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9/28/2018

Jeff Flake: I’ll Vote for Kavanaugh

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 am

I don’t think this is much of a surprise. Flake saw the same thing most of us saw yesterday: that absent the testimonial performances, there was zero corroborating evidence to support the allegation we saw aired yesterday. It’s not a sufficient reason to deny a good man a seat on the Supreme Court. If it were that easy, we’d never get a seat again. If you look at the nonsense coming out of the woodwork, it’s obvious that there will always be some non-credible people willing to make accusations like this.

Here’s Flake getting yowled at and having his trip to the vote impeded by alleged sexual assault victims forming a mob. Look at me when I’m screaming at you!

UPDATE: The vote has been approved by a partisan vote. Flake as well. But Flake has said he has agreed with Democrats that the floor vote will be delayed for a week to let the FBI look into this. As a technical matter that does not appear required by the vote just taken, but as a practical matter I think Flake just made it happen.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

400 Responses to “Jeff Flake: I’ll Vote for Kavanaugh”

  1. I’m not sure I would know how to respond to those protesters. My instinct would be to say to them something like, “I hope you get the help you clearly need,” but I guess that would be construed as “attacking” the victim.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. Washington, D.C. is officially Crazytown, USA.

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  3. I’d also like to add, that the only reason that Jeff Flake is getting accosted like this is because he showed weakness in the first place.

    Activists like this are drawn towards weakness like moths to a flame.

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  4. Flake was one of the few people who actually acted as though they were going to really consider the evidence. He took a lot of flack from the nutcases about it.

    And the argument here seems to be that he should vote based on rage, emotion, and smear, not on the evidence.

    I’m not sure I would know how to respond to those protesters.

    There’s no winning move. Graham did well to express his outrage, but it worked because he was talking to powerful people who behaved with corruption. You can’t do that to people who are crying and screaming, many of whom will say they were sexually assaulted. Someone probably took advantage of them too, gathering as many victims as possible to use them like ammunition instead of getting them some kind of actual help.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  5. I might be tempted to hire Corey Lewandowski for a week’s worth of security.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  6. I’m not sure I would know how to respond to those protesters.

    I would give them directions to Keith Ellison’s office.

    16tons (9f93c9)

  7. I think the lady with the accent is the organizer; she looks calm when she talks to the senator’s aide.

    The other hysterical voices? Useful Idiots.

    I do think they are destroying the credibility of the Democrats, if any were left after yesterday. It’s the Party of the Mob now.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  8. Probably, there is no evidence but Donnelly and Jones will be reliable tools.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  9. sexual assault victims are tedious and kind of repulsive, how needy they are

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. but i like the victim ones better than the ones what pour ketchup on their crotch

    ladies please that’s just gross

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. No real victims real evidence needs to be considered but the Senate should look into it’s own gallery.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  12. Where was security?

    nk (dbc370)

  13. i can’t bring myself to watch the video btw

    it’s like pumpkin spice

    i’ve just kinda had enough of this flavor

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. I’ll say what Politicians will refuse to say. I don’t believe Blasey-Ford.

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  15. The same thing happened to all the Republicans after the hearing, nk. Security was there but apparently they don’t interfere with yelling, only if something physical happens.

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. I don’t believe Blasey-Ford.

    right? Just how she scrubbed her social media suggests that she’s a huge liar, to say nothing of how she kept sleazily intimating that this was a rape attempt when that’s not something one can even begin to conclude from her own florid story.

    Yeah it was one of them “uproarious laughter” rapes. Yeah that’s totally a thing.

    Oh wait maybe it is.

    Hillary Clinton Refuses To Apologize For Laughing About 12-Year-Old Rape Victim She Maligned In Court

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. It’s similar to what happened to Cruz and his wife at the restaurant. They may be used to this in DC.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. What evidence time place corroborating witnesses, I know,it seems good enough for a fisa warrant but it shouldn’t be.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  19. oh dear god american christmas cookies here’s a dream-haunting wiggins for you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. I have to think Graham’s sense of outrage and his direct, no nonsense characterization of what has been going on has resonated with the majority of Americans who’ve been following the confirmation hearings. There will always be those who refuse to see reason, but you may never be able to reach or get on the same wavelength as them.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  21. i guess it’s only super-clear in retrospect how much of the success of the Feinstein/Ford rape hoax was depending on getting Mark Judge into congress where kamala and cory could slather him with their vomitous slime

    i think the endless whining about needing the sleazy FBI to investigate was more of a fallback when they realized Mr. Judge wasn’t playing along with their sick rape hoax game

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. But judge wanted to impress attractive girls, even in her younger days ford didn’t apply.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  23. Given he is has been less than forthcoming about his youthful indiscretions speaks more to his character in 2018 than 1982, so I would not characterize Kavanaugh as a ‘good man’ but given his credentials that certainly doesn’t disqualify him from sitting on the Supreme Court. Ty Cobb could be a nasty fella but was a helluva ball player and made it to the Hall of Fame.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. 13… #meneither

    That was a performance, from her hurt little girl’s voice, back and forth between “oh… teh pain… I’m a victim!” to the cheerful sure, we can discuss that if we have time”… the constant lawyer in her ear “you don’t have to answer that”…I think it’s all staged and GD the Democrats for this traveshamockery.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  25. Why moderation?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. So the remodel was in 2008, before her awakening like Evan Rachel wood in Westword it concerned bnb rentals, not feral appellate judges.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  27. The squirrel found a nut.
    Amazing.

    mg (e60689)

  28. Given he is has been less than forthcoming about his youthful indiscretions speaks more to his character in 2018 than 1982, so I would not characterize Kavanaugh as a ‘good man’ but given his credentials that certainly doesn’t disqualify him from sitting on the Supreme Court. Ty Cobb could be a difficult fella but was a heck of ball player and made it to the Hall of Fame.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Ahh. Okay. Changed terms- guess filter words include ‘n-sty’ and ‘h-lluva.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. the lobsterpot bim still isn’t sure whether or not she should validate the Feinstein/Ford rape hoax tactics

    lady what the hell is wrong with you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. “There will always be those who refuse to see reason, but you may never be able to reach or get on the same wavelength as them.”

    Here’s looking at you, DCSCA.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  32. Parkland survivor: America deserves better than ‘privileged white boy who’s spent his whole life over-drinking’

    ugh how these disgusting parkland people have absolutely no class or dignity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. They will not attack the school administration, nor the police department which enabled that psycho.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  34. Ty Cobb was another good and decent man slandered by Teh Narrative. But you can’t tell fools that. They know all from their pop culture depth of understanding.

    JSkorcher (8adcb8)

  35. @30. What does that mean Haiku? Per the commenting rules, is there an argument there?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. You are not Tony Stark, Senator. Show some spine and ignore the last minute buttonholing.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  37. I am super happy that Donnelly will vote no. It will take something extraordinary for him to win re-election now. Very extraordinary. What a two-years for Indiana! First, they reject an all-time cool and popular Evan Bayh, and now they will launch Mr. Hoosier Values himself, Joe.

    Tester’s stoopidity is also most welcome.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  38. Lot of buzz on Twitter about Flake flaking.

    We’ll see what happens, as the con man in chief says.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  39. The same thing happened to all the Republicans after the hearing, nk. Security was there but apparently they don’t interfere with yelling, only if something physical happens.

    It’s kind of healthy that we have the right to bullyrag and hector our elected representatives in a government building. I’m not saying that people should be free to physically attack them or even so much as impede their progress, but if I saw Cory Booker in the halls of the Hart Building I would think that I should be permitted to shout some degree of invective at him (provided my language wasn’t ridiculously profane).

    JVW (42615e)

  40. My guess is this is about delaying the vote. Dems giving Flake assurances that they will play it straight if delay is granted.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  41. Well, yes, I suppose, that’s where the term “lobbying” comes from after all.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. This is in support of his heretofore notoriously racist kids and is both a reminder to them to “get right” and also to us to “be willing to forgive youthful indiscretions”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  43. We know what a slimy bugger, flake is I thought him a cool but he’s really a,knave.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  44. Let’s not hatchet Flake until the plot is hatched.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. Farg it then – let NWI + South Bend secession commence!!!

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  46. unlike bitter spiteful loser jeff flake real americans don’t have an endless appetite for having moar rape hoax smeared in their face

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. @43 urbanleftbehind – can you take Muncie with you?

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  48. Fool although he could be a foof.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  49. Here we go…

    Patterico (115b1f)

  50. Well the whole state is effed without the north half of I-465 (i.e. Carmel), Broad Ripple, Bloomington and West Laf, so why not (Im not messing with Martinsville, IYKWIM).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  51. If the vote fails, this gets pushed past the election.

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  52. Yeah, Flake flaked. A week’s delay for his vote.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Yeah, they’ll limit it to a week. Riiiiiiight.

    ONE WEEK IS NOT ENOUGH FOR AN INVESTIGATION!!!!!! is what we will hear for the next week now.

    Fantastic.

    It’s not insane in the abstract, honestly. But Democrats will never ever be satisfied with anything.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  54. McConnell is gonna tell Flake to pound sand on delay on the floor.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  55. This might work out very well for the Republicans in the midterms. They were more than reasonable. They allowed the testimony of a woman that (kindest interpretation) seems to be obsessing over a trivial incident she should have put behind her decades ago, or (more likely) made up out of the whole cloth.

    If I thought this was strategy instead of spinelessness, I would be encouraged. The Republicans are no band of Honorable Statesmen Working for the Good of the Country, but the Democrats are arguably batshit insane, and fully in the toils of an ideology that always seems to end in mass graves.

    Sadly, I suspect that the Republicans are simply spineless.

    C. S. P. Schofield (043293)

  56. Fox says that the vote ended up 11-10, all GOPs in affirmative, all Dems in negative.

    JVW (42615e)

  57. UPDATE: The vote has been approved by a partisan vote. Flake as well. But Flake has said he has agreed with Democrats that the floor vote will be delayed for a week to let the FBI look into this. As a technical matter that does not appear required by the vote just taken, but as a practical matter I think Flake just made it happen.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  58. McConnell can indeed bum rush Flake but then Flake might vote no on the floor.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  59. 11-10. Flake vote aye. The nominee will be reported to the floor. So I guess Flake was talking about his floor vote?

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Schedule the vote for a set date, then. No stalling after this.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  61. Mike Judge will be interviewed.

    DRJ (15874d)

  62. Flake agrees it’s up to McConnell.

    Will McConnell have the votes without a one-week delay? I doubt it, after Flake’s statement.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  63. OK, Grassley. Shut this nonsense down. Vote on the 17 other nominees on the calendar.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  64. McConnell should schedule the vote for next Friday, then. One week.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  65. Flake is basically verifying what Patterico thought. His floor vote depends on the week investigation, which Flake thinks might take less than a week (how could he really think this!).

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  66. I guess Flake will be invited to the Democrats’ Christmas Party, so he’s got that going for him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  67. Petticoat junction.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. People are going to be pissed at Flake but I am OK with this. Everybody just needs to hang tough while Democrats pull their BS and it will look better in the end.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  69. And if the FBI refuses? Congress can only refer.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  70. Flake is clearly limiting his willingness to be patient here.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  71. This is utter garbage, after the what the porn lawyer just pulled, but I couldn’t expect any less from him.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  72. I know we’re all tired of how this has dragged on, and I know we all think that a bunch of alleged “victims” are going to come crawling out of the woodwork with bogus stories, but aren’t the Dems running a risk by demanding the FBI investigation? Right now they probably have things as best as they can get them: Prof. Ford’s solid testimony coupled with their talking point that this process has been rushed. One week from now, assuming nothing of any substance comes forward, they will have lost that second talking point.

    JVW (42615e)

  73. I’m definitely pissed at Flake, but it could have been worse.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  74. How many more rape allegations will come out over the next week? What’s the over/under?

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  75. Look forward to Flake being gone. Truly doing great harm to the Republic for his own ego.

    NJRob (ffff5a)

  76. Maybe kimberlin will come up with something like he did in 1988.

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  77. I know we’re all tired of how this has dragged on, and I know we all think that a bunch of alleged “victims” are going to come crawling out of the woodwork with bogus stories, but aren’t the Dems running a risk by demanding the FBI investigation? Right now they probably have things as best as they can get them: Prof. Ford’s solid testimony coupled with their talking point that this process has been rushed. One week from now, assuming nothing of any substance comes forward, they will have lost that second talking point.

    JVW (42615e) — 9/28/2018 @ 11:00 am

    Yes, I think you have a point here. They went on and on and on and on about this FBI investigation. They demanded it instead of asking Kavanaugh better questions. If they get it, they lost their major beef. If nothing comes of this investigation, they will predictably still vote no, still demand some other delay, but with a lot less power.

    There will be new accusations though. The FBI will say it was unable to finish in a week. It will be annoying.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  78. At least 2 more Dejected. Just more tar and mud.

    And more of a leftist frenzy attacking Republicans.

    NJRob (ffff5a)

  79. I knew it, but I didnt have the temerity to ask if one could vote aye in committee and then vote no on the floor if only to buy more time to think it over (let alone have additional investigations conducted).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  80. Will McConnell have the votes without a one-week delay? I doubt it, after Flake’s statement.

    That’s a reasonable assessment.

    Grassley has handed the pigskin off to McConnell; he’s carrying the ball now. What’s a week; let the FBI at least go through the motions of it. If you want Kavanaugh on the court for life, a week is worth it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Patterico, at 54: I agree with the practical argument. McConnell can ignore Flake, as a technical matter he isn’t bound by this at all, but as a practical matter, Flake is threatening to vote against cloture if there isn’t an FBI investigation, and he can *probably* get one of Murkowski or Collins to go along with that. McConnell can only proceed if he’s confident he can hold two of those three votes.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  82. The Flake has arranged this, the GOP won’t realistically stop that investigation. Before it was a stalling tactic to leave the seat open until the election. It was already hard to say that, because when there’s a question about whether something happened, saying no to an investigation sounds like a cover-up.

    The GOP ought to schedule the vote for 1:30 pm, October 5. That’s a week and it’s a Friday.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  83. How meeeeeeean of the Dems to subject Ford to another round of investigation.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  84. There will be new accusations though. The FBI will say it was unable to finish in a week. It will be annoying.

    The leadership should make it clear that the FBI will not be investigating allegations made by the media, the alleged victim has to come directly to the FBI with their claims under penalty of perjury.

    JVW (42615e)

  85. I agree with the practical argument. McConnell can ignore Flake, as a technical matter he isn’t bound by this at all, but as a practical matter, Flake is threatening to vote against cloture if there isn’t an FBI investigation, and he can *probably* get one of Murkowski or Collins to go along with that. McConnell can only proceed if he’s confident he can hold two of those three votes.

    I think this is 100% correct.

    JVW (42615e)

  86. The leadership should make it clear that the FBI will not be investigating allegations made by the media, the alleged victim has to come directly to the FBI with their claims under penalty of perjury.

    JVW (42615e) — 9/28/2018 @ 11:14 am

    Yes, absolutely. None of this litigation by tweets and Avanetti linking Urban Dictionary and hinting at massive gang rape parties.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  87. And if the FBI refuses? Congress can only refer.

    I think one of the Senators — was it Klobuchar? — had a good point in calling it a reopened background check. Wouldn’t we normally want a reopened background check in a situation like this? If it weren’t for all of us being justifiably suspicious about the partisan BS we know is coming over the next week — including ONE WEEK IS NOT ENOUGH! from the same people who just asked for a week — I think we would normally think that is standard protocol for an important job position.

    I’m fine with this.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  88. Flake has been weak-kneed on some issues; he is not a hero to me. But this seems like a sensible decision at a time when sensibility is in short supply.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  89. How many more nut jobs are going to come out of the woodwork in the next week?

    I understand that Flake thinks this is necessary for greater overall approval of the process, but I believe he’s dead wrong and has just guaranteed an even bigger circus than we just had. The clown cars are filling up folks, you ain’t seen nuthin yet!

    harkin (a4b010)

  90. Flake can’t leave soon enough, the rotter.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  91. ‘Course Trump can refuse to order reopening an FBI investigation. But judging by his on camera comments moments ago, he seems a little befuddled on it, but it’s just breaking. But saying no, dumps it back on McConnell to corral the votes. Course it al could be a feign, too, to placate the public. Trump isn’t going to let himself get burned by this. It’s the Senate’s play; if Kavanaugh gets through he’ll claim the win and if he doesn’t he’ll blame McConnell and the Dems for the loss.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. Chutzpah moment after Kavanaugh confirmed in October: Democrats complaining about all of the 4-4 decisions that will have to be re-argued next term.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  93. The leadership should make it clear that the FBI will not be investigating allegations made by the media, the alleged victim has to come directly to the FBI with their claims under penalty of perjury.

    Absolutely. There need to be fine constraints to prevent an open ended, never ending investigation. The alleged victim’s testimony is the only thing that should be followed up by the FBI. If there aren’t those conditions, then Kavanagh will not be seated.

    Dana (023079)

  94. Patterico,

    I’m annoyed with the dirty pool, the dishonest acts and you know more mud will be thrown over the next week as the left asks for anyone to come out of the woodwork.

    Now Kavanaugh won’t be seated for this term of the Court and how many harmful 4-4 decisions will happen thanks to the partisan rancor that will never end?

    NJRob (ffff5a)

  95. Humanity counts for Flake except Kavanaugh’s and Kavanaugh’s family’s. What a [redacted] [redacted][redacted][redacted] boy.

    nk (dbc370)

  96. Flake has rewarded the treachery of Feinstein and the minority party.

    Tell me again about honor.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  97. President Trump just said during a news conference that he will do whatever the Senate wants to do. Although he has to start the ball rolling, he seems to have kicked it back to Capitol Hill, or is waiting for something definitive. The president’s tone was very careful and measured, which was surprising.

    Dana (023079)

  98. “Mike Judge will be interviewed.“

    Sweet! Does he have a new movie coming out or will he be focusing on the whole Idiocracy aspects of this?

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  99. I suspect Murkowski will be the one to step up and support Flake–she doesn’t have to face the voters again until 2022 and apparently a substantial number of Alaska pols have issues with Kavanaugh over Alaska specific issues.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  100. This whole “My assault doesn’t matter!” thing really rips me off.

    I was assaulted in a similar way to what Ford claims happened to her. (Sorry for the mangled sentence.) I can tell you the exact date, the time, who was there, why I happened to be there, who I told the very next day, the location, and why I didn’t report. (The latter even comes with its own corroboration, in the form of an obituary. Talk about a (expletive) 24 hours.) Whether or not any of that would be enough to get to “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a trial, it would certainly be enough upon which to base an investigation. For something that is not a criminal trial, but necessitates good decision-making, it wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    That Blasey Ford cannot provide any basis upon which to start an investigation is… (grits teeth). If the “feminist” message is that we have to believe her because she’s a woman, total lack of evidence be damned, I don’t know how we ask people to take any of us seriously.

    Done ranting. How are you all doing today?

    bridget (03e489)

  101. @94. See #88. He’s befuddled by it- he had just gotten the word. It is an unusual procedure, too, and he keeps making it clear this is a Senate play to run.

    Hot potato, back and forth, eh.

    Are we not entertained?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. There will now be many and sordid accounts of Kavanaugh being drunk while he held the seat as a federal judge.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  103. There will be endless arguments saying one week is not enough, but now Flake has the argument that Committee Democrats said it would be.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  104. and will it be an animated flick like Beavis and Butthead? Being the contrarian in a workplace, I have never heard Kavanaugh’s voice but would it be par for course in Arlen or is that making suburban Maryland more southern than it really is, like the white kids in Remember the Titans?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  105. This whole “My assault doesn’t matter!” thing really rips me off.

    I was assaulted in a similar way to what Ford claims happened to her. (Sorry for the mangled sentence.) I can tell you the exact date, the time, who was there, why I happened to be there, who I told the very next day, the location, and why I didn’t report. (The latter even comes with its own corroboration, in the form of an obituary. Talk about a (expletive) 24 hours.) Whether or not any of that would be enough to get to “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a trial, it would certainly be enough upon which to base an investigation. For something that is not a criminal trial, but necessitates good decision-making, it wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    That Blasey Ford cannot provide any basis upon which to start an investigation is… (grits teeth). If the “feminist” message is that we have to believe her because she’s a woman, total lack of evidence be damned, I don’t know how we ask people to take any of us seriously.

    Done ranting. How are you all doing today?

    Hey bridget. The whole “believe victims!” thing is scary and it’s bizarre how widespread it is in a country supposedly run on principles of due process.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  106. #74. I think the over/under is at about 1.5. 0-1 new allegations, Under, 2+, over. For betting purposes.

    Dejectedhead (32d547)

  107. We’ve gone full Brawndo

    Narciso (7f2eb0)

  108. In retrospect, he should’ve saved this line for now…

    “The time for the clowns and the acrobats and the dancing bears has passed.”

    —- Sen. Ted Cruz

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  109. Murkowski backs Flake’s proposal. McConnell has the ball…

    Haven’t we seen this sort of horse play before?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Qlk7sfZfQ

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. bridget makes a good point.

    It’s like in The Incredibles, where they say if everyone is extraordinary, then no one is. By not analyzing which claims are more credible than others, and just asserting they shall all be believed, it’s undermining the more credible accusations. They are considered equal to the less credible ones, and papered over with PC.

    The problem is one of power. Victims of sexual assault deserve some power, maybe even need it, and that’s why the Start By Believing concept is intended to provide. Power is abused sometimes, but it’s also well used sometimes. This is one of those things that I wish wasn’t political but I guess it always will be.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  111. Will this change one Democratic vote? If it would, then fine but we know it won’t. The whole point is to change GOP votes.

    DRJ (15874d)

  112. maybe the fbi should investigate jeff flake’s disturbingly racist son

    before he acts out on his racist hate

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  113. The same arguments as to the practicalities of delaying the floor vote apply also to the 1-week deadline.

    The deadline will apply to the Ford allegation. It does not, and can not, apply to anything new, as Sen. Coons just insisted in his press gaggle.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  114. So why’s it taking Flake to get an FBI investigation?

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  115. Bingo, called it.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  116. DRJ at 9/28/2018 @ 11:39 am, you sound more concerned with the outcome, rather than the truth.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  117. ONE WEEK IS NOT ENOUGH!

    it only too the sleazy fbi a couple days to sort through hillary’s dirty weiner emails

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. *took* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. Hey bridget. The whole “believe victims!” thing is scary and it’s bizarre how widespread it is in a country supposedly run on principles of due process.

    If the victim if your best friend and the context is that she’s crying her eyes out after her Friday night date, yes, believe her. Help her out, sit her down on the couch, give her a hug, order take-out, and let her cry.

    But that’s not how criminal proceedings should be run, nor is it how job interviews should be run.

    This nonsense works in the short term – people can be bullied into keeping quiet on their support for Judge Kavanaugh – but eventually, no victims are believed and alleged perpetrator can ever clear his name. That’s a terrifying situation.

    Of course, for every time this hits a nice Catholic Georgetown Prep man, it will land dozens of times on young, poor, first-generation black men in college. (Inhale, exhale… growl….)

    bridget (03e489)

  120. Yep, one week just won’t do. Judd Legum:

    Why should an FBI investigation of a nominee for a lifetime appointment be limited to one week?

    Dana (023079)

  121. This is going to put more pressure on Manchin to vote no regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  122. Why do we have a nominally GOP minority, its the same musical chairs a with obamacare, Collins says yea flake says maybe the ghost of Richard Luger says maybe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. McConnell needs to get Flake and Murkowski in there and get them to commit–with witnesses who will leak like sieves if there is further treachery–at a hard deadline where cloture can be invoked and a vote taken with both of them committing to no more shenanigans. If they balk, then call the damned vote and let them take the heat for it if Kavanaugh goes down.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  124. “So why’s it taking Flake to get an FBI investigation?”

    Because it took a flake.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  125. @11. Flake– and Murkowski backs his proposal now. Likely to quell public sentiment and give the Senate a fig leaf on this. One thing is certain, Grassley will get a good night’s sleep tonight; his headache is out of committee now.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  126. DRJ at 9/28/2018 @ 11:39 am, you sound more concerned with the outcome, rather than the truth.

    Tillman (61f3c8) — 9/28/2018 @ 11:43 am

    To make that assumption you have to think DRJ believes the FBI can figure out the truth of this allegation. Does anyone actually believe that? That seems pretty unrealistic given the time since the incident and the low level of detail about it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  127. Vote Republican, so they can go to DC and then completely ignore everything these RINOs promised to do to get your vote.

    Hate Trump all you want. Kavanaugh, like Justice Gorsuch, is a stellar nominee of impeccable credentials. That he is not today Justice Kavanaugh is a disgrace.

    Bugg (8aed21)

  128. ^111. Typo.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. Yes I know Luger is still alive.

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. If a man is presumed guilty just because a woman claims she is a victim and it’s unsubstantiated, then every male is at risk of being not only falsely accused, but found guilty. This is such a dangerous path to go down. With that, however, there is a balance to be found, because not every woman assaulted remembers the date or the time. The location, yes, but not necessarily the address. There is range of what is normal, depending on the individual and the degree of assault. It’s equally dangerous to say that every woman who has been sexually harassed/assaulted would remember all of the particulars. Also, it’s dangerous to assume that they would tell someone right away. It seems as if a lot of people on the right have an expectation of women who have victimized: she will report immediately or it didn’t happen. So wrong.

    Dana (023079)

  131. Also, Flake’s response is going to mean every Republican will have hordes of screaming protesters in their faces everywhere they go. They should remember Flake for every time it happens.

    DRJ (15874d)

  132. @123. Now Manchon supports Flake’s call for delay along w/Murkowski.

    The FBI are pretty resourceful when it comes to gumshoeing down ol’dusty details. Something may come to light. What’s a week. It looks good, anyway.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. Will this change one Democratic vote? If it would, then fine but we know it won’t. The whole point is to change GOP votes.

    Yes, but that goes both ways. If Susan Collins and Lisa Murkoski are pacified by the one-week delay — and they may be — it may be worth it. IOW it could be about changing their votes to yes.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  134. 1. There is NO Corroboration for the accusation.
    2. The details the accuser gave are vague.
    3. Kavanaugh, unlike two Democrat icons (one deceased), has no pattern of behavior in his adult life suggesting the accusation has merit.

    Finally, I don’t believe Ford.

    DN (e91bf6)

  135. OT Dick Lugar-Dennis Miller had a very funny routine about how his name could be changed to accommodate phallus/firearm combo. Penis Uzi, for example. All I can think about to not break stuff right now.

    Bugg (8aed21)

  136. If a man is presumed guilty just because a woman claims she is a victim and it’s unsubstantiated, then every male is at risk of being not only falsely accused, but found guilty. This is such a dangerous path to go down. With that, however, there is a balance to be found, because not every woman assaulted remembers the date or the time. The location, yes, but not necessarily the address. There is range of what is normal, depending on the individual and the degree of assault. It’s equally dangerous to say that every woman who has been sexually harassed/assaulted would remember all of the particulars. Also, it’s dangerous to assume that they would tell someone right away. It seems as if a lot of people on the right have an expectation of women who have victimized: she will report immediately or it didn’t happen. So wrong.

    All quite true.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  137. Patterico (115b1f)

  138. Tillman, it is the Democrats who are more concerned with the outcome than the truth — as evidenced by the fact that this won’t change any of their minds. They have been in lockstep throughout this process. Did any Democrat object to keeping Ford’s story a secret until just before the hearing? Has any Democrat said Kavanaugh might be innocent?

    DRJ (15874d)

  139. The hearing was about pacifying moderate Republicans. The soft questioning by Mitchell was about pleasing moderate Republicans. One more attempt is fine but it won’t end until Kavanaugh loses. Then who will give him a second or third or fourth chance?

    DRJ (15874d)

  140. 131-Ms. Mitchell failed to discuss in any way how familiar Ford was with Kavanaugh; when did they first meet? under what circumstances? How many times before and after? How long? All things a good cross examination would have done rather than try to butter up the witness. Kavanaugh has said firmly he doesn’t recall meeting her thought concedes they may have met each other. Heard a podcast by Malcolm Gladwell about how memory, even of a searing event like 9/11 in his own case, is not quite the lockbox anyone thinks it is. For some reason, good or bad, Ford has imprinted Kavanaugh as her attacker, but that doesn’t mean that is so. Saying 100% over and over and re-reading her letter shouldn’t be enough.

    Bugg (8aed21)

  141. Im sorry I don’t someone to vote down to protest this travesty, Im voting for governor author under duress, and Gloria Allred Knocks back another highball.

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. What would McCain do?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. ….what…”under duress”? I thought you were Team DeSantis from the get go, or did u move, Narciso?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  144. Or did you mean Lex Luthor Rick Scott for Sen.? My Bad.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  145. Team rino has just put an end to Judge Kavanaugh. His life is ruined. I sense one heckuva turnout in November.

    mg (9e54f8)

  146. For senate, Scott has been a mixed bag, for house i I have to vote against sodeberg who enabled the Korean framework.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. Let’s be honest here. This whole week was about satisfying Flake, Collins, et al, and it worked. The GOP Senators agreed to vote for Kavanaugh.

    But then two protesters in an elevator and a Democratic Senator woodshedded Flake and it all unraveled. Flake agreed and then changed his mind. All but Flake and Cokns were all sitting in the conference room ready for the vote and then the Republicans left, mere minutes before the vote, and then no vote.

    You may hate this investigation but you should hate governing like this even more.

    DRJ (15874d)

  148. Done ranting. How are you all doing today?

    Hi bridget. Always nice to hear from you.

    I agree with the point Patterico has been making. For all the kvetching about Grassley and McConnell, the two guys have not lost sight of the ultimate goal, getting Kavanaugh confirmed, and they’ll play footsie with Collins, Murkowski, and Flake as much as necessary to get the damn vote done. For all of those who are saying we should let the Kavanaugh nomination fail and just nominate Amy Coney Barrett, let’s face reality: this will only embolden the Democrats, they will attack Judge Barrett has being a member of an anti-woman and anti-gay cult who lacks an Ivy League pedigree, and Susan Collins will immediately announce that she can’t vote for a SC nominee who has expressed hostility to abortion rights. Pivoting over to Judge Barrett is not a winning strategy.

    JVW (42615e)

  149. Right tell me another story, murkowski stabs us in the back
    More often that brutus and Cassius,

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. “What would McCain do?”

    He would vote no, out of spite.

    DN (e91bf6)

  151. Just vote against the incumbent. You will lose eight incumbent Republicans and 25 incumbent Democrats and gain eight new Democrats and 25 new Republicans.

    #VOTETHEMOUT!

    nk (dbc370)

  152. #145

    Yes, the dems would go after Amy Coney Barrett with everything they have. They won’t be stopped unless you throw it back in their face and beat them. Otherwise, it’s lose, lose, lose.

    DN (e91bf6)

  153. If the FBI investigation is a bust and Kavanaugh ends up confirmed, what next for Dems? Their only option really, is impeachment. Because we all know they are not going to go down quietly. This has so very, very little to do with a woman’s claim of assault. And that has got to be the most disgusting revelation of all, but one that those with supremely vested interests will be blind to: the left is happy to exploit and use women and their pain and suffering if it furthers the cause. They are expendable. They are objects to be used when convenient. Feminists have damned themselves.

    Dana (023079)

  154. Meh. Clearly cowardly DEM senators were anxious; hence avoiding the committee vote.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  155. What makes anyone think Amy Coney Barrett would be the slightest bit interested in accepting a nomination for the position after this week’s ugly side show? She’s Catholic, obviously loves babies and God forbid, life itself.

    Dana (023079)

  156. getting the sleazy corrupt fbi involved is counter-productive if your goal is to have somebody with integrity do further investigation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. The entertainment entrepreneurs (see what i did there) is vvery pleased by this turn of events.

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. From 1988:

    ‘[Acting Attorney William Barr and FBI Director William S. Sessions] emphasized they have no evidence linking either Syria or Iran to the Pan Am 103 bombing. Those nations were prime suspects in the early stages of the investigation, but the evidence ultimately implicated the Libyans.

    Barr said the charges were the result of “a brilliant and unrelenting investigation” by FBI agents and Scottish police who combed 845 square miles of territory “inch by inch, month after month” for clues from the widely scattered debris. The investigation concluded that Pan Am 103 was blown up by a plastic bomb that had been built into a Toshiba radio-cassette recorder, then put into a suitcase packed with clothing; the suitcase was stored in a forward cargo hold.

    Two fragments — each smaller than a fingernail — and tiny bits of clothing proved crucial in solving the case. One fragment, driven by the blast into the large cargo container, was found to be part of the Toshiba’s circuit board. ‘- source, WaPo.com

    The boys and girls at the FBI are good; very good at their jobs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. Forgot to mention the perjury trap BK personally will now be under. If he lies to the FBI about anything in this new interview, or is inconsistent in any way with past interviews, he is done.

    The drinking will likely be the weak link in his testimonies.

    At any rate, he is going down and it will not be about the Ford charges.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  160. The boys and girls at the FBI are good; very good at their jobs.

    yes yes

    if their job is to have tons of sweaty extra-marital sex and subvert democracy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  161. And that’s how the system works ask George papadopolous, bow remember who fords third lawyer is?

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. Have the FBI question Ford with one of their 302 interview forms, no recording.
    Arrest her for lying to the FBI, begin proceedings. She can’t prove her innocence, right?
    Do that to Avenatti’s current creature as well.
    Lather, rinse, repeat; to every accuser that comes out.

    Ingot9455 (afdf95)

  163. #155 step 1) get search warrants for every house that had an upstairs bathroom in 1982 within 100 miles of the Chevy Chase Club 2) put several hundred agents into the FBI time machine (remember to bring search warrants) 3) punch up date for Easter 1982, 4) stake out all upstairs bathrooms 24×7 until Labor Day.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  164. Flake had his I am Booker moment.
    Now take him behind the woodshed.

    mg (9e54f8)

  165. 27
    Will be the number of new charges against them Judge by midweek.

    mg (9e54f8)

  166. The

    mg (9e54f8)

  167. All I know is that somebody in the damn GOP better be interviewing all of the underage hookers down in the Dominican Republic and the bellboys and police and other people involved, and that allegations against Senator Robert Menendez need to be made the day after the first vote-by-mail ballots in New Jersey arrive at voters’ homes. Sit on the juicy material until it’s way too late for Dems to try to switch out someone new in his place.

    Of course Dems will argue with a straight face that they should just elect Menendez anyway and then just force him to resign if the allegations have merit.

    JVW (42615e)

  168. So Flake doesn’t have confidence in his own investigators to have done their investigating well?
    Because the Senate Committee has its own investigators who are not the FBI, but certainly have the FBI as a resource. Maybe they are the “mall cops” of federal investigations and I didn’t know

    steveg (a9dcab)

  169. will the dirty fbi ask diane’s emotionally stunted rape hoaxer for all the social media crap she deleted?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. Dems: It doesn’t matter what the FBI reveals, Kavanaugh will always be evil:

    Yes, of course there should be an FBI investigation. But whatever they find doesn’t change the fact that Kavanaugh, especially after his performance yesterday, is the most dangerous Supreme Court pick of our lifetime.

    For some strange reason, the ginned up hysteria of the Dems garner them real votes. All of which is clearly an indictment against the gullibility of the American people. I was going to qualify that with “American people on the left,” but then I thought about Trump…

    Dana (023079)

  171. what’s striking is how just like filth-dirty Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake is bending over backwards to validate the idea that evidence-free allegations against Republicans should be taken with nigh-religious seriousness

    these dudes creep me the eff out

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  172. Well Murphy is dumber than dirt, but the gramscian long trek through the institutions has had its impact.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. Me as well, happyfeet

    mg (9e54f8)

  174. As a reminder: It took the FBI just three days to investigate Anita Hill’s allegations, and write up their report.

    September 26, 1991: Three days later, the FBI completed its investigation, and a report was submitted to the White House and the Judiciary Committee, according to Smith’s statement.

    Clearly, a week is more than sufficient. Perhaps the Dems have forgotten this?

    Dana (023079)

  175. Be use they have an incentive to flood the zones with more allegations, with the huntress it took till the eve of the election to absolve her of troopergate. Charge.

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. Hmm, according to Fox News, White House has not yet given instructions to investigate Ford’s allegations.

    Uh-oh:

    When asked if they could get the investigation done in a week a Senior FBI official told Fox, “That depends on the schedules of everyone we’d have to interview,” including the accuser, accused and witnesses.

    Dana (023079)

  177. The Russian controlled FBI is in charge now, comrades.

    mg (9e54f8)

  178. This won’t end in a week. When you back down to these creatures, they rebound more vicious than ever.

    DN (e91bf6)

  179. I guess it gots in the way of his gig at MSNBC.

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. Commies run team rino.

    mg (9e54f8)

  181. lol you can see Chris Wray’s sleazy pussyhat fbi going full #resistance already

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. I assume Flake did this to boost his presidential ambitions like his pal Cory.

    mg (9e54f8)

  183. maybe… if he wants to be president of Planned Parenthood

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. @175. The Russian controlled FBI is in charge now, comrades.

    “Red State”?!?! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  185. jeff flake: if kavenaugh has nothing to hide he has nothing to fear from fbi.

    lany (b6b8c0)

  186. “has been less than forthcoming about his youthful indiscretions speaks more to his character in 2018 than 1982″

    This is the sad part of this whole affair…and is the true formula for what Kavanaugh warned about in his heated critique. A dated, uncorroborated, and unsubstantiated accusation is lodged. This opens the door to examining youthful indiscretions….as if engaging in drinking games and frat parties are clear signs of bad character. Then we see all of this feigned indignation from people who either have worse skeletons in their closet or are completely unwilling to reveal their own indiscretions. The idea that public servants must expose youthful behavior for the public to examine and ogle is a silly, short-sighted, and foolish standard. Democrats need to drop this desperation for the good of both institutions….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  187. OK, I’m going to go out on a limb here. What if Flake’s posturing is all about trying to help Martha McSally keep his seat in GOP hands despite facing a serious challenge in what is supposed to be a tough year for the GOP? That doesn’t make what he’s doing to Kavanaugh any more honorable, but what if it is about trying to get Rep. McSally across the finish line? Lefty sites are claiming that their polls show the Democrat is in the lead.

    JVW (42615e)

  188. Doesn’t Jeff Flake realkize that Michael Avenatti has two or three more witnesses warming up in the bullpen, ready to go?

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/797724/michael-avenatti-says-3rd-victim-several-witnesses-brett-kavanaugh-imbroglio

    Avenatti told Politico he represents a group of individuals who can corroborate allegations involving Kavanaugh and Judge, but he would describe just one of his clients as a victim. “I represent multiple clients, they are witnesses” to events “not out of character from what Dr. Ford said,” Avenatti told Politico. “They went to schools in the same general areas. These house parties were widely attended.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  189. lol speaking of the dirty corrupt Chris Wray FBI

    John “TIG” Tiegen

    8h8 hours ago

    John “TIG” Tiegen Retweeted Rocky Brown

    I am officially asking the @FBI to investigate @HillaryClinton for mishandling classified information and lying to Congress. This is how it works right @CNN @MSNBC @FoxNews asking for a friend

    yes yes these depraved fascist fbi jackholes are very very selective about what they deign to investigate aren’t they

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  190. Not content to stop at running public gang-rapes, the Democrats now call full-throatedly for public stalking:

    “Ian Millhiser

    Verified account

    @imillhiser
    Follow Follow @imillhiser
    More Ian Millhiser Retweeted Sarah Reese Jones
    Tell me again why we shouldn’t confront Republicans where they eat, where they sleep, and where they work until they stop being complicit in the destruction of our democracy.”

    “But Flake has said he has agreed with Democrats that the floor vote will be delayed for a week to let the FBI look into this. As a technical matter that does not appear required by the vote just taken, but as a practical matter I think Flake just made it happen.”

    ‘Jeff Flake’ and ‘made it happen’ in the same sentence is probably a technical contradiction.

    And I don’t see it as affecting the outcome just yet. Jeff Flake may love the attention, but all the GoLaunderMyMoney in the world isn’t going to make him vote against the threat of George W Bush’s drive-by bicycle assassin.

    Pencil-Necked Pundit (b138f1)

  191. Doesn’t Jeff Flake realkize that Michael Avenatti has two or three more witnesses warming up in the bullpen, ready to go?

    A better question is does DF have any idea which room she’s in?

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  192. Remember when GoPe supported Murkowski over Joe Miller? I do.

    How useful would a vote from Alabama be about now?

    NJRob (8b4699)

  193. If the FBI investigation is a bust and Kavanaugh ends up confirmed, what next for Dems? Their only option really, is impeachment. Because we all know they are not going to go down quietly. This has so very, very little to do with a woman’s claim of assault. And that has got to be the most disgusting revelation of all, but one that those with supremely vested interests will be blind to: the left is happy to exploit and use women and their pain and suffering if it furthers the cause. They are expendable. They are objects to be used when convenient. Feminists have damned themselves.

    Dana (023079) — 9/28/2018 @ 12:13 pm

    No. They’d just stack the bench like FDR wanted to do till the Court became his pet.

    NJRob (8b4699)

  194. Sometimes Good Guys Don’t Wear White It’s True That Good Guys Don’t Flake Out

    He’s a bored guy, and in a rut
    And some say his nose points to teh left
    Some of his votes have caused a whole lot of trouble
    And when he’s gone nobody be bereft

    But tell your mama and your papa
    It’s true that good guys don’t Flake out

    Everyday, he works hard
    At night he spends a restless time
    The Cons in Arizona
    At one point he gave ‘em all a bonah

    Go tell your mama and your papa
    It’s true that good guys don’t Flake out

    Good guys bad guys which is which?
    A milquetoast yo yo, or a real sonuva b*tch
    And who’s to say who’s the better man
    When he never done the best he can

    Some thought he had a dirty mind
    Like happyfeet but
    An even stranger kind
    Retirement and easy livin’
    Can’t come close
    To the heartache that he’s given

    So tell your mama and your papa
    It’s true that good guys don’t Flake out

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  195. Drudge has a picture of Flake at the headline. He looks sick to his stomach.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  196. I think there are times and places where the addition of more witnesses reduces the credibility of the allegations.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  197. https://www.commentarymagazine.com/the-tipping-point-brett-kavanaugh

    Maybe Republicans could consent to a new FBI probe into Judge Kavanaugh’s background so long as Democrats concede to a strict time limit on that probe and an up-or-down confirmation vote by a set date. This is a fantasy. With midterm elections just weeks away, lawmakers will soon be heading home to campaign. Democrats will not be satisfied by any FBI probe with an artificial time limit imposed on it, particularly one that is built around the political calendar…The FBI will not resolve this; it will only present facts to lawmakers, who can be expected to leak them promptly to the public in the hopes of seeking some tactical advantage ahead of the vote in November. The public will become more radicalized in the process, and the next Justice to the Supreme Court ever more tainted. There can be no compromise. This is a binary choice.

    You just have to get to the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  198. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/28/2018 @ 12:49 pm

    Jeff Flake is bending over backwards to validate the idea that evidence-free allegations against Republicans should be taken with nigh-religious seriousness

    But Democrats must be presumed innccent, and charges must be backed up, and if they are doomed, swept off the stage as fast as possible.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  199. Dana, at 150: this hasn’t bubbled up to the politicians yet, but the grass roots is already advocating that the next time the Dems have both houses and the President, they should add two seats to the Supreme Court to make up for Garland/Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.

    I think that will doom judicial independence for my lifetime (once the Ds start, the Rs will follow), but when I object, the overwhelming response I get is that the Garland/Gorsuch debacle was so unfair that it has to be done.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  200. 150 Dana (023079) — 9/28/2018 @ 12:13 pm

    150.If the FBI investigation is a bust and Kavanaugh ends up confirmed, what next for Dems? Their only option really, is impeachment.
    Because we all know they are not going to go down quietly.

    That’s in the works, anyway.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-transcript

    WHITEHOUSE: …The very bare minimum that a person who comes forward is owed, is sincere and thorough investigation and you’ve been denied that. And I will make a personal pledge to you, here, that however long it takes, in whatever forum I can do it, whenever it’s possible, I will do whatever’s in my power to make sure that your claims get a full and proper investigation and not just this.

    This has so very, very little to do with a woman’s claim of assault. And that has got to be the most disgusting revelation of all, but one that those with supremely vested interests will be blind to: the left is happy to exploit and use women and their pain and suffering if it furthers the cause. They are expendable. They are objects to be used when convenient. Feminists have damned themselves.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  201. That last paragraph, of course, is from Dana.

    The best way to clear Kavanaugh is to find out and prove who wss responsible for these allegations.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  202. “Most corrupt, discredited, politically tainted Democratic-leaning law enforcement agency in America to investigate Dems’ evidence-free sex assault claims. What could possibly go wrong?”

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  203. Next time a nominee has a “wise Latina” remark in her recent past, there will be no more “Well, I inartfully expressed my belief in diversity,” it will now be that this nominee is a flat-out racial/ethic separatist. And we’ll be justified to going back to her high school and college days to see if we can find someone who claimed that she once expressed any sympathy for FALN, or Fidel Castro, or any other Maoist/Leftist characters. And we can bring out crooked ex-cops or anyone we want who can claim that they have information that the nominee was aiding felons who were plotting terrorist attacks against the U.S., and we can demand that everyone believe it because it’s “credible.” This will be the new reality thanks to the Democrats treatment of Kavanaugh. No one will ever get the benefit of the doubt again.

    JVW (42615e)

  204. https://www.thedailybeast.com/senate-panel-to-ask-for-fbi-investigation-of-kavanaugh-allegations

    Kavanaugh pal Mark Drudge…said he would cooperate with any law enforcement agency that will “confidentially investigsate” the claims, the associated Press reported.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/28/kavanaugh-friend-mark-judge-i-will-cooperate-with-fbi-probe-of-sex-assault-claims.html

    •A lawyer for Mark Judge, the high school buddy of embattled Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, told CNBC that Judge “will answer any and all questions posed to him” by the FBI about serious sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh….

    …•” If the FBI or any law enforcement agency requests Mr. Judge’s cooperation, he will answer any and all questions posed to him,” Judge’s lawyer Barbara Van Gelder told CNBC in an email.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  205. How do you figure that, JVW? Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  206. Has anyone heard even a semi-serious suggestion of what the FBI investigation could possibly find that might – even in principle – corroborate Ford’s accusation?

    There would be no chance of obtaining physical evidence, even if they knew where the crime scene was located, which they do not.

    All four other people she has claimed were present have denied her charges, under penalty of felony and/or perjury. Unless one of them says “indict me” by recanting their earlier statements, the “investigation” will simply recapitulate what they’ve already said.

    Even Slow Joe Biden – in the recently unearthed tape from the Thomas hearings – knew that the FBI will *not* attempt to reach any conclusions about which of two conflicting accounts is the truth.

    Dave (1b5f3f)

  207. “Dana, at 150: this hasn’t bubbled up to the politicians yet, but the grass roots is already advocating that the next time the Dems have both houses and the President, they should add two seats to the Supreme Court to make up for Garland/Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.

    I think that will doom judicial independence for my lifetime (once the Ds start, the Rs will follow), but when I object, the overwhelming response I get is that the Garland/Gorsuch debacle was so unfair that it has to be done.”

    I suspect what has happened is due largely to #metoo… this whole issue backfired on Democrats when so many of them in Hollywood, the media, Congress were taken down. It was meant to be weaponized and used against Republicans, especially Trump. The issue caught fire AFTER Gorsuch’s confirmation and now the Left is trying to wring something out of it, whatever the cost to America.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  208. President Trump has just ordered the FBI to re-open a supplemental background investigaion.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  209. President Trump has just ordered the FBI to re-open a supplemental background investigaion.

    What a #$Q@*!% RINO cuck Trump is, eh?

    Dave (1b5f3f)

  210. Ivanka got to him. And heck, JVW, that type of talk is gonna embolden the Dems to go all out on Kavs, even if its eunuch androids only for both sides going forward.

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  211. “What would McCain do?”

    Scratch violently at the inside of his coffin lid?

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  212. As for how much of a friend Mark Drudge was (they’re being portrayed as being as close as Archie and Jughead)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-transcript

    KAVANAUGH: Mark Judge was a friend of ours in high school who developed a very serious drinking problem, an addiction problem that lasted decades and was very difficult for him to escape from.

    And he nearly died. And then developed — then he had leukemia as well, on top of it.

    Now, as part of his therapy — or part of his coming to grips with sobriety, he wrote a book that is a fictionalized book and an account….

    (CROSSTALK)

    KAVANAUGH: I think he picked out names of friends of ours to throw them in as kind of close to what — for characters in the book. So, you know, we can sit here…

    LEAHY: So you don’t know — you don’t know whether that’s you or not?

    KAVANAUGH: … we can sit here and you (ph) like (ph), make — make fun of some guy who has an addiction…..

    MITCHELL: ….Do you know Mark Judge?

    KAVANAUGH: I do.

    MITCHELL: How do you know him?

    KAVANAUGH: He was a friend at Georgetown Prep, starting in ninth grade. He’s a — someone we would — in our, you know, group of friends. We’re a very friendly group in class. He saw the letter that’s been sent by my friends from Georgetown Prep. Funny guy, great writer, popular, developed a serious addiction problem that lasted decades. Near death a couple times from his addiction. Suffered tremendously from.

    MITCHELL: What is your relationship with him like now?

    KAVANAUGH: I haven’t talked to him in a couple years. We’ve probably been on, you know, mass e-mails that — or, group e-mails that go around among my high school friends.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  213. How do you figure that, JVW? Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    Leviticus (efada1) — 9/28/2018 @ 1:57 pm

    Did the leader of the opposing party say they would do everything possible to defeat the nominations?

    NJRob (8b4699)

  214. Trump had absollutely no choice but to order a renewed FBI investigation if the nomination was not to fail, and he probably was given this advice by Don McGahn and Mitch McConnell.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  215. Leviticus (efada1) — 9/28/2018 @ 1:57 pm

    Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    This only happens when the vote is close.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  216. Fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct also hapepned to Donald Trump (like that lady on ana airplane in 1979) and Roy Moore in Alabama. Important and possibly close elections.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  217. Dave (1b5f3f) — 9/28/2018 @ 1:58 pm

    Even Slow Joe Biden – in the recently unearthed tape from the Thomas hearings – knew that the FBI will *not* attempt to reach any conclusions about which of two conflicting accounts is the truth.

    But that was before Comey did just that with Hillary Clinton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dYRUhQdK0E

    That wasn’t actually within the rules, wither. Rod Rosenstein in fact wrote amemo saying he should be fired for that. Of couyrse he must have been following instructions from the political level.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  218. How do you figure that, JVW? Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    Leviticus (efada1) — 9/28/2018 @ 1:57 pm

    Maybe they did did, Leviticus. Reading between the lines yesterday, there’s clearly a private, discrete way these Senators have handled those allegations in the past, in order to preserve the Court’s dignity and protect the people offering allegations. They have closed door investigations and hearings. I would be surprised if none of those people you mentioned didn’t have some dirt come up, and investigated.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  219. Fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct also hapepned to Donald Trump

    No they didn’t.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  220. to be clear this delay has nothing to do with the sleazy corrupt Chris Wray FBI serving up some kind of closure

    this is about Jeff Flake and Lisa Murkowski validating the idea that deranged lying metoo pig-dogs like chrissy ford get to lob evidence-free charges at Republicans ad nauseam and with impunity AND

    this is key:

    what sleazy slimy coward jeff flake’s so keen to do is to set the precedent that all of this will now routinely be refereed by the corrupt treasonous fascists at the fbi

    the long and short of it?

    these obscene FBI traitors now have a veto over presidential appointees

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  221. How do you figure that, JVW? Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    That things have gotten progressively (don’t pardon the pun) worse. That Democrats are so intent on fighting Donald Trump that they don’t care about collateral damages. That #MeToo has become just another armament in the left-wing arsenal, now that the Dems have sacrificed Weinstein, Franken, Schneiderman, and Conyers, and it no longer has anything to do with actually trying to hold men accountable, it has to do with scoring political points. How else can you explain the Dems silence on Bob Menendez and Keith Ellison, unless word has gone out that no more Democrats are to be sacrificed?

    JVW (42615e)

  222. Has anyone heard even a semi-serious suggestion of what the FBI investigation could possibly find that might – even in principle – corroborate Ford’s accusation?

    No. Any new information would likely contradict Ford’s statements or they would have to flip existing statements.

    On the R side all of this is meant to get senators off the fence and on the D side this is just a delay tactic.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  223. “No they didn’t.”

    Yes they did. Some may have been true, others were most certainly false. Operating as though all of them are true is what a mentally ill partisan does.

    “supplemental background investigation.”

    The only honest way to conduct this is to report back at 11:45 Saturday that ‘we reviewed all current allegations against the nominee for credibility and investigatability and couldn’t find any, here are the statements they already made, get off our case.’

    Pencil-Necked Pundit (1231f6)

  224. There would be no chance of obtaining physical evidence, even if they knew where the crime scene was located, which they do not.

    That’s the genius of the Democrats’ tactics. Any inability to find more evidence corroborating Prof. Ford’s claims will be taken as evidence for the need for even more delay and further investigation. The only remaining question is whether Flake, Murkowski, and Collins fall for this phonus balonus.

    JVW (42615e)

  225. JVW, what’s the relationship between Menendez and #MeToo you are implying? I get that Mendendez is corrupt and swampy, but I was unaware of #metoo type allegations against him.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  226. @207. Trump isn’t going to let himself get burned by this. It’s the Senate’s play. If Kavanaugh gets through, Trump will claim the win and if he doesn’t, he’ll blame McConnell and the Dems.

    Haven’t we seen this kind of horse play before? Watch #107.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  227. Yes they did. Some may have been true, others were most certainly false. Operating as though all of them are true is what a mentally ill partisan does.

    Trump admitted it. He likes to grab women by the p—-. You can get into the weeds of conspiracy theories, and indeed you will probably find something someone said about him was untrue, but it’s hard to see what their motivation was. Trump admitted doing this stuff so why bother inventing a story about it? He sexually assaults women. that’s a fact, not an opinion.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  228. Crap. Was that Christoph again? Time to update the script?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  229. There are allegations that when Sen. Menendez was vacationing in the Dominican Republic with his corrupt buddy, Salomon Melgen, that the two of them solicited and enjoyed the services of underaged prostitutes. The judge at Menendez’s corruption trial (which ended in the mistrial or hung jury or whatever) would not allow prosecutors to pursue that line of inquiry. If we are to hold Menendez, who is accused of this behavior as a elder adult within the last 10 years, to the same standard that we are holding Kavanaugh, who is accused of this behavior as a teenager nearly two-score years ago, then authorities should be coming the DR for leads. Why did these women suddenly recant and say they were paid to make the allegations? Who paid them initially, and were they paid more to recant?

    JVW (42615e)

  230. Is this paranoia? Or a reasonable interpretation of the situation?
    ********************************************************************

    “Now the real reason for FBI insider Michael Bromwich to join the efforts on September 22nd surfaces. Bromwich, a former inspector general within the DOJ/FBI, is part of the corrupt FBI operational system we have seen surface over the past year. Bromwich represents fired Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. The career operatives within the FBI have a risk from the ongoing internal investigations; and as an outcome, have a mutual interest in assisting Mr. Bromwith. A natural alignment.

    Democrat political operative and attorney Debra Katz (representing Ms. Ford), and Mr. Bromwich, are now aiding the efforts of their political allies. The united interests want Kavanaugh’s confirmation pushed to the mid-term election so they can deploy maximum political benefit to get out their base in a quest to defeat the nomination.

    The delay allows the corrupt FBI inside group to work on discovering more Christine Ford’s, so the process can be dragged out. One week, becomes two weeks, becomes… well, you get the picture… an investigation timeline takes over the internal Senate confirmation timeline. ie. “we can’t hold a vote until the investigation is complete”, blah, blah, blah.

    This is all transparent.

    This is how DC works.

    How much is Jeff Flake’s position worth? Likely tens of millions.

    Flake gives the corrupt DC system a Collins and Murkowski delay. Flake, Collins and Murkowski, give the democrats and corrupt system an endless and useful delay to the mid-terms.”
    ******************************************************
    Read the whole piece here:
    https://bit.ly/2DDdFtT

    ColoComment (58aadb)

  231. Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/28/2018 @ 2:30 pm

    Trump admitted it. He likes to grab women by the p—-.

    He came as close as he ever comes to saying he told a lie: he said that was “locker room” talk.

    And if that’s the truth, you have to believe also that the women let him do it. nk said that was true – for starlets.

    You can get into the weeds of conspiracy theories, and indeed you will probably find something someone said about him was untrue, but it’s hard to see what their motivation was. Trump admitted doing this stuff so why bother inventing a story about it?

    It’s not good enough. Also by the time they’re finished, you;’ll be much more disturbed ast what is the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  232. So some women who claim they were assaulted themselves but with no personal knowledge of the Ford accusation pronounce Kavanaugh guilty with no evidence whatsoever and wear shirts saying ‘Men Are Scum’ because feelings?

    The SCOTUS is in danger all right but not from Kavanaugh.

    harkin (a4b010)

  233. Has anyone heard even a semi-serious suggestion of what the FBI investigation could possibly find that might – even in principle – corroborate Ford’s accusation?

    Kavanaugh’s July 1, 1982 entry on his calendar. Never mind that it mentions different people.

    Kavanaugh did leave things out – he left out church attendance, although he said he attended every Sunday. He said he left it out because it was like brushing his teeth but probably really because that was not something unusual or different from week to week.

    He doesn’t seem to have mentioned going to school, either.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  234. Sam Stein
    @samstein
    Dr. Ford’s lawyer, Debra S. Katz, on FBI probe: “No artificial limits as to time or scope should be imposed on this investigation.”
    __ _

    Ben Shapiro
    @benshapiro
    WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED SUCH A RESPONSE? (aside from everyone with a brain)

    __ _

    Heck of a job, Flakey.

    harkin (a4b010)

  235. While I am at it, just who will tell the FBI to stand down after X number of hours have expired? Why, that would be corrupt Director Wray.

    Trump gonna make that order? McConnell? Murkowski or Flake gonna insist?

    How about control of leakage? Hahahahahahaha.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  236. I wondered why the prosecutor gave Kavanaugh taht definiton of sex to read, but probably it was because what Chirstine Blasey described originally wasn’t a sexual assault. But an imprisonement. She said they laughed. Does that happen with aserious sexual assault?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  237. The ugly story about Trump that I hate the most is when he bragged about being able to walk into the dressing rooms at his beauty pageants while the contestants were dressing, and then some girls from the Miss Teen USA pageant claimed that he had done this very thing to them. That is creepy and cross, and frankly it’s likely to be true, even if you think that Trump was just sharing whale tales with Howard Stern or something.

    JVW (42615e)

  238. “All four other people she has claimed were present have denied her charges, under penalty of felony and/or perjury. Unless one of them says “indict me” by recanting their earlier statements, the “investigation” will simply recapitulate what they’ve already said. “

    Well, that was definitely stated as fact yesterday, I think its important to reality check what actually has been sworn to. The reality is that other than Kavanaugh, in fact, none of them have done that. They have said it in statements, some through attorney’s, but none of them actually “sworn under penalty of…” Press releases, even through your attorney, are just press releases. Like the largest inauguration in the history of the multiverse. Plus, none of them ruled out that it could have happened, just that they didn’t remember it, and one said she believed Ford. All of this is ridiculous, as the reopened background investigation, ahem that I said would take a week (two weeks ago), is now happening after the travesty that yesterday has been established.

    There are a different set of 4 sworn statements by Ford’s Dr, Husband, Friends, that at least attest that she said something about it all the way back to 2002. Those are sworn, but I’m not sure they’re illuminating as they only show that she believed it, which after yesterday was made clear.

    Realistically the only one, at least in the Ford accusation, that I care about, is Judge. But he seems like he has made a career in being the reformed party animal of Georgetown Prep, it would be like asking Blutarsky to be your character witness. I suppose they could find that there were other folks there, who know something, but it obviously wasn’t a giant kegger.

    As for the college days allegation, I can attest that drunk college boys will, in fact, do exactly what was alleged, not me, but I was at least around drunk frat boys doing exactly that, some of them are very successful professionals, great family men, now. It’s not good behavior, but the binge drinking culture of the 80’s was very real, especially in the time where drinking ages graduated from 19 to 21.

    Now I have 2 kids in college and it hasn’t seemed to be nearly as big a deal, although weed is way more prevalent, especially for the one getting her Ph.D. in Colorado. We also didn’t make alcohol a big deal in the house, oddly enough kids don’t like a good double IPA or Sour beer, plus I made them help me homebrew so it just seemed like work, not fun.

    Colonel Klink (f2f4d3)

  239. what kind of self-respecting person enters a freaking beauty pageant anyway

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  240. Shannon Pettypiece
    @spettypi
    A note on what the FBI can and can’t do: This isn’t a criminal investigation, no grand jury, so they can’t subpoena records or force anyone to testify.

    harkin (a4b010)

  241. How do you figure that, JVW? Did every nominee since Clarence Thomas get confronted with fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct? Roberts? Alito? Gorsuch?

    Or just Kavanaugh?

    What do you make of that?

    Leviticus (efada1) — 9/28/2018 @ 1:57 pm

    Aside from Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch and Thomas weren’t filling swing vote seats. Kavanaugh would be. Do you think that has any bearing on the Democrats’ behavior in this process??

    Dana (023079)

  242. The question I have is where were the Capitol Police when Flake was accosted by those two loud women.
    BTW, I don’t begrudge Flake leveraging the one-week delay. I don’t think the FBI will find anything new, and it throws the issue back at the Dems, and it will only further expose the Dems’ bad faith when they vote no en masse regardless of what the FBI turns up.

    Paul Montagu (e7d63b)

  243. During the hearing yesterday, Sen. Grassley referenced a post on the committee website that provides a timeline for recent committee activity in response to the various allegations against Judge Kavanaugh. If you have not reviewed it, go here:

    https://bit.ly/2R6y0KY

    Note the reluctance of the Dems to participate in these activities….

    Perhaps there is more to be learned if the FBI leans on these “witnesses” who claim ignorance, but they’ll all have counsel (if they’re smart, and I’m sure they are), and they’ll all fully understand the peril of speaking with/to FBI (ref: Manafort, Papadopoulos, Stewart, Libby, et al.) I daresay that none will say more than what was in their written statements.

    ColoComment (58aadb)

  244. “I’ve ordered the F.B.I. to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh’s file,” Mr. Trump said in a statement. “As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  245. As they huddled Friday afternoon, senators could not immediately get ahold of the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, according to a person familiar with their discussions, and spoke instead to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, about whether the limited investigation could be done in a week. The White House was lobbying Mr. Flake against his call for a delay in the confirmation vote, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

    that’s a good measure of how corrupt this investigation is already

    the sleazy head of the FBI is awol

    useless coward Jeffy Sessions is nowhere to be found

    and the hapless senators are left dealing with our corrupt Attorney General, dirty Rod Rosypickle, who was last seen attempting a fascist coup on America

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  246. it would be like asking Blutarsky to be your character witness.

    It’s a pity that Sen. Blutarsky doesn’t sit on the judiciary committee, isn’t it?

    I’m sure he could share his first-hand insights on many matters of interest.

    Dave (1b5f3f)

  247. These hearings have put women back many years.
    Why would any man hire a women? When this crap takes place. The only women I would hire would be my sisters, daughters and wife.
    Not Hiring.

    mg (9e54f8)

  248. dirty lick-lick lisa murkowski has two sons

    but she doesn’t necessarily have their respect does she

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. 238… yes! It is strange that they’d let anyone get close to members of Congress on the grounds, let alone the unhinged.

    Colonel Haiku (f611c5)

  250. Not to worry. Hell, didn’t the FBI wrap up the investigations of Weiner’s laptop and Clinton’s email server in less than a week?

    Colonel Haiku (f611c5)

  251. Col. Klink wrote (#234):

    The reality is that other than Kavanaugh, in fact, none of them have done that. They have said it in statements, some through attorney’s, but none of them actually “sworn under penalty of…” Press releases, even through your attorney, are just press releases.

    Here is a .pdf of Judge’s lawyer’s letter dated September 18, 2018. It is not a press release, and I respectfully disagree with Col. Klink.

    Rather, Judge’s lawyer’s letter is addressed to the Chair & Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Although not signed by Judge personally, it is signed by a duly licensed lawyer, Barbara Van Gelder, who asserts that he represents Judge and has been authorized, indeed, asked, by Judge to release the letter. Short of a later showing by Judge that Van Gelder wasn’t his lawyer, and she was lying when she said she was, then the quoted statement within letter is legally binding upon Judge, for purpose of the proceedings now before the Judiciary Committee, as if it were his own statement, signed by him — just as it would have been if his lawyer had, for instance, signed a set of stipulations of fact on his behalf. Lawyers acting within the scope of their implied or (as here) express authority can indeed make binding commitments for their principals, including commitments that can lead to the principal’s criminal jeopardy in some circumstances.

    Without Judge’s personal signature and an express affirmation by him that he was signing “under penalty of perjury,” this letter can’t qualify as an “unsworn declaration” under 28 U.S.C. § 1746. Neither does it qualify as an affidavit — a sworn statement signed before a notary public to embody written testimony given in writing before that notary or another official authorized to administer an oath.

    But the letter very definitely is a “statement or representation” by Mark Judge (through his authorized agent, Van Gelder) within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. § 1001(a)(2), and it was clearly made “in [a] matter within the jurisdiction of the … legislative … branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully,” and quite specifically, per 18 U.S.C. § 1001(b)(2), “[an] investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.”

    Despite it being neither a sworn affidavit or an unsworn declaration with the same effect, then, it definitely subjects Mark Judge to criminal jeopardy (including many years of imprisonment and massive fines) under section 1001(a). If there are falsehoods in the statement, they aren’t prosecutable as “perjury,” but they would indeed be prosecutable as “false statements” to the Judiciary Committee.

    I think this is why we’ve been hearing the (to my ears unusual) phrase of “under penalty of felony,” as opposed to the more usually used phrase, “under penalty of perjury.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  252. 222… Menendez has a predilection for clean, underage, virgin girls, just like his Medicare-cheating criminal sponsor/briber.

    Colonel Haiku (f611c5)

  253. @239. Meh. At least he wasn’t Jim Acosta’d.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  254. It’s a pity that Sen. Blutarsky doesn’t sit on the judiciary committee, isn’t it?

    I’m sure he could share his first-hand insights on many matters of interest.

    Blutarsky was busy at the beach, but if issued a subpoena, you have to show up, and now he’s said he will cooperate, if only privately, with the request for a background check.

    Remember, sexual assault has no statute of limitations in Maryland, so his statements against penal interest could get himself, Kavanaugh, or some other 3rd party into deep doodoo. No one is offering him immunity, and his ex has said that he specificically confided in her that some of these activities took place. If the FBI finds out about other bad acts during this, unrelated to Kavanaugh, they’re obligated to pass it along. So Stinky, Sqee, T-Flop, and Flounder are all probably a bit nervous to have the guy who makes a living off of his harrowing tales of teen debauchery actually swear to tell the truth.

    Colonel Klink (0e3d41)

  255. Beldar (fa637a) — 9/28/2018 @ 3:47 pm

    Thanks for that explanation. I was wondering throughout the hearing why they were very carefully using that particular phasing, “of felony.”

    ColoComment (58aadb)

  256. sexual assault has no statute of limitations in Maryland

    there was never any evidence presented that the creepy metoo rape fantasy lady had ever been sex-assaulted in maryland

    or anywhere

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  257. This delay is a royal PITA, but Kavanaugh will be confirmed… I have no doubt about that.

    Colonel Haiku (f611c5)

  258. Here is a .pdf of Judge’s lawyer’s letter dated September 18, 2018. It is not a press release, and I respectfully disagree with Col. Klink.

    Right, not a sworn anything, that is not testimony, that is not under oath, that has no penalties. The lawyer could be under bar review for knowingly stating falsehoods, but this has all the legal weight of the not paper that it’s not written on.

    Colonel Klink (0e3d41)

  259. So the “swearing on penalty…felony”, is just non-factual, Kavanaugh was under such penalty, Ford as well, those others were not under penalty of anything, but mean tweets I suppose.

    Colonel Klink (0e3d41)

  260. I agree mg. They look petty and mean and hysterical. What they are doing to Kavanaugh and his family is inexcusable. I hope they are okay and stay okay.

    And for the record, even if he did do what she said, I say confirm him now! He obviously has lived a life that more than makes up for some high school mistake.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  261. yes i agree i think if every word the loopy metoo chick said was true he’s still the right guy for this job

    these are frivolous allegations

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  262. Cynically: an FBI investigation could shed light on this case, but it would look a lot like picking on a befuddled but plucky victim.

    bridget (244ba5)

  263. Among the many things that annoy me in all this, is the casual throwing around of the term “sexual assault”.

    “Sexual assault” means something is inserted into a bodily orifice of another person for the sexual gratification of the assailant and without the consent of the assaulted.

    It does not mean any unwanted touch or verbal communication with sexual overtones.

    nk (dbc370)

  264. he’s accused of doing genital grinding on a minor while laughing uproariously

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  265. @ Col. Klink (#255): As for the others:

    Swetnick’s statement, as drafted (using abysmal judgment) for her by Avennati, includes (just before her signature line) the magic language under 28 U.S.C. § 1746 (“I declare under penalty of perjury”) to convert it, for all purposes, into something equivalent to sworn written testimony, just as if it were sworn and notarized. It was published by Avennati on Twitter, but as far as I know, neither he nor Swetnick gave it directly to the Committee; rather, it was referenced indirectly in press accounts entered into the record by various senators, and probably appears somewhere in the written record as taken from Twitter. Swetnick’s most worrisome potential criminal liability is probably thus under the regular perjury laws, including 18 U.S.C. § 1621, not the “false statement” laws.

    As to Leland Ingham Keyser and Patrick J. Smyth: Yes, they, like Mark Judge, made written statements (by letter and email respectively) to the Committee through their lawyers. And like Judge, they therefore are in potential felony criminal jeopardy under the false statements statute, but probably not under the perjury laws.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  266. “Sexual assault” means something is inserted into a bodily orifice of another person for the sexual gratification of the assailant and without the consent of the assaulted.”

    Uhh, no, not a chance, not even close. Sexual assault is an act in which a person sexually touches another person without that person’s consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will. Note there is no requirement for intercourse, nor penetration, in any manner.

    In Maryland, a Sexual Assualt charge is specifically either a Rape, or a Sexual Offense, but all are under the category of Sexual Assualt, there are also different penalties, from 1st-degree felony to a misdemeanor. In the Ford case, the description matches that of a Third Degree Sexual Offense. Third Degree – A felony with a sentence not more than 10 years in prison

    Colonel Klink (713e6e)

  267. Statutory citation? And was that the Maryland law in 1982? And what did Maryland’s juvenile court act say in relation to the 1982 law and the alleged conduct by a 17-year old? I will grant you that when the victim is a minor, fondling is enough. Ford says she was fifteen and that may make the difference.

    nk (dbc370)

  268. the sleazy corrupt justice department isn’t going to prosecute their boy Avennati or any of these daffy metoo loser chicks

    that’s not what they do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  269. As to Leland Ingham Keyser and Patrick J. Smyth: Yes, they, like Mark Judge, made written statements (by letter and email respectively) to the Committee through their lawyers. And like Judge, they therefore are in potential felony criminal jeopardy under the false statements statute, but probably not under the perjury laws.

    Again, meaning not sworn. They may, possibly, in a potentially conceivable way, in strict, yada yada, meaning not sworn. When you actually show up, and swear, either in a committee room, or for an interview with staff, or the FBI shows up to interview you, there is zero argument that it is a sworn statement. It is more than it technically, might, potentially, mean a thing.

    You could argue successfully that a letter sent via some mechanism, to Senate committee is not subject to those rules quite easily, hence they’re under zero threat if they came and testified, then it could be used to impeach them, but that isn’t going to happen.

    And Avenatti tweeting a picture of a document is barely even a press release, again, worth no more than the not paper its not printed on that was filed with a not court. Twitter doesn’t count. That guy is not…my favorite member of the bar.

    There will be no revelation, as I’ve been stating for weeks, the Ford claim is totally believable and completely unprovable. There’s a reason Feinstein sat on it till the house member leaked it, Ford didn’t want to come forward, didn’t have corroboration, so there was really nothing to do with it. She should have shared it with Grassley, probably. But the last week of this thing has been totally unnecessary, once it did leak, once she came out publically, open the background investigation, close the background investigation, move on. If they find evidence, bounce Kavanaugh on his ear, bring in Amy, if not, push on and put Amy on deck.

    Colonel Klink (713e6e)

  270. @97. Well said, bridget, and I’m sorry that that happened to you.

    Paul Montagu (e7d63b)

  271. Mitt Romney

    ‏Verified account @MittRomney

    US Senate candidate, UT

    I support the decision to re-open the FBI background investigation into the allegations made by Dr. Ford. It is my earnest hope that this will help inform the Senate and ensure the integrity of the Supreme Court.

    what a vile and truly indecent person this guy is

    completely amoral, and just very very cruel and uncaring

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  272. I don’t quibble with the term “sexual assault,” but I object vociferously to the use of the term’s “rape” or “attempted rape,” for which there has been zero direct or circumstantial evidence from anyone, other than Dr. Ford’s statement that she “believed he was going to rape me.” Despite her impressive CV and research in psychology, she’s not a mind reader, and she’s not competent to testify as to his mental processes, but only the outward manifestations of that (e.g., “He said, ‘I’m going to rape you,'” or, “He unbuckled his belt and unzipped his pants and took out his penis,” nothing like which has been claimed).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  273. “The ugly story about Trump that I hate the most is when he bragged about being able to walk into the dressing rooms at his beauty pageants while the contestants were dressing, and then some girls from the Miss Teen USA pageant claimed that he had done this very thing to them. That is creepy and cross, and frankly it’s likely to be true, even if you think that Trump was just sharing whale tales with Howard Stern or something.”

    It’s no more or less gross than women reflexively siding with other women when they tell enormous lies about prior rape and sexual assaults for that frission of an emotional hit, possible generation of personal connection and likely future financial remuneration.

    And even in your Buzzfeed (lol) link, four say yes, eleven say no, and the one man who was there was on a show specifically about telling your most over-the-top sex stories whether or not they happened.

    Men bond via put-downs and outrageous stories they don’t really mean, women bond through compliments and motivated emotional mirroring they don’t really mean. It was ever thus, and it will ever be again.

    Pencil-necked Pundit (8539b1)

  274. (Apologies from the Unneeded Apostrophes Club, aka the Unneeded Apostrophe’s and/or Apostrophes’ Club.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  275. 30 year impeccable record thrown out on an unfounded accusation all for power politics. Every man must wonder if there’s anyone in their past or just someone out there who wants to destroy them because this gives them the ability to do so.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  276. So murkowski is pulling a landrieu, Jones is voting just the way o’donnell wanted her to, but there is some satisfaction because Roy Moore, if we lose some our liberties my bad.

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. According to what I am reading multiple places, in 82, in MD, as verified by local police, attempted rape was a misdemeanor with a 1 yr statute of limitations. Kinda amazing.

    Susanita (ff5eab)

  278. So Ford said friend Leland Peyser denied, under oath, that the party took place because Peyser “has health problems”. Thus Ford pretty much accused her best friend of submitting a false statement under oath.

    I hope the FBI investigates Ford’s credibility, as well.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  279. As I’ve said repeatedly, this is the Democrats being Lucy with the football and now it’s Flake playing the part of Charlie Brown.

    Does this mean that the Dr’s social media history will be open for examination?

    NJRob (1d7532)

  280. The GOP announced it’ll vote tomorrow to proceed on Kavanaugh’s nomination and the FBI investigation is to last no longer than one week.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  281. Anyone think it possible that Dr. Ford won’t possibly be able to submit to FBI interrogation after having suffered such an exhaaaaaauuuusssssting odeal? Availability of her lawyers to be present not going to be an issue?

    How about negotiating with the FBI over every last detail of the interrogation? Who “negotiates” on behalf of the FBI? Who can direct that person (FBI boss) in such a process?

    Then, just what will satisfy the “concerns” of the Gang of 4 as to a complete “process?” There is no possible Snickers bar, here. Nothing will satisfy.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  282. I think the FBI has already said much depends on the schedules of the peeps to be interviewed.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  283. attempted rape was a misdemeanor with a 1 yr statute of limitations

    it’s important to specify a short period of time since so many people lie and say hey someone tried to do “attempted rape” on me, but it never actually happened

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  284. does stormy get jealous when avenatti hooks up with fresh new dirty prostitution women

    he starts trotting them around like he used to trot her around

    does it make her feel old and used up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  285. P-n-P, men used to have Penthouse Forum for that bit of signifying.

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  286. yes yes

    policies and procedures

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  287. So …will Flake now admit he was suckered and tell McConnell he’s got his vote?

    nk (dbc370)

  288. the good thing is all the rapists President Trump has already been able to get confirmed on the lower courts

    there’s a *chance* one or two of them may be willing to be nominated for the Supreme Court if Ruth kicks off

    so it’s not like they’re going to be completely unable to find people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  289. Babylon Bee once again nails it with double-barreled satire:

    Confirmed: Unpleasant Facial Expressions Now Admissible As Evidence Of Guilt

    https://babylonbee.com/news/confirmed-unpleasant-facial-expressions-now-admissible-as-evidence-of-guilt

    and

    Senate To Be Replaced With Room Full Of Monkeys Throwing Feces

    https://babylonbee.com/news/senate-to-be-replaced-with-room-full-of-monkeys-throwing-feces

    harkin (a4b010)

  290. Frick that if Foed Ubaru is balking on that 1 week ish…vote Monday at 9.00am sharp EDT.

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  291. About the aba or something else?

    Narciso (0cba89)

  292. *Ford Suburu

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  293. “Step 1: Assume guilt as soon as allegation is made without evidence.
    Step 2: Promote value of FBI investigation
    Step 3: Suggest outcome of such investigation is irrelevant and nominee is disqualified anyways.”

    — AG conservative

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  294. here’s how you corroborate 80s-era teen-on-teen rape new york times style

    Agents could also investigate several details that could corroborate Dr. Blasey’s story. Weeks after she was assaulted, Dr. Blasey said, she saw Mr. Judge at a local Safeway grocery store. In his book, “Wasted,” Mr. Judge wrote that he worked as a bag boy in a local supermarket. The F.B.I. could ask either Safeway or Mr. Judge for employment records to determine whether he worked there during that period.

    go FBI go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  295. Flake… Collins… Murkowski…

    Teh Three Stooges

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  296. I guessed that about the ABA — that it was one rogue agent and not the committee.

    nk (dbc370)

  297. I guess Flake was stupid enough to believe, after being eyewitness to ceaseless bad faith by Democrats, that they would accept his gesture in good faith.

    You really cant be much more stupid, the only way he could be dumber is if he made this move thinking appearing bold would be the result when all he looks is weak and clueless.

    I will support Kavanaugh, but before we vote let me spray gasoline on the process”

    harkin (a4b010)

  298. It’s September so its immolating buddhists.

    Narciso (0cba89)

  299. And never forget, the “media” made this happen. All that sympathetic coverage for Dr. Blasey Ford and it’s said that 4% of the coverage mentioned Kavanaugh had corroboration on his side.

    Shameful… and they wonder why they are thought to be biased.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  300. They might have something on him. Wide stance maybe?

    nk (dbc370)

  301. There,is boss then there is media malpractice,

    Narciso (0cba89)

  302. That a-hole Flake standing in the elevator like a 7 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Get the Hell out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  303. Bias, he can’t stop being a jackass, remake betty tells at her and he folds like a deck xhair

    Narciso (0cba89)

  304. Bias, he can’t stop being a jackass, remake betty tells at her and he folds like a deck xhair

    this has nothing to do with sexually assaulted metoos (joke women) in elevators or anywhere else

    Jeff Flake doesn’t give a crap about sexual assault

    what Jeff Flake wants is to make it hard for the administration to find people for jobs

    that’s his interest in this, so he wants to smear rape in Brett’s face, in Brett’s daughters’ faces, and in Brett’s wife’s face for as long as possible

    as publicly as possible

    as humiliatingly as possible

    that who Jeff Flake is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  305. oopers *that’s* who Jeff Flake is i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  306. Corey L. would have cleared that elevator out. If Flake had a tether hook he could have tricked them into a Rosalind Shays moment.

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  307. The delay for an idiotic, pointless FBI investigation is frustrating, but I’m glad we have people like Flake who have a conscience.

    If you want to see what the alternative leads to, look across the aisle.

    Dave (b5a707)

  308. Isn’t this the same plan, they employed again Miguel Estrada for how many years, updated for the #metoo generation?

    Narciso (0cba89)

  309. It is not “wide stance” but perhaps parental encouragement of his kids and their pecadillos, would he gave a spit if dey were white non-h: http://abc7chicago.com/politics/protester-who-confronted-flake-everyone-had-an-impact/436317

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  310. dick durbin hated Miguel cause he was hispanic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  311. No because he was of excellent ability and character, they promote sotomayor because she
    Is,frankly mediocre.

    Narciso (0cba89)

  312. Well, good to know there will be a vote in a week and that this will FINALLY satisfy the Democrats.

    Not.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  313. Again, in a game of Whack-a-Mole, you will always lose if you won’t whack moles.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  314. I hope that Arizonans give Flake a hearty welcome home.

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  315. Agents could also investigate several details that could corroborate Dr. Blasey’s story. Weeks after she was assaulted, Dr. Blasey said, she saw Mr. Judge at a local Safeway grocery store. In his book, “Wasted,” Mr. Judge wrote that he worked as a bag boy in a local supermarket. The F.B.I. could ask either Safeway or Mr. Judge for employment records to determine whether he worked there during that period.

    There are JFK assassination theories that are a lot more buttoned-down that this rot. She saw him at a local Safeway store (amazing as that seems), so the fact that he worked at a Safeway store verifies her whole story! And if he worked at Wal-Mart, she still might have seen him at a Safeway!!1!! What more do you want!!!

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  316. 4% of the coverage mentioned Kavanaugh had corroboration on his side.

    Who wants to be called a “rape apologist”?

    Kevin M (d6cbf1)

  317. How come teamrino won’t force the politically savvy democrats to impeach him like they say they will? Impeach him from his judgeship now. Gutless republicans

    mg (e60689)

  318. Flake has a conscience?

    Oh, what a con job that is.

    Flake made a deal with the devil to spare his social relationships with D which will end up failing anyway.

    Flake aided and abetted in bearing false witness on an innocent man to “feel better”about himself too.

    Flake is an immoral ghoul whose fate should be worse than Job’s.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  319. Let us be honest, a significant amount attempted rape allegations are either wishful thinking or last second regret.

    Some are true too.

    Point is women lie a lot.

    So do men,

    This is why facts matter and not empathy.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  320. He’s like his name. And did you know his hometown is Snowflake? Snowflake, Arizona.

    nk (dbc370)

  321. Ana Maria Archila, one of the women who confronted Jeff Flake on the elevator at the Capitol after he said he was voting for Brett Kavanaugh, is the co-executive director for the Center for Popular Democracy and the Center for Popular Democracy Action Fund.

    The Center For Popular Democracy is heavily funded by George Soros. The organization also identified Maria Gallagher to the press as the other woman confronting Flake.”

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-confronted-flake-in-elevator-runs-soros-funded-organization/

    harkin (a4b010)

  322. Flake loves Soros.

    Who is kidding who.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  323. NBC News reports LATimes story that FBI agents are already on the move, contacting two female Yale classmates of K’s, attempting to schedule an interview w/one as early as tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  324. @321. When you figure out who is funding source foor the Wellspring Committee, the group financing the Judicial Crisis Network, which has spent millions in ad buys marketing Brett Kavanaugh, let us know. Now that’s a ‘true detective story’ for armchair Columbos.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  325. Grassley is a fool. He was played. Team rino is a sacless cult.

    mg (9e54f8)

  326. So they can be harassed and bankrupted so only Soros and steyer can speak no thanks speaking of felons he cracked the pound sterling and the shattered the renimbi.

    Narciso (0cba89)

  327. Mark Judge hasn’t denied knowing Dr. Ford. If she saw in and they exchanged hellos at a Safeway later in the summer of 1982, that has zero bearing on whether Dr. Ford ever knew Kavanaugh or he ever knew her, nor on whether they were together with Mark Judge at a house party when Kavanaugh allegedly sexually assaulted her.

    This is an extremely obvious red herring. This red herring, if smoked or pickled, could feed a village of 800 for a winter.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  328. *If she saw him (Judge) and they exchanged hellos, I ought have written.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  329. Why didn’t team rino tell fake accuser number 1 to file a police report in Ohwhatitsname Maryland. Zip code unknown.
    Cowardly team rino makes me sick.

    mg (9e54f8)

  330. Classic, that a Soros-funded hack was the one who accosted Flake in an elevator this morning. That’ll teach him to use the stairs. It’s a healthier, less confrontational option.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  331. Scorpion is,going to sting his reaction is the point.

    Narciso (0cba89)

  332. OT… I just watched “The Last Movie Star”, Burt Reynolds’ last film. What a sweet little movie.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  333. @332. Meh. White Lightning here this evening. Good ‘ol boys; big ‘ol cars.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  334. Follow the crazies…

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  335. OT… I just watched “The Last Movie Star”, Burt Reynolds’ last film. What a sweet little movie.

    I understand that’s one of those movies that was initially poorly reviewed that everyone is now taking a second look at and deciding it might actually be pretty good. I’ll have to track it down.

    JVW (42615e)

  336. Mark Judge hasn’t denied knowing Dr. Ford. If she saw in and they exchanged hellos at a Safeway later in the summer of 1982, that has zero bearing on whether Dr. Ford ever knew Kavanaugh or he ever knew her, nor on whether they were together with Mark Judge at a house party when Kavanaugh allegedly sexually assaulted her.

    That’s like the other one that’s making the rounds among the rabid left which can be summarized as OMG, Brett Kavanaugh’s diary has an entry for a party he attended during the summer of 1982 and that’s exactly the timeframe when Christine Blasey Ford said that he tried to rape her so that goes to show that she’s telling the truth!!!!!!! Man, the things the #MeToo nutjobs insist we accept as “evidence.”

    JVW (42615e)

  337. Flake loves Soros.

    Who is kidding who.

    Evidence?

    Dave (445e97)

  338. Meanwhile, back in the real world, Jeff Flake has the third most conservative voting record in the current Senate.

    He is slightly to the right of Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse, and trails only Rand Paul and Mike Lee.

    Dave (445e97)

  339. He is slightly to the right of Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse, and trails only Rand Paul and Mike Lee.

    Yep, and he’s called a Soros-loving cuckservative and such because he criticized Trump and passed on pledging any sort of fealty to this shallow president.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  340. 334… I had last seen Reynolds about a year or so ago when one of the car auction tv shows was auctioning one of the s and the b cars… I was shocked, as the last i’d seen him was that ‘97 movie with Wahlberg. Old and crippled and had to be helped around. This movie had to have been filmed maybe a year before that auction. It brought a tear to my eye.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  341. 339… don’t know about all that, but he knew he couldn’t get re-elected and this latest backtrack is for the birds. A serious Eff-up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  342. Flake has been doing his Cory Booker routine. What a flaking loser.

    mg (e60689)

  343. Women all over the world will be penalized by this carnival barking Soros lap dog.

    mg (e60689)

  344. Attacking these two sexual assault survivors for remonstrating with mormon jeff flake as they desperately try to keep the elevator door open. tells us more about you then it does about them.

    lany (ab25ec)

  345. the filthy men and women of the corrupt chris wray fbi are moonlighting as rent-a-cops for dirty prostitutes now

    The FBI is Now Investigating the Shady Vice Squad That Cuffed Stormy Daniels

    go FBI go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  346. A Seattle woman who said she was inspired by the televised hearing into the sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, has accused a Washington state senator of raping her 11 years ago.

    Candace Faber, 35, tweeted the allegations against Washington state Sen. Joe Fain, a Republican, Thursday following the hours-long hearing where Kavanaugh and his accuser Christine Blasey Ford both testified, the Seattle Times reported.

    lol the rape hoax chicks are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  347. Is she going to put on MILF-movie glasses and talk like Betty Boop, too?

    nk (dbc370)

  348. poochie hasn’t scrubbed her social media so she’s not following the milfy-boop script

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  349. Meanwhile, back in the real world, Jeff Flake has the third most conservative voting record in the current Senate.

    There are 105 Senators? Whatever. Always believe lists put together by Angela Davis.

    nk (dbc370)

  350. jeff flake, who raised a viciously racist son, claims to be an ardent fan of the wiggly giggly fetuses, but he went all out to get abortion enthusiast Doug Jones elected!

    he’s just unprincipled and sleazy, i don’t think you can really assign a for reals ideology to him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  351. He got suckered by a couple of shrill shrews. And also by the two activists at the elevator.

    nk (dbc370)

  352. maybe this is how he’s atoning for his own raper proclivities

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  353. There are 105 Senators?

    105 people have held senate seats in the current congress, yes.

    There are two ex-senators from Alabama, one each from Minnesota and Mississippi, and a late senator from Arizona.

    Dave (445e97)

  354. This seems to be a good prescription…

    “The Democratic strategy toward Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been apparent since September 4. Within minutes of Chuck Grassley calling the Judiciary Committee to order, Democrats began to interrupt him. They wanted to delay the hearing until their demands for documents had been met. They managed to prolong the hearing for about an hour. Then they retreated.

    The objective was clear: Delaying the confirmation would be tantamount to defeating the confirmation. Why? Because if the delay lasted past Election Day, and if Democrats took the Senate, then the empowered minority could pressure two wayward Republicans into voting No. In January the Democratic Senate could block any subsequent Trump nominee—payback for Merrick Garland. . . .

    What is clear is that the Senate must vote, up or down, on Kavanaugh’s nomination. One way or another, the roll must be called. Yeas and Nays must be recorded.

    For two reasons. The first is political. If Republicans walk away from Kavanaugh now, especially after Lindsey Graham’s philippic, the conservative grassroots will revolt and the midterm election will be an unmitigated disaster. According to polls, the GOP has already lost the middle. It cannot afford to lose the right. The base is the difference between no wave and a blue wave, between a blue wave and a tsunami. Let each senator say what he or she believes, and record that judgment by vote. Even if the nomination fails because no Democrat votes yes and two Republicans vote no, that is a better outcome for the GOP than no vote at all. Conservatives expect to be disappointed by individual Republicans. No vote? Conservatives walk away.

    The other reason to call the roll is more abstract. This story is about more than an allegation of sexual assault. It has become a matter of political precedent. The public deserves to know the Senate’s position on the following question: Are uncorroborated allegations, sometimes made anonymously, from high school and college enough to disqualify men and women from appointed office? Are we prepared to establish a standard by which appointees are judged by comments in a high school yearbook, statements from classmates 30 or 35 years ago, and attendance at student parties where alcohol was consumed?

    If we are to go down this road, then we should know where each of the 100 men and women elected to the United States Senate, including Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Jeff Flake, stand at the outset. How else will we be able to apportion blame when the three Furies arrive? Because they are on their way.”

    https://freebeacon.com/columns/call-roll-kavanaugh/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  355. 351… you’re out of line with that, happyfeet.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  356. “There are 105 Senators? Whatever. Always believe lists put together by Angela Davis.”

    #mathishard

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  357. i can’t tell which numbers go where Mr. Haiku

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  358. ok i went back and counted my filtrations

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  359. Tanner Flake made headlines in 2015, when he posted a series of offensive tweets and Facebook comments. His father publicly apologized on behalf of Tanner, after Facebook comments surfaced in which Tanner used the n-word. Tanner also made anti-Semitic remarks on twitter. And in another incident, he said that he would beat up the “f****t” who had stolen his dirt bike.

    hateful stuff

    very hurtful

    and unlike what his daddy’s doing to the Kavanaugh family

    there’s tons of actual evidence of what Jeff’s racist son did

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  360. btw Tanner’s not the one that let 23 dogs die horrible ghastly deaths

    that was another one of Jeffy Flake’s reprobate children

    father of the effing year huh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  361. oops only *22* dogs died in Austin Flake’s care

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  362. That is the diabolicalness* of the Kavanaugh rape hoaxes. It’s easy to believe anything about teenage boys.

    *Yes, it is a word.

    nk (dbc370)

  363. If you substitute “bro” for mediocre in his famous quote defending nominee Carswell, I think a Roman Hruska-like defense of Judge Kavanaugh is in order.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  364. yes yes and per Jeff Flake teen malfeasance is a key determinant of how one’s character should be evaluated, even 40 years later

    this is why it’s important to dissuade children and teens in your care from promulgating vicious racism (it goes on their permanent record)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  365. but how would you feel Mr. Haiku

    if you were a young person with a troubling record of teen racism

    and your own daddy was fighting to establish the precedent that your deplorable teenage infractions should disgualify you for professional opportunities for at least the next 3-4 decades!

    me i’d be like dad you suck why are you trying to ruin my life

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  366. As vulgar, ridiculously false charges should be held against the miscreant repeatedly making them.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  367. No Soto is the hruska here, there was nothing particularly exceptional here, that’s why she was chosen.

    Narciso (cd936d)

  368. oh dear

    Kathleen Kennedy’s Lucasfilm Deal Extended for Three Years (Exclusive)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  369. I think urbanleftbehind meant that Dirty Rotten Teenagers deserve to be represented on the Court too, and not only the Goody Two-Shoes.

    nk (dbc370)

  370. He’s Emilio estevez judge is Rob Lowe, but there is no andy McDowell or even ally sheesh in this picture.

    Narciso (cd936d)

  371. So agree about the media complicity in all this. There is no interest in the true stories of the two activists who pretended to be victims to accost Jeff Flake. What’s their background? Where is the evidence of their attacks? What is their background? What do their old friends say about them?

    *crickets*

    But Inside Edition came forward last night with an interview with an alcoholic woman who went to Yale with Kav and swears he was a big drunk.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  372. that lady what gave such a great performance as Ellen in battlestar, she was in pretty in pink

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  373. the cowardly anti-american google ceo is refusing to appear before congress until after the election

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  374. Thank you nk, you got it.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  375. The Rican chick from Yale (Acc. #2) could be covered by one of the brunette brat pa k era chicks. Shes more of the old Ron/Rum family vibe than of Jenny (J.Lo) from the block.

    urbanleftbehind (61ee40)

  376. I hope the republicans lose every race in the upcoming election. Ryan, McConnell, GrAssley, Flake and the rest of these turds can go to hell.

    mg (9e54f8)

  377. Hirono/Harris/2020

    mg (9e54f8)

  378. #133 Patterico

    When our daughter was 14 she was on the beach with a friend also 14. The beach was down a long set of stairs from the mesa above and is accessible during lower tides and parts get cut off by waves so you have to time the swells and sprint around the rocky points, so it can get a little isolated.
    Both girls played volleyball, both good looking and athletic.
    So some creep shows up and wants a picture of them in their bikinis and they say no. He takes photos anyway and then grabs the friend and pulls down her bottoms. Our daughter grabbed some driftwood and started trying to hit him and then they both started throwing rocks, chasing him up a ravine choked with poison oak. The cops showed up and sent in a dog. I was so proud of our girl. We’d taught her to never let anyone abuse her or her friends and since she has her mothers ferocity, it came naturally.

    Great story. But as you already know not everyone has that fury to tap into, other people have different memories… meaning their memory has spots where it all went black, where others have it clear as a bell. For some, dreams and nightmares interfere and paint memory; like having one dream where its a dark closet, another in a green painted room, faces change etc. Some people remember smells like a foul breath or a rotting crotch, but couldn’t tell much about appearance.
    The mistake humans make so frequently is to think that everyone is going to act like they did, or like that person over there did.

    I still think Ford is taking a past experience and layering Kavanaugh into it.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  379. D a native Hawaiian who hides his conservatism says, Damn I’m glad I’m not a white male!

    mg (9e54f8)

  380. Flake has executed the Republican Party.
    Cheers.

    mg (9e54f8)

  381. All white males will be guilty as charged, always.

    mg (9e54f8)

  382. Some legal team the rinos put together, huh? GrAssley is such a disgrace allowing this crap to happen. He had no control from day 1. He is a democrat rump swab.

    mg (9e54f8)

  383. Middle finger to every republican in government you people stink on ice.
    Trump is no republican. Thank you Jesus.

    mg (9e54f8)

  384. The worst of it is my daughters will be held accountable for this. Who would hire a women when this crap is allowed? The only good news is My oldest daughters was put in charge of security at the school she teaches at. She is a darn good shot. So I feel better about her school.

    mg (9e54f8)

  385. Daughter

    mg (9e54f8)

  386. I still think Ford is taking a past experience and layering Kavanaugh into it.

    I think that with about thirty years of Psychology under her belt, Ford is taking the past experiences of any number of sexual assault victims and layering herself and Kavanaugh into them.
    TL;DR The psycho is lying but she knows how to lie convincingly.

    nk (dbc370)

  387. 386… https://youtu.be/jtCKtHoGHRU

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  388. Locked and loaded, Col.

    mg (9e54f8)

  389. Trump caved. Should have told them to take a hike. And he should shut the gubmint down, douse with napalm and call it a day.

    mg (e60689)

  390. Nk,

    agreed.

    I do find it amazing that people are questioning Kavanaugh’s performance saying it was disengenuous, but have no doubts as to a psychologist who switched between mousy little girl who didn’t know the answer to basic questions and assertive at the drop of a hat depending on the question and who was directing it.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  391. I think that Ford didn’t want things to turn out this way. I honestly think she was hoping that she’d contact Feinstein, her accusation would cause Kavanaugh’s nom to be withdrawn, and THEN her identity would be revealed and she would become the 21st century’s Anita Hill with all the spoils that go with it.

    I’ll bet Feinstein and Ford’s lawyer strung her along with assurances that her identity would never be revealed (knowing full well an anonymous accusation would never tank Kavanaugh) then proceeded to leak her name to give the allegation legs. All the delays for a hearing were a political move by the Dems, sure, but I also think it was because Ford actually didn’t want to go through with this.

    Remember how during that first week, Feinstein made that bizarre admission that she thought that some of Ford’s story may not have been true? This undercutting of Ford’s credibility seemed so strange unless it was an attempt to distance herself from someone that was refusing to play along. Knowing Feinstein, it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that she threatened to abandon Ford and publicly call her a liar to force her to testify in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. So Ford downed a bunch of something, went out and whimpered and giggled her way through her testimony with ludicrous explanations about ‘indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter’ and stuff about renovation disputes leading to rape accusations.

    Even now, team Ford’s delay in allowing her to talk to the FBI may partially be because Ford is terrified to risk herself a second time.

    Don’t get it twisted or anything, she’s still a dirty liar, but it pays to distinguish between the everyday opportunists and the grand masters of exploiting females.

    Pencil-necked Pundit (b97d8a)

  392. And team rino swallowed the democrats garbage.

    mg (9e54f8)

  393. 390: The worst of it is my daughters will be held accountable for this. Who would hire a women when this crap is allowed.

    It’s embarrassing and demeaning to me as a woman to hear that we should “always believe the woman” – as though women lacked the moral agency to choose to lie; as though women could only be victims (or potential victims) in any dealings with men; as though women could not have any real concerns about injustice to the men in their lives. And to top it off: as though women didn’t notice how very different the standard was when it concerned Bill Clinton.

    Radegunda (b0ffbf)

  394. In harsher language, I think Ford is lying. She better hope the FBI only has a week

    steveg (a9dcab)

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