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10/11/2018

More from the Tolerant Radical Left: Truck with Pro-Trump Stickers Torched in Vancouver

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:47 am



The insanity of the radical left continues:

A truck bearing pro-Trump stickers was torched after the owner left the vehicle at a bar parking lot in Vancouver, Wash., overnight.

Johnny MacKay told KOIN News the incident occurred late Monday night, after he opted to take an Uber home after having a few drinks, leaving his Nissan Titan pickup in the Garage Bar and Grille’s parking lot.

During the night, Randy Sanchagrin, who lives near the bar, told the local station he heard an explosion. He then exited the house and began filming what turned out to be MacKay’s truck being engulfed by flames.

“By the time I ran back to the street it was so bad there was no getting close to it,” Sanchagrin told the local outlet.

Photos of MacKay’s pickup showed two bumper stickers reading “TRUMP 2020” and “TRUMP: KEEP AMERICA GREAT! 2020.”

MacKay told the station he thinks his stickers made him a target.

Oh, and in case you thought it was an unrelated coincidence that the truck had Trump stickers on it:

He said when he arrived at the bar the next morning to pick up his truck, he also found Trump’s name spray-painted on the vehicle.

It’s not an unrelated coincidence.

When they go low, we kick them. But we don’t do anything inappropriate of course.

No word yet on whether Brooke Baldwin or Don Lemon think this was “arson” as opposed to peaceful protest.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

154 Responses to “More from the Tolerant Radical Left: Truck with Pro-Trump Stickers Torched in Vancouver”

  1. If a Trumper would have done that to a anti-Trumper, our so-called POTUS would have offered to pay their legal fees.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  2. What year and does insurance cover it…maybe a clever way to beat the repo man.

    urbanleftbehind (469781)

  3. You really are from the Southside, urbanleftbehind.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Tillman and urban both raise an interesting idea — just like many collegiate “hate crimes” that turn out not to be as advertised, somebody could be doing this to themselves for attention, or slander the other side.

    If you read Instapundit, you realize this kind of thing happens all the time. MAGA has picked so many of those Rules for Radicals style of argumentation from the Left. This could be another one.

    Appalled (96665e)

  5. It’s possible but unlikely if they had made it front page news maybe.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  6. I was thinking also of the false cases of harassment of Muslim young women in hijab to hide/distract from a long night out and walk of shame.

    urbanleftbehind (469781)

  7. I must be missing the point of publicizing the criminal acts perpetrated by ignoranuses of the right and left. Both fringes seem to be using the “So what if we did it, they did it too” argument – hardly an approach that leads to productive discussion of real issues that need attention.

    John B Boddie (487ce8)

  8. Well it puts the lie to the civility garbage that the left used to suppress speech,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  9. Charles Jefferson, a former San Fernando Valley high school gridiron star, could not be reached for comment.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  10. And Maxine smiled…..

    harkin (adce92)

  11. In contrast to our thug POTUS:

    Michelle Obama: ‘When they go low, we go high’ slogan ‘absolutely’ still stands

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/michelle-obama-today-show-low-high/index.html

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  12. I actually had a client who stole his own car, but he did not set it on fire. He chopped it up. The lawyer I referred all my personal injury walk-ins to did have one guy who did drive his car to the Southside, set it on fire, and reported it stolen.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. Since we see violence on the left increasing constantly this is believable. Let’s not forget they tried to torch a university building at Bezerkley because a speaker wasn’t a leftist.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  14. at least they didn’t joke-accuse the truck of teen joke-rape and try to ruin its life

    this is progress

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. I blame Bush.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  16. Charles Jefferson, a former San Fernando Valley high school gridiron star, could not be reached for comment.

    Nice! I suppose Ridgemont is playing Lincoln this weekend.

    JVW (42615e)

  17. I dunno, it seems a bit odd to me.

    Someone comes along in the middle of the night, is infuriated by two tiny bumper-stickers, and just happens to have gasoline and spray-paint with them to set the fire and leave a message.

    It’s certainly not impossible, but I’ll be interested to see what the investigation turns up.

    Dave (9664fc)

  18. Just another day for the Left…..

    “A member of student government at Ohio University has been charged with a misdemeanor after she allegedly made false statements to police about receiving threatening messages.

    Anna Ayers, who is a member of the OU student senate, was arrested Monday and charged by the Ohio University Police Department with three separate counts of “making false alarms.” It is alleged that Ayers falsely reported multiple threatening messages, including a “death threat,” which she claims was because of her being a member of the LGBTQ community. “

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11395

    harkin (adce92)

  19. And oh yeah the ‘teacher’ in MN who advocated killing Kavanaugh…….I wonder which way she leans….oh that’s right she’s got pink hair and Groucho Marx eyebrows….anybody want to take a guess?

    https://lifenews-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/spookysam.png

    harkin (adce92)

  20. “In contrast to our thug POTUS:

    Michelle Obama: ‘When they go low, we go high’ slogan ‘absolutely’ still stands”

    You mean that lady married to the guy who said “when they bring a knife, we bring a gun”?

    harkin (adce92)

  21. My own theory is that it was a particularly company-loyal Lyft driver. Time will tell (but mark my words!).

    Q! (86710c)

  22. @17. This was outside a bar and there’s gas in the car. So, drunk guy leaves the bar late, see’s the truck, pops the gas cap and lights it up.

    The spray paint is odd. It will be interesting to see what turns up. It sounds sketchy.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  23. Also: The guy claims to be an Uber driver and he uses a pick-up truck to carry fares? Is that done? I took my first Uber rides just last weekend, so I honestly don’t know, but I’d have been a bit a put off if a pick-up truck had shown up instead of a car. Maybe it’s normal in more rural areas, but …

    … would you put political bumper stickers on a vehicle that you drive for Uber, and make it likely that you p*ss off a significant fraction of your passengers?

    Dave (9664fc)

  24. Fake but accurate, the retraction is on page b 9, that’s how it’s done right?

    Narciso (d1f714)

  25. This was outside a bar and there’s gas in the car. So, drunk guy leaves the bar late, see’s the truck, pops the gas cap and lights it up.

    The photos look like the fire mostly burned the front of the truck. The back-end (where I assume the gas tank is) is practically undamaged.

    I’m no expert, but it looked to me like an accelerant was used on the front of the truck.

    Dave (9664fc)

  26. 23…that would be victim blaming, but perhaps he also had designs on being with Dolly or Amazon’s driver service whereby he would be also delivering large packages/bulk items. But again maybe he knows his niche of the rideshare market (pickups are cool, more warm to Trump etc.); Uber was sold to many as a way of “re-patriating” the taxi driver industry.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  27. Stephen Green
    @VodkaPundit
    Maybe Eric Holder didn’t mean that mobs of Democrats should *literally* kick people they disagree with. Maybe he just meant they should send ricin in the mail or shoot up softball games.

    harkin (adce92)

  28. @25. Yea, sounds sketchier by the minute. If you set a car on fire the right way there’s not much left to spray paint and you’ve got to wait around a while even for that. A good car fire can melt asphalt and produce an impressive cloud of toxic gas.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  29. At some point in time Maxine’s mobsters will fu## with the wrong guy. Sh!t will happen and the war will start.

    mg (9e54f8)

  30. Thinking of the Florida Panhandlers, Hope your safe.

    mg (9e54f8)

  31. Wow… wanna get rid of that valuable car that just suffered transmission failure or blew a head gasket? Just roll or tow it over to a metro street near you, slap some Trump stickers on and wait for the insurance check

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  32. O/T, but noteworthy today…

    So, “are you a turtle?”

    America’s march to the moon began this October day fifty years ago with the successful launch of Apollo 7 from launch pad 34 at Cape Canaveral; the same launch pad where the Apollo 1 crew perished in the January, 1967 fire. It was Mercury and Gemini veteran astronaut Wally Schirra, with rookies Donn Eisele and Walt Cunningham who put the spacecraft through a rigorous shakedown over an eleven day earth-orbital flight, testing systems, methods and procedures for what NASA would later publicly label a ‘101% success.’

    School kids and adults across America – and in most free world countries- paused to watch, along with CBS News correspondent Walter Cronkite, as the U.S. manned space program ‘got back in the race’ and literally rose from the ashes, roaring skyward after months of Congressional hearings, engineering redesigns and NASA/contractor management shuffling.  The time left to meet President Kennedy’s goal of landing a man on the moon ‘before the end of the decade’ was growing short and Apollo 8 was already on the launch pad undergoing pre-flight checks. So much, if not everything, was riding on the success of ‘Seven.’

    The rest is history. Over that 13 month period- from October ’68 through November, ’69-  the United States launched six Apollo spaceflights; four of them to the moon with two, lunar landing missions. That was a ‘moonshot’ nearly every 6 to 8 weeks. It was a heady time during a truly turbulent era when the country had something to look up to with pride as the rest of the world looked on in admiration watching Americans at their very best. Fifty years on, it is still unequaled. As the late moonwalker, Gene Cernan noted, Apollo was ‘the golden thread’ through the dark tapestry of the 1960’s.

    There were some significant ‘firsts’- America’s first three man spaceflight; the first crewed flight of the Saturn rocket series; hot coffee, warm meals and live b/w television from orbit. Some morale-building good humor was beamed down from ‘Jolly Wally’ and crew with televised cue cards [now in the Smithsonian] sending greetings to earthlings, ‘from the lovely Apollo Room high atop everything’ and quips of ‘keep those cards and letters coming in folks’ along with some special ‘Turtle Club’ drinks-all-around references to NASA managers from space. All of which served up some welcomed cheer to finally put ‘The Fire’ behind them.  A very public ‘mutiny’ with flight controllers from the crew battling head colds at the time became a contested, internal issue which echoed for years within the space agency before the passage of time healed all wounds, too.

    These days Apollo 7 is long forgotten by the public. The recovered command module is on display in Texas and launch pad 34 is now a memorial to Apollo 1 with ‘abandon in place’ stenciled across it.  Cunningham is the last surviving Apollo 7 crew member. Eisele passed away in 1987; Schirra in 2007. Had the opportunity to meet Schirra a few times, years ago, at business functions. His ‘gotcha’ sense of humor was keen as ever; affable and all Navy w/an interest in naval history who enjoyed giving talks on spaceflight to grade school classes to light young minds.  He was a very good man.  So if you have a few minutes, watch ‘the way it was,’  half a century ago today, and relive a time when America truly was great ‘again:’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNY2yKBPn9w

    And BTW, “are you a turtle?” You’d best answer, ‘you bet your sweet azz I am’ — or it’s a ‘gotcha’ from Wally- and drinks all ’round from you.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/apollo-7-launched-as-race-to-moon-reached-final-stretch

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. O/T but tip of the cap to NASA:

    America’s march to the moon began this October day fifty years ago with the successful launch of Apollo 7 from launch pad 34 at Cape Canaveral; the same launch pad where the Apollo 1 crew perished in the January, 1967 fire.

    So if you have a few minutes, watch ‘the way it was,’  half a century ago today, and relive a time when America truly was great ‘again.’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNY2yKBPn9w

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Imagine the damage and loss if Trump had won the Super Bowl. Back in the 80’s, as the mills closed and steel workers lost their jobs, Japanese cars were known to be torched around Pittsburgh neighborhoods. Oh, those radical, rowdy Steeler fans.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Russian booster goes coyote, cosmonauts barely escaped.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. Also: The guy claims to be an Uber driver and he uses a pick-up truck to carry fares? Is that done? I took my first Uber rides just last weekend, so I honestly don’t know, but I’d have been a bit a put off if a pick-up truck had shown up instead of a car. Maybe it’s normal in more rural areas, but …

    In rural areas pick-up trucks often are used by Uber drivers. I was in Corvallis, Oregon last fall and got picked up in a giant Dodge Ram.

    JVW (42615e)

  37. And, come to think of it, one of my drivers in Morgantown, WV last weekend drove a pick-up. I think that with college towns in semi-rural areas it isn’t at all uncommon. And I guess maybe the North Portland area qualifies.

    JVW (42615e)

  38. You mean that lady married to the guy who said “when they bring a knife, we bring a gun”?

    There’s also the lady who proudly boasted of her husband, “If you hit him, he’ll hit back TEN TIMES as hard.” I recall that line being applauded (or at least not criticized) by many of the same people who claim to be morally offended by Holder’s “when they go low, we kick them” remark. But anything bad is good when Trump does it, right?

    Radegunda (b0ffbf)

  39. OK. So maybe it is Trump-related, but from a Trumpster who happens to know the reason for the stickers being there (“a funny joke”), and that McKay did not in fact vote for Trump. Hmmm. Maybe Mr. McKay should avoid shooting off his mouth at certain bar-n-grills:

    On the back of his truck were two stickers supporting the President, a candidate MacKay said he didn’t vote for but now supports because he’s in office.

    “I literally just put them on this weekend,” he said. “If I would’ve known somebody would’ve taken politics this far — I saw them, I thought they were funny and apparently somebody didn’t get the joke.”

    It’s all so difficult to suss out exactly what was going on there.

    Q! (86710c)

  40. @35. They went ballistic; but at least their capsule didn’t sink in a sea of wheat.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. So there was a joint PR thing with Kanye and Trump. It was as bad as a thing could possibly be, to the point that I thought Trump would just cut him off and say “Stop talking, your breaking my brain”.

    Kanye West is a crazy person.

    Colonel Klink (1f9938)

  42. There’s also the lady who proudly boasted of her husband, “If you hit him, he’ll hit back TEN TIMES as hard.” I recall that line being applauded (or at least not criticized) by many of the same people who claim to be morally offended by Holder’s “when they go low, we kick them” remark. But anything bad is good when Trump does it, right?

    OK, but show me where Trump has ever claimed to be a paragon of dignity and comity as a politician. It’s one thing when a guy dressed as a thug jumps you in the streets, pounds the snot out of you, and then steals your wallet. It’s quite different when somebody dressed as a nun does the same thing. That’s the difference between Trump and the Holder/Obama crowd.

    JVW (42615e)

  43. Kanye gonna revert to another aspect of “southside” and cry about not being in this picture though:

    https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/11/music-modernization-act-signed-into-law/?yptr=yahoo

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  44. JVW 41, are you saying Trump should not be held to the same standard as Holder and Obama, and there should be a special “thug standard” for Trump?

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. No Obama encouraged violence in Sanford Baltimore fergusin Dallas Minneapolis, either actively or passively as have holder lynch it al.

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. “OK, but show me where Trump has ever claimed to be a paragon of dignity and comity as a politician.“
    JVW (42615e) — 10/11/2018 @ 10:47 am

    Yeah, I think that’s a terrible rationale.

    Hitting back ten times harder after being hit, is responding to physical violence with more violence.

    What Holder seemed to imply was that “low” discourse or “low” politics should be met with physical violence. If he really meant waiting to be physically hit first, he left that out.

    Neither is particularly awesome, but the latter is much worse.

    Munroe (7380a7)

  47. Also: The guy claims to be an Uber driver and he uses a pick-up truck to carry fares? Is that done? I took my first Uber rides just last weekend, so I honestly don’t know, but I’d have been a bit a put off if a pick-up truck had shown up instead of a car. Maybe it’s normal in more rural areas, but …

    … would you put political bumper stickers on a vehicle that you drive for Uber, and make it likely that you p*ss off a significant fraction of your passengers?
    Dave (9664fc) — 10/11/2018 @ 8:40 am

    This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave. Uber is mentioned only once in the article.

    Johnny MacKay told KOIN News the incident occurred late Monday night, after he opted to take an Uber home after having a few drinks, leaving his Nissan Titan pickup in the Garage Bar and Grille’s parking lot.

    He took an Uber home after a few drinks in a bar. At no point does he claim to be an Uber driver.

    Like “an army of Nazis marching in the streets” did you hallucinate that “fact,” too?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  48. JVW 41, are you saying Trump should not be held to the same standard as Holder and Obama, and there should be a special “thug standard” for Trump?

    No, what I am saying is that as boorish as Trump is, he’s not a hypocrite about it, whereas Obama, Holder, Hillary, and the rest of them are.

    JVW (42615e)

  49. Maxine Waters perhaps is not a hypocrite; I don’t think she has ever called for calm reflection or self-control.

    JVW (42615e)

  50. Steve57:

    The guy is an Uber driver. It’s not in the linked article, but it is here:

    https://www.koin.com/news/local/clark-county/truck-with-pro-trump-stickers-set-on-fire-in-vancouver/1509110411

    Appalled (96665e)

  51. OK, but show me where Trump has ever claimed to be a paragon of dignity and comity as a politician.

    In other words, because Trump doesn’t claim to be a paragon of dignity, no dignity should be expected of him, and he should absolutely not be held to the same standards by which others are judged? (And isn’t he supposed to be “not a politician!”?)

    Be careful in asserting that Trump must not be judged on virtues he has not claimed. He has a habit of declaring himself better than all others in all kinds of ways.

    It’s remarkable how many people who claim to loathe double standards when they are deployed by the left will turn around and demand that double standards be applied in defense of Trump — someone who has boasted that he can get away with things that others cannot, and claimed that he has never done anything requiring forgiveness.

    The belief that Trump must not be judged as others are — because he’s just so special — is one of the more obnoxious features of Trumpism. It’s in part an appropriation of Trump’s own bloated self-regard and solipsistic ethics. Then there’s the quaint notion that when fans ritually declare “We knew we were voting for a flawed man,” it means that no one else has any moral right to mention his flaws. That is simply not a morally respectable viewpoint.

    Radegunda (b0ffbf)

  52. #48
    “At least we’re not hypocrites” is a line that liberals and leftists have often used against conservatives, and conservatives have said it’s morally bankrupt to claim that you can get away with anything as long as you’re not even pretending to aim for virtue. But now the “not a hypocrite!” defense is laudable if it serves Donald Trump.

    Is being an authentically egomaniacal boor now more laudable than trying to be decent? Or is that only the Trump Exemption, granted exclusively to the guy who boasted that he “could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any fans”?

    Radegunda (b0ffbf)

  53. It’s worth pointing out that this kind of destructive vandalism would be criminal whatever the arsonist’s ostensible reasons. A vandal who’ll burn a truck over a bumper sticker strikes me as a person who was looking for an excuse to burn a truck.

    If “hate crimes” should be treated as a null concept, that has to apply to property destruction as well as personal assault.

    Stephen J. (308ea7)

  54. In other words, because Trump doesn’t claim to be a paragon of dignity, no dignity should be expected of him, and he should absolutely not be held to the same standards by which others are judged? (And isn’t he supposed to be “not a politician!”?)

    Well, that’s certainly putting words in my mouth. I make no defense of Trump’s behavior, and if you had been on this site longer you would know that. But by the same token, I acknowledge that Trump doesn’t try to pretend to be anything other than who he is. That is not to grant him exemption from standard decency, no matter how badly you are spoiling for a fight over what you think I am trying to convey.

    If a guy spends his evenings boozing it up in bars and then going home with floozies, I think that is really horrible behavior. But if he does this without trying to damn others who engage in this behavior, then I can stomach his act far more than I can stomach the guy who piously proclaims his virtue while quietly boozing and whoring right next to him. That’s what I am pointing out here. If that is unclear to you then it’s your own damn fault.

    JVW (42615e)

  55. This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave. Uber is mentioned only once in the article.
    […]
    He took an Uber home after a few drinks in a bar. At no point does he claim to be an Uber driver.

    Maybe I just researched the story a bit more than you, hmm?

    MacKay, an Uber driver, also has a message for the person who took away his source of income. […]

    I look forward to your apology.

    Dave (9664fc)

  56. But if he does this without trying to damn others who engage in this behavior, then I can stomach his act

    Is the part about not damning others an accurate description of Donald Trump, though?

    He pretends to be a Christian (“nobody reads the Bible more than me”), and fails risibly.

    He pretends to be a paragon of virtue (“Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”).

    He denies any and all wrong-doing, including infidelity with women whose silence he has paid huge sums for, but mocks others like Al Franken, who likely did less, and resigned.

    He called Bill Clinton “a rapist”. He accused Hillary Clinton, on God knows what evidence, of being unfaithful in her marriage.

    I think there is a lot of evidence that Donald Trump will attack anyone, over anything, without the slightest regard for the truth, if he believes it will help him in some way.

    Dave (9664fc)

  57. “Trump doesn’t try to pretend to be anything other than who he is”

    This is hardly true. He just lies about different things. For example: being a self-made man.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  58. …I look forward to your apology.

    Dave (9664fc) — 10/11/2018 @ 1:11 pm

    I don’t see why I need to apologize for your stupidity. I never said he wasn’t an Uber driver. i said Uber was only mentioned once in the article. At no point in the linked article does he claim he’s an Uber driver.

    Uber is mentioned only once in the article.

    Tell me, Onanists, how is that statement not accurate?

    I didn’t bother to check if the Nissan Titan crew cab is on the approved Uver list of vehicles. If you were brighter, you’d know it doesn’t matter. What matters is, I researched into it more deeply than you did. Thanks for stepping in it, jackwagons.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  59. One thing you’re going to have to learn about me, Dave, is that I use words precisely.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  60. @59

    “One thing you’re going to have to learn about me, Dave, is that I use words precisely.”

    “Like “an army of Nazis marching in the streets” did you hallucinate that “fact,” too?”

    Precisely what fact was he hallucinating?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  61. One thing you’re going to have to learn about me, Dave, is that I use words precisely.

    Dishonestly, too.

    Dave (9664fc)

  62. Jamie Lee Curtis eats special yogurt so she doesn’t get constipated

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Jamie Lee Curtis eats special yogurt so she doesn’t get constipated

    The cool people call her “Baroness Haden-Guest” now, footsies.

    Dave (9664fc)

  64. Steve57, I suggest you review your comments regarding personal attacks.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  65. I think there is a lot of evidence that Donald Trump will attack anyone, over anything, without the slightest regard for the truth, if he believes it will help him in some way.

    He attacks his opponents and fights dirty, it is true. But you don’t see Trump preaching on the sanctity of marriage, and you don’t see him criticizing guys who are notorious for chasing women.

    He’s a phony and an absolute bulls****er, but he’s not a guy who supports socialism while owning three houses, nor is he a guy who preaches that the rich need to pay “their fair share” of taxes while at the same time taking every single step to minimize his own tax obligations.

    He used a pretty questionable method of avoiding service in Vietnam, but he doesn’t try to pretend that he somehow was serving a higher purpose by his absence. Had he served, he might be subject to greatly inflating his service record, like some other politicians have done, but since he didn’t serve he gets to avoid that temptation.

    He probably has an incomplete and contradictory vision of civil liberties, but he didn’t build up his political career by being a “tough of crime” prosecutor only to suddenly be a critic of the alleged “school to prison pipeline” when it becomes fashionable.

    Sure Trump is hypocritical in many ways — pretty much all politicians are — but I would assert to you that because he is comfortable in his own boorishness he is probably less hypocritical than most of ’em. But I understand if you disagree.

    JVW (42615e)

  66. #65. Pretty much.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  67. I disagree. Trump may not be preachy about things but that doesn’t mean he’s consistent or not hypocritical. IMO it means he has no principles he cares about. He is blatantly hypocritical about the few things he actually cares about — like playing golf even though he promised to stay in the White House and work, and taking frequent vacations even though he promised not to take a vacation.

    And if you want something more substantive, remember when Trump criticized Obama’s use of executive orders and his foreign policy, a foreign policy that Trump has embraced?

    DRJ (46c88f)

  68. Steve57 .. Oh Steve, who do you think you are fooling? It’s so very very sad to view:

    Steve 57 @47:

    Also: The guy claims to be an Uber driver and he uses a pick-up truck to carry fares? Is that done? I took my first Uber rides just last weekend, so I honestly don’t know, but I’d have been a bit a put off if a pick-up truck had shown up instead of a car. Maybe it’s normal in more rural areas, but …

    … would you put political bumper stickers on a vehicle that you drive for Uber, and make it likely that you p*ss off a significant fraction of your passengers?
    Dave (9664fc) — 10/11/2018 @ 8:40 am
    [Steve quoting Dave (italics), supra; Steve commenting on the quoted language from Dave, below:]

    This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave. Uber is mentioned only once in the article.

    The only inference, Steve, that a reader of normal intelligence and capacity could draw from your construction at 47, is that you were asserting that Dave’s assertion that McKay was an Uber driver was nonsensical – of the lowest possible analytic or intellectualy quality. For heaven’s sake — as you point out in your last sentence in the portion of 47 reproduced above: “Uber is mentioned only once in the article.” (which you go on to quote, and mirabile dictu, that reporting contains no account that McKay himself is Uber-related. Q.E.D)

    (Indeed, the linked-to article lacks that detail, though the KOIN report that the linked-to article links to, does not lack that detail.)

    Steve, Steve, Steve . . . can you really not see how sad this is? You have held yourself up to ridicule, not only in posting as you did in 47, but in thereafter denying that your posts mean what they so obviously do:

    at 58 [Steve writing:] I don’t see why I need to apologize for your stupidity. I never said he wasn’t an Uber driver. i said Uber was only mentioned once in the article. At no point in the linked article does he claim he’s an Uber driver.[Para.] Uber is mentioned only once in the article

    No, of course, you speak “precisely”. You never “said” McCay wasn’t an Uber driver, you merely all-but-proclaimed Dave to be an idiot for having written that he was one. And then you double down and pretend that it all ain’t so.

    Can you really not see how terribly, tragically sad this all is? Oh, Steve, I feel your pain, self-inflicted though it most certainly is. You do not have to be this way Steve. You can be a different, better human being — of that we should all be sure. The longest journey begins with but a single step. And an apology wouldn’t go amiss, I reckon, as that first step, young man.

    Q! (86710c)

  69. Trump may not be preachy about things but that doesn’t mean he’s consistent or not hypocritical.

    That’s a good way of putting it. Heaven knows that he is not consistent at all especially regarding what he wants us to believe he’s all about versus what he actually is all about, but as you point out he’s not preachy. That goes a long way with me.

    JVW (42615e)

  70. Steve57, see where this has gone? It wasn’t necessary to make this personal but now the conversation has become very personal for several commenters. Please stop now.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  71. A lot of people feel “preached to” by politicians. Maybe that is part of why some people like Trump.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  72. Audit the fed. And then dissolve. And no more b.s.

    mg (9e54f8)

  73. “He accused Hillary Clinton, on God knows what evidence, of being unfaithful in her marriage.”

    Was it the 3rd degree rug burns on her mouth?

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  74. There has only ever been one explanation, so far as I’ve been able to observe, which consistently explains what motivates Trump, whether one’s looking prospectively to predict his behavior, or retrospectively to explain why he’s done something.

    He says, and does, at every moment, what he thinks is best for the Trump Brand. This is the universal solvent which explains Trump.

    The paradigmatic example, the very best one out of thousands and thousands (for there are new examples daily), was when he was asked during the presidential campaign whether he thinks women who have abortions should be punished. He had to guess, on the spot, how a pro-life conservative would answer that question, because that was required to continue playing the part, the role, in which he was then engaged as part of the promotion of the Trump Brand. He guessed wrongly, in a way that was instantly, painfully obvious to everyone who’s ever had any kind of a serious conversation with or about pro-lifers. It was a failure in market research on his part, right? The quick mental calculation about which answer would be best for the Trump Brand took place, but in the absence of any understanding of the pro-life movement, he conspicuously missed.

    Not that it hurt him among his cult members, then or now.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  75. (If someone ever invents the universal solvent, what would we keep it in?)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  76. So there was a joint PR thing with Kanye and Trump. It was as bad as a thing could possibly be, to the point that I thought Trump would just cut him off and say “Stop talking, your breaking my brain”.

    Kanye West is a crazy person.

    Colonel Klink (1f9938)

    I caught some of it, some of what I heard made sense. You are sounding like those black commentators on CNN and MSNBC. When they start losing their schiff over Kanye West, do you ever wonder if polling indicates the Dems are losing support from potential black voters in large numbers?

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  77. (If someone ever invents the universal solvent, what would we keep it in?)

    not Jamie Lee Curtis’s colon that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. 75, yes but in the near term, will you see exceptions made for the FL and GA govs…nothing precludes split tickets in those races.

    urbanleftbehind (469781)

  79. not even a platoon, worth of punks, and they were outnumber 100 to one, but here’s the interesting part, McAuliffe telling the state police to stand down,

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. Steve57, see where this has gone? It wasn’t necessary to make this personal but now the conversation has become very personal for several commenters. Please stop now.
    DRJ (46c88f) — 10/11/2018 @ 2:53 pm

    I’m not the one who made it personal. I will not apologize for my enemies failures or lack of foresight. Where it goes is beyond my capacity to control.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  81. Q!, so you agree. I spoke accurately.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. um drj, did you miss that trump pulled out of the iran deal, I personally think it was too long in coming, but that was Tillerson and mcmaster’s foot dragging,

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. The only inference, Steve, that a reader of normal intelligence and capacity could draw from your construction at 47, is that you were asserting that Dave’s assertion that McKay was an Uber driver was nonsensical

    Uhh, no. the only inference a person of normal intelligence could draw was that there was nothing in The Hill article that established the victim was an Uber driver.

    Tell me I’m wrong.

    It’s crazy talk for anyone to say anything more. But crazy is order of the day, it seems. So this is my bit part in fighting it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. I never ruled out the possibility that Q! and/or Dave wouldn’t be sufficiently obsessive to argue with me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  85. The link went to the Hill piece that said McKay chose to take Uber home after leaving his vehicle in the parking lot. It did not say he was an Uber driver.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. Rex Tillerson actually makes the execrably dishonest and cowardly Colin Powell look like a marginally effective secretary of state

    if you squint just so

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. (If someone ever invents the universal solvent, what would we keep it in?)

    An anti-grav field, duh.

    Dave (ae6a90)

  88. A vacuum flask.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. What I don’t understand … if the universe is still expanding just exactly where (what place) is it expanding into?

    nk (dbc370)

  90. Among the other universes,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  91. Technically there is a void outside the universe

    Narciso (d1f714)

  92. @88

    https://phys.org/news/2013-11-universe.html

    “Come on, admit it, you’ve had this question. “Since astronomers know that the Universe is expanding, what’s it expanding into? What’s outside of the Universe?” Ask any astronomer and you’ll get an unsatisfying answer. We give you the same unsatisfying answer, but really explain it, so your unsatisfaction doesn’t haunt you any more.

    The short answer is that this is a nonsense question, the Universe isn’t expanding into anything, it’s just expanding.”

    Davethulhu (434408)

  93. What I don’t understand … if the universe is still expanding just exactly where (what place) is it expanding into?

    The California Legislature is looking to pass legislation preventing the universe from expanding without submitting an environmental impact statement first.

    JVW (42615e)

  94. (If someone ever invents the universal solvent, what would we keep it in?)

    In a glass jar, of course. The universal solvent will be actively dissolving the glass, but at a rate that will take longer than the universe has existed to complete.

    felipe (023cc9)

  95. Longer, or shorter, depending on the temperature – and , of course, we assume there is a sufficient amount of solvent.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. 88. Empty space nk. “Nature abhors a vacuum.”

    I’m no astrophysicist, but I’m just speculating that maybe all that vacuum is sucking the universe into it. (So maybe it’s a pull in addition to the big push, or big bang.)

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  97. Similar with antimatter, ideally you would keep inside some sort of magnetic field but what power would contain it.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  98. The short answer is that this is a nonsense question

    It is not!

    the Universe isn’t expanding into anything, it’s just expanding.”

    This doesn’t make sense. How can it expand without some spare room for it to expand into? So what is that spare room outside the universe?

    nk (dbc370)

  99. I should have added that the expansion is going faster over time, not slowing down oddly enough. That’s not easy to explain, although a vacuum pulling might help resolve the problem (maybe I read that theory somewhere).

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  100. And the universe is expanding in every direction, it’s like reed richards.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  101. We cross-posted, Tillman. That may very well be. A different kind of “empty”.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. In the spirit of things, I will say “in any leftist state.” Because it will not yield a “solution.”

    -groan-

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. nk, from a logical point of view, the space that it is moving into has to exist in some sense before the universe expands into it. Otherwise, you’re stuck with the idea of space being created on the fly so to speak. Of course, Occam’s razor would suggest postulating the former, since it’s simpler.

    The big bang may well be still underway too for all we know.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  104. Saying “This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave” and “I don’t see why I need to apologize for your stupidity” is personal.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. 75. Beldar, that reminds me of the problem they ran into when the “non-stick” in non-stick pans was being invented.
    (Channeling Festus.) Now, how do ye get the dern non-stick to stick to the pan, so the pan could be slippery in the pan, but the pan has to hold on to the slippery? It’s just the derndest thing I’ve ever seen!”

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  106. DRJ, cut Steve57 some slack. This explains his (and often, my own) behavior.

    felipe (023cc9)

  107. Maize Hirono, thinks restaurant protesters are simply motivated, yes that’s it

    Narciso (d1f714)

  108. On a happier topic (cf. 104, for example), the anonymous purchaser of Banksy’s brilliant ‘Girl With Balloon’ (officially renamed and re-certified, now, as “Love Is in the Bin”) has decided to go through with the purchase.

    The anonymous buyer says the work marks a seminal event.
    “When the hammer came down last week and the work was shredded, I was at first shocked,” she said in a statement, “but gradually I began to realize that I would end up with my own piece of art history.”

    Indeed. Genius. imo.

    There have been questions whether — and to what extent – Banksy may have collaborated with the auction house to pull off the elaborate stunt, which is an anti-capitalist critique of the art market.
    But Sotheby’s denies it was involved.

    Fairly clearly, someone at the Southby Auction House location in London was in on the act. But who? On this side of the pond, staffers at the offices of Lindsey Graham have confirmed that The Senator has his “most grave suspicions” that this “caper” has all the “hallmarks of a Dianne Feinstein operation”, and is said to be making appropriate inquiries in this regard. Reported the staffers: “The Senator is merely doing what any true art-lover such as himself would do, when presented with an act of such destruction, despair, and devilishness.”

    Q! (86710c)

  109. Banksy and the buyer deserve each other. To my taste, he’s always been more talented at buzz than anything else.
    Of course that alone is a rare genius because most good artists couldn’t make a living selling ice in the Arizona summer even if you gave them exclusive rights to the entire state

    steveg (a9dcab)

  110. Saying “This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave” and “I don’t see why I need to apologize for your stupidity” is personal.
    DRJ (15874d) — 10/11/2018 @ 9:15 pm

    You are half right. But pointing out the caverns between facts, connecting dots that don’t connect, and the leaps of faith required to maintain the narrative, is not personal.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  111. Don’t sweat it steve57. I find that the people who do the most whining about propriety and such can dish it out themselves. They just can’t take it. Thus Trumpalos and “punchable faces”. They’re much like leftists that way. Hence the affinities.

    Skorcher (e9f8a6)

  112. I don’t sweat much, Skorcher. I thought long and hard about to respond. Ultimately a simple statement of facts.

    I realize and respect that the infantrymen face an entirely different danger than those faced by me and my puny twenty year career. All of which was aimed at one thing. That they could gain ground.

    Have at it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  113. I suggest steve57 and Skorcher each take a two-day self-imposed timeout, or I believe you will be moderated for personal attacks.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  114. know jesus know peace no jesus no peace

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. That’s really what it’s all about, right?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  116. peace be with you Mr. 57

    especially now

    as winter stalks the land like a feral tiger circling a wounded trembling kit kat bar wrapper on the serengeti

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  117. Winter? C’mon happy, I know youre from the part of Texas where the pavement doesnt ever freeze, but seriously.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  118. I suggest steve57 and Skorcher each take a two-day self-imposed timeout, or I believe you will be moderated for personal attacks.

    DRJ (46c88f) — 10/12/2018 @ 7:41 am

    I am not going to self flagellate. You do what you want to do. I will speak the truth.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  119. I love reading Steve57 and Scorcher, relax, keyboard cops.

    mg (9e54f8)

  120. No soup! One Year!

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  121. We have commenting rules: Don’t make personal attacks. Claiming you are being factual or reasonable to justify personal attacks is not wise. Steve57, Skorcher, and mg should apologize.

    DRJ (15874d)

  122. For saying relax keyboard cops? Really?

    mg (9e54f8)

  123. it’s more the shortness of the days what bugs at me right now Mr. urban

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  124. Thank you, DRJ. We all make mistakes. Adults own up to their mistakes, large and small.

    I love reading Steve57 and Scorcher, relax, keyboard cops.

    mg (9e54f8) — 10/12/2018 @ 8:55 am

    Naw, this place was miserable before.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. DRJ, I do not apologigize for the, “This is the level of analysis I’ve come to expect from you Dave” portion of your complaint. That was the result of an objective analysis of the evidence.

    I will apologize for the stupidity comment.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  126. I do not think Dave is stupid. I am sorry I said so.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  127. Thank you very much.

    DRJ (15874d)

  128. Steve57, you have class.

    DRJ (15874d)

  129. Also, there were some really good openings for yo mama jokes here, such as yo mama so fat uber only sends her pickup trucks. Honestly this was poor form guys.

    It is interesting that Dave’s link says the arsonist took away a man’s livelihood as a taxi driver. I find it sad when someone makes that their primary vocation a lot of times. A rather unreliable and poor mileage truck as an uber vehicle is a long term poor business model, but you gotta eat and I gotta respect someone who works instead of taking handouts, no matter how humble. Really, if someone is destroying livelihoods in order to silence the ‘wrong’ political view, that’s terrorism plain and simple.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  130. But this time it seems Dave was right, Steve57, so maybe keep that in mind when you are evaluating other commenters?

    DRJ (15874d)

  131. How so, DRJ?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  132. Steve57, Skorcher, and mg should apologize.

    I’m sorry….for what? Was that a personal attack when I suggested that it is wrong to say that certain specific people have punchable faces? Was that wrong of me to say that that was wrong? Because I’m gonna need some clarification here.

    I’ll be off line for a bit as I have real work to do fixing the wiring in this old house because the previous owner had some real, real grudge against grounding wires. That said however, if I’m not back in like four hours…or tomorrow…or next week, could someone kindly call 911? That would be a big help, thanks.

    One last thought, since yo mamma jokes was brought up let me see if I can class up da joint…

    Mater tua tam obesa est ut cum Romae est, urbs habet octo colles!

    Skorcher (e9f8a6)

  133. I suppose we could go back and forth on this. But no matter which party they’re with, it needs to stop. Here’s Scott Wagner:

    Well, Governor Wolf, let me tell you what, between now and Nov. 6, you better put a catcher’s mask on your face, because I’m going to stomp all over your face with golf spikes.

    Okey Dokey then!

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  134. I was not aware that Scott Wagner commented here. What is his handle?

    Skorcher (e9f8a6)

  135. Patterico’s new commenting rules provide:

    Personal attacks on commenters (or me) are out. Criticizing the arguments is fine. Criticizing the person is not.

    IMO Steve57 violated that rule in his conversation with Dave and I asked him to apologize. He did.

    In the meantime, Skorcher 111 and mg 119 weighed in by obliquely objecting/criticizing my request to Steve57, even though they knew he had called Dave stupid. I guess they felt a need to support calling another commenter names. I like Steve57, too, but IMO it is not helpful to show support for name-calling. Thus, I am not whining, Skorcher, nor am I a keyboard cop, mg — unless it’s a cop who only issues requests and warnings. However, in the future, I will gladly dispense with warnings and requests for you both.

    DRJ (15874d)

  136. I believe Tillman is addressing the post, Skorcher, not our little issue.

    DRJ (15874d)

  137. One could refer to bill sienkewitz (a marginal scribe in the marvel stable) wishing violence against kavanaugh, well no one will take him up on that right.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  138. I think Dave was right that the person in the article may also be an Uber driver. It may not have been mentioned in the linked article but the link was based on an article at KOIN that was linked by the article in the post.

    So if you read the article linked in the post, as I know you did, and if you read the source article that it linked then you would have known that the victim is also an Uber driver. I assume Dave did that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  139. How did they establish That, why did he take an uber if he was one.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  140. I believe the article said he was drinking and left his truck because he decided not to drive home the night before:

    Johnny MacKay told KOIN News the incident occurred late Monday night, after he opted to take an Uber home after having a few drinks, leaving his Nissan Titan pickup in the Garage Bar and Grille’s parking lot.

    He was an Uber driver so he knew about it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  141. And now Wagners like “golf spikes? what the h was I thinking, should have said steel toe boots”.

    urbanleftbehind (469781)

  142. So we still think this was a hoax, or doesn’t history suggest it’s very possible.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  143. 136. You’re correct, DRJ.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  144. The latest nonsense here where I live is fools painting “This is STOLEN LAND” on public buildings and Historic Landmarks. They painted “Genecide” on the walls of the Old Mission instead of Genocide so they get an “A” in outrage and a “D” in execution. But an “A” for beheading a statue of Father Junipero Serra.
    They’ll eventually run afoul of a camera or two and then we’ll see if the DA has the stones to do more than woof and wobble

    steveg (a9dcab)

  145. DRJ- My dislike for Dave clouded my judgement. Sorry for the keyboard cop remark. I know better.

    mg (9e54f8)

  146. Actually, mg, it was funny but those are the rules. I really appreciate your candor.

    DRJ (15874d)

  147. As I’ve stated before, you are a saint, DRJ. Plenty of times I’ve been a train wreck without banishment. Mahalo.

    mg (da6caf)

  148. I need to start a business casting statues of Chairman Mao to replace the statues being torn down by the ignorant.
    Ignorance could be financial bliss.

    The Chinese army used to outfit their cannon fodder units in cheap army green Converse high top knock offs (the Burmese cannon fodder still uses them, evidently the Chinese idea of military aid differs from that of the USA) Those hats with the red star have always been the rage, but those Antifa people need footwear… maybe add a PVC toe and heel for kicking and stomping

    steveg (a9dcab)

  149. I doubt it will help, and the hard-core Trump supporters probably won’t believe me but…

    I don’t personally dislike or harbor ill will toward any of you. That includes the handful of you (who I won’t name) who are nasty to me 100% of the time.

    I am human and do occasionally lose my temper or get frustrated, but I view that as failing of mine and regret it afterward.

    I do wish we could discuss here as adults, under the terms Patrick recently laid out. Despite occasional violations, I think it’s undeniable that the stricter posting rules and the prohibition on personal attacks have improved the quality of the comments section immeasurably.

    And thank you, DRJ, for encouraging people to remain civil.

    Dave (9664fc)

  150. What this thread shows is people trying, Dave. We all cross the line sometimes.

    DRJ (15874d)

  151. steveg, I like your statue business. It’s sad but there’s always ignorance, and finding a way to make money off it fairly is an inspired idea.

    DRJ (15874d)

  152. It’s been a lot like the old days since Patterico put his foot down.

    nk (dbc370)


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