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10/8/2018

Insane Behavior in Our Polarized Times

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:21 pm

I’m not totally sure the present day is more polarized politically than other times. We’re constantly told that, but aren’t people always told that? That said, it may be true — and if you’re looking for anecdotal evidence, it’s everywhere.

Take these leftist zombies clawing at the doors of the Supreme Court. Brains!

Or this aggressive woman slapping down a pro-Trump and Kavanaugh and anti-Ford sign held up by an older man:

(Sorry about the whole Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet thing, but that’s the only place I have seen the video.)

What kind of rhetoric could wind people up so much? Maybe rhetoric about a thousand-year Reich?

On MSNBC, editor of Above the Law Elie Mystal was on a panel discussing the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, along with Associate Editor of Commentary Noah Rothman, MSNBC analyst Zerlina Maxwell, and SiriusXM host Danielle Moodie-Mills.

. . . .

Mystal said that the question of whether the bump for the GOP sticks, but rather what will Democrats do in November. The turnout has to be high not just for a midterm but at a level that would be high in a presidential election, he argued.

“That’s what we’re about to see. We’re going to see if this reign that they now have control over all three branches of government, we’re going to see if this reign lasts for thirty days, or two years, or a thousand-year Reich,” he said.

Then there’s the Georgetown law professor who maintains a web site in which she publishes the personal information of people who send her emails she doesn’t like:

PJ Media reviewed hundreds of posts (yes, hundreds) on “ShitMenSay” and identified 11 accounts of full-on doxxing, for which home addresses, phone numbers, photos, aliases, and occasionally work phone numbers and other family members were made public.

. . . .

Another man, B, said he was doxxed within a day of sending Fair an email that contained his phone number in the signature line.

“Then I got 30 emails with the subject line ‘ASSHAT’ or something like that and some of the contents of those emails contained attachments with very disturbing images. Very gruesome. People.”

“Were they dead or alive?” I asked B during a phone interview on Sunday.

“That I don’t know. I only completely opened one email attachment, and was too afraid to open any others,” B told PJ Media. Then B got a phone call from a man who said he knew where B lived, claiming that he was calling on behalf of Professor Fair.

(Said in a sing-song Homer Simpson voice) Yes, it’s clear that the left, and only the left, has gone insane. And that the only rational response is to punch back twice as hard. (End Homer voice.)

Oh, by the way: then there’s this. Orlando Sentinel:

A Winter Haven man faces a felony charge after deputies say he made Facebook posts threatening to “sacrifice my life” and “kill who needs to be killed” if Judge Brett Kavanaugh is not confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

James Royal Patrick Jr., 53, was arrested Wednesday and charged with one count of written threats to kill or injure. He’s being held in the Polk County Jail on a $500,000 bond.

On Wednesday morning, Polk County deputies received an email tip alerting them to several Facebook posts Patrick made threatening violence if Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court is rejected. . . .

“I can tell it seems I will be sacrificing my life for my country,” Patrick wrote, according to authorities.”But I am ready and will know who needs to be killed after the vote to put Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.”

In another post, deputies say Patrick wrote, “I expect to be confronted and I will be ready to kill and ready to die.” In other posts, Patrick claimed to have weapons and ammunition.

He also said he wakes up in the middle of the night thinking about killing Democratic congressmen and their families, according to authorities.

Within five hours of receiving the tip, Polk County deputies obtained and executed a warrant on Patrick’s Avenue C home. They discovered a .308 caliber hunting rifle, Desert Eagle handgun and ammunition for both weapons, authorities said.

If the Trump phenomenon has taught me anything, it has highlighted the obvious fact that there are lunatics on both sides of the aisle. Indeed, the last story is the worst of the five.

The key is to oppose insanity anywhere and everywhere you see it — and not to pretend as though it happens only on one side.

(Sorry to harsh your tribal mellow.)

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

178 Responses to “Insane Behavior in Our Polarized Times”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. facebook is mentally unhealthy for people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. For sure, any credible threat of violence must be followed up. Meanwhile overt actions in daylight, on video, continue uninterrupted because what is actually done remains a mystery until some legal (evidence?) bar is passed – I’m thinking of the guy who kicked a pro life woman. Has an arrest been made?

    felipe (023cc9)

  4. That protest outside the doors of the Supreme Court is why liberals lose.

    Paul Montagu (c7580b)

  5. Yet more evidence that we have freed too many people from the basic tasks of growing and gathering food. If those tasks occupied more of people’s time then there simply would not be enough left over for such idiocy.

    Soronel Haetir (86a46e)

  6. Hulk is strongest one there is! Hulk smash!

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  7. is the old guy really right though about dipstick Christine Ford being a good liar

    i knew she was lying right off

    and not just me

    i think *everyone* knew she was lying

    Diane Feinstein knew for sure that’s why she had to time everything just so

    and Christine didn’t sell it at all, that whole thing where she said Mark and Brett tried to do rape on her

    people were like no you’re just a big liar Christine

    a big fat creepy liar who talks like a ten year old

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. oopers *Dianne* Feinstein i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. attacks on republicans have begun while out campaigning and putting up campaign signs good government establishment democrat leadership discredited and can no longer control democrat base for corporate deep state. nobody killed yet.

    lany (f17574)

  10. Trump dismissed the allegations against Kavanaugh — including that he sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford when the two were in high school — as “a hoax that was set up by the Democrats.”

    yup it was a hoax set up by Democrats

    Christine’s whole silly rape joke was just a trick!

    (embarrassing for her family)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Every time I see idiocy of this sort reported, I take a deep breath and remind myself that the press has a dog in this fight. Neither the right nor the left has a monopoly on irrationality, but our “news media” has a vested interest in seeing to it that the fight continues.

    John B Boddie (487ce8)

  12. It occurs to me that the lefties have now forgone all pretenses as far as being “moderate” for want of a better word. Their hatred of this country, it’s ideals and worse are now brazenly out in the open. It’s not a secret anymore. These are not just “Socialists”, but in fact treasonous scum that are out to destroy this country as we know it.

    While there are nuts on both sides, the overt actions of the left are beyond dangerous to say the least

    The funny part is if they succeed, they will be shocked as the “Rulers” they install then go after them, just as Stalin, Hitler, Castro and Mao did because that is always the end result.

    joetote (ca8fe2)

  13. The birth of the Brown Shirts. No sheperds or wise men brought any gifts.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  14. Patton was insane too … in search of a just cause.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  15. Pro Life Kicker will get no time.

    Left has a perverted justice system they manage and there are lots of people who are OK with it.

    Check clears. We are GOOD!

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  16. so dipstick rape liar Christine Ford’s best friend is a sleazy FBI trashcan named monica mclean who used to work for corrupt sleazer Preet Bharara?

    sounds legit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Georgetown professor Fair removed from classes after wishing ‘miserable deaths’ and castration on white GOP senators…

    Professor Fair is Jewish.
    Let that be clear.

    g6loq (fc61d6)

  18. you know who else is jewish is neil diamond

    good times never seemed so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. And like they weren’t loopy enough, they want to legalize marijuana.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. “legalize” means they tax the holy hell out of it but what’s most bizarre is how even in colorado you have to go to a special store to get your marijuana

    to me legalized means you can get it on the marijuana aisle at jewel

    but i set the bar really high on this whole freedom thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. that level of ‘legalization’ — which i’d prefer, to be clear; i think there is no good reason to treat marijuana differently than alcohol — could not get adopted by any legislature or ballot initiative in the country. we have to have smaller steps first.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  22. If the SCOTUS hearing was a job interview, the left’s reaction was a job interview too.

    Do you want the likes of Crazy Girl pounding and clawing at the doors of the Court to run our country?!

    I’m predicting a red wave, which will be more of an anti-crazy wave, but there it is. The Dems have finished off the remnants of their party left by Obama’s foolishness. Maybe that’s a good thing.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  23. This is just a noisy time.

    1968 was much more polarized. Cities burned, riots raged, body counts in the hundreds tallied every week slain in a war televised into your living room… ‘in color’… and national political figures were actually shot and killed. But we did have ‘Laugh-In.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. Hordes of crazed Leftoids, in the Senate gallery, at the Supreme Court, on all the news programs . . . but finally someone’s found a crazed Rightie (on whom the police pounced, pronto). Thank goodness, now we can play the equivalence game and pretend that “there are faults on both sides.”

    Phew, that was close. . .

    tom swift (b86469)

  25. but finally someone’s found a crazed Rightie

    I guess you mean “a crazed Rightie even worse than the drooling lunatic who leads the tribe.

    Dave (9664fc)

  26. again ignorance here is astounding! schumer and fienstein are NOT leftys who led the blasey ford charge. they are corporate establishment democrats who have just been discredited. those screaming harpies were clinton supporters not sanders supporters. you are about to find out what real lefty democrats will be like when they kick the schumer and fiensteins out of power in the democrats party. think pelosi is to far left wait till alexandra ocasio-cortez leads the democrats in congress.

    lany (f17574)

  27. people forget the most important and wonderful wave’s in the bag already

    meghan’s coward-ass daddy gone daddy gone

    countless suck-sucks in his Republican Main Street Partnership gone gone gone (eg)

    stinky-butt weirdo jeff flake he gone too

    ugly pig-lady bye bye bye

    bad touch Mitt Romney’s slimy-slick baby boy Paul Ryan gone

    it’s so good you wanna have two scoops

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. 23 wrong most white people who were 90% of voters were against protestors. mcgovern was beaten by humphrey in 1968 and wiped out by nixon in 1972. white voters will only be 67% in 2020.

    lany (f17574)

  29. @28. Except it’s not. And ‘you can bet your sweet bippy’ on it. But do have a good day.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. not amuaing, Pikachu, who are the rocket surgeons in your neck of the woods, the latin version of sharyl adkinson, is up against donna Shalala, for that district, and she’s being dissed by the ex husband of a Univision girl,

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. now there was a crazy berserker down south of the equator, who stabbed the outsider candidate in brazil, he nearly garned 48% of the vote, about 20% higher than the polls projected,

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. raw story, remember who runs that hive of scum and villainy, without skipping a beat, said scalise was an accomplice to his stabbing,

    narciso (d1f714)

  33. there will be many more ocasio-cortez clones knocking off establishment clinton democrats in primaries in 2020 and fienstein may be knocked out in november.

    lany (f17574)

  34. Feinstein will not be knocked out in November. I’ll be voting for her opponent, but the latest PPIC poll (http://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/crosstabs-likely-voters-0918.pdf) shows her up eleven points, beating de Leon *amongst Latinos*, and winning in almost every demographic group in the state.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  35. sorry shooting, that congressman in California, rudy peters was stabbed, not a through and through, but whose counting,

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. yes, even the people’s republic is willing to go so far, incrementally what this means is she will adopt much of deleon’s positions,

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. There is no need to apologize for psi Joseph Watson check out his rants on modern art and brutalist architecture

    Nick (42147a)

  38. Calling all zombies? Cut to 3:15 mark… https://youtu.be/HlUC6gUfE7g

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  39. Yes felipe, that clown has been arrested, for that kick and for another assault.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. Fired from his job, as well.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. 34… going “full Venezuela”, aphrael?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. It is passing strange – these people…don’t seem to understand what the supreme court is or what it actually does. Brett Kavanaugh is just one of nine justices. They only weigh in on issues that are brought before the court for a decision, and Roberts picks the cases. Almost 8,000 cases are appealed t the supreme court each year, but only 80 are decided there. They select cases because at least 4 of the nine justices vote to hear the case. Kavanaugh might, at best, hear 1,000 cases in his lifetime.

    So nothing much has really change, the same four liberals can force the court to hear whatever they want. Same with the four conservatives. They can only hear cases brought before them.

    Kavanaugh’s work on the district court was not especially controversial or strange. Pretty much main line slightly conservative. Justice Kennedy was his friend and mentor, and had a lot to do with his selection for the supreme court. he probably thinks Kavanaugh isn’t all that different from himself.

    I just don’t get the crazy vitriol.

    George Orwell's Ghost (ba96d1)

  43. 26 – Lany: “you are about to find out what real lefty democrats will be like……”

    Those are the ones with the butcher knives waiting for Republicans to knock on their doors, right?

    harkin (adce92)

  44. Independents disapprove of Democrats’ handling of the Brett Kavanaugh nomination by a 28-point margin

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/independents-disapprove-of-democrats-handling-of-the-brett-kavanaugh-nomination-by-a-28-point-margin

    harkin (adce92)

  45. everyone hates stinky rape liar Christine Ford

    independents and Rs hate her cause they’re decent people what hate dippy rape liars

    and the left hates her cause she bungled her one job (selling her joke rape lie)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. @44

    They also disapproved the the Republican’s handling by a 21% margin.

    Link to the survey rather than the fish wrap you linked: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/10/08/rel9a.-.kavanaugh.pdf

    Davethulhu (434408)

  47. Who would’ve thought Ruth Bader-Meinhoff is a racisty racist?

    “Since joining the high court in 1993, Ginsburg has hired over 100 law clerks, just one of whom is black.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. Damned autocorrect!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. Teh Shrieking Hutu Party welcomes Linda Sarsour…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. “They also disapproved the the Republican’s handling by a 21% margin.”

    Not sure why anyone would disapprove of trying to get all the info but thanks, good to know the side that went after truth and not feelings came out ahead.

    harkin (adce92)

  51. Teh poisonous academic identity politics of the Shrieking Hutu Party👀

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Everything is about race… everything is about gender. Pitting one group against another. It is ALL they have.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. “The key is to oppose insanity anywhere and everywhere you see it — and not to pretend as though it happens only on one side.”

    I think we all know that the lunacy, while occuring on both sides, is far-and-away predominately leftist. To pretend that it’s equally on both sides of the aisle is also nothing less than a denial of reality.

    Gryph (08c844)

  54. 52. Don’t forget about sexuality, Haiku. Everything is about race, gender, and who you’re doinking.

    Gryph (08c844)

  55. @50 Among registered voters the numbers are almost identical 20-21% disapproval of both parties.

    Davethulhu (434408)

  56. Boinking that was the term of art in the early 80s around the time of risky business but before revenge of the nerds.

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. Spot on, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  58. Boink-fest” was utilized in Clueless (1995)

    harkin (adce92)

  59. Not the picture but the context which links to the journal:

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/08/antifa-takes-over-portland-harasses-old-man-for-disobeying/

    Narciso (d1f714)

  60. Robert Redford: ‘I Feel Out of Place in the Country I Was Born Into’

    https://www.indiewire.com/2018/10/robert-redford-politics-i-feel-out-of-place-in-the-country-i-was-born-into-1202010083/

    Try the socialist paradise of Venezuela pal.

    CARACAS (Reuters) – Venezuelan consumer prices rose 488,865 percent in the 12 months ending in September

    harkin (adce92)

  61. Hordes of crazed Leftoids, in the Senate gallery, at the Supreme Court, on all the news programs . . . but finally someone’s found a crazed Rightie (on whom the police pounced, pronto). Thank goodness, now we can play the equivalence game and pretend that “there are faults on both sides.”

    Of course, the rightie mentioned in the post is far worse than all the lefties mentioned combined. Not that you appear too upset by his behavior. True to partisan form, you seem more upset at me for pointing it out. But if this guy were a leftist, you’d be ALL OVER IT.

    Just please don’t pretend you care about bad behavior, tom swift. You care ONLY about bad behavior by the left. Period. Full stop.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  62. I think we all know that the lunacy, while occuring on both sides, is far-and-away predominately leftist. To pretend that it’s equally on both sides of the aisle is also nothing less than a denial of reality.

    Before Trumpalos, I would have agreed.

    Now? Not so much.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  63. Um there,have been three attacks on legislators paul Peters and Scalia’s,
    Two senators were in contact with the perpetrator of the last before he committee the act, throw the book at this idiot in winter haven, but let’s look at Apple’s and

    Narciso (d1f714)

  64. But we did have ‘Laugh-In.’

    Couldn’t do Laugh-in today. Almost nothing doen by Artie Johnson, Ruth Buzzi or Goldie Hawn would get past one or more latter-day scolds.

    To which I say: “Verrrrry interesting ……but shtupid!”

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  65. Not Monty python, a matter John please would get beheaded in the haj segment.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  66. Cleese, of course they helped deride and dissolve all the institutions that mattered

    Narciso (d1f714)

  67. America does not work very well for the corporate state when the democrat leftist base is allowed to run uncontrolled like the far right. The far right is not a threat to the corporate deep state.

    lany (99a18a)

  68. Who would’ve thought Ruth Bader-Meinhoff is a racisty racist?

    I just learned that term yesterday!

    (Actually I didn’t, it’s just a running family joke.)

    Patterico (115b1f)

  69. This extreme behavior is the result of a carefully orchestrated campaign of scaremongering (They’re going to outlaw abortions! And the pill! And put us all in camps!) on the Left, along with similar campaigns on the Right (see Infowars for examples).

    When you do that, most people will treat it for what it is — outrageous rhetoric. Some will do that selectively. And a few will accept the call to arms and treat the “threat” as a moral duty to oppose.

    Given the level of the rhetoric, I’m surprised that we’ve not seen more targeted violence. After all in 1968 we had two major assassinations, several insurrections and the siege of the Democrat convention in Chicago, and then the crippling of George Wallace a few years later.

    I’m guessing either security is better now, or the fringe whackjobs are less capable.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  70. Of course, the rightie mentioned in the post is far worse than all the lefties mentioned combined

    Why? He just SAID he’d do some unspecified things. I’d be willing to bet the number of people who act out on threats is low. There is no indication that he was making any effort to implement them (his guns — a rifle and a pistol — were not the usual arsenal we find with mass killers).

    The one on the left? They did actual things. They went down to the SC building and tried to bash their way in. They doxxed real people. And so forth.

    If you really wanted to see what the relative insanity, left or right, was you’d look at Congressional hate mail and correlate.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  71. Colonel Haiku — the allegation that Kevin de Leon represents ‘going full Venezuela’ is absurd.

    My fundamental position has *for years* been that electing an 85-year-old to a six-year term of office is dangerous because there’s an unacceptably high risk that cognitive decline will render the person incapable of doing the job before the end of the term. I might have a difficult decision to make if a Republican advanced out of the primary, because my position has been for years that I do not wish to cast a ballot which will encourage Trumpists — but that’s not in issue, so I see no reason to even consider voting for the incumbent.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  72. >They’re going to outlaw abortions!

    given that the President promised to only appoint justices who would overturn Roe, and given that in the absence of Roe on the order of half the states would ban abortion in a heartbeat, how is this scaremongering?

    > And the pill!

    given that _Casey_ relies heavily on the theoretical framework of privacy introduced by _Griswold_, on what basis would we conclude that _Griswold_ isn’t potentially on the chopping block?

    aphrael (3f0569)

  73. Technically Gavin news on would go as far prof as the,assembly would let him, now the navy still has a bade in the bay area right?

    Narciso (d1f714)

  74. @65. Suspect ‘Archie Bunker’ couldn’t make it to air today, either, Kevin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. electing an 85-year-old to a six-year term of office is dangerous because there’s an unacceptably high risk that cognitive decline will render the person incapable of doing the job before the end of the term

    I view that as a plus. X in the center square to block.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  76. It’s a much harder but to crack say a,South Dakota law came up before the court, a,return to status quo ante might happen in that circuit say around 1979.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  77. The man did claim:

    Patrick admitted to making the posts and told authorities he wanted to annoy liberals by making “crazy statements,” authorities said. Patrick said he didn’t intend to carry out the threats and thought he would be able to get away with it.

    I wonder why he thought he could get away with it? And in fairness local authorities would find more than a hunting rifle, a pistol, and ammo for same if they searched my house.

    Of course, the rightie mentioned in the post is far worse than all the lefties mentioned combined.

    True, worse than the lefties mentioned. Wasn’t there someone recently who advocated for the death of all white men with the added benefit of lopping off their penis and feeding them to pigs? Granted, that wasn’t included here. Also, wasn’t there something recent about a purple haired clown kicking a pro-life activist? Maybe those stories will have an ending that involves the police.

    Now, that I think about it, the dancing lady in the post wasn’t so bad until the assault. But, yes, a threat of violence is much worse by far than a fly girl smacking an old man.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  78. Kevin M – I do not consider it a ‘plus’ to have my representative in the US Senate be cognitively incapable of doing the job. It’s bad for the state and bad for the country.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  79. 62. My mother was a Trump voter (not in the primaries, but in the general), and she really can’t bring herself to say anything bad about him. She’s not the unhinged type, which may be why I really can’t bring myself to say anything bad about my mother. You know how it is…

    Gryph (08c844)

  80. “If the Trump phenomenon has taught me anything, it has highlighted the obvious fact that there are lunatics on both sides of the aisle.”

    What the Kavanaugh phenomenon taught us is that establishment types can suspend their TDS just long enough to get one of their own sworn in.

    Munroe (fb1349)

  81. aphrael,

    I very much doubt that Roberts has any interest in overturning Roe or Casey. From what I’ve heard, neither does Kavanaugh. Alito would, and Thomas might. Gorsich is an unknown. But I see reversal at 3 votes max.

    This is one of the problems of the left-right divide. Many people have utterly no idea of the nuances of the other side’s thinking. They cannot tell a Pelosi from a DeLeon from a John Lewis. Conversely, they think Romney, Trump and David Duke are all alike.

    The 5 “conservatives” on the new Court are likely to vote lockstep on some things (e.g. the second amendment or the “takings” clause), but on other things they will split, as will the left (e.g. 4th and 5th amendment issues).

    If they were to do anything with the “abortion right” it will be in the area of “reasonable regulation” (e.g. allowing state health departments to inspect/license clinics, something now in the lower courts). It really should not be an absolute right and those who want it so are just as nuts as the 2nd Amendment absolutists.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  82. Kevin M – I do not consider it a ‘plus’ to have my representative in the US Senate be cognitively incapable of doing the job. It’s bad for the state and bad for the country.

    It does depend on what the job is that they are doing, and whether it’s harmful in itself. There is an argument that Feinstein is already around the bend.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  83. @80. Well, revisit the mean age of the life expectancies for white males of property when the founding documents were quilled. For example, 35 years of age for the chief executive was a reasonably mature age back in the day but today it’s considered a young age for a man or woman. ‘Course today any public ‘test’ would be simply the rigors of enduring a campaign for office and the voters can decide. But we do require seniors past a certain age to re-qualify more frequently for DLs and such. In other lines of work, where the responsibility and expense of life and property may be at risk. there is a mandatory retirement age. Airline pilots and so forth. But it’s really up to voters to screen out those they feel are ‘cognitively incapable.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. So 90% of the violence is coming – and has come from the Left- but your lesson learned is there are lunatics on both sides.

    Well, okey-dokey.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  85. Ginsberg looked awful at the Confirmation ceremony – you have to wonder how long she’ll last.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  86. BTW, Charles Sykes is forming a “concerned Conservatives for Elizabeth Warren” PAC, in case anyone wants to join.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  87. #85 Gotta pay for college somehow.

    Bob (9af831)

  88. @ #82: “I very much doubt that Roberts has any interest in overturning Roe or Casey”

    I agree with this. Sending the question of abortion in its entirety back to the states…..which is where it should have been left….is a bit of a nuclear bomb for state politics — the dog catcher will be grilled on his abortion bona fides. No 5-4 decision is going to change any hearts or minds on abortion. I agree that perhaps it gets narrowed in terms of allowable state regulations but much of the huffing and puffing on the Left is like the huffing and puffing about Obamacare.

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  89. Suspect ‘Archie Bunker’ couldn’t make it to air today, either, Kevin.

    Prime-time family hour, no.

    But the White House, yes.

    Dave (9664fc)

  90. One of my favorite lines, from an all-time favorite play is NOT applicable to our SCOTUS reality: “Thanks for the liberty, Mr. Roberts.”

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  91. @ aphrael: Which state do you expect is about to test the continued validity of Griswold v. Connecticut by imposing a ban on condoms?

    There is no constituency to do that anymore. There was barely any constituency for it in 1965, the year it was decided (pre-Pill).

    Here, from a part of the ridiculously splintered opinion of Justices O’Connor, Kennedy, and Souter that actually picked up enough votes to be a majority “opinion of the Court” in Casey, is a summary of precedent on stare decisis and the overturning of precedent:

    So in this case we may enquire whether Roe‘s central rule has been found unworkable; whether the rule’s limitation on state power could be removed without serious inequity to those who have relied upon it or significant damage to the stability of the society governed by it; whether the law’s growth in the intervening years has left Roe‘s central rule a doctrinal anachronism discounted by society; and whether Roe‘s premises of fact have so far changed in the ensuing two decades as to render its central holding somehow irrelevant or unjustifiable in dealing with the issue it addressed.

    That drill, that same checklist, must be run by every SCOTUS in overruling its own prior precedent. If Roe is overturned, it will be because a new majority comes up with a different set of answers than the fragmented Casey Court did. But for Griswold, what’s the argument that having condoms available for lawful sale “has been found unworkable”? And who’s going to make that argument, and how is a justiciable controversy going to arise that the federal courts even have the power to hear?

    Claiming that Griswold is in danger is several bridges too far, my friend.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  92. An angry mob’: Republicans work to recast Democratic protests as out-of-control anarchy

    Washington Post headline
    __ _

    Varad Mehta
    @varadmehta
    Shorter WaPo: “Republicans criticize protesters who tried to tear down doors of Supreme Court.”

    harkin (adce92)

  93. Mea culpa, the pill came on the market in 1960. But it’s a distinction without a difference.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  94. @87. Her attire was a fashion statement for the occasion; but there was also some old fella there with orange hair who didn’t look all that appealing, either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. I’m not eager to see contraception outlawed, but I do want to see an end to Supreme Court opinions that rely on penumbras and the sweet mysteries of life in overturning state law on subjects about which the Constitution is utterly silent.

    OT: How ’bout those Astros?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  96. Kevin deLeon’s Positions:

    BUILDING OUR CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE
    Kevin’s work in the California Senate has proven to the world that clean energy isn’t just a pipe dream; it is the pillar of a strong economy. Today, our state is combating climate change with policies that grow our economy, create new jobs, and use less fossil fuel than ever before. Kevin set California on the path to 50% renewable energy by 2030, and we’re way ahead of schedule. Now, he wants to take California’s climate leadership to Washington, D.C. and fight for a 100% clean energy future.

    MOVING COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
    With a firm understanding of the contributions of the undocumented community to California’s culture and economy, Kevin has led the fight against President Trump’s direct attacks on our immigrant communities. He believes it’s time for Washington, D.C. to act on immigration reforms that provide a path to citizenship, reduce immigration court backlogs, and clear out overcrowded detention centers. Kevin has been a strong advocate for immigrant families ever since he got his start as a community organizer because he knows California’s diversity is its greatest strength.

    CHAMPIONING THE $15 MINIMUM WAGE
    Working families should not be forced to live in poverty. Partnering with working families, Kevin fought for a living wage in California. In 2016, Kevin pushed the state legislature to approve a plan to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Now millions of Californians are earning higher wages and providing more financial security for their families. Kevin also supports a living wage index, which would tie the federal minimum wage to cost of living expenses and enable working families across the country to cover their basic needs. As a tireless advocate for the working class, Kevin will continue to fight for fair wages, equal treatment, and economic justice from Washington, D.C.

    MOVING COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
    With a firm understanding of the contributions of the undocumented community to California’s culture and economy, Kevin has led the fight against President Trump’s direct attacks on our immigrant communities. He believes it’s time for Washington, D.C. to act on immigration reforms that provide a path to citizenship, reduce immigration court backlogs, and clear out overcrowded detention centers. Kevin has been a strong advocate for immigrant families ever since he got his start as a community organizer because he knows California’s diversity is its greatest strength.

    SECURING MEDICARE-FOR-ALL
    Not only is healthcare a basic human right, it’s a matter of human dignity. As leader of the California Senate, Kevin moved single-payer legislation to ensure all Californians have access to healthcare. Too many Americans are left behind by a system that doesn’t cover everyone. When Americans aren’t covered, our chronic homelessness crisis gets worse, student debt skyrockets, and our middle class gets weaker. That’s why Kevin is committed to working with Senator Bernie Sanders to pass Medicare-for-All.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. The best part of the Age of Trump … people self-identify

    Neo (d1c681)

  98. Have any problem with any of those positions aphrael?

    Narciso (d1f714)

  99. What are the latest Cox numbers? Will the red wave get to him? That answers the Feinstein question a little.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  100. Apropos to the post, the Washington Post’s headline to night is:

    GOP adopts midterm strategy of recasting Democratic protests as “an angry mob”

    The report opens:

    When thousands of furious, screaming protesters marched toward the Capitol over the weekend as Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh was confirmed, Republican staffers peered out at the scene from the windows above.

    Those on the left have just revealed what has always been there. No recasting necessary. It’s an awful thing to realize how many seriously angry and unhinged people there are are around us.

    Dana (023079)

  101. Dana,

    Check your email.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  102. @95. It might be the only outfit she owns.

    https://youtu.be/AriOjUfbBrw

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  103. CHAMPIONING THE $15 MINIMUM WAGE

    Thomas Sowell truth-bomb incoming! [emphasis added]

    Making it illegal to pay less than a given amount does not make a worker’s productivity worth that amount – and, if it is not, that worker is unlikely to be employed. Yet minimum wage laws are almost always discussed politically in terms of the benefits they on workers receiving those wages. Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws, and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they either lose their jobs or fail to find jobs when they enter the labor force.
    Basic Economics (4th ed.)

    Dave (9664fc)

  104. “All this pomp and frivolity… phooey! In my day, we chewed glass… and we liked it!”

    https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screen-Shot-2018-10-08-at-22.52.02-600×409.png

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. “They will never take away my right to have my uterus scraped!”

    https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screen-Shot-2018-10-08-at-22.52.02-600×409.png

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2018 @ 9:33 pm

    “…and when I gave him borrowing privileges on my Long Dong Silver collection, you should have seen his face light up…”

    Dave (9664fc)

  107. @92. I don’t know. A very careful examination of Thomas’s dissent across a variety of cases clearly establishes his view that a variety of condoms lack any sort of constitutional protection. Not all of them, but I think the French tickler and most of the ribbed varieties will surely be outlawed within our lifetime.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  108. Ha!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. Making it illegal to pay less than a given amount does not make a worker’s productivity worth that amount — and, if it is not, that worker is unlikely to be employed.

    A lie converted into meaninglessness.

    The lie: Making it illegal to pay less than a given amount does not make a worker’s productivity worth that amount
    Isn’t the so-called free market based on the theory that a commodity is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it? If the government says, or the worker says, or God says, I have to pay the Chik-Fil-A employee $15.00/hour and I keep eating at Chik-Fil-A, then isn’t that worker’s productivity worth that much to me? And isn’t the obverse of that just as true? That the worker will give you the productivity he thinks he is being paid or?

    The conversion into meaninglessness: – and, if it is not, that worker is unlikely to be employed.
    Duh!

    Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws,

    In what universe? How did you come up with that? Even slaves got something to eat, something to wear, and a place to sleep.

    and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they either lose their jobs or fail to find jobs when they enter the labor force.

    Since when? Nothing has been more responsible for the creation of wealth in the Western world than the improvement of the wages and working conditions of the workers over the last 100 years. Two words: Archie Bunker. No, not his politics. His job at the loading dock, his stay-at-home wife, his own house, his live-in college student son-in-law, his savings to buy his own business.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Justice Kavanaugh may be looking for a test case, to resurrect the Dormant Third Amendment. I think that through the proper lens, Obamacare can be viewed as a forced quartering of troops in people’s homes in peacetime.

    People will die from this, mark my words.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  111. Beldar–

    The number one reason that Casey is safe is that nearly every living American woman has had the option at some point in their child-bearing years. More than half have never known it to be otherwise. That’s a high hurdle to get past.

    But it can be nibbled at.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  112. Beldar–

    Los Angeles is trying to find ways to “encourage” the quartering of the homeless in people’s back yards. They will pay for the construction of a casita if you promise to house a homeless person in it. How long until they use force?

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  113. I do want to see an end to Supreme Court opinions that rely on penumbras

    But what about emanations?

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  114. Isn’t the so-called free market based on the theory that a commodity is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it?

    No.

    If you agree to buy a $1 bill from me for $10, that does not, in general, make it worth $10.

    If you were playing some strange form of liar’s poker, and needed a bill with exactly that serial number to win a large payout, it *might* make the dollar bill worth $10 (or more). But what gives the item its worth is what you can do with it after the purchase, not the price you paid for it.

    Likewise, the worth of purchased labor is the worth of what it can do, not the price paid for it.

    If you paid somebody $15, and in that time they produced a widget worth $5, then the worth of their time can’t exceed $5.

    On the other hand, if you paid somebody $15, and they gave you manufacturing process for transparent aluminum, or a proof that P = NP, or mined 10 bitcoins for you, etc, then the worth of their labor would be worth much more than $15, despite what you paid for it.

    You should really read Sowell’s book; it could clear up a lot of misunderstandings you may have.

    Dave (9664fc)

  115. Justice Kavanaugh may be looking for a test case, to resurrect the Dormant Third Amendment. I think that through the proper lens, Obamacare can be viewed as a forced quartering of troops in people’s homes in peacetime.

    *head asplodes*

    Dave (9664fc)

  116. “Of course, the rightie mentioned in the post is far worse than all the lefties mentioned combined.”

    Yes, the side that appeals to normal people is far more deadly even as individuals when those people become unhinged. He even announced his intentions to everyone, indicating that maybe he hadn’t actually planned out this violence as thoroughly as one might think!

    But only one side is actively organizing and defending its people to commit violence and ‘civil disobedience’ they can get away with in the service of their side on a daily basis.

    ‘Polarization’ is the absolute worst word to use to describe what’s happening, two days after Kavenaugh’s confirmation and already you’re slipping into “I’m above it all and I don’t have to think or organize above the level of lazy Beltway tribal-sloganeering about these things.”

    Pencil-necked Pundit (6a5413)

  117. 117 the militias have now disarmed ?

    lany (99a18a)

  118. when you have coups by dirty corrupt FBI filth like Robert Mueller it can be very polarize

    i found a decent vegan curry place btw which was sort of proof-of-concept that you can make a decent curry without using oils and coconut and such

    so i’m a try this one this weekend which means i need to get the fat-free yogurt today cause Mariano’s sucks at keeping it in stock (lazy chicago trash union workers)

    so I’m a do this one then maybe play with the idea it doesn’t need to be so tomato-forward – maybe use a pureed green banana to give it some brightness instead?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. oops here’s my starter recipe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. @118. Certainly not. Just recently Trump issued an order 69 via a subtle hand signal and code word. Right wing militants then took over the streets during a recent march in Portland.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  121. 25- J – U. I. S.

    mg (f0a1d2)

  122. If you agree to buy a $1 bill from me for $10, that does not, in general, make it worth $10.

    But it could be worth $1.03 or whatever the Fed rate is these days. Anyway, exchanging different denominations of the same means of exchange is not the best example you could have picked.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. #96 — What is a right to privacy, but a right to be left alone by federal and state government? I realize the penumbra thing can grate, but it is a way to see an inherent individual right that is pretty valuable.

    The problem isn’t Griswald which enunciated a principle arguably inherent in the Bill of Rights, it’s that Roe was awkward judicial lawmaking.

    (I am not a lawyer, so I am sure you can make mincemeat of me if you choose on the legal issues. So take this as a layman’s protest.)

    Appalled (96665e)

  124. So questions ofublic health by that standard shouldn’t concern us appalled, it was an extreme interpretation that was never contemplated by the founders even if you like the end result.

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. The Ninth Amendment may be the most important one in the Bill of Rights, except that the Supreme Court so far has used it only as a smorgasbord, to pick one non-enumerated right, privacy, and even that is limited to the privacy of a woman’s ladyparts. At his confirmation hearings, Roberts spoke of a general right to liberty which included privacy but we ain’t seen none of that from the Court so far.

    nk (dbc370)

  126. Isn’t the so-called free market based on the theory that a commodity is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it?

    No.

    Uh, yes. Typically the marginal buyer unless some form of price discrimination can be implemented like for example airplane seating.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  127. And folks who don’t understand money go in circles over this.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  128. As for bureau and doj weasels the gangs all here:
    https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-washington-post/20080915/282961035937202

    Note the date of publication

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. #130

    What strikes me is how outraged many became at Trump for speaking the truth … turning them irrationally against him … yet he is proven truthful.

    But no apologies. Not even a hint of “I was wrong.”

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  130. That would be Mueller (who wrote the notes after the event, goldsmith, whelan (seems to have been out of the loop) comey, philbin (recently opining on special prisecutors)
    Baker and wray

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. Messing with a guy named Scalise carries additional risks.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  132. True but remember Scalia’s was not the only target.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  133. @KerryPicket
    Just 10 years ago Dems had the House,60 person filibuster proof majority in the Senate, the WH, and for some reason there was no serious talk about changing the electoral college or about how unfair it is that small states get equal representation in the senate to large states.
    7:24 PM · Oct 7, 2018

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  134. @125. Roe is worse than awkward. Emotions and subject matter aside, it’s poorly written and poorly reasoned.

    I don’t expect anyone to be able to make mincemeat of you on the legal analysis side. Most “legal” analysis of roe devolves quickly into personal attacks, jazz hands, or a jumped up version of because I said so.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  135. #136

    Beldar has the skills to hash me, if he so chooses. He’s not the kind of person who does that, so I’m not too worried.

    Agree on Roe. If the court has legitimacy problems, it is due mostly to Roe’s hamhanded attempt to take an undecided political question out of the political battlefield. There’s no real good way to fix what they have done, either, except recognize that this keystone decision is a shabby mess that helped mess up our politics for a generation, and yet, we still have to say “bygones” at some point, for our national health.

    Appalled (96665e)

  136. Breaking- CNN reports Nikki Haley resigns as U,N, ambassador.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. my friend at the un says everyone there calls her “bibi’s b-” and she never smiles at anyone and they all just avoid her

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. @140. When the world laughs at your boss to his face, it can make taking you seriously a joke, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. hrm i think i mean *bebe’s* no?

    i love president trump btw but nikki haley is basically just marco rubio with bigger breasts

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. @142. She knows how to curry favor w/our Captain, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. curry’s a fall favorite at casa pikachu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. Anyway, exchanging different denominations of the same means of exchange is not the best example you could have picked.

    Actually, it’s the perfect example, since it is irrefutable and completely disproves your assertion.

    In a perfectly efficient market of rational actors, the price of a commodity will tend toward its actual value.

    But the fact that someone is willing to pay $10 for a $1 bill does not make $1 bills worth that amount (which was nk’s original claim). Contra nk, it is obviously possible to pay more (or less) for something than it is worth.

    Dave (9664fc)

  143. Isn’t the so-called free market based on the theory that a commodity is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it?

    Shorter Dave: No, it’s based on the theory that a commodity is worth what the MARKET is willing to pay for it. Individuals can make stupid choices, such as selling a $10 bill for $1. But a market never will. Similarly for labor — the market will pay what the labor is worth (generally value added less overhead). Some players may miscalculate, but the statistical aggregate will be pretty spot on.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  144. If you got that fuzzy reasoning not to mention the dishonest mischaracterization of the other’s argument from Sowell, I’m glad I don’t read him.

    I never equated labor for wages to $1 for $10. Because that would be silly. And pointless. Like the anti-minimum wage arguments which have no empirical basis in the real world.

    nk (dbc370)

  145. Of course, you could easily prove Sowell’s theory, simply by pointing out that since the enactment of minimum wage no one employs anyone because it’s not worth it. There are no employers and no employees in America! Everybody is self-employed.

    nk (dbc370)

  146. aphrael, what is your rationale for voting for Kevin D, if you don’t mind saying?

    Patricia (3363ec)

  147. Of course, you could easily prove Sowell’s theory, simply by pointing out that since the enactment of minimum wage no one employs anyone because it’s not worth it. There are no employers and no employees in America! Everybody is self-employed.

    Hard to understand what you’re trying to prove by being willfully obtuse like this.

    Sowell does not claim what you suggest. If the minimum wage is raised from $7.50 to $15 then people whose labor is worth more than the lower figure but less than the higher one cannot be paid what they are worth and will have difficulty keeping or finding jobs as a result. This is obvious, and Sowell provides ample supporting data.

    Dave (ff78ad)

  148. I think we all know that the lunacy, while occuring on both sides, is far-and-away predominately leftist. To pretend that it’s equally on both sides of the aisle is also nothing less than a denial of reality.

    Before Trumpalos, I would have agreed.

    Now? Not so much.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 10/8/2018 @ 6:40 pm

    Perhaps that says more about how Donald Trump has affected you and changed your ability to perceive reality. There simply is no comparison between one unhinged guy on Facebook claiming to be on my side and the insane leftist mob violence we’ve seen in Oakland, San Jose, Berkeley, Portland, Washington D.C., and leftist-ruled cities across the country. Not to mention the unhinged leftist mobs that apparently run this nation’s colleges and universities. This James Patrick guy in FL is not on my side. I would have turned him in myself if I knew him and if what he did is a crime, and appears it is, then he needs to prosecuted and imprisoned.

    That’s the difference, Pat. I have no idea what this Patrick character’s politics are but I have met isolated crazies who had a caricature notion of what it means to be “right-wing” or “conservative.” And I always end up shutting down the conversation by telling them, “GTF away from me, I am not with you.” Conservatives don’t form mobs or packs and go wilding through the streets breaking store front windows, setting cars on fire, and defecating on police squad cars. Only leftists do that.

    And the reason they get away with it is because there are no “responsible” adults on the leftist/liberal side. When the mayor of Berkeley and the UCB police chief tells their police forces, or in this case the mayor of Portland, to stand down and let their brown shirts and black shirts do whatever they want it’s because they agree with mob’s basic ideology, their immediate goals, and their violent, mob-rule methods. And if you doubt me, do remember Jean Quan, the former mayor of Oakland? Shootings in the “occupy” camp weren’t enough to prompt her to shut it down. Rampant vandalism of local businesses wasn’t enough. Shutting down the port of Oakland wasn’t enough. Why? Quan’s husband and daughter were leading lights in the Occupy Oakland movement.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jean-Quan-s-spouse-daughter-worked-with-Occupiers-2288891.php

    The link to the article seems to be broken but the words in the URL makes things perfectly clear.

    Conservatives don’t embrace isolated crazies. The mobs are, on the other hand, a core Democratic party constituency if not the core consituency. I’m sorry to read that you are choosing to ignore the overwhelming evidence that this is the case in order to maintain this false moral equivalency, “a pox on both their houses” posture.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  149. That scene in Portland was utterly disgusting. And I grant I may have missed something from the extreme right that is comparable to this – I have been way too busy lately – but I sure can’t recall reading of it.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  150. That scene in Portland was utterly disgusting. And I grant I may have missed something from the extreme right that is comparable to this – I have been way too busy lately – but I sure can’t recall reading of it.

    ICYMI

    Dave (9664fc)

  151. Not even close.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  152. “White nationalists rallying is an act of violence…” as opposed to counter-demonstrators who are committing actual acts of violence.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  153. An army of nazis marching with torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us”, “Blut und Boden”, and being praised by the President of the United States, is “not even close”?

    Jawohl mein Colonel!

    Dave (9664fc)

  154. You have been breathing anti matter fumes again Dan, analogy is not your strong point.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  155. clinton now says no more we go high b.s. go get them! treat republicans the way you would treat nazis! if hillary is putting on che guevera tee shirt and red star berat things are getting serious!

    lany (05ce3d)

  156. What steve57 said. SMDH that it was actually necessary for him to say it. Also Haiku 154-155. Acts of violence are actions taken that break things or harm people. Nazis marching and rallying at Nuremberg were not acts of violence. Kristalnacht was an act of violence. This is obvious to those willing to do the analysis.

    Skorcher (dcd56b)

  157. “CHARLOTTESVILLE – WINA) – Leaders of the Charlottesville Clergy Collective, Black Lives Matter, SURJ of Charlottesville, and a number of others turned out 1000-plus strong according to Charlottesville Police to shout down some 50 Ku Klux Klan protesters. This particular Klan chapter traveled to Charlottesville from North Carolina to protest the removal of the Lee statue — even though the protest took place in Justice Park which is where Stonewall Jackson’s statue stands. The Klan was 45 minutes late for its permitted protest time, and dispersed at 4:25pm… 25 minutes after their permitted time.

    There was heavy police presence the entire time, and the KKK had a path cleared to the park lined with State Police in full riot gear. They were booed vociferously as they made their entrance, and any protests they attempted to shout were shouted over by counter protesters. There were KKK chants of “white power” and a sign berating Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy using a racial slur. Shouts of “black lives matter” and various incantations of “go home” were heard nearly incessantly.

    Anger for the Klan by many of the BLM group turned toward police as they protected Klan members as they left. The KKK members walked somewhere into the back of the Albemarle courts building to where vehicles were parked in seclusion. Many of the counter protesters gathered onto 4th Street and the sidewalks where the Klan members were making their exit. Before their exit, a State Police officer took to a bullhorn to declare the Commonwealth had determined their gathering was “an unlawful assembly” and the protesters were ordered to disperse or be arrested. As an array of local and state police extended the perimeter from the courts building, a police vehicle came out of a parking area with a siren sounding, and a number of vehicles behind it. Those were believed to be at least some of the KKK protesters.

    Many of a defiant crowd were angered, most BLM advocates with some shouting “you protect the Klan, but you don’t protect us”. Others shouted the police and the Klan were the same thing.

    Charlottesville police say 23 persons were arrested as of 6:16 p.m. Several dozens BLM counter protesters continued to confront a number of police officers gathered in Justice Park, and while tensions were high, there was no violence nor were there arrests. City spokeswoman Miriam Dickler said some arrests were made after members of the crowd used pepper spray. When some of the crowd refused to disperse, State Police released three canisters of tear gas and the crowd followed the troopers’ orders.

    Three individuals had to be transported to the hospital, but none for violent causes. Dickler says two of them were for heat-related matters, and the other was alcohol-related.”

    http://wina.com/news/064460-klan-protesters-vastly-outnumbered-by-counter-protesters/

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  158. @153. A couple of differences there. In Charlottesville the national guard was on alert along with the state and local police. It seems like in both the first KKK rally and the “white nationalists” rally things were going fine until the counter-protesters got mixed in. In Portland a motorcycle cop was standing off to the side watching. I think this happened at UC Berkeley too.

    Another thing I’ve noticed is that Charlottesville is used as a counter for every new event from the left.

    So, yea, I guess Charlottesville continually excuses things like Berkeley, Portland, and anything else we need it to cover.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  159. The old rule used to be that I might not agree with what you’re saying but I’ll fight your right to say it.

    Then it became I can shout you down and prevent you from speaking.

    Now it’s speech I don’t agree with justifies physical violence in response.

    That wasn’t a change made on the right.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  160. Sorry, obviously it should be fight for your right to say it.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  161. Yes, Frosty, it’s commonplace for the Left and the media to do it, but fairly unusual for someone who claims to be a “conservative” to do it.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  162. Not saying Nazis, KKK, or “white nationalists” are my kind of people – they aren’t, they’re scum – but their numbers and impact are way overblown.

    I don’t think that’s the case with the crazies on the left. They are numerous and they are well-funded.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  163. Forests and trees. The Leftie crazies are organized, funded, supported and protected by the same people who organize, fund, support and protect the regular Democratic Party organization. That is not the case with the right-wing weirdos and the Republican Party.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. Hillary probably has the right of it. If we put the left in charge they’ll return to civility. The logic is bulletproof.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  165. An army of nazis …

    Dave (9664fc) — 10/9/2018 @ 6:13 pm

    An army of Nazis? Seriously, out side of the fever swamp of your imagination or WWII movies do you see this ARMY of Nazis?

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/12/punch-a-nazi-in-the-face-antifa-says-wor

    ..,But the core “Unite the Right II” group managed to draw only about two dozen people, compared with thousands who showed up in response, including plenty of anti-fascist (antifa) and Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters.

    …There just weren’t that many of them. Rally organizer Jason Kessler predicted in his National Park Service permit that 400 people would participate. Less than 30 actually showed up.

    The director of the D.C. Metro said he planned on transporting the “white supremacists” in secure subway cars. Cars, as in plural. In the end these clowns couldn’t even get enough people to half-fill one car. They were far outnumbered by the press.

    You see, Dave, I realize that you desperately want to convince people that right-wingers are just as big a threat as the Antifa/#BlackLivesMatter/Occupy left-wing mobs which can and do take over whole city centers with the active support of the city’s administrators, the LHMFM, and the reluctant acquiescence of the police who have to stand down. But when you have to resort to blatant, easily exposed lies to attempt to do it you just make my point, the same point that others have made, and destroy your credibility in the process. You see ARMIES of Nazis? They couldn’t even put together a platoon. Outside of Sand Point, ID, maybe not even there, you couldn’t get enough of them together to fill the stands of a high school football stadium.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  166. “White nationalists rallying is an act of violence…” as opposed to counter-demonstrators who are committing actual acts of violence.

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64) — 10/9/2018 @ 6:08 pm

    That was always the point of labeling certain words or a look you might direct at another a “micro-aggression.” The left was long preparing to macro-aggressions. “Your exercise of free speech is violence, but our violence is free speech.” And I by a long time I mean since the ’30s. Markuse, a member of the Frankfurt School of cultural Marxism, wrote an essay on “intolerant tolerance” in 1965 in which he asserted (you can’t say he argued the point, just asserted and had like the Democrats with a sexual assault claim ignored the fact that there was no evidence for what he was saying) that conservative speech is oppressive, sexist, racist, and essentially does violence. Only the nice, tolerant speech of the kind of nice tolerant leftists you’ve seen engaging in violence in places like Portland must be tolerated.

    Up is down, war is peace, slavery is freedom.

    That’s another difference between conservatives and leftists. When conservatives read Orwell they know it’s a cautionary tale and in fact although Orwell was a committed socialist he didn’t think much of other socialists. He makes this extremely clear in “The Road to Wiggan Pier.” The vast majority of socialists aren’t motivated by “love” for the oppressed proletariat. They just say they are because that justifies their rabid hatred for the rich.

    Orwell knew the totalitarian nature of his fellow socialists. The torture and murder the Bolsheviks were inflicting on the people of the USSR was common knowledge in the UK. Socialists heard the wonderful propaganda about the worker’s paradise and traveled to the Soviet Union to see for themselves. Honest ones like Malcolm Muggeridge wrote extensively about it. And socialists prove Orwell and the rest of us who are onto them about their true totalitarian souls by reading Orwell’s books as….

    how-to manuals for ordering society.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  167. It certainly does seem that way, in homage to Catalonia he clearly had sympathies for the republic, but he could see their flaws.

    Koestler however borrowed much of his account from Nazi interrogations of all things

    Narciso (d1f714)

  168. Preach the word, Steve!

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  169. OT, but this is some funny schiff, especially replies… https://twitter.com/chrismeagher/status/1049792679477989376

    Colonel Haiku (1fcc64)

  170. Pat, I thought I’d link to this post by Paul Mirengoff that’s up on Powerline this morning:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/10/mob-rule-and-false-equivalence.php

    Karen Tumulty, one of the Washington Post’s seemingly endless stable of biased Trump resisters, accuses Republicans who decry left-wing mob tactics of hypocrisy. She claims that Republicans used to love mob rule.

    …Where are Tumulty’s examples of Tea Party or other conservatives running through the streets smashing windows and assaulting demonstrators of a different persuasion. She has none — nothing comparable to Antifa.

    …By citing an incident from nearly 30 years ago, Tumulty demonstrates that her attempt to draw an equivalence between the mob actions of the left, spurred on by some elected Democrats, and the activism of conservatives is partisan nonsense.

    One of DJT’s talents is that while the left accuses him of being unfit for the office, insane and needs to be removed, vulgar, lowering the discourse, etc., he trolls them into language and behaviors that are far worse than anything they’ve ever even accused him of let alone has done. He has exposed the left as being the far, far worse alternative to him. And sane people can see that.

    But unfortunately he’s had a similar effect on people who aren’t necessarily on the left. Dave sees an “army” of Nazis marching in the streets of Charlottesville and D.C. So DJT has trolled him to the point where he has to hallucinate in order to draw his false equivalencies. Because according to the article there were 50 Klansmen at Charlottesville. And there were 24 white supremacists at the D.C. rally. Combined that’s about one and a half USMC rifle platoons. That’s not an army, but hey if he has to make s*** up in order to say “they both do it” then that’s what Dave will do.

    Unfortunately that’s what you’re doing as well. A man making a post threatening murder does not remotely compare to the mob violence, shootings, and attempted murder by stabbing we’ve seen from the left. Which isn’t to say I approve of the threat; far from it. But for me to say it’s just as bad as shooting up a baseball field full of GOP lawmakers would be ridiculous.

    Unfortunately you’re going to similar lengths. For some reason you’re drawing these false moral equivalences not because they make any sense but because you need there to be. So like Dave you see things that aren’t there.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  171. Unless Leni Riefenstahl rose from the grave to get just the perfect camera angle, this looks like a lot more than 50 white supremacists to me.

    Dave (9664fc)

  172. Congratulations. You can come up with a 20 second GIF image. I never said you couldn’t.

    You need therapy, Dave. Seriously.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  173. You need therapy, Dave. Seriously.

    I don’t believe this type of personal attack is allowed.

    An apology would be appreciated.

    Dave (9664fc)

  174. I don’t believe this type of personal attack is allowed.

    An apology would be appreciated.

    Dave (9664fc) — 10/11/2018 @ 2:17 pm

    Ok.

    Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, sleeping together! 20 second GIFs. You are so right, Dave, we are all the same.

    Give me a call for the next reich=wing mob action when we storm L.A. committing property crimes and mayhem in while demanding a border wall.

    I will totes show up for that.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  175. Let’s all paint with an impossibly broad brush, so I don’t eternally owe Dave an apology.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

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