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8/19/2018

The Trump Administration, Summarized: “Truth Isn’t Truth”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:32 am

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

194 Responses to “The Trump Administration, Summarized: “Truth Isn’t Truth””

  1. If you want context for the first clip, just pull back the time thingie to the beginning.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. It’s inartfully expressed, but Guiliani is correct in the context of interviews given to law enforcement agents and the use of such interviews in setting up prosecutions for or lying to investigators.

    The investigators get to choose what they think the “truth” is when there is a conflict between the two statements given.

    When Comey meets with Trump alone in the Oval Office, each is going to come out of that meeting with their narrative of what was said. There is no way to test one v. the other except in a contest of “credibility.”

    So you are not establishing “truth” through the use of a jury process, you are establishing which person is believed by the jury.

    It’s certainly possible that the more “believable” person is actually not telling the truth.

    That is the context for his statement, and in that context Guiliani’s characterization is not wrong.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  3. It’s inartfully expressed,

    Ya think?

    Patterico (e66a17)

  4. Another example of truth vs truth is the climate change mess.
    Science that is settled even though the results keep changing. Climate change truths from 10 years ago have been found not to be true, same will probably go for truths written and spoken about today.

    Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Brennan have all claimed to have “misremembered” truths which is another way of them saying that at the time of the interview or testimony they felt they were being truthful.
    Or there are the word games Hillary used “wipe the hard drive? like with a cloth?”

    Or a truthful answer that can get you into trouble like lets say…. ok… ear with me
    Q: were you with Mr. blah Thursday night the 29th of February?
    A: no

    Questioner: Aha. You lied. We have a photo and witnesses placing you there at 7:00PM and an email from you at 6:45PM saying you will be there at 7PM

    A. I don’t understand then because when I got home the sun wasn’t down yet.

    Or maybe better would be an over broad question like those they asked of Sessions about contact with Russians.
    Sessions clearly was used to asking ze questions because he should of just said he talks to Russians all the time. Government work, social settings and someone is bound to have made small talk about Trumps prospects. Instead Sessions assumed context and pissed himself

    steveg (a9dcab)

  5. Patterico (115b1f)

  6. George Orwell (not his ghost), call your office.

    In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable…what then?
    – 1984

    Dave (445e97)

  7. the hot and horny men and women of the pervert fbi don’t even record their interviews so they can make up anything they want

    this is why nobody trusts them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. Trump has been said not to pay bills for services poorly rendered (as is his right), and if so, Rudy should be working for free.

    That said, I think a majority of people know exactly what Rudy meant. Muellers crew has no problem putting either a fine or a broad line on the truth and I’d assume Trumps defense lawyers would try to blur Muellers fine lines and sharpen Muellers broad lines

    Oh and it was supposed to be June the 29th

    steveg (a9dcab)

  9. George Zimmerman did not commit a crime and neither did Michael Brown

    steveg (a9dcab)

  10. You mean Darren Wilson, but the times the post the journal msnbc ABC all insisted orherwise.

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  11. the hot and horny men and women of the pervert fbi don’t even record their interviews

    Good thing Omarosa does, huh?

    :)

    Dave (445e97)

  12. neither did george pappadopoulos

    our justice system is a sick joke anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Omarosa’s just part of a continuing trend where a slag becomes the face of the Democratic party

    whether it’s stormy or her pimp or maxine or hillary or adam schiff or a dirty he-she or some ex-cia poofterboy

    consistently since President Trump got into office by doing victory all up in it

    the public face of the Democratic party is invariably trashy ghetto sleazy or self-mutilating

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. oops i forgot to add beverly nelson

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. Omarosa’s just part of a continuing trend where a slag becomes the face of the Democratic party

    Footsies (can I call you that? “Mr. Feet” just seems altogether too formal), who created a $180K/year West Wing job for Ms. Omarosa?

    Dave (445e97)

  16. Steven hatfill didn’t send the anthrax, teddy deegan wasn’t killed by greco,

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  17. that’s not the question is it

    the question is why are President Trump’s antagonists so garbagey

    it’s like God’s looking out for him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. Steven hatfill didn’t send the anthrax, teddy deegan wasn’t killed by greco,

    they suppressed evidence on purpose to convict Ted Stevens and do jojn mccain’s dirty obamacare all up in it

    that’s how corrupt the filthy DOJ is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. oops i meant to type *john* mccain’s dirty obamacare

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. She did not say ‘I can see russia from my house that would be doomed island across the bering.

    Mohammed aldura was not killed by the idf.

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  21. yes yes you can call me Footsies

    but just you

    it’ll be our thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. The investigators get to choose what they think the “truth” is when there is a conflict between the two statements given.

    what would they make of this do you think?

    i’m not easy to live with
    i know that it’s true
    you’re no picnic either, babe
    and that’s one of the things I love about you

    this is clearly an perjury cause if someone’s not a picnic to live with then you love them in spite of their un-picnickyness not BECAUSE of it

    so what’s the truth Don?

    you’re obviously harboring a lot of resentment

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. Jeremy Cornyn did pay tribute to the black September terrorists, and he lied about it for a decade.

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  24. The stupidity is astounding. Democracy does not work for Spankytons, they need to move to Russia or Iran to curtsy to their dictator.

    Tillman (d34303)

  25. I liked my doctor for 23 years, I didn’t get to keep my doctor.

    mg (9e54f8)

  26. Someone inform Republicans in Congress that it’s time to grow a backbone.

    Ex-Fox analyst: Trump is a danger to the US
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/08/19/ralph-peters-says-trump-is-a-danger-to-republic-rs-vpx.cnn

    Tillman (d34303)

  27. Love the bold print – your cap key stuck?

    mg (9e54f8)

  28. The truth has become subjective. We’ve known this for a few years.

    Dejectedhead (f376b4)

  29. this is an interesting discussion of how increasingly corrupt fbi butt-sniffer James Comey and gestapo slurp-boy Robert Mueller have become over the years

    Hannity opened the interview with questions: “How is it all of these politicians have become filthy rich? They’re supposed to be public servants. Where does the money come from? What are the conflicts of interest?”

    Hannity drew from Bruner’s new book, “James Comey’s net worth has skyrocketed 4000%. By the time he left [the Department of Justice] in 2005 and came back in 2013, [James] Comey made 6.1 million dollars after [Robert] Mueller granted his employer, Lockheed Martin – the largest contractor in history – a billion-dollar boondoggle. Under Mueller’s direction, the FBI granted multiple spy contracts to Lockheed Martin while Comey was advising them on the legality of their operations. Comey also received another six million dollars working for one of the world’s largest hedge funds and an additional $500,000 for unused vacation time.”

    “Mueller cashed in, as well,” continued Hannity. “In 2013, when Comey took over the FBI while Mueller left to start consulting at a consulting firm, he made more than 3.5 million in about year giving speeches and representing clients who had previously enriched his FBI director; clients like the world’s most profitable spy corporation.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. I’m not on board with the implied (direct?) criticism of Rudy’s truth. The man is far too generous with his thoughts and he does not take care to understand that his audience is not just seasoned LE and Criminal Bar folks. They would easily and quickly get what he was saying. Heck, they all play games with “truth.” It’s their sworn duty, afterall.

    No. RG’s crime is in not recognizing that the vast majority of the “truth tellers” aka the media, and a huge number of Americans are looking to discredit him and his main client at every turn and at all cost. He stepped right in it here. Again.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  31. nobody believes the CNN Jake Tapper fake news anymore though

    they’re just like the FBI they have no credibility

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. Is it not at all interesting to anyone that an Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior career staffer who worked under Dep. AG Sally Yates — there are between 7-10 Associates in that office, as well as less senior staffers — maintained contact for well over a year, deep into the Pres. Trump’s first term in office, with former Brit Intel officer Steele, who the FBI had officially closed out as a source because of his violation of the agreement with the FBI to have no contact with the press.

    Does anyone else see significance in the email traffic between Ohr and Steele well into 2017 where Steele worries about whether the “firewalls will hold”, and after Comey is fired he worries that he will be “exposed.”

    Is none of this is worrying in the sense that Ohr — after meeting numerous times with Steele — passed on the contents of his discussions with Steele to the same FBI who had found Steele to be untruthful, and to have violated the terms of his source agreement thereby making him “unreliable” in Bureau-speak?

    Is none of this worrying that Ohr had repeated and regular contact with Glenn Simpson at Fusion GPS, and that his wife worked for Fusion GPS on the very same project that Steele was hired to work on?

    No one here seems to be concerned that Ohr’s jump responsibilities had nothing to do with intelligence, counter-intelligence, or national security matters — he was head of OCDETF, and his portfolio of responsibilities as Associate Dep. AG involved US efforts and policies at combating narcotics trafficking.

    Does anyone care that this takes the investigation far beyond the “professionals” at the FBI, and directly into the laps of the political appointees in the Obama DOJ?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  33. we’ve known how corrupt Sally Yates is since she set up Mike Flynn

    John McCain loves her though (cowardly disgraced former navy officer)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. Truth is beauty, beauty is truth,
    And Giuliani is ugly.
    That man, he so ugly he should not be on TV. When he go to the ATM it turn off its camera.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. No they want the devil hanged at any cost, and it will stop there, honest.

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  36. Reminds me of the criticism of Rumsfield’s known known comment. This criticism will age just as poorly.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  37. Yes Giuliani, pioneered this sledgehammer approach, and applied to civil matters.

    Narciso (46f4b4)

  38. i wonder what the hot and horny men and women of the FBI are doing to the Manafort jurors this weekend

    i bet they just straight up bribe and threaten them – both, not either/or

    they don’t have time to be subtle

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. “Consensus reality is not actual reality” was probably a little too big-worded for the average MSNBC viewer.

    Steppe Nomad (86980a)

  40. And Giuliani is ugly.

    He just appeals to a more refined and sophisticated taste than yours.

    Dave (445e97)

  41. “What is truth?” is not something to be discussed with dog food and “feminine protection” salesmen on what passes for news media these days, that’s a fact. But I would not grant Giuliani the dignity of a Pontius Pilate in any forum. “Third Pharisee from the left” maybe.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. This all seems like another terrible misunderstanding about the meaning of the word “is”.

    Dave (445e97)

  43. “Truth Isn’t Truth…”

    It’s an alternative fact.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. who arrested someone for a crime he didn’t commit again, of course he is speaking at the place, where the entire top staff probably perjured themselves in the libby inquiry,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. @38.Truth is beauty, beauty is truth, And Giuliani is ugly. That man, he so ugly he should not be on TV. When he go to the ATM it turn off its camera.

    Too late:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

    ____

    @25. Democracy does not work for Spankytons

    Businessmen are autocrats and corporations operate as autocracies; name one that successfully operates as a ‘democracy.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. Oh whoa is us. Who is we to believe: Nixon or Dean?

    Cue Omarosa Butterfield.

    History rhymes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. 2.It’s inartfully expressed, but Guiliani is correct…

    Stop.

    Trix are for kids.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. ‘a pen and a phone is all I need’ hence he conjured up daca, out of this right pocket, no review necessary, tapping the entire ap rolodex took a little more legerdemain, specially when you know who the leaker was,

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. he’ll be headlining at yuk yuks:

    https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1031243024897126402

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. that’s the way its written:

    https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1031208166157996032

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Teahupo’o WSL finals Live.Wright vs Medina

    mg (9e54f8)

  52. 9.Trump has been said not to pay bills for services poorly rendered (as is his right), and if so, Rudy should be working for free.

    See #49; he takes it out in trade. Flats or pumps today, Rudy?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. and the intelligence assessment based on the dossier, is different how:
    https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1031165517703393280

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. 26.I liked my doctor for 23 years, I didn’t get to keep my doctor.

    They do die, too. Sorry for your loss.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. “The senator from Kentucky is now working for (Russian President) Vladimir Putin,” McCain fumed after Paul at one point blocked the treaty [to add joke-state Montenegro to an increasingly feeble and neutered Turk0infested NATO].

    lol what a fuming lunatic

    why hasn’t he resigned

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. oops that was meaned to say Turk-infested

    cause of airshow these jetty jetty jets jets keep roaring by and i’m easily startled today for some reason

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. Circling the drain, the faster you go and the dizzier you get, eh, Rudy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. Trump tweets Dean was a “RAT.”

    Not a “RAT FINK?”

    Kind of you, Captain, sir.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. no, mueller is the Major Renault in brooks brothers, it doesn’t matter if you quit the campaign two years ago, if you live in dubai, or London, or anywhere in between, there is no end to his charter, no one is out of his reach,

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. sessions and rosytwat are really sick and twisted people

    they’re basically anti-american nazis

    how does this redound to anyone’s benefit?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. When you’re over the target you get
    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/08/15/the-bibi-paradox/

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  62. Truth be told, the CiC and his minions are television incarnate: Reality TeeVee.

    “Listen to me: Television is not the truth! Television is a God-damned amusement park! Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, side-show freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We’re in the boredom-killing business! So if you want the truth… Go to God! Go to your gurus! Go to yourselves! Because that’s the only place you’re ever going to find any real truth.” – Howard Beale [Peter Finch] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. Yes it’s not as easy as think:
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/the-todd-trap.php

    Ask ted Stevens, but you may have to wait

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  64. The NY Times has published an anonymously sourced story “Trump Lawyers’ Sudden Realization: They Don’t Know What Don McGahn Told Mueller’s Team”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/politics/don-mcgahn-trump-mueller.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news that suggests White House Counsel Don McGhan has furnished the Special Counsel with much damaging information about President Trump that will support an allegation of Obstruction against the president.

    Not until we reach paragraph 17 in the story do we find this: “Mr. McGahn gave a mix of damaging and favorable information about the president, but he said Mr. Trump did not go beyond his legal authorities as president.”

    Stu707 (e2fb68)

  65. “McCarthy explains…”

    And when you’re explaining, you’re losing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. CNN Jake Tapper fake news is suddenly all up in the catholicism pedophilia story

    but they literally have Jake Tapper on it not the poofter boys

    how awkward is that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. Mr. Trump did not go beyond his legal authorities as president

    but pervy jeff sessions, corrupt rod rosytwat, and gestapo Bob Mueller have exceeded their authorities time and time and time again

    it’s clear the doj and the fbi are defending their prerogative to be as lawless dirty and slutty as they want

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. as far as i can tell this “truth isn’t truth” thing didn’t blow up to be a thing by any means

    this tells me the hot and horny men and women of the pervert fbi are peeing themselves for fear that what Mr. Giuliani was saying would resonate

    which tells me that yes

    all gestapo Bob and his hot and hornies have up their sleeve is a perjury trap

    and how many millions have these dirty lick-lick dogs spent to end up here?

    and nevertrump is whining plaintively about the deficit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. why does Jack Dorsey always look like he’s trying to figure out how to lure an eight year old girl from flyover country to san francisco for illicit (sexual) purposes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. Axios: Trump said one-state solution would mean future Israeli PM would be named Mohammed

    i love you so much Mr. Trump you’re not just my president you’re my everything

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  71. In mccarrys ahelleys heart there was a lefty supreme court justice, who was proposed by the beleaguered Democrat in order to prevail in the election, but he turned out to be a power on his own

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  72. it really does seem for all the world like if you apply for a bank loan it’s by Grace alone the hot and horny men and women of the fbi don’t throw you in jail for fraud

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. Well I assume diverting loaned monies for lobbying into buying really bad art is a violation of some contract stipulation.

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  74. You mean like diverting a charity’s money to buy a portrait of you and hang it up in your personal property?

    Colonel Klink (d8a025)

  75. Right like they were going to prosecute general flynn for making a promotional film about turkey,

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  76. Had they anything else they would have charged him, but you see unlike admiral mcraven, who seemed to be silent when al queda was not going away and Islamic was growing, general Flynn was not silent.

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  77. The NYTimes is having a rough few days:

    NYTimes Michelle Goldberg says President Trump would like to round people up and murder them

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/unhinged-ny-times-columnist-makes-trump-claim-extreme-msnbc-host-reprimands-dont-think-can-say/

    harkin (c4b982)

  78. The one who was throwing shade on the huntress ten years ago, then they gave her a Pulitzer for sliming the tea party in general in 2012,

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  79. In other news Doug Ford is dispensing with prime minister zoolanders clean energy policg

    Narciso (0c09b6)

  80. The question I have is, when did Giuliani start with the crazy eyes. Or this.

    Paul Montagu (5b48d1)

  81. Mommy: Honey, you must never lie because people who lie don’t go to Heaven.
    Little girl: Mommy, don’t you ever lie?
    Mommy: Never, honey.
    Little girl: So you’re going to go to Heaven?
    Mommy: Yes, honey.
    Little girl: Won’t you be lonely up there?
    Mommy: Lonely, honey?
    Little girl: Yes, with just you and George Washington.

    nk (dbc370)

  82. Interesting post on Ace in regards to settled science that also applies to just about everything reported on Trump;

    “Instead of “true” and “not true” I’d substitute “consistent with what we know so far” (i.e., not yet disproven), and “not true.” The problem with characterizing an explanation as “true” is that it gradually accretes more and more credibility over time, until it becomes received truth. It’s important to remind oneself that any explanation could be overturned tomorrow.”

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  83. He not only memorialized black September but then met with their imitators:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/19/exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-attended-conference-qatar-hamas-military/

    Narciso (459ac7)

  84. DCSCA is back in the business of making extremely dumb comparisons:

    “Businessmen are autocrats and corporations operate as autocracies; name one that successfully operates as a ‘democracy.’”

    Pretty much any business that gets taken over by its managers (as opposed to its owners), honestly. Apple is much more of a democracy in the Tim Cook era than it ever was in the Jobs era, and Microsoft post-Gates makes every H1-B a king of his own tiny digital fiefdom.

    “as far as i can tell this “truth isn’t truth” thing didn’t blow up to be a thing by any means”

    Whenever liberals or #NeverTrumpers talk about common morality, it’s with the stilted clumsiness of aliens picking up the local language.

    Steppe Nomad (ccc542)

  85. The question I have is, when did Giuliani start with the crazy eyes. Or this.

    The GRU’s methods may not be pretty, but they are effective.

    Dave (445e97)

  86. @91. Your diploma is pink, Red; successful corporations do not operate as democracies; or didn’t your station chief learn you that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. Juche Dave, is just removing all doubt, so is his his dance partner:

    https://amgreatness.com/2

    Narciso (1e4d9d)

  88. Codevilla was articulating the Wendellian POV in that piece.

    urbanleftbehind (855a1e)

  89. Codevilla was tracking down commies,back
    when perry was welcoming our would be Sandinista overlords.

    Narciso (1e4d9d)

  90. But this was the horowitz piece, re goldberg.

    Narciso (1e4d9d)

  91. Fake News! Fake News, they say. Sponsored by the folks that bring you “alternative facts” and “truth isn’t truth”.

    noel (96c84f)

  92. Adding to this comment (which has no business being in moderation), Bob Bauer wonders, for good reason, why there should even be a White House counsel, given that he’s not protected (for the most part) by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege.

    Paul Montagu (5b48d1)

  93. A common definition of truth is being “in accordance with fact or reality”.

    We shouldn’t ask the White House try to separate fact and truth…. from opinion and theory…. at a time when it’s so important that nobody know the difference.

    noel (96c84f)

  94. President Obama’s counsel from Perkins and coie, that scandal free administration, except for fast and furious, irs benghazi cash for clunkers…

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  95. Truth isn’t truth. Reality isn’t reality. There is no such thing as perjury. But, we can’t take the risk.

    Right, Rudy?

    noel (96c84f)

  96. Link to Horowitz piece narc references above:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/19/trumps-character-and-trumps-presidency/

    What’s noteworthy in this piece is tu quoque argumentation on bad character:

    The posture of these NeverTrumpers is transparently self-serving. It preserves their intellectual credentials as “conservatives,” and simultaneously takes them out of the line of fire from an increasingly vicious Left whose goal is to destroy Trump and his presidency, and—incidentally—conservative America. Sitting on the fence affords them new career opportunities—appearances on CNN and MSNBC and columns in the New York Times. All that’s required is that they avoid taking sides in the political war that is engulfing the country. All this reminds me of a memorable Trotsky sneer about liberals, whom he accused of being reluctant to step into the stream of political conflict because they were afraid to get their moral principles wet.

    In other words — people who say bad characters are wimpy, because that brings in the fame and fortune. Nice guy, with a Masters in mindreading.

    Once we get past what too many Trump fans seem obliged to do — slatter somebody’s reputation — we get to some reasonably interesting meat. Horowitz regards Trump as loyal. He was loyal to Omorosa. He was loyal to Bannon and Sessions at the beginning of his term, when they were accused of being white nationalist racists. This seems pretty weak tea — Trump was reeady and willing to dispatch Bannon when he took too much credit for the 2016 campaign, and being the resident supergenius. And his feelings for Sessions are evident to anyone who glances at his twitter feed.

    But this is what Horowitz defines as the real loyalty:

    Has Trump kept his promises to his supporters? Has he stayed the course he set for himself of making America great again? That loyalty is the character trait that matters most in a leader, and should matter most in any assessment of Trump. He has taken great personal risks and incurred great personal costs. His reputation for example, was pretty good before he ran against Democrats and their media, who fueled an epidemic of hate portraying him as a racist and neo-Nazi.

    I’m betting there isn’t another Republican who would not have wilted under these attacks. Who would have had the fortitude to stay the course, and keep his promises. That’s really good character. And it’s presidential.

    And this is the thing anti-Trump Conservatives have to answer. Trump has done things — some fairly easy — that Conservatives for years said they wanted to do, and never did. Why does Trump have the intestinal fortitude to do them, and the Bushies and like minded Republicans did not?

    I believe Trump’s unending sense of personal grievance, racism, perpetual unpreparedness, corruption and indifference to ethics will stain Conservatism for years. The trickiness of the anti-Trumper is making that case, and also making the case that if never-Trump conservatives actually take over, they will actually DO anything. That’s the real challenge.

    Appalled (96665e)

  97. I regard Obama as a usurper as a corrupt influence, ten years later I realize McCain was utterly useless,

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  98. narciso:

    An usurper? He won popular and electoral college vote. That’s frankly nonsense.

    A corrupt influence? Corrupt is too strong — I don’t think he was on the take. Did he establish some lousy precedents that are corrupting? Oh yeah. Much of the reason Trump can look so active is all those Obama executive actions were written in sand, and Obama showed him the way to act withut considering Congress or anyone else.

    Appalled (96665e)

  99. Foreign money from unverified sources, defamation from the journolist collusion, against any worthy opponent,

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

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    Michael Flynn was unavailable for comment

    steveg (a9dcab)

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    I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!”

    These tweets are Art with a capital A.

    Steppe Nomad (a43c4e)

  102. Trump has done things — some fairly easy — that Conservatives for years said they wanted to do, and never did.

    Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is the only thing I can think of, and that requires an asterisk because Dubya said he would “begin the process”, recognizing that the embassy’s location gave us leverage over both sides that would evaporate once the move was completed. And so it has.

    I think the embassy should be in Jerusalem, but this affects the lives of Americans not at all; weighed in the balance against Trump’s disastrous Keystone Kops foreign policy, any good moving the embassy has done pales in comparison to the real harm Trump has done in nearly every other region of the globe.

    Other than that, Trump has broken every promise he made during the campaign:

    1) Appointing pro-life judges who will overturn Roe, nope.
    2) Building a wall higher than the Great Wall of China and making Mexico pay for it, nope.
    3) Repealing Obamacare and replacing with something that “takes care of everyone” better at a fraction of the cost, nope.
    4) Hillary Clinton sent to prison, nope.
    5) Eliminating the national debt in 8 years without raising taxes, nope.
    6) Ending crime and violence, nope.
    7) Death penalty for all cop-killers, nope.
    8) Complete and total ban on Muslim immigration, nope.
    9) Immediate end to DACA, nope.
    10) Summary execution of the wives, mothers and children of suspected terrorists, nope.
    11) Extreme forms of physical torture much worse than waterboarding used punitively, nope.
    12) Nuclear weapons for Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia, nope.
    13) Bowe Bergdahl thrown out of helicopter over Afghanistan without a parachute, nope.
    14) Giving us “everything,” nope.

    The list just goes on and on.

    Dave (445e97)

  103. My wish has come true, I am enjoying David boi loosing his marbles. Love your hate list, give us another, please. Lmao at your extreme hate. Rino love is a disease.

    mg (9e54f8)

  104. Dave
    Have you ever considered running for public office?

    13) Bowe Bergdahl thrown out like the contents of a chamberpot would be a start…. although having to live with those two fools as parents would be sentence enough for most of us

    steveg (a9dcab)

  105. Have you ever considered running for public office?

    I was student council vice-president in high-school, does that count?

    Dave (445e97)

  106. I feel like I’m in Bizzaro World from the old Superman comics.

    Rochf (877dba)

  107. I was student council vice-president in high-school, does that count?

    Don’t sell yourself short, Dave. Apparently, you wield the power to kill “millions of jobs. Generations of families, entire towns destroyed by your economic ignorance.” You know, if you could that just by your “economic ignorance” alone, just imagine the devastation you could wreak with the rest of your abilities, or inabilities as it were.

    Paul Montagu (5b48d1)

  108. More lists, more lists, more lists, more lists

    mg (9e54f8)

  109. Rudy just “clarified” his “truth isn’t truth” remarks, which is a damn sight better than Clinton sticking with his definition of “is” brain damage.

    Paul Montagu (5b48d1)

  110. 2. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 8/19/2018 @ 8:42 am

    It’s inartfully expressed, but Guiliani is correct in the context of interviews given to law enforcement agents and the use of such interviews in setting up prosecutions for or lying to investigators.

    If you think a littlr bit deeper into it, you would se etheer;s no real risk of prosecution. Just reputation harming.

    I don’t think they usualy prosecute when two witnesses contradict each other. There has to be some other proof. Otherwise you have got the very definitoon of reasonable doubt. On top of that, Mueller is bound by a DOJ policy not to indict asitting president. he could recommend impeachment, but you don’t need a criminal act to do so, and a House ZDemocratic majority would — well what it would do is condict alot of investigations, while looking for soemthing stronger.

    SWC> When Comey meets with Trump alone in the Oval Office, each is going to come out of that meeting with their narrative of what was said.

    Trump had no idea this would become something important. I think it’s posisble taht trump offhandedly said a few words about Flynn.

    But the purpose of that conversation was the NYT article that day.

    This story:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

    If you carefully read what Flynn wrote in his prepared testimonmy about the meeting late that day

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf

    …you will see that he has Trump reverting to the topic of leak at a point in the conversation where there is possibility that they were overheard.

    After he had spoken for a few minutes about leaks, Reince Priebus leaned in through the door by the grandfather clock and I could see a group of people waiting behind him. The President waved at him to close the door, saying he would be done shortly. The door closed.

    The President then returned to the topic of Mike Flynn…The President returned briefly to the problem of leaks. I then got up and left out the door by the grandfather clock

    I think it quite possible that Trump said a few words about Mike Flynn, and might have opened up with that even, but didn’t think anything of it, and the main purpose of that meeting was to discuss leaks and that NYT story. Later when asked about it by his lawyers months later, he might nto even remember he did say something about Mike Flynn.

    And what Flynn said he didn’t do – drop the case against Flynn – is precisely what he did do, immediately.

    At 6:25 am February 15, Zero Hedge has this: (that’s Feb 15 in spite of the URL saying Feb 14)

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/mike-flynn-may-face-felony-charges-lying-fbi

    But by 10 pm Zero Hedge reports:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/fbi-reportedly-will-not-pursue-charges-against-cooperative-and-truthful-mike-flynn

    You can find CNN stories and tweets too.

    Within a day, the leak changed.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  111. Viva Venezuela, Davie boi

    mg (9e54f8)

  112. 36. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 8/19/2018 @ 11:29 am

    36.Is it not at all interesting to anyone that an Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior career staffer who worked under Dep. AG Sally Yates — there are between 7-10 Associates in that office, as well as less senior staffers — maintained contact for well over a year, deep into the Pres. Trump’s first term in office, with former Brit Intel officer Steele, who the FBI had officially closed out as a source because of his violation of the agreement with the FBI to have no contact with the press.

    Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie, worked for Fusion GPS, the firm that hired Steele on behalf of the Hillary Clinton cmpaign and the Democratic National Commitee (which was controlled by the Clinton campaign even before her nomination – although HRC didn’t care about orotecting those emails)

    Rush Limbaugh susoects taht nellie Ohr wrote a lot of the derogatory information about trump that was in the dossier, but I think it was genuine Russian disinformation approved of by Vladimir Putin. Putin didn’t know Steele was working for the Democrats, and wanted him to have confidence in his old sources.

    Does anyone else see significance in the email traffic between Ohr and Steele well into 2017 where Steele worries about whether the “firewalls will hold”, and after Comey is fired he worries that he will be “exposed.”

    Fusion ZGPS tried as hard it could to conceal the Dem link.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  113. Ohr and Baumgartner were the two Russian speakers, cody sheared just speaks gibberish.

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  114. ConDave still running his con… who said Tatum O’Neal’s career was dead!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  115. He’s really zombie Andy kauffman:

    https://themarketswork.com/2018/08/19/the-john-brennan-interview/

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  116. Dave:

    1) Appointing pro-life judges who will overturn Roe, nope.
    I actually disagree. You can’t litmus test a judge fully, but he has selected judges that probably are hostile to Roe.

    2) Building a wall higher than the Great Wall of China and making Mexico pay for it, nope.
    But making a stir about enforcing immigration laws, and not just ignoring them after making great promises — Trump has done that. His base is happy with what he seems to be doing, and the rest…well, it’s the deep state.

    3) Repealing Obamacare and replacing with something that “takes care of everyone” better at a fraction of the cost, nope.
    He tried to get a vote on eliminating it and was thwarted by McCain and a few others. Appearance matters on this one. Trump looked to be trying to do something. Whether he did a good or effective job is beside the point.

    4) Hillary Clinton sent to prison, nope.
    Like that was going to happen.

    5) Eliminating the national debt in 8 years without raising taxes, nope.
    Like Trump’s base cares.

    6) Ending crime and violence, nope.
    See #4.

    7) Death penalty for all cop-killers, nope.
    I didn’t remember that one. Trump’s base doesn’t either.

    8) Complete and total ban on Muslim immigration, nope.
    Trump tied. And then got something he wanted through the courts. Eventually. Looks like winning to his base, no matter what the rest of us think.

    9) Immediate end to DACA, nope.
    Trump is fighting the courts here. He’ll probably win.

    10) Summary execution of the wives, mothers and children of suspected terrorists, nope.
    Falls in the “seriously, not literally category.”

    11) Extreme forms of physical torture much worse than waterboarding used punitively, nope.
    Falls in the “seriously, not literally category.”

    12) Nuclear weapons for Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia, nope.
    I didn’t remember that one. Trump’s base doesn’t either.

    13) Bowe Bergdahl thrown out of helicopter over Afghanistan without a parachute, nope.
    I didn’t remember that one. Trump’s base doesn’t either.

    14) Giving us “everything,” nope.
    They don’t want everything. They want winning, or something that looks like that.

    Appalled (96665e)

  117. 124… taking a right turn and exiting the Obama Democrat Expressway to Hell goes a long way with this voter.

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  118. “I think it was genuine Russian disinformation approved of by Vladimir Putin. ”

    Putin’s people write better disinformation. Trump is a well-known germophobe, so the salacious parts of the story make no sense with his long history.

    It would be like trying to spread a story about Trump getting drunk and hitting his wives when it’s long since been known, reported, commented on, and filmed that he’s a complete teetotaler and hasn’t touched alcohol since his teens.

    Ingot9455 (68bf96)

  119. I actually disagree. You can’t litmus test a judge fully, but he has selected judges that probably are hostile to Roe.

    Gorsuch testified to the opposite under oath. He also testified under oath that Trump, despite his campaign promise, never spoke to him about Roe at all.

    But making a stir about enforcing immigration laws, and not just ignoring them after making great promises — Trump has done that. His base is happy with what he seems to be doing, and the rest…well, it’s the deep state.

    Border patrol staffing doubled under Dubya. Trump’s 25% increase is peanuts by comparison.

    He tried to get a vote on eliminating it and was thwarted by McCain and a few others.

    Nothing that he proposed or Congress voted on was even remotely close to what Trump promised during the campaign.

    Trump is fighting the courts here. He’ll probably win.

    What part of “immediately end” is ambiguous? :)

    They don’t want everything. They want winning, or something that looks like that.

    Oh yeah? Well I want everything. He promised he’d give it to me, and he hasn’t delivered.

    *crosses arms*

    (If Trump’s base doesn’t remember his promise to have Bowe Bergdahl murdered, they have very bad memories – it was one of the standard little routines in his stump speech, a big applause line he used repeatedly – because his base ate it up).

    Dave (445e97)

  120. How does the media’s waste taste, Davie boi?

    mg (9e54f8)

  121. Dave:

    As you know by reading the headline of this post — truth isn’t truth. We can argue all day on what Trump specifically promised, and how he’s doing on those promises. What matters isn’t whether promises are being kept, but if the base is satisfied progress is being made on them

    Appalled (96665e)

  122. Ask Mike Flynn.

    For Todd to assert “the truth is the truth” and shall set you free, supposedly one agent who had interviewed Flynn believed he did not lie.

    Papa-what’s-his-name is also being charged with lying to the FBI. And Mueller’s recommended sentence: 30 days in jail.

    And this guy, according to the MSM/DNC (BIRM) said this guy was the guy who was going to take down Trump.

    Yes, inartfully stated, but those with a functioning brain knew what he meant.

    Steve_in_SoCal (7f58f2)

  123. As you know by reading the headline of this post — truth isn’t truth. We can argue all day on what Trump specifically promised, and how he’s doing on those promises. What matters isn’t whether promises are being kept, but if the base is satisfied progress is being made on them.

    Quite so.

    In a place like TrumpWorld where “truth isn’t truth,” lies aren’t lies either. They’re just “alternative facts” or equivalently, DOUBLETHINK:

    To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word DOUBLETHINK it is necessary to exercise DOUBLETHINK. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of DOUBLETHINK one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. – George Orwell, 1984

    Dave (445e97)

  124. “Border patrol staffing doubled under Dubya. Trump’s 25% increase is peanuts by comparison.”

    And how did actual border patrol *enforcement* do under Dubya? Were any of their jobs made easier by Dubya being legendarily beholden to the Chamber of Commerce on immigration?

    “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them”

    I guarantee you that no one lying to the Democrats (whether it’s Trump talking about how he just loves DACA kids or Gorsuch saying he has no plans to do anything about Roe) is operating in this fashion. The Democrats have been and will continue lying to us as long as they’re in power and lying right back to them is less expensive than trying to force investigations and recantations on them. This is simply a part of the larger war, and victory is measured by the amount of forward progress towards the goals (of which many Republicans claimed to be on our side but turns out they were just lying like John McCain.)

    On the battlefield, there is no one righteous, not even one.

    Steppe Nomad (fd7f7d)

  125. On the battlefield, there is no one righteous, not even one.

    Wrong.

    Our side used to tell the truth.

    Dave (445e97)

  126. come-on Patterico, give us some meat for the Trump Hater’s… Rudy was on an interview… he screwed up… oh well… But with the vitriol being spewed about Trump, it would be nice to get some real facts… I mean if LGbT in the military is your thing…say so. If open borders floats your boat, let us know. If getting rid of the previous President’s edicts is beyond the pale, admit it to us… we’ll forgive you, maybe…probably not…sigh

    jason stewart (d9d757)

  127. jason stewart (d9d757) — 8/20/2018 @ 1:17 pm

    This may come as a shock to your one-dimensional, tribal mind, but it is quite possible for a thinking person to oppose Trump’s serial dishonesty and immorality, oppose his moronic trade policies, and oppose his eagerness to spend money we don’t have, without supporting the equally disastrous policies of his political opponents.

    Dave (445e97)

  128. Here is some truth. Friday a school girl in floriduh was 15 cents short in paying for her school lunch. Her lunch was thrown in the garbage and she was told to sit and watch the other children eat their lunches who had money. Libertarian ayn randist conservatism in action. The child has learned a valuable lesson in free enterprise. Children without money go hungry!

    wendell (bddbb2)

  129. Dave:

    #134 — we have around 30% of the electorate murmuring to themselves, as they face the consequences of America being made great again (or else), that they indeed love Big Brother.

    One day, maybe soon, those folks won’t have Trump. And the GOP may not have them. And the GOP, without the people who are now Trumpers, isn’t a majority.

    So it behooves people who are neverTrump, but not in love with what the Democrats and their woke brigade have in store, to figure out what Trump’s got that they ain’t got. And part of it is realizing that saying “well, he’s just lying” may not cut it. Now it may be that some folks are just intoxicated with the way Trump has made racism and sexism acceptable all over again, and that’s the magic. Or maybe, folks just love the way Trump rips society to shreds, just by tweeting. If that’s it, maybe a principled GOP is an electoral loser, and we suffer years in the wilderness.

    But that isn’t what folks prefer, is it? I’m pretty sure it’s not what you prefer.

    Appalled (96665e)

  130. @137. Children without money go hungry!

    In fact, per your own post, she did have money– just not enough for the meal as served. Apparently kiddie lunch laws ain’t a-la-carte in Florida schools.

    “Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.” – Clemenza [Richard Castellano] ‘The Godfather’ 1972

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  131. Appalled (96665e) — 8/20/2018 @ 1:47 pm

    I’m not sure how we dig ourselves out of this hole. In the age of Trump, and look at the Republican primaries, who can be more Trump than Trump. Even though that will actively make it much more likely for a Democrat to get elected.

    Democrats are at least being smart enough in competitive House districts to not actively trying to lose. Sure you get some Ocasio-Cortez’s in 95% blue districts, also a person that has never been elected to anything before, but those 60 districts that look like OH-12 aren’t getting her as an opponent.

    If the future looks like a bunch of drooling dunces, arguing about the things they “know” that are actually unrelated to reality, that doesn’t bode well for actively creating positive momentum. That’s the world we’re in now, where a reality TV star and Twitter troll is the intellectual leader of a major party, and the other one has no leader. Today, we’ve got the fantastic combo of Kim Kardashian, Jake Paul, and Alex Jones. Great, idiocracy is winning the day, just look up the page.

    Colonel Klink (6c8977)

  132. “Wrong.

    Our side used to tell the truth.”

    Our side, though more truthful, still only told half of the truth.

    Steppe Nomad (d936ba)

  133. we have around 30% of the electorate murmuring to themselves, as they face the consequences of America being made great again (or else), that they indeed love Big Brother.

    … and they trust the KGB agent pulling their strings from Moscow more than our own American law enforcement, military and intelligence professionals…

    I think a lot of things have to happen before we have any hope of adult, effective conservative governance again.

    First, Trump has to go.

    Second, the Kremlin has to go.

    Third, the cultists need to be deprogrammed to the point where they are capable of recognizing and interacting with objective reality again. The coming midterm blow-out may help in this regard, but it may not. Cult movements often survive even the most total failure of their leaders’ false prophesies.

    To summarize.

    Dave (445e97)

  134. And it also bears repeating that for all his dishonesties, when you measure it by ‘telling truths that people don’t actually want to hear or deal with’. Donald Trump is the most truthful President we’ve seen in this lifetime.

    Steppe Nomad (aa87a3)

  135. “… and they trust the KGB agent pulling their strings from Moscow more than our own American law enforcement, military and intelligence professionals…”

    Dave. Dave. DAVE!

    Buddy. Pal. I thought I’d only have to repeat this for DCSCA, but it looks like you’re asking for it:

    It’s time to punish you for being stupid and murderous on the timeline again!

    ““Do I think Russia is spying on us and being sneakily provocative? Hell yes. Do I trust their government or their leader? 100% no. But…

    The Russian intelligence services aren’t recording and storing every call, text, and e-mail made in the US. That would be our own NSA, which stores all that in their yottabyte(!)-capacity facility in Utah.

    Putin and the Russian army didn’t fund, train, and encourage ISIS, that would be elements in our own intelligence community, some say CIA, but really, who cares exactly who it was (is). It sure as hell wasn’t Spetznaz.

    The Russians didn’t decide, while US troops were busily engaged in a long, exhausting counterinsurgency, that those very same fighters were the most likely people to engage in domestic terrorism. That would have been Janet Napolitano and Homeland Security.

    GRU agents weren’t the ones harassing and targeting honest (if a little naive) tea party people. That would have been our very own IRS.

    Russian internal security people aren’t the ones pulling old ladies and little girls aside at the airport and molesting them – we have our own TSA to thank for that.

    Russia Today/Pravda/TASS/etc weren’t the ones that told us that Trayvon was an innocent 12 year old, that Mike Brown was a gentle giant, that Bruce Jenner had always been at war with Eastasia, er, been a woman, or that Mitt Romney(!) wanted to kill your grandmother. Our very own MSM was quite capable of that all on their own.

    Russia’s foreign ministry wasn’t the agency that decided that Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, etc. needed to be destabilized and turned into nightmarish abbatoirs. That was OUR own Department of State.””

    Abandon these dark and futile pretentions of WE’LL *FORCE* THESE NAZIS TO SEE IT OUR WAY immediately.

    Steppe Nomad (9323e7)

  136. well of the chechen contingent, might have been redirected toward Syria, as that other theatre grew cold, but there is the question of what happened to the 500 million in funds vouched for that operation,

    we see the hand of Qatar, in Syria, yemen, and Libya, as well as Egypt,

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. Qatar extended a 15 million dollar credit line to turkey, it provides sanctuary to the organizer of the sbarro and dolphinareum discoteque bombings, husam badran, who met with Corbyn in 2012, they were most threatened by general Flynn, bannon and gorka’s policy initiatives,

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. @144. Wake up and smell yourself, Red. Defy your station chief and honor America: shower, Helstinki. Snap out of it, Traitorous Trumpanov:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YeQtMAH0U

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. it’s funny how they seem to target everyone but Russia

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/20/papadopoulos-foreign-payment/

    re Qatar, a lobbyist for them, nick muzin, was discharged from a lawsuit where they presumably hacked the uae ambassador’s emails (I know you’re shocked such things go on)

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. 147:

    Shut up while us Actual-American heroes are educating people, NERD.

    Steppe Nomad (ead630)

  141. The most hilarious thing is that John Brennan (Actual Communist and Actual Sometime Russian Agent) already backpedaled on the Helsinki Hysteria:

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1030842945333805056

    DCSCA probably just copypasted his old discredited talking points by mistake. Keep Sharing That Blue!

    Steppe Nomad (4edeb3)

  142. @151. “Witch Hunt! No Collusion! Witch Hunt! No Collusion! Witch Hunt! No Collusion! Witch Hunt! No Collusion! Witch Hunt! No Collusion! Witch Hunt! No Collusion!”

    Now you’ll feel better, Red.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. @149. Red prattle from a mongaloid:

    http://www.steppenomad.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. What… no 70 year old movie quote!?! No “strawberries, Captain, sir!” poofery ?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  145. Trump is from Queens.

    Rudy’s got goodfella blood in him, too; he hails from, East Flatbush in B’k’lyn.

    ‘Harold Giuliani, [Rudy’s papa] a plumber and a bartender, had trouble holding a job, and was convicted of felony assault and robbery, serving time in Sing Sing. After his release he worked as an enforcer for his brother-in-law Leo D’Avanzo, who ran an organized crime operation involved in loan sharking and gambling at a restaurant in Brooklyn.’- source, wikirapsheet

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  146. @154. Haikhrushchev! Geshundputin!

    Switch on your Philco and have a vodka on the rocks, Rouge Boy. Then honor America, Helstinki: was your pink panties and shower. Comrade Colonel craves a fix; show Red how it’s done in America, kids…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  147. Well I had left that out of the questions to the admiral, but since he insists:

    https://saraacarter.com/gold-star-parents-rip-into-admiral-who-bashed-trump-over-brennan-clearance-revocation/

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. So they’re both the not quite stern-wristed sons of “made” people, DC.

    urbanleftbehind (910956)

  149. Well I had left that out of the questions to the admiral, but since he insists:

    President Trump only likes heroes who don’t get shot down. Ask him.

    Dave (445e97)

  150. That ignores that it was the bonnanos biography in part, that inspired guiliani to go after the mob in earnest, as for any insinuations against trump per they seem unwarranted.

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. That’s quite the angry repetitive posting streak (and racist insults of a people oppressed by the Red Chinese), why is DCSCA so mad today OH WAIT…

    “Comrade Stump
    ‏ @GranTorinoDSA
    2h2 hours ago

    Joseph Stalin had the demon known as Leon Trotsky killed on this day 78 years ago. Press S to SPIT on his grave.”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlE97GaU4AYpJei.jpg

    Oh heck yeS.

    I feel like writing another all-purpose replypasta:

    TROTKSY’S DEATH AT THE HANDS OF HIS OWN EVIL PROJECT ALLIES REMAINS AN ETERNAL REMINDER OF THE FAILURE OF YOUR COMMUNIST PROJECT TO GO INTERNATIONAL! YOU AND THE REST OF YOUR CONTEMPTIBLE TYPE HIDE IN THE BUREAUCRATIC SHADOWS AROUND THE WORLD, HOPING AGAINST HOPE THAT THE CAPITALISTS STAY TOO DUMB AND TOO DECADENT TO FINISH THE JOB AND RID THE WORLD OF COMMUNISM FOREVER AFTER SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYING IT IN RUSSIA!

    AS LONG AS I LIVE I SWEAR THAT THE BLOODTHIRSTY INTERNATIONAL MARXISTS SHALL REMAIN THE EXCEPTION TO EVERY RULE, THE EXCLUSION TO ALL INCLUSIONS, AND THE SECURITY CLEARANCE PERMANENTLY REVOKED! PATTON WAS RIGHT, MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT, ROY COHN WAS RIGHT, NIXON WAS RIGHT, TRUMP WAS RIGHT, AND THEIR SINS AND FAILURES ARE AS *NOTHING* COMPARED TO YOURS!

    Steppe Nomad (537bd5)

  152. Orwell saw this behavior, both in Spain, and in the soviet union, and that inspired 1984:
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/1937/04/trials.htm

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. Its rather striking except perhaps Malcolm muggeridge and Robert conquest, saw little wrong here,

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. @168. The Rural Naaadam Festival Tour is all you, Red. Book early before the snows and bring matches. Camels are Kool but you might get Lucky.

    http://www.steppenomad.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  155. @159. President Trump only likes heroes who don’t get shot down. Ask him.

    Then there’s Dean; he wasn’t a wormer: RAT-a-tat-tat.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. You mean marmalard, id say trump is more like otter, good grief youre tedious.

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  157. @166. The endless whine of the Colludin’ Cuban; bitter dregs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  158. I guess one might niedermeyer, but Mueller represents the establishment, Apple Facebook banamex (through his firm Deutsche bank, Qatari investors)

    Narciso (f9b4cc)

  159. @168. You’re floundering, Narcissy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. 164: Sorry, no need to hunt on the steppes when we can hunt traitors right here in the good old USA:

    “@realDonaldTrump
    Follow Follow @realDonaldTrump
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    Just watched former Intelligence Official Phillip Mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating wonderful @PARISDENNARD over Brennan’s Security Clearance. Dennard destroyed him but Mudd is in no mental condition to have such a Clearance. Should be REVOKED? @seanhannity”

    Steppe Nomad (ea4038)

  161. RIGGED WITCH-HUNT UPDATE:


    Microsoft announces that it thwarted a Russian military intelligence operation to hack the Senate and conservative think-tanks.

    Good thing Microsoft is on guard, since our Dear Leader is more interested in covering-up Russian attacks than in stopping them…

    Dave (445e97)

  162. More info from Microsoft’s president

    I must say, this is an encouraging development.

    Just as it wasn’t the government, but ordinary Americans rising to the occasion, who saved the Capitol building from the 9/11 terrorists, we have enormous reserves of private sector technical expertise capable of bolstering the nation’s cyber defenses against hostile foreign attack, even if the Commander-in-Chief would prefer to look the other way.

    Dave (445e97)

  163. Microsoft and davie boi all cuddled up

    mg (9e54f8)

  164. #140 — Klink

    A GOP that wins by being “Trump” — as he is now — deserves to lose. I don’t want the alternative, either. But I won’t vote for racism sexism corruption authoritarianism.

    Trump isn’t forever. I prefer a small government party with respect for civil and property rights. The pre-Trump, tea party GOP was headed that direction, and ought to be able to go that way again. But it did change course. Trump had something that lured the people who were supporting that away, and, for the most part, are keeping those core folks happy.

    Those who liked the old tea party and have gone neverTrump can either be cranky, or work at collecting up their lost voters, while not embracing Trump’s disgraceful aspects. I’m not sure what the right course really is, because the attraction to the base may be the disgrace. However old I am, I have enough years left that I don’t want to spend the rest of my life feeling my country is totally screwed. So my question, and feel for the future, is how does the GOP, or whatever that becomes the voice of the right, succeed in shaking off Trump.

    Appalled (96665e)

  165. Like when Sufan omitted facts about interrogations, when drumheller outright lied about curveball, when kirikaou leaked the names of his colleagues, the ones who helped track down ubl.

    Narciso (47c179)

  166. What racism and sexism Appalled? Those are some absurd leftist accusations that you better back up.

    Otherwise you better expect yourself tarred in the near future with the same claims. That’s what the left does after all. Can’t debate so they just smear you with bigotry.

    NJRob (b00189)

  167. NJ Rob —

    Let’s just do this quickly, hm?

    Racism — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

    Appalled (96665e)

  168. NJ Rob — Continued —

    Sexism — https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/

    I am not interested in debating the point, because issues like this are almost never disputed in good faith. Let’s just say I’ve got enough to make the charge, and as much as you don’t want to, you can’t gaslight all these out of existence.

    Appalled (96665e)

  169. So you cite leftist sources where their own biases are stated as fact. Gotcha.

    And you are right. You refuse to discuss this in good faith. But you no longer get to claim such falsehoods without challenge.

    The man would’ve never risen to prominence in NYC with such obvious bigotry. I grew up there. I’m guessing you didn’t.

    NJRob (b00189)

  170. The Daily Telegraph is leftist? Good Golly, man! Churchill is rolling over in his grave.

    As for the use of wikipedia — that’s an impressive list they’ve got there, with citations and stuff. Care to dispute it? Have at it. Well, at least as long as the host is willing to tolerate it, and his fuse seems pretty short.

    Appalled (96665e)

  171. Appalled you can only cite Gateway Pundit and Conservative Treehouse, the only unbiased sites on the internet.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  172. We all know that Whackoffpedia list. Whackoffpedia is straining to label Trump a racist on the basis of that list and all that’s coming out is gas. Not being a suckass liberal politically correct snowflake does not equal being a racist.

    nk (dbc370)

  173. 🦑🦑🦑Cthulhu 🦑🦑🦑

    Six Squids Up!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  174. @176 – and thus we see the problem.

    While NJRob’s views are extreme, even for a Trump supporter, he is symptomatic of the wider problem.

    How can people like him who are so embittered possibly participate constructively in a 51-49 political system?

    Dave (445e97)

  175. Breaking- Cohen cuts plea deal; 4 PM EDT in NYC court.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  176. Dave:

    There will always be a person who votes for Gus Hall, or listens to Michael Savage and hangs on every word. or want the NYT shut down, or believes it’s ok to beat up the guy with the American flag. The problem isn’t generalizing from one guy with extreme views. The problem is the GOP masses eating this stuff up — and devoting themselves to a right of center politics that isn’t this when Trump madness passes.

    Appalled (96665e)

  177. “How can people like him who are so embittered possibly participate constructively in a 51-49 political system?”

    ConDave rates a zero on the self-awareness scale…

    Colonel Haiku (e37049)

  178. You mean like the fmr cia director appalled, Obama was supported by the new party that was the front for acorn which is in itself a shell for sds.

    Narciso (0da37e)

  179. Notice that Trump supporters aren’t running around attacking people like the leftist anti-1sters are, but in Appalled and CONdave’s mind they are equivalent.

    What have you two conserved?

    NJRob (9c5fe0)

  180. Aside from Giuliani’s “truth isn’t truth” idiocy, the former NY mayor was fact-checked on his other comments about the meeting between Trump’s inner circle and Putin’s little Natasha, and he was awarded four Pinnochios.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2)

  181. The one that was let into the country, thanks to a special visa from Loretta lynch, to screen a propaganda film that acted toward their supposed administration goals, did the fact check include that.

    Narciso (78a4a1)

  182. She was let into the US so she could defend her client, but obviously that wasn’t her sole motive for being here, but the mythology that Lynch let her in was also fact-checked. It was State that gave her a visa during the time of the infamous Trump Tower meeting.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2)


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