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9/24/2018

A Second Woman Accuses Brett Kavanaugh

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:29 am



[guest post by Dana]

Another woman has made an accusation against Brett Kavanaugh. Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer’s piece in the New Yorker came out last night, and it fairly ensures that this will be an even uglier week than last week.

The woman at the center of the story, Deborah Ramirez, who is fifty-three, attended Yale with Kavanaugh, where she studied sociology and psychology. Later, she spent years working for an organization that supports victims of domestic violence. The New Yorker contacted Ramirez after learning of her possible involvement in an incident involving Kavanaugh. The allegation was conveyed to Democratic senators by a civil-rights lawyer. For Ramirez, the sudden attention has been unwelcome, and prompted difficult choices. She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away. Ramirez is now calling for the F.B.I. to investigate Kavanaugh’s role in the incident. “I would think an F.B.I. investigation would be warranted,” she said.

…“We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby.

A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.”

Regarding Kavanaugh:

She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’

NOTE: The New Yorker admits in the article that they do not know if Kavanaugh was even at the party to begin with:

The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party.

And yet here we are..

Ramirez admits that there are “significant gaps” in her memory regarding the event, which would seem to make sense, given that we’re talking 35 years ago and she was admittedly inebriated. So much so that she was slurring her words. Curiously, though, after 35 years and just a few days of therapy with a miracle-working attorney, it appears her memory seems to have cleared up enough to make the accusation. Right before a critical vote is due to happen.

Here’s the thing: I don’t know if the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford or Deborah Ramirez are true or not. They don’t seem at all out of the realm of possibility to me as there is a familiarity to them. That the women didn’t speak about them or confront them for decades isn’t that unusual for women of a certain age. You didn’t say anything, you just locked that horrible moment away in the vault, and moved on with life. That’s just how it was. And this is the painful aftermath for many who lacked maturity to make sound judgments during high school and/or college. The recklessness that comes with such immaturity does not recognize gender. It is an equal-opportunity ravager of the individual. But certainly there is a gender-unique harm done when one looks at the outcomes of heavy alcohol-fueled behaviors. This is how these things have always gone. So while I don’t know if the claims are true, I certainly understand the long silence and the fear of going public with one’s story. However, the timing of the allegations and the stories themselves become suspect when one considers the midterm elections and what is at stake, whose vacancy on the Court is being filled, the rank theatrics we witnessed during the hearings, the brazen lies told and repeated by Democrats and the brazen lies spouted by a “Chief Washington correspondent” who knows better, etc.

Along with that, both Blasey Ford’s and Ramirez’s accounts share a familiar lack of eye-witnesses, corroboration of their allegations, denials by individuals that the events in question took place, as well as some individuals under oath saying that they have no knowledge or memory about the alleged incidents. Even the women’s best friends claimed that they had never heard about these alleged events. There are just so many holes of doubt and disbelief with their stories in which to fall:

The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

Here is Brett Kavanaugh’s response to the second accusation:

“This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so,” Kavanaugh responded. “This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth, and defending my good name–and the reputation for character and integrity I have spent a lifetime building–against these last-minute allegations.”

As it stands, Blasey Ford is scheduled to testify at 10:00 a.m. this Thursday in a small hearing room that can accommodate only six reporters.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

163 Responses to “A Second Woman Accuses Brett Kavanaugh”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (023079)

  2. what did the Roy Moore nevertrumps think was gonna happen after they did their pedo hoax all up in it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Oh just stop it, happyfeet.

    Dana (023079)

  4. “After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away.”

    See any problem?

    AZ Bob (885937)

  5. Hello Dana.

    Let me make a few observations here:

    1) My favorite part is how the “civil rights lawyer” (on another site I heard that he is a former Democrat office holder somewhere) spent six days with Ms. Ramirez helping her “assess her memories” suddenly caused her to remember Kavanaugh’s involvement.

    2) I hate it when lazy reporters who likely know nothing about religion describe someone as a “devout” Catholic, as if the devotion to one’s faith is known to anyone other than the Almighty himself.

    3) Mark Steyn made an interesting point: the same people who are telling us that teenage girls should learn to get over it should they happen to see the exposed penis of a transitioning male in the gym locker room are the same ones who think that Ms. Ramirez was permanently scarred from being in the proximity an exposed penis her freshman year at Yale.

    And people have contrasted the tone taken by Farrow and Mayer in this latest allegation (about which they are extremely cautious) with how they reported the Harvey Weinstein allegations. Clearly, the left is hoping that in general people see Farrow’s name attached and figure that it has to be a legit complaint that is strongly sourced, so that’s why they needed this latest one to come from him and not from HuffPo or Slate or some other lefty outlet.

    JVW (42615e)

  6. same tactics

    same sleazy fake news media outlets

    same sketchy use of sketchy lawyers (with same sketchy financing)

    same Jeff Flake licking it all up same same

    and it’s not my fault

    i tried to warn everybody

    i tried so hard

    but nobody listened

    :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. It’s all pure BS. Vote Thursday & proceed to confirmation.

    Daiwa (9f9e10)

  8. AZ Bob made the same point as I did. This is veering awfully close to the repressed memories bullstuff which I thought had lost credibility after the McMartin Preschool fiasco.

    JVW (42615e)

  9. This is so disgusting, so transparently political. The New Yorker piece’s disclaimers itself, combined with the NYT’s futile efforts to find anyone at all to corroborate this story, speak clearly to a hit job on an upstanding man.

    These people will stop at nothing. Innocent person’s lifetime reputation be damned. We’ve GOT to get our way — those unborn children aren’t going to kill themselves, you know…!

    no one of consequence (325a59)

  10. Good luck on #3, Dana.

    What bothers me here are the protestors. I would bet money they know NOTHING about Judge Kavanaugh. Just what some headlines read. It’s bumper sticker thinking, heckler’s veto, whatever you wish to call it.

    Normally, I would remind the protestors that the world they are creating is one where anyone can accuse a person of a crime and destroy a career. Except the press seems a-ok with doing this only in some—not all—cases.

    This is so clearly a case of “ends justify the means” partisanship.

    I liked Kavanaugh’s letter, and I hope his testimony goes well.

    Simon Jester (4357eb)

  11. #8 We’ve all repressed the memories of the repressed memories fiasco.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  12. So great to see you, no one of consequence!

    Dana (023079)

  13. Another accusation, fuzzy on the time, where the other people involved all say it didn’t happen. I guess if one baseless accusation doesn’t work, try two…or more.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  14. Apparently all you need is a good lawyer to retrieve those “repressed” memories.

    Dana (023079)

  15. So they sHonda rimed the thing, now rowan pope would dispatch someone just to send a message.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. So… do you go along with the charade or make a stand, fully cognizant of the implications for the future?

    Bear in mind, the Democrats have been trying to destroy the judicial nomination/confirmation process for over 30 years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. But they had corroboration in the Einstein matter, when he drifts of if his wheelhouse like the story about black cube hes lost

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. Normally, I would remind the protestors that the world they are creating is one where anyone can accuse a person of a crime and destroy a career. Except the press seems a-ok with doing this only in some—not all—cases.

    The press seems a-ok with this? Of course they’re a-ok with it, just as are the protesters for the very reason that they will not be accountable for the future. They make and change the rules any time they want. There’s no reason here. There’s no law. There’s no consistency. There’s just a never ending, always enduring, emotionally charged moment that is lived in. This has been apparent for 20 or more years now. So long as you control the power, you control it in the moment, and you control the moment.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  19. What bothers me here are the protestors. I would bet money they know NOTHING about Judge Kavanaugh. Just what some headlines read. It’s bumper sticker thinking, heckler’s veto, whatever you wish to call it.

    Sadly, it’s working. Fox News had a article on their website yesterday saying that a majority of Americans now don’t think Kavanaugh should be confirmed. It’s not partisan Democrats or Republicans that have moved the needle, it’s independents who apparently take these allegations as gospel in the era of #MeToo and now don’t think he is worthy of the seat. So regardless of whether he is confirmed, Democrats have already won in tarnishing his reputation and convincing the public that he’s a bad guy.

    JVW (42615e)

  20. Skorcher,

    I don’t think they understand that if the new rules apply to Kavanagh, they will also apply to liberal men and liberal politicians who vote and legislate in favor of women’s “health care” – meaning abortion.

    Dana (023079)

  21. JVW,

    The left is so proficient at this, and at every level:

    Dem Sen. Mazie Hirono: Kavanaugh’s probably guilty of attempted rape because he’s a judicial conservative

    Dana (023079)

  22. Yeah how accurate were fox polls leading up the election,,

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. He said. They said.

    In other news…

    ‘Judge To Decide If Bill Cosby Goes To Prison For ’04 Sex Assault’

    ‘A sentencing hearing will begin for the 81-year old comedian who preyed on at least one young woman and perhaps many more.’- source, AP

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. I don’t think they understand that if the new rules apply to Kavanagh, they will also apply to liberal men and liberal politicians who vote and legislate in favor of women’s “health care” – meaning abortion.

    I don’t think you understand, the rules apply as they see fit. Just because they apply to Kavanagh, why do you think they would apply to liberal politicians? That was the whole point of my comment. They have the mob, the media, and most of the influential culture on their side, telling the story how they want it told. They can change it on a whim. There are no rules. There is no consistency. You’re playing checkers and they’re playing Calvinball.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  25. Narciso has caught on to the “locker room bulletin board” aspect of polling, i.e. scaring the partisans into showing up.

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  26. Exactly they already have photographic and 9/11 transcripts of ellison, they don’t need to look into anything

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/24/kavanaugh-fights-back-smears-and-vile-threats-will-not-drive-me-out/#.W6ky7kJ_Ovc.twitter

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. I should have said “theoretically,” Skorcher. I remain optimistic that this current political tsunami that is upending so much, will come to an end.

    Dana (023079)

  28. Its about what gets covered with a pillow:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ahrferrier/status/1044296919344967687?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. #20 —

    I keep waiting for those new rules to apply to Keith Ellison.

    While I’m waiting, I am haunted by the idea that I was once a billionaire. Maybe I have a repressed memory that Trump stole it from me. Can I get lawyer to help me with that? Avanetti seems kind of busy, but I am sure there is a Democratic activist who needs something to do, that can do it on spec…

    Appalled (96665e)

  30. @10. You only know what has been packaged and marketed.

    OTOH, a ‘Bart O’Kavanaugh’ sounds like a lot more fun to party and pal around with than a ‘Dudley Do-Right.’

    Let’s ask Mark Judge.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. I should have said “theoretically,” Skorcher. I remain optimistic that this current political tsunami that is upending so much, will come to an end.

    OK, theoretically how do you expect it to come to an end when no one from the GOP side, or even the once moderate Dem side, has been willing to fight it for the last 30 years? When/where/how do you possibly see that changing? I would like to be optimistic. I mostly am in nearly every other aspect of life. I simply do not see a single person of any significant influence willing to fight this with the tenacity with which it must be fought.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  32. #30

    The one more likely than not thing that has come up out of all this Kavanaugh is that, as a youngster, he was drinking heavily, and proud enough of it to let indications of it slip into the yearbook. My high school yearbook celebrated the “Moosehead Club”, which, inexplicably, was a beer of choice at my high school. I made sure I was nowhere near that group photo.

    I wonder if Kavanaugh was black, and did a little blow, like a Democratic figure with a well-known memoir did, you’d give any weight to accusations about high school days that have been confirmed by nobody.

    Appalled (96665e)

  33. > I don’t know if the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford or Deborah Ramirez are true or not. They don’t seem at all out of the realm of possibility to me as there is a familiarity to them. That the women didn’t speak about them or confront them for decades isn’t that unusual for women of a certain age. You didn’t say anything, you just locked that horrible moment away in the vault, and moved on with life. That’s just how it was.

    One of the things that has been infuriating me for the last week is the number of people, the President included, who don’t seem to understand this.

    Surely it’s possible to defend Kavanaugh without making ridiculous claims about how if a woman didn’t come forward when it happened, it must not be true.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  34. Here’s my guess: Dems are sitting quietly by Ellison until they see how the Kavanaugh nomination plays out. If Republicans hold together and confirm him, Dems will continue to keep quiet and work to elect Ellison. If, however, they can derail Kavanaugh’s nomination, I think they would be happy to let Ellison lose. At the very least, should he still manage to win, expect him to quietly step down as Deputy Chair of the DNC to focus on his job as MN Attorney General.

    JVW (42615e)

  35. Well do declare, the ever-emoting Lindsey Graham is surely coming down with a case of the vapors saying denying some one a SCOTUS seat ‘ruins their life.’ Harriet Myers is 73 and doing just fine; so is Doug Ginsberg, now 72, still tanned, rested and ready and no worse for wear after doing some doobies in law school and Robert Bork lived a full and productive life until his death at age 85. Dinner theatre, Lindsey… you missed your calling.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. #35

    So, would you be happy leaving a potential rapist on the DC Circuit? Kind of an important job for a man of such low character, don’t you think?

    Appalled (96665e)

  37. Surely it’s possible to defend Kavanaugh without making ridiculous claims about how if a woman didn’t come forward when it happened, it must not be true.

    Surely it’s possible to examine the quality and substance of a SCOTUS nominee without resorting to baseless, ridiculous claims about something that there is absolutely nothing, zero, zilch, nada proof of ever having happened, even to the degree that called out witnesses deny knowing anything about. But it seems like we don’t live in that universe, do we? If it weren’t for the latter we wouldn’t be discussing the former.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  38. They can walk and chew gum at the same time right, or are they folloeimg the like turner/ Chris brown gambit.

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. Kavanaugh and wife taped interview this afternoon to air on Fox tonight.

    Not under oath, of course.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Surely it’s possible to defend Kavanaugh without making ridiculous claims about how if a woman didn’t come forward when it happened, it must not be true.

    That’s a fair assessment, though you can understand why we are so skeptical when the allegations don’t surface for 30 years (and then rather sketchily to a therapist) and only when the person named is in the national news.

    JVW (42615e)

  41. @36. This is a job interview, not a criminal proceeding; there is a difference between an airline pilot and an astronaut.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. It’s crazy to think this went unreported for decades

    EPWJ (c05b9e)

  43. only when the person named is in the national news

    in usual circumstances women know better than to make a ridiculousness of themselves

    it’s just common sense

    this is why it’s so likely that this poochie’s getting paid to lie

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. there’s a difference between an airline pilot and an astronaut

    astronauts are the ones with the special diapers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

    I’m not sure what else a fair-minded person would need to hear to conclude that this is a meritless claim.

    Have the Thursday hearing and call the vote.

    Patterico (8f0cf2)

  46. @32. Meh. Yeah, we had a frat bro who was really into Moosehead in bottles; refused to drink the Iron City beer we had on tap, 24/7. But then he only ended up in the Air Force w/his hands on expensive government equipment- and the rest of us didn’t get any place close to the SCOTUS, drunk or sober.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. I shall never, ever, ever, forget the first news conference after the McMartins were charged. CNN was the only game in town and all I heard was how “Chillllllllldren never lie” about abuse. Expert after expert parroted this insanity. I knew there was no way the charges were all true. I did allow for the chance a few were. But, I was instantly convinced they chillllllldren had been coached.

    Fast forward to Ford and Ramirez. Yup.

    I also happen to have a sister who declared repressed memories of abuse from decades before. A therapist “coached” her. Same deal. Never happened.

    Unless and until compelling evidence is produced, JK simply must be given the benefit of presumed innocence. The reasons these lies were introduced is not for most everyone, including myself, to concern ourselves with. It is immaterial. If the ladies cash out large, so be it.

    Hugh Hewitt has it right – upon the vote of Judiciary, the nomination must move to the floor immediately and the Senate must be held in session 24/7 until the earliest possible vote can be taken. The Senate should then not adjourn until after the election by way of punishment for the Dhimmicrats.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  48. #41 — If you take into account alleged high school shenanigans into a job interview 30 years later, and base your decision on whether to offer the job or not on that, you would be leaving yourself wide open to litigation. So, really, that’s a very bad example.

    Appalled (96665e)

  49. “ I don’t know if the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford or Deborah Ramirez are true or not. They don’t seem at all out of the realm of possibility to me as there is a familiarity to them. That the women didn’t speak about them or confront them for decades isn’t that unusual for women of a certain age. You didn’t say anything, you just locked that horrible moment away in the vault, and moved on with life. That’s just how it was.“

    It all depends on the crowd you run with… always has. But normally women confide in their close friends, especially something as traumatic as these women contend their experiences were.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. > though you can understand why we are so skeptical when the allegations don’t surface for 30 years (and then rather sketchily to a therapist)

    yes and no.

    i mean, i agree that statutes of limitations exist for a reason, and that part of the reason is that evidence atrophies as decades pass.

    but: it’s *incredibly common* for people who are raped or abused to not talk about it, or report it, for decades.

    i’m a forty four year old man. i was abused as a child. i never talked about it, never even really admitted it to myself, until seeing a therapist while my marriage was collapsing around me.

    i don’t think it would be fair to pursue legal action against the people who abused me, now.

    but neither do i think it’s reasonable for people to assume that i’m lying just because i didn’t talk about it for thirty years.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  51. @47. You wouldn’t ‘base your decision’ solely on that; of course not, didn’t say that.

    OTOH, if I was on that committee and Kavanaugh copped to being human and not a packaged box of Ivory Soap flakes and just said something akin to, ‘yeah, I worked hard and partied hard in my high school and college days and did a lot of what today I’d call foolish if not just dumbass things. No doubt a lot of you did too in your younger days, before you grew up and sought public office. It’s a shame youth is wasted on the young…” I’d vote for him in a second.

    Then go out and buy him a beer– even a Moosehead, if available. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. kavenaugh “what happens at georgetown stays at georgetown.” maybe not 4th accuser talking to law enforcement as maryland as no statue of limitation on sex crimes. don’t republicans have any candidates who don’t sexually assault young girls. minnesota candidate quits for sexually assaulting his young daughter.

    lany (c571e0)

  53. People report late for all kinds of reasons, including legit reasons.

    Patterico (8f0cf2)

  54. 44 – really says it all and yet the breathtaking reports I’m hearing about this new accusation all fail to mention it or the six days of having an attorney help conjure up memories.

    harkin (a4b010)

  55. But if you are telling people you are not sure you have the right guy? Come on.

    Patterico (8f0cf2)

  56. Patterico – sure. I’m trying to draw a distinction here between the *specific* criticism that these reports must be lies because they didn’t come out until recently, and other criticisms of the reports. That one specific criticism is just *wrong*, and it is causing me to lose respect for everyone who says it.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  57. Agree, aphrael.

    Patterico (8f0cf2)

  58. Four Reasons the New Accusations Against Kavanaugh Are Weaker Than Ford’s

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/four-reasons-the-new-accusations-against-kavanaugh-are-weaker-than-fords/

    harkin (a4b010)

  59. “One of the things that has been infuriating me for the last week is the number of people, the President included, who don’t seem to understand this.”

    We understand it very well-it’s a going concern and a profitable business for unscrupulous lawyers, lobbyists, managers, and PR agents.

    “Surely it’s possible to defend Kavanaugh without making ridiculous claims about how if a woman didn’t come forward when it happened, it must not be true.”

    If she didn’t come forward to anyone, including her friends, when it happened, it wasn’t true enough in her mind at the time. Whether it became true afterward after she started hanging with the truly disgusting and vile feminist college professor Stasi crowd is immaterial and is excluded from normal legal proceedings for darn good reasons.

    Taking unverifiable accusations at gatherings of young people and working them into Permanent Black Marks On Your Permanent Record To Be Shoved In You and Your Family’s Face At A Time Of Our Choosing, Bigot has and will have terrible, terrible effects on normal maturity and socialization among young people in the present and the future.

    Those who lie to bring them forward must have, at minimum, the same pitiless and permanent consequences inflicted on themselves.

    BUT THIS IS A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, THE NORMAL RULES DON’T APPLY keep talking like that and it’ll end up being a People’s Popular Committee For Public Safety hearing next, and the Brett Kavanaughs of the world will be wielding M-16s instead of clipboards.

    Rogue DMV Agent (1f9469)

  60. “kavenaugh “what happens at georgetown stays at georgetown.” maybe not 4th accuser talking to law enforcement as maryland as no statue of limitation on sex crimes. don’t republicans have any candidates who don’t sexually assault young girls. minnesota candidate quits for sexually assaulting his young daughter.”

    Yet another likely fake accusation.

    The college environment makes its money off the useless degree industry, which produces aggrieved and dependent students at vulnerable stages of life that are easy marks for leftist activists, who absolutely will be strongly encouraged to accuse their white, male, Republican, and otherwise Not Of The Approved Minority Group parents of vile crimes for their career advancement(remember this fact every day, Pat!)

    Rogue DMV Agent (8bda1d)

  61. Reality check- Ramirez claim

    This occurred in a college dorm with 6-10-15 people present. Some one ran down the hall yelling that BK stuck his penis in her face. Does this sound like it was a secret?
    Does anyone believe that word would not have spread like wildfire?

    I lived in a college dorm for 2 years in the mid 70’s. There is absolutely 100% probability that word of such an event would have made it to at least one RA and the head RA within a couple of days.

    No discipline, No RA reports – Get real.

    Joe _dallas (debac0)

  62. > If she didn’t come forward to anyone, including her friends, when it happened, it wasn’t true enough in her mind at the time.

    that’s … simply not true.

    sometimes you have experiences which are so harmful that you can’t talk about them with anyone, because talking about them with someone makes them real. sometimes you have experiences which are so harmful that you lose your ability to trust that sharing them with someone else won’t result in you simply being harmed again.

    not everyone reacts to trauma this way. but a lot of people do.

    *i* did.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  63. “OTOH, if I was on that committee and Kavanaugh copped to being human and not a packaged box of Ivory Soap flakes and just said something akin to, ‘yeah, I worked hard and partied hard in my high school and college days and did a lot of what today I’d call foolish if not just dumbass things. No doubt a lot of you did too in your younger days, before you grew up and sought public office. It’s a shame youth is wasted on the young…” I’d vote for him in a second.”

    Spare us the sanctimony, DCSCA.

    This is not a position that’s actively being taken by any of Kavanaugh’s public accusers, this is a fallback position that insincere leftists run away to once their “well *I* saw ALL sorts of situations EXACTLY like this when *I* was in school, all sorts of bullies out there doncha know” crashes and burns in the lack of supporting evidence.

    You will not be forgiven until you repent. And ‘can you just cop a plea to a lesser charge pleeez’ is NOT repentance!

    Rogue DMV Agent (ff7295)

  64. Is it to late to still intern maize hirano?

    lany (c571e0)

  65. #55 I haven’t really heard these reports must be lies because they didn’t come out until recently. It’s usually just one of the reasons to be skeptical. And it’s a valid reason to be skeptical.

    The real problem with the timing is that this could have come out during the normal hearing. And that’s a very good reason to be skeptical.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  66. I’m not sure what else a fair-minded person would need to hear to conclude that this is a meritless claim.

    Fair-minded people are in depressingly short supply these days.

    Dave (445e97)

  67. Frosty48, the President of the United States said:

    >”Judge Brett Kavanaugh is a fine man, with an impeccable reputation, who is under assault by radical left wing politicians who don’t want to know the answers … I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!”

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  68. “sometimes you have experiences which are so harmful that you can’t talk about them with anyone, because talking about them with someone makes them real. sometimes you have experiences which are so harmful that you lose your ability to trust that sharing them with someone else won’t result in you simply being harmed again.

    not everyone reacts to trauma this way. but a lot of people do.

    *i* did.”

    Yes, some experiences are so harmful that sharing them with ANYONE is unpossible…no possibility to discuss things anonymously, no established institutions, religious or otherwise for victims, no traditions of helping the weak, no relatives, no third parties, no strangers, no motivation to make outside friends, no one.

    But if the only reveal of that information comes only when your supposed accuser has presumably raped his way to the Supreme Court and only after you’ve secured assurances of financial and reputational remuneration, are you *really* the example we should be looking to when we discuss these issues in the future?

    Rogue DMV Agent (e4ef25)

  69. Frosty48, that quote was from a news report which conflated two tweets into one, for which I apologize.

    But here’s one of the tweets, which contains the relevant assertion that if it were true, she would have come out when it happened:

    > https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1043126336473055235?lang=en

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  70. Don’t traumatized children act different? Wouldn’t her parents have noticed something, even if they did not know why she was different?

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. > Wouldn’t her parents have noticed something, even if they did not know why she was different?

    depends on how attentive her parents were. unfortunately, a lot of parents *aren’t* that attentive to emotional development.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  72. Ex-Foxer Shine’s running the media ops at the WH and knows the drill on damage control; Kavanaugh and the wife doing a one-on-one interview on Fox- and only on Fox- suggests they think he’s got a problem w/this in the marketplace. Shades of Bill and Hill back in the day doing 60 Minutes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. “Yeah, we had a frat bro who was really into Moosehead in bottles; refused to drink the Iron City beer we had on tap, 24/7. But then he only ended up in the Air Force w/his hands on expensive government equipment- and the rest of us didn’t get any place close to the SCOTUS, drunk or sober.”

    You can trust drunks to be productive and loyal, potheads not so much.

    Rogue DMV Agent (204754)

  74. aphrael – Each accusation is situational. The earliest accusations may be a fraud and those delayed for decades the Gospel truth.

    The overwhelming factor of a SCOTUS nomination and how it is to be adjudicated by the Senate is the prize, to put it in civil rights terms. This is NOT the time nor place, I strongly posit, that we must NOT look for reasons to encourage such foggy “memories” to come forward in a public manner.

    Thus far, not one named witness has supported Ford’s account. Her stated objection to appearing in the Capitol have been spurious.

    On the other hand, we have a man of sterling reputation and a noted advocate for women all of his adult life.

    It would be insanity to give Ford the benefit of doubt at this point. The burden of proof is plainly upon her. The lateness of her accusation also demands this placement of burden. If she has the goods, so be it.

    Even then, I would argue the actions of a high school person should not stain as a Scarlet Letter. Now, the outright denial and the protestation of complete innocence in the event of a proven accusation? See ya, Brent.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  75. UGH. Poor grammar! Now is NOT the time for an academic exercise in abuse. Apologies.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  76. “Ex-Foxer Shine’s running the media ops at the WH and knows the drill on damage control; Kavanaugh and the wife doing a one-on-one interview on Fox- and only on Fox- suggests they think he’s got a problem w/this in the marketplace. Shades of Bill and Hill back in the day doing 60 Minutes.”

    Smart leftists don’t go on Tucker, smart conservatives don’t go on anyone other than Fox. ‘Marketplace’ (lol) has nothing to do with it, those hosts will 100% engage in opportunistic ambush journalism, political tangents, and legal baiting. If Ronan Farrow can be compromised, none of the liberal media can be trusted.

    Rogue DMV Agent (197bc6)

  77. Worthwhile to remind everyone that the DNC probably isn’t the one who signed off on this circus, after they were completely and literally owned by the Hillary campaign, most Democrat donors decided to put their money in these sorts of Soros-style behind-the-scenes ‘nonpartisan’ influence operations, adding the shell people to the shell companies. More donor control, less quality control!

    Soon we’ll probably be able to tell the difference between a Steyer, a Bloomberg, and a Brock op, for now they’re all singing the same tune because the prospect of a permanent 5-4 majority to undo their business models is a RED ALERT that requires pulling out all the stops.

    Rogue DMV Agent (69150e)

  78. #69 Fair enough. I was careless with an over general claim and walked into that one.

    But for the sake of argument if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says isn’t the same as the attack didn’t happen or she’s lying.

    I read that as she’s exaggerating.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  79. Teen men don’t yell guys full names as in “Brett Kavanaugh just….” even if there are 7 Brett’s and Bret’s in the group. They use nicknames or last names. Men are lazy that way. Its far easier.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  80. The amount of stuff young people can hide from their parents is unbelievable. And the signs can be easily missed even by the best of parents.

    Dana (023079)

  81. Plus, DRJ, it depends how often the parents see the kids in relaxed, guards down moments.

    Dana (023079)

  82. @54 Patterico But if you are telling people you are not sure you have the right guy? Come on.

    No doubt such “self-questioning” makes it considerably easier to doubt that it “was” Kavanaugh who did the alleged act. And I suppose such is sufficient to support even “Come on. [!] (wholly and immediately dismissive) doubts” in a reasonably fair and open-minded person. But:

    (1) Certainly not all reasonably fair and open-minded people would go so far, and
    (2) That aspect of the “enhanced -slash- re-studied memory” likewise bears no necessary relationship or consequence to truth vel non of the event having taken place, or the alleged fact of Kavanaugh’s being one of those present there.

    There are obviously quite a few aspects of the Farrow/Mayer/Ramirez story which legitimately bring out the skeptic in folks. It is somewhat surprising (to me at least) that so many seem to indulge themselves in such skepticism such that all facets of the piece are (almost-?)automatically dismissed, or are not acknowledged to even exist (or perhaps, it’s a tl;dr scenario, for one inclined not to be critical of Kavanaugh). E.g., Elizabeth Rasor’s account (which is a strong (additional) argument for the common-sense (and frankly compelling) case that Mark Ford should be subpoena-ed); e.g., ER Doc Richard Oh; e.g., Professor Mark Krasberg.

    Q! (86710c)

  83. She is lying, not exaggerating.

    Full blown lie. All of it. Both of them and the third one they will invent tomorrow.

    All lies because no proof.

    All a test of weak men.

    NeverTrump is actually a bit taken back because they went after one of their own.

    So it looks like they will fight.

    Unlike Moore with the pedo lies since he was not in the Club.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  84. Jeff Flake loves watching the character assassination being done on Mr. Kavanaugh it gives him a naughty thrill

    he is a very sick man, Jeff Flake is

    rape lies and pedo lies, he licks them up like a kitty licks up tasty kitty juices

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. > Wouldn’t her parents have noticed something, even if they did not know why she was different?
    depends on how attentive her parents were. unfortunately, a lot of parents *aren’t* that attentive to emotional development.

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 9/24/2018

    Must be a perfect storm of atypical.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. #86 I love discussion about how many angels are on the head of a pin under the guise of “principles.”

    It is actually cover for being a very deceitful person.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  87. > Must be a perfect storm of atypical.

    in my childhood, parents paying attention to emotional development was the atypical thing.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  88. Anyone who goes into a hearing willing to be sworn to give information on something that happened she doesn’t know where and she doesn’t know when and she’s not sure who else is a fool. This is pure entrapment.

    The people she named did exactly what I would have done. Publicly state that they never saw or heard of Kavanaugh doing it, that they never saw him abuse any female, and that they believe based on their contact with Kavanaugh through the years that it was wholly against his character. Holy cr@p are the Dems really this delusional and desperate that they are willing to expose their disdain for due process and any form of fairness to destroy a man based on such nebulous and unverifiable charges?

    They really are admitting they have nothing by insisting Kavanaugh testifies first.

    Ben Shapiro laid it all out pretty well this past weekend.

    https://youtu.be/gGiGrNWrzV4

    harkin (a4b010)

  89. yes, they are feral like the t 4 zombies,

    https://libertyunyielding.com/2018/09/24/kavanaugh-bears-the-burden-of-proof/

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. Democrats have lost whatever mental stability remained… https://mobile.twitter.com/MiaFarrow/status/1043898061574074368

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Mia Farrow is a woman whose brother is in prison for abusing young boys, who believes her daughter to have been sexually molested by her ex-husband (but whose belief is far from universally shared), and who had another daughter *marry* her ex-husband.

    I don’t think she’s representative of Democrats in general on this issue, and I think that it’s understandable and reasonable for her to instinctively believe anyone who accuses someone of sexual abuse.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  92. So in July, key members of the Left laid out the strategy they would employ to stop Kavanaugh’s confirmation – to quote Chuckie Schumer, they would do “whatever it takes” – they’ve carried through with that fiendish promise. And yet some people will not acknowledge that, choosing to believe whatever horseschiff is dropped by those involved in the ongoing attempts to destroy the judicial nomination/confirmation process.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. Shaky people who do not possess any moral or ethical compass. They can go to Hell.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  94. There must be a special place in Hell reserved for Hirono and Gillibrand.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. Bob 87,

    Are you calling aphrael deceitful?

    DRJ (15874d)

  96. I could accuse anyone of being a child molester and you’d have no way of knowing it was “True or not”.

    Especially, if I declined to say where the assault took place and gave a gave a wide time range: like 4 months or 2 years.

    That’s normal people ignore claims of sexual assault that don’t include adequate details and facts.

    Unless its Republicans being accused. Then its “katie bar the door”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  97. I think that it’s understandable and reasonable for her to instinctively believe anyone who accuses someone of sexual abuse.

    It’s understandable. It’s not reasonable. What you’ve described is making a decision based on emotional and anecdotal experience.

    frosty48 (a586cd)

  98. aphrael, it may be understandable but isn’t she biased on the topic? People who have a family member unfairly accused matter, too, but neither group should decide who wins because both are biased.

    DRJ (15874d)

  99. The current accusation against Judge Kavanaugh is so shaky, the Left-wing NYT wouldn’t print it.

    35 years ago, a drunk college student, may or may not have waved his penis in front of a drunk girl at a dorm party.

    We don’t know, because the accuser doesn’t know. She just heard some guy say “brett” did it while she was too drunk to see.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  100. Ditto frosty 48.

    DRJ (15874d)

  101. Tick-tock, tick-tock… Collins now says Senate needs to hear from second accuser ‘under oath.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. Both the current accusation and Ford’s are DELIBERATELY vague and lacking any details.

    Otherwise, Kavanaugh could prove them wrong. But, if Ford can’t remember where or when the so-called assault occurred them, then Kavanaugh can’t say he wasn’t there. Because where was “there”? And when was “There”? We don’t know – because Ford won’t tell us.

    And how can Kavanaugh prove he didn’t wave his penis in front of drunk girls face in a dorm room, 35 years ago? She doesn’t even say it was his.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  103. Collins now says Senate needs to hear from second accuser ‘under oath.’

    You gotta be kidding me!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  104. DRJ – my operating assumption is that she’s biased on the topic, absolutely. All the more reason it’s inappropriate to hold her up as an example of how *Democrats* as a group have lost their minds. It’s an example, rather, of how she is understandably haunted by her experience.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  105. OK, I see now. Thank you.

    DRJ (15874d)

  106. 105… just one more in an extremely long line of “examples”, aphrael.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. Some might say they are “all out of the realm of possibility” because “they have a familiarity to them.”

    When you back down and back down, and back down again, you keep having ugly weeks.

    Kavanaugh would be attacked in this fashion if he was a certified Saint. And future conservative nominees will get the same treatment as long as it works.

    DN (e91bf6)

  108. Then how do you explain the conflicting approaches by Democrats,, e.g. strong support for Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Keith Ellison against their accusers, vs. the #METOO support for women who claim abuse by corporate executives and Republicans?

    DRJ (15874d)

  109. Yeah, the experience of being abused is haunting, Colonel Haiku. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could figure out how to reduce the number of people who suffer through such experiences?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  110. Roy Moore must be laughing his head off, after seeing Mitch talk about “smears” and “Thirty five years ago”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  111. Keep dreaming, DCSCA, the nightmare is only about to start:

    ““I believe that the committee investigators should reach out to Deborah Ramirez in order to question her under oath about what she is alleging happened,” she said to CNN.

    Collins rejected the idea however of having Ramirez testify during a hearing already scheduled this week. “No because there hasn’t even been an interview of her yet and I think that needs to take place first,” she said.”

    IOW: get her on the record before you reject her out of hand.

    Rogue DMV Agent (fd6264)

  112. What happened in the Roy Moore example shows the GOP understands how to reason and consider evidence, despite Party. His case makes it easier to argue that support for Kavanaugh is based on the evidence, not on partisanship.

    DRJ (15874d)

  113. “Yeah, the experience of being abused is haunting, Colonel Haiku. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could figure out how to reduce the number of people who suffer through such experiences?”

    That wording sounds rather callous and wrong-headed, most people would rather stick to ‘identify and eliminate abusers before they abuse again.’

    Abusers are usually monopolists who use their position as the only game in town to abuse their underlings for fun and profit. Break up monopolies, bring out more options, and you kill lots of abusive potential at the source.

    Rogue DMV Agent (3a659d)

  114. “Yeah, the experience of being abused is haunting, Colonel Haiku. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could figure out how to reduce the number of people who suffer through such experiences?“

    Apparently that takes precedence over the despicable spectacle of trashing someone’s reputation over uncorroborated allegations.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. @109 explanation easy democratic older woman clintonista lib/dykes to democrat party establishment destroy kavenaugh or else we join sanders lefty democrats in getting rid of you diane fienstein. black democrats (30% of democrat party) leave keith ellison alone or we join with lefty democrat base in getting rid of you establishment corporate democrat donor stooges. thats why alexandra ocasio-cortez is coming for establishment democrats not republicans.

    lany (458455)

  116. sen. jeff flake “trying to be a good republican is like trying to be a good nazi”! flake collins murkowski will decide it.

    lany (458455)

  117. We should be getting affidavits from everyone making accusations as step 0. I believe we’ve got statements under oath from almost everyone but the accusers.

    frosty48 (a586cd)

  118. Which is exactly what the Left is trying to do and hopes to accomplish. When you are right you’re right, and when you are wrong you’re wrong and the Democrats have made a sweeping left turn that is taking them in the opposite direction from what this country is supposed to be about.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. Rogue DMV Agent (1f9469) — 9/24/2018 @ 1:48 pm
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    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. 119 left is now the democratic base they are trying to get rid of establishment corporate democrats like diane fienstien who is fighting for her political life. california democrat party refused to endorse her re-election bid. fienstien cares about getting re-elected not wither ford is telling the truth. most of you here are uninformed about the democrat party getting tea partied like the republican party did in 2010 with trump finishing republican party establishment off.

    lany (458455)

  121. I defended Roy Moore, not because I thought it would be any loss if he was not elected to the Senate, but because if we let the Democrat Media Smear Machine bring him down with such old and tenuous accusations, no man would be safe. I said so at the time, and we’re now seeing it with Kavanaugh, a man with an impeccable record attacked with ridiculous accusations. No, you cannot afford to be reasonable when dealing with unreasonable people. You have to beat up all their cowboys at the feed store and then, when they bring in a gunfighter, you have to bring your own gunfighter.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. 120. He is a lonely person, DCSCA.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face!’

    yale’s dorky but no way is it dorky to where it has people yelling down the hall about Brett putting his penis in Debbie’s face

    that’s not a thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  124. Yes Gloria all red preferred falsified evidence, and it didn’t matter, the scandal/house of cards montage we see now is even worse then again we saw a similar pattern of defamation ten years ago.

    Narciso (413bf2)

  125. that’s not a thing

    When you’re right, you’re right, footsies.

    Now “The ‘Keginator’ just whipped it out on Dizzy Deb!” I could believe…

    Dave (b41e40)

  126. Damn…that’s as bad as not getting your driver’s license until your mid 20s…http://www.yahoo.com/news/kavanaugh-floats-virginity-defense-amid-sexual-assault-allegations-235202074.html
    and in Trump World later bloomership is the horrible crime (now wait for the inevitable Steven Miller “Hold My Beer” meme).

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  127. Have we had some leftist Psych Professor weigh in on how men with repressed sexuality are 300% more likely to spring their junk on unsuspecting coeds yet?

    steveg (a9dcab)

  128. Nk has it exactly right. This was obvious from the beginning.

    NJRob (006128)

  129. Flashback to what the left did to Miguel Estrada to prevent him from being appointed to a high court. The abuse caused untold suffering for his wife and eventually caused her death.

    What is this hateful abuse against Kavanaugh doing to his wife and daughters?

    NJRob (006128)

  130. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogVHlmFcx0

    “makin’ their way; the only way they know how; that’s just a little bit more than the law will allow…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  131. Damn Carterites!!!

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  132. The searching, probing, Fox Interview with the defamed Judge (an excerpt):

    MCCALLUM: Do you believe there should be an FBI investigation into these allegations and that a pause should happen and, you know, sort it all out? If there’s nothing to worry about and nothing to hide, why not have that process, Ashley? And then I’ll ask you that, Brett.

    B. KAVANAUGH: I mean, I’ve said all along and Ashley, too, I want to be heard. I was first interviewed last Monday, the day after the allegation appeared by the committee staff under penalty of felony, and I denied this categorically and unequivocally and I said twice during that, I said, “I want a hearing tomorrow,” last Tuesday, a week ago.

    I want an opportunity – a fair process. America’s about fairness, I want a fair process where I can defend my integrity and clear my name as quickly as I can in whatever forum the Senate deems appropriate.

    MACCALLUM: When you hear senators who are on the committee – Senator Mazie Hirono and then you hear from others, you know, the New York Senator Gillibrand, she says, “I believe this woman. I believe all of them. They’re credible, and we all have to believe them.”

    When you hear United States Senators who are making judgments, final judgments, what does that make you think about the presumption of innocence in this country?

    B. KAVANUGH: In America, we have fairness. We hear from both sides. I’ve spent my life in the judiciary, the – our judicial system, and part of the judicial systems as I’ve said during my first – my hearing was process protectium (ph). That’s what judges believe that’s what our system was built on, the rule of law, about fair process.

    MACCALLUM: Do you feel unprotected by the process?

    B. KAVANAUGH: Fair process means hearing from both sides, and I think the process – I want to have an opportunity to defend my integrity and clear my name and have a fair process. A fair process at a minimum – at a bare minimum requires hearing from both sides before rushing –

    Re: the issue of an FBI investigation, NO RESPONSE. The ol’ politician’s sidestep (that ol’ politican, Brett). And no followup. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: Mark Judge, and whether he should testify. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: Mark Judge’s accounts of life at Georgetown Prep for the binge-ing, barfing boys. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: “Bart O’Kavanaugh”. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: “100 Keg Club”. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: anything re: K’s drinking at GP et. seq. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: “And your honor, what does “FFFFFourth of July” mean, there in your yearbook entry?” [see Avenatti’s “suggestion”] NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?)

    Re: “When you hear United States Senators who are making judgments, final judgments, what does that make you think about the presumption of innocence in this country?” Was that a trick question? The onliest ones I can recall making anything close to final judgments long before the hearing are Republicans (McConnell, Graham, Hatch) . . . and they seem not to “presume” innocence, as much as deciding innocence in advance. No matter. NO RESPONSE to the question, and no followup.

    Hey. The Judge just wants a fair process. What does that mean? “Fair process means hearing from both sides” Why doesn’t the Judge elaborate, in the process, that “hearing from both sides” in this case counsels the Committee to compel testimony from his erstwhile-buddy Mark? I mean, surely, if he could imagine himself to be on the other side – with all his experience as an attorney and a judge (so attuned to fairness, and all) – clearly the “jury” is entitled to that testimony. No? Maybe, though, he just couldn’t answer that – being unable to entertain “hypotheticals”.

    As McConnell said, no worries, the Senate will plow right through this and confirm the Judge. Yay. Similarly, FOX decided to participate in a charade interview, and plow right around any real, professional questioning. Hey, I’m sure they had “no choice”; that that was a condition of the interview. But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?

    Q! (86710c)

  133. They don’t give a farthing, is the short answer

    Narciso (413bf2)

  134. @127. ROFLMAO is he kidding?? ‘Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh put forth an alibi Monday to try to shoot down claims that he sexually assaulted one woman while in high school and another while attending college: At the time of both alleged incidents, he was a virgin.’

    Maybe that’s because, waving you junk in a ladies face is no way to lose it, son.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. Who doesn’t give a farthing?

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  136. The left does, David plouffe Obama’s campaign manager made the strategy clear.

    Narciso (413bf2)

  137. so will a cock crow if Narciso dogs Fox News a third time (#22, #134) today?

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  138. 133… the Lion of the Senate Teddy “Commodore Oldsmobile” Kennedy must be rolling in his grave…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. @ 133 .. Whoops. Correct the record (my profound apologies) Re: anything re: K’s drinking at GP et. seq. NO SUCH QUESTION. (But, hey, it’s FOX, whaddya expect?) Strike it out entirely, boys and girls. Some questioning on that topic was in fact done. Apologies, again.

    Q! (86710c)

  140. When Farrow broke the story about Weinstein, there were multiple women, telling similar tales of abuse. There was no way you couldn’t deny his piggish ways. With Ms. Ramirez, shaky doesn’t even begin to describe it, which tells you how far the Dems are willing to go to scuttle Kavanaugh.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  141. News Corp specially under new management, is still too wedded to establishment remained views

    Narciso (413bf2)

  142. Considering you could swap out “Big Black SUV” for “Little Red Corvette” during her governorship, she should be more steadfast in defending Kavs – http://www.yahoo.com/news/nikki-haley-declines-echo-trump-150710294.html

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  143. Is not her yob, mon!

    nk (dbc370)

  144. #133 He was asked about the drinking and the parties. Hirono, Gillibrand, Booker, and Harris would all fit into the mind made up club anti-due process club. A fair process might start with an actual allegation under oath which I don’t think we have yet.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  145. Did I mention that Brett fucked me? And he impregnated me? And he was Xexes.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  146. Per MSNBC/Maddow this evening, apparently Avenatti represents #3 -a witness and a victim- ready to roll out and that ‘train’ is about to leave the station within the next 48 hours. Ugh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  147. I think it’s good that he’s announced this now. I think the best option is for him to hold it until Thursday, make a big splash, keep the name anonymous as long as he can, and demand more delays in the vote.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  148. Their mear tactics that would never stand up in a court of law, they are using the strategy they’d planned in early July.

    They wouldn’t allow GWB to appoint his nominee in the last year of his presidency.

    Sotomayor received 9 Republican Votes in 2009, Kagan received 5 republican votes in 2010, a mid-term election year. The Democrats go back and forth on appointments in mid-term election years and during the last year of a presidency. They’ll support them when a Democrat is president but fight tooth and nail if they don’t have the Oval Office. They stacked every court they could during Obama’s two terms with progressive statists because they want issues and policies nationalized. They want to extend the power and reach of the state and will do anything… ANYTHING, to accomplish that.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  149. Xerxes. Lionadies. This is SPARTA!.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  150. I think the phrase is molon labe,

    Narciso (413bf2)

  151. > They wouldn’t allow GWB to appoint his nominee in the last year of his presidency.

    which nominee was this? can you name a name?

    from what i remember there was no vacancy in the last year of GWB’s presidency.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  152. I once drove a knox class frigate off a bridge in the La Perousse straight in an Oldsmobobile at thirty kilometers. While pilonting an F-118.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  153. I aimed the type ten sidewinder type twenty too hundred triple xillion right at him.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  154. You’re a wild man steve,

    Narciso (413bf2)

  155. I am Spartacus.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  156. Well considering the context, themistocles.

    Narciso (413bf2)

  157. Actually I am.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  158. This is,like that trick Bruce Willis pulled in live free or die hard, except that one didn’t involve a boat

    Narciso (413bf2)

  159. It’s come to this:

    Senator Harris: “Judge Kavanaugh, please describe for the Committee, and the American people, the circumstances under which you ‘reached first base’ with a woman for the first time. Mr. Chairman, for your information, I’ll have follow-ups regarding second base, third base and home plate as well.”

    Dave (445e97)

  160. There’s a new post up about the interview.

    Dana (023079)

  161. aphreal, I am deeply sorry to hear of your abuse. I know of similar stories. To give details would betray confidences that I took to bear to my grave. I was an Alter boy. A Boy Scout. Hell, I was an Eagle Scout. I retired a Lieutenant Commander.

    I suspect I am entirely different from you.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)


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