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8/16/2018

Kellyanne Conway: My Husband Is a Big Jerk. That’s Off the Record, Isn’t It?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:34 am

George Conway married Kellyanne Conway. He’s made up for that lack of judgment by bagging on Trump every chance he gets, on Twitter and elsewhere. Now, the Washington Post has a profile of the couple — and Kellyanne tried to sneak in some criticism of her husband while pretending to be someone else. Problem was, she forgot to make sure she was off the record first:

Me: You told me you found [George’s tweets] disrespectful.

Kellyanne: It is disrespectful, it’s a violation of basic decency, certainly, if not marital vows . . . as “a person familiar with their relationship.”

Me: No, we’re on the record here. You can’t say after the fact “as someone familiar.”

Kellyanne: I told you everything about his tweets was off the record.

Me: No, that’s not true. That never happened.

Kellyanne: Well, people do see it this way. People do see it that way, I don’t say I do, but people see it that way.

LOL. This is the sort of soulless ghoul it takes to defend a man with the low character of Donald Trump. Thanks to the #FAKENEWSBEZOSPOST for the laugh of the day.

P.S. Jonah Goldberg tweets:

Jonah’s “Suicide of the West” is a good read that I’ll review here soon. I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself. Those who defend his character keep proving me right, day in and day out.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

145 Responses to “Kellyanne Conway: My Husband Is a Big Jerk. That’s Off the Record, Isn’t It?”

  1. the sleazy low-class propaganda trash at the washington post are like the snotty teenage girls in that movie about the snotty teenage girls

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. R.I.P. Aretha Franklin

    Queen of Soul; crown jewel.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. oh poor Jonah somebody did a mean tweet on him in douchebag Jack Dorsey’s Twitter sewer

    we need to discuss how this happened and what can be done to prevent this in the future

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Yet podestas fraud and corrupt lobbying gets little note at the post.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  5. it’s just a play-toy of autistic amazon turd-lord jeffy bezos anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vet6AHmq3_s

    76. And no, Tweeter-In-Chief, that was her age, not her IQ.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. Trump supporters have a lot of brain damage from sniffing gasoline when they can’t get meth cause they already used up the EBT cash on beer and Everclear.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Soulless ghoul”?

    She once had her feet on the couch too.

    harkin (ac902e)

  9. RIP Aretha

    One of the voices of the century.

    harkin (ac902e)

  10. I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself.

    “Welcome to the party, pal!”

    :)

    Dave (445e97)

  11. The best

    Aretha was THE best

    Period

    Icy (9c7c60)

  12. Even money that the main perk of Kallyanne’s job is that it annoys her husband.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. I believe that “defending” someone else’s character, and pointing out factual errors in the attacks on that person’s character by third parties are not co-extensive.

    As long as the attacks are fair and accurate — and there’s no question that Donald Trump’s “character” is a target rich environment — he’s no different than any other public figure.

    Buy character assassination through inaccurate or misleading attacks is worth exposing no matter what the character “deficit” of the target might be.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  14. ‘soulless ghoul’

    Alternative fact.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. here’s yet more example of President Trump doing more to level the playong field for African American people than any president in our whole lives since we were born

    On Monday, Carson announced that he was looking to revise the 2015 Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) rule, which sought to combat housing segregation by requiring local governments to perform extensive (and expensive) reviews on how concentrated their neighborhoods were along class and racial lines, and then to develop action plans to create more “balanced and integrated living patterns.” Local governments that failed to fulfill either requirement would be cut off from a number of federal housing grant programs.

    Carson said on Monday that he wants to replace the 2015 AFFH with new rules that focus on increasing the overall supply of housing.

    President Trump i love you for trying to help so much

    my friends back in LA especially appreciate what you’re doing cause the government there has raped them and raped them and raped them to where a lot of them lost hope and moved away

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. oopers i meant to say *playing* field

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Conway and her husband are transparent in their intentions to build for themselves a post-Trump WH media identity in the mold of Mary Matalin and James Carville.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  18. nk — not sure how many meth-heads you really known, but for professional reasons I have encountered quite a few in my life.

    and I can say with a significant amount of confidence that no meth-head ever used up their EBT funds on beer and Everclear BEFORE scoring with their dealer on some meth.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  19. Farewell to the Queen of Soul.

    Oddly, instead of being immediately reminded of one of her own hits, I thought of this obscure (but haunting) song instead:

    George Jackson – Aretha, Sing One For Me

    Dave (445e97)

  20. 18, so is Mr. Conway is willing to be a wh-Asian f-boy in the mold of Jon Gosselin? And Venmo John was supposed to be the atonement for that fool.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  21. Not sure how many people actually go so far as to make a concerted effort to ‘defend’ Trump’s character (happyfeet certainly does NOT). The ‘best’ that most of his apologists seem to manage is to say “He doesn’t have TIME to be presidential,” or “Unlike previous presidents, Trump speaks his mind!” Trump, to his credit (I guess) claims that he could act presidential any time he wanted to, but if he did it would be boring. Ever the performer.

    Lest we forget, in an interview with Hannity during the campaign in 2016, Trump flat-out admitted that he was acting the way he does in order to entertain his supporters, because (he said) that’s the role he has created and this is how they expect him to behave.

    IOW, he’s like Robin Williams. If Robin Williams came on for an appearance on the Tonight Show and DIDN’T act like an Amphetamine-fueled lunatic, you might get bored and change the channel.

    Trump’s greatest fear (one might suspect) is that people will ‘get bored and change the channel’ on HIM.

    Icy (9c7c60)

  22. Sounds as if this guy voted for the pant suit darling. Quite a few inbreds voted for her.

    mg (9e54f8)

  23. character assassination through inaccurate or misleading attacks is worth exposing no matter what the character “deficit” of the target might be.
    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 8/16/2018 @ 8:11 am

    — Too true! Despite what I wrote in my previous post, I spend a significant amount of my time on Twitter DEFENDING Trump from the string of outright lies spouted by high-profile leftists (an endeavor I wouldn’t waste my time with, IF not for the fact that I like his tax cuts, SCOTUS picks, increased border security & deregulation, and want them to continue).

    Icy (9c7c60)

  24. the other thing Mr. Icy is that the evidence to support a case that President Trump has poor character is vanishingly slim

    he’s done so so much good not just for our long-suffering fellow Americans but for people everywhere and he’s done much to repair the legs-splayed diseased hooker image of America that Obama did so much to impress upon the world

    President Trump’s America is brash and robust and embraces the individual

    this is what President Trump so courageously demonstrates (and models) in his willingness to take on individuals and remain indifferent to the intersectional identity groups and subcultures of which they may be a part

    this is what people of good character *should* do in this day and age where fascist mob-like behaviors are encouraged and embraced and cultivated

    i love him he’s one of my best friends and we never even met

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. “Kellyanne: It is disrespectful, it’s a violation of basic decency, certainly, if not marital vows . . . as “a person familiar with their relationship.”

    Me: No, we’re on the record here. You can’t say after the fact “as someone familiar.”

    Kellyanne: I told you everything about his tweets was off the record.

    Me: No, that’s not true. That never happened.”

    ‘a person familiar with their relationship’ is a standard journo-dodge they use when reporting on fine, upstanding people who do patriotic things like revealing classified information or burning a confidential source For The Greater Good Of Destroying Trump, but when it comes to exploiting political wedges to attempt to destroy an already rocky marriage with several children by publicizing every spat in front-page headlines, well, YOU’RE A SOULLESS GHOUL SO IT’S OKAY TO REPORT SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT WAS SAID IN CONFIDENCE.

    The current press corps is unrepentant scum and they have fully deserved all attacks made upon them by the current administration. They are themselves the greatest enemies of the First Amendment, much as the current crop of Catholic bishops are the greatest enemies of the Church, and I will rejoice to see them destroyed.

    “I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself. Those who defend his character keep proving me right, day in and day out.”

    Good thing we have Donald Trump The Man, Donald Trump the President, and Donald Trump the Achiever of Conservative Victories to fall back on, as Donald Trump the TV Character is, in fact, a character, often written by malicious hacks.

    Steppe Nomad (7a4235)

  26. Sounds as if this guy voted for the pant suit darling. Quite a few inbreds voted for her.
    mg (9e54f8) — 8/16/2018 @ 8:54 am

    — Sure hope this wasn’t directed at me (it would be the pinnacle of silliness if it was).

    Icy (9c7c60)

  27. I think Mr. mg was talking about Mr. Conway

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. Good comments, Icy.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  29. Never Trump charter member billy Kristol Will be tied in to the Strozak collusion lie.
    Correct happyfeet. No trumpers sure are the nervous type.

    mg (9e54f8)

  30. Great news!

    The price-tag for Spanky’s idiotic military parade is now up to $92 MILLION.

    That $80M (660%) over the original estimate.

    Just *think* how many fancy fountain pens, dining room sets and shopping junkets his cabinet
    members and their wives could buy with that kind of money!

    #MAGA

    Dave (445e97)

  31. “Oddly, instead of being immediately reminded of one of her own hits, I thought of this obscure (but haunting) song instead:”

    I thought of the one where the English kid in crazy clothes came down the hall to add a few licks.

    https://youtu.be/U4W9xmeMfL0

    harkin (ac902e)

  32. “The ‘best’ that most of his apologists seem to manage is to say “He doesn’t have TIME to be presidential,” or “Unlike previous presidents, Trump speaks his mind!” Trump, to his credit (I guess) claims that he could act presidential any time he wanted to, but if he did it would be boring. Ever the performer.”

    I’ll add another one: “Presidential” is predictable, and predictable is death in an environment as hateful, malicious, and backstabby as the current DC swamp.

    Preventing bureaucrats from falling into the mindset of:

    “I can do whatever I want, I’m indispensable, and anyway we’re all equally corrupt so no one in this plot would sell me out publicly and ruin my chances at parlaying this job into a career in the private sector…”

    …is the first step toward useful reform. Fear is quite the motivator!

    Steppe Nomad (6a511b)

  33. Dave — you have any idea on the price tag for the “Obama phones”?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  34. On Monday, Carson announced that he was looking to revise the 2015 Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) rule, which sought to combat housing segregation by requiring local governments to perform extensive (and expensive) reviews on how concentrated their neighborhoods were along class and racial lines, and then to develop action plans to create more “balanced and integrated living patterns.”

    True dat. I remember when neighborhoods could control who could lived there and keep those who didn’t fit in out.

    SoCal Southerner (98df0d)

  35. I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself.

    I have to admit, this is a tempting stance to take. Particularly, from an internet standpoint, when it turns out that some of the biggest Trump supporters turn out to be the biggest trolls. (Is the word for what I just did “sub-blogging”?)

    But it ignores that some people have reasons, other than bad character, to believe in Trump. Many of those believers are willing to give themselves a do-it-yourself self-lobotomy to more fully support the guy who looks like he is doing all that stuff that they want done. Some other of those supporters are probably decent people who are honorable in their personal lives, are good churchgoers, and hopelessly credulous. And, finally, there is a whole flock of folks who believe that Trump, whatever his character has been until the day before yesterday, has totally reformed, and now is a man of honor (especially as compared to that vile Kenyan who dared be our President.)

    And, finally, the average person does not engage in politics the way we all do. They don’t read Trump’s tweets, they don’t pay much mind to the outrage of the day, they have tuned out a media that is often engaging in hysterics. They support Trump because they aren’t all that aware of his character, and don’t feel like getting educated about it.

    Finally, in my experience, there are some internet people and some real life people who are utterly decent in their personal life, and generous in their internet presence, who are wedded to the idea of Trump as a good guy. I might think they are mistaken, and they will get a sad education before these 4 years are done, but the evidence of my eyes is that their character is just fine and they are right with their Lord.

    That’s probably just the best way to take things. One of Trump’s evil superpowers is that he brings out the idea that the folks on the other side are by definition of low character.

    Appalled (96665e)

  36. Dave — you have any idea on the price tag for the “Obama phones”?

    LOL

    Did you put “Obama phones” in scare quotes because you know it’s a lie?

    The “Lifeline” phone program you’re referring to was started by President Reagan, and extended to cell phones by Dubya.

    Also, the program is not supported out of taxes paid to the government, but by fees collected by the phone companies.

    Dave (445e97)

  37. This is like Civil War I where the government deputizes super-villains to hunt down Team Cap and the Green Goblin ambushes and badly wounds Spider-Man and is about to kill him but all of sudden somebody blows the Green Goblin’s head clean off and it turns out it’s the Punisher who then picks up Spider-Man like a baby and takes him to the Avengers building where he yells “Medic!” and all the Avengers are there including Captain America and they’re saying “Thank you for saving Spider-Man, Mr. Punisher” and then two other super-villains show up and say they want to join Team Cap and the Punisher just shoots them down in cold blood without saying a word or giving them a chance because they’re bad guys and that’s what the Punisher does he kills bad guys and Captain America punches out the Punisher and throws him out and the Punisher does not even fight back because Captain America is a good guy.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Isn’t it?

    nk (dbc370)

  39. (T)he other thing Mr. Icy is that the evidence to support a case that President Trump has poor character is vanishingly slim

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (98df0d)

  40. spoilers, geez

    Dave (445e97)

  41. nk —

    You have a gift for the run on sentence. In Purgatory, you will be required to diagram that thing.

    Appalled (96665e)

  42. 37 — LOL. Consider yourself baited and hooked.

    The meme that it was all a “lie” is just an after-the-fact rationalization for a program that’s ridiculous.

    1. The program was originally created so that those in the lower socio-economic brackets could have land-line telephone access into their house, i.e., so they would have the ability to communicate with the outside world like everyone else. In that regard it was no different than the TVA, and the efforts by the federal government to insure electrical power to all of rural America.

    2. Companies realized late in W’s administration second term that the level of the subsidy — combined with the decline in the cost of cell phones — meant that cell phones could be provided under the program SO LONG AS NO ONE EVER CHANGED THE RULES to reflect the actual intention of the program when it was created. The first cell phones under the program began to be distributed in mid-2008. But the MASSIVE expansion of the program came during the 8 years of the Obama Admin. when it became known that you could get a cell phone for free under the program. what started with one company in Tennessee in mid-2008, is now available from 250 companies, in 49 states, DC, and Puerto Rico. There are now 3.6 million customers, and what started out as 70 minutes free service a month, is now in many places unlimited service and unlimited text messaging.

    3. When the telecommunication companies collect the Universal Service Fee from me every month which funds the program, and does so based on authority given to them by the FCC, do I have any power to not pay that fee? Does the fact that it is taken from me in order to fund a government authorized program change simply because it does not first go to the US Treasury before being used to subsidize the cost of providing cell phones to the poor? Am I any less “compelled” to part with my money than if it was a line on my tax return?

    4. At some point during Obama’s two terms when the volume of cell phone distribution exploded, with the cell companies getting $9.25 per subscriber, do you think it would have been appropriate for someone to take a step back and say “was the intent of this program consistent with the practice that has developed which is simply providing anyone who asks a personal convenience item — which is really all that a cell phone is. There is no aspect of life that dictates the necessity that all citizens be able to carry a communication device on their person at all hours of the day and night.

    Ooops — did I say “citizen”??? How silly of me — you need not be a citizen or even legally in this country in order to receive a free Obamaphone.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  43. “If Robin Williams came on for an appearance on the Tonight Show and DIDN’T act like an Amphetamine-fueled lunatic, you might get bored and change the channel.“

    Zombie Apocalypse! That would be on PPV, icy.

    Colonel Haiku (9298f8)

  44. Dat would have to be some strong gak!

    Colonel Haiku (9298f8)

  45. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 8/16/2018 @ 10:15 am

    I guess I missed the subtle argument buried in there somewhere that justifies blowing $100M of taxpayer money on a parade to whose sole purpose is to gratify Donald Trump’s ego.

    Dave (445e97)

  46. And the most recent numbers I could find estimate the cost of the Obamaphone program at nearly $4 billion — and that was 2015.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  47. Or you could consider the words of an FCC administrator in the last 6 months of the Obama Administration when a compromise agreement on providing subsidized internet access as an alternative to a cell phone, because the compromise included a crackdown on all the fraudulent methods by which the Obamaphone program was abused during his 8 years in office:

    Wheeler acknowledged past abuse of the Lifeline program, and insisted that both administrative costs and opportunities for fraud would be lowered thanks to a new National Eligibility Verifier.

    “This brings fiscal integrity to a program that has never had a budget,” Wheeler said.

    Commissioner Mignon Clyburn said giving welfare recipients the chance to choose between either a subsidy for phone service or Internet access will help people who “are struggling to make ends meet.”

    “They should be able to take advantage of a reform program that could be the bridge for them to increase their opportunities,” she said.

    The FCC delayed the meeting for four hours, which Clyburn said was due to last-minute attempts by her office to find a compromise with the two Republican commissioners, who were skeptical about expanding Lifeline and proposed changes to cap the program’s spending. Clyburn opposed a cap but said she negotiated until the last minute before deciding not to support a “budget mechanism” suggested by Republicans that would have placed limits on Lifeline’s spending.

    Pai said that as of Thursday morning Clyburn was committed to a $1.75 billion budget cap for the program aimed at ending wasteful enhanced subsidies, and the commission was ready for “a bipartisan path to a 5-0 vote on Lifeline.”

    The Republican commissioners dissented, however, because Commissioner Ajit Pai said that Wheeler pressured Clyburn to back out of her agreement.

    “This was a strong bipartisan agreement that would have delivered broadband Internet to millions of low-income Americans,” he said. “The commission’s failure to clean up waste, fraud and abuse places the entire program in jeopardy.”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  48. Oh are we pretending to be fiscally conservative again now?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  49. Hey Patterico: reading over Goldberg’s tweet, I was reminded of some of the odd folks who post awful insulting creepy nonsense here. But they are just joking, I guess.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  50. Maybe they should have extended to the seventh country

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/15/isis-member-arrested-california

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. As the editor link above noticed that 300 spartacus routine seems silly. So pretending that manafort want the middlemen for persons stream, furthermore denying that he hadn’t taken the stand

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. No joke – I lmao reading all these billy kristol wannabes

    mg (9e54f8)

  53. As the editor link above noticed that 300 spartacus routine seems silly. So pretending that manafort want the middlemen for persons stream, furthermore denying that he hadn’t taken the stand.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. “I guess I missed the subtle argument buried in there somewhere that justifies blowing $100M of taxpayer money on a parade to whose sole purpose is to gratify Donald Trump’s ego.”

    Yes, Donald Trump is the *sole* person in the country who might like a military parade, and you’re totally not flippantly burning your bridges with anyone else in the country who might like to see one again. Public events are nothing but ego-boosters for the President and absolutely nothing else. You are totally a serious person.

    Steppe Nomad (fd0c9c)

  55. “Oh are we pretending to be fiscally conservative again now?”

    If your name isn’t Ron Paul, I don’t want to hear it from you. There Are No Fiscal Conservatives In Washington, there is only money for your agenda and none for your opponents.

    Steppe Nomad (41eb88)

  56. Nothing is ever off the record, not for you and not for interviewers: insist on recording every word – start to finish. You make the recording and you keep it. No recording, no interview.

    It’s no guarantee you’ll be treated fairly, but it does make sure they know you have the evidence to expose misrepresentations.

    ropelight (d009d1)

  57. “Nothing is ever off the record, not for you and not for interviewers: insist on recording every word – start to finish. You make the recording and you keep it. No recording, no interview.

    It’s no guarantee you’ll be treated fairly, but it does make sure they know you have the evidence to expose misrepresentations.”

    Doesn’t work. Reporters are experts at microaggressing their way into confidences and stealing a mile when given an inch, and they certainly maintain their own dirty dossiers to hold over people who deny them access. Also experts at pretending to agree to things and going WELL YOUR EXACT WORDS WERE later on. And of course Jim Acosta loves his LOADED QUESTION AMBUSH tactic.

    Scum, scum, scum, scum. Throw them all out and trickle in known friendlies even if they are fringe, if you can’t punish them, isolate them to their own little MSNBC echo chambers, and punish them with RICO when they collectively editorialize. There is a right to a free press, but there is no such thing as a nonpartisan press.

    Steppe Nomad (afc71c)

  58. “I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself. Those who defend his character keep proving me right, day in and day out.”

    Come now, tell us how you really feel!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlVgWA4XRE

    Steppe Nomad (a99d12)

  59. 2 sides of the same coin: defend vs attack

    I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who attack Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you attack his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself. Those who attack his character keep proving me right, day in and day out.

    ropelight (d009d1)

  60. it’s not a fruitful exercise to attack President Trump’s character because everyone likes him so much and appreciates the hard work he’s doing to put America back on track

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. ropelight:

    In your game of linguistics, you do work around to an interesting point. A lot of folks attack Trump’s character, in lieu of making any other argument. The Democrats really intend to argue — don’t do x because TRUMP for the next 50 years, kind of like they did with Herbert Hoover. It’s lazy, and unfair to the policy discussion. But be honest, though — Trump’s colorful past does open up a lot of ways to attack his presidency, that you wouldn’t have if character still mattered.

    Appalled (96665e)

  62. 2 sides of the same coin: defend vs attack

    Some people defend child pornography, and others attack it.

    Just two sides of the same coin, defend vs attack, right?

    What is being attacked and what is being defended is of no moral consequence, right?

    Dave (445e97)

  63. What character does Trump have to attack? He’s just meatbag of whims and appetites who had the good fortune to have a daddy who left him a fortune. There is no real there there. In that sense, he is like Obama who was a blank slate people could draw whatever they wanted on. Trump is a pile of mud that people can shape into anything they want.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. I believe that “defending” someone else’s character, and pointing out factual errors in the attacks on that person’s character by third parties are not co-extensive.

    I agree. That’s why I worded my post the way I did. I have no problem with people who do the latter. I find people who do the former to be dupes and fools at best. And such people are generally of low character. I can think of no exceptions.

    If someone made a false claim about Hillary Clinton that went to her honesty, I could debunk that claim. I would not be “defending Hillary’s honesty.” And anyone who did actually defend her honesty would be a dupe and a fool at best.

    Patterico (98c6ca)

  65. What character does Trump have to attack? He’s just meatbag of whims and appetites who had the good fortune to have a daddy who left him a fortune. There is no real there there.

    I agree, but the absence of good character is the definition of bad character, just as St. Augustine said that evil is the absence of good.

    Patterico (98c6ca)

  66. 65 — and I didn’t express any problem with the point you made in your post.

    I have always found Conway to be the kind of person who rightfully earns a lot of “eyerolls” when you listen to her — she’s a “flack” who will spin black into white if you ask her.

    But every candidate for the last 50 years has had someone like that on the payroll.

    I find that I’m much better informed by ignoring someone like her, and listening to what is said by Pompeo, Maddis, Bolton, etc.

    For all Trump’s faults, I give him credit for having convinced some very serious and talented people to do policy work in his name. I like most of what I see in that regard.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  67. Off-topic – possible cause of kidney trouble

    Near-drowning victims at higher risk of kidney injury

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  68. People were getting marketing calls for (they didn’t say but it was Lifeline) when it was extended to cellphones. A cellphone is not fixed in place. There';s abig difference between a cellphone and a landline.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  69. 37. Dave (445e97) — 8/16/2018 @ 9:52 am

    Did you put “Obama phones” in scare quotes because you know it’s a lie?

    The “Lifeline” phone program you’re referring to was started by President Reagan, and extended to cell phones by Dubya.

    I think it was Democrats in Cleveland who started calling them “Obama phones”

    Also, the program is not supported out of taxes paid to the government, but by fees collected by the phone companies

    They cut out the government as a middleman but that’s really a tax, because it is required by law to be charged to opeople who don’t benefit from the service.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  70. 67. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 8/16/2018 @ 12:41 pm

    For all Trump’s faults, I give him credit for having convinced some very serious and talented people to do policy work in his name.

    he was already president (or president-elect) when that happened.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  71. I think one ting that hapepned, was that it cost the fovernment alot less to pay for acellphone than to pay for installation of landline. Installation charges (even when all th wires were alreday there) went way up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  72. “What character does Trump have to attack? He’s just meatbag of whims and appetites who had the good fortune to have a daddy who left him a fortune. There is no real there there. In that sense, he is like Obama who was a blank slate people could draw whatever they wanted on. Trump is a pile of mud that people can shape into anything they want.”

    Not really, no. Obama was so malleable you could see him switch his accent and mannerisms from ‘white’ to ‘black’ in front of an audience extremely fluidly (and also disconcertingly.) May be just a mulatto thing but the kind of people who employ front men seem to LOVE it and seek it out about as much as they seek out pedos for priests.

    It’s really Trump’s *lack* of malleability that causes certain people to hate him so much. He can meander on a topic with the best of the politicians but all his actions indicate that he really does consider it terrible that, say, the US foots the bill for every mutual defense pact the world over. And he definitely never got rid of his regional accent.

    And trust me, the people mad at Trump for being ‘malleable’ while themselves being Democrats who were Communist Russia’s biggest allies (when they were unabashedly evil, powerful and rich with Other People’s Money) turning into nostalgic McCarthylite poseurs when Russia is weak, furtively evil, and poor have zero legs to stand on and absolutely deserve to get lied to in the furtherance of an America First agenda. War is killing when you can get away with it, deception when you can’t.

    Very much influenced by his formative years as a landlord and, more crucially, a bill collector post military school. And as we all know, everybody loves a landlord! Especially if the end result of his work is tenants you can be neighborly with!

    ‘meatbag of whims and appetites’ lol go back to Edgy Atheist College

    Steppe Nomad (a99d12)

  73. A person always could already have had a (landline) telephone when it went into the Lifeline program. It woudl reduce the monthly minimum harge to $1 I think. Nothing, of course, stopped aperson from having access to anotehr phone.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  74. “mulatto”

    Yikes

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  75. At least kelly ann is not in the pickle cuomo is in with right saying he is anti american traitor and left calling him a pandering phony! hey cuomo putting on the black red star beret, che guevera tee shirt and sticking a bernie sticker on your limo doesn’t cut it. cynthia nixon. you got caught leaning the wrong way when alexandra ocasio-cortez won!

    wendell (fa14d9)

  76. Quite a path of realization for a man that once uttered “Vote for Cuomo not the Homo” (Dad Mario ran and lost to Ed Koch for NYC mayor in 1977).

    urbanleftbehind (ed9e43)

  77. “I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who defend Donald Trump’s character, and have come to conclude that if you defend his character, you are almost certainly a person of low character yourself. Those who defend his character keep proving me right, day in and day out.”

    Hah. My observation is you are contemptuous of anyone who simply ignores Trump’s character. In fact ignoring his bad character = defending his bad character, at least in your mind. My level of outrage doesn’t happen to match yours? That makes me a mindless Trump supporter that will excuse anything.

    As to nasty tweets received by Jonah Goldberg…kinda comes with the territory, no? I mean, I see everyone in the public eye complaining about exactly the same thing, left right center. Trolls will troll, and there are unhinged people of every political stripe. I recall posting to a car blog that I didn’t think Tesla was going to be able to achieve their goals, and receiving a response that basically suggested I needed to be “eliminated…permanently” because my negativity was preventing the great and glorious future from arriving. And who the heck am I? A guy making a reasonable comment to an article.

    And no, I’m not defending it, I’m just not surprised by it, and doubt very much this is exclusive to Trump supporters.

    George Orwell's Ghost (ba96d1)

  78. Jonah needs the therapy pups but the Parkland kids are still doing sessions and i don’t know what to do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. Me: No, we’re on the record here. You can’t say after the fact “as someone familiar.”

    Kellyanne: I told you everything about his tweets was off the record.

    Me: No, that’s not true. That never happened.

    Kellyanne: Well, people do see it this way. People do see it that way, I don’t say I do, but people see it that way
    .

    This is just blatant dishonesty. My questions is, why would she invite a Washington Post writer into her home if she believes the MSM to be purveyors of FAKENEWS? It doesn’t make sense unless she’s just another media whore looking to plug herself – as she takes down her husband.

    It’s a dangerous stunt to try to publicly manipulate sentiments towards one’s spouse in such an egregious manner. Especially when her own dishonest hypocrisy is right there in black and white. Either she’s a dreadful person, or they are both in on a scam to up their profiles and cred with select individuals. Which would then make both of them dreadful people.

    Dana (023079)

  80. Brazil’s leading presidential candidate, the right-wing Jair Bolsonaro, wants to follow in the footsteps of President Donald Trump and take his country out of the Paris climate agreement.

    praise him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. That ‘LOL’ is much more apt coming after Shipwrecked schooled him on the O-phones.

    harkin (ac902e)

  82. I’m increasingly contemptuous of people who attack Donald Trump’s character,

    I’d be impressed that anyone could hit so small a target.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  83. 75: Davethulu can sit in the ocean contemplating humanity’s destruction for eons but use a completely innocuous word common to his time and it’s YIKES!!! MODS???

    Steppe Nomad (d03aaa)

  84. Ms. Conway must’ve had really interesting marital vows with her husband if her husband “broke” them by criticizing Trump.

    Paul Montagu (b566df)

  85. That ‘LOL’ is much more apt coming after Shipwrecked schooled him on the O-phones.

    All I can discern from his word-salad is “Wasteful programs are bad, so Trump’s new waste of money is good,” or maybe “Look! A squirrel!”

    Since Obama had little to do with the Lifeline phone program that you and others falsely label “Obama phones”, it’s a pretty p*ss-poor argument, even by the low standards of whataboutism.

    Regardless, there’s no hint why a telephone program started by Ronald Reagan in 1985 means it’s a good idea to flush $100M of taxpayer money down the toilet so Trump can one-up the president of France.

    Dave (445e97)

  86. interesting though that when push came to shove Mr. Conway rolled up a newspaper and smacked rabid ugly dog omarosa on her wet wet nose

    bad dog!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. Fahrenheit 404

    “Google applies yet another method of manipulating public opinion. Google has introduced a practice nicknamed “expulsion to the 101st kilometer,” referring the Soviets forcibly evicting dissenting citizens 100 kilometers or more from Moscow. That was the twentieth century. Now, in the 21st century, Google decided to manipulate the results of internet searches in an analogous way. As a result of these manipulations, Google shows links to leftist political sites at the top of the results page, and links to conservative sites are artificially moved beyond the first hundred links. Google knows that people, as a rule, scan just the first ten to twenty links. Consequently, Google creates an impression that the whole world is full of leftist ideas only. Professor Robert Epstein believes that the Google algorithm gifted Hillary Clinton in 2016 with at least 2 million votes.”

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/fahrenheit_404.html

    harkin (ac902e)

  88. i hate talking to google-trash at work they’re SO stepford wifey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. 31-Holy cow, 92 million?! That’s almost as much as Obama spent on his 2013 Africa vacation!

    Still, the parade would be good for the military PR and recruitment issues. It’s not like the millions they spend on NFL events are too effective anymore, what with the anthem protests and all…

    lee (e2ff85)

  90. if there’s a mattis military parade i hope the trannies get their own float for so people can really see them shine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. “That’s probably just the best way to take things. One of Trump’s evil superpowers is that he brings out the idea that the folks on the other side are by definition of low character.”

    And they go to great lengths to prove that nearly every single day.

    Colonel Haiku (9298f8)

  92. speaking of poor eunuch Jonah

    this is epic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  93. The la times, is smart enough not to go full spartacus.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  94. Omarosa. The show trial for Paul Manafort. These are the things CNN chipmunks chattered about endlessly the last few days. But CNN has no news judgment because it is run by a moron with a Harvard degree and a Napoleon Complex.

    plus aretha franklin died like prince and desi arnaz and brittany murphy but not jared padalecki he’s still with us

    thank g-d

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. And to think all the Republicans had to do to stop Trump’s rise was run their platform on his extremely popular national populist issues using a credible leader with no history of backstabbing their constituents.

    Unfortunately that’s not what their donors were paying for, so they ended up with the hostile takeover and all the nasty business that implied. Too bad for not doing their due diligence!

    You can bet that a large number of Democrats will be opportunistically echoing Donald Trump’s populist talking points come November, and a too-large fraction of the Republicans are too monetarily tied to the old system and its dead reflexive policies to get out in front of them and attack the Democrats on something other than culture war issues. I expect Trump will find a way to drag their ingrate rear ends across the finish line somehow, but at this point it better come with demands for the national committees, lobbyists, and money men to start proactively dropping Flake-tier representatives if they don’t want partisans to come after their lobbyists directly.

    Some people need to be taught to win harder than others, especially those libertarians whose position on ‘free speech’ is that “Stalinism is OK if and only if Stalin registers the soviet union as an LLC.”

    The grifting WILL stop, one way or another.

    Steppe Nomad (b4bdd8)

  96. Some will lipsynch (is that a thing anymore) but the dems founders are just as tied to the orchestrated trade framework, it’s not free trade.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  97. Yikes

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 8/16/2018 @ 1:26 pm

    Words have meanings. Not in your 1984 Newspeak reality, but in the English language.

    NJRob (b00189)

  98. this idea that words have meanings is so linoleum

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  99. Words had meaning on cassette.

    lee (e2ff85)

  100. “Some will lipsynch (is that a thing anymore) but the dems founders are just as tied to the orchestrated trade framework, it’s not free trade.”

    Trade will be ‘orchestrated’ as long as nations have interests, independence, borders, and guns. It was orchestrated to China’s benefit during the 90s and 2000s, all we’re seeing right now is Trump doing the Mother of All Orchestral Corrections.

    Democrats are mostly The Party of Wall Street given how many of their stalwarts are government-job holding urbanites fully vested in whatever 401ks depend on their constant deposits. The fun to be had is in seeing how much their actual remaining working class adherents (actual voters) stick around to let the neoliberal Hillary wing talk about how great letting Woke Technocrats rule them is for The Cause.

    Strongly encourage the DSA/Tom Steyer rift wherever you sense it!

    Steppe Nomad (5d32e7)

  101. Now imagine George W Bush EVER having the stones to message like this during a time when it would have been much, MUCH more justified:

    “Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    1h1 hour ago

    How can “Senator” Richard Blumenthal, who went around for twenty years as a Connecticut politician bragging that he was a great Marine war hero in Vietnam (then got caught and sobbingly admitted he was neither a Marine nor ever in Vietnam), pass judgement on anyone? Loser!”

    “Donald J. Trump

    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    3h3 hours ago
    More
    Turkey has taken advantage of the United States for many years. They are now holding our wonderful Christian Pastor, who I must now ask to represent our Country as a great patriot hostage. We will pay nothing for the release of an innocent man, but we are cutting back on Turkey!”

    Heck, imagine if *Mitt Romney* had had the stones to say something this patriotic and this cutting when it actually counted, during the election.

    None of us truly deserve Trump (well, the NeverTrumpers absolutely do!)

    Steppe Nomad (846bdb)

  102. george w. bush specialized in getting our own tatters killed and maimed for absolutely no strategic advantage

    he was amazing at this, and he did it at the highest possible price point

    we shall never see his like again

    thank you President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  103. Dont be a chump, pikachu, there were strategic reasons for engagements in both theatres of operation.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  104. yes yes the dividends keep flowing

    it’s like ibm in the effing 60’s

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. yes yes Mr. Rob

    but this would’ve been a bit more al dente before ultra-racist kkk nyt asian lady Sarah Jeong became America’s new favorite hawt asian thang

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. But she won (was a runoff required)? She’s got one hand behind the back firing back because she’s a Big Ten Michelle Rhee.

    urbanleftbehind (ed9e43)

  107. That’s just drawing the short straw, ulb, the motor city is still capable of the governance that turned it into an economic crater.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  108. She was elected in 2017, after serving 10 years earlier.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  109. And she was previously a police Sgt, well that just inspires confidence in law enforcement and local politics

    Narciso (d1f714)

  110. 85 Dave we should obviously shut down the National Parks and monuments then right?

    “According to the NPS, the nearly $3 billion appropriated for the NPS budget falls short of what’s needed. In May 2015 the park service said it had delayed $11.5 billion in necessary maintenance in 2014 due to budget shortfall. Although national parks charge fees, these fees are not nearly enough to fund the national park system, which is why the NPS depends so heavily on Congress’ budget appropriations.”

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  111. Mr. Zinke has a bipartisan plan to get the parks up to speed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  112. A parade couldn’t be any more ineffective than the current marketing program;

    “NEW YORK: An ongoing internal review of the US Army’s marketing and advertising budget appears to question the effectiveness of almost $1bn spending on marketing programs.

    According to a summary of the audit’s findings obtained by Adweek and dating from October last year, the Army Marketing and Research Group (AMRG) only reached one of its six established performance goals in fiscal year 2016.

    “In addition, our analysis showed that only 3 of the 23 (about 13%) marketing programs generated a positive impact during the year,” the document said. Twenty different programs costing $36.8m “didn’t demonstrate a positive return”.

    The document further described the AMRG spending some $930m between 2013 and 2016 “on marketing efforts that potentially didn’t provide best value to support Army recruiting” and observed that the body planned on spending another $220m between 2018 and 2023 “for the same ineffective marketing programs”.”

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  113. 112 hopefully it involves open season for loggers. Not only would it thin the forest and get rid of dead trees but a great opportunity to stick it to those damn Canadians.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  114. yeah but none of their ads feature the hawt tranny military goodness Mr. Ogden

    they have chicks with penises!

    they have dudes with boobs!

    the US military should be tearing it up right now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. Blue Angels and others have been doing air shows for decades with minimal complaints, why is a parade an issue? Fleet week?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  116. It’s supposed to happen in november,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  117. yes yes Mr. Zinke understands forest management

    unfortunately burning forests are politically advantageous to the California Agenda

    forest fires! mmm mmm i can’t get enuff of em! are u satisfied?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. speaking of airshows the jets have been roaring all over today

    i love going downtown for airshow practice but i done it already

    i think next year my baby cousins might come for it

    it really is surreal

    watching and hearing them planes play hide and seek among the downtown

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. Just LOL at imagining that California, ground zero for the craziest of the most frivolous lawsuits, wouldn’t try to burn down the state for Fedgov insurance money if they could get away with it.

    Steppe Nomad (7cf2fa)

  120. God doesn’t use perfect people for his will and plan. On that, I know what Trump is and I know there is also a great amount of distortion about him. He is however doing some of the things I think need to be done. Hillary, whose character was no better and possibly worse, would not be doing any of the things that desperately need doing. Knowing what he is, I will only praise the good, note the short comings and try hard not to focus so excruciatingly on those shortcomings while he continues to do what needs doing.

    Rich (de9149)

  121. Trump is Trump quite apart from our petty mortal likes and dislikes

    and he’s magnificent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. I get it’s peer pressure, even though Mr. Conway is probably making 10 times what his wife is, he gets pressure to conform, what does the post care, would they have badgered the slithering serpent over any difference of opinion natal on had.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  123. speaking of chicks what are right on it

    it’s been awhile since we had a fresh pic of fbi eunuch Robert Mueller’s over-heated cougar wife Ann


    this last pic we have
    she looks freshly satisfied

    but that was many tinder adventures ago

    i wonder what she looks like now

    call me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  124. 124 respecting our Military, Police, and first responders is amoral to many Trump Critics.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  125. 120 Federal education money, food stamps, and other benefits for illegals, aren’t they already doing it?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  126. Spanky’s $100M parade boondoggle has been … canceled!

    Nice to see there are still a few grown-ups in charge at the Pentagon, even if 1600 Pennsylvania Ave has been turned into Romper Room.

    Dave (445e97)

  127. Postponed, not canceled. You can’t seem to help but lie even when your link immediately confirms it.

    In any case, I’m betting the recent escalation in likely local antifa violence (their favorite targets are the police and military, after all) was the proximate cause for the postponement, that’s perfectly fine, our troops probably need some refresher training on how to handle urban guerillas anyway.

    Steppe Nomad (50c50c)

  128. Here is the problem anti-trumpers. People who now have jobs thanks to trumps election don’t care if he puts anti-trumpers in a gas chamber and an oven let alone what he says as long as they have jobs dropping the zyklon B down the showeres anti -trumpers are taking. republican party is now 90% pro trump and populist. neo-con artists. wealthy internationalist free trade donor class scum ayn randist libertarian conservative vermin have no future in populist republican party as more and more republican candidates are running as more trumping then trump! don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

    wendell (2fd71a)

  129. Of course juche Dave, doesn’t get it’s mean to commemorate the 100th anniversary Of the armistice.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  130. “they ended up with the hostile takeover and all the nasty business that implied. Too bad for not doing their due diligence!” “The grifting WILL stop, one way or another.”
    Steppe Nomad (b4bdd8) — 8/16/2018 @ 6:38 pm

    You are very much on to the scent here.

    Nevertrumpers – listen up. The people, in general, feel they are being manipulated and lied to. All the time. by everyone. They feel that way because…they are.

    Along comes Trump. Sure trump lies…but in a way people understand. Braggado. pompous. used car salesman. They GET him. The understand him. he is the kind of person they have known before. A world class bullshitter. And he, in turn, gets them.

    On of the few true things said in the last campaign was Carly Fiorina, who said, and I’m phrasing “Problems don’t get solved in Washington because both sides don’t want them to get solved.” Both sides were frequently just fine with the status quo, because it gave them issues to endlessly play fight for and about. They would snip and argue and not much would change. Obama was a world class liar, and employed an endless legion of world class liars. The media lied about Obama, and for Obama, at every opportunity. In that context Trump’s “lies” seem like a genuine breath of fresh air. he seems less dishonest because he is one person, feeding me a line, rather than an entire establishment. or does anyone think the media is lying on behalf of Trump?

    Trump was hired to come in a smash the system, the system that was being used to endlessly manipulate and lie to the voters. Because of that there is a strange sort of honesty about the fights we have now. The sides show their true colors. They have trouble getting their story straight.

    And the press, Democrats, and comfortable republicans hate Trump for this. HATE him. he’s wrecked everything. there is no more pretending.

    So yes, Trump, for all his faults, has finally brought a strange sort of honesty to the proceedings. And a lot of people appreciate that gift.

    George Orwell's Ghost (ba96d1)

  131. “Jonah’s “Suicide of the West” is a good read that I’ll review here soon.”

    Be sure to tell us how it compares to Pat Buchanan’s “Death of the West” or James Burnham’s “Suicide of the West”, Goldberg is nothing if not opportunistically plagiristic.

    Steppe Nomad (cd73ff)

  132. their favorite targets are the police and military

    Their favorite targets are nazis.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  133. Postponed, not canceled. You can’t seem to help but lie even when your link immediately confirms it.

    How dare you call our Dear Leader, President Trump, a liar, you commie antifa fake-news deep-state RINO cuck!

    “When asked to give us a price for holding a great celebratory military parade, they wanted a number so ridiculously high that I cancelled[sic] it.” – Donald J. Trump

    Dave (445e97)

  134. this is more good judgment from President Trump

    seems like every day brings more good decisions and more beautiful policies

    they really start to add up after awhile!

    i think there’s a risk that we come to take this for granted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. Looks like Dave is posting on both of his accounts:

    @134

    WE GOT OURSELVES A COMMIE APOLOGIST OVER HERE, BOYS! Anyone with brains and eyesight to see who Antifa went after know perfectly well that

    1. They call all cops and soldiers ‘Nazis’
    2. They call all people showing up for any remotely right-wing speaker ‘Nazis’
    3. They occasionally get a few actual Nazis to show up, but they generally attack any police and journalists as a matter of course.

    @135

    Yes, “postponed till next year” as both announcements stated totally means “cancelled for all time”. Words only mean what YOU think they mean even when they specifically mean something else.

    Steppe Nomad (d436cb)

  136. This is why Dave defends antifa, he wants to keep his juror-harassing privilege alive (BUT WHAT IF THE JURORS ARE NAZIS THO)

    “Jake Gibson

    Verified account

    @JakeBGibson
    20m20 minutes ago
    More
    *** BREAKING ***
    Judge Ellis just revealed in open court that he has been threatened over the Manafort case and refused to reveal the names of jurors.”

    Steppe Nomad (f4f4ab)

  137. He’s using the English/Hungarian phrasebook.

    Narciso (6b1e4f)

  138. I think it’s more of an English/Cuomo phrasebook:

    “Jon Campbell

    Verified account

    @JonCampbellGAN
    Follow Follow @JonCampbellGAN
    More
    Andrew Cuomo on a conference call just now:

    “The expression I used the other day was inartful, so I want to be very clear: Of course America is great and of course America has always been great.””

    Steppe Nomad (89aaaf)

  139. Andrew Cuomo actually said “America was never that great” but was persistently quoted as if he had said “America was never great”

    His argument was: Well, we didn’t have “marriage equality” until just a few years ago.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  140. 128. Dave (445e97) — 8/17/2018 @ 12:02 am

    Spanky’s $100M parade boondoggle has been … canceled!

    Donald trump blames local Washington D.C. Democrats, (municipal politcisns) and says that, instead, he’s going to attend the parade in Paris on November, 11, 2018.

    Also, he’ll attend some kind of parade at Andrews Air Force Base on a different date.

    http://www.newser.com/story/263463/trump-on-axed-parade-now-we-can-buy-more-jet-fighters.html

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  141. Parade rest: Trump cancels his own show. Vows to flag wave in Paris instead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. If the European counterpart to Antifa shows up to crap on the Armistice parade, will they wear spiked helmets (Which had been phased out sometime in early 1916, btw)?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)


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