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7/15/2018

Trump’s Advice to Theresa May on Brexit

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:21 am



If only she had listened! New York Times:

Prime Minister Theresa May on Sunday revealed the advice President Trump had given her on how to negotiate Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union: Go straight to court.

Mrs. May was asked by the BBC about comments Mr. Trump made both in an interview in the British tabloid The Sun and later at a news conference on Friday at Chequers, the prime minister’s country residence, northwest of London.

“He told me I should sue the E.U.,” Mrs. May said.

Buh-rilliant.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

218 Responses to “Trump’s Advice to Theresa May on Brexit”

  1. It must have been towards the end of the day.

    nk (dbc370)

  2. Well this is how they handle troublesome referendum over here, the problem is may is one of the roadblocks

    Narciso (5f99e8)

  3. You used to believe in brexit, right:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_donald_does_europe.html

    So what’s the answer?

    Narciso (5f99e8)

  4. He also told her to go bankrupt.

    Charlie Davis (92fc73)

  5. Which court would the UK sue in?
    Kind of like Andrew Coumo saying New York would sue if SCOTUS overruled Roe v Wade.

    kishnevi (4b61f0)

  6. Anything Trump might recommend to May about handling Brexit could not be worse than her current mishandling.

    harkin (e3be5c)

  7. She needs a Roy Cohn.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. We need a world cup thread. Go Croatia! I predict Croatia 3-2 in overtime.

    felipe (023cc9)

  9. Not that I care, but I give France the edge. Soccer is, after all, mainly a running sport.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. She has olly Robbins a Marxist sympathizer as her chief advisor.

    Narciso (58da83)

  11. nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2018 @ 7:55 am
    LOL!

    felipe (023cc9)

  12. Hoping for a great match, a big score and minimal holding/flopping.

    harkin (e3be5c)

  13. Kind of funny that it took Trump to get the current Brit press to embrace Winston Churchill.

    harkin (e3be5c)

  14. Stupid Croats. Made an own-goal.

    felipe (023cc9)

  15. The look on Mandukic’s face was a Kodak Moment.

    harkin (e3be5c)

  16. Tied! Whoo-whoo!

    felipe (023cc9)

  17. Two goals b4 the 30 min mark, both scored by Croatia, and the match tied lol.

    harkin (e3be5c)

  18. The liberal subjects of England are a sorry lot.

    mg (0d66b4)

  19. I know. The match should be tied. But that hand ball really hurt. Still, an exciting first half. It is Croatia’s mistakes that are hurting them.

    felipe (023cc9)

  20. Trump looks great in Churchill’s chair.

    mg (0d66b4)

  21. britain’s a hopelessly fascist and ruined turd-state anymore

    all they do is rape little girls and gawp at leggy meggy’s latest inanity

    they weren’t really worth a visit but President Trump was gracious enough to take the time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. Who in the world would use lawyers and the courts to help resolve contractual conflicts?

    Hard to disagree.

    ThOR (d25d69)

  23. mg@20. He sure does. You wouldn’t see Obama sitting there.

    ThOR (d25d69)

  24. But may was in breach, in collusion with the eu so to speak.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  25. Excellent second effort for the goal.

    felipe (023cc9)

  26. I don’t often listen to Croatian rock, but when I do, so do the neighbors…

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  27. Ouch! It’s over. Good job, France. Poor Croatia is falling apart.

    felipe (023cc9)

  28. Counting my hoots:
    Brexit — No hoots missing
    UK’s government — No hoots missing
    Trump is a clown abroad as well as at home — Water is wet
    There’s an ocean between Trump and America — Yay!

    nk (dbc370)

  29. Wow! What a shocking goal! Never give up.

    felipe (023cc9)

  30. No clown he, President Trump. It was very very generous of him to credit this bungling dumpster-slut with even a shred of intent to preserve some small portion of her trashy little country’s sovereignty.

    He’s a masterful diplomat, but I think we can all agree he has much more worthy countries and initiatives on which to focus.

    The takeaway here is that it’s time to think about replacing little girl raping Britain with a more significant country on the UN security council, one that better values freedom and human rights.

    India certainly comes to mind. They’re on the cusp of having a larger GDP than the once-propserous UK, and they’ve built a powerful consensus against raping young girls.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. oopers *prosperous* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. the EU of course is never reticent to sue the poop out of leggy meggy’s trashy little kingdom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. oh look Austria sued the EU

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. Even back in the day of yes prime minister, they were mandating the firm of sausage, most recently it was bananas,

    Frankly even Stanley Baldwin wasn’t as miserly with their armed forces.

    And how does on say doh! In croatian

    Narciso (a12b20)

  35. The EU is going to sue Britain if it doesn’t pay its £50 billion Brexit divorce bill

    oh my goodness and poor bungling Theresa isn’t even aware this is a legitimate tactic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. Europe may sue UK over raw sewage releases

    sovereignty? Oh please.

    We’re British.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. May is a subject of the Belgian cabal.

    mg (0d66b4)

  38. U.S. President Donald Trump and the first lady Melania Trump leave the U.S. ambassador’s residence, Winfield House, in London, July 12, 2018.

    just lovely

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. The way they’re dressed they look like Dracula and his bride, but Winfield House in London does have a lovely sound.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. LOL

    You’re on a roll, happy!

    Patrick is a little too earnest to successfully pull off snark.

    ThOR (d25d69)

  41. she looks like a disney princess and he looks like an exceptionally solomonic prince charming

    so self-contained so serene, the pair of them

    and yet so attuned to their surroundings

    the like of these may not grace that benighted little island e’er again

    but for a time england was blessed with their company, and, all too fleetingly, a measure of olden golden glory returned to the once united kingdom

    thank you President Trump

    we love you Lady Melania

    this will surely be a memory they treasure in the dark times to come

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. oh look a dispatch from drug-loving pothead Cory Gardner’s perverted crime-ridden Colorado

    A Surge In Meth Use In Colorado Complicates Opioid Recovery

    great work Cory

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. I would not want to be the weatherman who failed to tell FIFA to hurry up the dang ceremony. Putin’s suit got soaked.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  44. Well, put Mr. Putin in a bubble suit, we dont want him sneezing here and there while in the same room as….

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  45. 41… it takes a clear mind for a lawyer to poo-poo any lawsuit.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. The only recourse would be EU courts, like the decisions that John you used to frame the parameters of the interrogation program

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. @42.she looks like a disney princess and he looks like an exceptionally solomonic prince charming

    Toons, Mr. Feet!

    “You don’t know how hard it is being a woman looking the way I do.” – Jessica Rabbit [Kathleen Turner] ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit?’ 1988

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. yes yes Mr. DCSCA

    one marvels at the contrast of the elegance of our President and First Lady with the coarse vulgarity of the nasty British queen

    the British press I’m sure you saw this has reliable reporting today that throughout the brief but gorgeous reception Melania arranged the doddering Elizabeth was “farting like a sick cow” and got so drunk she had to leave the reception in a walmart scooter

    standards have slipped is what they’re saying

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. Two idiot comments. The first:

    “Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn’t mean they are bad. It doesn’t mean anything. It means that they are competitive,” Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.

    Trump’s moral equivalence involving these nations is repulsive. The EU and China are more competitors–their being our two largest trading partners–than foes. PutinLand is our 30th largest trading partner and its leader has been consistently hostile to our interests.
    The second:

    President Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he hadn’t thought of pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on extraditing the dozen Russian officials charged with hacking Democratic emails, instead blaming the Democrats’ “bad defenses” for getting hacked during the 2016 campaign.
    “Well, I might,” Trump said when asked during an interview with CBS News about extraditing the indicted intelligence agents. “I hadn’t thought of that. But I certainly, I’ll be asking about it. But again, this was during the Obama administration. They were doing whatever it was during the Obama administration.”

    Idiotic because hadn’t even thought about asking Putin to extradite 25 Putineers, and idiotic because, in my Trump’s mind, Putin’s cyber-attack on America is somehow not so egregious because it was under Obama’s watch. Good grief.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  50. I just assumed his advice was to bomb the sh!t out of them and take their oil. Now there’s a finely-crafted plan that shows what years of work by a very good brain can come up with.

    Jerryskids (cfad51)

  51. She’s old school pikachu, i’m glad i don’t have to see Katherine heigl wreck suits.

    Based on what evidence Mr Montagu, the concord case has already run aground.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  52. We are outpumping their oil, the best revenge Rosneft’s public issue was horribly mishandled, running it through Qatari Chinese and Italian banks, the Chinese counterpart vomited up their portion.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  53. i have a soft spot heigl i think she knows her own mind and goes her own way more often than not

    she got a lot of massageyness done on her by Seth Rogen who hates women and she handled it with a lot of class i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. oops soft spot *for* heigl i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. that said how the hell suits lasted so many seasons is kind of a headscratcher

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. Why Britain joined the EU:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. I just assumed his advice was to bomb the sh!t out of them and take their oil.

    well you assumed wrong and on top of being wrong you’re also very disrespectful (on President Trump)

    President Trump adviced the prime minister to fight for the freedom of every single one of leggy meggy’s subjects as if they had actual human rights and were deserving of the kinds of liberties we’ve come to take for granted in our country, the United States of America.

    That his advise fell on deaf ears is certainly no reflection on the wisdom of it. Theresa May’s just a really incompetent broad who’s in way over her head.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. Because they were lied to, disco, they gave up what they fought for nearly a 1,000 years.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  59. “He told me I should sue the E.U.,” Mrs. May said.

    It is not enough ti sue. You have to have some claim. But then, taht was never an issue for Donald Trump.

    I suppose with any complicated matetr, there might be some grounds found somewhere.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  60. @49. the British press I’m sure you saw this has reliable reporting today that throughout the brief but gorgeous reception Melania arranged the doddering Elizabeth was “farting like a sick cow” and got so drunk she had to leave the reception in a walmart scooter

    But Mr. Feet, being around Mr. Trump does that to people; it put Melania in hospital for a week.
    _____

    At 92, Her Majesty can make room for ‘Queen of Farts’ along w/t a few other titles, Mr. Feet:

    Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith, Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth, Baroness Greenwich, Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Duke of Normandy, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Garter, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Sovereign of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Sovereign of the Most Illustrious Order of Saint Patrick, Sovereign of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, Sovereign of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Sovereign of the Distinguished Service Order, Sovereign of the Imperial Service Order, Sovereign of the Most Exalted Order of the Star of India, Sovereign of the Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire, Sovereign of the Order of British India, Sovereign of the Indian Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of Burma, Sovereign of the Royal Order of Victoria and Albert, Sovereign of the Royal Family Order of King Edward VII, Sovereign of the Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of the Companions of Honour, Sovereign of the Royal Victorian Order, Sovereign of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem. -source, yahoo/wiki

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Based on what evidence Mr Montagu, the concord case has already run aground.

    Um, the trial is still going to happen. The latest word is that the judge won’t let Putin’s pet oligarch look at classified US intelligence.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  62. Which court would the UK sue in?

    Probably the same court the EU would sue Britain in — the European Court of Justice. Sure, Trump’s comment sounded stupid — and maybe only the EU can sue in that court — but given several threats by the EU to sue, Trump’s comment doesn’t sound crazy in context.

    Yet another case where the MSM (or in this case, our host) neglects to look at all sides of the issue, being stuck on “gee, isn’t that Trump dumb.”

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  63. oh my goodness she’s almost as old as dianne feinstein

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. 5. kishnevi (4b61f0) — 7/15/2018 @ 6:49 am

    Which court would the UK sue in?

    The European Court of Justice.

    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies/court-justice_en

    The place I think where Poland was sued.

    I think it also outlawed the death penalty.

    No, that was the EEuropean Couty of Human Rights.

    https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Death_penalty_ENG.pdf

    Kind of like Andrew Coumo saying New York would sue if SCOTUS overruled Roe v Wade

    Not exactly the same. Here you could find a court.

    The UK is in trouble because I think they need all members to agree to any new institutional arrangements.

    I guess the UK could sue over anything, or threaten to, with the aim of settling.

    Trump doesn’t do much suing for teh US I think. I mean in the WTO. Or maybe that’s wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  65. What you can’t confront your accusers, which is peter strzoks gumbo made from crowdstrike and the dossier,

    Narciso (a12b20)

  66. The more I look at the reporting on Trump by the national media, the more it looks like a 3rd gdrade schoolyard. The cool kids tell their clique who to like and who has cooties and there’s really no escaping it. Or maybe it’s like the mean girls in high school. But we’ve long since jumped the tracks — all of us — as far as rational debate is concerned.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  67. Sammy, the US sues all the time, even in its own courts. Just ask AT&T.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  68. @59.Keep chunnelling narcissy; in another 1,000 years you might just figure it out.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. @20.Trump looks great in Churchill’s chair.

    Nyet. He doesn’t. Particularly given the caliber of advice from the original seat sitter:

    “…to recreate the European fabric, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.

    We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

    In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living. The process is simple. All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong, and to gain as their reward blessing instead of cursing.” – Winston Churchill, 9/19/46, Zurich, Switzerland

    But what did he know.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. I think 72 years is proof enough that he was wrong, i think by contrast von braun would be much impressed.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  71. @72. I think 72 years is proof enough that he was wrong…

    You think wrong; 72 years is a blink of a European eye; 1066 and all that. Von Braun, no; Lindbergh and his secret seed families, likely.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. Lindbergh was mistaken, but considering the estate of our armed forces at the time, it wasn’t unfounded

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/15/sunday-talks-john-ratcliffe-discusses-strzok-and-page-testimony/

    Narciso (a12b20)

  73. Pussy riot just punked putin at the world cup so no 1936 love fest! hitler would have the executed see: trial of sophie schoell. Hope putin doesn’t.

    wendell (c71cc8)

  74. @50. ‘Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade.’

    Peculiar he’d label the EU a ‘foe’ and Putin a ‘competitor’ when it’s exactly the other way ’round.

    But then, a 72 year old with early dementia easily explains that away. Or maybe he and Kelly got stuck with that continental breakfast again and their tummies are rumbling. Hard roll, jam packet, unsalted butter and a Diet Coke can do that. Let’s ask Sarah.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. Much like Sparta and Corinth were against athens.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  76. But then, a 72 year old with early dementia easily explains that away.

    How old are you? Do you feel a little more confused in the afternoon than in the morning?

    Not expecting a cognizant answer here really…

    lee (ab26cf)

  77. @78. Apparently you do. Give quetiapine a try and avoid those continental breakfasts.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. Apparently you do

    Well, I was expecting some answer. No luck though.

    lee (ab26cf)

  79. @7. She needs a Roy Cohn.

    A Blackadder would do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. Disco believes Dr. Strangelove to be the epitome of profound.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  81. @80. Take your quetiapine and you can not only read it, but understand it, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. 75, Robbie Williams, by that metric, should have been dead for a couple of weeks already.

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  83. @82. ‘epitome of profound’… another one of Her Majesty’s many titles.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. Maybe more than one question at a time confused you.

    How old are you?

    lee (ab26cf)

  85. @86. Clearly you’re confused. Try that quetiapine script and it’ll clear up some for you– after sundown.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. @84. Card him; he’s in a personal foul mood; his Trump suit got rained on and Frog Legs beat the borscht out of him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. Yet another case where the MSM (or in this case, our host) neglects to look at all sides of the issue, being stuck on “gee, isn’t that Trump dumb.”

    Trump has only the most tenuous and superficial understanding of the most important issues facing the country he mis-leads.

    Do you seriously think he is qualified to advise the PM of Great Britain on a legal question where she has entire ministries full of experts to advise her?

    Do you seriously think Trump has any understanding of the issues at all, beyond “EU bad”?

    Dave (445e97)

  88. OT: Kudos to P*ssy Riot for staging a gutsy protest against Putin during the World Cup final.

    With the Trump administration repudiating America’s traditional role as champion and voice of the oppressed, others must rise to the occasion.

    I’m confident they have happyfeet’s unqualified support…

    Dave (445e97)

  89. i miss tatu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. “President Trump’s repeated attacks on the news media while overseas — [in addition to CNN] he also lashed out at NBC News and The Sun newspaper during Friday’s news conference — has alarmed free speech advocates, especially as President Trump is set to hold a joint press availability Monday with Putin, whose country is known for being deeply hostile [Putin has reporters killed] to a free press.” -source, foxnews.com

    Damn the media and full speed ahead, eh, Captain, sir! A continental breakfast of ice cream and strawberries for all!

    “It’s been my experience with the press that they ignore truth for sensationalism.” – Captain Finlander [Richard Widmark] ‘The Bedford Incident’ 1965

    ______

    Dementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:

    Cognitive changes

    •Memory loss, which is usually noticed by a spouse or someone else
    •Difficulty communicating or finding words
    •Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
    •Difficulty handling complex tasks
    •Difficulty with planning and organizing
    •Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
    •Confusion and disorientation

    Psychological changes

    •Personality changes
    •Depression
    •Anxiety
    •Inappropriate behavior
    •Paranoia
    •Agitation
    •Hallucinations

    – source, mayoclinic.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/15/2018 @ 5:32 pm

    “(pointing to reporters) These are the ones who insult you?”
    Vladimir Putin, playing his mark like a cheap fiddle during their last appearance together

    Dave (445e97)

  92. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

    But that’s not what they did. They build a monster bureaucracy where interlocking, cross-appointed commissions and boards hold all the power and the people get to vote on the color of street signs.

    As one Brexit debater put it, the way to get a job on the European Commission is to be defeated at the polls. It was about as far from democracy, or even a Republic as one could get. It’s a dictatorship by the Oligarchs.

    And the Brits wised up.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  93. In the US, we have to worry about the rich and powerful buying politicians through campaign donations or outright bribes.

    In the EU, they got rid of the middlemen and the EU power structure is composed of the rich and powerful. All democracy ends at the national level, and every year the national powers are more and more petty.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  94. Donald tusk is basically the tool of junkers, his faction was dispatched by the civic union.

    Narciso (deb479)

  95. If only we’d elected Hillary!

    And of course, like Patterico I believe every word the MSM Prints about Trump.

    They would never exaggerate, summarize him unfairly, or get things wrong.

    Never!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  96. Come see the violence inherent in the system!

    Paragliding Trump protestor arrested

    Dave (445e97)

  97. rcocean (1a839e) — 7/15/2018 @ 7:42 pm

    Cramming so many straw men into such a small space creates a fire hazard…

    Dave (445e97)

  98. Did anyone note that, now that Elon Musk supports Trump, he’s getting the same “Trump Lover!!!” h8 from the media?

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  99. ‘Well, it’s a start’… a one hour flight; Putin arrives late to Helsinki; makes POTUS wait. Early score: Putin 1, Trump, goose egg.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. Breaking- first press avail; Trump congratulates Putin on successful World Cup. Informs him ‘We call it soccer.’

    Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. I do hope for hot takes and learned discussion from our Trump supporters about Trumps tweeted admission that our problems with Russia is mostly us, and not them. I’m so glad our President is making America great again through apologies to offended dictators.

    Appalled (edfcbb)

  102. Lol, I think Woods just sent Her to the burn ward.

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. Hm. So the important thing is that James Woods owned Hillary Clinton on twitter. Got that straight, now.

    Appalled (96665e)

  104. No appalled, the point is she got tens of millions of dollars and was as silent as blofelds cat.

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. No, the point is that she and Kerry and Obama f*ucked up royally all over the world and punted the chaos to the next President and are now snarking about the way he’s dealing with the mess they made.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. He was a fool in the Obama era, and a fool now. In the earlier period the former head of their state network was murdered in the capital and it was designated an accident. A civilian airliner was shot down in international airspace and there was no pngs no shutting down of facilities

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. 2009: cute and precious li’l “reset button”…
    2010-2011: Big Zero rules
    2012: “tell Vlad I’ll have more flexibility after the election”… “the 80s called… they want their foreign policy back”
    2013-2016: Big Zero rules, American personnel overseas repeatedly roughed up, attacked, multiple cyber attacks on American databases
    2017: Trumpety Trump Trump… Russian CollusionEleventy!!!
    2018: “why won’t teh Trump do something about teh Russians?!?!??”

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  108. narc:

    OK — agree or disagree — “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!”?

    That’s our President, before going into his meeting with Putin. I find that (i) historically illiterate (ii) forgetful of what Putin’s been doing to his neighbors lately and (iii) an inappropriate insertion typical Trumpian whining into diplomacy.

    Love to get your hot take.

    Appalled (96665e)

  109. Teh Pantsuited Pantload and Secretariat Kerry

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  110. When did Ukraine happen, when mh 170 happen, when did Assad ear Obama’s lunch, when did they hack the health care exchanges?

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  111. In light of all This, why does the eu pony up, because they are too busy banning speech about the real threat.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  112. Yo soy Cubanoamericano, I don’t need lectures on russia, least from you.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  113. Narc:

    Who cares when it happened? Trump is the man now. And he’s making these jackass comments which make Obama’s mistakes and failures worse

    Appalled (96665e)

  114. When the slaughter was going on in Syria, when we sent food rations rather than javelin missiles.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  115. 117: Can you bear to say “The President is wrong”, as you know he is. Or must you always deflect? I really wonder how far down this path of never criticize the President you guys are willing to go.

    Appalled (96665e)

  116. Jackasses will make jackass comments. It’s actions that count. Time to use oil and natural gas as weapons against the Russians

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  117. The eu doesn’t act like russia is a threat, putting their euros where their mouth is, keep in mind though, the Ukraine is like their Texas, get them to give it up is unlikely

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  118. Trump blames America first, that “our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse.” Spoken like a true unpatriotic, anti-American left-wing hack. The Russian foreign ministry “liked” Trump’s tweet, and why wouldn’t they. Trump levied no blame against them. It’s as if an unprecedented cyber-attack on the United States of America by Putin’s military–as outlined in last Friday’s 39-page indictment–didn’t happen. It’s as if our Trump-appointed DNI didn’t say last Friday that, on the cyber-warfare front, the “warning lights are blinking red again.”
    Yesterday, in yet another case of brainless moral equivalence, Trump couldn’t call the Putin regime a “foe” without calling the EU and China “foes”. Trump also said this:

    “Frankly, we have not been getting along very well for the last number of years…I really think the world wants to see us get along.”

    Maybe the world does but, to “get along”, it takes two parties acting in good faith, and Putin is not one of those parties. The weirdness to all this is that our two previous presidents tried to improve relations with Putin and they failed miserably, but not for want of trying by Bush and Obama. Bush mistakenly thought he got “a sense of his [Putin’s] soul”, and then Putin took control of parts of Georgia. Obama told Medvedev that “after my election I have more flexibility” to seek a better relationship, and then Putin invaded and annexed the Crimean region of Ukraine.
    So far, Trump’s Eurotrip has been one of depth and stature, the depth of my kids’ plastic kiddie pool and the stature of a tattoo parlor. Given that we elected a man whose ego is only exceeded by his vanity, I anticipate that we’re going to find yet another American president outmaneuvered by Putin, and we won’t really know for sure what will have happened in that meeting because Trump won’t even bring an American note-taker into the room.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  119. 117: Can you bear to say “The President is wrong”, as you know he is. Or must you always deflect? I really wonder how far down this path of never criticize the President you guys are willing to go.

    They are sticking up for foreign soldiers who attacked our country and defending the dictator who ordered them to do it.

    How much farther is there to go?

    Dave (445e97)

  120. Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/16/2018 @ 7:42 am

    Amen.

    Dave (445e97)

  121. I describe what actually happened but Obama was to busy playing Simon says, if there is bad code in operating systems root it out.
    But don’t rely on crowdstrike or fire eye (which was party to the Equifax hack)

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  122. I remember when the response of Biden Kerry and podesta to Soviet aggression was our disarmament, that is the left view ‘re it and bomb as Well, no Reagan didn’t want to go with russia, but if they crossed the Tulsa, if they took over the Persian gulf. That would be an option. They nonetheless called him a warminger.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  123. It’s actions that count.

    I agree with that, and Trump’s words that “I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama” are mostly false.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  124. I anticipate that we’re going to find yet another American president outmaneuvered by Putin

    meanwhile nazi germany’s angela merkel does oral favors for Vladimir in return for a monthly gas ration

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  125. Wanna know what’s multitudes worse than Obama’s “Apology Tour” that so many Republicans lost their minds over? This: Traitor Trump ruining our relationships with our best allies and sucking up to murderer Putin and blaming America for Putin’s hideous regime. So far, Republicans are not doing anything about it – they’re spineless sycophants, cowering in the shadows of their Dear Leader.

    Tillman (d34303)

  126. Really wiping out a company of prigozhins favorite mercs, two air strikes against Syria the javelin to Ukraine, as compared to c rations and hashtags.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  127. Politifact? Really?
    More later, gotta work.

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  128. I thought so, coronello.

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  129. If I understand the current line of argument from some Trump defenders correctly — What Trump has said and says regarding the state of US/Russia relations in today’s tweet is a ok because Obama muffed our relations with Russia by being weak, and the EU buys gas from Russia, the hypocrites.

    If this is incorrect — please explain (i) why Trump’s tweet was OK or (ii) admit Trump’s tweet was inaccurate.

    And, because Hillary or because Obama are not good responses. Neither are President. Neither of hacked into Trump’s twitter feed.

    Appalled (96665e)

  130. No appalled were talking about actual responses, now you want to go to war with russia, over some poorly attributed code?

    Narciso (c47fd3)

  131. Trump just now in Helsinki (paraphrasing):

    The problem isn’t that Russia carried out a sophisticated military operation to get me elected.

    The problem is that Bob Mueller is investigating it.

    Dave (445e97)

  132. The sad part, among many sad parts, is that the man who would make an infinitely better president, Jon Meade Huntsman Jr., is just a lonely voice.

    U.S. Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman warned on Sunday that there will not be "much of a relationship left" between the U.S. and Russia if Moscow seeks to meddle in the 2018 midterm elections.

    And while we're on the subject of PutinLand, I can't help but recognize the heroism of Pussy Riot, a band of punk-rock chicks who can't play their instruments*. Four years ago in Sochi, they sang a protest song in a public setting ("Putin Will Teach You to Love the Motherland") and were horse-whipped by Cossacks for their efforts (the video here).
    Yesterday, they trolled the World Cup.

    Russian authorities have charged four members of the punk activist group Pussy Riot for disrupting the World Cup final by running onto the pitch.
    They are accused of violating the rules for spectators at sporting events and of wearing police uniforms illegally.
    The two offences carry maximum fines of 10,000 roubles (£121; $161) and 1,500 roubles, respectively.
    Pussy Riot said it was a protest against human rights abuses in Russia. Stewards hauled the four off the pitch.

    The video here. To Pussy Riot, I say novstrovia! to their health, or at least that they die by natural causes after living long lives.
    * Obscure movie reference.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  133. Puppet, puppet, puppet.

    Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. “I was an intelligence officer myself and I do know how a dossier is made up.” – Vladimir Putin.

    Is the PP NTSC or PAL?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. And yet you called Reagan senile when we faced a much greater threat, on three continents, drop the act disco.

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. Obama, the fbi, the doj and riinos are disgusting Americans.

    mg (0d66b4)

  137. Trump was reportedly outraged last March at a Putin video showing Russian nuclear missiles raining down on Florida.

    It would seem Putin has now assured him that Mar-a-Lago will absolutely, positively, not be targeted.

    Dave (445e97)

  138. Putin gave Trump one of his balls for Melania to fondle.

    Not to worry, he still has two left, Captain, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. @139. String theory plays Pinocchio, narcissy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. Trump just cited Putin’s denial as proof that our own law enforcement and intelligence community are liars.

    Dave (445e97)

  141. @129. He warmed some Boston tea and chowder, too, Mr. Feet!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. @144. It’s axiomatic: liar + liar = lies.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. Serge Magnitsky was put on trial three years after he was dead. The Russians don’t only know about fake dossiers, they also know about fake indictments.

    nk (dbc370)

  144. fake indictments

    You think Mueller, or “some guy sitting on his bed who weighs 400 pounds,” framed a dozen innocent Russian soldiers for crimes they, and their country, had nothing to do with?

    You’ve always come across as a reasonable guy, nk, but now you’re making me nervous.

    Dave (445e97)

  145. why hasn’t our fbi turd-suck friend bobby mueller fake-indicted Mr. Putin yet

    hello bobby’s obviously a puppet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. it’s a bogus indictment, much like when Weissman, went after Arthur Anderson, collectively, to get at Enron, it was reversed on appeal but the damage was done,

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. At most this called for a report to the DOJ National Security Division. Which Rosenstein said was done after the indictments.

    nk (dbc370)

  148. does the national security division do anything useful lately, consider new tork or ft. lauderdale,

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. At most this called for a report to the DOJ National Security Division. Which Rosenstein said was done after the indictments.

    I find your position baffling. For months and months the criticism of Mueller was that he had nothing, it was all a fishing expedition, no evidence, no crime, witch-hunt, etc.

    As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for!

    Then Mueller laid out, in great detail and specificity, clearly backed by a formidable trail of digital evidence, a covert foreign military operation carried out against the United States that – just today! – the President of the United States (and beneficiary of the operation), while standing next to the KGB agent who ordered it, insisted never happened. The KGB agent denied it, you see. Denied it very strongly!

    And you think Mueller should have kept the evidence he compiled about the attack quiet?

    That would certainly suit Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin (and their sycophants). It’s not clear how it would be in any loyal American’s interests, though.

    Dave (445e97)

  150. Here are some updates on the press conference:

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1018883769313452032

    Putin says show me a single fact about meddling in U.S. 2016 election; says allegations are complete nonsense. Putin says if Mueller investigation sends Russia an official request to question suspects, Russia will do that. Putin says in return, we would want to question U.S. officials who we suspect of illegal acts against Russia. Putin says we suspect U.S. intelligence officials were involved in channeling $400 million from businessman Browder to Hillary Clinton election campaign

    Putin says he agrees with Trump that our militaries are working successfully in Syria. Asked if he had wanted Trump to win 2016 presidential election, Putin says ‘yes, I did’

    Trump says if here was compromising information about him in Moscow, it would have been out long ago; Putin says idea is nonsense.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  151. U.S. intelligence officials were involved in channeling $400 million from businessman Browder to Hillary Clinton election campaign

    this calls for a special counsel i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. Jeff Flake, one of the last vestiges of integrity in the Republican party:

    I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.

    Dave (445e97)

  153. the curious thing, this is the heart of the allegations of the Russian pepperpot, which apparently doesn’t register with trump,

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. lol jeff flake is so wrong

    america’s done so much CNN Jake Tapper russia fake news all up in it can’t even see reality anymore!

    thank goodness President Trump is clear-eyed and 5 by 5

    the rest of these losers are re-living mcmartin pre-school all over again with putin doing animal sacrifices in their fever dreams

    the bottom line?

    the hot and horny lickspittle men and women of the dirty corrupt fbi are doing more to de-stabilize america than putin ever dreamed of doing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. Here’s another unpatriotic, anti-American comment by Trump:

    “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today,” Trump said as he stood next to Putin at a joint news conference between the two leaders following their talks in Helsinki.
    “He just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said during a news conference following talks between the two leaders. “Let me say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

    Let’s be clear, Trump is taking the word of a dictator who has been consistently hostile to our interests for years over his own intelligence and law enforcement community, a community where the senior officials are his appointees. Someone tell me how this comment renders this man fit for the position of Leader of the Free World.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  156. $400 million from businessman Browder to Hillary Clinton election campaign

    This is just Putin playing Trump for a sucker and telling him what he wants to hear.

    Clinton’s campaign committee raised and spent – in total – $564M.

    Let them investigate; if laws were broken, prosecute.

    But it’s only a diversion from the Russian military attack on the United States that Trump (the beneficiary) is doing his best to cover up.

    Dave (445e97)

  157. In point of fact, pre-arrest indictments are routinely kept sealed until the defendant is arrested so he won’t be alerted and run and hide. But in this instance, I am objecting to the actual indictments, not their public disclosure. Because they’re meaningless with the defendants out of reach. Their only purpose was to make whatever Mueller uncovered look more credible with the certification of a Grand Jury. Which, between you and me, isn’t worth much. The standard for an indictment is probable cause. Say, maybe, a 25% chance that what is alleged actually happened.

    nk (dbc370)

  158. his own intelligence and law enforcement community

    America’s intelligence community is made out of lying scheming traitorous cowards, many of them drawn from the dirty corrupt tranny trash US military.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. Oh Captain, sir, after you Purel, might want to have Melania wash her hands and have that soccer ball checked for any Novichok nerve agent smeared on it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. sometimes a soccer ball is just a soccer ball

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  161. Let’s be clear, Trump is taking the word of a dictator who has been consistently hostile to our interests for years over his own intelligence and law enforcement community, a community where the senior officials are his appointees.

    Let’s be even clearer:

    Donald Trump is a traitor to our country.

    “A dirty, rotten traitor”.

    And during every campaign speech, Donald Trump explained exactly how he thought traitors should be dealt with.

    Dave (445e97)

  162. But never mind all that. I’m about to make an avocado, cherry tomato, and red cabbage salad. Which meat should I use? Ham or breaded chicken breast? Or neither — just some bits (ok, more than some) of provolone cheese? I’m leaning towards the cheese.

    nk (dbc370)

  163. the cheese is ok but a crumbled sardine or some anchovies would be lovely in there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  164. Donald Trump is a traitor to our country.

    no he’s not he’s doing so good

    i love how he presidents everything up one side and down the other

    and the hot and horny men and women of the slut-hole fbi just get increasingly deranged

    it’s like that movie where the president’s a total bad-ass and the fbi losers are pissing themselves in frustration cause everybody hates their slutty guts

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. Lol…

    “So let me just say that we have two thoughts: You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee [DNC]? I’ve been wondering that,” Trump said.
    “I’ve been asking that for months and months, and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? … I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server…
    But I have — I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s emails? Thirty-three thousand emails gone, just gone.”

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  166. The standard for an indictment is probable cause. Say, maybe, a 25% chance that what is alleged actually happened.

    Are 75% of people indicted by the federal government acquitted?

    Do you think there’s only a 25% chance the Russians charged are guilty?

    What about 9/11? As far as I’m aware, nobody has ever been tried, much less convicted, for direct participation in the 9/11 attacks. The attackers themselves are obviously dead. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s case is pending, but as of now it’s “just an indictment”. “The 20th hijacker,” Moussaoui, was convicted of conspiracy, but not the actual acts (he was in jail on 9/11). Are we therefore unable to conclude that Al Qaeda was responsible?

    The standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict an individual is one of the cornerstones of liberty under the rule of law. But when has that standard ever been applied to public policy decision-making?

    Contending – on the basis of no evidence whatsoever – that Mueller’s indictments are a wholesale fabrication (“fake” in your words) seems to me about as credible as “Bush-flew-the-plane” Trutherism.

    Dave (445e97)

  167. And my money is on “I bet we’ll never know.”

    Derp State. Derpity Derp Derp.

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  168. robert mueller has no integrity everybody knows that

    he has a track record of cowardice and lies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  169. Cheese it is. Sardines will be with only tomatoes and onion (heavy on), whenever.

    nk (dbc370)

  170. Very enjoyable watching NeverTrump, Democrats, journolists and Big Zero’s Fan Club gnashing their teeth, rending their garments and soiling themselves in their besidethemselvesnesseleventy.

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  171. What about 9/11? As far as I’m aware, nobody has ever been tried, much less convicted, for direct participation in the 9/11 attacks.

    slutbama did summary execution on bin laden

    no intelligence value in questioning him he said

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  172. i did a simple salt n pepper cabbage salad mixed with leftover beef cheek marmalade

    it wanted onions but i’m too busy today to futz around the kitchen

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  173. The answers that would be found therein would explain – without question and definitively – who really colluded with the Russkies during 2016. And that is why the criminal acts and horseschiff behind all of it will be swept under the rug.

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  174. @165. And Putin has quite a set left in his shorts, eh, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  175. Mr. Tapscott has a wonderful article about the press conference today

    If U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials were convinced it was Russians who hacked into the servers of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, why didn’t they demand those servers be turned over to them to determine what the Russians were after?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. Donald Trump is a traitor to our country.

    B-b-b-b-but Gorsuch. And Kavanaugh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. Because we seem to be going overboard with the rhetoric on this, according to Merriam-Webster:

    treason: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family

    If you guys are going to toss the word around, make sure the conduct you are describing really is this.

    Appalled (96665e)

  178. Turned out ok. Nice and low-key for tropical Chicago day. The cabbage was the strongest flavor and texture.

    nk (dbc370)

  179. Really wiping out a company of prigozhins favorite mercs, two air strikes against Syria the javelin to Ukraine, as compared to c rations and hashtags.
    What Trump did today was give Putin carte blanche to do whatever Putin wants in Europe Syria and elsewhere. And give him permission to hack away at our politics.

    This after spending most of the last week demonstrating to the Europeans that he is not interested in being leader of the free world because he doesn’t think the free world actually exists outside of slogans.

    He has in effect taken an axe to the structures that make the US indispensable, and makes no effort to explain what it is he wants to replace the old structures with.

    We have been the World’s Policeman for decades, and along with it, the World’s Bank (ie, the dollar as the default currency of the world). Trump seems to want to abandon the first role. Which will result in the second role disappearing.

    China no doubt likes this outcome more than Putin.

    kishnevi (e2dc4e)

  180. Appalled, COTUS sets out a different standard.
    A unit of the Russian military carried out acts of espionage against the US for hostile purposes.
    Trump not doing anything about it, and helping Russia evade all punituve consequences for it, can be reasonably seen as giving aid and comfort to the Enemy.

    kishnevi (e2dc4e)

  181. european weakness cowardice and apathy have already given Russia carte blanche to do whatever they want in Europe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. Russian Tied To NRA Charged With ‘Infiltrating’ US Political Organizations

    A Russian woman with close ties to the National Rifle Association was arrested Sunday and charged with “conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government…” – source, http://www.talkingpointssmemo.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  183. #185 — That Constitutional definition, for reference, is here:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    Every time anyone does something vaguely disreputable on the foreign stage, there is a chorus of screachy people yelling treason. And suddenly, the word has no real meaning.

    Appalled (96665e)

  184. If U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials were convinced it was Russians who hacked into the servers of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, why didn’t they demand those servers be turned over to them to determine what the Russians were after?

    So what?

    It might have been helpful, but it clearly wasn’t necessary.

    I’d imagine the evidence on them had already been overwritten by the time the feds became directly involved. When a computer is infected with malware, and you need to use the computer, you reformat the disk and reinstall the operating system, etc. Everybody understands this, it’s no mystery. The Dems belatedly hired a private firm to try to clean up the intrusion; if they didn’t have money, time and manpower to replace their whole computing infrastructure in the middle of the campaign, they would have done the most straightforward thing and reformatted/re-installed.

    I also wouldn’t be so sure that backup tapes weren’t made available. The hardware of the machines was not tampered with. The evidence was not in the machine(s) themselves but in the *data* stored on the disks, and that could have been provided from backup tapes (possibly after removing sensitive proprietary information) without requiring the physical computers.

    Further, what was on the machines is likely not even that interesting. For establishing responsibility, the important evidence is where commands were coming in from, and where data was being shipped out to. The network traffic would tell you exactly what rootkit/hacking tools were used.

    Another little detail is that I don’t believe the authorities can seize the property of the victim of a crime. If your house was broken into, would you be OK with the police seizing it as evidence?

    But this “what about the server” nonsense is a complete red herring, just a traitorous attempt to cover for the Russian attack.

    If you believe the DoJ and FBI engaged in a vast conspiracy to fabricate the charges out of thin air, it would have taken no further effort to plant any desired evidence on the server, or to create bogus servers with fabricated evidence. In fact, if they *had* inspected the physical servers, you would no doubt be accusing them of doing just that…

    Dave (445e97)

  185. From Treason Summit: 2012… “tell Vlad I’ll have more flexibility after the election”

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  186. 189… Pretzel ConDave…

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  187. A very devious mind at play there…

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  188. Every time anyone does something vaguely disreputable on the foreign stage, there is a chorus of screachy people yelling treason. And suddenly, the word has no real meaning.

    That is true. I have tried to use “traitor” instead of “treason”, since the latter has a very narrow meaning under the Constitution.

    If

    1) attempting to conceal a hostile foreign military operation against your own country,
    2) designed to throw an election to you, and
    3) going on TV, overseas, to traduce the law enforcement, national security and intelligence authorities who exposed the attack,
    4) while playing touchy-feely with the murderous dictator standing next to you who ordered it,

    doesn’t make you a traitor, then nothing can make you a traitor.

    Dave (445e97)

  189. The host may want to consider putting comments using the word “Treason” into moderation.

    Appalled (96665e)

  190. Filth-dirty Rod Rosytwat and depraved ex-marine coward Bobby Mueller committed treason by orchestrating their fake indictments in such a way as to sabotage US foreign relations.

    They should be arrested and charged, because this is a dangerous precedent.

    This is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. “He [Putin] denies it. So the idea that somehow public shaming is gonna be effective, I think doesn’t read the thought process in Russia very well.”

    —- Big Zero, December 2016

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  192. Trump didn’t complain about the dossier to Putin.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  193. When your house is broken into you can’t expect the authorities to prosecute the perpetrators based solely on the evidence you and your private cleanup team provide to give them, even if the cleanup team is also a contractor often used by the authorities.

    If Trump had handled these questions exactly as the critics demand nothing would be different. It wouldn’t have changed Russia’s behavior. Louder condemnation, more sanctions, etc isn’t going to convince the Russians to stop exploiting the asymmetrical advantage they have in taking advantage of our poorly secured information systems. The barn door has been open for years and all the previous administration did is sit idly by and complain. This kerfuffle won’t make it any better.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  194. Liberal Reporter: I’m Really Not Sold Fake Password Reset Emails From Russia Is A Hack…Or An Attack

    And that’s the point. It’s sour grapes. Hillary Clinton lost—and the Democratic Party’s dirty laundry was aired for all to see. So, how to pivot? Scream, whine, and act like a crazy person about Russia hacking the election, or something.

    Cyber operations are part of the geopolitical landscape. This is not some new era, and the media should stop treating it as such. China hacked the U.S., stealing 20 million records from the Office of Personnel Management in 2015. It caused the U.S. to pull their intelligence assets in China out of fear that they could be compromised. What did Obama do retaliatory wise on that attack? The selective outrage is also getting to be absurd, as if nothing bad happened during the Obama administration, which was one of the worst moments in American foreign policy history, a saga of inaction and dithering caused by paralysis by analysis.

    Should we guard against future attempts at interference? Yes, but this is being blown way out of proportion—always has been and always will be because the media hates Trump. This is a tantrum. And this will never be 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. The more the media scream, the fewer people will listen because all the points made to back up this kooky narrative are so off base, you don’t even need to read into it; a phishing email is like the bomb that sunk a battleship or a plane that flew into the towers. C’mon, guys.

    What he said.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  195. happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/16/2018 @ 11:48 am

    slutbama did summary execution on bin laden

    no intelligence value in questioning him he said

    At least he didn’ty bomb the house. That killed lessposisble and got allsorts of documents (mainly electronic files) of intelligence value, most of which they not onl;y kepty under wraps but didn’t analyze themselves.

    It wasn’t that live OBL had no value – iyt was OPbama’srules for inteterrogation not even plea bargaining really.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  196. plus they found a lot of pron

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. When your house is broken into you can’t expect the authorities to prosecute the perpetrators based solely on the evidence you and your private cleanup team provide to give them, even if the cleanup team is also a contractor often used by the authorities.

    Still a red herring.

    If you want to follow through with this analogy, in cyberspace the feds apparently have surveillance cameras on every street corner, sufficient to track the thieves continuously en route between their hideout and your home.

    It looks to me like the feds were able to reconstruct large swaths of the IP traffic, if not the whole shebang. If so, they can reconstruct the software that was used from the content of the packets that copied it onto the compromised machines.

    If Trump had handled these questions exactly as the critics demand nothing would be different. It wouldn’t have changed Russia’s behavior. Louder condemnation, more sanctions, etc isn’t going to convince the Russians to stop exploiting the asymmetrical advantage they have in taking advantage of our poorly secured information systems. The barn door has been open for years and all the previous administration did is sit idly by and complain. This kerfuffle won’t make it any better.

    This seems like a very flawed analysis. I think it is impossible, in principle, to protect sensitive private systems from unlimited-resource attacks by agents of a former superpower (or any other moderately developed nation state, for that matter). The situation is similar, in some ways, to the bad old days of Mutually Assured Destruction. You can harden a small number of government facilities, but you can’t put the whole country into underground bunkers. Deterrence (making the cost of carrying out an attack prohibitive) is what kept the Russians and us from nuking each other, not some impenetrable defense of every possible target.

    And this is why Trump’s betrayal of our country is such a disaster. What he told Putin today was: “As long as you intervene on MY side, I’ll be happy to look the other way and pretend nothing happened.”

    Putin now knows there will be no consequences. He can do whatever he wants, risk-free. And its even worse, because Trump is incapable of admitting a mistake. In for a penny, in for a pound. The next time the Russians get caught red-handed, Trump (and his cultists) will stonewall for them even harder. Because the only alternative would be to admit he was wrong.

    Dave (445e97)

  198. Nonsense.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  199. pedophile Mitt Romney’s slicked up and ready boy-toy Paul Ryan says Putin’s a big poophead what did interferes on the election

    but again

    nobody has a shred of proof!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  200. this is just like the global warming hoax where all you have is a theory but no actual proof

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  201. happyfeet, here’s an explanation for you:

    Shut up, he explained.

    Tillman (d34303)

  202. Sounds like Vlad may have video of Rand Paul curling his hair, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  203. @205. But you seem to be sweating a lot, lately, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  204. @198. Crazy. Period.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  205. Overheard on Air Force One:

    “Do you want strawberries with your ice cream, Mr. President?”

    “Yes. No collusion.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  206. this calls for a special counsel i think

    No, it calls for a president who actual has balls to tell Putin to stop lying.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  207. Pants on Fire for Putin.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  208. What… politifact again? No Snopes? What sort of socialist symp are you?

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  209. NeverTrump/Democrat/Journolist/0bama Fan Club meltdown can be used to heat teh s’mores!

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  210. What… politifact again? No Snopes? What sort of socialist symp are you?

    Ad hom again, used I suspect to ignore the underlying facts and talk about something else. But here are the facts.

    We found $17,700 donated to Clinton and another $297,000 to the Democratic National Committee.

    Putin lied by orders of magnitude.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  211. You are gullible to a fault, Paul.

    Colonel Haiku (5fd258)

  212. DCSCA @209. Fair enough. The question remains:

    When confronted I expect Putin will do so with a twinkle in his eyes while thinking, “so what are you gonna do about it?”

    Trump played with fire today and got burned. Calling Putin out and telling him to stop it didn’t work when Obama did it. It’s not clear that hearing it again from Trump today would have been any different. Refusing to attack him in public as Trump did clearly didn’t work either so what are we gonna do about it?

    Saying dumb stuff today is nobody’s fault but Trump’s however the neverending untouchable Mueller investigation that may or may not be targeting Trump for “colluding” with Russians to harm HRC and the democrats in the ’16 election is harming America’s foreign policy. The spying will continue whether we hear about it or not.

    crazy (5c5b07)


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