Patterico's Pontifications

7/21/2018

Have You Ever Heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Morons!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:36 am

President Donald J. “Vizzini” Trump weighs in on the news, obviously leaked by his team, that the feds have a recording of him and Michael Cohen discussing a hush money payment to Karen McDougal:

He keeps using that word. Etc.

Always remember and never forget: “We have no knowledge of any of this.”

And Thomas Jefferson did lots of things wrong.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

133 Responses to “Have You Ever Heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Morons!”

  1. That Trump, he can fuss.
    Fuss, fuss… I think he like to scream at us.
    Probably he means no harm.
    He’s really very short on charm.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  2. Anybody want a peanut?

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  3. I love him so much. He doesn’t let the hot and horny men and women of the perverted fbi bully him.

    And that sets a very good example for America.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. How is this enquiry related to Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia?

    If it’s unreated to Trump/Russian collusion then it’s evidence of Mueller’s personal Witch Hunt on Uncle Sam’s dime.

    ropelight (4cefba)

  5. Quick question Mr. Patterico,

    Has your office ever conducted an early morning raid on a subject’s attorney?

    No snark or gotcha intended – really would like to know

    bendover (1b807d)

  6. It isn’t now khuzaimi would never be unethical, 75% of Cohen’s communications were ruled inadmissible but does that matter.

    Narciso (eca941)

  7. He doesn’t let the hot and horny men and women of the perverted fbi bully him.

    Of course not. He’s a rich guy. He can afford his own private dominatrix.

    And when they get behind closed doors
    And she lets the whip hang down
    And makes him lick her 6-inch stilletos
    Then she makes him glad he put on Depends
    Oh nobody knows what goes on behind ball gags

    nk (dbc370)

  8. If Trump’s team leaked it, he’s waived the attorney-client privilege. It will be vewy interestink.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. I’m Your Puppet We’re Your Puppets (#NeverTrump Song)

    Pull the string and we’ll dance for you, we’re your puppets
    We’ll do suck-up things if you want us to, we’re your puppets

    We’re yours to command and mold
    Lefties you’ve got full control of your puppets

    Pull another string and we’ll kiss your ass, we’re your puppets
    Snap your fingers and we’ll give Trump some sass, we’re your puppets

    Listen, your every wish is our command
    All you gotta do is wiggle your little hand
    We’re your puppets , we’re your puppets

    We’re just some toys, just some assclown boys
    That do your bidding, cuz you’re blue

    We’ll be wonderful, do just what we’re told
    we’ll do anything for you
    we’re your puppets , we’re your puppets

    Pull them little strings and we’ll sing your sad song, we’re your puppets
    Used to be right, but now we do wrong, we’re your puppets

    Virtue Signaling, we’ll do anything
    We’re just some puppets and you hold our strings, we’re your puppets

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. Ok, that theory, that Trump’s team leaked it, is from the usual suspects, Cuomo, Maddow, MSNBC, Vanity Fair, and is based on ignorance of attorney-client privilege. It’s not Cohen’s privilege, it’s Trump’s, and Cohen could not use it as a bargaining chip in his prosecution.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. Quick question Mr. Patterico,

    Has your office ever conducted an early morning raid on a subject’s attorney?

    No snark or gotcha intended – really would like to know

    bendover (1b807d) — 7/21/2018 @ 9:53 am

    He never goes into detail about his job and he probably cannot. This isn’t “details about a prosecutor’s work” blog. It’s mostly a national politics blog these days.

    Definitely agree that’s a fascinating question, but there’s a very low chance Patterico can answer it.

    I will say this: there are a lot of lawyers and a lot of them are also criminals. There would be no way to catch them if being a lawyer were a protection from searches. If they did the raid, they had a warrant. Donald Trump is largely above the law as a functional matter, but Cohen is not.

    I also do not see how Cohen recording conversations breaches an confidentiality, and you would be an idiot not to record your conversations with Trump, but I can easily see how that might be privileged and only usable to show someone lied or some other exceptional scenario like that.

    I see this cacophony from Trump’s fans to “SHUT IT DOWN” as the evidence mounts and mounts against Trump. There’s this propaganda campaign that the desperation to shut it down, as the evidence mounts, is because “no evidence has been found.” At the same time, the evidence bizarrely links a lot of Trump’s inner circle to Hillary’s.

    America truly was let down by the primary processes in both parties. We have many problems, but that’s the ultimate source. The GOP must reform its primary process somehow, and urgently.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  12. He doesn’t let the hot and horny men and women of the perverted fbi bully him.

    And that sets a very good example for America.

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2018 @ 9:51 am

    Indeed, Trump sets a high example for America when it comes to not being a “horny pervert” or a “bully” to use your terms. Yes this is totally reasonable to say. Good job Trump on these matters and on standing up to Russia, not to mention balancing the budget and having great hair.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  13. “If Trump’s team leaked it, he’s waived the attorney-client privilege. It will be vewy interestink.”

    Would Trump’s team know to leak that he was being recorded if there weren’t already leaks from the Special Counsel that they discovered recorded message, and if so, would leaking them by the special counsel in order to force a breach of attorney-client privilege constitute entrapment?

    “I see this cacophony from Trump’s fans to “SHUT IT DOWN” as the evidence mounts and mounts against Trump”

    Evidence of which well-known crime, exactly? All I’m seeing is a legal fishing expedition by largely Democrat operatives to gather whatever dirt they have on either Trump’s team or whatever Republicans they can find and get great “secret testimony plus immunity” deals for pedo-curious Democrats like Podesta so they can do it all again the next election cycle.

    Steppe Nomad (0a779e)

  14. You mean the Podesta tied at the hip to Trump’s man Manafort?

    You mean the collusion between Russia and Trump’s campaign to leak classified state department material to skew an election?

    I get it, man. These are great days to be a Trump critic or Nevertrumper or whatever you want to call patriotic Americans who don’t support betraying our nation to a KGB Dictator. Great days.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  15. Quick question Mr. Patterico,

    Has your office ever conducted an early morning raid on a subject’s attorney?

    I can’t speak to what my office does. I doubt such raids are INCONCEIVABLE.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  16. Would Trump’s team know to leak that he was being recorded if there weren’t already leaks from the Special Counsel that they discovered recorded message, and if so, would leaking them by the special counsel in order to force a breach of attorney-client privilege constitute entrapment?

    Who are you? I feel as if I should know you.

    To answer your question, the Special Master in charge of examining Cohen’s files is informing all of Cohen’s clients of things found in those files which concern them. At least those clients which have shown up and admitted to being Cohen’s clients.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. And Special Counsel is not involved in this. It’s the Federal DA for Manhattan (SDNY).

    nk (dbc370)

  18. And I don’t think it was an early morning “raid”. According to Cohen himself, he was there, showed the FBI where everything was, and thanked them when they were finished.

    nk (dbc370)

  19. I am doubting my own theory that Trump has memory problems (dementia). I think he’s relying that enough of his supporters do.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. On Thursday, 7/19/2018, the Coolidge-Reagan Founation filed a Federal Elections Complaint against Hillary’s Campaign, Perkins Coie, and Christopher Steele for vioations of the campaign finance laws.

    The complaint alleges that Hillary’s campaign used the Democrat Party’s financial mechanisms to conceal seripitious payments to Fusion GPS, and their subsequent hidden payments to foreign agent, Christopher Steele, all in a conspiracy which was in violation of both campaign finance law and basic decency in order to manipulate the election.

    ropelight (4cefba)

  21. . According to Cohen himself, he was there, showed the FBI where everything was, and thanked them when they were finished.

    nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2018 @ 10:36 am

    Bwahahahahahahahaha

    Those two Cohen and Trump really deserve eachother. Cohen better hope Putin doesn’t get to him.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  22. It’s khuzaimi, associate of fitz going back to sheikh Rahman (blind evil santa) colleague of Mrs strzok, Cohen had previously been targeted by fusion, and he sure them them dan Jones who may be a source ahem for Zoey leaked to mcclatchy.

    Narciso (a0b92f)

  23. AS
    ___YOU
    ______WIIISSHH….

    The Special Master, based on the amount of data released to prosecutors, is flatly stating that Michael Cohen was not acting as Trump’s attorney. Attorney client privilege is a specific thing. Just because you talk to your lawyer doesn’t make it privileged, also, an attorney who is involved with his client in an ongoing criminal enterprise doesn’t have privilege, this happens quite regularly.

    Also, Rudy Giuliani was the source of the leak to the NYT, as he was the one saying the audio was “exculpatory” although I would submit that the word doesn’t mean what he think it means.

    Also Also, the Special Council investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, “and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation”, and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction.

    The “and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the campaign” seems pretty cut and dried.

    Also also also, there is not charge of “collusion” there will never be an investigation of “collusion”. There is an investigation into the crimes committed in the interference in the 2016 election. Last weeks indictment define the underlying crimes, now they’re going after the people connected to that crime, then they will go after those that covered up said crimes. This is a very straightforward criminal investigation. If they discover additional crimes; Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, etc, they’re spinning those out either with new threads or sending them to other districts for prosecution, remember Cohen isn’t being prosecuted by Mueller.

    There are other investigations ongoing as well, the Mariia Butina NRA money laundering and influence peddling comes to mind.

    There have been more indictments, trials, and convictions, in the 14 months its been ongoing, you know, not 7 years like Whitewater, 4 years like Scooter Libby, 7 years like Iran/Contra, the average being 54 months.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  24. But as for lanny as of last December he was counsel to a real life oligarch firtash he got some grandees to vouch for him so he wouldn’t be extradited, who handled that case Lisa page.

    Narciso (a0b92f)

  25. So all the people who were involved in Clinton’s server crimes, the bleach-bit bit, the destruction and attempted destruction of evidence – all Democrats – get immunity from prosecution and now Podesta… the man presumably guilty of the same crimes as his former business partner, Manafort, who is currently behind bars… Democrat Podesta gets immunity.

    Some notice this inconsistency. Some – question their lucidity or honesty if you will – ignore it.

    Robert Mueller should be shown the door, he’s on a fishing expedition and he’s mocking both our justice system and the American democratic processes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. So, Captain, sir, your favorite President is Putin, and he did nothing wrong?!?! Pshaw… get the Helsinki outta here!

    No sir.

    You’re not going to distract with salacious tweets over boffing bimbos. You’re not going to be permitted to get away with this one.

    It’s good you essentially neutered the modern conservative movement, cooked the odd set of weenies, fried Tedtoo’s Canadian bacon, sidelined the Bushes, humiliated the Clintons and upstaged Reagan while peeing on his grave. The house cleaning was overdue. You were handed you a list and a center right court was expected and a modest price to pay; what do you care, anyway; you’re 72 and will be dead and gone. Besides, letting others do your thinking for you frees up time to plan more TV spectaculars. And if you want to sh!t on your personal reputation, diddle porn stars, screw Playboy bunnies and screw over your wife, humiliate your ex-wives, your kids and crave a Forbes spanking or two like the proud New Yorker you are, fine. It’s grand entertainment and long time Big Apple metro area residents have known your shtick and seen the act for decades; we know it was Steinbrenner, Helmsley and you, Captain, sir, who ran Steady Eddie Koch’s New York w/assists from Reggie, Billy and Yogi. And you know just as we know, that in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained. It has been one helluva ratings grabbing show so far, eh, Captain, sir?!

    But what you, sir, Traitor Trump, did in Helsinki to all Americans is completely, totally and unconditionally unforgivable.

    Those who’ve had some international exposure/experience at varying levels of business and government know the drill and directives all too well; even the most mundane American tourist understands they’re representing the country when travelling and interacting overseas. Whether you, Traitor Trump, realize it or not, you have diminished respect and leverage for all American citizens and interests; you have endangered them on levels you do not really comprehend. You can’t pay hush money to buy yourself out of this one.

    You will not be allowed to move on and get away with this, jackass, sir. You do not get a mulligan or a do-over; there are no second chances to make a first impression, particularly after boasting you have been ‘preparing for this his whole life,’ jackass, sir. You cannot talk your way out of this w/word play, jackass, sir, or bribe the American people. And anybody who tries to help you spin it– at mother ship Fox; on blogs, on editorial boards, in White House press briefings, around Cabinet tables, in Congressional cloak rooms, in bars or otherwise- is essentially complicit; enablers– colluders all. Real life is a bitch when covered ‘live’ and you can’t edit it before broadcast, jackass, sir.

    You will not be allowed to distract from this. It’s commands repeating this to you over and over, Captain, sir- as is Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    You sir, Traitor Trump, strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped your pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped your azz w/t U.S. flag.

    And what makes it worse, if that’s possible, is after stating how persuasive an argument Putin made of his innocence to you, Traitor Trump, you knew he was lying and you have been completely aware- for 18 months- the KGB-trained Russian was personally involved with hacking into American elections and lied to your face. Then in turn, with the world watching, you sir, Traitor Trump, lied to the American people and the entire world again, after raking America’s long-time allies over the coals.

    This is absolutely unacceptable.

    You took a day or two to mull over whether to turn American citizens over to Russia for ‘interrogation;’ a death sentence. Are you brain dead, Captain, sir, or a colossal colluder? And now you, Traitor Trump, have invited Putin into the White House. Has dementia take full root or are you rewarding your favorite President for services rendered– getting you elected?

    All Americans who care about their country cannot accept this crap any longer. You have crossed a line. You have dropped the yellow dye marker, Captain, sir. There is no ‘deep state’ But it’s a cinch you, Traitor Trump, are in ‘deep sh!t.’ And when Marine Mueller drops his ‘follow the laundered money’ report, more will hit the fan.

    So as you hand shake, back slap and kiss Putin on both cheeks of his butt, attempting to assure long term financing for your Trump Empire, consider what your supposed ‘hero,’ Traitor Trump, the one you praised at rally after rally, would have said about meeting up face to face with a murderous dictator; the kind you’ve sold America out to…

    “I’m gonna personally shoot that paper-hanging sunnuvabitch!” – Gen. George S. Patton [George C. Scott] ‘Patton’ 1970

    It’s Fruit Loops, bananas and skim milk from now on; no more ice cream and strawberries for you, Captain, sir. You’re cut off.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. Fitz played favorites too, empowered by Coney, quelled surprise, he protected Armitage radler (when able) obama, went after conrad Libby and some waterboys on daletlys staff.

    Narciso (a0b92f)

  28. Waaaa, whatabout whatabout whatabout. Those pathetic tears of yours and the shrieking about not president Clinton are just annoying. Like that couple who brings their 2 year old to the movies. Get over it, Trump won, he is the president, and these are people he appointed, and these are the things he’s being investigated for. If he wanted he could direct an investigation into Clinton since the DOJ is part of the Executive branch, he’s not, why is that?

    Call a Waaambulance (6e7a1c)

  29. What kind of bleach did he use, Clorex, how do you go about bleaching a server?

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  30. @25. =Haikumakov!= Gesundheitski!

    Red Colonel: Colluding, Complicit, Comradeski and Pinko: CCCP.

    Hit the showers, Red. You still stink from bein dumped on at Helsinki. Traitor Trump lied to the American people and the entire world and you distract to defend.

    Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. Have you ever… been to Electric Ladyland? https://vimeo.com/222567092

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. “What kind of bleach did he use, Clorex, how do you go about bleaching a server?”

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c) — 7/21/2018 @ 11:25 am

    Prolly used the same stuff you use on yer bunghole for teh gay porn movies…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. Sorry, that was mean-spirited and I denounce myself for it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. Tanner does seem dim, maybe he’s on the rebound from allegra budenmayer.

    Narciso (a0b92f)

  35. shrieking about not president Clinton are just annoying

    See, it’s not shrieking. It’s just calm, reasoned examination of Trump’s calling the USA stupid while praising the KGB dictator like the second coming of Jane Fonda.

    If Hillary did this, I would say exactly the same thing about her, but she’s not the president and she’s not relevant to Trump’s conduct today. To you, all that matters is that the guy being criticized is team R and not team D, and therefore criticizing Team R is “just like annoying, becky”.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  36. I thought immunity was given in exchange for information to convict those guilty of larger crimes. About a dozen Democrats have been given immunity and not want indictment let alone conviction.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  37. That’s what I thought. First, you don’t “bleach” a server. To bleach is technical slang term. You don’t do it a “server”, you do it to a hard drive. It’s been around for literally decades with magnetic media, its the process of overwriting all sectors on a physical platter.

    And, who cares, this is now five years old, and she’s not President, so whataboutism is a weak defense for someones bad behavior. I know you are but what am I.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  38. …I can’t speak to what my office does. I doubt such raids are INCOfounNCEIVABLE.

    Patterico (3cd31a) — 7/21/2018 @ 10:28 am

    I don’t think such rids are inconceivable. But I would have stopped them them as soon as I found out about them. And I trust you would have done the same. Also the culture was things like this
    just didn’t happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=411-ZvPOwDg

    Naval Aviation Crash Landings: Safety is Your Business 1965 US Navy Pilot Training

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  39. “That’s what I thought. First, you don’t “bleach” a server”

    Who said you did? Oh, that’s right… YOU asked about Clorox bleach.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. is it true, you lose an inch in height every time one ejects?

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. Actually I said Clorex, kind of a giveaway, unless your a maroon. You know, Bermudan anti colonial fighter.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  42. Anyone who has ever had to roll/return a leased laptop in the business world knows how the cleaning works.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. Meghan’s coward daddy would be three feet tall

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. 34… yep, narciso. “Dim” is a polite description.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. well it’s allegra budenmayer, and lyndon Johnson and the war,

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. they would have already shipped off to the colonies if this were true:

    https://twitter.com/derekahunter/status/1020694669297057797

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. In California, a search warrant may be appropriate for a lawyer if reasonably suspected of engaging in a crime.

    If not, a search warrant of a law office requires a Special Master accompany law enforcement to prevent law enforcement from getting its hands on information unrelated to the object of the search warrant, i.e. protect the rights of citizens. This provision would have been appropriate when Samantha Power was engaging in her wholesale unmasking project.

    A list of Special Masters is provided by the State Bar. In California, a judge must authorize any service between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. which is known as nighttime service.

    Penal Code Sec. 1524 spells out the requirements for Special Masters on search warrants involving lawyers, doctors, priests, psychotherapists etc.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  48. “And, who cares, this is now five years old,”

    Everything they have on Trump people is older than that. Government corruption doesn’t have a statue of limitations for being wrong.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  49. this is just cool

    The eerie outlines of long-vanished structures and monuments are showing up across the British Isles.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. I’m conflicted whether he is juicebox or lovey, he seems denser than both,

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. narciso… these off-their-rockers entertainment types are detestable and should be vilified for being the scum they truly are.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. I have heard off all three. Plato, aristotle and socraties. I have even heard of thomas jefferson. the first three gentleman had no problem with slavery and jefferson owned slaves. When boswell asked dr. samuel johnson what he thought of the american revolution going on at the time he said “I observe those who scram the loudest about freedom and liberty are the slave holding southerners!” Nuff said.

    wendell (6de0ba)

  53. Quick question Mr. Patterico,

    Has your office ever conducted an early morning raid on a subject’s attorney?

    I can’t speak to what my office does. I doubt such raids are INCONCEIVABLE.
    Patterico (3cd31a) — 7/21/2018 @ 10:28 am

    Can’t or won’t? Serious question. I know you mostly choose not to discuss your day job or the actions of your office, and I don’t fault you for that.

    But, wouldn’t a search warrant/raid be public info, that you could acknowledge if you chose to do so? Of course, the reasoning behind the decision to get the warrant or when to conduct the raid might very well be confidential, but I would think that just the fact of the raid itself would normally be something that you could acknowledge, assuming you knew. Though, perhaps you don’t make it your business to keep track of the timing of all the raids conducted by your office on cases that you aren’t personally involved with.

    Anon Y. Mous (acdecf)

  54. @49. Haunting, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. Narciso, you might want to check on how many people here follow Iowahawk. The ones who don’t probably have no idea of who Allegra is.

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  56. I don’t know New York law but I suspect Cohen taping a client without the client’s knowledge might well be a crime. So I would guess that Trump is wrong to say it is inconceivable but right to say it is illegal.
    Of course, Cohen might have put into his retainer agreement something that permitted unannounced recording at any time. But that would assume Cohen is smart enough to protect himself that way.

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  57. I do know New York law and it is a single party state and not a crime.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  58. 59
    Thanks.

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  59. #53, Southerners were the only American Revolutionaries who could read and write.

    ropelight (c6b0ae)

  60. Harvard was founded fifty years before William and Mary.
    Of the 8 Ivy League schools, only one was founded after the Revolution (Cornell, in 1865). All 8 are in New England or the MidAtlantic states. Jefferson founded UVa in 1819.

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  61. Red alert
    The NYT has released the Carter Page FISA application it received via a FOIA request, but the document is heavily redacted. Flipping through the unredacted parts, the only thing I notice that was not public knowledge before now is that the application was signed off on by Comey and then Yates.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html#click=https://t.co/SdFCV6Lyvb

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  62. Gee… who would’ve guessed those two were involved, kishnevi.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. You mean the two people who where in charge of the FBI and DOJ? Who else would have signed off? Sessions and a time machine?

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  64. I think people speculated that Rosenstein signed off on it.

    kishnevi (2cd130)

  65. He signed off the third one, so what is the evidence, its left unclear.

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. Kishnevi I despise my self.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  67. 65… Biff knows that fools rush in and that’s why he’s always in such a hurry.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. Can’t or won’t? Serious question. I know you mostly choose not to discuss your day job or the actions of your office, and I don’t fault you for that.

    But, wouldn’t a search warrant/raid be public info, that you could acknowledge if you chose to do so? Of course, the reasoning behind the decision to get the warrant or when to conduct the raid might very well be confidential, but I would think that just the fact of the raid itself would normally be something that you could acknowledge, assuming you knew. Though, perhaps you don’t make it your business to keep track of the timing of all the raids conducted by your office on cases that you aren’t personally involved with.

    Can’t. Probably wouldn’t if I could.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  69. So comrade private, distinctly true things like NY being a single party state that anyone can google in like 3 seconds is foolish?

    It is the sign of a true ignoramus, that he simultaneous can’t even bother with 3 seconds of research, then trolls like 13 year old boy playing call of duty in his mommy’s basement, when informed that it was only 3 seconds.

    But your typical whataboutism, er, I know you are but what am I, is showing.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  70. You r cruel.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  71. I’ve not been a Chevy guy but I will make exceptions.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  72. Not that I dont believe you biff

    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/new-york-recording-law

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Coronello, I admit it I am a liar, My last hot rod was a Chevy El Camino. More weight over the rear wheels than the Chevelle.

    If you can, forgive me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  74. “Obviously”?

    How so?

    steveg (a9dcab)

  75. “obviously leaked by his team”

    How so?

    Doesn’t this require some small bit of substantiation or is it your opinion I’m to find obvious?

    steveg (a9dcab)

  76. I have been promiscuous when it comes to cars. I say I’m Mopar. But I’m also an Alfisti.

    https://www.alfisti.net/alfa-forum/

    Then there’s the Mercury Capri.

    I’m a slut.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  77. Um did you even read the law you silly fool.

    New York’s wiretapping law is a “one-party consent” law. New York makes it a crime to record to record or eavesdrop on an in-person or telephone conversation unless one party to the conversation consents. N.Y. Penal Law §§ 250.00, 250.05. (link is to the entire code, you need to click on the Penal Code section, then choose Article 250 and locate the specific provisions). Thus, if you operate in New York, you may record a conversation or phone call if you are a party to the conversation or you get permission from one party to the conversation in advance. That said, if you intend to record conversations involving people located in more than one state, you should play it safe and get the consent of all parties.

    http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/navigate.cgi

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  78. Did you read how the 2nd circuit interprets the law, for news gathering purposes, for public meetings

    Narciso (a245e7)

  79. Steve, if I wouldn’t require a hoist or crane to remove me from the driver’s seat, I would be driving a 4C Spider.

    Getting in one at my age is bad enough, getting out of one is punishing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. Oh you silly rabbit. 2nd circuit is unimportant as that only actually applies to actual court hearings, in the actual physical courtroom as required under federal law.

    Again, 3 seconds of google, or actually read the rest of the sentence in the posted link.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  81. Coronello, if you want to borrow a cherry picker and can make it to North Texas, I’m your man.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. LOL, Steve!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. I also have an engine stand. Or two.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. Seriously, if driving that car doesn’t put a smile on your face, you don’t like cars.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. “And, who cares, this is now five years old, and she’s not President, so whataboutism is a weak defense for someones bad behavior. I know you are but what am I.”

    Yeah! If Hillary had won she’d have been indicted as well as numerous members of her staff!!

    LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    That’s the real issue, the complete double standard of the government officials sworn to uphold and enforce the law.

    harkin (f58543)

  86. Just like with Lois lerner, she stalls past the statute of limitations,

    Narciso (a245e7)

  87. Single party is also the Constitutional standard. And in Illinois, and I think California too, people who have challenged “consent of all parties” provisions have prevailed in some instances. Recording police stops is one I know of for sure.

    But just because it’s legal, it does not mean that it’s ethical (and ethical includes competent) for an attorney to do it to his client without the client’s knowledge. I wouldn’t do it. Neither would Perry Mason. He would either point to Della sitting there with her stenopad and taking notes, or to his dictaphone and inform the client that Della was busy right now but that she would transcribe their taped conversation later.

    Cohen really is a taxi fleet operator with a law license. Not an attorney.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. That was the pretext, for khuzaimi who nabbed no high profile subprime player to conduct the search.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  89. “See, it’s not shrieking. It’s just calm, reasoned examination of Trump’s calling the USA stupid while praising the KGB dictator like the second coming of Jane Fonda.”

    WE ARE THE PARTY OF CALM, REASONABLE HYPERBOLE.

    “It’s Fruit Loops, bananas and skim milk from now on; no more ice cream and strawberries for you, Captain, sir. You’re cut off.”

    WE ARE ALSO THE PARTY OF STAFF OFFICERS WHO ARE NOT AT ALL JEALOUS OF THEIR LEADERS AND NOT AT ALL LIKELY TO INDULGE IN HILARIOUSLY OVERBLOWN ‘INTERVENTION’ FANTASIES IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY FOLLOWERS WHO WOULD SUPPORT US IN OUR INCREASINGLY ELABORATE AND GRANDIOSE BLAME-SHIFTING NARRATIVES.

    Meanwhile in the reality where all the verifiable and consequential collusion to fix elections is among the FBI and DOJ higher-ups do GET DRUMPF:

    “Chuck Ross
    ‏ @ChuckRossDC
    2h2 hours ago

    FBI represented to a federal judge that investigators knew for certain that Carter Page met w/ Igor Sechin and Diveykin. Except, the FISA app acknowledges this intel came from Steele dossier. And FBI has acknowledged dossier was not verified. ”

    The documents released today, obviously, were heavily redacted, omitting even things like ‘what criminal statute Carter Page was supposed to be charged under’ and ‘what the declassification date of the document was.’ Pretty common story with this Special Counsel!

    So now, if Cohen the mob lawyer turns out to have recorded his client in violation of the rules of professional responsibility and the tapes conveniently portray the client as adhering to the law he’s alleged to have violated…

    …where exactly is Trump wrong in this Tweet, again?

    Steppe Nomad (9f8874)

  90. NK, that’s also the most likely reason the special master threw out almost all of the attorney client privilege arguments. It appears that he is, in fact, not an attorney in any meaningful way.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  91. Right you can targeted without cause ask Dr. Hatfill for 3 1/2 years, have a 5.5 million fine, and then it’s not held against the prosecutor,

    You can destroy an entire big 8 accounting firm, be admonished by the judge, yet it isn’t considered when hiring, btw the current director was weissmans boss.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  92. #62, kishnivi, like most colleges founded before the Civil War, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and the University of Virginia were financed from the profits of the slave trade, either directly from the sale of slaves or from the products slave labor produced.

    Massachusetts was the first colony to legalize slavery in 1641. Many, if not most New England family fortunes derived from the Triangular Trade itself, or from ship building, outfitting, insuring, financing, or from processing slave produced raw materials for export, like cotton.

    In March 2017 Harvard University publicly acknowledged it’s deep ties to colonial-era slavery. The facts are clear, slavery was the engine of funding for nearly all the colleges founded in the original 13 colonies, and many others founded prior to the Civil War.

    ropelight (c6b0ae)

  93. It was sadly a source of collateral, like the opium that would stake hsbc baring bank and the delano family fortune.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  94. It’s Horseschiffgate!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. Horse sense if you will permit me coronelllo.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  96. “Do you think Trump’s open betrayal of our country in Helsinki did anything to make future attacks less likely?”

    Not sure, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

    “Hostile states will decide whether and how extensively to conduct such operations based on the perceived risk to themselves if exposed.”

    Hostile, non-hostile, frenemy, allied, and purportedly ‘friendly’ states will do them whenever they can get away with them, and people who aren’t pushing for WAR will apply such punishments or lack thereof as they deem necessary.

    “By announcing that you can interfere with impunity, even when caught red-handed, as long as you support him, hasn’t Trump completely eliminated any disincentive for doing what the Russians did in 2016?”

    He has done nothing of the sort and all of your vague and unsourced assertions are two or three levels of question-begging deep.

    “By doing Putin’s bidding, covering up and denying the attack on our country, working non-stop to interfere with and discredit the investigation, and inventing alibis for Putin’s lady-boy coward-pig hackers, hasn’t he, in addition, become an accessory after the fact?”

    The Chief Executive of the United States Of America may choose to be friendly or unfriendly with whoever he wishes, according to his designs on American foreign policy, and no matter how much the current crop of civil servants hates it. Unless Congress exercises it ability to Declare War on Russia, any charges of Levying Aid And Comfort To America’s Enemies is baseless on its face.

    And if you try to gin up a Real Impeachment on your Fake Treason charges, do keep in mind that a large number of people will take great pleasure in fully exploring the options for Real Execution for Sedition Against the United States. The Acts are still on the books and the judges are moving to the bench even as we speak.

    We are, after all, originalists and textualists.

    Steppe Nomad (37a8c4)

  97. Be seated.

    Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bullshit. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

    You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would be killed in a major battle. Every man is scared in his first action. If he says he’s not, he’s a goddamn liar. But the real hero is the man who fights even though he’s scared. Some men will get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour, and for some it takes days. But the real man never lets his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood.

    All through your army career you men have bitched about what you call ‘this chicken-shit drilling.’ That is all for a purpose—to ensure instant obedience to orders and to create constant alertness. This must be bred into every soldier. I don’t give a fuck for a man who is not always on his toes. But the drilling has made veterans of all you men. You are ready! A man has to be alert all the time if he expects to keep on breathing. If not, some German son-of-a-bitch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of shit. There are four hundred neatly marked graves in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job—but they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before his officer did.

    An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is bullshit. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know any more about real battle than they do about fucking. And we have the best team—we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor bastards we’re going up against.

    All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don’t ever let up. Don’t ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn’t like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, ‘Hell, they won’t miss me, just one man in thousands.’ What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don’t say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn’t a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shits, has a job to do.

    Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don’t want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, goddamn cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we’ll have a nation of brave men.

    One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered, ‘Fixing the wire, sir.’ ‘Isn’t it a little unhealthy up there right now?’ I asked. ‘Yes sir, but this goddamn wire has got to be fixed.’ I asked, ‘Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you?’ And he answered, ‘No sir, but you sure as hell do.’ Now, there was a real soldier. A real man. A man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty appeared at the time.

    And you should have seen the trucks on the road to Gabès. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they crawled along those son-of-a-bitch roads, never stopping, never deviating from their course with shells bursting all around them. Many of the men drove over 40 consecutive hours. We got through on good old American guts. These were not combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost.

    Sure, we all want to go home. We want to get this war over with. But you can’t win a war lying down. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards who started it. We want to get the hell over there and clean the goddamn thing up, and then get at those purple-pissing Japs. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. So keep moving. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler.

    When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually. The hell with that. My men don’t dig foxholes. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. We’ll win this war, but we’ll win it only by fighting and showing the Germans that we’ve got more guts than they have or ever will have. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket.

    Some of you men are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken out under fire. Don’t worry about it. I can assure you that you’ll all do your duty. War is a bloody business, a killing business. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood or they will spill yours. Shoot them in the guts. Rip open their belly. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt from your face and you realize that it’s not dirt, it’s the blood and gut of what was once your best friend, you’ll know what to do.

    I don’t want any messages saying ‘I’m holding my position.’ We’re not holding a goddamned thing. We’re advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding anything except the enemy’s balls. We’re going to hold him by his balls and we’re going to kick him in the ass; twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We’re going to go through the enemy like shit through a tinhorn.

    There will be some complaints that we’re pushing our people too hard. I don’t give a damn about such complaints. I believe that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing harder means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that. My men don’t surrender. I don’t want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That’s not just bullshit either. I want men like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Luger against his chest, swept aside the gun with his hand, jerked his helmet off with the other and busted the hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he picked up the gun and he killed another German. All this time the man had a bullet through his lung. That’s a man for you!

    Don’t forget, you don’t know I’m here at all. No word of that fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell they did with me. I’m not supposed to be commanding this army. I’m not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamned Germans. Some day, I want them to rise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl ‘Ach! It’s the goddamned Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again!’

    Then there’s one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, ‘What did you do in the great World War Two?’ You won’t have to cough and say, ‘Well, your granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.’ No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say ‘Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-bitch named George Patton!’

    All right, you sons of bitches. You know how I feel. I’ll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That’s all.
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    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  98. I hope you don’t cut this out.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  99. https://genius.com/Gen-george-patton-speech-to-the-3rd-army-annotated

    Be seated.

    Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bul**t. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base…

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  100. I confess without shame that I am tired & sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. Even success, the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies. It is only those who have not heard a shot, nor heard the shrills & groans of the wounded & lacerated (friend or foe) that cry aloud for more blood & more vengeance, more desolation & so help me God as a man & soldier I will not strike a foe who stands unarmed & submissive before me but will say ‘Go sin no more.’ — William Tecumseh Sherman

    nk (dbc370)

  101. Who is more sick of the stink of war than I am?

    …and mangled bodies.

    I grew up on the mangled bodies of the Vietnam war.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  102. Patton was a freaking maniac. Or maybe only a freak.

    Notice the ampersand as a contraction for “and” in the Sherman quote? It was proper usage back then, as was writing in cursive. Modern Greek also used it when I learned it 55 years ago, but I don’t know if they still teach it, just like they stopped teaching cursive over here.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. this one time back in olden days smelly old slut queen Elizabeth (dirty british queen) visited Chicago and did a big-ass motorcade all up in it

    this is a picture of her going down adams (pretty sure it’s adams)… not sure which car she was stinking up but this is the motorcade

    if you zoom in guess what you notice

    guys didn’t take off their hats as she passed by!

    and this wasn’t too far after that world war 2 thing back when she was actually kind of popular

    i love that … it speaks to sound sensibilities on the part of the chicago public

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  104. ok I think maybe Wabash?

    happyfeet (62515a)

  105. No, because the el runs over Wabash and it’s all steel girders down the middle, as are Lake, Wells and Van Buren.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. Ok wasn’t sure about the 50s

    happyfeet (62515a)

  107. that miller bar is super legit btw AND

    happyfeet (62515a)

  108. one of their signature things is the Tom and Jerry which is not easy to find in this city and it’s been a holiday favorite since I think it was Mr. bh at protein what learned me about them

    happyfeet (62515a)

  109. Then it is Adams. http://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/restaurants/ct-food-millers-pub-reopened-20180319-story.html Millers did not move to Wabash until 1989. They’re Westbound, so it’s probably after the Queen’s visit to the Art Institute. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/history/ct-queen-elizabeth-chicago-visit-htmlstory.html

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Mayor Daley also violated Royal protocol by sitting to her left at dinner instead of her right. It’s impossible not to violate protocol around these Royal assholes. But the worst was this kid:

    The boy climbed the fire escape
    And got there just in time
    To see Her Wootsie-Tootsie
    In the good old summertime.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. 4. ropelight (4cefba) — 7/21/2018 @ 9:52 am

    If it’s unreated to Trump/Russian collusion then it’s evidence of Mueller’s personal Witch Hunt on Uncle Sam’s dime

    Mueller turned over the this part of the investigation to the Southern District of New York.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/why-robert-mueller-handed-off-the-michael-cohen-raid.html

    The raid was by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, and not directly by Robert Mueller’s special counsel’s office. Mueller’s team referred the case to the U.S. attorney, but the U.S. attorney sought the search warrant and received it only after establishing probable cause. In searches of such high-profile and sensitive subjects, U.S. attorneys usually need approval higher up in the Department of Justice.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  112. 8. nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2018 @ 10:10 am

    8.If Trump’s team leaked it, he’s waived the attorney-client privilege. It will be vewy interestink

    CNBC claimed that Trump’s people leaked it, but I doubt that.

    There is some hidden party here:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-22-18-rep-adam-schiff-tom/story?id=56736271

    DERSHOWITZ: …But I have a question for Michael Avenatti. How do you know that there are other tapes? You’re not in a position where you could possibly know that properly. How do you know there are other tapes involving the president of the United States?

    Are you privy to what was seized from the office? That’s a very important question. I wish you would answer it.

    AVENATTI: Well, Alan, I’m not going to answer your question because I don’t have to answer your question.

    DERSHOWITZ: I didn’t think so.

    AVENATTI: Well, suffice it to say, Alan, that my accuracy rate over the last six months has been a heck of a lot better than yours as it relates to this matter and a whole host of…

    (CROSSTALK)

    DERSHOWITZ: I’m not getting into anything personal, I just want to know…

    AVENATTI: Please don’t interrupt me.

    DERSHOWITZ: … how you know it? Because it’s very important.

    AVENATTI: Alan, Alan, Alan, please don’t interrupt me, OK? My accuracy rate over the last six months has been spot on in this case. And let me tell you this, if I’m wrong, then why don’t we have Mr. Trump or his attorneys come forward today, right now and claim there are no other tapes?

    You’re not going to hear that because…

    DERSHOWITZ: No, my point is…

    AVENATTI: You’re not going to hear that because there are other tapes, period.

    DERSHOWITZ: You miss my point. My point is you’re probably — if you’re right, if you are right, we have a real problem, not if you are wrong. If we’re right, then you have access to information that’s supposed to be sealed and supposed to be secret. How do you have that information? How are you right? How did you get that information that nobody else knows?

    You’re not in a position where you have been given that information properly. So I think you do have an obligation to answer that question.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  113. Avenatti later says that maybe it could ahve come from Michael Cohen. Or one of Michael Cohen’s counsel.

    13.“If Trump’s team leaked it, he’s waived the attorney-client privilege. It will be vewy interestink.”

    STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know, Alan, in terms of this tape, though, the privilege was actually waived by the president’s…

    DERSHOWITZ: Only as to that one tape, not as to other tapes. They were very careful about that. And that’s important. Look, I taught legal ethics for 30 years. These are very, very important and difficult ethical issues. And I think we’re entitled to get to the bottom of whether or not Cohen is revealing lawyer-client material information, what the nature of the cooperation is.

    These are all issues that transcend this particular case and go to the legitimacy of the legal profession.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  114. So, now CNN has the tapes.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape/index.html

    Our host in April:

    What is means is that numerous people in the executive and judicial branches of government thought there was probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime would be found in the office or residence of the President’s lawyer. And that they followed the path laid out in the United States Constitution to learn whether they were right.

    Period. End of discussion.

    Now calm down, and stop going full retard on the partisanship. Stop, wait, think, listen, and learn. Above all, stop. Stop yammering. Stop screaming that we live in Nazi Germany. You sound like idiots.

    Just stop.

    As one of the people who went “full retard” on the Cohen raid and is in NO WAY surprised that some of what they took got leaked to CNN, I wonder when our host might want to reconsider his remarks.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  115. (reposted due to moderation)

    So, now CNN has the tapes.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape/index.html

    Our host in April:

    What is means is that numerous people in the executive and judicial branches of government thought there was probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime would be found in the office or residence of the President’s lawyer. And that they followed the path laid out in the United States Constitution to learn whether they were right.

    Period. End of discussion.

    Now calm down, and stop going full ret*rd on the partisanship. Stop, wait, think, listen, and learn. Above all, stop. Stop yammering. Stop screaming that we live in Nazi Germany. You sound like idiots.

    Just stop.

    As one of the people who went “full ret*rd” on the Cohen raid and is in NO WAY surprised that some of what they took got leaked to CNN, I wonder when our host might want to reconsider his remarks.

    ———
    * = word that host can use but is moderation time for the rest of us.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  116. As one of the people who went “full retard” on the Cohen raid and is in NO WAY surprised that some of what they took got leaked to CNN, I wonder when our host might want to reconsider his remarks.

    I followed your link and saw this quote in the CNN piece:

    “The recording, which was provided to CNN by Cohen’s attorney Lanny Davis…”

    What am I supposed to be reconsidering, Kevin M?

    Patterico (cff84e)

  117. It’s all fruit of the raid.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  118. Although I did miss that, and apologize, somewhat. I never thought that a man’s attorney would tape their conversations and then give them to the press. This is pretty much a low ebb for legal ethics.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  119. It is now out that it came from Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis (who defended Bill Clinton’s perjury). I did not see that in the original CNN article, and it is possible it was added later, since I saw a lot of incorrect speculation.

    It is also out that the lady in question was never paid any money, and that the tape is inconclusive whether Trump wanted a payment made or did not want a payment made.

    Just the same, it shows that you cannot seize attorney-client records and not stir up a hornet’s nest. It’s not something done every day.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  120. As I pointed out, the law in the 2nd circuit is unclear whether it’s illegal, but Mueller yes khuzaimis managing it, leaking them certainly is unethical.

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  121. Kevin, I think Cohen taping his conversations with trump is just common sense and any attorney who didn’t do that would be pretty foolish. Trump is a notoriously dishonest person, particularly towards people who work with or trust Trump.

    Releasing that material to the press? Yes that’s pretty extreme. Between the two, Cohen and Trump, to say nothing of the rest of Trump’s circle of hustlers, we have a real mess. It’s a disgrace to this country.

    Anyone know of any serious primary challengers?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  122. It’s unethical, but this is Mueller were talking about here, as for Davis you see who his other client is, and furthermore who are his colleagues, Michael Chertoff who is nominally concerned about Russians with Hayden and kristol. So pantomime horse.

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  123. How’d that Stormy Daniel’s thing work out for you?

    Colonel Haiku (207293)

  124. Hm —

    The tape itself seems mildly incriminating. The subject matter is more embarrassing to Trump than anything that’s going to get him arrested. The fans already know Trump is a sleaze in his personal life. They either dismiss it or glory in it.

    But — maybe that’s not the message being delivered here. The purpose is not to slime Trump but to warn him that worse may be out there, and it’s time to break out the pardon pen. Knowing the people involved, that would be my guess.

    Appalled (96665e)

  125. So back in the Clinton era firtash was using Davis and terrorist apologist levuck to further his interests he had him on a 800 k retainer.

    Narciso (1c20b2)

  126. The part of the tape released barely laid a glove on Trump, barely even mussed his hair. Its been said out of 12 recordings seized only one is with or about Trump. If that is it, then this won’t last through next weeks news cycle.

    At worst it’ll be like Stormy Daniels Lite, Look at Stormy now (if you can bear it… I don’t see the attraction at all) look at her now. Still in the news, but its not even related to Trump anymore. Its about her attorney Cohen, ahem Avenatti… I confused them somehow, so its about Stormy’s attorney or about her divorce, or about her pawing undercover cops in Ohio.
    A month from now the Playboy bunny at the nexus of this SCANDAL!!!! will be discussed in relation to the time her photographer and her went out to lunch and forgot to tip

    steveg (a9dcab)

  127. Can Michael Cohen ever be sure that Lanny Davis isn’t recording their converations?

    After all, Davis has been running interference for the Clinton Crime Family ever since Slick Willy insisted the DC Park Police investigate (cover-up) the sudden and mysterious appearance of Vince Foster’s dead body in Fort Marsey Park.

    Foster’s secretary, Linda Tripp, confirmed he ate lunch at his office desk in the White House, but the Secret Service logs have no record of Foster’s departure from the WH that day. Additionally, the video tapes of the WH parking lot that day are also inexplicably missing.

    Yet, Foster’s lifeless body was found in a fairly remote area of an obscure park, his car in the park’s lot. Strangely, Foster’s clothing was covered in rug fiber, his shorts were stained with ejaculate, and although he’d suffered a gunshot to the head, emergency medical technicians noted the absence of the massive bleeding characteristic of headshot wounds. (Which indicates he was shot elsewhere and dumped in the park.)

    Another strange detail, a revolver, the gun (he) presumably used on himself was found in his right hand – although Vince Foster was left handed.

    At that time, the Clintons had been in office only 6 months, and already 2 scandals had erupted: Travelgate and the grizzly death of 86 men, women, and children in Waco, Texas.

    ropelight (5459d8)

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