (9664fc)

  34. armed guards are useful for when people go on shooting sprees Mr. Dave

    the reason is cause if they’re armed that means they have a gun they can use to stop the bad person who is shooting everybody (immediate halt to violence)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. An America where places of worship need to post armed guards is not “great”.

    No, it’s not, but laying these shootings on Trump (as you imply) isn’t accurate. They’ve been going on for some time.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  36. Twuck Fitter…if its decommissioning is the sole end result of the past week, I’m good.

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  37. See what Trump’s “body slam” comment has led to?

    Munroe (8ff5e1)

  38. No, it’s not, but laying these shootings on Trump (as you imply) isn’t accurate. They’ve been going on for some time.

    Obviously. My comment was a criticism of Trump’s tone-deaf, blame-the-victims response.

    While the shooter alone is responsible for these crimes, I do believe electing Trump, with his dishonorable character, rhetoric and behavior, made hateful violence (by all sides) more likely by further rending the political fabric of the nation.

    We would be wise never to elect another shameless reprobate like him again.

    Dave (9664fc)

  39. The Houston Chronicle says the congregants were there for a baby-naming ceremony. I doubt this lone wolf shooter cared. He didn’t see them as people — let alone a baby with parents, grandparents, family and friends.

    DRJ (15874d)

  40. “made hateful violence (by all sides) more likely”

    But, in reality, which side has it been overwhelmingly coming from?

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  41. Because everybody knows rhetoric automatically begets “hateful violence”… it’s only natural… right?

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  42. I call bullschiff.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  43. JVW, this is not directed to you personally, so please don’t feel like it’s a judgment against you. I know that you are simply reporting the details as they come out. Period.

    With that, I’ve been thinking about how nothing demonstrates to me more clearly the obscene polarization and politicization that has seeped into every facet of American life than when public servants are threatened with bombs, or are the targets of a madman with a gun at a baseball practice, or when Jews in a synagogue are shot and killed and our go-to move is to find out whether the suspect’s politics are left or right. It’s almost as if both sides wait with bated breath, standing at the ready to use the miscreant’s political loyalties as a weapon against those on other side of the aisle, or to gird up for the endless attacks if the unhinged identified as part of their tribe. I feel this use to happen most often when the attacks involved radicalized Islamists, but now it occurs with every act of violence, no matter who it involves. Whether a hate crime involving race, or gender, or religion, or outright murder, every suspect’s social media is scoured to find that one piece of confirmation that they are either left or right. And then the offense and defense mobilization begins. Seems to me that something is very broken within a people and the nation at large that this has become our collective, default go-to move.

    Dana (023079) — 10/27/2018 @ 11:26 am

    In which today’s social media exacerbates this phenomenon…

    This ‘inter-connectivity’ ironically seems to drive us further apart.

    What can be done here?

    whembly (d40ad5)

  44. People that are easily led, that have no common sense, or sense of proportion, and can’t control their own emotions are the problem.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  45. So why attack trump over this. Seriously, Alex Jones is banned while brother under the skin farrakhan Is allowed as well as the red army faction, how about the man from reverend
    Wrights church and coincidentally a known associate of farrakhan, as well as the predator Keith Ellison the undercard of this deck

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  46. This world would be a much better place if everyone – and I mean EVERYONE – would show some love and concern for everyone they have an interaction with… each and every day. What a better world this would be.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  47. On a smaller scale there’s that snowflake Emily Davis who thought to erase an iconic portrait of Jews because they were white men, this happened in the uk.

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  48. Dana, JVW:

    I have an unpopular opinion. I think that the coarseness of our current society, the anonymous use of social media to say hateful things, the “bumper sticker” thinking that is common now….all of this makes this kind of nightmare possible.

    People with whom I disagree are not evil. They are not stupid. They think differently than I do. From my point of view, they are wrong. That’s all. Furthermore, not everything is political.

    But as we start snarking, using childish insults, it begins the process of dehumanizing our opponents. Then an awful calculus begins: if our opponents are bad, we must be good. If we are smart, they must be stupid. This mixture of hatred and narcissism is everywhere these days. It’s not Twitter’s fault. It’s deep within our hearts. All of us.

    We begin focusing on a few topics, a few comments, and we don’t even check them out. They fit our preconceived notions. Decent people get called vile names, even accused of crimes. More specifically, people who have reliably conservative voting records are called “RINO”s and worse. Simple labels. It escalates. Our rhetoric increases in intensity. And becomes, bit by bit, violent.

    There are good people on this blog who have, in the past, made jokes about opponents dying. Of those people being guilty of treason and needing to be hung. People insisting their opponents should be jailed, without a court. We hate it when opponents say this, but we do it too.

    Our nation is now a group of tribes. Sometimes it is racial. Sometimes economic. Other times ideological.

    But what is in common is how each tribe “dehumanizes” the other tribes.

    Crazy people then seize upon this, the over the top rhetoric. The exaggerations and caricatures. They aren’t capable of nuance or perspective.

    So all the BS I hate in social media creates the topsoil in which murderous crazy can sprout and grow.

    We should remember that our opponents are people. Humans. Not evil, just wrong.

    But don’t worry. Folks are happy to tell me I am wrong.

    Except I’ll bet many, many people think I am right.

    Simon Jester (85cbbb)

  49. While the shooter alone is responsible for these crimes, I do believe electing Trump, with his dishonorable character, rhetoric and behavior, made hateful violence (by all sides) more likely by further rending the political fabric of the nation.

    I don’t disagree, but the tone would have been no better had Hillary Clinton been elected. We were faced with a horrendous choice in 2016, and neither of the major two candidates was going to heal the nation.

    JVW (42615e)

  50. Anyone know why this tweet is still up on Twitter?

    I’m not an anti-Semite. I’m anti-Termite.

    Especially after this morning in Pittsburgh? This speaks directly to the social media exacerbating the phenomenon.

    Dana (023079)

  51. In so far, the two events are connected, bower was prompted to tell us you are crying over fake bombs, let me show what real horror looks like.

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  52. Because they are fine with it, dana, I suppose they think 5he right people can be allowed to have that view,

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  53. He hates Trump so this will be forgotten. Fake bombs by a guy with no means to make them are more important.

    Plus Linda Sarsour and Company would be in a bad spot if Media covers it.

    Bob (9af831)

  54. No he will blamed, its first to denounce time, Steyer and soros will get dibs because they were targeted by the vizzini bomber,

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  55. The shooter sorry for using his name is a demon, a nazgul, one of those in the thrall ‘of powers of the air’s

    On an unrelated point, the journal interviews elaine pegals who draws all the wrong lessons from the Dead Sea scrolls.

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  56. Fake bombs by a guy with no means to make them are more important.

    They found the materials, envelopes, etc in his van.

    Dave (9664fc)

  57. Simon Jeter:

    I have no quibble with what you wrote, but long before the onslaught of social media and instant hot takes, our discourse was starting to plummet. The idea of policy by soundbite didn’t start with Facebook or Twitter, nor did treating campaigns as horseraces centered around tactics and personalities rather than as intellectual questions centered around ideas and aspirations. I recall reading once that the average nightly news story on the 1960 Presidential election was something like eight minutes long and featured clips of candidates speaking for five of those minutes, but by 2000 (or sometime thereabouts) the average news story was three minutes and featured less than a minute of a candidate’s actual words. Those figures may not be totally right, but it was something along those lines.

    My curmudgeonly and unpopular opinion is as follows: we made a real mistake in the 80s and 90s when we started to put out all of these public service ads encouraging everyone to vote. We should instead have been encouraging civics engagement, learning about the issues, the candidates, etc. The result of being so glib and superficial about voting is that our politics is now dominated by the cult of personality. We elect people based upon their mien, not upon their accomplishments. I’m sure that comes off as smug and condescending; so be it. The answer, of course, isn’t to start denying qualified voters their right to vote, but it should be to (1) stop spending taxpayer resources encouraging the low information voter to make their voices heard and (2) bring back civics education — beyond teaching the hierarchy of social justice grievances — to schoolchildren so that they understand simple ideas such as it’s city government who fixes potholes in the road, not Washington DC.

    Here endeth the rant.

    JVW (42615e)

  58. @25. Indeed. Case in point- in the early minutes after news began breaking about this terrible hate crime, an inexperienced Fox news reader, in her rush to report, read copy on air twice to a national audience stating this as an attack on a “conservative” congregation in Squirrel Hill- w/no further detailing.

    The reference was dropped in subsequent reports as the story matured; the use of the term ‘conservative’ referred to a denomination of Judaism ‘unrelated to political leanings,’ per huffpo.

    source- https://www.huffingtonpost.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. I think Yeats have something to this, but we haven’t been through a great war, we have been through an unexceptional contest two years ago, somewhat akin to what Brazil is undergoing this weekend, except they have a massive meltdown

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  60. Simon, Dana,Kevin – yes. That is the nightmare of our time.

    But I wonder if the postwar west was a historical aberration and we are just returning to normal.

    And I wonder if liberal democracy will die as a result.

    aphrael (9e5b62)

  61. Yes its shorthand as to the denomination, small kidney bean, the real problem in part is the schools have been following a valueless and often tactless based constructivist curriculum and this has impact ed the media in part, so ABC tells us with a straight face that Hezbollah was not behind the marine barracks bombing 35 years ago. The president made a point to remember that momemy

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  62. Also, California is not going to secede.

    aphrael (9e5b62)

  63. @58. JVW– stellar rant. Well said!!!! Civics classes, indeed. Hell, my ballot this cycle was four pages long- took an hour to fill out and mail, even w/explanation booklets as reference. Can’t imagine low information voters standing in a polling place spending that much time doing that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. Can’t imagine low information voters standing in a polling place spending that much time doing that.

    They don’t have to. Plenty of organization and parties are happy to provide for them a “voter guide” that tells them how to fill out their ballot.

    And I think that some part of California (the city of Los Angeles for example) are talking about moving civic elections so that they correspond with federal elections. So instead of electing the next mayor in 2021, they will push it back to the 2022 ballot when there will be races for governor and senator on the ballot. This is touted as a way to boost engagement, but what it means is that the Los Angeles voter is going to get a ballot with about 70 different ballot lines on it.

    I would much rather have an 8% turn-out for a local election if every single one of those voters made an effort to learn about the candidates and the issues, than have a 30% turn-out for a combined local and federal election with two-thirds of them not even realizing that they would be voting for the mayor and city council and local initiatives.

    JVW (42615e)

  65. And what is the content of the civics class, if it’s another derivative of Howard zinns vision of America as a boschean horror one comes back to the same problem.

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  66. @65. Why let some ‘party hack’ do your thinking for you– and those junk mail pieces w/party recommendations usually only come in the post to those registered w/a specific party. More and more voters are registered indies. And yes, an initiative to move some civic elections to correspond w/federal elections- sheriff, for instance- was on the ballot this cycle here.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. The problem is like the five year lifespan coded into the replicant, there can’t be any good spoken of the institutions of yesteryear.

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  68. Would the likes of brown and Feinstein be elected under that system, there is your answer

    Narciso (9c31ab)

  69. Is it cynical to observe that the coverage of this story will be less intense because the shooter was not a professed Trump lover?

    harkin (ef2377)

  70. One of the wiser scheduling of a state elections is the Virginia gubernatorial election cycle coupled with its 1 term limitation. ..it tamps down on the presidential aspirations beneficiaries of Swamp

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  71. And what is the content of the civics class, if it’s another derivative of Howard zinns vision of America as a boschean horror one comes back to the same problem.

    Yeah, that’s why I wrote that it can’t be just a recitation on the grievance hierarchy.

    Here are the topics I would like to see:
    * What is the city council and what does it do?
    * What are the duties of the mayor?
    * How does my city raise revenue, and what do they do with it?
    * What is the difference between police departments and sheriff departments?
    * Is there county-level government?
    * If so, what are their tasks and responsibilities?
    * How is county-level government funded?
    * What are the responsibilities of state government?
    * How does the state raise revenue?

    And so on, and so on, up until the user has been taught how government at all levels works.

    What really got me started on this kick was some years back (it was during Obama’s administration, but after the GOP had taken back the House) there was a letter to the editor in my local paper from some woman who was angry that the House leadership was blocking an Obama bill to increase funding for transportation projects, because the streets of her local city had a lot of potholes that needed to be fixed. It just stunned me that someone out there really thinks that it is up to Washington DC to fix potholes in Everytown, USA. And I have no doubt that where Washington failed to come up with the money, she thought that Sacramento ought to step in and pay to fix them. It was just beyond her comprehension that the potholes in her street were a local problem that ought to be addressed by her municipal government. And when you look at modern progressivism, almost everything they see has a societal need ought to be addressed by the federal government, no matter how provincial the issue.

    JVW (42615e)

  72. Likely, Harkin….and when they said bearded white Male, there was probably a lot of pastier faced Muslims still cringing for a few minutes.

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  73. Why let some ‘party hack’ do your thinking for you– and those junk mail pieces w/party recommendations usually only come in the post to those registered w/a specific party.

    I’m a registered independent now, and I get those damn mailers from all comers. If anything, being an independent only makes things worse.

    JVW (42615e)

  74. @74. Your former party may still be using an older mailing list to tease your vote back. Changed my affiliation six or seven cycles [years] ago specifically to stop getting all that junk mail– it was just too much- and it took a several cycles but it finally stopped. Now it’s only the ballot and the explanation booklets. Some days we’d be getting a dozen pieces per mail delivery. It was just too much on top of the TeeVee ads.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. The synagogue shooter also didn’t like brown-skinned people in caravans 1,000 miles from the southern border.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  76. I’m on the tip of that spear (paid indirectly by Happyfeet’s favorite Cabinet member), and in some cases the application of pavement management practices and treatments and 80 fed/20 local match funding can end up resurfacing/reconstructing local class (below collector-class) streets. IIWII for now.

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  77. Your former party may still be using an older mailing list to tease your vote back.

    Perhaps, though I am getting stuff from Democrats and left-leaning organizations too. A week or so ago I received an endorsement flyer that I think was paid for by SEIU. Don’t recall ever getting those when I was registered GOP.

    JVW (42615e)

  78. I think the caravan tries to appear in exterior shots from the Monday Night Mexico City game (Rams, Chiefs, 11.19) but otherwise times its arrival to the Christmas 3 kings holidays.

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  79. Trade you. I’m an Independent and getting incessant texts from Trump and Newt.

    DRJ (15874d)

  80. Lake County il GOP sent me a college brochure covering every sub governor state and county office. I’m about sick of both Sheri Jesiel and Joyce Mason (il house #61).

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  81. everyone knows twitter hates jews it’s a very famous redoubt of anti-semitism and hatred

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. What if this zeitgeist is just paid mob versus paid mob:
    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/311560

    urbanleftbehind (7ca14a)

  83. At least it wasn’t a honduran child from the caravan doing the shooting at the temple. they are lying sick on a mexican road waiting to die.

    lany (bccfb4)

  84. @78. Could depend on how the parties in your particular county want to allocate resources, too. Those ol’lists hold value. Mailings can eat up a budget fast. I’m just glad it finally stopped, but it took a long time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. @72. Those are great points, JVW. Was surprised my niece and nephew didn’t get even the basics of that taught to them in grade school or HS. Civics– or ‘social studies’ as it was coined in my day–was interesting, if not fun to learn but doesn’t seem all that important to kids in classes today. Similar w/history- both kids said they saw no practical use for it. And of all things, penmanship. My nephew graduated HS with stellar grades and literally had no idea how to write a bank check in a world of plastic. Such are the times we live in.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. JVW #58: I agree with you 100%. I actually think people should need to take a civics test to vote, but the Jim Crow Democrats have made that impossible. If you cannot name the three branches of government, your Representative, your two SenTors, and the Doesker of the house, why should you be able to vote?

    Instead I am reminded of Szilard’s observation on democracy.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  87. Trade you. I’m an Independent and getting incessant texts from Trump and Newt.

    I recently (right after Trump’s Texas rally) got a couple texts from Ted Cruz; I long ago tried to remove my name from his mailing lists (I had donated a fair amount to him during the 2016 primaries, ofc).

    To each of the recent texts, I replied “Dear Ted, Until you speak out against Donald Trump, we have nothing to say to each other.”

    To my considerable surprise, I got a human-looking response to my second brush off, saying “OK, thanks for your past support – it means a lot”. Human or AI, that was fairly classy (especially if they also stop hitting me up for money…).

    Yesterday I got a fatuous fund-raising text from Spanky himself. I replied, “You’re a disgrace to our country – leave me alone.”

    I recently moved, and I don’t think the post office forwards campaign spam. Unfortunately, every day I get half a dozen pieces of mail addressed to the former residents of my apartment, which isn’t much better…

    I think this will be the first election cycle since 1996 (when I was still working overseas) that I don’t make any political donations to one or more Republicans.

    Dave (9664fc)

  88. well we’re stuck with avoiding the wrong lizard, words fail to describe this event, I struggled to gather some together, miss awful, of the atlantic misses the point, yes jack ‘free speech ha’ Dorsey, is little help, they’ll work to shut down gab down because of this, which ignores the lessons of Weimar era speech codes, as mark steyn brought to our attention, courtesy of flemming roses research,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. There’s a lot of misplaced hate out there.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  90. I thank the Lord every day for my wife, children and grandchildren. And friends and family… all my blessings. I can’t imagine a life without all of them.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  91. 92,93- Right with you, Col.

    mg (536c95)

  92. What’s a doesker of the house?

    Just kidding!!

    mg (536c95)

  93. Democrats and the progressive ideas they force upon us is how the West was lost.

    mg (536c95)

  94. Don’t take my word for it:

    http://invisibleserfscollar.com/

    Narciso (d1f714)

  95. “I agree, but it’s also a good time to warn against under-speculation. It reminds me of all the other times when people walked into a Jewish place screaming hatred for Jews and people stood around and said the motives were a total mystery.”

    I don’t recall that specifically so much as the media repeatedly minimizing the influence of Islamic upbringing and influence specifically(Saudi money funds their style guides.)

    The response to this should be no more and no less than the general response to the Jewish man 2 weeks ago who built and planned to detonate an actually working 200-pound bomb on election day: Denounce, take steps to protect yourself if warranted, and move on. There’s nothing teachable in this moment that isn’t better learned in a context that doesn’t reward desperate psychotics with unwarranted attention and validation, except perhaps the lesson of the end of the book of Esther.

    Julius Cesar (9b99c6)

  96. #57 They found the materials, envelopes, etc in his van.

    And? None of it worked. All from central casting for all intent and purpose.

    They were so fake a person at CNN pulled the bomb out and staged a photo shoot to send to NBC News.

    Jeez, if I opened a package and thought is a bomb I would not calmly stage a photo.

    Regardless, lots of crazy out there.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  97. #84 At least it wasn’t a honduran child from the caravan doing the shooting at the temple. they are lying sick on a mexican road waiting to die.

    Not the least of my problems and of absolutely no concern.

    History of the world is the history of sob stories and many more deserving of kindness.

    Their parents are to blame for the predicament of the children.

    And if stretching for culpability, their Governments.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  98. #70 Is it cynical to observe that the coverage of this story will be less intense because the shooter was not a professed Trump lover?

    It would be very accurate.

    But they will find some spin to blame every Trump voter for every sin since the deluge.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  99. And? None of it worked.

    So…people who worship Donald Trump and live out of a van maybe aren’t so bright?

    Just throwing that out there.

    Dave (9664fc)

  100. Dropping the hammer on a dud cartridge is still attempted murder, not to mention terrorism, intimidation, and all the other things this guy is going to be charged with.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. Florida Man is who I meant by “this guy”, and he pretty much fits my idea of Trump’s primary voters, as well.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. So your pet notion has promise he was living in his car, yet he travelled to the inaugural got a suit out of it, yes this story still doesn’t make much sense.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  103. #102 Actually Dave an inquisitive mind would wonder:

    How did a homeless guy get these addresses?

    How did a broke homeless guy pay for all this?

    Why would a CNN employee calmly stage a photo of a pipe bomb?

    All the delivery logistics and missing mail stamps.

    … but I do not expect propagandized fools to show curiosity.

    We saw the van!!! Is the extent of thinking.

    Then people wonder how we fell for WMD ………

    Bob (9af831)

  104. Correct me if I am wrong but I suspect robbing a store with a real gun is more problematic than a fake one,

    Amirite?

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  105. Correct me if I am wrong but I suspect robbing a store with a real gun is more problematic than a fake one,

    Did this guy ship fake gunpowder?

    nk (dbc370)

  106. 100 it is the concern of people who show less empathy for nra members then you do for these children. if you care about gun rights don’t ask others to care. your answer is we will shoot it out with the gun grabbers and they will say good riddance and you won’t be adding to global warming like david karresh.

    lany (5ac10f)

  107. Correct me if I am wrong but I suspect robbing a store with a real gun is more problematic than a fake one

    You’re wrong. McLaughlin v. United States

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (ccf592)

  108. How did a homeless guy get these addresses?

    He didn’t.

    He tried to mail John Brennan’s bomb to CNN.

    Another bomb was returned to DWS for having an invalid address.

    How did a broke homeless guy pay for all this?

    A few feet of PVC pipe and some firecrackers?

    Why would a CNN employee calmly stage a photo of a pipe bomb?

    So it’s your contention that the CNN mailroom employee who opened it was in on the conspiracy?

    How do you know they were calm?

    How long does it take to snap a picture with a cellphone?

    How do you know they knew it was a bomb when they photographed it?

    All the delivery logistics and missing mail stamps.

    Not clear what you’re talking about, but there’s an excellent chance it’s nonsense.

    Dave (9664fc)

  109. Bob, where are you getting these tin-foil hat talking points?

    Dave (9664fc)

  110. And I think that some part of California (the city of Los Angeles for example) are talking about moving civic elections so that they correspond with federal elections.

    They already did this, by plebicite, and instead of reducing terms by 6 months, they extended them by 1 1/2 years. Now, they are going back to voters and correcting a mistake: they forgot to have city primaries track state primaries and the state moved theirs to March (now that there is a Dem contest in 2020).

    Kevin M (a57144)

  111. “Bob, where are you getting these tin-foil hat talking points?”
    Dave (9664fc) — 10/27/2018 @ 9:07 pm

    Yeah, sounds whacky. Not quite Trump-Russia-collusion whacky, but still whacky.

    Munroe (ab58ce)

  112. Trump did tone it down tonight, but it was at a rally in southern Illinois where he snubbed the underwater RINO Gov, so it is the political equivalent of a tree falling in the forest.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  113. Trump was out of line criticizing Roberts for pulling his starter.

    mg (9e54f8)

  114. If the Synagogue was in Israel…
    Only the shooter dies.

    mg (9e54f8)

  115. Not quite Trump-Russia-collusion whacky, but still whacky.

    Yep, inviting officials and representatives of the Russian government to covertly provide illegal services to your presidential campaign is pretty wacky alright.

    ————————————-
    To: Donald Trump, Jr.
    Date: June 3, 2016

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.
    […]
    ————————————-

    From: Donald Trump, Jr.
    Date: June 3, 2016

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.

    Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
    ————————————

    To: Donald Trump, Jr.
    Date: June 7, 2016

    Don

    Hope all is well

    Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

    I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

    I assume it would be at your office.
    ——————————-

    From: Donald Trump, Jr.
    Date: June 7, 2016

    Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me, 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.
    ——————————-

    Dave (9664fc)

  116. If the Synagogue was in Israel…
    Only the shooter dies.

    Except that is complete horsepucky.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (744849)

  117. Ive been told many more armed personnel in the last few years. Quite a few are women.

    mg (9e54f8)

  118. You might have heard that, but it isn’t true. Firearms ownership and carry permits are exponentially easier to get in the US.

    Israelis are well-armed, of course, but any similarity to conservative Americans masks a fundamental difference: In Israel, guns are tightly controlled and carefully tracked by the state.

    Israelis must meet a detailed list of criteria (Hebrew link) to be allowed to own a firearm. They must ask the state for a license, are permitted only one gun at a time, and must even ask for permission to sell their gun. And the Firearms Licensing Department is no rubber stamp: Roughly 40 percent of requests are rejected.

    Indeed, before even requesting a license, Israelis must meet minimum age requirements, be in good health and of sound mind, and have no criminal record, among other preconditions.

    There’s more. Once they are granted the right to carry a gun, Israelis are limited to just 50 bullets in their possession at any given time. They must shoot or return old bullets before they can buy new ones, a process that can only take place at tightly regulated shooting ranges where each bullet’s sale is carefully registered. The types of guns permitted also depend on the reason for the license – i.e., a veterinarian may only purchase a gun approved by the government for the killing of animals, a hunter’s license only permits the purchase of a firearm from an approved firearms list kept by the Parks Authority, and so forth.

    In other words, as the Public Security Ministry explains on its website, Israeli law “does not recognize a right to bear arms, and anyone wanting to do so must meet a number of requirements, including a justified need to carry a firearm.” There is no inkling of a belief among Israelis that citizens should be permitted to own guns as a check on government power — that is, as a limit to the sovereignty of the state expressed in its monopoly on violence.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (744849)

  119. What list is an Uzi on? Guns suitable for shooting bad guys? Or are you going to tell me that possession of automatic weapons is forbidden when we all have seen pictures of civilians brandishing them?

    Kevin M (a57144)

  120. What list is an Uzi on? Guns suitable for shooting bad guys? Or are you going to tell me that possession of automatic weapons is forbidden when we all have seen pictures of civilians brandishing them?

    Just guessing but:

    1) Hired security guards
    2) Plain-clothes police
    3) Military reserves (not sure about Israel, but in Switzerland military reserves keep their personal arms at home)
    4) Settlers on the West Bank may have a stronger claim than those in Israel itself

    Dave (9664fc)

  121. One obvious reason for Israel’s strict gun laws is that about 20% of the population (inside the borders Israel claims) is Arab, and under Israeli law Arab citizens have the same civil rights as Jews, at least in principle. Any right to bear arms would therefore extend to them.

    Dave (9664fc)

  122. No one in Israel has the right to bear arms. It is a privilege granted by the state. 170k people are licensed, half are security workers. All licensees are required to have extensive training to get a license, most citizens have performed their military service, which is mandatory with few exceptions. It is vastly different than the US.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  123. I dont blame Trump for being mad at Dave Roberts. A Dodgers celebratory riot is like a pop-up Caravan, but now much less chance of that.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  124. mr. trump the president always has his priorities straight and knows what the american people really care about and that’s what makes him such a great president

    nk (dbc370)

  125. Because they came from a different culture, but the haganah as a formative institution,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  126. This shooter did not target this synagogue only because he hates Jews. This man hates immigrants, he targeted these Jews because they were — or he thought they were — helping immigrants. Worth mentioning, because in the post and 129 comments it hasn’t been mentioned.

    JRH (f51cae)

  127. He targeted a synagogue, because of his particular animus against Jews, he made it a point to say trump was too sympathetic.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  128. Because it is a militarized police state, operating under wartime law for all its history.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. True but it’s as much a cultural thing, as well as law.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  130. Yes, it was founded by Eastern European socialists and Eastern European-descended American socialists, but we don’t talk about that. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  131. Nonetheless the bulk of the population was sephardim that took their lumps over 2,5 millennia in successive Roman, Byzantine then Ottoman territory.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  132. All I know is what friends in the IDF have said. They also told me armed guards have increased at all schools.

    mg (536c95)

  133. The Pittsburgh police response is encouraging. They did not seem to hesitate the way some police have in similar situations. But there is no way they could respond as quickly as armed security on site.

    DRJ (15874d)

  134. We saw the van!!! Is the extent of thinking.

    Except for the fingerprint and DNA evidence. And it was the Trump-appointed FBI Director who said “these are not hoax devices”. The criminal history and pro-Trump bumper stickers filled out the picture.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  135. Anybody who says that Trump’s election did not bring these cockroaches out from under their rocks and embolden them to carry out their fantasies, is either lying to himself or to us.

    nk (dbc370)

  136. But I have come to the conclusion that I am not going to abandon the Republican Party to the Trumpkin virus. On the contrary, I will do my part to strengthen it so it will fight off, and recover from, the infection.

    nk (dbc370)

  137. If the blue wave doesn’t turn out to be as big as hoped, it will be because the electorate loves them their pipe bombs and body slams.

    Munroe (d399a1)

  138. “Based on the early evidence, the shooter was not only consumed with a hatred of Jews but possessed a kind of sneering contempt for Trump on the grounds that Trump was basically a Jewish agent or a Jew-lover himself. Trump can only be blamed for the murderous Jew-killing actions of someone who thought of him that way by people who are so consumed by hatred of him that there is nothing they won’t blame him for.”

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/the-slaughter-in-pittsburgh/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. Well said, Ms. Weiss.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  140. On the contrary, I will do my part to strengthen it so it will fight off, and recover from, the infection.

    This is why I decided to return to the GOP after a 5-year hiatus. Prior to that, I was in the party for 33 years. Better to try to effect change from within.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  141. “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? That should be the Democrats’ midterm motto.

    Brett Kavanaugh appeared to be a modest, self-effacing family man with a lovely wife and two daughters. He’d devoted his career to the law and taught at Yale where he had earned the respect of colleagues. But really, he’s an especially promiscuous satyr who had somehow managed to avoid detection for decades. So committed was he to his disguise that he managed to live his entire adult life as a model of personal piety and family devotion.

    Then there is Trump’s war on the media that makes it unsafe to be a journalist in America. How do we know this? Because these intrepid journalists brave their way to the studios of CNN and MSNBC to tell us about how repressed they are. They tell us about the unprecedented violence brought on by President Trump’s incendiary language. For most of this week, the media couldn’t find time to talk about how the Senate Judiciary Committee referred creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti and his client Julie Swetnick to the Justice Department for criminal investigation for lying to Congress about Kavanaugh.

    They couldn’t be bothered to cover the House interview with George Papadopoulos which Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said showed “the blatant double standard for the politically connected” like Andrew McCabe, who lied to the FBI and not only walked free but got a full pension. Nor was there any interest in new polls showing Republicans gaining ground in congressional races across the country.

    A few weeks before an election that should be big news. But it wasn’t. Instead there was wall to wall coverage of a dozen packages sent to prominent Democrats containing devices that look like a particularly inept third grader’s approximation of a bomb. Not even the recipients thought they were in danger as evidenced by the fact that the folks at CNN took the time to unwrap theirs and lay it out on the counter in the office kitchen, photograph it, and send some indignant tweets about it, before going outside and telling each other how brave they were.

    In the meantime though there has been a rash of political violence. Against Republicans. Kellen Michael Sorber has been charged with setting fire to the Albany County Republican headquarters in September. On October 11, the windows of the Metropolitan Republican Club in New York City were smashed and a message was left stating, “Our attack is merely a beginning.” The Nebraska Republican Party’s headquarters had their windows smashed and “Abolish ICE” was spray painted on the wall [say when]. The windows at House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield office were also broken.

    Then there are the physical attacks on people. Last month, a knife-wielding man named Farzad Fazeli attacked San Francisco Bay Area Republican Rudy Peters, who is challenging Eric Swalwell, one of the most leftist members of Congress. According to reports, Fazeli charged at Peters with a switchblade while yelling, “F— Trump! F— Trump!” Wilfred Michael Stark, a progressive activist who works for David Brock’s American Bridge 21st Century, seems to like assaulting Republicans. His most recent arrest charges him with assaulting Kristin Davison, the manager of Adam Laxalt’s gubernatorial campaign by “trapping” her in a doorway and twisting her arm behind her back and squeezing it so hard she screamed in pain.

    We shouldn’t be surprised. Hillary Clinton said on October 9th that you “can’t be civil with (Republicans)”, who she calls “deplorables.” This gave Democrats trying to win elections some heartburn, but it’s nothing new. Obama told Democrats to find Republicans and “argue with them and get in their face,” that if their political opponents bring a knife to a fight they should bring a gun, and that he’s looking for “whose ass to kick.” Maxine Waters told her supporters that when they see Republicans they should “create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” You know intimidate people you don’t like with the threat of mob violence.”

    Read it all…

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/26/the-real-news-the-media-ignored-this-week/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. No one in Israel has the right to bear arms. It is a privilege granted by the state

    To those it finds politically reliable, not doubt. Arab citizens need not apply.

    We used to have a system like this in this country. Under the “organized militia” interpretation, only those directly serving the state could have weapons. While most any white man could get “militia” status, blacks could not, so they couldn’t have guns.

    This is what you want to offer as a model?

    Kevin M (a57144)

  143. On the contrary, I will do my part to strengthen it so it will fight off, and recover from, the infection.

    This is why I decided to return to the GOP after a 5-year hiatus. Prior to that, I was in the party for 33 years. Better to try to effect change from within.

    #complicit

    Dave (9664fc)

  144. I dont blame Trump for being mad at Dave Roberts

    I’M mad at Dave Roberts. Not just for pulling Hill before he had to, but for his general numbers-driven robo-managing. Why he thinks a right-handed mediocrity should start instead of a left-handed all-star just because the starting pitcher is left-handed is beyond me.

    Stats are very tricky things, and it takes some deep understanding of math to use them right. I nearly choked every time the announcers talked about how most of the Sox runs came with 2 outs. As if the number of runners was uncoupled to the number of outs. The statistic they quote is likely true of many teams.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  145. This is what you want to offer as a model?

    He wasn’t offering any model.

    It was suggested that Israelis are so armed to the teeth that a synagogue shooting could not have succeeded in Israel.

    Dave (9664fc)

  146. They have a system where they tell so many reservists, every so often, on some kind of rotation, to stick close their guns, so you see girls in bikinis on the beach, or at Starbucks, or going out a date with their boyfriends, carrying M-16s, and it makes for cool photos to post on the internet.

    nk (dbc370)

  147. Media double standard in two headlines.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/erichartmane/status/1056539622321373185

    harkin (ef2377)

  148. Some of them are even Wonder Woman in disguise…

    Dave (9664fc)

  149. And harkin, those two headlines are examples of why Trump uses Satan’s Tool – the Devil’s Dandruff – to push back against the dishonest, corrupt media. And why his supporters usually appreciate him doing so.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. This is what you want to offer as a model?

    No, since that is not what I said, but thanks for making that up. Someone was saying wouldn’t happen in Israel, does. People have the right to bear arms in Israel, nope. More security at schools and churches, Nope, my sister has been a teacher in Tel Aviv for 22 years, no difference in the last 5 years, I just asked this morning.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (78d383)

  151. Yes we have reservations about how adequate mr. Wray is btw miss ioffe is all about irony posing with Richard spencer

    https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/28/straight-up-owned-mollie-hemingway-drags-washpost-for-their-infuriating-front-page-hint-blame-trump/

    Narciso (bef82a)

  152. Nothing dishonest in either headline.

    Dave (9664fc)

  153. Israel is 1/50th our size, but we could do well some of their customs yes the labor ashkenazi were replaced by the more liked sephardic the likes of Haaretz never forget that, their legal system is weaponized against Netanyahu as is some of their security service which ended up at black cube.

    Narciso (bef82a)

  154. 34 million taxpayers have given the Muellermob and the lawyers for the Russian company Concord is making a mockery of Mueller and his mobsters. Trying to make a law that suits the agenda should be illegal.

    mg (9e54f8)

  155. Did Scalise’s shooter tweet death threats at him preceded by “Bernie Bernie Bernie”?

    Did he have an image of Scalise in cross-hairs surrounded by cultist photos of Sanders pasted onto the van where he lived?

    Dave (9664fc)

  156. President Babyman yesterday…

    I remember when we had the attack in Manhattan, we opened the stock exchange the next day. People were shocked. With what happened early today, that horrible, horrible attack in Pittsburgh, I was saying maybe I should cancel both this and that. And then I said to myself, I remembered Dick Russell, a friend of mine, great guy, he headed up the New York Stock Exchange on September 11th, and the New York Stock Exchange was open the following day. He said — and what they had to do to open it you wouldn’t believe, we won’t even talk to you about it. But he got that exchange open. We can’t make these sick, demented, evil people important.

    Uhhh…No, opened a week later 9/17/01, Dick Russel was a racist segregationist, the person he was talking about, his good friend, was Dick Grasso.

    Remember the teams, the Yankees, George Steinbrenner. He said we have got to play, even if nobody comes, nobody shows up, we have got to play

    MMmmm…Baseball was also canceled for the week, also starting on the 17th.

    If you wanted to to do your rallies, Spanky, just admit it. Why lie about something so simple, oh yeah, it’s just what we do now.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (78d383)

  157. Mueller has already paid for more than double his budget to date with the asset seizure from Manafort. Unlike Spanky, Mueller is reducing the budget deficit.

    When he takes down the Trump crime family, he may put a noticeable dent in national debt… :)

    Dave (9664fc)


  158. “Wednesday, 66-year-old James Hodgkinson sprayed bullets on a baseball field outside of Washington, D.C., where Republican Capitol Hill staffers and GOP Rep. Steve Scalise were practicing.

    As of Friday, Scalise, the House majority whip, remained in critical condition after taking a shot to the hip. Four others were also injured.

    Hodgkinson was a Bernie Sanders supporter who hated Trump, as his comments on social media showed.

    But in the face of all evidence that Hodgkinson was a Democrat animated to go on a shooting rampage by his own political frustrations, New York Times political reporter Glenn Thrush looked to Trump.

    “Any debate about civility in politics begins with Trump,” he said Thursday on Twitter. “No one has degraded discourse more, while embracing the fringe.”

    Whatever “fringe” Trump appealed to, none of them have picked up an assault rifle to gun down a congressman.

    That was a Bernie Bro.

    In an effort to even the score between the GOP and Democrats, The New York Times editorial board chocked the incident up to “vicious American politics” and repeated the false claim that “the link to political incitement was clear” between 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and the 2011 shooting of then-Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

    The paper later removed that part from its editorial, admitting that there was “no such link.”

    Hodgkinson’s Facebook page showed that he belonged to the groups “Terminate the Republican Party” and “The Road to Hell is Paved with Republicans.” One note on his Facebook said, “It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.”

    But a bemused editorial in the Washington Post asked, “Who knows what mixture of madness and circumstance causes someone to pick up a gun and go on a rampage?”

    The Washington Post then helped spread responsibility for the tragedy among everyone, saying that it should “cause a gut check about what passes for political discourse in this country.”

    Hodgkinson was a partisan Democrat. Before his shooting spree, he asked Reps. Ron DeSantis and Jeff Duncan as they left the field early whether it was Republicans or Democrats practicing.

    But a willfully-clueless Scott Pelley of the CBS “Evening News” ended his Thursday night program decrying unspecified “leaders and political commentators who set an example” for having “led us into an abyss of violent rhetoric.”

    When an outspoken Democratic voter opens fire on a group of Republicans practicing baseball, the media blame everyone. Or just Trump.

    It’s the same thing they did during the 2016 campaign.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/james-hodgkinson-was-a-democrat-but-the-media-want-both-sides-to-claim-him

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  159. ‘Did Scalise’s shooter tweet death threats at him preceded by “Bernie Bernie Bernie”?’
    Dave (9664fc) — 10/28/2018 @ 9:57 am

    Because when you actually work on Bernie’s campaign, as Hodgkinson did, I guess that’s a safe notch below “cultist” following.

    And, actually bringing Scalise and others a whisker away from death is safely removed from “tweeting death threats.”

    Munroe (b6b8d2)

  160. It doesn’t require stickers all over a van that a crazy lives in down by the river to qualify as an obsessed psychopath. Obsession exhibited in an unusually focused way, day after day, week after week, month after month is more than half the way there.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. And that he was in communication with Durbin and Duckworth, what did he tell them, what did they tell him.

    Narciso (e722bc)

  162. I remember when …

    Remember the teams …

    This is what people voted for:

    “I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down.”
    – Donald Trump, November 21, 2015

    When confronted with the facts the next day, he simply denied them.

    He pretty much has one play in the playbook:

    1) Say whatever he thinks will help him at the moment, with no regard whatsoever for its veracity.

    2) When confronted with the truth, throw fecal matter at the media for doing their jobs and whine about how unfairly he is treated.

    3) Watch approvingly as his cultists to make fools of themselves defending the indefensible.

    Dave (9664fc)

  163. Years of anti-Semitic rhetoric from the Left may have been a contributing factor…

    https://lidblog.com/obama-incite-pittsburgh/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  164. Except what the reporter wrote himself when he was working for the Washington post, what Howard stern was hearing from other sources.

    Narciso (e722bc)

  165. Except what the reporter wrote himself when he was working for the Washington post, what Howard stern was hearing from other sources.

    Except T-Rump didn’t claim it was an article, now did he? I get that you feelz that he’s the bestest mostest honest boy, but he happens to tell lies when he talks, a lot.

    “It was on television. I saw it,” Trump said. “It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (78d383)

  166. All of the (unconfirmed) reports of Muslims in NJ celebrating on 9/11:

    1) Did not occur in Jersey City
    2) Were not televised
    3) Allegedly involved around half a dozen people, not “thousands and thousands”

    Dave (9664fc)

  167. @ nk, who wrote (#):

    I have come to the conclusion that I am not going to abandon the Republican Party to the Trumpkin virus. On the contrary, I will do my part to strengthen it so it will fight off, and recover from, the infection.

    Ditto this. I’m going to outlast the son of a bitch; that’s been my conviction since the day he secured enough primary delegates to win the nomination in 2016.

    He’s like the USFL — novel, but not likely to last for many seasons.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  168. Heed Big Kev’s warning… https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/rage-makes-you-stupid/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  169. The NY Times is blaming popular anger at the news media on Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/business/media/trumps-attacks-news-media.html

    Kevin M (a57144)

  170. @167

    Hmm, yes, “Years of anti-Semitic rhetoric from the Left” prompted a right-wing attack on a synagogue. The top minds at “lidblog” have truly cracked the case.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  171. While most any white man could get “militia” status, blacks could not, so they couldn’t have guns.

    Prior to the Civil War, southern blacks who were the personal property of southern whites had no rights, let alone the right to bear arms. Even free blacks didn’t have civil rights, and that situation wasn’t rectified until after the Civil War. It was generally understood that any white citizen had the individual right to carry a gun.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  172. #complicit

    Explain.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  173. 72. JVW (42615e) — 10/27/2018 @ 2:10 pm

    And so on, and so on, up until the user has been taught how government at all levels works.

    You mean how it theoretically works, and might if there were no political parties or interest groups.

    Most politicians have no interest in educating people because they like to run on issues they can do nothing about directly.

    The big thing wrong with that pothole letter is that it was not really the truth – more money for rods probably would not lead to more money to fix potholes, and the bill probably either was sure to pass or not pass in any case.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  174. Climate change: some vessels flee the storm, some stay anchored; still others break loose from their moorings.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  175. Trump’s frst recatin was this was a violent world and the synagigue maybe should have ahd armed guards. The reaction of New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and otehrs is probably correect – and when you mention giardss that could also be police – this is no way to go.

    BTW:

    It might have been enough to lock the synagogue, but this was the Shabbos, and besides people would have been arriving irregularly. That synagogue required someone to ruing a bell other tiems.

    Locking a church worked last Wednesday in the Louisville, Kentucky, suburb of Jeffersontown. gthe gunman tried to get in, knocking and banging and pulling on the door, but he couldn;t/

    So he went to nearby Kroger’s grocery store and shot dead two black grocery store customers.

    Also Dylan Roof originally wanted to attack acolllege but changed his mind becasue someone there might be armed.

    Is it a solution to divert a gunman to another target?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  176. This synagogue had actually attracted the attention of Homeland Security as apossible target and they did a review in March.

    https://www.foxnews.com/shows/fox-news-sunday

    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen confirms DHS officials conducted a site visit of the Tree of Life synagogue to support the community’s protection efforts

    Exact words:

    https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/secretary-nielsen-on-synagogue-attack-pipe-bomb-arrest

    WALLACE: I understand that, in fact, DHS officials had been in this synagogue recently?

    NIELSEN: Yes. As recently as March, we actually conducted a site visit there with our protective security advisor in the area. This is something we often do.

    WALLACE: And what’s the advice, how to handle an active shooter? Somebody comes in to a service in a synagogue, what can you do?

    NIELSEN: Well each individual location, each individual event is slightly different and that’s why the planning and the training is so important. In such events, there is rarely time to think through roles and responsibilities, the response has got to be automatic and that’s where the drills and the workshops that we conduct come in.

    We’ve trained over 900,000 officials throughout the country. We will continue to do that. In some cases, the advice is to shelter in place, to some is to orderly evacuate, it depends on the circumstances but you should always listen to the individuals they are in charge who will direct you.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  177. gab is being shutdown. I beleve in free speech not censorship ;but something has to be done about these racist gun nuts. we are not going to ban guns so what can be done? as for armed guard that is the first one they will shoot.

    lany (6a1a82)

  178. Explain.

    Humor.

    Although I do think if you remain in the Republican Party led by Donald Trump, you are expressing (at best) implicit tolerance for his countless immoral and indefensible actions. To which my conscience says “No. In fact, #$%@ no!”

    That’s why I left and won’t be back until he’s gone.

    As a practical matter, unless you are a party apparatchik, there is no advantage to remaining a member.

    Dave (9664fc)

  179. You live In practically a one party state, Dan, that’s like the Steinem line about fish.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  180. Trump’s predecessor is quite a piece of work…

    “Beginning with his first campaign for president, Obama surrounded himself with anti-Semites like General Merrel McPeak. McPeak was the 2008 Obama for President Co-Chair who had an impressive resume of blaming our foreign policy on the “Jewish Lobby,” Perhaps the best example of McPeak’s Antisemitism was when he was asked during an interview why there isn’t peace in the Middle East, and he said, “New York City. Miami. We have a large vote — vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it.” (in other words, those pesky Jews, who control America’s policy on the Middle East).
    One of his first presidential appointments was the anti-Semitic Chas Freeman who blamed his resignation on the evil Israel lobby (a nicer way of saying Jewish lobby). Actually, Chas, it was a lot less than an evil Israel lobby, much of it was the work of a few Jewish bloggers — one of whom was named The Lid.

    Obama denied Jewish ties to the Land of Israel in his 2009 Cairo speech, saying Israel was created only because people felt guilty about the Holocaust.

    America’s strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied. Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and Antisemitsm in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today.

    Obama’s first Presidential Medal of Freedom honorees was Bishop Desmond Tutu and Mary Robinson. The friendliest thing Bishop Desmond Tutu ever said about Jews was “People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful.” He also once said, that “the Jews thought they had a monopoly on God.”

    Tutu’s co-honoree Mary Robinson presided over the “World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance” that turned into a non-stop hate-fest against Jews and Israel. The conference was so anti-Semitic that Colin Powell, the Secretary of State at the time, walked out.

    During his presidency, Obama allied himself with Al Sharpton who was a leader of the anti-Semitic pogrom in Crown Heights and incited the anti-Semitic firebombing of Freddy’s Fashion Mart in Harlem. He sent his closest adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to keynote an anti-Semitic ISNA conference whose discussions included: how key Obama aides are “Israeli,” proving Jews “have control of the world,” or how the Holocaust is the punishment of Jews for being “serially disobedient to Allah.”

    In 2010 Obama’s National Security Adviser, Gen. Jim Jones gave the keynote speech at a Washington Institute For Near East Policy and started it out with an anti-Semitic “joke,” teaching the crowd that Jews are just greedy merchants in the same vein as Shakespeare’s Shylock.

    He sent one of his closest advisers Valarie Jarrett to be the keynote speaker at a conference for the Muslim Brotherhood-associated ISNA, other topics at the meeting included Jews “have control of the world, and the Holocaust as punishment of Jews for being “serially disobedient to Allah.

    For his second Secretary of Defense Obama appointed Chuck Hagel who believed in the nefarious “worldwide Jewish conspiracy.” Hagel was once quoted as saying “The political reality is that…the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here.”

    Obama once called Zbigniew Brzezinski someone I have learned an immense amount from”, and “one of our most outstanding scholars and thinkers. Back in back in 2007, Brzezinski schooled the future president on foreign policy. The former National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter is a Judeophobic conspiracy theorist, who believes the Jews control U.S foreign policy and Congress.

    Of the anti-Semitic Occupy Wall Street movement the President said, “We are on their side.”

    Radical Islamists attacked the Kosher supermarket Hyper-Cacher (French for Super Kosher) in Paris on a Friday afternoon. The attack happened just before the Jewish Sabbath when they knew it would be crowded with Jews. Obama first insisted it was a random act and not an anti-Semitic act. And when the world leaders came together to march in Paris as a protest against the Charlie Hebdo shooting and the anti-Semitic Hyper-Cacher attack Obama was conspicuous in his absence.
    During his last year as president, Obama’s State Department condemned Israel for allowing people to build houses on land on the western side of the Jordan River. But that’s only part of the story. The property was legally purchased in 2009 by Dr. Irving and Cherna Moskowitz from a US Presbyterian Church. There were no complaints when the Presbyterian Church owned it. Team Obama wasn’t objecting to the fact that houses were being built on that land back then. If the homes were intended for Christian or Muslim families, there would have been no issue. As it is was with so many other cases during the Obama administration, the objection was based on the fact that Jews were going to live in those buildings.”

    https://lidblog.com/obama-incite-pittsburgh/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  181. Humorless squared

    mg (9e54f8)

  182. They like to say the perpetrators hated blacks, Jews, or gays, but even though you see it in tehir social media threads, and in physical objkects, nobpdy is pointing out that they hated or feared illegal immigrants.

    The targets of the attacks were people who presumably want to tolerate illegal immigrants, and Trumps been exacerbating that. He has tried to argue that toleration means terrorism or criminals like MS-13. or impossible expenses of money.

    trum did not at all start these memes, but he capitalized on it in 2016, and the fact that nobody was willing to dispute it. And the only person in politics now willing to make a forthright argument on the other side is John Kasich.

    This all it sounds pretty existential, and the people who (silently mostly) disagree come out as evil or stupid. Sayoc blamed Democrats in general,(and he had a few other issues also) This guy Bowers blamed Jews for contriving things so that illegal immmigrants are tolerated.

    This is why this is happening now.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  183. Online thrteats against ordinary people or categorioes of people maybe ought to be treated like threats against the president or indications of suppporting ISIS.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  184. So the left wants to proscribe gab because of bower, does that mean maddow should have been shuttered after her no 1 fan, shot up that baseball field?

    Narciso (d1f714)

  185. what if everything Daddy Romney’s well-used little boytoy Paul Ryan has ever said

    turns out to be a lie

    did you ever think of that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. That’s why I left and won’t be back until he’s gone.

    Your choice, Dave, and I respect it. I’ll be working against Trump’s nomination in 2020 and won’t vote for him if he is nominated (I’ll either vote 3rd party like I did last time or write-in a more qualified Republican). The question is whether that effort is more effective outside the party than in, and I believe “in” is better in that regard.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  187. I think of him about as often as I think of Alan rocks character in ferrusbueller, his alway saying ‘that’s not who we are’ but he rarely gets around to saying what he was, a man who was beat by Joe Biden and patty Murray.

    narciso (d1f714)

  188. let my cameron go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. From Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)(some citations omitted):

    Although we agree with petitioners’ interpretive assumption that “militia” means the same thing in Article I and the Second Amendment, we believe that petitioners identify the wrong thing, namely, the organized militia. Unlike armies and navies, which Congress is given the power to create (“to raise … Armies”; “to provide … a Navy,” Art. I, § 8, cls. 12-13), the militia is assumed by Article I already to be in existence. Congress is given the power to “provide for calling forth the Militia,” § 8, cl. 15; and the power not to create, but to “organiz[e]” it—and not to organize “a” militia, which is what one would expect if the militia were to be a federal creation, but to organize “the” militia, connoting a body already in existence, ibid., cl. 16. This is fully consistent with the ordinary definition of the militia as all able-bodied men. From that pool, Congress has plenary power to organize the units that will make up an effective fighting force. That is what Congress did in the first Militia Act, which specified that “each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia.” To be sure, Congress need not conscript every able-bodied man into the militia, because nothing in Article I suggests that in exercising its power to organize, discipline, and arm the militia, Congress must focus upon the entire body. Although the militia consists of all able-bodied men, the federally organized militia may consist of a subset of them.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  190. Ditto Paul Montagu’s #192, including the respect for those with contrary positions. But as I’ve frequently argued, to our host and others similarly inclined, when you’ve declared yourself to be an outsider, you give those remaining inside the party — which is to say, who self-identify as Republicans, for there’s no membership card or dues — all the excuse many of them need to ignore everything you say. I regret that, since I agree with much of what you have to say, and wish you’d stand inside the big tent with me to say it more effectively together.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  191. I voted for guiliani, (compared to the treacherous sloth that McCain became) Gingrich over romney, and cruz over trump, do I need to point that out, apparently because one must be pigeonholed if one voted for trump, over red queen, and doesn’t fall for the latest vaporous fainting spell,

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. The question is whether that effort is more effective outside the party than in, and I believe “in” is better in that regard.

    With all due respect, I’m not sure that’s “the question”.

    The first question to answer seems to me: what’s right?

    Tolerating evil because it’s politically effective or expedient in the short-term looks perilously similar to the Faustian bargain Trump’s supporters have made.

    Dave (9664fc)

  193. When Trump is gone, through whatever mechanism and whenever it happens, most of the clown cars will all sputter to a stop and this protectionist/tariffs nonsense will resume its position as an out-of-power Buchanan-like fringe of the larger GOP. A sane and fit successor can undo that, and preserve and build upon his handful of genuinely salutary activities (judicial appointments, cutting regulations), and try to create the necessarily larger and more broad-based majority that will be needed for the problems that Trump is either kicking down the road or aggravating (entitlements, Korea, etc.).

    There’s a baby in that bathwater. I just want to remove the turd and the bathwater floating it, and replace it with clean water that will accomplish the task of cleaning the baby.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  194. Dave, I just voted for a whole slate (with one exception) of GOP candidates, none of whom was Donald Trump, and none of which made me feel like I’ve tolerated evil or otherwise made a Faustian bargain. Your brush is too broad, sir.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  195. But as I’ve frequently argued, to our host and others similarly inclined, when you’ve declared yourself to be an outsider, you give those remaining inside the party — which is to say, who self-identify as Republicans, for there’s no membership card or dues — all the excuse many of them need to ignore everything you say.

    Your point is reasonable, Beldar, but judging people based on the labels they affix to themselves (rather than the quality and truthfulness of their arguments) seems like a major contributing factor to the mess we currently find ourselves in.

    Dave (9664fc)

  196. Your brush is too broad, sir.

    Not so, Master Secretary!

    I was referring to party membership/registration, which is a voluntary choice to formally associate oneself with an organization as one of its members.

    Voting for individual Republican candidates does not require party membership.

    Dave (9664fc)

  197. There is a reason why this is happening now:

    “BLEXIT
    I have returned from Turning Point USA’s Young Black Leadership Summit, the first part of which I wrote about here, including our visit to the White House. A highlight of the second half of the event was the announcement of “Blexit,” a new project spearheaded by Candace Owens.

    What is Blexit?

    BLEXIT is a frequency for those who have released themselves from the political orthodoxy. It is a rebellion led by Americans wishing to disrupt the simulation of fear.

    BLEXIT is a renaissance. It is our formal declaration of independence.

    You can read about it here. Candace and the rest of the crew are planning to criss-cross the United States, holding Blexit rallies in all major cities.

    This is, of course, the Left’s nightmare: African-Americans declaring independence from liberalism, the welfare state and the Democratic Party. And the current generation of fiery, smart young black leaders can, I think, make it happen in sufficient numbers to be a political earthquake.

    The announcement of Blexit took place in an auditorium where everyone present got a free Blexit t-shirt. It is the only article of clothing I own, or am ever likely to own, that was designed by Kanye West:

    America’s 21st century black liberation movement is important. We will continue to follow it with great interest.”

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/10/blexit.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. Tolerating evil because it’s politically effective or expedient in the short-term looks perilously similar to the Faustian bargain Trump’s supporters have made.

    I don’t call it “tolerating evil” because it shouldn’t matter whether I fight against “evil” inside or outside a political party. My positions against Trump are no different after rejoining the GOP, and I think that’s exactly the question, which is: Where’s the better place to fight.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  199. The time is now to open the tent to those who have – at best – been paid lip-service by the politicians who talked a good game but never managed to deliver much of anything at all. Let others play the Goldilocks game… it’s on.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  200. I am of course horrified and disgusted by this atrocity. The effect was vompounded by the fact I was reading Leviticus. 19 I believe. “For you were once a stranger in a strange land.”

    Steve57 (7e5c1e)

  201. I was reading the Bible because some fool on CNN was misquoting it r.e. the “caravan.” The sojourner who wishes to dwell among you must agree to obey your laws. The horde heading our way have advertised they intend to defecate on our laws and very sovereignty.

    Steve57 (7e5c1e)

  202. Because that passage is the only one they know. Others they’ve heard but not understood.

    narciso (d1f714)

  203. I was referring to party membership/registration, which is a voluntary choice to formally associate oneself with an organization as one of its members.

    Voting for individual Republican candidates does not require party membership.

    Membership has nothing to do with registration, even in states that require registration. One may consider oneself a Republican regardless of registration, and regardless in fact of actual voting record.

    But when one announces to the world, “I disclaim membership,” everything else one says will thereafter be considered by members as coming from a non-member. One forfeits some amount of persuasive power — and for nothing meaningful in return, except for whatever satisfaction you’ve gotten from proclaiming yourself as a non-member, and I suggest that even that is illusory and of little value, especially if one considers the hypothetical one other voter whom one might have persuaded (thereby doubling your one’s vote), if only one hadn’t gone to the trouble to alienate him first by proclaiming yourself as someone who rejects the affiliation he claims.

    You’ve told the world that the GOP must reform itself without your help. Okay, what exactly does that do for you? More importantly, does it make the reform more or less likely?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  204. I suppose one could, in theory, renounce one’s membership in the GOP and devote oneself to persuading other non-GOP members to vote for the GOP candidates. That might help get GOP candidates elected. It won’t help with reforming the GOP, or even influencing its movement (e.g., helping restrain a rush to protectionism).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  205. Wow, looking around what used to be the non-fever swamp after football, and the revisionist history of Nazi’s, the Klan, and neo-Nazi’s is rampant. Nazi’s were extreme liberals, they weren’t. Hitler was pro-socialism, Marxism, and communism, he wasn’t. It’s like Mein Kampf, the actual documents of the Nazi party, David Duke, etc, just don’t exist, and I’m not talking about stormfront or infowars, I don’t want any of that to stick to my eyeballs.

    Yeah, I know, holocaust deniers are a thing, but it’s still sad. RedStreif and Erik Erickson’s site used to be at least somewhat reality-based, but that ship has sailed.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (abc493)

  206. Ah the esser wing of the sa did believe in nationalization of industry, now Thomas dixon the author of what would become birth of a nation wasn’t politically on the right, his pal Woodrow Wilson who instituted him crow in DC, the reason why the battles between the former faction and the communists were so brutal is because neither believed in civil liberties

    Narciso (d1f714)

  207. But when one announces to the world, “I disclaim membership,” everything else one says will thereafter be considered by members as coming from a non-member. One forfeits some amount of persuasive power — and for nothing meaningful in return, except for whatever satisfaction you’ve gotten from proclaiming yourself as a non-member, and I suggest that even that is illusory and of little value, especially if one considers the hypothetical one other voter whom one might have persuaded (thereby doubling your one’s vote), if only one hadn’t gone to the trouble to alienate him first by proclaiming yourself as someone who rejects the affiliation he claims.

    To be clear, I did not make my decision based on any calculation about how others (of whatever political stripe) would react to it. I made it because Donald Trump is an evil, wicked man, and I refuse to be associated with him in any way.

    Nevertheless, the universe of hypothetical possibilities is not limited to the single scenario you focus on. I might just as easily convince someone to oppose Trump thanks to credibility gained by disassociating myself from him. While that same person, hearing your arguments, might find them unpersuasive or insincere because you did not.

    Further, the people who need convincing are not just Republicans, but pro-Trump Republicans. Which I am not, and you, too, are not. Why can’t I turn your argument around and insist that full-throated support for Donald Trump is the only way to effect reform, since otherwise his partisans will “tune you out” as a heretic, just as you predict the whole party will do to me?

    You’ve told the world that the GOP must reform itself without your help. Okay, what exactly does that do for you? More importantly, does it make the reform more or less likely?

    I would say my personal decision to leave the GOP will no effect whatsoever on the likelihood of reform (i.e. rejecting Trump). I did everything within my very limited means to prevent Donald Trump from winning the nomination in 2016. He still won. I will do the same to oppose him in the future. I don’t kid myself that I am capable of tipping the scales. If a lot more people had followed my example back in 2016, it might be a different story, but it’s too late now.

    Dave (9664fc)

  208. Well for the life of me, I don’t understand what was the strategy if Cruz was to be the challenger to the establishment wing, then a group of senators of that bloc should have willing to endorse, I have my pet theories who prevented this.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  209. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/28/2018 @ 3:00 pm Thanks for that link. I like the Blexit.

    felipe (023cc9)

  210. You are most welcome, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  211. It’ll be good to get some fresh blood in the Republican party, felipe.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  212. Dave, you’ve bought into a premise that’s wrong: The Republican Party is not identical to Donald Trump. He is, at most, its highest ranking official at the present time, and even that is term-limited (with a number of other possibilities that might cut short his tenure). And the Republican Party is about much more than just the POTUS, as the current midterm elections establish. And in my state, in fact, the last time Trump ran against another Republican, he lost by an embarrassingly large margin.

    Your brush is too broad, in my humble and respectful opinion.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  213. Trump thinks the Republican Party is all about him, but he thinks everything is all about him. Don’t be like Trump. 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  214. Pat, I seem to hav slipped between the cracks.

    Steve57 (db2c5a)

  215. I am, likke Ellizabeth Warren,roaming the plains. Unchecked.

    Steve57 (db2c5a)

  216. Dave, you’ve bought into a premise that’s wrong: The Republican Party is not identical to Donald Trump.

    I never suggested that premise.

    To attempt an analogy, the fact that Donald Trump is driving the bus is sufficient for me to want to get off. I don’t have to believe he is the *only* one on the bus.

    Or a more crude one: As you insist, Donald Trump is the p*ss in the soup, not the soup itself. But I’m still gonna pass on having a bowl.

    Dave (9664fc)

  217. Just the opposite

    mg (536c95)

  218. wapo exploits them dead jews even more flagrant than how CNN pimps out them gunshot babbies

    these people are really disgusting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  219. holiday in crisis (crisis crisis crisis)

    it feels like halloween fun’s all over with and it’s not even halloween yet!

    what’s to be done?

    i know!

    I’ll go get some persimmons tonight they’re finally here – got some nice hachiyas at mariano’s but let’s see what else is out there

    tonight i’m a go to the andersonville and see what i can find

    this will be festive and seasonal and should the halloween gods smile upon this endeavour we shall procure a bounty of persimmony goodness

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. this utterly useless theresa may chick looks more and more like a janet reno style alice-the-goon every time i see her

    poor lady

    but she’s rather an apt choice to represent leggy meggy’s squalid and burgeoningly fascist britain on the whirl stage

    useless and ugly

    this is great britain anymore

    oh dear god did you see that last season of woketor who

    so embarrassing and that’s even before they came out with booby doctor who

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  221. I agree with Dave. I don’t need to buy McDonalds to impact its business. Not buying impacts it, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  222. And it makes Trump supporters happy to see people like me leave, so Win-Win.

    DRJ (15874d)

  223. When it comes down to rendering aid,.or really building a defense and by that I mean going in an enthusiastic attack# I choose to be well equipped. I have my backpacking kit, my traveling kit that I keep in my truck, and my chainsawing kit that fills two Sears Craftsmen tool boxes because I wanted ti customize my first aid kit for the really serious. I can pull a trigger. Krav Maga, check. Judo and a few other of the Asian martial arts (depending on where I was stationed, and to be honest I didnt really learn much in Asia as my Senseis were looking for drinking buddies).

    Lets just say growing up in the Vietnam era and being born in a Naval hospital, and seeing the passageways lined with wheel chairs full of the terribly maimed and the horribly burned, made an impression.

    #Was TWO LEGGINGS, THE MAKING OF A CROW WARRIOR a true story or was it written by a fake Indian like the Fench recipes in POW WOW CHOW?
    The really sucky part is it is expensive to rotate my stock.

    Steve57 (8d4e68)

  224. I might have come across as if I was bragging. I am not. I have flown in SH3 Sea Kings. My squqdron nearly won Tomcat follies on the strength and truth of the smit of the All Officer,s Meeting we held in a life raft.

    But VF2 rented a tank and crushed our Sedan De Ville so we lost points.

    Essentially I live in fear. How many of you right now can honestly say you know where to buy a firefighting pump? Or do you know how to use a Pulaski? Or for that matter a torniquite?

    I can not imagine a worse feeling than watching people die and not knowing what to do or knowing but not having the tools.

    Other than getting killed myself, of course.

    Steve57 (8d4e68)

  225. Skit

    Steve57 (8d4e68)

  226. The people who are trying to tie the murders in the Pittsburgh synagogue to Republicans and/or Trump are disgusting.

    Colonel Haiku (97d6f1)

  227. Pulaski’s a road near here that’s where the bohemians go when they die

    The cemetery was established by members of Chicago’s Czech community in 1877. The community had been outraged when a Czech Catholic woman named Marie Silhanek was denied burial at several Catholic cemeteries in Chicago because she supposedly never made her Easter Duty (going to confession and Holy Communion at least once during the Easter season), which is incumbent on all Catholics, even today.

    It’s a lovely place, charmingly shambolic yet cared-for. I like to visit Mr. Polasek’s sculptures there sometimes cause of they are very lovely.

    There are two there.

    One is called Mother and it’s prominently displayed in front of their marvelously spooky crematorium. It could be tended to a bit better – there’s an overgrown tree crowding it and a flowerbed in front that adds nothing but to make it difficult to see the work as close as you’d like.

    But it’s one of his best pieces I think (a copy of which also enjoys pride-of-place at the museum in Winter Park Florida – that’s it to the left there.)

    The other is less exquisitely classical but in its way more fascinating… it’s called The Pilgrim – and what makes it so fun is – it’s given nothing in terms of situation – you have to really hunt for it –

    And when you find it, it’s unmarked, but if you know you’re looking for the likeness of a pilgrim then you definitely know this piece when you find it –

    It’s an evocative and mysterious work. Magical. She’s a woman, this pilgrim, and her face is dramatically obscured though you’re free to walk right up to her and peek under her cowl. Her eyes are shut; her face serene.

    They’ve integrated the piece such that it looks like she’s at the end of her sojourn, approaching a tomb that may or may not have any relation whatsoever to the commission.

    I’ve yet to learn very much about it at all.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  228. I just think a little perspective is in order, crazy huh.
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/bolsonaro_the_brazilians_go_all_in_for_winning.html

    Narciso (53e686)

  229. I wonder if Kanye West will be abducted and shown the Anton Cermak crypt up close.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  230. Haiku:

    There is a cottage industry in people trying to tie in to some mass murder. They lie in wait for the incident, lick their chops, and heat their takes to burning hot, when some lunatic delivers their fondest hope. They are all disgusting.

    Appalled (96665e)

  231. Oops — that was a tagging fail — I meant to say “There is a cottage industry in people trying to tie *INSERT DISFAVORED PERSON HERE* in to some mass murder.”

    I am not sure which illustrates the national sickness more. The killing, or the gleeful/faux horrified reaction to it, all mixed with 100% instant flash rage.

    Appalled (96665e)

  232. i don’t agree i think the CNN Jake Tapper fake news is trying to trigger people on purpose by doing hate-infested fake news all up in it

    CNN and wapo and the nyt etc have become really nasty and they’ve created a toxic climate of hate in which murder and violence are nurtured

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  233. plus Jack Dorsey’s “twitter” micro-blogging service (and his grungy nose ring) incite violence all day long

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  234. tell Jack Dorsey to stop inciting violence

    tell him we want our America back like it was before the twitter sewer started spewing non-stop violence and rage

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  235. #242

    Yeah, giving Trump (peace be upon him, because that really gets under his skin) that whole twitter rage thing to play with was a real bad thing, and I want America back where we just heard him on sleazy porny Howard Stern radio and National Enquirer pages, and watched him fake fire people and take Omorosa seriously. That would be America Great Again, and mo Twitter, even though I spend hours on it, and get really mad all the time.

    Appalled (96665e)

  236. If he’s doing any rallies in the South this week, will he figure it out if one of the local office holders or candidates onstage with him tells him “Bless your heart, President Trump!”.

    urbanleftbehind (b4f934)

  237. Hezbollah, the a team of terrorism, so called antifa, and Louis farrakhan what do they have in common?

    narciso (d1f714)

  238. Rage? Chickens coming home… to roost?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (97d6f1)

  239. Answer, they still have a home on Twitter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  240. jack dorsey’s twitter’s a notorious anti-jewish hate site

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. #248

    free speech is just allowing the twitter enemies of the people to spew hate so Mr. Trump (who we love with the love of a thousand crooning sirens) needs to sacrifice Twitter and hope his message has burned itself into the hearts of willing Americans who make America Great and tweet twitter’s last tweet and just end the hate. Then there will just be love in the silence of the enemies of the people.

    Appalled (96665e)

  242. The Great Uniter tweets again:

    There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame…

    ….of Anger and Outrage and we will then be able to bring all sides together in Peace and Harmony. Fake News Must End!

    Dave (9664fc)

  243. yes yes CNN Jake Tapper Fake News incites way too many violence

    people are dying and CNN won’t stop the hate

    it’s a legitimate concern

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  244. Much like rolling stone, which has its admiral ackbar issue out this week.

    So baroness tonge, I’m not making this up as a Hamas fan girl guess what her hot take is?

    Narciso (47dbe8)

  245. 247… but do they have teh blue check marks?

    Colonel Haiku (97d6f1)

  246. Yes in fact, they do.

    Narciso (47dbe8)

  247. Worrying about this is a little like worrying about an airplane crashing into your place. It is difficut to think of any last ditch protection that would not risk the perpetrator(s) harming other people, and the probability is extremely low.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  248. But if the incidence is higher, the calculation is different.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  249. MATT DRUDGE‏
    Verified account @DRUDGE

    A segment on Fox News this morning where hosts laughed and joked their way through a discussion on political impact of terror was bizarre. Not even 48 hours since blood flowed at synagogue? Check your soul in the makeup chair!

    Even Matt Drudge is disgusted with Fox News!

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  250. CNN panelist Julia Ioffe said Monday President Donald Trump has radicalized more people than the Islamic State terrorist group, also known as ISIS.

    In the wake of the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Ioffe lambasted Jewish people for supporting Trump’s decision to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to its capital, Jerusalem, and also told non-Jewish people to “shut up.” On CNN’s “The Lead” with [Tiger Beat #1 Heartthrob] Jake Tapper, Ioffe took it even further.

    “This president has radicalized so many more people than ISIS ever did,” Ioffe said.

    “It’s unconscionable for you to say that,” commentator David Urban told Ioffe.

    Ioffe defended the comment by saying Trump “winks and nods” to white nationalists.

    Urban was astounded Tapper did not push back on Ioffe’s claim.

    “For you not to push back on that—for her to say, the president of the United States has radicalized more people than ISIS is irresponsible,” Urban said.

    Tapper refused to challenge the claim, saying Urban simply disagreed. Ioffe stuck by it.

    “I think the president has far more supporters who espouse an equally hateful ideology,” Ioffe said.

    Former campaign aide for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) Symone Sanders sided with Ioffe, saying Trump associates himself with white nationalists and neo-Nazis.

    After publication of this story, Tapper noted that “the Republican National Committee is jumping on your comments,” to which Ioffe responded that “this has been a very emotional and personally painful time for me. I think I exaggerated and I apologize for that.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuchWK4MyQ

    Colonel Haiku (97d6f1)

  251. The Democrats are doing their damn best to normalize anti-Semitism, make no mistake: https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1056709069438963712

    Colonel Haiku (97d6f1)

  252. The Democrats are doing their damn best to normalize anti-Semitism, make no mistake:

    With Dianne Feinstein, A.G. Sulzberger, and George Soros leading the movement.

    nk (dbc370)

  253. Yes, I remember, about a year ago, when a bunch of Democrats had a march in Charlottesville and chanted “Jews will not replace us.”

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  254. I forgot Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. How could I forget Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? What an anti-Semite?

    You know, just because somebody can use Twitter, it doesn’t mean he’s anything more than a twit.

    nk (dbc370)

  255. Yes, I remember, about a year ago, when a bunch of Democrats had a march in Charlottesville and chanted “Jews will not replace us.”

    Some very fine people right there.

    Dave (9664fc)

  256. Trump said that would happen if the Republicans lost. Those people! Do they even talk to each other?

    nk (dbc370)

  257. When did a passing acquaintance with Judaism qualify one as a Jew?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  258. 1934, I believe.

    nk (dbc370)

  259. and to think he used to occupy a stool at Archie Bunkers’ Place. Never saw that one coming, I expected him to be a Robert Duvall level right wing.

    urbanleftbehind (b4f934)

  260. For some, perhaps…

    ‘Soros today recalls the German occupation of Hungary as “probably the happiest year of my life.” “For me,” he elaborates, “it was a very positive experience. It’s a strange thing because you see incredible suffering around you and the fact you are in considerable danger yourself. But you’re fourteen years old and you don’t believe that it can actually touch you. You have a belief in yourself. You have a belief in your father. It’s a very happy-making, exhilarating experience.”16 ‘

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/george-soros/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  261. Holy Warrior Howard Dean calls Trump “evil”… so much for comity…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  262. Heeeyawwwww!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  263. Judaism is not monolithic like Roman Cathilicism. There are several denominations and here’s one example in how they differ:

    At an Orthodox wedding, the bride’s mother is pregnant. At a Conservative wedding, the bride is pregnant. At a Reform wedding, the rabbi is pregnant. At a Reconstructionist wedding, the rabbi and her wife are both pregnant.

    nk (dbc370)

  264. Oh his been far left since when he played jack Bauer’s father on 24, probably even earlier,

    narciso (d1f714)

  265. “When Feinstein was first elected to the Senate in 1992, the total value of the interests that Blum held in China amounted to less than $500,000. Soon thereafter, this increased dramatically:

    ● In 1996, Newbridge Capital, the investment firm that Blum had formed two years earlier, paid $23 million for a stake in a Chinese government-owned steel enterprise, Beilong Iron & Steel Group, and also acquired large interests in the country’s top producers of soybean milk and candy.

    ● As of 1997, Newbridge Capital had two investments with partners originally from the China International Trade and Investment Corporation, a $20-billion, state-owned conglomerate that was China’s most influential financial enterprise.

    ● Newbridge Capital managing director Peter Kwok served as a consultant to a unit of the state-owned China Ocean Shipping Company, which won rights to build a $200-million cargo terminal at the site of the closed Long Beach Naval Station.

    ● Blum’s largest investment – an estimated $300-million stake in Northwest Airlines, which at that time provided the only nonstop flights from the U.S. to China – was positioned to profit mightily from China’s growth as an economic power.

    During the mid-1990s as well, Feinstein downplayed the seriousness of the brutal human-rights abuses for which the Chinese government had become infamous. “Chinese society continues to open up with looser ideological controls, freer access to outside sources of information and increased media reporting,” she wrote in 1996. In February 1997, Feinstein drew a moral equivalence between China and the U.S. by calling for the creation of a commission whose purpose would be to study “the evolution of human rights in both countries over the last 20 or 30 years,” and, in the process, “point out the success and failures [of] both Tiananmen Square and Kent State.”

    In a March 1997 news conference, Feinstein revealed that the FBI had warned her that the Chinese government might attempt to make illegal contributions to her Senate campaign fund. Only five other members of Congress receive such a warning.

    Also in the mid- to late 1990s, Blum’s Newbridge Capital firm invested more than $400 million into East Asian businesses, several of which were partly owned by, or founded by, the Chinese government. “If nothing else,” notes The Federalist, “Blum still stood to profit handsomely from management fees for these portfolios.”

    From 1997-2005, two of Blum’s companies, URS Corporation and Perini Corporation, had contracts with the U.S. Defense Department – with Feinstein’s knowledge. During those years, Feinstein lobbied Pentagon officials to support certain defense projects that already had been, or eventually would be, contracted out to the Blum companies. Between 2001 and 2005 alone, URS and Perini earned $792 million and $759 million, respectively, from military-construction and environmental-cleanup projects approved by the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee. …

    In May 2000, Feinstein lobbied in favor of the permanent normalization of U.S. trade relations with China. The subsequent passage of that measure made it possible for China to join the World Trade Organization, a move that Feinstein likewise supported. A spokesperson for Feinstein asserted that the senator’s husband, Blum, had fully divested his holdings in mainland China by 1999, but Blum in fact still owned a stake in a Newbridge Capital Asia fund that contained investments in China.

    In April 2009, the Washington Times reported that Feinstein had introduced legislation to give $25 billion in public money to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, just after the FDIC had given her husband (Blum) a lucrative contract permitting his real estate firm to sell foreclosed properties for prices higher than the industry norms. The Times noted: “Mrs. Feinstein’s intervention on behalf of the [FDIC] was unusual: the California Democrat isn’t a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments – not direct federal dollars.”

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/dianne-feinstein

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  266. “In May 2011, when President Obama’s called for Israel’s pre-1967 borders—adjusted by certain land exchanges—to serve as the geographical basis of an independent Palestinian state, Schultz said the president had merely “reiterated long-standing American foreign policy” while “demonstrat[ing] his stalwart dedication to the safety and security of our friend and ally, Israel.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, by contrast, said that Obama’s proposal, if adopted, would leave the Jewish state “indefensible,” placing its very “existence” in peril. Five months later, Schultz told an audience of mostly Jewish seniors in Coconut Vreek, Florida that certain parts of Israel are simply “not important.”

    In a June 5, 2011 interview with CNN, Schultz was asked about Republican calls for measures requiring photo identification at polling places, to cut down on voter fraud. Portraying the proposal as “very similar to a poll tax” designed to “thro[w] a barrier in the way of someone who’s trying to exercise their right to vote,” Schultz accused Republicans of wanting “to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally—and very transparently—block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote for Democratic candidates than Republican candidates.” When reporters subsequently asked Schultz to elaborate on the “Jim Crow” reference, she angrily denied ever having said it, despite video evidence of the comment.2

    In March 2012, Schultz cancelled a keynote speech she was scheduled to deliver at an April 21 fundraising banquet for a Florida-based organization known as EMERGE USA. The cancellation came shortly after a number of media sources had reported on that organization’s radical Islamist ties. Schultz’s spokesman subsequently claimed that the congresswoman had never actually agreed to appear at the event. EMERGE USA’s vice chairman, however, said that Schultz had indeed “agreed to speak at the banquet,” only to change her mind following the negative publicity.”

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/debbie-wasserman-schultz/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  267. In April 2009, the Washington Times reported that Feinstein had introduced legislation to give $25 billion in public money to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, just after the FDIC had given her husband (Blum) a lucrative contract permitting his real estate firm to sell foreclosed properties for prices higher than the industry norms.

    The contract was competitively bid, and the legislation went nowhere…

    Dave (9664fc)

  268. “It was in 1979 that Soros began testing the proverbial waters of philanthropy. Five years later he launched, in the country of his birth, the first of his many Open Society Foundations to help “build vibrant and tolerant democracies whose governments are accountable to their citizens.”[7] But it was not until 1987, the year he opened his Moscow office, that Soros began to disseminate truly large amounts of money to various groups and causes. “My spending rose from $3 million in 1987 to more than $300 million a year by 1992,” he said.[8] During this period, Soros established a series of foundations throughout Eastern Europe and Central Asia.[9] When OSF was established In 1993, it became the flagship of the Soros Foundation Network.

    Today Soros’s Open Society Foundations are active in more than 70 countries around the world.[10] OSF is chiefly devoted to injecting capital into U.S.-based groups and causes. In his book Open Society: Reforming Global Capitalism, Soros explains that the “open society” which he has consistently sought to advance by means of philanthropy, “stands for freedom, democracy, rule of law, human rights, social justice, and social responsibility as a universal idea.”[11]

    Entrusted with the task of defining the foregoing terms for OSF, and for articulating OSF’s agendas from the outset, was Aryeh Neier, whom Soros appointed to serve as president not only of OSF, but of the entire Soros Foundation Network. Thirty-four years earlier, Neier had created the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which became the largest and most important radical group of the 1960s. SDS aspired to overthrow America’s democratic institutions, remake its government in a Marxist image, and undermine the nation’s war efforts in Vietnam. (A particularly militant faction of SDS would later break away to form the Weather Underground, a notorious domestic terror organization with a Marxist-Leninist agenda.) Following his stint with SDS, Neier worked fifteen years for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)—including eight years as its national executive director. After that, he spent twelve years as executive director of Human Rights Watch (HRW), an organization he founded in 1978.[12]

    In February 2002, Soros appointed former Bill Clinton administration official Morton Halperin to the post of OSF director. Halperin, whom some State Department officials suspected of being a communist agent,[13] had been instrumental in derailing America’s war effort during the Vietnam era, when President Johnson put him in charge of compiling a classified history of U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia. Halperin’s labor ultimately bore fruit—in June 1971—with the publication of the notorious “Pentagon Papers.”[14] Thereafter, Halperin went on to serve (from 1975-1992) as director of an ACLU project called the Center for National Security Studies, which sought to slash U.S. defense expenditures and undermine the nation’s intelligence capabilities.[15] In Target America—James L. Tyson’s 1981 exposé of the Soviet Union’s elaborate “propaganda campaign designed to weaken and demoralize America from the inside”—the author stated:

    “Halperin … and his organizations have had a constant record of advocating the weakening of U.S. intelligence capabilities. His organizations are also notable for ignoring the activities of the KGB or any other foreign intelligence organization…. A balance sheet analysis of Halperin’s writings and testimonies … gives Halperin a score of 100% on the side of output favorable to the Communist line and 0% on any output opposed to the Communist line.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  269. Ah civility were going to try that out,

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Lise_Alves/status/1056699417389158400

    I didn’t know nier was sds of course one of lhalerin

    narciso (d1f714)

  270. Haperins son, mark, is the the reporter who had a case of #metoom

    narciso (d1f714)

  271. Why must she roll like that
    Why must Di chase teh cash
    Nothin’ but the hog in her

    Why must she roll like that
    Why must Di chase teh cash
    Nothin’ but the hog in her

    Do teh back scratcher, back scratcher
    Do teh back scratcher
    Do teh back scratcher, back scratcher
    Do teh back scratcher

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  272. Perhaps Soros, Frankenfeinstein, Debbie Poodleman-Schultz, and Pinch of the NYT supported the embassy move to Jerusalem.

    Perhaps not.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  273. Those anti-Semites? Never!

    nk (dbc370)

  274. @276

    Conspicuously absent from your list is the “rabbi” that VP Pence had at his campaign stop today.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  275. @285

    Zionism and Judaism are not synonymous, Haiku.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  276. That Pence! He didn’t even bother to look up the law that defines “rabbis” and permits them to pray for the dead! Couldn’t he at least have asked The Daily Beast or Think Progress?

    nk (dbc370)

  277. Jews for Jesus aren’t Jews. They’re cosplaying evangelical Christians, and Pence having this guy up front is super gross.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  278. Here’s his prayer. Maybe you can give me a timestamp for when he prays for the dead:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4757811/rabbi-loren-jacobs-messianic-synagogue-shema-yisrael-offers-prayer-vp-pence-speaks-michigan

    He doesn’t name a single one of the dead, but he does name a bunch of Republican candidates.

    Davethulhu (02d505)

  279. I might have more respect for the religious views of the Left if they observed any. Religious views.

    It seems that every time there’s an atrocity, the Left eats the dead and then dances on their bones. They did it with Stoneman Douglas, they did it with Khashoggi, and now they’re doing it with the Pittsburgh synagogue victims.

    nk (dbc370)

  280. But this isn’t about the left. They weren’t the ones propping up a fake rabbi, they don’t believe in it, so not their problem.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  281. If you’re going to go there, 1) Jews for Jesus have been around a lot longer than lesbian rabbis, and 2) they’re more “Jewish” than lesbian rabbis. Talk about cosplay.

    nk (dbc370)

  282. Yup, news for Jesus is cosplay.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  283. — What did the lesbian rabbi say as she passed the blunt to her girlfriend?
    — “It’s in the Torah. We’re supposed to be stoned.”

    nk (dbc370)

  284. virulently anti-semitic NPR (Paul Ryan’s favorite radio) (Mitt’s dirty rentboi) is pushing the jewish leaders in pittsburgh hate Trump fake news

    why do they always push hate hate hate?

    Trump To Visit Pittsburgh Despite Objections From Mayor, Jewish Leaders

    this is a hoax but NPR’s using it to try to trigger more violence

    this is is so sick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  285. is oops

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  286. Are there Jewish leaders in Pittsburgh?

    nk (dbc370)

  287. a lot of them are self-styled ones i guess

    most of the actual rabbis of synagogues there have been super-sweet and aren’t trying to exploit the dead like CNN and the Washington Post

    but there’s always a handful of sick weirdos anymore

    and jack dorsey’s twitter only makes the hatred and anti-semitism worse and worse

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  288. #297 —

    Curious. Did you read beyond the headline?

    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/30/662017268/trump-to-visit-pittsburgh-but-not-everyone-will-welcome-him

    The problem was the headline, not the article. I think you fell into the error that lefty tweeters often do in thinking the headline is the entire story.

    Appalled (96665e)

  289. Actually, a bunch, and that’s not counting Mark Cuban (born Choban). Pitt and CMU are considered Jew schools by greater PA locals in a way that Penn State, Lehigh and Penn are not.

    urbanleftbehind (b4f934)

  290. Did you know that there is a demographic group called “Jews of no religion” and 78% of them identify as Democrats? I didn’t know that.

    nk (dbc370)

  291. Sigh.

    “virulently anti-semitic NPR (Paul Ryan’s favorite radio) (Mitt’s dirty rentboi) is pushing the jewish leaders in pittsburgh hate Trump fake news

    why do they always push hate hate hate?”

    How ironic.

    Please: no more nonsense about Ryan and Romney in most threads, regardless of the topics. And most of all, no homophobic insulting. Which is a long standing obsession of yours.

    Patterico, Dana, I understand the rule about “not attacking” commenters, but how to handle this kind of nonsense, which seems to never end? There is so much good commenting, and this kind of stuff really does take away from it

    And it is not necessary. It’s a choice to be offensive, and for no other reason than to be offensive.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  292. i love america and i love the seasonal fruits it produces Mr. Jester

    i bet you do too!

    let’s build on that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  293. Did you know that there is a demographic group called “Jews of no religion” and 78% of them identify as Democrats? I didn’t know that.

    we have catholics like that in huge numbers here in Chicago and i bet the number identifying as democrats could even be a wee little bit higher

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  294. The problem was the headline, not the article.

    no the problem is what you would take away from glancing at the front page they do this on purpose Mr. Appalled

    they do it on purpose

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  295. Please: no more nonsense about Ryan and Romney in most threads, regardless of the topics.

    the startlingly and astoundingly unprecedented nature of a lame duck speaker holding onto office for the express purpose of resisting an administration’s attempt to mitigate the problem of illegal immigration is not lost on me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  296. Yes, Mr. Feet, but that has nothing to do with the insults you threw. You know that.

    I just wish you could find it within yourself to discuss your points without the nastiness. You hate that approach in others; consider that you should model the behavior you would like to see.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  297. Consider, Mr. Feet, that it has gotten so extreme on your part that some of your skewed verbal constructions are now part of Patterico’s comment filters. So if you genuinely care about the issues the way you say you do, why continue to be childish and insulting? It might amuse you. But think of what it costs others (and not me, by the way)?

    Anyway, I tried. I just enjoy this site and nastiness drives me away.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  298. i think it’s important to ratchet up the nasty rhetoric especially at times when the CNN Jake Tapper fake news is telling everyone they have to tone down the nasty rhetoric

    nasty political rhetoric is deeply deeply American and always has been

    if we lose that it’s gonna be NPCs all the way down (like turtles)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  299. OK — to clarify what the point of your #297 was about — NPR posted a bogus headline about Trump. Because they want to make Trump look bad.

    And, we need to be nasty because CNN says we shouldn’t be nasty.

    These points seem more mundane than transgressive. Not worth the incessant violation of the proprieties.

    Dang it, Mr. Feet. I admire your ability to toss a word salad. And I have the feeling that talking straightforwardly about politics with you would be fun. But you really do throw off threads with your obsession with the alleged mating habits of alleged RINOs.

    Appalled (96665e)

  300. No appalled the whole story is to set a narrative, the group are democratic partisans

    Narciso (d1f714)

  301. i’m not a transgressive person i’m a conservative, classical liberal and i love america and the seasonal fruits it produces

    happyfeet (28a91b)

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