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7/27/2018

Cohen: Trump Knew About Trump Tower Meeting in Advance

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:53 am



Well, of course he did:

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said.

Cohen’s claim would contradict repeated denials by Trump, Donald Trump Jr., their lawyers and other administration officials who have said that the President knew nothing about the Trump Tower meeting until he was approached about it by The New York Times in July 2017.
Cohen alleges that he was present, along with several others, when Trump was informed of the Russians’ offer by Trump Jr. By Cohen’s account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources.

Cohen is hardly Mr. Credibility, and the “sources” relied upon say he doesn’t have evidence. And to the most diehard Trump supporters, this doesn’t move the needle, because they don’t think there’s anything wrong with a presidential candidate seeking dirt on his opponent from the Kremlin. (Three years ago, the bolded passage I just wrote would have been unthinkable, but that’s our politics these days. It’s Trump’s world; we’re just living in it.)

So, just like Avenatti’s claim that Trump paid off way more women than previously suspected — or like literally any other evidence you can think of — this news seems unlikely to change minds. Which raises the question that I now pose to avid Trump supporters: what would change your minds about this guy? What, if proved with solid evidence, would make you say: Hmmm. This seems to be a bad guy who doesn’t deserve my support?

Just curious.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

168 Responses to “Cohen: Trump Knew About Trump Tower Meeting in Advance”

  1. It’s the basis for Muellers investigation, which you believe is legitimate, it’s so well know Putin had to repeat the charges two years later.

    Narciso (e21a34)

  2. Failure. Rolling over. Quitting.

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  3. Whomever hacked the DNC stuff performed exponentially more journalism than our home-grown CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda lick-licks did that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. His name was Seth Rich.

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  5. No one knows because the bureau didn’t examine the server, could have been Scott Lang for all we know.

    Narciso (e21a34)

  6. Well, the question posed does not apply to me, as I am not a Trump supporter now and didn’t vote for him in 2016, but I’ll say nevertheless that I don’t see the big deal here. Some rando offers a meeting where maybe they are going to give your campaign dirt on the other side, I don’t see an issue in listening. Maybe it turns out to be nothing (which is what actually occurred). Maybe it turns out to be something, at which time you have a decision about what to do with it. But accepting the meeting in the first place? Pffft.

    Al S (23bc66)

  7. Some rando offers a meeting where maybe they are going to give your campaign dirt on the other side, I don’t see an issue in listening.

    yes yes Mr. S you are correct

    And it’s so important to remember the context.

    Failmerica’s CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda lick-lick media had no intention whatsoever of investigating Hillary, whereas they actually started whole new divisions exclusively focused on digging up dirt on Mr. Trump.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. Patterico:

    Which raises the question that I now pose to avid Trump supporters: what would change your minds about this guy? What, if proved with solid evidence, would make you say: Hmmm. This seems to be a bad guy who doesn’t deserve my support?

    There’s a separate and distinct question — what would convince you that the election of Trump was a good thing? Not just “maybe the better of two lousy options” but actually a positive for the Republic?

    In my mind, it’s OK to say, “probably nothing”. And maybe that’s an acceptance that may be necessary with you and some of the Trump fans. There are some people you just can’t reach. Maybe you can learn from them, or engage them, but they are for Trump, and they will be for Trump even if he announces that he has sold the US to Russia for 49% of the stock of the combined country.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  9. they don’t think there’s anything wrong with a presidential candidate seeking dirt on his opponent from the Kremlin

    This seems *by far* much more aboveboard than for the hot and horny men and women of the pervert FBI to pay russian sources for the unsubstantiated crap that went into cowardly John McCain’s urinating hooker dossier.

    … and then to use that unsubstantiated crap to get some corrupt fat slob fisa judge to ok illegal spying on Americans.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. Trump went on the warpath about this on Twitter.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1022808452677160960

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    ….,the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats, so now they are looking at my Tweets (along with 53 million other people) – the rigged Witch Hunt continues! How stupid and unfair to our Country….And so the Fake News doesn’t waste my time with dumb questions, NO,….

    4:38 AM – 27 Jul 2018

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1022812910702215169

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    …..I did NOT know of the meeting with my son, Don jr. Sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam (Taxi cabs maybe?). He even retained Bill and Crooked Hillary’s lawyer. Gee, I wonder if they helped him make the choice!

    4:56 AM – 27 Jul 2018

    And now I heard on teh radio (but cannot find on the Internet) that Cohen (or his lawyer, Lanny Davis) says that Cohen doesn’t actually know that Donald Trump had any advance knowledge of that meeting that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Keushner and Paul Manafort had with several Russians, obtained by the Russians on the basis that they were going to provide them derogatory information about Hillary Clinton.

    In any case theer are twio points to ake:

    1) There’s no reason why Michael Cohen would know about this meeting (unless Donald trump told him later) He had no position in the trump for president camoaign and was not copied on the email chain

    2) If Trump had known about it, there’s still no collusion in anything criminal.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  11. Note: What Trumop is talking about above, when he says that the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats is the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign (and, of course,that probably included Hillary Clinton herself unless she wasn’t making the big decisions in her campaign) wanted to get dirt about Donald Trump from the Russians.

    They didn’t approach them openly, but they sent a British spy to ferret it out, who did not reveal to the Russians he was working for the Democrats (because after all, Putin was supporting Trump.
    The whole idea was to find out why. They probably did not believe the answers they got.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  12. So fraudulently provided intelligence estimates and fisa warrants on Carter page, where is the indictment, a junior associate in the London office who the managing partnerswerent aware of This, what is this suits?

    Narciso (e21a34)

  13. > It’s Trump’s world; we’re just living in it.)

    Trump is a symptom, not the disease. I don’t know if this world was deliberately constructed by the activist right, or if it was accidentally created, but Trump didn’t cause it, and getting rid of him won’t solve it.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  14. Sammy Finkelman, it may not be *criminal*, but a major party presidential candidate going to a foreign power and asking that foreign power for help winning a domestic election — doesn’t that seem *wrong* to you, on a basic ethical level?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  15. I would prefer that campaigns ran on facts and policy. But apparently froth is more useful, and negative ads work.

    Since I have seen no limit on the depths of what the Left will use (e.g. video rental records, sealed divorce transcripts, unsubstantiated claims by convicted bombers, 1972 MS Word documents), I have only minimal concern with the provenance of the dirt our side digs up.

    My main concern is that it be true, and documented. Lies don’t help. Usually.

    Whether or not the Russians, or Trump, or Pol Pot’s ghost gave Wikileaks the documents that sunk Hillary, no one has said they were untrue. The rest of this is just muddying the waters.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  16. doesn’t that seem *wrong* to you, on a basic ethical level?

    If someone came forward with evidence of a candidate’s criminality it would be unethical for a candidate to suppress that information solely because of the provenance of the evidence.

    In fact this is exactly the rationale coward-lick puke-boy John McCain used to excuse his dissemination of the dossier full of unsubstantiated information – information Hillary paid a whole passel of Russians for.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. “What, if proved with solid evidence, would make you say: Hmmm. This seems to be a bad guy who doesn’t deserve my support?”

    On a personal level, I’ve never liked the guy, and he was my 17th favorite candidate for president in 2016. But I did vote for him against Hillary Clinton.

    The easiest way for him to lose my support would be to stop doing what we voted for him to do; he could nominate liberal judges, he could stop fighting illegal immigration and he could stop promoting policies that improve the US economy.

    I don’t like trade wars, but he was upfront that this was on his agenda.

    Unfortunately, I don’t see anyone else in politics who would fight against the establishment consistently and repeatedly.

    Mike S (89ec89)

  18. Question: let’s say that it comes out that a candidate is a serial rapist, and that the documentation is incontrovertible. Would it matter if Kim Jong Un was the source? Would it matter if his opponent PAID Kim Jong Un for the dirt?

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  19. happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/27/2018 @ 11:31 am

    the pervert FBI to pay russian sources for the unsubstantiated crap that went into cowardly John McCain’s urinating hooker dossier.

    … and then to use that unsubstantiated crap to get some corrupt fat slob fisa judge to ok illegal spying on Americans.

    That completely garbles the facts.

    The FBI did not pay Russian sources. they agreed to pay ex-MI6 spy Christopher Steele in the future (but cancelled the arrangemenbt before they actually paid him any money.)

    Steele, if I am right, claims he never paid any Russians any money. I think thsi claim comes through Fusion GPS.

    This only increases its unreliability because that means what he was getting was coming to him with the knowledge and approval of Vladimir Putin.

    If he had paid Russians for the info, it would be more likely to be true.

    And, by the way, the whole thing raises questions about the qwuality of the work he did when he was working for MI6. Maybe he was the recipient of disinformation then, too. Custom made disinformation, just for him.

    Also, I think the Papadoupolous information didn’t have anything to do with Steele, but had something to do with the Australian Ambassador to the UK and some Clinton people. The Steele dossier was used in the FISA warrant application, but only as background, to assert a general Russian connection with Trump. This played up Papadoupolous as bigger, and more significant, than he was.

    Note: The FBI was careful to get te warrant only after GP had left the campaign. The FBI (or Comey0 was trying to cover all eventualities.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  20. The FBI did not pay Russian sources.

    corrupt Rod Rosytwat and the hot and horny men and women of the pervert FBI have actually refused to answer this question Mr. F

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. When is enough?

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  22. 17… Mike S has said it well…

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  23. Trump was a repudiation of the status quo. The voters knew what he was — it’s not like he hid it. Enough of them though preferred the bull in the china shop to the old lady who promised to keep the china gleaming.

    That the people repudiated don’t like the repudiation and are doing everything in their power to protect the Old Ways isn’t surprising. But it would be a better idea to reflect on a different path.

    What enraged the voters so that they chose the crazy man?

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  24. 15. Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/27/2018 @ 11:44 am

    Since I have seen no limit on the depths of what the Left will use (e.g. video rental records, sealed divorce transcripts, unsubstantiated claims by convicted bombers, 1972 MS Word documents), I have only minimal concern with the provenance of the dirt our side digs up.

    And now the left has a new idea: Attacking someone’s donors, and hinting at corruption because of it. Or maybe trying to deter donations.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mccaskills-intimidation-game-1532646222

    McCaskill’s Intimidation Game

    The Missouri senator runs attack ads not on her opponent but one of his supporters.

    …Team McCaskill is already employing the Democratic Party’s go-to tactic this midterm: character assassination…But the McCaskill forces are piling on a guy who isn’t even running.

    Indeed, they are attacking a private citizen and donor, David Humphreys. Back in March, Chuck Schumer’s Senate Majority PAC began plowing millions into attacks on the businessman, who donated to Mr. Hawley’s campaign for attorney general. The pattern is the same: An ad makes a malicious accusation against Mr. Humphreys, then sidles over to tar Mr. Hawley with guilt by association. Just how invested are they in this strategy? Since airing their first spot, 70% of Democratic ads—amounting to $4.7 million—have been focused on Mr. Humphreys…

    …The specific attacks here are as thin as they are familiar. In addition to a donation to Mr. Hawley, Mr. Humphreys in 2016 gave money to state Sen. Ron Richard. Mr. Richard, like almost every Republican, supports tort reform, and one of his bills would crack down on frivolous lawsuits against businesses—a major racket in Missouri. Critics claimed, baselessly, that Mr. Humphrey’s donation was a reward for a bill that might benefit his company, Tamko Building Products. They then slammed Mr. Hawley for not investigating what they called a “pay to play” scheme by his own “donor,” even though Mr. Hawley’s office doesn’t have criminal jurisdiction over such a case.

    A liberal organization, Campaign for Accountability, sought to keep the affair in the news by filing an official complaint with a federal prosecutor in Missouri. It may now wish it hadn’t. Mr. Humphreys’s attorney recently got a letter from U.S. Attorney Timothy Garrison, stating that his office had followed protocol and referred the issue to the FBI, which determined that “there was no basis for further inquiry.” Given the use of “allegations against Mr. Humphreys for public implication he has violated federal law,” Mr. Garrison continued, “this letter is to inform you that Mr. Humphreys was not, and is not now, considered a target by this United States Attorney’s Office.”

    That won’t stop the attacks because they serve a greater purpose. Beyond the smears against Messrs. Hawley and Humphreys, such ads are a warning to other donors….

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  25. My main concern is that it be true, and documented. Lies don’t help. Usually.

    Whether or not the Russians, or Trump, or Pol Pot’s ghost gave Wikileaks the documents that sunk Hillary, no one has said they were untrue. The rest of this is just muddying the waters.

    The interesting thing is that the Wikileaks documents don’t mean too much – they don’t add much to our knowledge of Hillary Clinton.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  26. what this also elides is that Fusion GPS seems to have had a hand in setting up this meeting in the first place

    we know they met with the Russian chick before and after the meeting, and we know the Russian chick was only in the country cause she got a special waiver from chunky-butt Loretta’s corrupt justice department

    Why did Obama’s DOJ let Natalia Veselnitskaya into U.S.?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. “That the people repudiated don’t like the repudiation and are doing everything in their power to protect the Old Ways isn’t surprising. But it would be a better idea to reflect on a different path.“

    Those on teh fed teat and their attack fingerlings…

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  28. The FBI did not pay Russian sources. happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/27/2018 @ 11:49 am

    corrupt Rod Rosytwat and the hot and horny men and women of the pervert FBI have actually refused to answer this question Mr. F

    That wouldn’t mean the answer is yes, they did.

    There’s no indication that they ever were in contact with any Russian sources, at least not through Steele.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  29. If they didn’t pay why wouldn’t they say so

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. The actual question is High Crimes and Misdemeanors, which is a totally different standard for congress, more like porn, they’ll know it when they see it. I don’t see any way for the Senate to actually flip anywhere near enough for that to happen, so unless something dramatic happens, Trump will be here till Jan 2021, he’ll be primary’d as a sitting president, and not very popular in a general.

    Of course, leave it to the Democrats to pick either an octogenarian, or a Democratic Socialist, there are moderate Republican’s and Democrats that could easily win a general, but I’m not sure either can win a primary, as it looks like they are in totally different parties than the primary voting blocks in their parties.

    Colonel Klink (ac7151)

  31. #14

    Cohen may just be repeating stuff he’s heard on Maddows show, there no proof he was in on any of it yet.
    Taking a meeting, finding out there is dirt out there on someone is probably par for the course for opposition researchers. It would seem prudent for them to listen for a few minutes. It doesn’t mean they would buy the research, but they might get ideas on where to look and maybe start their own investigation.
    I’m no expert, but it seems to me that the FBI, CIA, Mueller and the media probably take meetings with tipsters regularly. They could keep their hands clean by developing their own research.

    I’d be unfavorable towards the Trump campaign if they took 33,000 Hillary emails from Russian operative, but I also am unfavorable towards those that allowed Hillary’s lawyers to scrub them and towards the FBI for burying the investigation into them

    steveg (a9dcab)

  32. “they don’t think there’s anything wrong with a presidential candidate seeking dirt on his opponent from the Kremlin”

    If it isn’t wrong when Hillary and DNC paid a British spy to supply fake dirt directly received from the KREMLIN to the FBI in an effort to get her opponent criminally investigated, then, NO! There’s nothing wrong with what Trump Jr. Did. Plus, that meeting turned out to be a dud.

    Real American (da99e1)

  33. An easy way to check for intellectual consistency is to play out a meeting between Hillary’s inner circle and some Putineers who claimed to have incriminating dirt on Trump. The mere taking of such a meeting with those Russians would have been viewed as an un-American attempt to collude with a hostile foreign power in order to get the upper hand in an election. And it would have been just as un-American on Hillary’s part to have known about this meeting beforehand. In the present case, it was un-American for Trump Jr. and Manafort to attempt to collude with Putin’s agents, and just as un-American for Trump to have known in advance that this meeting was to take place.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  34. He’s [Michael Cohen] an honest, honorable lawyer.” – Rudy Giuliani, ‘This Week’ ABC News, May 6, 2018

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. An easy way to check for intellectual consistency is to play out a meeting between Hillary’s inner circle and some Putineers who claimed to have incriminating dirt on Trump.

    Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies Did The Same Thing As Don Jr.

    A veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. My question about Cohen is doesn’t the government’s team already have everything? They’ve been about as leak free as any investigation I’ve ever seen, so they aren’t saying.

    Cohen’s team, and Giuliani, have been leaking like a sieve, information that was already subpoenaed.

    I think Cohen is screwed, he’s not getting a pardon, and the prosecutors, not Mueller’s team BTW, seem to have him cold, so why would they deal? If he can’t provide corroboration he’s useless.

    Weiselberg’s being subpoenaed, may bring up lots of shady real estate deals, but that’s a different set of crimes, than the Russia bits. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think Trump’s real estate business was about as crooked as a NY real estate guy could be, but he’s not getting prosecuted in office for that, and probably not impeached, that was also priced into candidate Trump. After he’s out of office, he may get prosecuted for all of the shady money bits, depending on the statute of limitations, but he’ll be dead before any of that, he’s 72 and eats like a 12 year old and doesn’t believe in exercise.

    Colonel Klink (ac7151)

  37. sleazy michael cohen who taped taped taped everything everything everything is suddenly tape-less like a dirty tape-less poop-wank

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. On the topic of ‘If Trump were a Bill Clinton-style rapist, would that turn you off?’

    The whole point of the ‘grab ’em by the pussy’ tape is that Trump isn’t a Bill Clinton-style rapist by his own unguarded admission. He made a play for the lady and got turned down; even though women (as per Dr. Strangelove) “sense his power.”

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  39. “What, if proved with solid evidence, would make you say: Hmmm.” Patterico

    Well…. How much evidence do they need to impeach Rosenstein? Remove Comey? They want Mueller gone too. And Sessions.

    Not much evidence, if any. But, for the Donald, there will never be enough. I think we all know it.

    noel (96c84f)

  40. Nixon vs. Dean; Trump vs. Cohen; tapes.

    History rhymes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. orange-nosers

    noel (96c84f)

  42. the CNN fake news article in the post above repeatedly says “Russians” … plural

    but there was only one Russian at the meeting, and it was the one given special entrance into the country by chunky-butt Loretta’s corrupt department of justice…

    GPS Fusion collaborator Natalia Veselnitskaya

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. John Dean was a big liar, you know. He spoke in monotone because he was afraid of the voice stress analyzer (or what else do you think?)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  44. Ex Post Facto department:

    http://www.newser.com/story/262555/ronan-farrows-new-expose-target-cbs-leslie-moonves.html

    To be clear, the story in the New Yorker isn’t out yet, but it’s expected to be published Friday afternoon, per the Hollywood Reporter. Details are sparse so far, but THR says the piece will raise allegations against Moonves “of unwanted kissing and touching that occurred more than 20 years ago, as well as numerous claims that occurred more recently.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  45. ha[[yfeet @43 Weren’t there 3 Russians in that meeting? Or, while they weer with natalya V, they weren’t Russian citizens (any longer anyway)?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  46. how did they get the info, now the pentagon paid halper, slightly over a million, so he could have his assistant, miss turk, knock back cocktailes with papadop. so whatever he said was compared to her testimony, by contrast, the highest paid mi6 asset in al queda was paid 30,000 pounds, about $45,000

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. one was a state department translator, samornov, then there was her boss, akhmetchin, who had commissioned the report from fusion,

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. yes yes only one Russian citizen

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. If he started saying conservative libertarian free traders are not the traitors we all know they are. If he started advocating open borders as libertarian conservative scum do now.

    wendell (41ac79)

  50. It was a little funny to watch the left and neverTrumpers of most stripes run to put all their eggs in Stormy Daniels FF baskets to the point her lawyer wants to run for President (which dear God please let him run)

    Its even funnier to see previously rational people take Cohens word for anything.
    Cohen is being tortured and he can’t stand the pain. So he is babbling, telling everyone what he thinks they want to hear.
    Problem I see on Cohens horizon *speculation follows* problem I see coming for Cohen is the IRS. I’ll bet his taxi businesses have a cash fare problem. He can get immunity and plea bargains for a lot of things, but the last time I looked the IRS doesn’t give a rats behind who someone snitches on. They are about the money

    steveg (a9dcab)

  51. What, if proved with solid evidence, would make you say: Hmmm. This seems to be a bad guy who doesn’t deserve my support?

    The only thing he could do to make the Trumpalos say that would be to change to the Democrat Party. If he were a Democrat, he’d be the worst scoundrel of all time.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  52. So he is babbling, telling everyone what he thinks they want to hear.

    actually his babble so far is limited to the anonymous sources in the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda linked above

    all we know for sure is that trashy-ass mueller wanted this story in the news, and so this story is in the news

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  53. “Trump was a repudiation of the status quo. The voters knew what he was — it’s not like he hid it. Enough of them though preferred the bull in the china shop to the old lady who promised to keep the china gleaming.

    That the people repudiated don’t like the repudiation and are doing everything in their power to protect the Old Ways isn’t surprising. But it would be a better idea to reflect on a different path.

    What enraged the voters so that they chose the crazy man?”

    Any legacy American who ever had to go to a DMV full of the latest cheap imported demographics and permanent state wards would have voted for Chairman Mao if he had credibly promised the same things Trump did. NOTE: No other Republican in the running seemed to feel it necessary to do so. Or perhaps it was too easy to see the Kevin Yoder in them.

    Steppe Nomad (f743b7)

  54. “they don’t think there’s anything wrong with a presidential candidate seeking dirt on his opponent from the Kremlin.”

    Gotta love how the little white lies can change ‘your excitable goof of an assistant has a lot to praise about some chick with a Russian CV’ versus ‘SEEKING DIRT DIRECTLY FROM THE KREMLIN WHILE CACKLING ABOUT HOW THOSE DUMB RUBES WON’T EVEN SEE IT COMING’

    Steppe Nomad (dc84ea)

  55. If trump said creating 500,000 new manufacturing job since 2017 is a bad thing and we should go back to free trade so they can all lose there jobs again to subsidized chinese steel. If he said free trade lets in subsidized goods and putting out of business american companies while bribing are politicians into supporting free trade and sponsoring only talk shows blogs and media that supports free trade is good. If he says fair trade that treats china the way china treats us is bad we need to be uncle sap again then I will consider it.

    wendell (41ac79)

  56. republican party is now 90% trump supporting populists. the other 10% libertarian conservatives neo-con artists free traders don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

    wendell (41ac79)

  57. Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies Did The Same Thing As Don Jr.

    That’s been fact-checked, too.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  58. Now fish or cut bait, in the emails released pursuant to this encounter was there Any direct connection apriori.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. the washington post isn’t a fact-based publication it’s narrative-driven propaganda and lies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  60. Another thing people always leave off is the quid pro quo. What does Russia get out of this?
    Nothing was promised, nothing was given, and Trump’s even kicked Russia in the nuts a few times with missiles in Poland, killing 200 russian ‘little green men’ in Syria, and countless other things you can read on the web.

    For a Russian stooge, he doesn’t seem to be playing it real well.

    Ingot9455 (3eee4f)

  61. Teh Tangerine Tornado has them all plussed.

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  62. the washington post isn’t a fact-based publication it’s narrative-driven propaganda and lies
    What I’ve noticed over the years is that left-wingers and ardent Trump supporters hate fact-checkers, mostly for the same reasons.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  63. What did Russia get…Chaos in the US, Chaos in the EU, Chaos in NATO, Chaos in the Middle East. Increase their importance on the international stage. They’ve been fantastically successful with sowing FUD across the west, funneling money to extreme groups, Brexit, weaponizing social media engineering, etc.

    Trump is just a Useful Idiot; he is, and always was, a means to an end, to increase their prominence, they want a new Russian Empire, this helps.

    Colonel Klink (e023c8)

  64. Who did steele get the info from Mr. Montague, bear in mind he could travel to russia, while evidence suggests waldman Milan perhaps deripasha himself.

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. What I’ve noticed is some self-described hardcore conservatives – who are fond of red wine (queue up teh UB40!) – are overly fond of left-leaning “factcheckers”.

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  66. “What I’ve noticed over the years is that left-wingers and ardent Trump supporters hate fact-checkers, mostly for the same reasons.”

    Oh yes, prior to Trump, conservatives TOTALLY thought fact-checkers were the bees knees and never had any issues with any of them. They were, in fact, completely simpatico with media-employed media watchdogs giving their readers THE FACTS whenever they wanted.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to read a BUZZFEED FACT FRAME entitled “The US economy grew by 4.1% this year. Here’s why that’s a bad thing” since Pat doesn’t have the gumption or the reach to be that brazen about robotically refuting EVERYTHING that makes your opponent look good.

    Steppe Nomad (3cfe26)

  67. Syria happened when, smolensk, Ukraine, the rise of Islamic state, the empowering of Iran in Yemen a well as Syria, the rise of terrorist sanctuaries in libya

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. Who did steele get the info from Mr. Montague, bear in mind he could travel to russia, while evidence suggests waldman Milan perhaps deripasha himself.

    I’m not sure how Fusion GPS comes into this because the topic is about the secret meeting between a Putin operative and three of Trump’s inner circle. In either case, I’m not really able to unpack your bad grammar into something that makes sense. As far as I know, Steele didn’t travel to Russia as part of his assignment, and his sources are still unknown; they can only be guessed at.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  69. Because everyone at the table sans the translator were connected to fusion. They were in communication with Glenn Simpson before and after.

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. Trump negotiates… teh media lies… NeverTrump soil themselves…

    “Donald Trump is a negotiator, as he has told us from the start. Not everything he says means what it means. Not every final decision he makes is final. And just because he says he loves you, that doesn’t mean he does. He’s in motion toward a goal, and the truth is in the motion. By now, most of us get this.

    Except the press. They just hate him too much to take him as he is — to take him as he has always said he is. They don’t accept he’s in a moving negotiation. If he says it’s over and it’s not over, they call him a liar. If he says he loves Putin, they declare he loves Putin. By now, most of us understand that Trump doesn’t operate that way. Not the press.”

    https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/trump-negotiates-the-press-lies/

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  71. I’ll make this easy regarding the fact-checkers at the DDID and just go directly to the facts in order to avoid a pointless and futile ad hominem argument. On the one hand you have a dictator of a hostile foreign power who was actively directing an effort to meddle in an American election–to foment chaos, to knock down Hillary, to play up Trump–and one of Putins’ operatives set up a meeting for the purpose of disseminating secret dirt on Hillary. Three of Trump’s inner agreed to collude on that effort. On the other side you have a former DNC operative who, on her own volition, went to the Ukrainian embassy to get information on Manafort. One of the embassy staff gave her some already-made-public information on the guy and offered some guidance on where to look.
    As the DDID mentioned, the comparison is facile, but it does seem to make many ardent Trump supporters happy because they can have an “ah hah!” look-over-there moment, as phony as that moment really is. In any event, Manafort was tripped up shortly afterward when Ukrainian authorities revealed a ledger that showed millions in secret cash payments to the sleazoid Trump ex-campaign manager.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  72. President Trump’s doing a phenomenal job how can you not understand about the phenomenal job he’s doing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. Ukrainian authorities revealed a ledger that showed millions in secret cash payments to the sleazoid Trump ex-campaign manager.

    slutbama did BILLIONS of secret cash payments on his Persian terror fwends

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. Rasmussen poll has a majority of Democrats supporting allowing illegal aliens to vote in all elections. They love anarchy as long as it brings down the USA.

    NJRob (03c202)

  75. 74. Paul Montagu (57bb34) — 7/27/2018 @ 2:02 pm

    I’ll make this easy regarding the fact-checkers at the DDID and just go directly to the facts in order to avoid a pointless and futile ad hominem argument. On the one hand you have a dictator of a hostile foreign power who was actively directing an effort to meddle in an American election–to foment chaos, to knock down Hillary, to play up Trump–and one of Putins’ operatives set up a meeting for the purpose of disseminating secret dirt on Hillary.

    But they didn’t deliver.

    Instead they talked about adoptions from Russia (which Putin had stopped as retaliation for the
    Magnitsky Act. They did pretend a little to say aomthing about Hillary 9and others) but it was all nonsense.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  76. 70. Paul Montagu (57bb34) — 7/27/2018 @ 1:48 pm

    As far as I know, Steele didn’t travel to Russia as part of his assignment, and his sources are still unknown; they can only be guessed at. [by us. He probably has since told the British government and that info has probably been shared with the CIA and FBI and Mueller] ]

    It’s a pretty good guess that they were Russian officals, and it’s a pretty good guess also that they were directed in what to say (or their direction supervised) by Vladimir Putin who did not know that Steele was working for the Democrats!

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  77. I did see a new narrative earlier. It was Hillary’s campaign that asked Putin to send their intelligence agents to the Trump campaign to give them false information, so he’d use it, or something. Here’s the part that was illogical, the Clinton campaign was then going to release recordings of the meeting to show the Trump campaign into chaos. Okay, use it to ensure she wins? was that it, no idea.

    Its novel I guess, makes it all Clinton’s fault. I mean, C didn’t follow B which would have followed A, but just because its stupid and illogical, wouldn’t make a Trumpkin not believe it, or at least spout it. I don’t believe a third of these folks actually believe Trump, but think its fun. So its 2/3rds really really dumb folks, and 1/3rd trolls.

    Colonel Klink (7c6b48)

  78. 61. Ingot9455 (3eee4f) — 7/27/2018 @ 1:29 pm

    Another thing people always leave off is the quid pro quo. What does Russia get out of this?

    Agents of influence, or peole who could be turned into, or promote agents of influence and spies.

    Like Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn.

    For a Russian stooge, he doesn’t seem to be playing it real well.

    Trump isn’t one. But he hired one as his national securiy adviser.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. They were in communication with Glenn Simpson before and after.

    They were in contact with each other, but there’s no evidence that Ms. Veselnitskaya was in communication with Mr. Simpson regarding the Trump Tower meeting.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  80. You heard of uranium one Mr Montague, the most objective quid pro quo, well that case was suppressed, by rosenstein.

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. 77 for NJ Rob…

    Anarchy in the U.K. teh U.S.A.

    Right now ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
    I am a leftwing douche
    I am an anarchist
    Don’t know what I want
    But I know how to get it
    I want to destroy society
    ‘Cause I want to be anarchy
    No papers on me

    Anarchy for the USA
    It’s coming sometime and maybe
    There’s no wrong time to stop a traffic line
    Your future dream has sure been seen through
    ‘Cause I want to be anarchy
    In the city

    There are many ways to get what you want
    Forget the best, I’ll take the rest
    I use teh DNC
    I use anarchy
    ‘Cause I want to be anarchy
    Its teh only way to be

    Is this da CBC
    O esto es el CHC
    Or is this teh LGBT
    I thought it was teh USA
    Or just another country
    Another caucus tenancy
    I want to be anarchy
    And I want to be anarchy
    (Oh what a name)
    And I want to be an anarchist
    ( get pissed, destroy)

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  82. Clinton paid for dirt on her opponent bundled together by the Russians and she sits drinking vodka out of a CostCo bottle of “Stoli” right now, in her housecoat, free as a bird.

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  83. 85. Colonel Haiku (3f4d38) — 7/27/2018 @ 2:32 pm Clinton paid for dirt on her opponent bundled together by the Russians

    But she thought she was going to get the truth because the British ex-MI6 agent they hired was so good.

    I think they must have realized his information wasn’t good.

    That didn’t stop them from cautiously trying to use it in some way.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  84. Uranium One was before Putin broke with the Clintons because he blamed Hillary Clinton for the coup in Ukraine. Now it’s also a problem figrng out what Hillary did for Uranium One. Could be consukting. Or just part of soemthing bigger.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  85. 80. Oh please. The opposite of a Putin-Trump plot is not some nonsense like that..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  86. here’s a little story about ww2

    During World War II, Noble was asked to improve the United Kingdom’s oil production.

    England needed oil and sent an emissary to request the help of a number of American oil drillers.

    Noble was willing to risk his rigs and crew in the top secret endeavor to quickly drill multiple wells in a small oil field in Sherwood Forest.

    The endeavor relied on Noble Drilling’s superior use of technology to drill 106 wells in one year: from March 1943 to March 1944. The production of the field increased from 700 barrels a day to over 3,000 barrels a day.

    Noble’s company took no profit from the operation.

    good oklahoma boy, Mr. Lloyd Noble

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. =Haikhrushchev= Brezhnevheit!

    Still won’t wash the Helstinki off; past time you hit the showers, Red Colonel.

    Anybody who tries to help Traitor Trump spin this– from the crew aboard the Russian Troller Red Fox, on blogs, on editorial boards, in White House press briefings, perched mutely around Cabinet tables, in Congressional cloak rooms, in bars, bed or otherwise- is essentially complicit; an enabler and a Russian ‘colluder.’

    It’s worth repeating this over and over for all Colludin’ Putinites – as is Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    Traitor Trump strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Russia’s Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped his azz w/t U.S. flag.
    _______

    Wake up and smell yourselves; snap out of it, Traitorous Trumpanovs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YeQtMAH0U

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. “That didn’t stop them from cautiously trying to use it in some way.”

    “Cautiously”… I don’t think that word means what you think it means…

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  89. You heard of uranium one Mr Montague, the most objective quid pro quo, well that case was suppressed, by rosenstein.
    I have. I even wrote about it, and that’s been fact-checked too. The real issue there is why Mr. Campbell’s work as a CI didn’t make it up the chain to Holder, who was one of the nine members of the council to vote on the UraniumOne deal.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  90. They seem to have flexible standards on what evidence to admit, and which to discard,

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. FFS, Montague.

    When teh time comes, ASPCA, prison overcrowding will not be a problem. Innernetz research has determined that a 150 lb. human body will occupy 0.07 cubic yards. You do the math to figure out the size of teh mass grave.

    Your 98 lbs. can be accommodated quite easily.

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  92. Fact-check this, homeboy…

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  93. A balanced account:
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/27/cohen-trump-tower-collusion

    Of course dilanian, like corn and ioffe all received handouts fringe fusion

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. Now running guns to cartels, suppressing political speech, that didnt interest the bureau or the doj

    Now you ask why bashir will not step down, because he saw how qaddafi ended,

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. 94… I just be kiddink, comrade…

    Colonel Haiku (3f4d38)

  96. But thought crime is ever to be stamped out:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/27/twitter-suspends-transgender-military

    But rich and Marty, can be edgy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. Which raises the question that I now pose to avid Trump supporters: what would change your minds about this guy?

    Not avid, just have accepted the warts.

    1. If the Trump administration were to ratchet up the amount of rules and regulations coming out of the bureaucracy.
    2. If the Trump administration were nominating leftist judges for important seats.
    3. If the Trump administration were following a foreign policy that is detrimental to American national interests
    4. If he Trump administration raises taxes.
    5. If the Trump administration were weaponizing the bureaucracy to attack its political opponents.
    6. Of the economy was going down the tubes and he kept pushing for tariffs in a trade war.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Trump has done some shady things, that if not expressly breaking the law, have skirted at close to the line of legality as possible. That’s why he had a guy like Cohen on his payroll for so long.

    The fundamental question that I asked after the election and the administration started was “Oh man, if his guy is just a Democrat in republican clothing what are we going to do?”

    Pleasantly, DJT has Done more to shrink the effective size of government than Gary Johnson or Ron Paul (the last 2 votes I cast) could have ever accomplished. Because he doesn’t care. He is shameless. Ita embarrassing, but so long as the results are continuing (The #winning) his character doesn’t matter.

    What matters is what he accomplishes in office. Period. The ever present star chamber that has been created by he media and the SC is wholly based on a campaign opponent doc, laundered through the FBI and the FISA court and followed up with a campaign narrative that was hatched the day after Hilary lost and used the apparati of government to do everything to try and destroy the mans administration. And he is still succeeding.

    So, until the anti-trump coalition admits this whole SC investigation is BS, I’ll support the guy.

    Carlton (20b9c8)

  98. What must evil must Trump commit to change his supporters’ minds?

    Don’t you remember?

    Keeping that insane crook HRC out of the White House saved the Republic, at least temporarily.

    But, It is guaranteed that a protected HRC, if she had won, would NEVER be impeached, no matter how unethical her behavior, as suggested from the “we could not prove intent” presser.

    Contrariwise, Trump is guaranteed to be impeached even for what is already known.

    Which way fits the spirit of the Constitution?

    Just relax, the Trump impeachment is guaranteed.

    william elbel (fd5d32)

  99. Michael Cohen has not been charged with any crime yet.

    On the other hand, the Special Master has charged $330,000 to date to look through the documents, at the rate of $700 per hour including “preparation”.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. I’m sure there ate better users of that time and money.

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. Give me that old time religion:
    standpointmag.co.uk/node/7203/full

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. @61. What does Russia get out of this?

    “KAOS!” – Maxwell Smart, Agent 86 [Don Adams] ‘Get Smart’ NBC/CBS 1965-70

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. so this happened

    the photographer, i’d like to buy a drink

    good work mister

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  104. @107. The pilot deserves a whole case of the grape, Mr. Feet: an Ercoupe 415-D is of much better vintage.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  105. yeah that had to be scary for a whole lot of people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. So if you look at actions, Obama enabled Putin to the greatest degree, there was no Cambridge analytica to middle the issue though.

    Narciso (67b23d)

  107. but i been looking and that’s hands down the best pic so far – composition etc

    but low rez

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. our first responders here, they are very large

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  109. “On the one hand you have a dictator of a hostile foreign power who was actively directing an effort to meddle”

    Putin is nothing compared to Democrat urban machine politics. Those who use this language without any sense of degree…without NUMBERS, are not doing science but art. Often very derivative art.

    “one of Putins’ operatives set up a meeting for the purpose of disseminating secret dirt on Hillary.”

    So unofficially official a PUTIN OPERATIVE and not anything else that the Fusion GPS guy was there just to be her minder. Glenn Simpson, fortunately, seems to have no national affiliation or loyalties other than himself, so you can totally trust him to be above board.

    “Three of Trump’s inner agreed to collude on that effort.”

    ‘agreed to collude on that effort’ lol what a mealy-mouthed non-descriptive description. Here’s a better one that matches reality:

    “The Situation, Donny Jr, and Kushbomb agreed to hear whatever story this Russian chick was telling us, so long as it’s good”

    “On the other side you have a former DNC operative who, on her own volition, went to the Ukrainian embassy to get information on Manafort. One of the embassy staff gave her some already-made-public information on the guy and offered some guidance on where to look.
    As the DDID mentioned, the comparison is facile, but it does seem to make many ardent Trump supporters happy because they can have an “ah hah!” look-over-there moment, as phony as that moment really is. In any event, Manafort was tripped up shortly afterward when Ukrainian authorities revealed a ledger that showed millions in secret cash payments to the sleazoid Trump ex-campaign manager.”

    Sorry, but Ukrainians are of the same shifty Slavic nature as the Russians even if their borders happen to be drawn differently (at the moment) and a very recently installed loyal-to-the-prior-admin regime suddenly producing things useful to the last admin when asked by other loyalists of the last admin doesn’t pass any muster at all.

    So far your position is: YOU agreeing to listen to a foreign national for likely-dubious information is TOTALLY THE SAME as US *directly* soliciting foreign nationals for likely-dubious information.

    Steppe Nomad (8389c4)

  110. Which raises the question that I now pose to avid Trump supporters: what would change your minds about this guy?

    By definition, an avid Trump supporter is a True Believer, a member of the cult, and therefore there’s nothing that would change their mind. Given the choice between leprosy and cancer, nobody’s going to fault you for choosing leprosy but when you start talking up leprosy as the greatest thing since sliced bread, you’ve lost your mind.

    And contra 52 above, no, switching back to the Democrat party (like what, donating to Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer? He did that.) is not going to cost him any votes, he’d be more popular than ever if he did. A large chunk of his supporters are traditional Democrat voters, blue collar union guys feeling abandoned by the increasingly-socialist Left. These people believed Obama’s talk of “Hope and Change” and voted for him then, now they’re buying Trump’s re-branding of the slogan. (Of course we all know they’re racist even though they voted for Obama because they refused to vote for Hillary and her soul is far blacker than Obama’s skin.) Remember Cruz’s “New York values” remark that they tried to spin as anti-Semitic even though those of us of a certain age knew he meant “Rockefeller Republican”, i.e. New York liberal RINO? Trump himself used the term “New York values” to explain his pro-choice position on abortion – he cheerfully admitted to being a liberal Republican. No, if Trump switched to the Democrat Party (and who’s to say he wouldn’t if the Dems do better than expected in the mid-terms and he has to reach an accommodation with them going into 2020?) I’d bet he’d attract more Democrat votes than he loses Republican. And heck, switching parties would put an instantaneous end to the Mueller probe and the MSM bashing (“More evidence of Mr. Trump’s genius at 4-D chess!” say the usual suspects) and Trump would be universally hailed as the Greatest President of All Time! What’s the downside to Trump switching parties?

    Now, in 2023 as he prepares to run for his 3rd term, who knows what party label he’ll run under then? Just remember you heard it here first – within hours of taking the oath of office in 2021, Trump will file his re-election campaign paperwork with the FEC and there’s going to be a firestorm over the idea that he can attempt to run for a third term, but his defenders are going to claim the Constitution merely reflects the sacred Will Of The People and if the WOTP is that Trump get a third term, well, obviously the Constitution must bow to the WOTP. And Trump will play coy over the question of whether or not he thinks the Constitution is the final word on whether or not he’s legally able to run for a third term.

    Jerryskids (cfad51)

  111. i’d much much much rather have leprosy than cancer

    that’s not even a hard question

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  112. “Pleasantly, DJT has Done more to shrink the effective size of government than Gary Johnson or Ron Paul (the last 2 votes I cast) could have ever accomplished.”
    That is objectively false. Trump signed a massive appropriations bill that substantively grew the size of our government. That, combined with the tax cut, has given us trillion-plus dollar deficits every year going forward. Trump is neither a smaller-government nor fiscally conservative guy

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  113. President Trump is an economy-growing guy

    i just love the sh!t out of him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. Yes blame Ryan and McConnell, if we lose wither Chamber they have the sense of a,cicada.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  115. Are we still whining about Trump listening to people who said they had dirt on crooked Hillary? The criticism you should be making is questioning his judgement if he thought that any government connected Russians or New York Democrat lawyers named Cohen would be on his side. But you guys can’t go there because it defeats the narrative.

    JCurtis (2dc759)

  116. He’s bern house counsel for some 10 years if memory serves.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  117. Paul, the operative word there is “effective”.

    There are hundreds of federal jobs open that the Trump administration has not filled. Why? If you listen to Mick Mulvaney, that is the point. They are superfluous jobs, created to serve the bureaucracy. The repeal of hundred of federal regulations is “effectively” shrinking the size of government. The Trump administration has not filled out multiple staff members in the White House. That is effectively cutting the size of the government.

    The president doesn’t have the power of he purse (and thank god for that). It’s in Congressional hands.

    So we spend too much money? Absolutely.

    Are we taxed too much, even after the tax cuts? Absolutely.

    Should we cut government spending? You betcha. Should’ve done it years ago.

    We don’t have a revenue problem (those are up) we have a spending problem. And until it becomes politically profitable for the members of Congress to cut spending, it will continue to go up. So, EG can help get us out of the whole, but pinning spending being cut under ANY administration without BOOMING growth is a quibble.

    Carlton (20b9c8)

  118. So it’s okay to pay foreign nationals to get dirt and disinformation from Russians on your political opponent which Hillary Clinton noon and the DNC both did? Is that what these NeverTrumpers are suggesting?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. “Putin is nothing compared to Democrat urban machine politics.”
    That’s simply not a rational comment.

    Paul Montagu (2c8248)

  120. I love (that’s just an expression, I don’t really love it, I’m only amused) watching Trumpkins trying to put lipstick on a pig, and that expression is nearly literally literal in the case of Trump.

    The pig being that Trump is a feckless buffoon, whose daddy had to hire escorts for him when he was a teenager because no girl would go out with him, and who is now getting f’ked around royally by erowh and her pimp, and his own gofer.

    He is not a leader, let alone a strong leader. He praises Putin and Duterte and Kim for being strong leaders who have control of their countries but he, himself, cannot control his own errand boys.

    nk (dbc370)

  121. Putin is nothing compared to Democrat urban machine politics.

    Say what? I guarantee you that the Daleys (the acme of Democrat urban machine politicians) never sent agents out with polonium and novichok to murder their critics or had them gunned down or run over on the streets of Chicago.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. Gathering info, you don’t expect to get it from the press do ya, you treat them like mushrooms like Obama locked them out of fundraisers and tapped their whole directory, for things his staff had done, and they kissed his behind with intensity reserved for octopi.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  123. Yes, let’s keep pretending this fakery is real, because we just don’t like this guy.

    Argued by people who’s livelihood is often based on their ability to characterize what’s bad or evil as good and worthy of praise. And then convince people the horseschiff they’ve been subjected to is The Truth.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. Yes Putin regarded litvinenko as a traitor, particularly to the Chechens, in this country we give such folk an attorney and a slot at msnbc, they don’t play that over there.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  125. “Hey pops, there is some lawyer saying she’s got dirt on Hillary!”
    “Take a meeting. Take Jared with you.”
    Some time later…
    “How’d it go?”
    “Total bust. All she did was whine about the Magnitsky Act.”

    So…? How slim does the bad news have to be for you to knit it into a comfy I Hate Trump sweater for the cold winter ahead?

    Now the opposite question – just what does Trump have to do to impress you Nevertrumpers? We’ve got possible peace with North Korea along with return of an American prisoner and remains, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, tax cuts, walk away from the stupid climate deal, nix the Iran deal, NATO agreeing to spend more, 4+% growth, 3% unemployment, ISIS destroyed, Trump declares Jerusalem the capital of Israel, Black and Hispanic unemployment rates hit record lows, Food stamp usage drops half million in single month, American corporations are seeing their best earnings in 13 years, and we shrunk the federal bureaucracy by 16,000….I could go on, but why bother?

    I’m not apologizing for the guy. I don’t have to. It speaks for itself. I don’t like everything, but I sure do like a lot of it. And you nevertrumpers have always claimed to want all these things as well. So what gives? What’s it going to take? How about YOU draw a line in the sand and say, well, I’ll drop my objections to Trump if he just achieves THIS.

    The fact you even bother to ask this question is kinda sad.

    But I’ll answer anyway – You’ll have to show me that Trump is worse then Hillary. I mean, she actually did collude with Russians to sway the elections, right? Show me Trump doing something even remotely at that scale – paying an ex-secret agents to solicit Russian lies and shop them around Washington to get wiretaps on his political enemies. How about we start with that?

    George Orwell's Ghost (ba96d1)

  126. The evolution of the Trump Tower meeting:

    We didn’t meet with any Russians

    We met, but it was only 1 person for 20 minutes, about adoption, didn’t tell dad, Jared and Manafort not there

    We met, but it was only 3 people, uh 4, uh 5, since they said they had dirt on clinton, didn’t tell dad, Jared and Manafort there, but left early or stared at their phones

    Dad didn’t find out until the NYT published the story

    Dad didn’t tell me to say anything about the meeting, but he didn’t know about it at the time

    Dad gave me a some bullet points to say about the meeting, but he didn’t know about it at the time

    Dad wrote the complete statement claiming it was about adoption, but he didn’t know about it at the time

    So now we’re to assume that all the other lies are unimportant, or just didn’t happen, and his kid, son in law, and campaign manager, didn’t tell him. They’ve had 2 years to come up with a single story, so why in the world is it not completely plausible that he knew a couple of days early? You have to be willfully ignorant to not suspect it based on just basic logic.

    If nothing happened, why does every single revelation, prove the last claim a lie, so just invent a new lie,and why in the world would you not be suspicious?

    Cohen’s a greaseball, but in this case, his claim just plain fits.

    And again, they were meeting with a hostile foreign government to gain intelligence against another American.

    Colonel Klink (e0ff26)

  127. FBI… that bulwark against criminal activity… the organization, much vaunted for their decades old fight for truth, justice and the American Way… collaborating with the Southern Poverty Law Center?!?!

    Say it ain’t so.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  128. That’s about as contrived as the Mueller probe, born from misrepresented memo, by a erroneous recusal from an unethical intercept.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  129. Mr. Colonel the FBI is a perverted redoubt of hot and hornies who weren’t skilled enough at oral sex to get hired by the Secret Service

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  130. HILLARY CLINTON AND THE DNC PAID FOREIGN NATIONALS TO GET DIRT AND DISINFORMATION FROM RUSSIANS ON THEIR MAIN POLITICAL OPPONENT.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. Patterico, Trump didn’t seek dirt on Hillary, it was offered.

    Trump Jr set up a time and place to meet the individuals making the offer, and to see some sample dirt.

    The meeting was a nothingburger – no dirt.

    After she left the meeting the Russian lawyer who supposedly had dirt on Hillary (specifically allowed US entry by Obama’s Attorney General) went straight to the offices of Fusion GPS presumably to be debriefed.

    PS: I would probably withdrew my support for Trump if he declared himself President for Life. I would definitely withdraw support if he declared our nation the United Socialist States of America. And I would actively oppose Trump if he declared the Constitution null and void.

    I could go on, but you get the smart of it, and besides it’s almost time to watch Hannity.

    ropelight (f8d668)

  132. “If nothing happened, why does every single revelation, prove the last claim a lie, so just invent a new lie,and why in the world would you not be suspicious?”

    Because the other side was equally reticent to give comfirming details except on an extremely slow rollout, indicating that it was a NOTHINGBURGER at least until Don JR up and tweeted out the raw information, RUINING the plans of journos to drag it out with more innuendo for months?

    And because the story as-finally-told is completely believable and comports with common experience?

    Steppe Nomad (18535a)

  133. That was jared yale sexton the prophet of southern indiana university.

    Narciso (f6b3a8)

  134. The Pentagon budget earmarks $6.5 billion for the European Deterrence Initiative—a military program aimed at confronting Russia in Eastern Europe—a 91% increase over President Obama’s last year in office.

    Missile interceptors back in Poland.

    The U.S. is selling anti-tank missiles to Ukraine—a move Obama resisted.

    Killing 200 Russian military contractors in Syria.

    The Pentagon has just announced $200 million in new military assistance to Ukraine.

    Trump openly criticized Russia’s prized Nord Stream 2 gas project with Germany and badgered NATO members to increase military spending.

    At a post-Helsinki Senate hearing, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reaffirmed that the United States will never recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea.

    But collusion…I mean, he might have known about a 30 minute meeting with a Russian lawyer who might have ties to the Kremlin…how can you not see that as a HUGE problem?

    George Orwell's Ghost (ba96d1)

  135. WHATABOUT…that other lady who did the thing like our guy, so WHATABOUT that. You know, 2 wrongs=fair play, or something.

    Colonel Klink (e0ff26)

  136. “WHATABOUT…that other lady who did the thing like our guy, so WHATABOUT that. You know, 2 wrongs=fair play, or something.”

    “Whataboutism” and other made-up words to avoid confronting entirely justifiable public anger over your prior open hypocrisy and corruption is the last refuge of scoundrels, losers, and other shameless grifters.

    (It used to be ‘patriotism’ but we’re dealing with a breed of people where anything involving ‘defending America’s national interest’ burns them too much to even pretend at.)

    Steppe Nomad (7edcb9)

  137. Once it became part of the fisa warrant and the intelligence estimate it became govt policy

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. This is why she’s no longer minister:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/27/amber-rudd-perplexed-isil-beatles-death-penalty-decision/

    Come across this wannabe le carre James wolf, good grief is they all this muddle headed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. Clinton was protected, she’s one of them. Trump is not. He’s the Great Disruptor, as far as they are concerned and they’ll not have it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. To use an asimov metaphor he is rhe mule, who gets in the brilliant hari seldons calculations.

    Narciso (2b46f5)

  141. Al sheikhs attorney is under the delusion he os daniel day lewis

    Narciso (2b46f5)

  142. Every day is Wile E. Coyote Day with the Democrats, their media operatives and NeverTrump.

    And you know who is teh Road Runner.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. They keep hanging over the cliff with the question mark?

    Narciso (2b46f5)

  144. =Haikhrushchev= Andropovheit!

    Vladimir, Vladimir, on the Kremlin Wall; who is the the Reddest Colonel of all?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  145. I’m beginning to think it’s you.

    ropelight (f8d668)

  146. He is Johnny one note, from the gong show.

    Narciso (2b46f5)

  147. republican party is now 90% trump supporting populists. the other 10% libertarian conservatives neo-con artists free traders don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

    The other 50% of the party left some time ago. Generally, people heading for the exits is not a good reflection on the speaker.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  148. And Trump will play coy over the question of whether or not he thinks the Constitution is the final word on whether or not he’s legally able to run for a third term.

    CASCA

    Why, there was a crown offered him: and being
    offered him, he put it by with the back of his hand,
    thus; and then the people fell a-shouting.

    BRUTUS

    What was the second noise for?

    CASCA

    Why, for that too.

    CASSIUS

    They shouted thrice: what was the last cry for?

    CASCA

    Why, for that too.

    BRUTUS

    Was the crown offered him thrice?

    CASCA

    Ay, marry, was’t, and he put it by thrice, every
    time gentler than other, and at every putting-by
    mine honest neighbours shouted.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  149. i’d much much much rather have leprosy than cancer

    In some cases cancer is the better bet.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  150. but the treatments for leprechauns is really reliable

    when was the last time you seen a leprechaun going hey where’s muh digits

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. This is some great American Music.

    If you don’t like it you’re probably a Commie.

    If you’re a Commie YOU GO TO HELL!!! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!

    Sometimes I borrow the Capslock from my new friend IRL. His name is GUS.

    I don’t know if this is a standard or original.

    Chris Rodrigues & the Spoon Lady Angels in Heaven

    Pinandpuller (398fdd)

  152. love that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. “It’s 105 degrees as I stand with Rep. Devin Nunes on his family’s dairy farm. Mr. Nunes has been feeling even more heat in Washington, where as chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence he has labored to unearth the truth about the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s activities during and after the 2016 presidential campaign.

    Thanks in large part to his work, we now know that the FBI used informants against Donald Trump’s campaign, that it obtained surveillance warrants based on opposition research conducted for Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and that after the election Obama administration officials “unmasked” and monitored the incoming team.

    Mr. Nunes’s efforts have provoked extraordinary partisan and institutional fury in Washington—across the aisle, in the FBI and other law-enforcement and intelligence agencies, in the media. “On any given day there are dozens of attacks, each one wilder in its claims,” he says. Why does he keep at it? “First of all, because it’s my job. This is a basic congressional investigation, and we follow the facts,” he says. The “bigger picture,” he adds, is that in “a lot of the bad and problematic countries” that Intelligence Committee members investigate, “this is what they do there. There is a political party that controls the intelligence agencies, controls the media, all to ensure that party stays in power. If we get to that here, we no longer have a functioning republic. We can’t let that happen.” . . .”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/devin-nunes-washingtons-public-enemy-no-1-1532729666?redirect=amp

    harkin (b524bb)

  154. The intelligence communities are rightly dinged for using rafi awan (curveball) info in making the wmd assessment, but we weren’t told he was a 10 year German intelligence and subsequently when he was cut off from said funds, he sued in German courts and was reinstated, the late Mr. Drumheller lied to drogin

    Narciso (af2f86)

  155. So it turns out, mercury has not been given the scrutiny that manafort has:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lachlan/status/1023182679934742528

    Narciso (af2f86)

  156. I am so glad the US of A has never interfered in any other Country’s elections.

    msl (a8c328)

  157. Of course, it’s not the same thing.

    Narciso (af2f86)

  158. Patrick

    You are an expert on how witnesses are perceived and was wondering if you believe the Cohen that testified to Congress on the matter or the Cohen who is supposed to have changed his tune.
    I’d say for Cohen to be believable now he’d have to have a tape that is terrifically clear, but either way Cohen would be seen by a jury as a liar.

    To win me over as a prosecutor and if you had Cohen’s tape with Trump on it very clearly showing Trumps personal involvement in the specifics of the specific matter, leave Cohen out of it as much as possible. His lying would put a stink on it, and the more I saw of him the more my brain would tell my nose that there is a stink on that skunk.
    Some tape where Trump talks about people meeting with Russians without both exacting context and time frame would, to me, be nothing. It could be a conversation about something else which would be a reasonable doubt

    steveg (a9dcab)

  159. From that last link, apparently mercury is unimpeded in its lobbying exploits wonder why?

    Narciso (af2f86)

  160. @150 I’m beginning to think… There’s no evidence to support that assertion.

    @151. Cheap whine; bitter dregs.

    Time for the Colludin’ Cuban’s daily dose: it’s worth repeating this over and over for all complicit Putinites – as is Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    Traitor Trump strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Russia’s Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped his azz w/t U.S. flag.
    _______

    Wake up and smell yourself; snap out of it, Traitorous Trumpanovs all:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YeQtMAH0U

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  161. The Trump administration has not filled out multiple staff members in the White House. That is effectively cutting the size of the government.

    If Trump were “effectively cutting the size of the government”, then you would see spending as a percent of GDP go down over time, but it’s not. It’s going up, from 20.8% of GDP in 2017 to 23.6% of GDP in 2028, chewing up that much larger a piece of our economic pie.
    While it’s nice to lessen the regulatory burden and to not fill certain positions, the bottom line is that Trump is not a conservative on spending or on fiscal discipline or on shrinking the size of our government. Based on his current track, budget deficit will move from 3.5% to 5.1% of GDP. This is not the conservatism I knew and came up with.
    Just a couple of weeks earlier, he proposed increasing our defense spending to 4.0% of GDP. Last week, he proposed a $12 billion corporate welfare plan to counter the effects of his tariffs on the ag sector. This isn’t shrinking anything, it’s corporate cronyism, and Mr. Will has a point.

    Paul Montagu (1ff0e3)


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