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9/29/2018

Open Thread for College Football

Filed under: General — JVW @ 4:47 pm



[guest post by JVW]

In case anyone else needs a break from all things Kavanaugh/Ford, here’s a chance to discuss my favorite thing about fall.

Northwestern is giving Michigan all they can handle in Evanston. Are Jim Harbaugh’s days in Ann Arbor numbered if they don’t beat Ohio State this year?

Speaking of the Buckeyes, they are about to kick off against Penn State in Happy Valley. A great battle between two Top 10 programs. Is the winner on their way to the BCS playoff?

Speaking of two Top 10 programs matching up, Sanford and Notre Dame has just gotten underway in South Bend. After reaching the BCS championship in 2012, is this the year the Irish make another run?

Speaking of past BCS championship participants, is Oregon turning around their luck from last season and back on track to be a Pac-12 North contender? They are at Berkeley going up against undefeated Cal, so we will find out which one of these two squads is the real deal?

Speaking of disappointments in the Pac-12, USC faces Arizona in Tucson tonight. Can the Trojans get back to their winning ways from the end of last season? Will Wildcat quarterback Khalil Tate start showing those flashes of amazing athleticism that we saw last year?

Feel free to discuss games that have already been completed, especially if you want to discuss the 4-0 Colorado Buffaloes.

– JVW

134 Responses to “Open Thread for College Football”

  1. Notre Dame is determined to not let Bryce Love beat them running between the tackles.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. OK, so much for not letting Bryce Love run between the tackles.

    JVW (42615e)

  3. Well they are tied now, fwiw.

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. Well …

    1. Obligatory SEC mention.

    2. I hope my Horns are finally back.

    3. We need JD.

    DRJ (15874d)

  5. Michigan squeaked by Northwestern.

    DRJ (15874d)

  6. Are Jim Harbaugh’s days in Ann Arbor numbered if they don’t beat Ohio State this year?

    It’s tough competing with the dirtiest program in the history of college football.

    Go Blue!

    Dave (b5a707)

  7. It’s interesting the different games people watch. I assume most watch their regional games or schools they went to/cheer for. I’m a Big 12 fan but I grew up loving the PAC 12 because they were so explosive and the Big 10 because of their defenses. Now neither conference is that interesting to me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  8. Boise State-Wyoming is fun to watch, and thankfully it is at Wyoming. The blue turf is weird.

    DRJ (15874d)

  9. The first time I met the Chancellor of the university where I work, at a meet and greet for faculty members, I told him we needed a football team. He wasn’t amused.

    Our current Chancellor seems like less of a stick in the mud, but I haven’t had the opportunity to raise the subject with him…

    Dave (b5a707)

  10. Bless you, DRJ, for always stepping up to college football posts. To go over your points:

    1. Obligatory SEC mention.

    We should just send Alabama straight to the BCS Championship game so that the boys can concentrate on their classwork until January.

    2. I hope my Horns are finally back.

    I can’t wait for next week’s game! That said, I’m going to miss it. I’ll be in Morgantown to see Kansas vs. West Virginia, but I’ll give you a scouting report on the Mountaineers so that if you get by OU you’ll know what to expect for the next huge game the Longhorns are going to face.

    3. We need JD.

    Indeed. He would be thrilled over how well the Irish are playing tonight (and this year).

    And Penn State is on the verge of putting Ohio State away.

    JVW (42615e)

  11. It’s interesting the different games people watch. I assume most watch their regional games or schools they went to/cheer for. I’m a Big 12 fan but I grew up loving the PAC 12 because they were so explosive and the Big 10 because of their defenses. Now neither conference is that interesting to me.

    I loved the old Big 8 because Oklahoma and Nebraska had crazy run games. And I used to love watching BYU play because that passing game was way ahead of its time. Now I hate watching teams that run the spread and throw the ball every down, and a 59-56 game just bores me to tears. Give me a 21-17 contest any day of the week. That’s football!

    JVW (42615e)

  12. It’s tough competing with the dirtiest program in the history of college football.

    I used to like Urban Meyer (though I confess I never cared for the Buckeyes), but after this last fiasco I can’t help but think he should have at a minimum been suspended for the full season.

    JVW (42615e)

  13. Too bad the Notre Dame game on NBC won’t be a multi overtime thriller, a certain debacle will air earlier than expected in most markets.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  14. What in Sam Hill happened to the Huskers???

    Now watching USC-Zona. I don’t think Clay Helton will ever build a great team but I also don’t think he’ll be fired for at least another year and a half.

    harkin (7f4688)

  15. I don’t care about the score as much as how they play. If the teams execute well (on offense or defense) or even if part of the team executes well (a great O-line, skilled cornerbacks or good kicking/returning on special teams), then I like to watch. BUT … I have also found that I don’t care who wins most games the way I used to. I used to have a favorite in almost every game but not so much anymore.

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. Can’t stand the SEC, Michigan, the U, and have eased off my earlier dislike of Oklahoma. If a program hires Mark Stoops (5-0 with Kentucky) away from Lexington, do they get Bobby as a sort of “consultant”?

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  17. OSU, the couch burners.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. Nebraska gave up their Texas pipeline, lost their annual Florida exposure, and are competing with similar formula programs in Wiscy and Iowa.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  19. They’re pikers in that science compared to East Lansing and Morgantown.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  20. I get that the spread is boring but I still like to watch Texas Tech play it. They are innovative and always add a new wrinkle. They don’t het the players the other schools get so they have to.

    DRJ (15874d)

  21. Get, not het.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. I think that’s right about Nebraska. They used to get a lot of Texans that go to schools like Baylor or TCU or even UH now.

    DRJ (15874d)

  23. Nebraska gave up their Texas pipeline, lost their annual Florida exposure, and are competing with similar formula programs in Wiscy and Iowa.

    That’s a terrific summation, urbanleftbehind. I get why NU left the Big 12: with Texas’s solo TV contract there wasn’t the potential for a lucrative conference deal like the Big 10, the SEC, and the Pac 12 cut, but they became the smallest market in the Big 10 and there’s no way they were going to penetrate the Ohio-Michigan-Pennsylvania recruiting market.

    JVW (42615e)

  24. I spoke too damn soon on Ohio State-Penn State. Rats.

    JVW (42615e)

  25. I think that’s right about Nebraska. They used to get a lot of Texans that go to schools like Baylor or TCU or even UH now.

    As college recruiting became more of a business, recruits started getting more businesslike. The great high school running back who USC wanted to come play linebacker now instead goes to Oregon State to play running back. The stud high school wide receiver who has to choose between going to Texas and maybe being third-string his first two years or going to Baylor and having a chance to start right away is choosing to play early. I like that part of college football. Yet somehow, Alabama continues to get a team that’s like three guys deep at every position.

    JVW (42615e)

  26. Damn you, Penn State.

    JVW (42615e)

  27. You got your close game!

    DRJ (15874d)

  28. When I have a rooting interest I prefer a blowout!

    JVW (42615e)

  29. We completely agree on that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  30. What’s with Arizona?

    DRJ (15874d)

  31. Man, Arizona has to be one of the top two or three most disappointing teams this year. I get that Tate has a bad ankle and I get that USC has lots of athletic talent, but the Wildcats were way better in every aspect of the game last year.

    JVW (42615e)

  32. You and I had the same idea at the same time, DRJ. No wonder you are my favorite college football commenter.

    JVW (42615e)

  33. I mean, maybe Kevin Sumlin has brought in an entirely new system and his guys just aren’t yet adjusted to it, but that doesn’t explain the poor execution and the bad personal fouls.

    JVW (42615e)

  34. Looks like we changed Arizona’s luck. I think USC got a raw deal on that call but it helped Arizona. (What a great catch.)

    DRJ (15874d)

  35. Yeah, but they aren’t going to make anything of it.

    One of my funnest college football experiences was a Thursday night game in Tucson when Arizona upset #2 Oregon. The stadium was so much fun that night.

    JVW (42615e)

  36. I think Sumlin’s best year at A&M was his first. He’s passionate. Maybe that worked better at A&M than at Arizona.

    DRJ (15874d)

  37. Did I say Arizona was undisciplined? USC is the goddam Miami of the west. It’s got to drive coaches up the wall.

    JVW (42615e)

  38. You called it. Nothing came of it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. Ok, explain that for me. I think of Miami as Thug City. Are you saying that about USC?

    DRJ (15874d)

  40. I think Sumlin’s best year at A&M was his first. He’s passionate. Maybe that worked better at A&M than at Arizona.

    I have this theory that guys coach players that they didn’t recruit far better than guys that they did recruit. I’m thinking of Rick Neuheisel’s first year at Colorado and first year at Washington, Charlie Weis’s first year at Notre Dame, Lane Kiffen’s first year anywhere. There’s a reason why I think successful NFL teams have their VP of football operations (fka player personnel manager) separate from their head coach (and yeah, Bill Belichick is an exception).

    JVW (42615e)

  41. Is that inappropriate? If so, I’m sorry. I can be inappropriate about football.

    DRJ (15874d)

  42. Ok, explain that for me. I think of Miami as Thug City. Are you saying that about USC?

    Yeah, just undisciplined players.

    JVW (42615e)

  43. USC’s discipline gets worse every week instead of better. Poor coaching.

    At least they remembered they’re SC and they can run the ball.

    harkin (a4b010)

  44. Lane Kiffen’s first year anywhere.

    First, that was funny.

    Second, good theory. I need to think about it. To me Neuheisel, Weis and Kiffen are different than most coaches. At least they seem different but I can’t pinpoint why.

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. Add Ty Willingham’s first year at Notre Dame to that theory.

    JVW (42615e)

  46. Jim Mora’s first year at UCLA (not his best record, but won his divisional championship). His next two years were also good, but by his fourth year when he had his own recruits the program started to suffer.

    JVW (42615e)

  47. Sometimes lack of discipline is the coach’s fault, but sometimes it is the environment. It must be hard to keep players grounded in the LA market with the recruiting attention they get. I also wonder if sometimes it is a sign of NCAA violations that make players think there are no rules or discipline. I am not saying that about USC or any specific school, but it can happen anywhere.

    I’m glad you posted this. It is fun to talk about.

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. Ok, but some coaches struggle until they get their own recruits. I accept your theory but what qualities do your coaching examples have that others don’t? Or could it be the former coaches left good recruits and the new coach wasn’t as good a recruiter?

    DRJ (15874d)

  49. My alma mater kept BYU out of the end zone until the last minute of the game. Final score, UW 35, BYU 7. A solid win for the #11 Huskies, and they should move back into the top ten. Had they made a couple of plays against Auburn, they’d be in the top five, maybe top three.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  50. Congrats! They should move up.

    DRJ (15874d)

  51. I guess Clemson and Ohio State will stay high but they both struggled.

    DRJ (15874d)

  52. “Sometimes lack of discipline is the coach’s fault, but sometimes it is the environment”

    When the coach doesn’t hold the offending players responsible it’s pretty much coaching.

    harkin (a4b010)

  53. Well that was ugly, defensively. Arizona looks tired.

    DRJ (15874d)

  54. USC really pounding that rock. If they can cut down on the knucklehead penalties they might still take the south.

    harkin (a4b010)

  55. With some of the best/skill players the only thing a coach can do to instill discipline is bench them, but only a few will do that and the players know it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  56. If he does it, they learn. It’s up to him.

    harkin (a4b010)

  57. For some reason Harris didn’t preen after that play.

    harkin (a4b010)

  58. Or could it be the former coaches left good recruits and the new coach wasn’t as good a recruiter?

    But isn’t it wild that a good recruiter would be run out of a job. What got me thinking about this idea was the following: Bob Davie gets fired at Notre Dame after a three-year run of 5-7, 9-3, and 5-6. Tyrone Willingham comes in and goes 10-3 in his first year with Davie’s recruits, but then has lackluster 5-7 and 6-5 seasons and gets fired. Charlie Weis comes in and goes 9-3 and then 10-3 with Willingham’s recruits, but then when his own recruits are juniors and seniors goes 3-9, 7-6, and 6-6.

    Here’s Neuheisel’s record:
    1995 Colorado 10-2 (Bill McCartney’s recruits)
    1996 Colorado 10-2 (mostly McCartney’s recruits)
    1997 Colorado 5-7
    1998 Colorado 8-4
    1999 Washington 7-5 (Jim Lambright’s recruits)
    2000 Washington 11-1 (mostly Lambright’s recruits)
    2001 Washington 8-4
    2002 Washington 7-6

    Interesting, no?

    JVW (42615e)

  59. My alma mater kept BYU out of the end zone until the last minute of the game. Final score, UW 35, BYU 7.

    Colorado, my pseudo-alma mater, comes to USC on October 13 and then plays at Washington on October 20. I’m going to both games. These are the only two teams in teams in the Pac-12 that CU hasn’t beaten since they joined the conference. To be honest, I don’t think they have talent to match with either, but if they get by ASU next week and show up in Los Angeles at 5-0 then anything’s possible. Go Buffs!

    JVW (42615e)

  60. Well that was ugly, defensively. Arizona looks tired.

    Just awful. It’s going to break my heart if they beat CU this year.

    I’m watching Oregon-Cal right now. Maybe Cal isn’t as good as we might have thought? Maybe Oregon is way better (hard to believe)?

    JVW (42615e)

  61. I really think that Ty Willingham would have gotten another year to prove himself but they wanted to clear the way for Urban Meyer. I also think part of Urb’s rejection was the optics from TW’s dismissal.

    Some will say no way UM doesn’t have an ethical bone in his body but IIRC it sure seemed that way at the time.

    harkin (a4b010)

  62. Yes, it really is interesting.

    Being a female, I tend to focus (probably overfocus) on the team aspects. I think the team/player dynamics matter. Saban can take great players and win, not because they are great playerd but because he knows how to shape them into great teams. I think Gary Patterson at TCU can do that with 3 star players. I don’t think Weis could do it at all, so maybe part of what is happening is the coaches inherited a cohesive team, but they couldn’t maintain or continue it with new recruits.

    DRJ (15874d)

  63. CU can take the south. Montez is very good plus he has wheels.

    harkin (a4b010)

  64. I really think that Ty Willingham would have gotten another year to prove himself but they wanted to clear the way for Urban Meyer. I also think part of Urb’s rejection was the optics from TW’s dismissal.

    Remember one of those years when Willingham coached at ND and ESPN had a weekly series where they followed the program and encapsulated it in a 30-minute show? I came to really, really admire Coach Willingham and for the first time since I was a little boy I rooted for Notre Dame. I too thought he was ill-treated by the school (so it was easy for me to go back to disdaining them). I would like to think that Meyer turned down the ND job because he was appalled at how they treated Willingham, but I suppose it’s really because the situation at Florida was so promising that he couldn’t say no. He won two national championships in his first four years, after all.

    JVW (42615e)

  65. I can’t address Neuheisel’s record at Washington but I have a vague recollection that Colorado had trouble recruiting on the late 90’s. It was in the Big 12 then. I don’t think it was Neuheisel as much as Colorado not being a good fit with the Big 12. Do you remember anything like that? I could be wrong. It’s been awhile.

    DRJ (15874d)

  66. Saban can take great players and win, not because they are great playerd but because he knows how to shape them into great teams. I think Gary Patterson at TCU can do that with 3 star players.

    Saban is out of this world. He’s in that coaching pantheon with Stagg, Yost, Warner, Rockne, Neyland, Blaik, Wilkinson, Bryant, Royal — you name them. Meyer is the same; he’s going to be great no matter where he goes. I think you are absolutely right about Gary Patterson. He’s like Chris Peterson at Washington. Those guys are geniuses as much as the others; the interesting questions is could they be as successful dealing with the prima donna four- and five-star recruits.

    JVW (42615e)

  67. The Irish looked great. Thanks for the distraction.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  68. Interesting, no?

    Having lived through the Neuheisel era at the UW, I can tell you that he was more about PR than actual coaching in the PAC-12, and he was too often borderline or crossing-the-line unethical. He shouldn’t have been given another shot at UCLA, even if he did quarterback there.
    BTW, we might both be at Husky Stadium for the Colorado game, JVW. I know we’ve beaten CU in the past, but the games always seemed nailbiting, and they’ve got a solid QB.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  69. Why is Colorado your “pseudo” alma mater?

    DRJ (15874d)

  70. I can’t address Neuheisel’s record at Washington but I have a vague recollection that Colorado had trouble recruiting on the late 90’s. It was in the Big 12 then. I don’t think it was Neuheisel as much as Colorado not being a good fit with the Big 12. Do you remember anything like that? I could be wrong. It’s been awhile.

    Oh, DRJ, I would love to sit down with you someday and discuss the history of CU football in the 1990s. Let me say this: Neuheisel, who held a law degree, was a shyster and a fundamentally dishonest person. There was a reason he was fired at Washington (and yes, he won a settlement from them, but that has a long backstory too). But the main problem with Neuheisel as a coach in Boulder is that every season the team became less and less disciplined. In fact, a lot of the trouble that hounded Gary Barnett when he coached there is because of the culture that Neuheisel permitted. Lots to unpack there.

    It’s like discussing the Butch Davis years at Miami.

    JVW (42615e)

  71. Why is Colorado your “pseudo” alma mater?

    I’m a native Coloradan and a whole lot of my friends went to CU. I attended a school which played Division III football, so most of us glommed on to whatever our home state team was, and I happened to be in college those years when CU competed for national championships (1988-91).

    My dad is a CU alumnus, so he and I go to a CU road game in a Pac-12 city every season. I joined the CU Alumni Association as a “Friend of CU” despite having never darkened the door of a classroom there, and thus I consider myself an alumnus of a very vague sort.

    JVW (42615e)

  72. One other thing. Chris Peterson is the best thing that’s happened to the UW since Don James and since the UW won the 1936 US Olympic gold medal for rowing in Munich (The Boys in the Boat is a phenomenal book, BTW). He’s that good of a coach.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  73. BTW, we might both be at Husky Stadium for the Colorado game, JVW. I know we’ve beaten CU in the past, but the games always seemed nailbiting, and they’ve got a solid QB.

    Right on, Paul. I’ve been to Husky Stadium before and I can confidently say that it is one of the most spactacular settings for football that I have ever encountered. Have you ever seen a game in Boulder with the Flatirons as the backdrop?

    JVW (42615e)

  74. Forged in Fire is worth watching.

    mg (9e54f8)

  75. One other thing. Chris Peterson is the best thing that’s happened to the UW since Don James. . .

    I read a whole damn lot about college football and I have read a couple of books about UW football in the Don James era, and I very well remember that incredible 1991 team with Steve Entman. Yep, James is indeed one of the great coaches in college football history, as of course is Jim Owens.

    JVW (42615e)

  76. I didn’t realize he is a lawyer. That adds a completely new wrinkle. What a shame that he couldn’t use his abilities better.

    Mike Leach is a lawyer and I think he is very bright and added to the game. He didn’t have a reputation for unethical conduct when he was at Tech but he is quirky.

    DRJ (15874d)

  77. Mike Leach is a lawyer and I think he is very bright and added to the game. He didn’t have a reputation for unethical conduct when he was at Tech but he is quirky.

    Yep. Clearly an incredible football mind, but a guy who just seems a bit off (as a lot of really successful people do). I kind of think he got a raw deal at Tech, but in these days abuse of a player — even if it is questionable — isn’t gonna fly.

    JVW (42615e)

  78. We’re dominating the Recent Comments feed. Thanks DRJ, urbanleftbehind, harkin, Paul Montagu, mg, and NJRob. I just had to stop talking about Kavanaugh (for the most part) this evening.

    JVW (42615e)

  79. That was the Craig James’ show. Leach had no chance in that drama.

    DRJ (15874d)

  80. USC 24, Arizona 14, with 9:34 left in the 4th Q.

    DRJ (15874d)

  81. Plus I could be wrong but I think the powers that be did not want to pay Leach his bonus.

    Turnover. Arizona ball.

    DRJ (15874d)

  82. My gosh the Trojans are a mess.

    harkin (a4b010)

  83. Well, you’ve made me switch back to USC-Arizona.

    Cal pulled to within 11 of Oregon with 5:00 left, but I doubt they stand much of a chance.

    JVW (42615e)

  84. The Bears’ on-side kick went OOB. Pretty tall order now.

    harkin (a4b010)

  85. Last year on fourth and one, Tate runs for the first down. No doubt about it.

    JVW (42615e)

  86. Ryder Cup at Midnight

    mg (9e54f8)

  87. Yeah, he can’t even stride.

    harkin (a4b010)

  88. They’re going to need more than Spieth drilling putts.

    harkin (a4b010)

  89. Ryder Cup at Midnight

    We suck in Europe. It would take a miracle and would be an awesome story, but I think I’ll go to bed.

    Remember when our country used to be great at men’s golf and tennis?

    JVW (42615e)

  90. I started to watch a little Ryder Cup this weekend but the US looked awful. They usually get better for the last matches, but they put themselves in a deep hole.

    DRJ (15874d)

  91. My Heavens, third and 16 and your languid defense gives up 15? Are you even trying.

    OK, though you just stopped them on fourth down.

    JVW (42615e)

  92. We never play good team golf. Most US golf is medal play and the early Ryder Cup rounds are match play, which favors the Europeans.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. Quick, without looking it up: name the last American male to win a singles title at a Grand Slam event.

    JVW (42615e)

  94. This looks exactly like Sumlin’s teams at A&M.

    DRJ (15874d)

  95. Connors?

    DRJ (15874d)

  96. Wow, sideline infraction on USC. What an ridiculously undisciplined team. See why it’s so easy to hate USC?

    JVW (42615e)

  97. Amateur hour.

    harkin (a4b010)

  98. My God, USC wants to lose this game.

    JVW (42615e)

  99. Seriously, fire Clay Helton right now.

    JVW (42615e)

  100. Roddick. Lived in Austin so I should have known that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  101. Jim courier?

    mg (9e54f8)

  102. Wait, you snap the ball at the one to the QB four yards behind the line of scrimmage and wonder why your guy can’t score? I hate this offense.

    JVW (42615e)

  103. Oh, my.

    DRJ (15874d)

  104. Doesn’t matter if they miss the extra point when the offsides kick is so damn bad.

    JVW (42615e)

  105. I’m not sure that will make the kicker feel better, or the team.

    DRJ (15874d)

  106. Remember the days when Hawaii had Timmy Chang and was really good, and we could switch over to their game and watch for another couple of hours?

    Good night, friends.

    JVW (42615e)

  107. But it was a close game!

    DRJ (15874d)

  108. Ryder Cup courses are groomed for the home team. This course features plenty of water and penalizing rough. Europeans hit the ball straighter and shorter, which is how the course needs to be [played. The Europeans are executing the strategy perfectly. And they are making darn near everything from inside 10 feet. Hot putters usually prevail.

    mg (9e54f8)

  109. It’s always amused me how the entire 12-PAC hates USC and USC yawns and hates the Domers.

    harkin (a4b010)

  110. My son went to Mines and I saw a game there (and I saw an Air Force-Army game at the USAFA, which was mind-blowing), but never got to Boulder, except to drive through. I love that whole part of CO.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  111. I’m too old now for late Hawaii games so that’s a good thing for me. Good night.

    DRJ (15874d)

  112. Loving the play by play. But it’s time to sleep.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  113. “My son went to Mines”

    That’s a great school.

    No more football program tho, is that right?

    harkin (a4b010)

  114. Good points, mg. The US still has problems with match play. It’s typically only played by amateurs in the US.

    DRJ (15874d)

  115. BTW, I should be inclined to hate Leach because of the UW-WSU rivalry, but I can’t help but like the guy. He’s a lawyer, he’s quirky, and he speaks with a disturbing amount of candor. Maybe it’s because he’s left-handed and right-brained. Anyway, he’s smart as hell, and it’s not easy to be nationally ranked from a podunk place like Pullman, WA. It’s truly in the middle of nowhere.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  116. I think Hawaii won on the mainland today.

    mg (9e54f8)

  117. I love amateur match play, it can be mentally damaging!!!

    mg (9e54f8)

  118. No more football program tho, is that right?

    Nah, they still have football, but the school is D2, and the number of D2 football schools is dwindling. My son wrestled there.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  119. He was in Lubbock, Texas, before WSU. I grew up in Lubbock and it is nowhere.

    DRJ (15874d)

  120. ……a podunk place like Pullman, WA. It’s truly in the middle of nowhere.”

    It’s only 9 miles to Moscow.

    harkin (a4b010)

  121. I like match play, too. To play, not to watch.

    DRJ (15874d)

  122. Agree, golf over

    mg (9e54f8)

  123. Noted, DRJ. I’ve been to Odessa-Midland, so I’m guessing Lubbock is sorta-kinda of like that. Guys like Leach must thrive in nowhere places.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  124. Golf over the decades has become nauseatingly slow, and match play makes it hard to watch.

    mg (9e54f8)

  125. It’s only 9 miles to Moscow.

    Moscow was useful for WSU students when the drinking age was 19 in Idaho, but now it’s just a podunk school town that’s know for being close to WSU. I shouldn’t downtalk it too much. The Palouse is beautiful country, but it’s 1.5 hours from Spokane and 5.5 hours from Boise, which should speak for itself.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  126. Admittedly this is Leach’s version but I don’t think it was abuse. It was more of the discipline issue we discussed above.

    And now I’m watching the Ryder Cup. I will regret it tomorrow.

    DRJ (15874d)

  127. A man in Massachusetts identifying as a women is suing a Brazilian waxing shop because they wont shave his junk area.
    Thank You Rino Govna Baker.

    mg (9e54f8)

  128. Ryder Cup doesn’t come on until midnight Hawaiian. 6 AM eastern, I think.

    mg (9e54f8)

  129. I guess so. This seems to be rehashing yesterday’s rounds.

    DRJ (15874d)

  130. Two things about golf-
    Hit it in the fairway and stay below the hole.
    The Europeans have done that consistently this week.

    mg (9e54f8)

  131. Europe won. Not a good day for the big name US golfers but some of the lesser known names did well today.

    DRJ (15874d)

  132. That’s true, mg, but that kind of conservative play won’t win the big individual tournaments. There are too many modern players willing to play all-out like Palmer played.

    DRJ (15874d)

  133. Very true, DRJ. Loved being part of Arnie’s army he made you look at golf in a different way. First time I saw Arnie play was in the

    mg (9e54f8)

  134. U.s. open at Hazeltine in the 60’s.

    mg (9e54f8)


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