Panicking Fake Indian Goes on Curious Tweet Storm
[guest post by JVW]
As a follow-up to Patterico’s post earlier today, Senator Microhontas reacted to President Trump’s goading of her not as you would expect of someone who is confident that her DNA gambit had once and for all put to rest the issue of her using specious claims of Native American heritage to score prestigious jobs above her curriculum vitae, but as someone who just realizes that she has put this embarrassing issue front and center just as she is quite obviously trying to come up with a Presidential campaign strategy for 2020. Behold:
I won't sit quietly for @realDonaldTrump's racism, so I took a test. But DNA & family history has nothing to do with tribal affiliation or citizenship, which is determined only – only – by Tribal Nations. I respect the distinction, & don't list myself as Native in the Senate.
— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) October 15, 2018
From there, it spirals into a 23-Tweet stream of uncomfortableness on the part of the Senator, and it leaves many in her party wondering why she has made herself the center of attention three weeks before a pivotal election in which she is expected to breeze to an easy victory.
This has been a really, really, bad day for her, and it’s near impossible not to believe that Trump has gotten into her head.
[Cross-posted over at The Jury Talks Back.]
– JVW
Why not a midnight post, for those of us still up at this late hour?
JVW (42615e) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:04 amNot only has Trump gotten into her head, I think he’s going to ask a court for eminent domain so he can kick her out.
Bill H (383c5d) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:53 amThat’s a long trail of tweets, JVW.
nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2018 @ 3:52 amHow very noble of whiter-than-white Warren not to list herself as Native American in the senate! It’s not as if her minuscule amount of Native American (or Mexican or Colombian or Peruvian) ancestry would ever qualify her for a tribal affiliation, so why are we supposed to be impressed that she didn’t claim NA status in the senate? 99.9%-white Warren should apologize for the decades she’s been publicly making her bogus claim of being NA, not expect us to applaud her for not making her fraudulent claim in the senate chambers.
AZ Observer (aa6f43) — 10/16/2018 @ 4:00 amShe talked to credulous reporters, who bought her story whole hog. (There are a lot of lefties on twitter too, who did some serious self-ownership in the early stages of this.) So she didn’t realize what a fetid stinking mess this would be.
When you lie about policy and its effects, which Warren does, you always have cover, if you are a politician on the left. There’s always a professor; there’s always a study; there’s always a think tank. When you get caught fabricating your ancestry — there are verifiable facts on the record. I guess Warren has never been called out on her lies the same way Trump routinely is, and she hasn’t figured out how to handle it yet.
Appalled (96665e) — 10/16/2018 @ 5:23 amtwitter’s gross and gay and all fulled up with this kind of sick racist Elizabeth Warren burbling
twitter’s basically a hate crime all by itself
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/16/2018 @ 5:40 amNow will forever be known as Teh Trail of Tweets… has a nice ring to it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2018 @ 5:46 amLiz? Meet Dave…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2018 @ 5:46 ambut she’s a fraud, at the academic level, her number one critic alas has diseased,
narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:14 amNote:
Old links on what narc talks about in his #9:
https://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/academic-research-controversy/
The underlying links show why I am comfortable in saying Warren lies about policy.
Appalled (96665e) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:21 amCome And Get Your LoveCome And Give Your Vote (Redbone)Hell (hell), what the matter with your eyes eyes
Hell (hell), what the matter with your mind, you just sign here, and a ohohoh
Hell (hell) nothin the matter with your eyes baby use ‘em come on and use ‘em
Hell, with it baby cause I’m wow, kind of now and I look so divine.
Come and give your vote
Come and give your vote
Come and give your vote
Come and give your vote
Hell (hell) what the matter don’t it feel right don’t it feel right baby
Hell oh ya get it from the mainline all right
I said find it find it come and rub it if you like it yeah
Hell (hell) it’s this business
If you want some action, got a fraction
Get it together baby
Come and give your vote
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:41 amCome and give your vote
Come and give your vote
Come and give your vote
She ain’t no high plains whiskey trader…
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:43 amI just took a blood test, and found out I am 1/1024 Native American. Seems my ancestor was the only Native American Jew — named Chief Kvetching Bull. Instead of hunting buffalo, he hunted gefilte fish on the North American plains. Since there were not many of those there, his family was very hungry.
Bored Lawyer (998177) — 10/16/2018 @ 7:30 amWhen you tweet “Oh, and one one more thing.” followed by 11 straight tweets in machine gun fashion, you look like everyone’s dottering great aunt who got into the vino.
harkin (adce92) — 10/16/2018 @ 7:33 amJames R Williamson
@jrwill9
You’ve been endorsing the absurd messaging from an identity politics advocacy group (“Cherokee Nation”) that presumes to dictate whether or not private individuals should be allowed to take DNA tests. Is it that important to score rhetorical points?
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Pedantic Bastard
@PedanticBword
The Sovereign Cherokee Nation is an internationally recognized national government.
Not a “identity politics advocacy group”.
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James R Williamson
@jrwill9
I stand corrected. Their message is still absurd.
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Drew Kalocai
@DrewKalocai
So we can’t hold the leftist identarians to the rules they set for themselves?
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FreedomFighter
@LostAndFound12
Identity politics advocacy group? You mean the democrat party?
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Glitch in the Matrix
harkin (adce92) — 10/16/2018 @ 7:52 am@gubmintworker
“Identity politics advocacy group” – – THEY’RE A SOVEREIGN NATION, which, incidentally, has decided to strictly control who is allowed into it – a lesson in there somewhere, I’m sure.
self-Pwn-a-hontas.
JRH (17ad2a) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:07 amGive her all the room she needs to continue destroying herself and hurting the Democratic brand. Sun Tzu!
DJT has been incredibly successful in causing Lefties to declare themselves. He is not that smart. Gorka and the many other sycophants are wrong to give him credit for this. He is a walking dog bell.
Ed from SFV (6d42fa) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:13 am#4, did you Observe the AZ Senate debate last night? MMS cleans up well, to the point I was hoping for the political equivalent of Britney/Madonna.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:20 amI’m shocked that science was being manipulated.
AZ Bob (885937) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:38 amMost of her attacks on Trump are entirely accurate. Granted, they come from the perspective of a liberal Democrat, so her idea of what should replace him is far different from ours.
Dave (9664fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:46 am13… good stuff!
Strike that, your honor… poorly phrased…
Excellent stuff!
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:49 amLieawatha is a true blue Masshole.
mg (9e54f8) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:49 amTweeter on teh Storm
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:55 amTweeter on teh Storm
Into this tribe weren’t born
But Dem sheep must be shorn
Will they throw teh dog a bone
Or leave her all alone
Tweeter on teh Storm
Hey, Ed. Fool you once, shame on you.
Fool you twice, shame on you again, lol.
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 8:57 amRanch news:
Narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:00 amhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2018/10/germany-cologne-train-station-hostage-taker-linked-to-islamic-state/amp/
Indeed.
Dave (9664fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:04 amHorse-faced?
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:05 amThe open border policy these tribes had failed.
mg (9e54f8) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:08 amshe’s a bit long in the tooth that’s for sure
and a tad yeasty
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:09 amThe Dems couldn’t possibly find another presidential candidate as unlikeable as Hillary Clinton.
But you have to give them credit for trying.
Dave (9664fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:17 ami meant horseface
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:18 amChief Running Tab wants you to pay for her DNA test.
mg (9e54f8) — 10/16/2018 @ 9:20 amSo you’re saying we should heed the warnings of the Indians as to what happens when unrestricted immigration comes to your shores?
NJRob (1d7532) — 10/16/2018 @ 10:35 amI love the nickname Microhontas–it just sums up how ridiculous this is.
Rochf (877dba) — 10/16/2018 @ 10:42 amI thought the most telling thing about Warren was how she claimed her mother was discriminated against by her father’s family because she was too Indian for their liking.
Her DNA test proves that story to be a lie.
UV (787359) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:03 amYou know, the crowning glory of America is that our parents didn’t really matter. The child of a poor family could ascend, and the child of a rich family fall. Because of the hated SAT, higher education wasn’t based on family connections.
Does that mean family connections never mattered? Of course not. But things were better here than in Europe or elsewhere. The individual mattered.
And yet we have twisted ourselves into a pretzel society where our parentage DOES matter, again. Not in terms of peerage or money, but it terms of race. Call it the “ethnocracy.”
I supposedly have native American DNA (not like Dana, though). I was raised poor. White. In the city. There is NOTHING about my background that has anything to do with my grandparents from Oklahoma.
And yet I have been encouraged for decades to “use” my ancestry to promote my own career. If I had done so, I would be doing much better than I have. But I honestly believe that success based on a lie is anything but success.
I’m grumpy today, I guess.
Simon Jester (a6712e) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:12 am26 – you posted a pic of someone whose ancestors immigrated from Asia to make a point about immigration.
So pure.
harkin (7f4688) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:30 am“I thought the most telling thing about Warren was how she claimed her mother was discriminated against by her father’s family because she was too Indian for their liking.
Her DNA test proves that story to be a lie.”
The Warren apologists now counter by throwing Mom and Granny under the bus, they lied, not ‘Pow-Wow Chow’ Warren.
harkin (7f4688) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:34 amNon Sequitor Alert.
Early voting started in Georgia yesterday. 69K voters were recorded. 4 years ago? 21K. This is a broken glass election for the Blacks here. I voted yesterday and a clear majority of folks I saw voting were minority. Georgia is becoming purple with a massive influx of illegals. Despite having among the strictest protocols in proving the validity of a given person’s voting privilege, the changing demographics will out. Maybe not this time, but inevitably.
The hurricane will also hurt the GOP badly here and in Florida. Will those voters give a darn for anything beyond the basics? In deepest red parts of Florida, will they even have decent access to a polling place? Scott and DeSantis are very likely to be victims of Michael, imo.
Ed from SFV (6d42fa) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:38 amIf she was always seen as white, how was she listed at Harvard as a minority? What am I missing here in this discussion?
reff (1c38d0) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:54 amIf Harvard was looking for a woman of color AND Warren’s “color” were not a factor, she would not have gotten an interview!
reff (1c38d0) — 10/16/2018 @ 11:55 amThe next defense will be: Isn’t Cherokee where you sing into a microphone to recorded music?
nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:10 pmBut when you get down to it, is it any worse than Kaitlyn (f/k/a Bruce) Jenner claiming he’s a woman?
nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:12 pmyou posted a pic of someone whose ancestors immigrated from Asia to make a point about immigration.
This is the curious thing to me about that line of argument. So did the first people crossing the land bridge from Asia become the right proper and morally entitled owners of ALL of North AND South America based solely on being the first to lay eyes and/or set foot upon it? And what part? Like as soon as they saw or set foot on Alaska, they owned the whole gosh darn thing all the way down to Tierra del Fuego? If not, where/how are those lines drawn?
Skorcher (5b282a) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:15 pmI’ll indulge the non-sequitor:
Georgia is also getting big bounce back of African-Americans from Rust Belt metros and CA in addition to its sizable native-born group. I thought the Dalton/Gwinnett “Atlanta United FC” demo (hell, I’d probably be given a hard time even with my nasally upper midwest/rust belt inflection) sort of leveled off in the 2010s but maybe I’m wrong.
I did foresee a sort of “playing possum” effect on the part of the A-A voters in terms of polling so as to lull the Republican voters into complacency (this was evident in 2012, older blacks voted on the 1st day of early voting, whereas younger blacks did the “eclipse on the quad” on actual Election Day).
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:16 pm43… depends on the status of teh plumbing job…
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:18 pmMicrohontas. Love that one!
The jokes almost write themselves. She walked right into this, lol. And what a coincidence that the cameras were at her house and the DNA’s guy house to announce the results? So cheezy!
Why do Dems like her so much? She reminds me of SNL’s The Church Lady.
Patricia (3363ec) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:18 pmWell, it was actually the Chinese who got pushed further south by Central Asiatics and eventually Russians. Hence the much closer to European appearance of the later-to-cross Anthapascan tribes like the Apache versus the Mayans and the Incas. Would not be surprised to see close links between the Sikh and some native American tribes.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:20 pmEd:
Brian Kemp brought bad results on his head and, as Secretary of State, he has almost nobody to blame but himself if he loses. I mean, we have some of the lease secure voter systems in the country — something that’s been talked about a long time now. But, I guess it was more fun running cutesy jerky boy ads about picking up illegals in his pick up than it was to, um, do his job and make sure the vote was beyond reproach.
Thing is, for years the GOP followed the Dems in Georgia in being pretty moderate, and the state has been pretty well governed. Now the local GOP has taken a turn for the Trump, first with David Perdue, and now Kemp, and they deserve to be throttled by the electorate for it.
Appalled (96665e) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:21 pmShe was the 99% percent lady and was crowned as the initiator of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:22 pmI just want to say I really loved Microhontas. Really cracked up at that.
Dustin (c9c626) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:32 pmNo, but I think adverse possession might have kicked in after they settled down for ten or twenty thousand years…
Dave (83748d) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:33 pmNo, but I think adverse possession might have kicked in after they settled down for ten or twenty thousand years…
Settled down where? North America? East coast? Canada? Did their settlement preclude the rights of tribes that travelled behind them? Or was crossing the Asian land bridge the only legitimate way to acquire land rights in the Americas?
When Europeans arrived there were, according to estimates 50-100 million people living in the Americas. Did they possess complete and total rights to 100% of both continents?
And as for the adverse possession you reference, in what jurisdiction would that have applied?
Skorcher (5b282a) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:56 pm@41, is there any evidence that she benefited from claiming to be part Native American in either admissions of career?
Follow up question, anyone here basing their ancestry on more than family oral tradition past their grandparents? Everything i know about my great-grand parents on my mothers side is from what I was told. Not 1 shred of proof.
Time123 (f5cf77) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:57 pmSkorcher, what’s your point? That the current USA didn’t seize our land through bloody conquest and genocide? I’ve no plan to give it back, but it seems silly to pretend history was otherwise.
Time123 (f5cf77) — 10/16/2018 @ 12:59 pmWarren has now put this behind her with democrat party for 2020 primary. Her problem now is what is her answer going to be when democrat base asks her how do YOU get rid of kavenaugh the day you take office. Candidate with best answer wins democrat primary.
lany (2ed627) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:16 pm@41, is there any evidence that she benefited from claiming to be part Native American in either admissions of career?
Well, this is the new lefty talking point, isn’t it? They insist that even though Microhontas listed herself as a Native American in the law professor directory and even though both Penn and Harvard considered her a “person of color” upon her hiring and even though she was hired at a time when affirmative action hires were rather common at Ivy League schools, that somehow she didn’t directly benefit from that Native American designation. And this seems based upon assurances from Harvard that her imagined heritage played no role in her hire, even though at the time she was hired she was the only professor at the law school who didn’t have either an Ivy League undergraduate degree or an Ivy League law degree. And this coming from a school that has pretty much been lying about discriminating against Asian-American students in undergraduate admissions for the past two generations.
So yeah, if you want to stack implausible scenario upon implausible scenario upon implausible scenario then you certainly can conclude that Microhontas got her faculty appointment entirely through her talent and accomplishments.
JVW (42615e) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:16 pmI’m asking questions. I haven’t come to a conclusion, or “point” as you may call it. What is the foundation for the default position that establishes who “owns” land? However you raise another point, if a people have their land taken from them they must go somewhere else, correct? By what right do they have to occupy land that “belongs” to another group of people? Or must they fight a battle to the death against those who take “their” land? And how far does a claim of land ownership extend? If Tribe TW claims ownership of land (something itself the grounds for which we have not established) up to river RE to their east, what makes their claim to that land more legitimate than the ownership claim of a further eastern Tribe TE west to river RW, which happens to be located west of RE?
Skorcher (5b282a) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:18 pm#57 — That’s not just the lefty talking point, that’s always been the real issue here. Sen. Warren was trying to put it to bed with her “See, I got the DNA”. And she did a spectacular epic fail on that.
Appalled (96665e) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:24 pmI met one of my great-grandparents! I have a picture of me, aged 9 or so, standing next to him in my Cub Scout uniform. He looks entirely unimpressed.
My mom’s side of the family were hillbillies; I was told my mom’s dad’s people came from Wales, and indeed his name was Welsh.
I was also told that “there was an Indian in the woodpile” somewhere on my mom’s side.
Dave (83748d) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:29 pmJVW, Yup, that’s a plausible scenario. Any evidence that it’s true? I actually don’t like her because of her economic positions. I’m just curious if anyone has found any actual evidence. Your comment basically summarizes as “It’s very possible” and “I don’t trust Harvard.”
Things that would be Evidence: Admission information showing that applied or was considered as a diversity candidate. Statements from her contemporaries to that effect. Statements that she wasn’t good at her job. Anything really.
Time123 (f5cf77) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:29 pmSkorcher:
Thank you for clarifying.
Since you’re very new to this you might be unaware that this line of questions has in the past been used to substantiate an argument that the bad things done to Native Americans weren’t really that bad, were OK/Legal, or otherwise minimize them. But have fun with your totally innocent philosophical research.
Time123 (f5cf77) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:35 pmDave, that’s my point. Most 3rd gen American’s get their family history through oral tradition. Unless there’s some evidence that she unfairly benefited from this I think this is silly.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:42 pmI’m just asking questions. On the other hand, you are jumping to conclusions. They are legitimate questions that are frequently glossed over. The basis of my questions are no more specific to Native Americans than they are to any other peoples, that’s just the context of the moment per Dave’s post @ 26 and harkin’s post @ 37. They’re just being asked in that context. However if you prefer, you can put them in the context of the first tribes ever to leave Africa or whatever your origination of human history derives from.
Skorcher (5b282a) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:44 pmSomeone should send her a paid subscription to Ancestry.com. If she wants to get serious about it.
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:49 pmShe can get well beyond her poo-paw in her genealogy…
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:54 pmSkorcher, It’s called the Philosophy of Ownership. It’s been studied for years. Try google if you’re really serious that you’re interested in it absent it’s impact on the current discussions around Native Americans.
Time123 (f5cf77) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:55 pmThere’s no way they would have run into a Mexican or Peruvian ancestor up in the plains, so what game are they playing?
And in answer to your next question if the wampanoags had been able to cross the Atlantic’s you think they wouldn’t do the same things to the English off the
Narciso (b840e2) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:56 pmPossession is 9/10ths of teh law and that woman is definitely possessed.
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 1:56 pmIn this crew cilizza is the wise one:
Narciso (b840e2) — 10/16/2018 @ 2:01 pmhttps://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/16/shocka-wapo-reporter-attacks-tries-discrediting-cherokee-nation-for-coming-out-against-elizabeth-warren/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget
Narciso (b840e2) — 10/16/2018 @ 2:01 pmOwnership of land is quite different than ownership of other kinds of property, is it not? And it was Dave who put this in the context of adverse possession. Also note, philosophy is far from settled science.
JSkorcher (5a999e) — 10/16/2018 @ 2:04 pmIn the history of the Rule of Law, William the Conqueror holds a hallowed place as the motivating force behind the Domesday Book, which in turn is described as “Britain’s earliest public record”:
Although commissioned by the king for the benefit of the Crown, this comprehensive (albeit not absolutely complete) record of all of the real property in England, with its ownership as derived from the Crown, defined the parameters — both figuratively, in terms of legal concepts, and literally, in terms of metes and bounds measured on the ground — of property ownership throughout the realm, for all purposes public and private, in all the centuries since the Battle of Hastings.
There was, of course, no comparable government bureaucracy, nor edifice of legal theory including permanent property rights, that was developed or enforced in the Americas by its earliest inhabitants. And for purposes of rationalizing and justifying the displacement of those quote-unquote Native Americans, the western (and specifically in North America, the English) concepts of property law proved as formidable a weapon as cannons and muskets.
In addition to “record ownership” of real property as established in the Domesday Book, though, English law also developed the concept of “adverse possession,” by which a non-holder of record could, through a combination of his own efforts over time combined with the record owner’s sloth or indifference, end up in an “off the record” change of ownership. But the kinds of efforts made by the adverse possessor that ought to have put the record owner on notice, with a duty to interrupt the ongoing use of his real property in ways contrary to his claims of ownership, were also foreign to Native Americans: Putting up fences, tilling the soil seasonally, building permanent dwellings and other structures, posting signs proclaiming property names and ownership — none of this made sense in, say, the Comanche views of property, in which they considered “theirs” any land that they could take even momentarily through violence; by that standard, most of post-Civil War Texas was Comanche land, even if it previously had been Apache land, or land claimed by the Spanish or French crowns, or by the Republic of Texas. And thus, with the death of the last Comanche warriors, so too died their claims to even the limited and different kind of “ownership” they claimed.
The morality of all this is muddled and incapable of rational resolution. The Rule of Law, including real property law, values certainty and finality over romantic or moral arguments. And regardless of its history, our current property laws are absolutely essential — a sine qua non — for our modern western civilization going forward, and we can’t rewrite history, nor effectively redress ancient historical grievances even if we could reach agreement regarding the moral dimensions of that history (which we can’t).
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/16/2018 @ 2:45 pmOn the subject of Native American and, in particular, Comanche views toward property ownership and use, I highly recommend S.C. Gwynne’s Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History (2010).
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/16/2018 @ 2:51 pmThank you for addressing the questions, Beldar. But as you say, the laws and even customs, only apply within the context, or domain, of an established government. And that government itself only exists up to the borders to which it is willing to defend itself. As you point out, Comanche land was indeed Comanche land up to the point that they were able to defend it. Just as (some) Apache land was only Apache land up to the point that they were able to keep Comanches off of it. One could say similar to the land of the Canaanites or the Mygars or any other historical, or more universally even non-historical people.
Not that I’m one to use Hollywood movies to accent a point, but there’s a very good John Wayne movie, Red River I believe, where a Mexican land owner has laid claim to some good cattle land but he does nothing with it, nor does he bother to defend it. Yet he claims it as his. Forget how the story fully goes but I’ve found that story very thought provoking in the context of real estate law and similar.
JSkorcher (5a999e) — 10/16/2018 @ 3:24 pmI can’t access it, but there is an article where she admits she told Harvard she was a woman of color.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/30/elizabeth-warren-acknowledges-telling-harvard-penn-native-american-status/e7rnUDG6kAKvjZJQNr8wjL/story.html
Patricia (3363ec) — 10/16/2018 @ 3:53 pmAnd Politico.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/fordham-piece-called-warren-harvard-laws-first-woman-of-color-123526
Patricia (3363ec) — 10/16/2018 @ 3:55 pmBeldar’s always-interesting and learned analysis notwithstanding, people are reading too much into a meme I linked for humorous purposes.
Dave (9664fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 4:28 pm49… but at least Kemp didn’t speak of non-existent counties or call for undocumented voting…
https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/democratic-gubernatorial-candidate-stacey-abrams-makes-up-a-county-in-georgia-JdaztFtU6ESt_QRxKvoZwQ/
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 10/16/2018 @ 5:19 pmIs Indian joke they tell in Latvia. I tell now.
nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:10 pmIs Plains Indian tribe in Staked Plains and brave run up to chief.
“Chief, chief”, he say. “Am have bad news, worse news, and good news”.
Chief say: “What am bad news?
Brave say: “White man take all our land. They am all over the place.”
Chief say: “What am worse news?
Brave say: “They am kill all the buffalo.”
Chief say: “Great Politburo. What am good news?”
Brave say: “White man taste just like buffalo.”
TIME to the rescue!
Dana (023079) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:31 pm81… when you get lemons, you make hard lemonade. And then you drink it. Every drop.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:35 pmIf it had been Hazard or Chickasaw County, it would have been an honest mistake.
urbanleftbehind (6098cf) — 10/16/2018 @ 6:43 pmfootsies will like this one:
Suppose one of Warren’s great-grandmothers or great^2 grandmothers was a white woman married to a man with significant Indian blood (perhaps even pure-blooded).
And suppose she was impregnated by a white man without her husband’s knowledge, whether through voluntary infidelity or by rape. She might well conceal the truth, from her husband and from the child, who would grow up believing they had been sired by an Indian, and would pass this false bit of family lore down to their descendents.
Of course, the recent DNA test would tell a different story.
Obviously, this is an entirely speculative scenario, but it’s hardly implausible.
Dave (9664fc) — 10/16/2018 @ 7:06 pmWhich is why descent was matrilineal among the Iroquois and Delawares, and Hiawatha lived in the wigwam of Nokomis, daughter of the moon Nokomis, his maternal grandmother, by the shores of Gitche Gumee, by the shining Big-Sea-Water.
nk (dbc370) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:10 amBut didn’t you, yourself, say in the previous thread that Milliwatha’s (that 1/1000th of a Hiawatha) story is that great grand mama was an Indian and the reason she had to elope with great grand papa? So, yes, you scenario is implausible since it contradicts Microhontas’s own story.
nk (dbc370) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:16 amthat’s too complicated
the simple explanation is that Elizabeth Warren is a vile racist what demeaned and trivialized the heritage of real native american people for example alcoholic track and field star jim thorpe (he won a lot of medals) (they took them away) (they gave them back)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:39 amSo back in the 17th what contact would the Comanches have with Spanish settlers
Narciso (d1f714) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:41 amhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/10/mid-week-in-pictures-fauxcahontas-edition.php
scene: violent muslim Keith Ellison and vile racist liar Elizabeth Warren meet on the street
hey you got your chockit in my peabnut bubber!
you got your peabnut bubber in my chockit!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:53 amSnorfle. You know, there were Greek Conquistadores in the service of the Spanish kings. A notable one being Juan de Fuca (Ioannis Fokas) after whom the strait between Canada and the state of Washington is named. There may be some Greek DNA along with Aztec, Mayan and Inca in that database and, therefore, Elizabeth might just be more Greek than Indian. It’s not implausible.
nk (dbc370) — 10/17/2018 @ 6:54 am